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Is it bizarre that people from other countries around the world are going nuts on getbig about us exercising our right to keep and bear arms?
They've been disarmed by their government, and they resent the fact that we still exercise individual sovereignty?
Your chance of being a victim of gun violence in the United States is extremely remote (.003 percent), much less if you factor in criminals killing each other which extremely skews that figure.
You have a much better chance of being killed in a car accident.
Outside the United States you have zero chance of being killed by an American bearing arms, so why are they going berserk?
I find it bizarre.
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Agreed. That's why I posted in El Diablo's thread earlier.
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Agreed. That's why I posted in El Diablo's thread earlier.
I saw that, very good! ;D
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I saw that, very good! ;D
Dude, I live in this fucking country. idiot.
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Dude, I live in this fucking country. idiot.
What country? idiot
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you never know the power of political correctness till you are confronted to it.
hope this helps.
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Outside the United States you have zero chance of being killed by an American bearing arms, so why are they going berserk?
HAHAH ;D ;D
Shut the fuk up already !!
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HAHAH ;D ;D
Shut the fuk up already !!
I also lol'd.
Unless, of course, you live in a middle eastern country. Then you chance of being killed by an armed American goes up slightly.
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I think it displays, among other things, a complete lack of understanding of the culture and history of the United States.
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They've been disarmed by their government, and they resent the fact that we still exercise individual sovereignty?
I the UK, the cultural differences and history regarding firearms are so diametrically different to the USA, that we simply don't understand this aspect of your nation. It's certainly not resentment about exercising individual sovereignty.
The average Briton has no interest in firearms, has never held a gun, couldn't identify different firearms and certainly wouldn't know where to get one. Outside of Urban London, there is no fear of "home invasion" involving firearms, The majority of the police force don't carry guns etc.....
I'm not outraged or calling for a ban on anything. But try to put yourself in the shoes of a Euro. with almost zero exposure to firearms, surely you can understand why people are shocked and suprised to find out that a middle aged mother in a sleepy town has a cabinet full of firearms...It's so completely to us and that's why I don't comment.
I don't believe in making bold statements about banning things unless you're entrenched in a culture and fully understand the history.
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I think it displays, among other things, a complete lack of understanding of the culture and history of the United States.
Culture? :-\
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I the UK, the cultural differences and history regarding firearms are so diametrically different to the USA, that we simply don't understand this aspect of your nation. It's certainly not resentment about exercising individual sovereignty.
The average Briton has no interest in firearms, has never held a gun, couldn't identify different firearms and certainly wouldn't know where to get one. Outside of Urban London, there is no fear of "home invasion" involving firearms, The majority of the police force don't carry guns etc.....
I'm not outraged or calling for a ban on anything. But try to put yourself in the shoes of a Euro. with almost zero exposure to firearms, surely you can understand why people are shocked and suprised to find out that a middle aged mother in a sleepy town has a cabinet full of firearms...It's so completely to us and that's why I don't comment.
I don't believe in making bold statements about banning things unless you're entrenched in a culture and fully understand the history.
How do you guys usually commit suicide?
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How do you guys usually commit suicide?
Hanging or Drug related poisoning are at the top statistically.
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why would you want to bear arms
i would rather no one had guns
than be in the position of those poor parents
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How do you guys usually commit suicide?
(http://www.topito.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/suicide-astuces-600x600.jpg)
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I the UK, the cultural differences and history regarding firearms are so diametrically different to the USA, that we simply don't understand this aspect of your nation. It's certainly not resentment about exercising individual sovereignty.
The average Briton has no interest in firearms, has never held a gun, couldn't identify different firearms and certainly wouldn't know where to get one. Outside of Urban London, there is no fear of "home invasion" involving firearms, The majority of the police force don't carry guns etc.....
I'm not outraged or calling for a ban on anything. But try to put yourself in the shoes of a Euro. with almost zero exposure to firearms, surely you can understand why people are shocked and suprised to find out that a middle aged mother in a sleepy town has a cabinet full of firearms...It's so completely to us and that's why I don't comment.
I don't believe in making bold statements about banning things unless you're entrenched in a culture and fully understand the history.
Don't talk on behalf of the whole "euro community" though.
Out of civilized countries Finland has the most legal firearms / capita in the world (excluding Switzerland where everyone who has been in army has assault rifle). Followed by countries Sweden, Norway..
(http://i50.tinypic.com/35d98us.jpg)
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Don't talk on behalf of the whole "euro community" though.
Out of civilized countries Finland has the most legal firearms / capita in the world (excluding Switzerland where everyone who has been in army has assault rifle). Followed by countries Sweden, Norway..
Yea I'm totally ignorant to the real stats, I'm talking Western Europe, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Uk etc....
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Don't talk on behalf of the whole "euro community" though.
Out of civilized countries Finland has the most legal firearms / capita in the world (excluding Switzerland where everyone who has been in army has assault rifle). Followed by countries Sweden, Norway..
(http://i50.tinypic.com/35d98us.jpg)
Hmm... interesting. So when posters from the UK and the like complain that we need to be more like Europe, the reality is that the "Europe" they speak of is not nearly as unified in their gun laws as they'd like us to believe?
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how come swisse has so many guns and so little crime
i thought guns were to blaim for crime
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how come swisse has so many guns and so little crime
i thought guns were to blaim for crime
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Yup, take away guns and no one will commit violent crimes anymore!
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I like Americans, I really do, you guys make great movies, have great football but your thinking on guns is bizarre. There seems to be this underlying belief that if you can't have your AK's then the government is going to run amuck and the hillbillies that have stored their arsenals in the backwoods are somehow going to save the day. lol. You guys have all kinds of safegaurds to prevent a Syria from happening but suppose the government is going to somehow chip away at your fundamental rights then who among you are going to do anything about it? You think you are going to march into a government office with your guns drawn and demand change? 99.999999% of you won't do shit. And the one that does will go down in the annals of history as another Tim McVey.
About this school shooting, common sense in any land would dictate that no one needs an assault rifle, useless for hunting, useless for home defense but great for killing a lot of people real fast. But any mention of banning them will bring the full force of the NRA down on any politicain who supports such a call. So have at it my American friends, nothing will change, just get ready for another massacre, coming to your neighbourhood, real soon.
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Hmm... interesting. So when posters from the UK and the like complain that we need to be more like Europe, the reality is that the "Europe" they speak of is not nearly as unified in their gun laws as they'd like us to believe?
That's right.
IMO Europe is not unified in any sense - continent of different kind of countries with very different kind of histories... that's different subject though.
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needs an assault rifle, useless for hunting, useless for home defense but great for killing a lot of people real fast.
You are an idiot. Please refrain from speaking on this subject ever again, as it's quiet clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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You are an idiot. Please refrain from speaking on this subject ever again, as it's quiet clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.
You hunt with an assault rifle? Very sporting of you.
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You hunt with an assault rifle? Very sporting of you.
You have no idea what an assault rifle is. It is a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip. Yes, so much more lethal than any other semi-automatic hunting rifle.
Don't talk out of your ass. Assault Rifle =/= Fully automatic. The civilian models are still 1 round per trigger pull. Educate yourself.
This -
(http://molot.biz/product-e/vepr223-pioner.jpg)
And this -
(http://centerfiresystems.com/images/products/detail/AR-SOT-M4_A3-D.jpg)
Both fire the same round at the same speed. Explain to me why one is "sporting" to hunt with and the other itsn't?
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Is it bizarre that people from other countries around the world are going nuts on getbig about us exercising our right to keep and bear arms?
I think it's more bizarre that you would care what people other countries think about our rights and how we choose to exercise them.
They've been disarmed by their government, and they resent the fact that we still exercise individual sovereignty?
I've come to expect the silly generalizations and the "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" chants, but isn't it just bizarre that someone with the I.Q. of an overripe kumquat is using words like "they" and "we"?
Your chance of being a victim of gun violence in the United States is extremely remote (.003 percent), much less if you factor in criminals killing each other which extremely skews that figure.
Hooray for statistics! But wait... 0.003 percent? Really? You may want to crunch the numbers again there genius because you're off, by quite a bit.... The best statistics I could find put the odds at 1 out of 325, and that isn't 0.0003 percent; that's approximately 0.3% which is a long way off from 0.0003%.
You have a much better chance of being killed in a car accident.
That's certainly true: 1 out of 325 are a lot more favorable odds than 1 out of 100, which are the odds of dying as a result of dying in a car accident.
Outside the United States you have zero chance of being killed by an American bearing arms, so why are they going berserk?
REALLY? Whether the cause is just or not aside, do U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan not count as Americans bearing arms for the purposes of your calculations?
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REALLY? Whether the cause is just or not aside, do U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan not count as Americans bearing arms for the purposes of your calculations?
You're a little late to the party bro, I already made that joke.
I also lol'd.
Unless, of course, you live in a middle eastern country. Then you chance of being killed by an armed American goes up slightly.
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Is it bizarre that people from other countries around the world are going nuts on getbig about us exercising our right to keep and bear arms?
They've been disarmed by their government, and they resent the fact that we still exercise individual sovereignty?
Your chance of being a victim of gun violence in the United States is extremely remote (.003 percent), much less if you factor in criminals killing each other which extremely skews that figure.
You have a much better chance of being killed in a car accident.
Outside the United States you have zero chance of being killed by an American bearing arms, so why are they going berserk?
I find it bizarre.
I laugh at people who think the US has a lot of killers, it isn't even in the top 25 murder capitals of the world
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You have no idea what an assault rifle is. It is a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip. Yes, so much more lethal than any other semi-automatic hunting rifle.
Don't talk out of your ass. Assault Rifle =/= Fully automatic. The civilian models are still 1 round per trigger pull. Educate yourself.
This -
(http://molot.biz/product-e/vepr223-pioner.jpg)
And this -
(http://centerfiresystems.com/images/products/detail/AR-SOT-M4_A3-D.jpg)
Both fire the same round at the same speed. Explain to me why one is "sporting" to hunt with and the other itsn't?
When I hear assault rifle I think one that can fire multlple rounds real fast, hence the name "assault". You know what I was implying.
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When I hear assault rifle I think one that can fire multlple rounds real fast, hence the name "assault". You know what I was implying.
No, I did not, as Assault Rifle =/= fully automatic. That generally is referred to as a machine gun, which is not easy to aquire in the US. You can't buy a fully automatic weapon at your local wal mart. That seems to be a common misconception that the world has about us, any time they hear assault rifle they think that some dude is spraying rooms with automatic fire. It gets fucking old.
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You're a little late to the party bro, I already made that joke.
Actually I made it, though ;D
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Actually I made it, though ;D
Indeed my Finnish friend.
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You have no idea what an assault rifle is. It is a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip. Yes, so much more lethal than any other semi-automatic hunting rifle.
Don't talk out of your ass. Assault Rifle =/= Fully automatic. The civilian models are still 1 round per trigger pull. Educate yourself.
This -
(http://molot.biz/product-e/vepr223-pioner.jpg)
And this -
(http://centerfiresystems.com/images/products/detail/AR-SOT-M4_A3-D.jpg)
Both fire the same round at the same speed. Explain to me why one is "sporting" to hunt with and the other itsn't?
To be fair, I don't think either of those are particularly good for home-defense in the traditional "home-invasion" scenario. Shotgun and pistols are much better.
I won't wade into the "assault rifle" debacle. I think the term is kind of silly and, at best, murky. But I will add that while I support the Second Amendment and don't like the current legal mess that we have I am not necessarily opposed to common-sense gun regulations (such as continuing to limit who can own fully automatic weapons, and preventing convincted felons and those adjudicated as mentally ill from owning any kind of gun). I am not super-familiar with existing laws and regulations, so perhaps such limits are already in place, but if there aren't, I don't think it would be a bad idea to impose restrictions the acquisition of certain types of weapons by civilians outright.
For example, I don't think a GAU-17 or a GAU-8 should be readily available for purchase at your local gunstore, complete with SUV mounting kit. I'm sure that some may find this restrictive and argue that it violates the Second Amendment; we can have that debate, and I'm certainly open to being convinced otherwise. Someone may draw the line elsewhere, but I don't think that anyone will really disagree that there are at least some line: that certain kinds of weapons should not be widely available to civilians, and some that shouldn't be available at all.
I guess there is one line that everyone (at least I hope everyone) would agree shouldn't be crossed: civilians should not be allowed to own biological, chemical and/or nuclear weapons.
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To be fair, I don't think either of those are particularly good for home-defense in the traditional "home-invasion" scenario. Shotgun and pistols are much better.
I won't wade into the "assault rifle" debacle. I think the term is kind of silly and, at best, murky. But I will add that while I support the Second Amendment and don't like the current legal mess that we have I am not necessarily opposed to common-sense gun regulations (such as continuing to limit who can own automatic weapons, and preventing convincted felons and those adjudicated as mentally ill from owning any kind of gun). I am not super-familiar with existing laws and regulations, so perhaps such limits are already in place, but if there aren't, I don't think it would be a bad idea to impose restrictions the acquisition of certain weapons by civilians outright.
For example, I don't think a GAU-17 or a GAU-8 should be readily available for purchase at your local gunstore, complete with SUV mounting kit. I'm sure that some may find this restrictive and argue that it violates the Second Amendment; we can have that debate, and I'm certainly open to being convinced otherwise. Someone may draw the line elsewhere, but I don't think that anyone will really disagree that there are at least some kinds of weapons should not be widely available, and some that shouldn't be available at all. I guess there is one line that everyone (at least I hope everyone) would agree shouldn't be crossed: civilians should not be allowed to own biological, chemical and/or nuclear weapons.
Completely agree with you on all points except for the home invasion one. When the most elite military spec ops teams practice CQB (close quarters combat), they use short barreled M4 carbines set to semi-automatic. Good enough for them, good enough for me.
However, for your average person, a shotgun is probably preferable due to not having to be nearly as accurate.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98rklrRvN1r1cwiwo1_500.jpg)
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Haha, Shock teasing again :P
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Completely agree with you on all points except for the home invasion one. When the most elite military spec ops teams practice CQB (close quarters combat), they use short barreled M4 carbines set to semi-automatic. Good enough for them, good enough for me.
However, for your average person, a shotgun is probably preferable due to not having to be nearly as accurate.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98rklrRvN1r1cwiwo1_500.jpg)
Right... the average person isn't a highly-skilled elite special-ops member, who trains dozens of scenarios on a regular basis. I can tell you that I wouldn't feel comfortable with that beast of a weapon inside the close confines of a corridor or the staircase of my house but would feel much more comfortable with a shotgun. Ultimately, I just that think the shotgun is a lot more practical for the average joe and a lot cheaper to boot.
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No, I did not, as Assault Rifle =/= fully automatic. That generally is referred to as a machine gun, which is not easy to aquire in the US. You can't buy a fully automatic weapon at your local wal mart. That seems to be a common misconception that the world has about us, any time they hear assault rifle they think that some dude is spraying rooms with automatic fire. It gets fucking old.
Point taken. On a side note, about twenty years ago I accompanied an old girl friends father across the border to a gun show. He collected old ammunition (strange man). They did have fully automatic rifles and machine pistols for sale, no word of a lie. You're right, I am not a gun guy. that was my only exposure to guns.
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Point taken. On a side note, about twenty years ago I accompanied an old girl friends father across the border to a gun show. He collected old ammunition (strange man). They did have fully automatic rifles and machine pistols for sale, no word of a lie. You're right, I am not a gun guy. that was my only exposure to guns.
Oh, you can get them, you're absolutely right about that. However, to legally own them you have to have a special permit and license, and they're generally super expensive. Not something you can legally own super easily.
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Right... the average person isn't a highly-skilled elite special-ops member, who trains dozens of scenarios on a regular basis. I can tell you that I wouldn't feel comfortable with that beast of a weapon inside the close confines of a corridor or the staircase of my house but would feel much more comfortable with a shotgun. Ultimately, I just that think the shotgun is a lot more practical for the average joe and a lot cheaper to boot.
Fair enough, lol. You are correct, a short barreled shotgun is probably a lot more practical for your average homeowner. As I said earlier, much easier to hit your target for most people.
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Fair enough, lol. You are correct, a short barreled shotgun is probably a lot more practical for your average homeowner. As I said earlier, much easier to hit your target for most people.
arent shotguns more appropriate for some military operations than ASSAULT rifles?
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arent shotguns more appropriate for some military operations than ASSAULT rifles?
I'm not 100% sure, but most of the operators I knew said that they tended to use their M4's for almost everything (with various barrel lengths and different optics for different situations). And technically the M4 is a carbine rather than a traditional assault rifle, which tend to be much longer.
I know that shotguns can be used for breaching doors and that most typical military grunt units have some people carrying them.
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Haha, Shock teasing again :P
What do Russians use for home defense?
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What do Russians use for home defense?
Ak-47's with some vodka moltov cocktails? ;D
Besides, Mass is Finnish.
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I the UK, the cultural differences and history regarding firearms are so diametrically different to the USA, that we simply don't understand this aspect of your nation. It's certainly not resentment about exercising individual sovereignty.
The average Briton has no interest in firearms, has never held a gun, couldn't identify different firearms and certainly wouldn't know where to get one. Outside of Urban London, there is no fear of "home invasion" involving firearms, The majority of the police force don't carry guns etc.....
I'm not outraged or calling for a ban on anything. But try to put yourself in the shoes of a Euro. with almost zero exposure to firearms, surely you can understand why people are shocked and suprised to find out that a middle aged mother in a sleepy town has a cabinet full of firearms...It's so completely to us and that's why I don't comment.
I don't believe in making bold statements about banning things unless you're entrenched in a culture and fully understand the history.
Good post, I absulutly understand!
Just to clarify, I'm not sitting here (in the midwestern United States) scared shitless of a home invasion. My doors aren't locked right now, and I won't lock them till I go to bed.