President Rips GOP on Foreign Policy: 'Ask Osama Bin Laden'... BOOM!!!

[Benny B]

A bitter PEA BRAIN resorts to his usual bag of photo-shopped pics when he has nothing to say. What a surprise! 

[Shockwave]

Obama also made the call to kill the Somali pirates after they kidnapped the U.S. captain on his ship.

The repubes always try to play the "we're the tough guys" card in presidential elections. This time, they will lose.  

As opposed to what?
Yeah he made the right call, but all that says is that he can give the OK to shoot someone who is holding American prisoners. What other call did he have? He really didnt have any other call.

And more importantly, how does that say anything about where he stands on foreign policy?
Foreign policy doesnt mean how you deal with someone who's hijacked a freighter and taken americans prisoner, it means how do you deal with the other countries of the world.

And IMHO, he fails. And he knows it. Otherwise he would have actually talked about his successes in foreign policy, and not just deflected to something that doesnt have anything to do with how he deals with the rest of the world (Osama Bin Laden being killed)

[doozejooze]

You don't just take over a chair and Bush does not get credit for the kill. When someone takes over things change. The decision making skill sets brought to the "chair" changes how information is received and acted on. Ubama gets credit for the kills no matter what. If u like him or not he called "go" and demanded things that Bush did not. I am Republican BTW and thought Bush could have done.better. Bush was the best Homeland Security Director in our country's history.

[Soul Crusher]

You don't just take over a chair and Bush does not get credit for the kill. When someone takes over things change. The decision making skill sets brought to the "chair" changes how information is received and acted on. Ubama gets credit for the kills no matter what. If u like him or not he called "go" and demanded things that Bush did not. I am Republican BTW and thought Bush could have done.better. Bush was the best Homeland Security Director in our country's history.

By your analogy - it is perfectly correct to blame obama for the miserable economy correct? 

[Shockwave]

No one said Bush gets the credit.
He needs to focus on the FACTS of his foreign policy, not just deflect onto things that other agencies have been handling for 2 administrations. Obama's foreign policy is supposed to be his stand on how we interact/deal with other countries, not that he gave the ok for Ops to kill men that have been being hunted by American Agencies for years before he came into office.

Yes things change, but he did not change shit as far as the FBI, CIA, and Military manhunts for those high value targets, he let them do their job, and then said "ok" when they asked permission to take out said high value targets. He didnt tell them what to do, he didnt set them on their path, he didnt do shit that led to the aquiring and termination of said targets. Neither he nor Bush should get credit, the agencies should.

And he sure as shit shouldnt try and pawn it off as his stand on foreign policy, when it has NOTHING to do with it.

[240 is Back]

33, i just realized i'm having a debate with someone who doesn't think putting chopper and seals into foreign military base neighborhoods to kill their civilians has anything to do with foreign policy.

WTF am I doing?  lmao...

[Soul Crusher]

33, i just realized i'm having a debate with someone who doesn't think putting chopper and seals into foreign military base neighborhoods to kill their civilians has anything to do with foreign policy.

WTF am I doing?  lmao...

Did you even read how it came about that they were able to locate OBL? 

[240 is Back]

Did you even read how it came about that they were able to locate OBL? 

if OBL would have been out grocery shopping at the time -

and we had invaded their airspace, killed their civilians, scared his wife and kids, and he wasn't home...

Then Obama would have had a huge "FOREIGN POLICY" problem on his hands.  Make sense? 

[Soul Crusher]

if OBL would have been out grocery shopping at the time -

and we had invaded their airspace, killed their civilians, scared his wife and kids, and he wasn't home...

Then Obama would have had a huge "FOREIGN POLICY" problem on his hands.  Make sense? 

We already have a huge foregin policy mess on our hands with the killing of 24 paki soldiers by NATO you moron! 


Damn - you are so desperate to give daily BJ's to obama you completely ignore reality.   

[Shockwave]

if OBL would have been out grocery shopping at the time -

and we had invaded their airspace, killed their civilians, scared his wife and kids, and he wasn't home...

Then Obama would have had a huge "FOREIGN POLICY" problem on his hands.  Make sense? 

Yes, but thats not what Obama was saying.
He was trying to say that his killing of OBL somehow explained to us his stance on foreign policy, which it doesnt.
1 decision to sent choppers into a sovereign country after the most wanted man in the US, does not make up for an entire term of groveling to other countries. Not to mention his little talk with SA after he talks about how we need to decrease dependence on foreign oil, only to refuse to let us drill here, and then go to South America and tell them that were looking forward to being there biggest customer.

WTF?

Dude is soft on foreign policy, plain and simple. If it came out that he had the ability to go after OBL and DIDNT send in the SEALS, the public would have had his head on a stick.

Therefore, IMHO its not a good indicator of his foreign policy. His hands were pretty much tied.

[xpac2]

Here's a picture for you

This is you btw

[240 is Back]

We already have a huge foregin policy mess on our hands with the killing of 24 paki soldiers by NATO you moron!  

Damn - you are so desperate to give daily BJ's to obama you completely ignore reality.  

nah, i've said obama belongs in prison.  not sure how you call taht kneepadding  

You said killing anyone in the world in any place has nothing to do with foreign policy.

I contend that it is a very huge part of our foreign policy.

It's impossible for us to debate anything when we have such different definitions.  

[Soul Crusher]

nah, i've said obama belongs in prison.  not sure how you call taht kneepadding  

You said killing anyone in the world in any place has nothing to do with foreign policy.

I contend that it is a very huge part of our foreign policy.

It's impossible for us to debate anything when we have such different definitions.  

By your definition - is Fast n Furious foreign policy? 

[Shockwave]

nah, i've said obama belongs in prison.  not sure how you call taht kneepadding  

You said killing anyone in the world in any place has nothing to do with foreign policy.

I contend that it is a very huge part of our foreign policy.

It's impossible for us to debate anything when we have such different definitions.  

240 - I know you play devils advocate a lot, but what do you think of this?

If it came out that he had the ability to go after OBL and DIDNT send in the SEALS, the public would have had his head on a stick.

Therefore, IMHO its not a good indicator of his foreign policy. His hands were pretty much tied

[whork]

Bush on watch the economy= A failure
Obama on watch the economy= A failure

Bush on watch the killing of OBL and his commanders= Not fucking great
Obama on watch the killing of OBL and his commanders= Pretty fucking great

So Neocons and liberals both fuck up the economy but Obama at least know how to kick ass

[doozejooze]

Bush getting alot of the credit is a Coach thing. Doesn't make sense. And absolutely Obama gets a huge chunk of blame for the bad economic decisions from his inauguration on. He has not done well IMO. Sad to say.

[whork]

As opposed to what?
Yeah he made the right call, but all that says is that he can give the OK to shoot someone who is holding American prisoners. What other call did he have? He really didnt have any other call.

And more importantly, how does that say anything about where he stands on foreign policy?
Foreign policy doesnt mean how you deal with someone who's hijacked a freighter and taken americans prisoner, it means how do you deal with the other countries of the world.

And IMHO, he fails. And he knows it. Otherwise he would have actually talked about his successes in foreign policy, and not just deflected to something that doesnt have anything to do with how he deals with the rest of the world (Osama Bin Laden being killed)

If you get your ass out of the US you will find Obama has WAY more support than Bush

[Shockwave]

If you get your ass out of the US you will find Obama has WAY more support than Bush

Of course, because he went on world tour groveling to them. What would you expect?
And I dont give a damn about Bush, he's the past, only fucking idiots would keep trying to make Obama's actions justifiable by comparing to Bush, theyre fucking failures.

We dont have to flip off the rest of the world ala Bush, and we dont have to go groveling at their feet ala Obama. A happy medium would be nice.

[doozejooze]

Of course, because he went on world tour groveling to them. What would you expect?
And I dont give a damn about Bush, he's the past, only fucking idiots would keep trying to make Obama's actions justifiable by comparing to Bush, theyre fucking failures.

We dont have to flip off the rest of the world ala Bush, and we dont have to go groveling at their feet ala Obama. A happy medium would be nice.

Agree 100% with this post. Well said

[whork]

Of course, because he went on world tour groveling to them. What would you expect?
And I dont give a damn about Bush, he's the past, only fucking idiots would keep trying to make Obama's actions justifiable by comparing to Bush, theyre fucking failures.

We dont have to flip off the rest of the world ala Bush, and we dont have to go groveling at their feet ala Obama. A happy medium would be nice.

Bush is history. You said foreign policy was about relations to other countries and that's improved during Obamas presidency

[MCWAY]

So another screwy thread from Benny gets moved here.

Did the #1 contender for the vacated Obama Girl slot bother to ask himself why Obama's approval rating DROPPED to the 30s, mere months after Bin Laden got shot?

[Soul Crusher]

Benny - I will make you a deal - I will give Obama 100% credit for Osama.   In return you give Obama 100% credit for the present economy? 


Deal? 

[Shockwave]

Bush is history. You said foreign policy was about relations to other countries and that's improved during Obamas presidency

No it hasnt. Other countries are happier yes, because Obama grovels at there feet.
Trying to say that other countries attitudes towards us = success of foreign policy is stupid.

Look at it this way, if you sucked up to someone all the time, theyre going to like you. That doesnt mean you have a good relationship with them, it just means that they like the fact that you are subserviant to them.

Bush has nothing to do with anything, which is why it was retarded of you to bring him up. Youre trying to claim that Obama's foreign policy is good because Bush's was bad, thats false logic, both of their foreign policies suck ass. You cant claim Obamas is good just other countries like Obama more than they like bush, that is fucking retarded.

You wouldnt say your happy with your car getting 10 miles to the gallon because your old one got 9, would you? No, youd be pissed you traded one gas guzzler for another. So do yourself a favor and stop comaring Obama to Bush, hes gone, they both suck.

[whork]

No it hasnt. Other countries are happier yes, because Obama grovels at there feet.
Trying to say that other countries attitudes towards us = success of foreign policy is stupid.
Look at it this way, if you sucked up to someone all the time, theyre going to like you. That doesnt mean you have a good relationship with them, it just means that they like the fact that you are subserviant to them.
Bush has nothing to do with anything, which is why it was retarded of you to bring him up. Youre trying to claim that Obama's foreign policy is good because Bush's was bad, thats false logic, both of their foreign policies suck ass. You cant claim Obamas is good just other countries like Obama more than they like bush, that is fucking retarded.
You wouldnt say your happy with your car getting 10 miles to the gallon because your old one got 9, would you? No, youd be pissed you traded one gas guzzler for another. So do yourself a favor and stop comaring Obama to Bush, hes gone, they both suck.

So Obama having made the countries around us happier and killing the nr. one enemy(s) of our nation is NOT succefull foreign policy
What is your definition then?

[240 is Back]

By your definition - is Fast n Furious foreign policy? 

it most definitely involves our forieng policy, which has been for decades to allow/fund/facilitate a border war.

it's part of our foreign policy.  fo sho.