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Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« on: August 27, 2016, 09:51:13 AM »
'Single currency experiment has been a disaster' admits Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz in The Euro

By Liam Halligan

"Europe, the source of the Enlightenment, the birthplace of modern science, is in crisis.” So says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Prize-winning economist and sometime chairman of President Bill Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisors.

“Large parts of Europe” have endured “a lost decade”; incomes per head are “lower than before the [2008] global financial crisis”. While Germany is doing “relatively well”, there’s “soaring youth unemployment” in France, Italy and Spain. “In a well-functioning economy, there’s rapid growth, the benefits of which are shared widely,” Stiglitz writes, but “in Europe we see the opposite”.

So what, he asks, is the “big policy problem”, Europe’s “one underlying mistake”? To some, his conclusion may be surprising. For Stiglitz points his finger squarely at “the fatal decision to adopt a single currency, without first providing the institutions to make it work”.

In his highly readable The Euro: How a Common Currency Threatens the Future of Europe, Stiglitz judges this 17-year-old monetary experiment “an economic and political disaster”. “Flawed at birth,” he argues, the “structure of the euro is to blame for the poor performance of Europe, its successive crises and increased inequality.” Far from promoting European prosperity, peace or influence, it has “tied together” countries with vastly different economic and social backgrounds, denying them the vital ability to manipulate their exchange and interest rates.

Stiglitz explains how the dollar operates smoothly across America’s 50 economically diverse states, noting “important adjustment mechanisms” such as large interstate tax and benefit transfers, and the common language, which helps workers find employment in different states. The euro, on the other hand, “was created in a way that sowed the seeds of its own destruction”.

Taking the side of smaller countries like Portugal and Greece, Stiglitz says it’s “impossible” for such nations to thrive under the euro, given “neoliberal, market-driven policies” emanating from Berlin and Brussels. “Germany and others have sought to blame the victims,” he says, “countries that have suffered due to the flawed structure of the eurozone.” Of the ongoing battle between Greece and its eurozone creditors, Stiglitz describes the decision to force Athens to rein in its deficit by increasing taxes and cutting spending as “wrong, destructive and almost unbelievably narrow-minded”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/single-currency-experiment-has-been-a-disaster-admits-nobel-priz/

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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2016, 09:56:54 AM »

Pretty much yes.
Finland has done pretty good though compared to underdeveloped southern Europe to whom the Euro has been literally disastrous. And continues to be... absolutely amazing unemployment figures from Spain, Greece, Italy...

But even we have been left behind Sweden (which doesn't belong to Euro-group) during the past decade and a half.



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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2016, 09:58:26 AM »
Everything got more expensive - I vividly remember the propaganda in the 90ies where "they" showed that flour, eggs, milk and even meat would get a little bit cheaper.
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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2016, 10:05:11 AM »
Euro, or even EU as a whole, is not sustainable in its current form.

There are few productive, developed countries which have the burden of feeding Baltic shitholes, Rumania which still resembles more a dungheap than European country, Poland and of course the aforementioned southern Europe.

I support EU in form of a economic league of developed, stable societies. Have Germany, Nordics, Holland, Austria, even France, UK (although they just decided to leave).

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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2016, 08:05:55 PM »
Yes it's a complete fucking disaster.    Monetarily AND socially.
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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2016, 11:47:53 PM »
Ofcourse. Ethnic dilution of epic proportions. Disaster for former white northern countries. Only downhill from here.

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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2016, 12:20:08 AM »
There's no doubt about it, it has failed.
It was a pipedream, always was, you don't need to be a genius to see that its inception was rooted in misguided liberalism.  It made false assumptions about the value of each member state and what they could bring to the table.

Europe may be small geographically, but the people that make it up vary tremendously in attitude, culture and work ethic etc. It's like an awful pick and mix of socialist values interspersed with capitalism which by their very principles do not and cannot blend well at all - the economy particularly suffers.

You only have to look at the frequency of bailouts.

Now add mass migration from Africa and the Middle East (which the liberal media plays down) and you'll see why myself and others with half a brain cell are massively concerned.

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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2016, 04:37:06 AM »
Money is worth nothing anymore.
If you compare what you get in return for the money before the EURO and afterwards... :/
Everything got more expensive while wages declined.

We also call it the TEURO.
Coming from "teuer", the german word for expensive.
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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2016, 05:10:15 AM »
Here in Portugal was the worst thing that ever happen to us economicaly, besides the fascism years and the 2nd world war.. How i miss our old coin... :'(

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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2016, 06:36:55 AM »
I remember in the beginning the European tourist coming to Manhattan laughing at how cheap everything was. They are not laughing now. 

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Re: Has The Euro Been a Disaster?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2016, 07:03:49 AM »
I remember in the beginning the European tourist coming to Manhattan laughing at how cheap everything was. They are not laughing now. 

The fact that most of Europe is more expensive than Manhattan is really saying something.