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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/new-york-gun-control-deal-cuomo_n_2472275.html?1358180884&icid=maing-grid7
ALBANY, N.Y. — A key New York Senate leader and the Assembly speaker said they expect the state Legislature to vote Monday to enact what would be the nation's first gun control measure following last month's Connecticut school shooting.
"I think when all is said and done, we are going to pass a comprehensive gun bill today," Sen. Jeffrey Klein told reporters Monday morning. "I'm very excited about it. I am very confident we are going to vote on a comprehensive bill that will be agreed on by the governor, the Senate and Assembly."
People familiar with closed-door negotiations told The Associated Press a tentative deal was struck over the weekend.
The tentative agreement would further restrict New York's ban on assault weapons, limit the size of magazines to seven bullets, down from the current 10, and enact more stringent background checks for sales. Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law to make it easier to confine people determined to be a threat to themselves or others.
Senate Republicans also have included a further crackdown on illegal gun trafficking into New York, the people said. Most New York City gun crimes involve weapons illegally brought into the state, state and city officials say.
The people spoke on condition of anonymity because the proposal had not been discussed among rank and file legislators. They say the tentative deal will be debated behind closed doors Monday in the Senate and the Democrat-led Assembly and could be sent to the floor for a vote Monday.
A Cuomo administration official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal was not final, said there was no agreement yet.
A vote Monday would come exactly one month after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver said the deal will include ways for schools to use state aid to better guard against shootings.
The vote also would require Cuomo to issue a "message of necessity" that would dispense with the three days of public review that bills are supposed to have under the state constitution. There was no immediate comment from Cuomo, who made these gun control provisions a keynote of his State of the State address on Wednesday.
"I think the message out there is clear after Newtown and to get us down this road as quickly as possible to basically eradicate assault weapons from our streets in New York as quickly as possible is something the people of our state want," Silver said. "It's an important thing to do. It is an emergency."
Silver said lawmakers continued into Monday settling the remaining issues of "how you do certain things in drafting it."
He said a registry of assault weapons will be created, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands. He said crimes using guns will get additional mandatory minimum sentences.
"The solution is to get those assault weapons off the street," Silver told reporters.
The closed-door meetings prompted about a dozen gun workers to travel more than two hours to Albany to protest the legislation they say could cost 300 to 700 jobs in the economically hard-hit Mohawk Valley.
"I have three small kids myself," said Jamie Rudall, a unionized worker who polishes shotgun receivers. "So I know what it means, the tragedy ... we need to look at ways to prevent that, rather than eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens."
"We don't want to get into the gun debate," said union organizer Frank "Rusty" Brown. "We're here about jobs."
Assemblyman Marc Butler, a Republican who represents the area, decried the closed-door meetings over the politically sensitive issue in by the Senate Republicans and the Democratic majority of the Assembly as "politics at its worst."
"This is on a fast track, they are going to shove it down our throats," Butler said. "They are about to step all over the Second Amendment in secret meetings."
The bill will be the first test of the new coalition in control of the state Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.
Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.
"It was always startling to me the vast cultural divide between New York City metropolitan view on gun control and most of the upstate communities," said Balboni, who represented part of Long Island for 10 years and was a Senate leader.
"Gun advocates see these incidents as almost cyclical and that in the wake of a national shooting incident, they have seen repeated calls for control," he said Monday. "They view it as a slippery slope to the banning and confiscation of weapons. Emotions run high and there will be tremendous pressure on all upstate legislators, Republicans and Democrats, to keep their base."
Also a concern is a major gun manufacturer in upstate New York.
Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve in Webster, N.Y., when two firefighters were slain responding to a fire. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.
Republican Assemblyman Marc Butler warned last week that a more restrictive assault weapon ban could cost the factory 300 jobs.
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Are they really going to lose a lot of jobs?
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7 round clips. crazy.
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7 round clips. crazy.
crazy?
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to make it easier to confine people
Gee, I didn't see that coming.
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Settle down. Nothing will really change.
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I am not surprised, they already banned Large Sodas in New York , soda pop is just as bad as gun pop in New York
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Are they really going to lose a lot of jobs?
Yes, there are still a lot of gun makers and subcontractors outside of the city. They'll leave. The Northeast is still big in the arms trade, but many are eyeing moving down south.
That magazine ban is silly, it's a big three round deduction.
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how many round are the fat pigs allowed to have in their guns???
either way i guess it does not matter ,they can just beat you to death once you give up and they put you in handcuffs
(http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Kelly-Thomas-Police-Beating.jpg)
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This does absolutely NOTHING other than to punish law abiding citizens who are now lumped in with a deranged lunatic.
Will the police officers of NY be limited to 7 rounds per magazine? NO
Will a reduction 10 rounds now to 7 from the original standard magazine of 30 make one iota of a difference? NO. Why? The asshole in CT had a full 20 minutes before police arrived , lets entertain he only carried 7 round magazines , he had 20 minutes to reload even with 7 round magazines. The death toll would have been the same.
You can buy preban 30/100 round magazines that were grandfathered in before the first ' assault weapons ban ' this law accomplishes NOTHING other than infringing on law abiding citizens rights
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325936253
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325811749
I agree with tougher mental health checks , that's a necessity but passing a arbitrary limit on the amount of ammo a magazine can hold does nothing it's fucking retarded
The magazine ban is unconstitutional and wont stand up in the SCOUTS
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I agree with tougher mental health checks ,
That's the only thing that should change .
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New York is a fucking garbage state. I have to wear nose plugs just to drive thru it.
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They really think they can stop/limit shootings by the mentally insane and the criminals with this?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed!
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this is treason and unconstitutional and a violation of new yorks citizens civil rights
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7 round clips. crazy.
Less than most handguns that kill way more people than A/R's.
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7 round clips. crazy.
you of all people should know - ITS NOT A CLIP ITS A FUCKING MAGAZINE. there are no clips used these days.
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you of all people should know - ITS NOT A CLIP ITS A FUCKING MAGAZINE. there are no clips used these days.
The detachable magazine is often controversially referred to as a clip or mag.
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you of all people should know - ITS NOT A CLIP ITS A FUCKING MAGAZINE. there are no clips used these days.
sorry, i feel annoyed when i say mag and people interpret it as a periodical.
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Fuck New York. Overrated shithole.
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you of all people should know - ITS NOT A CLIP ITS A FUCKING MAGAZINE. there are no clips used these days.
The fuck you talking about? There are many clips used today. ???
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Fuck New York. Overrated shithole.
Wiggs, mind your tongue :D :D. I live in NYC (born and raised)!
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Wiggs, mind your tongue :D :D. I live in NYC (born and raised)!
Well that explains everything.
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Well that explains everything.
Explains everything? Expand on this please ;D ;D
ps - I just posted the article. Do not kill the messenger!
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Explains everything? Expand on this please ;D ;D
The only people that I've ever met that applauded being stripped of their rights or having shit taken away from them were from NYC and California.
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The only people that I've ever met that applauded being stripped of their rights or having shit taken away from them were from NYC and California.
1) who said I was applauding this? As I said, I just posted the article. People can make what they want of it.
2) What other rights were taken away from people from NYC? (besides 16 oz soda drinks)
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1) who said I was applauding this? As I said, I just posted the article. People can make what they want of it.
2) What other rights were taken away from people from NYC? (besides 16 oz soda drinks)
Handguns. We also know how well that worked out. Patriot act after 9/11. Constantly talking about the need for over the top gun control. The soda's. Just off the top of my head.
And I'm pretty sure I've seen you voicing your support for new gun control laws. :D
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1) who said I was applauding this? As I said, I just posted the article. People can make what they want of it.
2) What other rights were taken away from people from NYC? (besides 16 oz soda drinks)
Trans Fats?
Handguns?
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Handguns. We also know how well that worked out. Patriot act after 9/11. Constantly talking about the need for over the top gun control. The soda's. Just off the top of my head.
And I'm pretty sure I've seen you voicing your support for new gun control laws. :D
Actually, I was just supporting gun laws to get on Chaos' nerves :)
My friend from NY owns a handgun. You may be talking about NYC with regard to handgun laws.
In fact, I have no stake in the gun control laws. My good friend owns 10 guns and I go target shooting with him.
However, I do think there should be laws that state that if you have children in the house, you need to lock your guns up, so your 6 year old cant accidentally shoot himself. Even my friend, who is PRO gun agrees with this.
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Trans Fats?
Handguns?
Trans fat was? Oh thats right. I think they made all fast food take trans fat out of their food. lol
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Trans fat was? Oh thats right. I think they made all fast food take trans fat out of their food. lol
As a libertarian, NYC is my worst nightmare... :o
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You may be talking about NYC with regard to handgun laws.
Indeed I was my friend.
The only people that I've ever met that applauded being stripped of their rights or having shit taken away from them were from NYC and California.
Generally when I see someone voicing support for gun control and it comes up that they're from NY, I just go ahead and assume they're from NYC, as it's usually a pretty safe assumption.
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As a libertarian, NYC is my worst nightmare... :o
I want my trans fat, and I want it now! Want to put trans fat on my lettuce.
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Indeed I was my friend.
Generally when I see someone voicing support for gun control and it comes up that they're from NY, I just go ahead and assume they're from NYC, as it's usually a pretty safe assumption.
Yes, NYC is INSANE with gun laws. Its almost impossible to get a gun in NYC. My friend lives in Long Island.
I do not own any guns, therefore my passion is not as strong as others. I do not want anyones right taken away. As I said, I think there should be laws how guns are stored, especially if someone has children in the house. Other than that, I think its A LOT of different factors that lead to violence, and not just one.
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Yes, NYC is INSANE with gun laws. Its almost impossible to get a gun in NYC. My friend lives in Long Island.
I do not own any guns, therefore my passion is not as strong as others. I do not want anyones right taken away. As I said, I think there should be laws how guns are stored, especially if someone has children in the house. Other than that, I think its A LOT of different factors that lead to violence, and not just one.
You are a rational man.
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I want my trans fat, and I want it now! Want to put trans fat on my lettuce.
I don't eat fast food or giant sodas, but I will defend to the death your right to consume them. ;D
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Yes, NYC is INSANE with gun laws. Its almost impossible to get a gun in NYC. My friend lives in Long Island.
I do not own any guns, therefore my passion is not as strong as others. I do not want anyones right taken away. As I said, I think there should be laws how guns are stored, especially if someone has children in the house. Other than that, I think its A LOT of different factors that lead to violence, and not just one.
Buy one from 333386 he has an arsenal at home, I think he lives in the Bronx
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You are a rational man.
haha, I try. I think people try and pinpoint one factor so they can push their agenda. Whether that taking away peoples guns, or the rights to play violent video games.
I think its like anything else. The more factors you throw into the equation, the more you increase the chance of something happening.
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I don't eat fast food or giant sodas, but I will defend to the death your right to consume them. ;D
I like giant sodas, and some Taco Bell :) But I do not like to over indulge.
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I like giant sodas, and some Taco Bell :) But I do not like to over indulge.
My vice is Chinese Food :-[
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Buy one from 333386 he has an arsenal at home, I think he lives in the Bronx
ha, so I hear! I mean, NYC is crazy with gun laws. Wonder how he got them. I am sure you could get guns in nyc, its just tough.
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1) who said I was applauding this? As I said, I just posted the article. People can make what they want of it.
2) What other rights were taken away from people from NYC? (besides 16 oz soda drinks)
It's a slow erosion. For instance, NYC is slowly moving toward a "Ring of Steel" surveillance monitoring of all the city streets. The Stop and Frisk policy is certain pretty invasive. They made mention a few weeks ago that they're looking into log the IP addresses of city dwellers that visit websites the city finds objectionable, etc.....
Also with this magazine ban, it may not look like much, but it will cause trouble for "regular" gun owners, a huge percentage of sporting handguns use magazines just slightly above 7 rounds. Many lever action hunting rifles built long before "assault weapons" have capacities beyond 7 rounds, etc.....
For instance, these little benign rifles would technically be illegal -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Marlin_Model_60_22LR.JPG).
These too -
(http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1866_yellowboy_carbine_lg.jpg).
etc.....,
etc......
And will it stop street crime?
Nope.
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It's a slow erosion. For instance, NYC is slowly moving toward a "Ring of Steel" surveillance monitoring of all the city streets. The Stop and Frisk policy is certain pretty invasive. They made mention a few weeks ago that they're looking into log the IP addresses of city dwellers that visit websites the city finds objectionable, etc.....
Also with this magazine ban, it may not look like much, but it will cause trouble for "regular" gun owners, a huge percentage of sporting handguns use magazines just slightly above 7 rounds. Many lever action hunting rifles built long before "assault weapons" have capacities beyond 7 rounds, etc.....
For instance, these little benign rifles would technically be illegal -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Marlin_Model_60_22LR.JPG).
These too -
(http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1866_yellowboy_carbine_lg.jpg).
etc.....,
etc......
And will it stop street crime?
Nope.
I hope people see where we're headed with all this.
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I hope people see where we're headed with all this.
I am going to put gun powder and trans fat on my lettuce, just to stick it to the Man! :D :D
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It's a slow erosion. For instance, NYC is slowly moving toward a "Ring of Steel" surveillance monitoring of all the city streets. The Stop and Frisk policy is certain pretty invasive. They made mention a few weeks ago that they're looking into log the IP addresses of city dwellers that visit websites the city finds objectionable, etc.....
Also with this magazine ban, it may not look like much, but it will cause trouble for "regular" gun owners, a huge percentage of sporting handguns use magazines just slightly above 7 rounds. Many lever action hunting rifles built long before "assault weapons" have capacities beyond 7 rounds, etc.....
For instance, these little benign rifles would technically be illegal -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Marlin_Model_60_22LR.JPG).
These too -
(http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1866_yellowboy_carbine_lg.jpg).
etc.....,
etc......
And will it stop street crime?
Nope.
As I said in the other thread, this is all about an agenda... People are only seeing the scary looking machine guns in their head, the reality of whats going on is lost on them.
Besides, if the government actually gave a fuck about firearm related murders, they'd be going after handguns, as they're the most easily concealable, account for the largest portion of firearm related violence, and are some of the easiest to procure.
You can kill just as many people with a handgun at close range as you can with an AR... plus you can tuck it in your belt. The Federal Government doesn't give a rats ass about firearms murders.
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I am going to put gun powder and trans fat on my lettuce, just to stick it to the Man! :D :D
You and me both! ;D
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NYC = Geat Britain
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NYC = Geat Britain
Can we start talking like them, too? Always digged their accents.
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The fuck you talking about? There are many clips used today. ???
paper clips maybe.
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7 round clips. crazy.
That means 7 round clips for good guys, who play it by the rules. Bank robbers, gangsters and all pieces of criminal shit will still use AK-47 with 100 round clips. Hallelujah, we save the world..
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Pretty sums it up. Again, rich people protecting themselves and preventing poorer people from doing so, fearing the nearing global economic collapse. Better to disarm populations before it happens, so they can stay on top paying for their security while the poors are left to die in the hands of the scum of mankind.