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... and some just look at food and get fat.
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Interesting. Never heard about that isotope technique before.
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... and some just look at food and get fat.
I used to be and still kinda am the type that never gets fat. It would piss women at work off, to see me eating waffles, pancakes, bacon, eggs, egg Mcmuffins, subs, cookies, all that at work and not gain any weight. It would piss me off, that I wouldn't gain any weight as well.
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I used to be and still kinda am the type that never gets fat. It would piss women at work off, to see me eating waffles, pancakes, bacon, eggs, egg Mcmuffins, subs, cookies, all that at work and not gain any weight. It would piss me off, that I wouldn't gain any weight as well.
Did you watch the video?
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Did you watch the video?
1st few min., my iPhone battery is low...but I get the premise in the beginning, some people say they eat alot...
Let's just say I was a "piggy" at work, and they would call me vulture, because I would come around on the diff lunch shifts to eat what others didn't want. The local sub shops knew my name when I call in for for food, and my coworkers always wanted me to call food in, because it would come faster if i ordered
At home, it was the same. Now, it would be unwise for me to eat that much.
I will make a full comment after viewing the vid.
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1st few min., my iPhone battery is low...but I get the premise in the beginning, some people say they eat alot...
Let's just say I was a "piggy" at work, and they would call me vulture, because I would come around on the diff lunch shifts to eat what others didn't want. The local sub shops knew my name when I call in for for food, and my coworkers always wanted me to call food in, because it would come faster if i ordered
At home, it was the same. Now, it would be unwise for me to eat that much.
I will make a full comment after viewing the vid.
I had skinny friends say the same and they ate fuck all, just depends on each persons version of alot of food, I can gain 50 pounds of fat in 6 months just eating how my hunger takes me.You arnt a unique scientific phenomenon, you just grossly overestimated how many calories you were taking in.
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remember as well that fat people are liars
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remember as well that fat people are liars
Conversely so are skinny people who say they eat alot.
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Conversely so are skinny people who say they eat alot.
Have you really ever gained 50lbs of fat in 6 months?
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Have you really ever gained 50lbs of fat in 6 months?
Ive gained 40 in that amount without eating to my max, lost it even quicker though.
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Becky doesn't look 22 lbs underweight, she's OK in my book.
Where can I get that water? Is it a bunch of UK bullshit?
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Bull shit .
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Interesting, so basically what they are saying is that certain types of calories have quite a different effect on the body and how their metabo is effected.
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remember as well that fat people are liars
They smell to ;D
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Interesting, so basically what they are saying is that certain types of calories have quite a different effect on the body and how their metabo is effected.
And welcome back Jim :)
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It's funny how it works. When I was young I had to force feed myself 5 times a day eating fairly clean but would add cheese to pasta and eggs and would have peanut butter and cups of peanuts just for the extra calories. I hated it though, but during my summers in high school I'd put on a good 15-20 lbs during most of them. Once I'd start school I wouldn't eat as much and would usually lose about half of it. But the thing was, I was never hungry then and hated eating. I'd love to eat like that now but would get too fat and it's the total opposite. I don't want to gain bulk anymore but wish I could eat that same way while staying lean. Life sucks. lol
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And welcome back Jim :)
Thanks :)
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Thanks :)
good to have you back Jim.
What's your take on oysters and bodybuilding (lots of zinc, LDL...)? Just downed 56 slimy mofos at an all you can eat place... lots of tobasco. this will not end well tomorrow...
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good to have you back Jim.
What's your take on oysters and bodybuilding (lots of zinc, LDL...)? Just downed 56 slimy mofos at an all you can eat place... lots of tobasco. this will not end well tomorrow...
Thanks, pesonally I would never eat more than 47 at a time. Tabasco is OK as long as it has a ton of sodium. I use 1/2 cup per every 20 oysters.
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Thanks, pesonally I would never eat more than 47 at a time. Tabasco is OK as long as it has a ton of sodium. I use 1/2 cup per every 20 oysters.
Hey Jim, welcome back. As you can see nothing has changed.......I'm still a glutton for punishment :(
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Hey Jim, welcome back. As you can see nothing has changed.......I'm still a glutton for punishment :(
Haha thanks and yes I can see. It's kinda like missing 10 years of Days of Our Lives. 2 episodes in and you're all caught up. ;D
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Thanks, personally I would never eat more than 47 at a time. Tabasco is OK as long as it has a ton of sodium. I use 1/2 cup per every 20 oysters.
I'm actually serious about the eating part. I'm already regretting it. I can feel the peppers fighting with the horseradish and the shell fragments.
Haha thanks and yes I can see. It's kinda like missing 10 years of Days of Our Lives. 2 episodes in and you're all caught up. ;D
Did you hear that coach turned out to be my evil twin?
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Haha thanks and yes I can see. It's kinda like missing 10 years of Days of Our Lives. 2 episodes in and you're all caught up. ;D
As you probably already know, I won't be able to get you that autographed DVD from Sandy's movies. Jesse fucked that one up >:(
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All I know is that I can eat One small meal a day and be fine which sucks
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I had skinny friends say the same and they ate fuck all, just depends on each persons version of alot of food, I can gain 50 pounds of fat in 6 months just eating how my hunger takes me.You arnt a unique scientific phenomenon, you just grossly overestimated how many calories you were taking in.
From roughly 4 yrs ago.
Breakfast--- 2 eggs, two pieces of bacon or sausage, home fries (a lot), two huge pancakes (bigger than the clamshell it came in) all for 2.99.
or 2 eggs, two pieces of bacon or sausage, home fries, two slices of toast. 2.99
Or a Omlet and said bacon, sausage, homefries, and 2.99
15 minute break- Oatmeal, 2 packets of the instant with Whey protein stirred in. Sandwich as well (Grilled Chicken or beef).
Lunch @12:00pm- 2 Grilled Chicken Salad sandwiches and pasta. Fridays would be Sub day, this would consist of a two 8 inch subs ( a special), typically this would be cheese steak or chicken cheese steak, with hots and everything on it.
15 minute break- Another Chicken Salad sandwich with protein shake
Dinner, beef or chicken meal, with a bake potato and broccoli. I lived at home so, many times this would be mashed potatoes with with collared greens or spinach.
Whey shake or sandwich before going to the gym
9:00pm leave for gym.
That was typical. Sometimes I ate more. Like I would eat what people didn't want to eat, or a extra sub.
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True dat! Dont see too many elite distance runners who are fat. A calorie is a calorie.
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From roughly 4 yrs ago.
Breakfast--- 2 eggs, two pieces of bacon or sausage, home fries (a lot), two huge pancakes (bigger than the clamshell it came in) all for 2.99.
or 2 eggs, two pieces of bacon or sausage, home fries, two slices of toast. 2.99
Or a Omlet and said bacon, sausage, homefries, and 2.99
15 minute break- Oatmeal, 2 packets of the instant with Whey protein stirred in. Sandwich as well (Grilled Chicken or beef).
Lunch @12:00pm- 2 Grilled Chicken Salad sandwiches and pasta. Fridays would be Sub day, this would consist of a two 8 inch subs ( a special), typically this would be cheese steak or chicken cheese steak, with hots and everything on it.
15 minute break- Another Chicken Salad sandwich with protein shake
Dinner, beef or chicken meal, with a bake potato and broccoli. I lived at home so, many times this would be mashed potatoes with with collared greens or spinach.
Whey shake or sandwich before going to the gym
9:00pm leave for gym.
That was typical. Sometimes I ate more. Like I would eat what people didn't want to eat, or a extra sub.
That's not htat much, that's not even 4000 kcal I guess.
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lol :D
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That's not htat much, that's not even 4000 kcal I guess.
Its a lot more than you think. The breakfast alone was huge, due to the amound of home fries and the size of the sausage. The pancakes themselves most people couldn't eat, and if they did, they couldn't finish the rest. They bigger around than the clamshell carrying plate the meal came in. And they were a about a inch thick. The cook was/is a power lifter, so everything that he cooked was supersized. But do realize that for 2.99, that a person could get a meal like that? It was a dream come true!
Two 8 inch cheesesteak or chicken cheesesteak subs with everything on it including hots, is a lot of calories. Especially when the steak or chicken is literally falling out. But what it was was unhealthy, including the breakfast, the cholesterol levels itself were off the chain.
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Hey Parker, How active were you at this time? I could be wrong, but Im guessing that you didn't spend too much time sitting on your ass :)
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Interesting, so basically what they are saying is that certain types of calories have quite a different effect on the body and how their metabo is effected.
The point of the video was that the fat one was eating a ton more, that's why she got fat.
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Different types of calories have different effects upon the body, but these effects are very slight. A calorie IS a calorie.
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They were only examining body weight of course, for body composition macros do have an effect.
And they also say that different macros may have effect on satiety.
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The point of the video was that the fat one was eating a ton more, that's why she got fat.
yawn not you again ::)
mothafucka calls himself austrian and speeks pefect english with slang lol
try harder adonis :D
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Hey Parker, How active were you at this time? I could be wrong, but Im guessing that you didn't spend too much time sitting on your ass :)
I worked in a office, I was one of those, I can't sit at my desk types, so I was always walking around. but I did very lil cardio, foolishly thinking "my high motab would take care of it", I wasn't a fat ass by any means and I was sorta correct, I flucuated between 175-185. I spent a max of 1 hour in the gym, sometimes 45 minutes. I was quick with my workouts...
I would piss off the women at work, because I wasn't "getting fat". After reviewing the vid I think there is some validity to it. But, I turned them on the breakfasts, and they got fat.
But, as I said, that breakfast was laden with fat and cholesterol. And no joke in putting your ass to due to it being a heavy meal.
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yawn not you again ::)
mothafucka calls himself austrian and speeks pefect english with slang lol
try harder adonis :D
::)
I look better natty with only 1 week of lifting than you juiced to the max, bitch. :D
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/03/18099922/gallerypic/3515041.jpg)
post up a pic and own me
wadayasay? ;)
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Yeah man, I know what you're saying "about pissing the women off" with your antics. Case in point, when I was in prime condition at roughly 6% bodyfat, I would purposely wolf down a Wendy's triple cheeseburger right in front of the front desk cutie at my gym. Whew! What a d¡ckhead that I was.
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I look better natty with only 1 week of lifting than you juiced to the max, bitch. :D
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/03/18099922/gallerypic/3515041.jpg)
post up a pic and own me
wadayasay? ;)
:D :D :D :D :D
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I look better natty with only 1 week of lifting than you juiced to the max, bitch. :D
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/03/18099922/gallerypic/3515041.jpg)
post up a pic and own me
wadayasay? ;)
That's not Method101
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:D :D :D :D :D
That's not Method101
;D
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Yeah man, I know what you're saying "about pissing the women off" with your antics. Case in point, when I was in prime condition at roughly 6% bodyfat, I would purposely wolf down a Wendy's triple cheeseburger right in front of the front desk cutie at my gym. Whew! What a d¡ckhead that I was.
I was dealing with very "planted" women to put it politely, who waddled when they walked. Wendy's was my shit right there. Grab 7 boxes of the 99 chicken nuggets (at the time) a chicken club Sandwich and that triple you mentioned with a milkshake, that was heaven on earth.
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that picture taken yesterday... I have eaten whatever i want, only taking care that I get 200g plus protein a day... other than that it's pasta/pizza/icecream/candy/alcohol.... and... and haven't done any cardio in 5 months now prior to this day.
people allways say "eat more" wtf, how much do i have to eat, my bones won't suddenly grow as yo might think ::)
notice the TITLE NAME!!! So fuck off you dumb asses :P!! just want to give u an example that some poeple DO NOT become fat... my problem is, I'm a twink all abs.
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I'm curious, how active are you? It doesn't have to be formal cardio, if you sit around on your ass all day and don't train often or more than 20 min at a time, then yes I would be shocked.
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well you would get fat if you ate more.
looking good BTW.
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... and some just look at food and get fat.
That's because a calorie is not a calorie.
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well YEAH :P, I do train very hard... I am very active... maby that's the reason- training too much. Now I train 1.chest&bis, 2. legs&calves, 3. triceps&abs, 4. shoulders/traps, 5.back&rear delts&calves, 6. - 7. rest (maby abs)
maby i still do too many sets... or... maby I just, like u said, eat too little. i rly think I do eat enough... atleast carbs and protein...
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that picture taken yesterday... I have eaten whatever i want, only taking care that I get 200g plus protein a day... other than that it's pasta/pizza/icecream/candy/alcohol.... and... and haven't done any cardio in 5 months now prior to this day.
people allways say "eat more" wtf, how much do i have to eat, my bones won't suddenly grow as yo might think ::)
notice the TITLE NAME!!! So fuck off you dumb asses :P!! just want to give u an example that some poeple DO NOT become fat... my problem is, I'm a twink all abs.
How old are you? You look young. It'll catch up, don't worry.
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that picture taken yesterday... I have eaten whatever i want, only taking care that I get 200g plus protein a day... other than that it's pasta/pizza/icecream/candy/alcohol.... and... and haven't done any cardio in 5 months now prior to this day.
people allways say "eat more" wtf, how much do i have to eat, my bones won't suddenly grow as yo might think ::)
notice the TITLE NAME!!! So fuck off you dumb asses :P!! just want to give u an example that some poeple DO NOT become fat... my problem is, I'm a twink all abs.
you look good. You are 19, correct. At that age I had a similar face, but when I stated eating more potatoes (carve) I'd get "bulk" or "fat" face....
Damn, remember those days...
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you look good. You are 19, correct. At that age I had a similar face, but when I stated eating more potatoes (carve) I'd get "bulk" or "fat" face....
Damn, remember those days...
Oh, he's only 19 lol Having abs and being able to eat what you want at that age isn't something to brag about. If he turns 30 and keeps that look while eating shit, then he can brag lol
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you look good. You are 19, correct. At that age I had a similar face, but when I stated eating more potatoes (carve) I'd get "bulk" or "fat" face....
Damn, remember those days...
You looked like a white dude when you were 19?
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You looked like a white dude when you were 19?
Ha, no, I had similar jawline, and the slight sucked in look from the cheekbones down to the chin. People can tell now if I'm eating well, if I don't look like that.
On various different college IDs I had diff looks, the fatface, the Runaway Slave, and the "I just had food poisoning, and lost the bloat from creatine, so my face is defined" look.
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Damn! This thread is kinda inspiring me :) My whole point is that one can eat whatever the fuck they want and get and stay lean if they are active enough. But how's that saying go? Oh, that's right. Actions speak louder than words. So I suppose that I should act :> P.S. I'm well into my 30s, but that's no problem, because universal laws are absolute. For example 2+2=4, and it doesn't matter what the man with 20 inch arms says ;>
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you look good. You are 19, correct. At that age I had a similar face, but when I stated eating more potatoes (carve) I'd get "bulk" or "fat" face....
Damn, remember those days...
Naw, man, I'm the same as xerxes in my early 20's :P
but there's so many people who are like me, except they are flaby... know what I'm saying, like they are very skinny, but they don't have much striations or cuts, allways seem to have that softbelly and everything... It's easyer for me to have this bf due to my structure, I'm rly not afraid to eat trust me :P I eat alot. But I do train alot also, to the limit.
Damn! This thread is kinda inspiring me :) My whole point is that one can eat whatever the fuck they want and get and stay lean if they are active enough. But how's that saying go? Oh, that's right. Actions speak louder than words. So I suppose that I should act :> P.S. I'm well into my 30s, but that's no problem, because universal laws are absolute. For example 2+2=4, and it doesn't matter what the man with 20 inch arms says ;>
people in my gym say that; "when u come old like me..."... but the truth is, they half ass in training, they have their "time spending with kids" and all that crap, sometimes months off... it's absurd to say that the age is the only difference if you live like that.
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Damn! This thread is kinda inspiring me :) My whole point is that one can eat whatever the fuck they want and get and stay lean if they are active enough. But how's that saying go? Oh, that's right. Actions speak louder than words. So I suppose that I should act :> P.S. I'm well into my 30s, but that's no problem, because universal laws are absolute. For example 2+2=4, and it doesn't matter what the man with 20 inch arms says ;>
I saw this inmate one time, dude was ripped the hell up and big, he didn't eat scheduled meals, and most what he ate was fast food or if lucky a woman cooked him a meal. But he worked out religiously, he was in his late 30s to early 40s. Looked like a deisel version of Bob Marley with light eyes, like the blakc dude that was on CSI Miami.
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I saw this inmate one time, dude was ripped the hell up and big, he didn't eat scheduled meals, and most what he ate was fast food or if lucky a woman cooked him a meal. But he worked out religiously, he was in his late 30s to early 40s. Looked like a deisel version of Bob Marley with light eyes, like the blakc dude that was on CSI Miami.
exactly... like batman said; "It's not who I am, it's what I do that defines me", or something in those lines.
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I'm gonna roll a fat joint, eat icecream and play counterstrike.
I'm filling in for Big Dicked Bobs on sick leave PTPS and roll bro
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I'm gonna roll a fat joint, eat icecream and play counterstrike.
I'm alcoholic semen thrower.... what's your gamer tag :-*
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Naw, man, I'm the same as xerxes in my early 20's :P
but there's so many people who are like me, except they are flaby... know what I'm saying, like they are very skinny, but they don't have much striations or cuts, allways seem to have that softbelly and everything... It's easyer for me to have this bf due to my structure, I'm rly not afraid to eat trust me :P I eat alot. But I do train alot also, to the limit.
people in my gym say that; "when u come old like me..."... but the truth is, they half ass in training, they have their "time spending with kids" and all that crap, sometimes months off... it's absurd to say that the age is the only difference if you live like that.
They're basically right though. Not only will your metabolism most likely slow down as you get older, but there's a good chance your priorities will shift. Married, kids career and next thing you know you only have a 2 pack and training 2-3 times a week, if at all.
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They're basically right though. Not only will your metabolism most likely slow down as you get older, but there's a good chance your priorities will shift. Married, kids career and next thing you know you only have a 2 pack and training 2-3 times a week, if at all.
BASICLy, yes... but... lets not get over the top.
btw xerx, I actually play quakewars... :P
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How old are you? You look young. It'll catch up, don't worry.
huh...bullshits... not if he s an ectomorph... an ecto who lifts will always stay lean muscular and most of the time vascular.
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BASICLy, yes... but... lets not get over the top.
btw xerx, I actually play quakewars... :P
You may be one of the lucky ones to stay lean and mean in your 30s and 40s, but there's a good chance you might not. Enjoy it though man, I miss my 20s.
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yes uberman I'm an ecto and that's what I'm saying it's easyer for me to maintain this. I haven't done cardio in months and I've put on almost 2kg in few months, training is going good and I'm trying to get more power with pyramid sets.
I miss running though... I would get ripped then... now I'm lean but... I want roundness, ya know, I'm working on it.
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I'm 23 and I've hit the wall. I quit smoking six months ago and went from 187 to 217 in 5 months. I eating started eating 4 1000+ calories meals a day . For the last last six weeks I've halted it by eating about 2500-3000 cals split into 2 meals a day. It's a numbers game. Most skinny people I meet under 150 that claim they eat alot can do it because they don't eat equally. They may have 1500 cals for dinner but have almost nothing for breakfeast, and a normal meal for supper or whatever. Keep in mind I'm 6'3" and the only reason i workout is because of shoulder problems.
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huh...bullshits... not if he s an ectomorph... an ecto who lifts will always stay lean muscular and most of the time vascular.
Even ectomorphs metabolism slows with age and testosterone lowers. They may stay lean but they're not as ripped going into their 30s and 40s. I was an ecto also, turned my physique into an ecto/meso and up until I turned the 30 corner was always lean and people always always said I was ripped. I hold it well still but my six pac is no longer as visible (more like a 4) and I've definitely put fat on the last couple years. Turning 30 was like night and day in terms of my leanness. Everyone is different, for sure, but most people's physiques in terms of leaness start to fade as they age. Making proper diet adjustments will definitely keep fat accumulation at bay but who the fuk wants to do that. lol
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that picture taken yesterday... I have eaten whatever i want, only taking care that I get 200g plus protein a day... other than that it's pasta/pizza/icecream/candy/alcohol.... and... and haven't done any cardio in 5 months now prior to this day.
people allways say "eat more" wtf, how much do i have to eat, my bones won't suddenly grow as yo might think ::)
notice the TITLE NAME!!! So fuck off you dumb asses :P!! just want to give u an example that some poeple DO NOT become fat... my problem is, I'm a twink all abs.
hahahahahahahaha brutal 12" pipes !
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oh no, so, I'm not massive... huh.. and here I "KNEW" that I was huge ::), it's good that a monkey boy like you wakes me up from these huge mass dreams ::), I promise I will look more nasser pics, maby that will trigger to open up my reptilian dna and I will grow ::)
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That's because a calorie is not a calorie.
Did you watch the video?
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I eat whatever I want and I get ripped. Always have, always will.
I just don't "over-eat"
A calorie is a calorie in my body.
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As you probably already know, I won't be able to get you that autographed DVD from Sandy's movies. Jesse fucked that one up >:(
Yeah I heard, so did they move?
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The point of the video was that the fat one was eating a ton more, that's why she got fat.
Apparently you did not watch it all as there was a lot more to it than that.
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Apparently you did not watch it all as there was a lot more to it than that.
Yes I did:
- the fat one ate about 50% more
- calories in / out determine weight
- calcium might help with being able to eat more fat without fully digesting it
- protein and soups can help with satiety
- getting smaller portions / seeing what you ate might make you eat less
- large food variety in front of you might make you eat more
But still:
- "if you're fat you just eat too much"
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Hey devil, If you want bigger muscles, you MUST focus on progressive overload. If you can curl 40 kg (90 lbs) for 10 reps and 2 month later you can curl 60 kg (130 lbs) for 10 reps, you will have bigger biceps, I guaran-goddamn-tee it :>
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Hey devil, If you want bigger muscles, you MUST focus on progressive overload. If you can curl 40 kg (90 lbs) for 10 reps and 2 month later you can curl 60 kg (130 lbs) for 10 reps, you will have bigger biceps, I guaran-goddamn-tee it :>
last week I curled 50kg for 11 reps... I'm shooting for 60kg now, but I my self weight 77kg so I don't just "add weight" on the curls. Epic thinking that you can add 20kg on curls in 2 months, ya know how much that rly is ;D
and curl is not a curl if you don't extend your arms streight when you do the negative rep, that's my oppinion.
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Just curious, do you think that its possible to go from performing 60 kg (135 lbs) for 8 reps to 100 kg (225 lbs) for 20 reps in 2 months in the full barbell squat? And yes I know that 1 kilo equals 2.2046 pounds, I'm only showing respect to the europeans :)
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Just curious, do you think that its possible to go from performing 60 kg (135 lbs) for 8 reps to 100 kg (225 lbs) for 20 reps in 2 months in the full barbell squat? And yes I know that 1 kilo equals 2.2046 pounds, I'm only showing respect to the europeans :)
damn dude... 2 months?... 60kg for 8 reps, you mean 8 reps to the limit?
then I would have to say hell no :P
or are you just busting my balls :D
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It wasn't me who did it, I don't train legs ;> But I personally witnessed this progression, and yeah, this dude gained 10 fairly solid kilos within this 2 month time span.
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It wasn't me who did it, I don't train legs ;> But I personally witnessed this progression, and yeah, this dude gained 10 fairly solid kilos within this 2 month time span.
10kg in 2 months is impossible to be only muscle unless he has taken steroids, and that's not even a bold statement.
going from 60kg 8 reps to 100kg 20 reps is fucking enormous improvement, 40kg more on the bar and over 10 reps more... that even sounds stupid to have in 2 months :D
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My best ever gain was 3 kg of bodyweight in 5 weeks, and my bodyfat went down 1% from 12% to 11%, and no steroids were taken. Only creatine monohydrate, and progressive overload ;>
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My best ever gain was 3 kg of bodyweight in 5 weeks, and my bodyfat went down 1% from 12% to 11%, and no steroids were taken. Only creatine monohydrate, and progressive overload ;>
well yes but if u say that "the guy" you saw gained 10kg in 2months and got his squat up by 40kg add in addition with 12 reps it's quite stagering.
3kg gain in 5 weeks and droping from 12% to 11% is very normal, since 12% is kinda higher medium bodyfat level, so when you train hard you will lose extra weight while getting some power also.
to get PURE MUSCLE, you are lucky to get 1.5kg in a year.... "in a year"... 2kg at tops in year of pure muscle and that requires shit load of dedication, no sickness, no inujrie's, etc.
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Sorry devil, but I don't buy this "its only possible to gain 2 kg of pure muscle in one year" BS.
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Sorry devil, but I don't buy this "its only possible to gain 2 kg of pure muscle in one year" BS.
well there's plenty of evidence to back it up...
sure I might be 85kg now instead of 77kg if I trained with pyramid sets from the very beginning of my training and not overtrain the living hell out of me, but it's still quite hard.
maby you're right...
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Don't worry my man, we all make training errors/mistakes. But remember, we don't learn from our successes, we learn from our mistakes.
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yeah ;D, we can only go up from here :P
or we can just roll a fat joint and play counterstrike and be happy :D
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Yes I did:
- the fat one ate about 50% more
- calories in / out determine weight
- calcium might help with being able to eat more fat without fully digesting it
- protein and soups can help with satiety
- getting smaller portions / seeing what you ate might make you eat less
- large food variety in front of you might make you eat more
But still:
- "if you're fat you just eat too much"
Well now you did. ;D What I find most interesting is that it took researchers so long to figure out that macros have a different effect on the body.
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How did the "skinny never can get fat" gene survive throughout history?
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Well now you did. ;D What I find most interesting is that it took researchers so long to figure out that macros have a different effect on the body.
I've watched it before of course but I'm not sure you did.
The point of the video was that macros do not have a direct effect on weight. Protein can help with satiety (convenience factor), that's all.
That was the main point of the part I posted:
- calories in / out determine weight
- if you're fat you just eat too much
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I've watched it before of course but I'm not sure you did.
The point of the video was that macros do not have a direct effect on weight. Protein can help with satiety (convenience factor), that's all.
That was the main point of the part I posted:
- calories in / out determine weight
- if you're fat you just eat too much
You are not being specific enough for my taste. I would have said macros do not have a direct effect on body fat content although said either way you are wrong. Refer to the Cal is a Cal thread for a more detailed explanation.
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Protein help with satiety? Yeah maybe it does, but fat, and in particular saturated fat, helps even more. And carbs hold more water than the other macros. But none of that matters because a calorie is still a calorie :) So what if fats help with satiety, calories in vs. calories out equals gain, loss, or maintaince of bodyweight. But of course you must also take into account activitiy level and metabolism. I guaran-goddamn-tee you if someone who supposedly can't gain weight, just sat around on their ass all day and ate a legit 5000 cals a day, they would gain weight, no doubt about it. And if weight loss is the goal, eat much less calories than usual, but I you can't handle and deal with the hunger, then just take some crystal meth, coz that will take care of your hunger pangs :>
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You are not being specific enough for my taste. I would have said macros do not have a direct effect on body fat content although said either way you are wrong. Refer to the Cal is a Cal thread for a more detailed explanation.
I'm not saying I agree 100% with everything said in the video but the only time macros are mentioned in it is with protein helping with satiety. I e.g. don't believe that's necessarily true for everyone, but either way, the main statement of the video is still that calories determine weight.
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Calories from fat curb satiety. But if one is a he-man, he can eat mostly carbs, and he will still lose weight, as long as his calorie intake is below maintaince levels. Who gives a fuck if you're hungry, just tough it out, or just take some crystal meth :>
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these high fat prep guru's would have you believe you don't have to suffer, you don't have to be hungry because the fat and protein fills you up for longer and hence you will eat less, than if on a high carb diet.
however both high carb or fat diets require you to take in very little calories and indeed suffer if you are trying to get to sub 5% bf and/or do cardio non stop while eating more.
the science says both work as a calorie is a calorie, so make your choice based on preference and prepare to suffer.
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these high fat prep guru's would have you believe you don't have to suffer, you don't have to be hungry because the fat and protein fills you up for longer and hence you will eat less, than if on a high carb diet.
however both high carb or fat diets require you to take in very little calories and indeed suffer if you are trying to get to sub 5% bf and/or do cardio non stop while eating more.
the science says both work as a calorie is a calorie, so make your choice based on preference and prepare to suffer.
I found a way where I have to suffer very little, but that's different for everyone I think.
And I don't agree that protein and fat in the long run is necesarily more satiating. For some days maybe but then for many people, carb cravings take over. At least that's the case with me.
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I found a way where I have to suffer very little, but that's different for everyone I think.
And I don't agree that protein and fat in the long run is necesarily more satiating. For some days maybe but then for many people, carb cravings take over. At least that's the case with me.
what way don't you suffer ? you mean by eating a mixed diet ?
i agree about the carb cravings - i have been on high fat / low carb diets and yes no matter how long you are on it, you always crave carbs. the dry bland foods don't help either. not to mention how your strength goes down dramatically. your energy levels are also lower all round. you do feel fuller for longer with the meals though.
on high carb diets/ low fat diets however i have more energy, strength and endurance, but i do still crave fatty foods from time to time.
best way is probably a mix of carbs and fats - that way you get the best of both.
sound familiar wave ;D
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I found a way where I have to suffer very little, but that's different for everyone I think.
And I don't agree that protein and fat in the long run is necesarily more satiating. For some days maybe but then for many people, carb cravings take over. At least that's the case with me.
what way don't you suffer ? you mean by eating a mixed diet ?
i agree about the carb cravings - i have been on high fat / low carb diets and yes no matter how long you are on it, you always crave carbs. the dry bland foods don't help either. not to mention how your strength goes down dramatically. your energy levels are also lower all round. you do feel fuller for longer with the meals though.
on high carb diets/ low fat diets however i have more energy, strength and endurance, but i do still crave fatty foods from time to time.
best way is probably a mix of carbs and fats - that way you get the best of both.
sound familiar wave ;D
Can't remember, did we have this conversation already?
Damn booze ;D
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what way don't you suffer ? you mean by eating a mixed diet ?
i agree about the carb cravings - i have been on high fat / low carb diets and yes no matter how long you are on it, you always crave carbs. the dry bland foods don't help either. not to mention how your strength goes down dramatically. your energy levels are also lower all round. you do feel fuller for longer with the meals though.
on high carb diets/ low fat diets however i have more energy, strength and endurance, but i do still crave fatty foods from time to time.
best way is probably a mix of carbs and fats - that way you get the best of both.
sound familiar wave ;D
Can't remember, did we have this conversation already?
Damn booze ;D
So booze isn't irrelevant for body composition ? ;D
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So booze isn't irrelevant for body composition ? ;D
only when you get teh munchies ;D
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What y'all think about the minimal level of carb intake for a fat-loss regime? I was taught at my university nutrition courses that the minimal level should be 100 carb grams daily, and I've also seen this suggestion elsewhere. I've tried on a few seperate occasions to keep carb intake at 30 grams daily, but I usually ended up having blurry vision and seeing double, so fvck dat noise! But for me, 100 grams is ok.
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It increases your metabolism exponentially.. ;D
X2
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What y'all think about the minimal level of carb intake for a fat-loss regime? I was taught at my university nutrition courses that the minimal level should be 100 carb grams daily, and I've also seen this suggestion elsewhere. I've tried on a few seperate occasions to keep carb intake at 30 grams daily, but I usually ended up having blurry vision and seeing double, so fvck dat noise! But for me, 100 grams is ok.
All completely 100% irrelevant. Why would they teach a "minimal" carb level?
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I suppose coz they said that it was the minimal level required for normal brain functioning. I know from my own personal experience that it is relevant, and from a few others that I know, including a fella by the name of John Mark Blakely (creator of the JM press)
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I suppose coz they said that it was the minimal level required for normal brain functioning. I know from my own personal experience that it is relevant, and from a few others that I know, including a fella by the name of John Mark Blakely (creator of the JM press)
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I suppose coz they said that it was the minimal level required for normal brain functioning. I know from my own personal experience that it is relevant, and from a few others that I know, including a fella by the name of John Mark Blakely (creator of the JM press)
The brain requires glucose not carbs.
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True dat! And carbs, particularly simple carbs, are more easily and more quickly converted to glucose for normal brain functioning.
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I was taught at my university nutrition courses that the minimal level should be 100 carb grams daily, and I've also seen this suggestion elsewhere.
Did your University also teach you the meaning of essential, and how to apply it to protein/carbs/fat?
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Yeah man, I think so, but that was almost 15 years ago, and I honestly don't remember the specifics on it. Maybe you or someone else can enlighten me? But who knows, maybe I'm just a pu@sy that can't handle only 30 grams on a daily basis
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Yeah man, I think so, but that was almost 15 years ago, and I honestly don't remember the specifics on it. Maybe you or someone else can enlighten me? But who knows, maybe I'm just a pu@sy that can't handle only 30 grams on a daily basis
"Essential" means you have to have it. Essential Nutrition refers to the elements the body must have in order to function correctly.
Name me the "essential" amino acids (protein), name me the essential fatty acids and name me the essential carbohydrates, please. Actually, you don't have to name off any by name, just list how many by category: there are X amount of amino acids, X amount of fatty acids and X amount of essential carbohydrates.
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True dat! And carbs, particularly simple carbs, are more easily and more quickly converted to Adipose tissue.
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Well, I never said they were essential. This 100 carb gram guideline was given in order combat brain drain.
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it's all irrelevant.
there are only 3 rules that are essential for optimal body composition.
everyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar.
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it's all irrelevant.
there are only 3 rules that are essential for optimal body composition.
everyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar.
The number of times I've seen wavelength use the f-word can probably be counted on one hand :o
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Allright man, so what are these 3 rules? And speaking of body comp, how low is too low? It's been said that essential is 2-3%, and from my own personal experience, I've been at roughly 6% for a prolonged period of time (6 months or so) and I was feeling fine, although my face had a close resemblance to that of skeltors :>
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The number of times I've seen wavelength use the f-word can probably be counted on one hand :o
sorry about that
Allright man, so what are these 3 rules? And speaking of body comp, how low is too low? It's been said that essential is 2-3%, and from my own personal experience, I've been at roughly 6% for a prolonged period of time (6 months or so) and I was feeling fine, although my face had a close resemblance to that of skeltors :>
the 3 rules are:
- anaerobic training
- enough protein
- caloric control
I know what you're talking about. As long as you're feeling fine, it's just a matter of personal preference.
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Well, I never said they were essential. This 100 carb gram guideline was given in order combat brain drain.
I never said that you said they were essential. I asked you if the university taught you the definition of essential.
To me, the argument that anyone has about gaining and/or losing weight begins and ends with the term essential.
Once again, I think the canvass is mired by peoples desire to have a heightened discourse. They want to argue certain things based on their beliefs. Similar to a political or religious discussion, due to peoples own involvement in the subject at hand, it becomes passionate and the main point of the argument is lost in the heat of battle.
The laws of thermodynamics state that if you're in a caloric deficit, you will lose weight. This is indisputable. Optimal body composition or shape? That's a completely different ballgame.
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I get your point, and I will openly admit that my ideas regarding calorie intake and macronutrient distribution were greatly influenced by Arthur Jones. Regarding body shape and body comp, well that is a topic that I'm rather interested in, and yeah, I am performing exeperiments on myself within regard to these 2 topics at the present moment. So can I ask what you believe to be the ideal body comp for a fit individual? (I'm basically talking physical appearance here, not general health) I know in regards to myself, that I must be sub 10% bodyfat to look respectable, and once I hit sub 7% then it's a whole different ballgame.
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So can I ask what you believe to be the ideal body comp for a fit individual? (I'm basically talking physical appearance here, not general health)
It's different for everyone. A football player, as a lineman might want to be 300lbs, whereas the wide receiver would be 190lbs and lean as a horse.
A bodybuilder wants the highest body weight, yet the least amount of fat to blur definition. A sprinter wants the most amount of muscle and least amount of fat, with not too much muscle to slow him/her down.
I just go for better. I'm more of a bodybuilder, so I want the most amount of muscle, least about of fat. Just my preference, that's all. I don't knock a sumo wrestler for being fat...that's what he has to do to perform his sport. Would I do it? No, but would the sumo wrestler want to look like I do? Don't know, don't care.
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I never said that you said they were essential. I asked you if the university taught you the definition of essential.
To me, the argument that anyone has about gaining and/or losing weight begins and ends with the term essential.
Once again, I think the canvass is mired by peoples desire to have a heightened discourse. They want to argue certain things based on their beliefs. Similar to a political or religious discussion, due to peoples own involvement in the subject at hand, it becomes passionate and the main point of the argument is lost in the heat of battle.
The laws of thermodynamics state that if you're in a caloric deficit, you will lose weight. This is indisputable. Optimal body composition or shape? That's a completely different ballgame.
Very good post...
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You don't even need the law of thermodynamics, a caloric deficit is defined as an intake which makes you lose weight.
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You don't even need the law of thermodynamics, a caloric deficit is defined as an intake which makes you lose weight.
However, as bodybuilders we want to keep the most muscle while losing fat...
We're not house wifes wanting to lose weight..
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However, as bodybuilders we want to keep the most muscle while losing fat...
We're not house wifes wanting to lose weight..
Won't sufficient protein intake and intense workouts cover most of our needs?
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However, as bodybuilders we want to keep the most muscle while losing fat...
We're not house wifes wanting to lose weight..
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=331561.msg4745809#msg4745809
Won't sufficient protein intake and intense workouts cover most of our needs?
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wave there is actually 4 rules.
you forgot:
4. proper nutrient timing.
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wave there is actually 4 rules.
you forgot:
4. proper nutrient timing.
;)
No such thing.
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No such thing.
is that what you told tamali ::)
tell you what, why don't we talk about your feelings on sugar. I need a good laugh................... ......
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is that what you told tamali ::)
tell you what, why don't we talk about your feelings on sugar. I need a good laugh................... ......
Why don't you go into further detail about your "proper nutrient timing methods" ::) Would love to hear this one.
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Why don't you go into further detail about your "proper nutrient timing methods" ::) Would love to hear this one.
what you mean you don't want to talk about the evil that is refined sugar ;D
what would you like to know regarding nutrient timing jim ?
i thought you were a nutritionist ? i would have thought you understood it.
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what you mean you don't want to talk about the evil that is refined sugar ;D
what would you like to know regarding nutrient timing jim ?
i thought you were a nutritionist ? i would have thought you understood it.
I would like to know everything about it. Enlighten me please.
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I would like to know everything about it. Enlighten me please.
its the proper timing of food intake which allows optimal partitioning of those nutriets into muscle and away from fat, and aiding muscle recovery.
this is done primarily by eating certain macronutrients around the workout/cardio to help manipulate hormonal responce : cortisol/gh/insulin/igf-1/and various other hormonal goodies.
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its the proper timing of food intake which allows optimal partitioning of those nutriets into muscle and away from fat, and aiding muscle recovery.
this is done primarily by eating certain macronutrients around the workout/cardio to help manipulate hormonal responce : cortisol/gh/insulin/igf-1/and various other hormonal goodies.
Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa If you were talking about eating on a proper schedule on a daily basis to feed your body the proper nutrition then yes, but thinking I better hurry up and drink this magic drink when my workout is finished so I can "shuttle" these nutrients into the muscle so they can magically start to repair and make my muscles grow larger, then um NO!!!! That's a huge myth Fatpad.
I love the last part of your comment , Freakin hilarious. "this is done primarily by eating certain macronutrients around the workout/cardio to help manipulate hormonal responce : cortisol/gh/insulin/igf-1/and various other hormonal goodies."
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Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa If you were talking about eating on a proper schedule on a daily basis to feed your body the proper nutrition then yes, but thinking I better hurry up and drink this magic drink when my workout is finished so I can "shuttle" these nutrients into the muscle so they can magically start to repair and make my muscles grow larger, then um NO!!!! That's a huge myth Fatpad.
I love the last part of your comment , Freakin hilarious. "this is done primarily by eating certain macronutrients around the workout/cardio to help manipulate hormonal responce : cortisol/gh/insulin/igf-1/and various other hormonal goodies."
well proper scheduled intake of protein is a given. Anyone with half a brain and works out knows you must eat protein regularly throughout the day.
oh and blood does carry nutrients wherever it goes - during the workout more blood is pumped into the muscle, also insulin eliminates cortisol, and increases blood flow via vasodilation.
proper timing of a carb and protein meal would provide greater nutrient delivery to the muscle during he workout, reduce muscle tissue breakdown and increase recovery.
i'm not surprised you do not agree with this, as you think all sugar is evil ::)
p.s. hows kamali's gut and bodyfat doing on this magical no carb diet of yours ::)
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Fatpad, you are getting basic bodily functions mixed up with your delusional unproven follow the leader fantasies. PS. If you happen to have a specific question about sugar then just ask.
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Fatpad, you are getting basic bodily functions mixed up with your delusional unproven follow the leader fantasies. PS. If you happen to have a specific question about sugar then just ask.
I have one: can adding refined sugar to a maintenance diet make you lose weight?
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I have one: can adding refined sugar to a maintenance diet make you lose weight?
;D
careful wave, he may melt again.
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some people are born with incredibly high super human metabolisms! i know a few dudes that are human garbage disposals, and whatever they eat just seems to morph into their builds. (they never get fat!) heck, most teenage guys are like this! they start out scrawney lookin and whimpy, then all of the sudden testosterone and nature kicks in and goes into overdrive, and they go from zero to hero physique in record time! i knew a dude like this. one year he was super scrawney lookin, and the next super built! and you consume massive quantities and just get more and more muscular!
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Fatpad, you are getting basic bodily functions mixed up with your delusional unproven follow the leader fantasies. PS. If you happen to have a specific question about sugar then just ask.
are you claiming carbs do not induce an insulin spike ?
are you claiming insulin does not block cortisol ?
are you claiming insulin does not cause vasodilation ?
are you claiming protein does not stimulate protein synthesis and decrease protein breakdown ?
which one of these claims do you feel are delusional unproven follow the leader fantasies ? ::)
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I have one: can adding refined sugar to a maintenance diet make you lose weight?
no
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are you claiming carbs do not induce an insulin spike ?
are you claiming insulin does not block cortisol ?
are you claiming insulin does not cause vasodilation ?
are you claiming protein does not stimulate protein synthesis and decrease protein breakdown ?
which one of these claims do you feel are delusional unproven follow the leader fantasies ? ::)
God you're dense. Like I said, basic bodily functions. You have yet to tell me in any details how you can "time" a nutrient to manipulate muscle growth. ::)
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God you're dense. Like I said, basic bodily functions. You have yet to tell me in any details how you can "time" a nutrient to manipulate muscle growth. ::)
::) i'm dense ?
i can't believe people have paid you for your quackery nutritional advice.
so again i ask: which one of those statements are fantasies ?
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::) i'm dense ?
i can't believe people have paid you for your quackery nutritional advice.
so again i ask: which one of those statements are fantasies ?
I already anwsered it. They are all basic bodily functions. Now answer mine, "You have yet to tell me in any details how you can "time" a nutrient to manipulate muscle growth"??????
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I already anwsered it. They are all basic bodily functions. Now answer mine, "You have yet to tell me in any details how you can "time" a nutrient to manipulate muscle growth"??????
so you don't see how causing an insulin spike right around the time of your workout would be of benefit despite:
1. insulin blocking/hampering cortisol release, and therefore reducing muscle breakdown.
2. insulin causing vasodilation that increases blood flow to the muscles, which helps the muscle recover between sets by carrying away waste products while carrying nutrients into the muscle.
3. insulin being a storage hormone that helps the muscle uptake of protein and carbs.
4. insulin increasing protein synthesis.
interesting.............
have you prepared many champions ? ::)
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So you are talking about insulin? Spiking our own insulin levels will do little or nothing to cause muscle growth. It's like taking a dbol before u lift and thinking that's the best time to take it. Ever hear of celltech?Take it if u wanna get fat. You are a little behind the times bro.
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So you are talking about insulin? Spiking our own insulin levels will do little or nothing to cause muscle growth. It's like taking a dbol before u lift and thinking that's the best time to take it. Ever hear of celltech?Take it if u wanna get fat. You are a little behind the times bro.
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yes sure i am. thats why insulin has added 30+ lbs of muscle to countless pro's since its been introduced - it does nothing for muscle growth ::)
now that i have explained to you about nutrient timing, why don't you enlighten us all on the merits of your diet ? why you think nutrient timing doesn't work ? why you think insulin does nothing to add muscle, etc etc
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You are so far off your own subject it isn't funny You went from talking about nutient timing to spiking your own insulin and now to pros who are taking exogenous insulin in copius amounts which by the way doesn't have to be taken around a workout. I say again that nutrient timing is a myth.
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no
What made you change your opinion?
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You are so far off your own subject it isn't funny You went from talking about nutient timing to spiking your own insulin and now to pros who are taking exogenous insulin in copius amounts which by the way doesn't have to be taken around a workout. I say again that nutrient timing is a myth.
off topic? nutrient timing and insulin are joined together in an inseparable bond - like you and stupid.
you said insulin will do little or nothing for muscle growth, i simply pointed out insulin does indeed cause muscle growth as seen i todays pros.
now, this may be hard but why don't you try to address my questions and stop trying to deflect your stupidity?
you seem to be dangerously close to vince basil territory here, by saying alot of nothing and trying to focus on others points rather than prove or explain your own. :-\
i trust however that is not the case and expect a full post with the details i asked for.
if you do not, you = owned.
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What made you change your opinion?
I knew from the beginning where you were going with this so why not just come out and say it instead of beating around the bush.
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off topic? nutrient timing and insulin are joined together in an inseparable bond - like you and stupid.
you said insulin will do little or nothing for muscle growth, i simply pointed out insulin does indeed cause muscle growth as seen i todays pros.
now, this may be hard but why don't you try to address my questions and stop trying to deflect your stupidity?
you seem to be dangerously close to vince basil territory here, by saying alot of nothing and trying to focus on others points rather than prove or explain your own. :-\
i trust however that is not the case and expect a full post with the details i asked for.
if you do not, you = owned.
You quote me incorrectly. I said spiking one's own insulin is worthless.
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I knew from the beginning where you were going with this so why not just come out and say it instead of beating around the bush.
I just wanted to know if you still have the same opinion on the topic. Last time we talked about it, you claimed to have evidence but couldn't produce any. Now that you have changed your opinion on the subject, I would like to know what made you change your opinion.
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I just wanted to know if you still have the same opinion on the topic. Last time we talked about it, you claimed to have evidence but couldn't produce any. Now that you have changed your opinion on the subject, I would like to know what made you change your opinion.
I did? Can you find the post?
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I did? Can you find the post?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483926#msg3483926
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483933#msg3483933
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483942#msg3483942
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You quote me incorrectly. I said spiking one's own insulin is worthless.
you have studies that back this claim ?
you have studies that refute my claims about insulins effects ?
you have still not went into detail explaining your diet, and why it works better.
yes, as i said you have been owned.
jim, or is that vince :-\ i suggest you contact the mods and ask them to delete this thread, as it has done your credibility no good at all.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483926#msg3483926
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483933#msg3483933
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483942#msg3483942
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hahahahahahahahahahaha oh brother ::)
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you have studies that back this claim ?
you have studies that refute my claims about insulins effects ?
you have still not went into detail explaining your diet, and why it works better.
yes, as i said you have been owned.
jim, or is that vince :-\ i suggest you contact the mods and ask them to delete this thread, as it has done your credibility no good at all.
Studies? LOL A bunch of fat guys who took Celltech. LOL Taking exogenous insulin is way different than trying to spike your own
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483926#msg3483926
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483933#msg3483933
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134929.msg3483942#msg3483942
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I still have no idea what you are specifically talking about. I'm not going to read thru a ton of posts I made so if you want me to answer a specific question just quote me and I'll gladly answer.
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have you prepared many champions ? ::)
And you have? :D
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I still have no idea what you are specifically talking about. I'm not going to read thru a ton of posts I made so if you want me to answer a specific question just quote me and I'll gladly answer.
The posts are very short but here you go (exact content of the 3 posts linked above):
If that was true, one would lose weight when adding refined sugar to the diet.
Yes, but not enough to worry about. Kinda like the fad of eating negative calorie foods. At least with them you are getting some nutrition. Actually if you took two groups of people and fed one group nothing and gave the other group all the table sugar they wanted the sugar group would starve first.
So again, if I would add refined sugar to my maintenance diet, I would start to lose weight
(You just quoted yorself again) Yes, but not enough to worry about. Kinda like the fad of eating negative calorie foods. At least with them you are getting some nutrition. Actually if you took two groups of people and fed one group nothing and gave the other group all the table sugar you wanted the sugar group would starve first.
I asked for evidence in the above thread and you couldn't provide any. In this thread however, you said:
Can adding refined sugar to a maintenance diet make you lose weight?
no
So the question is: what made you change your opinion?
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The posts are very short but here you go (exact content of the 3 posts linked above):
I asked for evidence in the above thread and you couldn't provide any. In this thread however, you said:
So the question is: what made you change your opinion?
Now see that wan't so hard was it? ;) I knew that this is exactly what you were referring to when you asked me this yesterday and the answer still is no as it would be silly to try and add sugar to ones diet just as it would be silly to add celery as one would not lose an appreciable amount of "weight" from doing so. If you would have quoted me, it would have been apparent that I was talking about two groups of people one eating nothing but table sugar while the other actually fasting. I think that you are getting confused as to why one would starve faster while eating just table sugar as opposed to the other group who ate nothing. The table sugar requires energy from the body that robs one of nutrients while replacing nothing in return. So the table sugar group would starve first mainly because of nutrient loss much in the same way one would lose electrolytes because of drinking too much water, but obviously at a much slower rate. They are not dying from fat loss as I think you may have thought. Of course there was not reason to go into that much depth of an explanation in the previous post as we were not actually talking specifically about what you had asked.
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You quote me incorrectly. I said spiking one's own insulin is worthless.
Studies? LOL A bunch of fat guys who took Celltech. LOL Taking exogenous insulin is way different than trying to spike your own
the beneficial effects of insulin occur at concentrations easily acheivable by a large carb meal. using exogenous insulin really provides very little benefit.
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And you have? :D
61 and counting.
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the beneficial effects of insulin occur at concentrations easily acheivable by a large carb meal. using exogenous insulin really provides very little benefit.
actually candy you are correct, in fact the maximal beneficial effects of insulin are achieved with as little 15micrograms i believe, which can be provided by eating a whole protein source alone, there is actually no need for carbs from that view.
however the carbs do add other benefits though i.e. better hydration, energy replacement, strength levels etc
i'm sure jim knows that though ::)
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Now see that wan't so hard was it? ;) I knew that this is exactly what you were referring to when you asked me this yesterday and the answer still is no as it would be silly to try and add sugar to ones diet just as it would be silly to add celery as one would not lose an appreciable amount of "weight" from doing so. If you would have quoted me, it would have been apparent that I was talking about two groups of people one eating nothing but table sugar while the other actually fasting. I think that you are getting confused as to why one would starve faster while eating just table sugar as opposed to the other group who ate nothing. The table sugar requires energy from the body that robs one of nutrients while replacing nothing in return. So the table sugar group would starve first mainly because of nutrient loss much in the same way one would lose electrolytes because of drinking too much water, but obviously at a much slower rate. They are not dying from fat loss as I think you may have thought. Of course there was not reason to go into that much depth of an explanation in the previous post as we were not actually talking specifically about what you had asked.
I specifically asked you what would happen if one would add refined sugar to a maintenance diet, there was no mentioning of "sugar only" in my question. Although you added some information afterwards, you still said yes to the question.
This is how our conversation went on:
I fully agree that it's foolish, I will of course not try that as my next diet concept. I also understand that your main point was that refined sugar does not provide certain nutrients and may even "rob" the body of some nutrients. But to say it does not provide ANY nutrition (including the main purpose of it = energy), yet even robs the body of physical energy is a concept unknown to me. That's why I'm curious.
Just google sugar and nutritional value and you will find tons of info confirming just that.
I already did and I could not find an article that would claim adding refined sugar to a diet could lead to an energy deficit (aka weight loss). Can you provide me with any reference or link?
Bump, I really couldn't find a valid source on that one.
Wave, this is something that I have known for years just like the average person eating 150 pounds of sugar per year, which surprises me that Adam did not know this. I sometimes take for granted that the average person may know these things too. Anyway, I read this years ago. You amy or may not find it but you should if you research enough.
Well I will make the claim that I think it is impossible to create an energy deficit (aka weight loss) by adding refined sugar to a maintenance diet. Every article I could find on refined sugar states that it always leads to weight gain. I have also never heard anyone else make a different statement. That's why I'm so interested in getting prove of that statement of you. No bash at all, I'm just curious.
I still have never heard any nutritionist making the claim that refined sugar would substract energy from the body nor could I find any reference to it.
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I specifically asked you what would happen if one would add refined sugar to a maintenance diet, there was no mentioning of "sugar only" in my question. Although you added some information afterwards, you still said yes to the question.
This is how our conversation went on:
I still have never heard any nutritionist making the claim that refined sugar would substract energy from the body nor could I find any reference to it.
;D jim ?
where art thou ?
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Re: ICE CREAM FOR EVERYONE !!!
« Reply #669 on: November 20, 2008, 06:29:37 PM »
Quote from: Disgusted on November 20, 2008, 06:27:33 PM
Carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient, true or false.
True but I don't understand why you say refined sugar provides NOTHING. I think we can agree that refined sugar doesn't add much other than pure energy and may even "rob" the body of other nutrients, but to say it provides NOTHING seems strange.
So in your way of thinking going by the quote above just because sugar provides energy it seems strange to you that I say it provides nothing? If sugar provides nothing but energy and I think that we agree on this then the energy that it is supplying must come from the body processing the sugar into energy and this process requires the body to manufacture that energy therefore robbing the body of nutrients. Just because something provides energy doesn't not mean the it provides nutritional value. This is something that you seem to disagree with me on. So going by the way that you are thinking then cocaine must be of nutritional value since if provides energy.
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61 and counting.
Name ten of them. And since they're champions, people here should be able to recognize their names.
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Re: ICE CREAM FOR EVERYONE !!!
« Reply #672 on: November 20, 2008, 06:33:28 PM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on November 20, 2008, 06:28:49 PM
???
If that was true, one would lose weight when adding refined sugar to the diet.
The above was not a question you made to me just a comment to TA's response to one of my posts.
Quote from: Disgusted on November 20, 2008, 06:37:34 PM
Yes, but not enough to worry about. Kinda like the fad of eating negative calorie foods. At least with them you are getting some nutrition. Actually if you took two groups of people and fed one group nothing and gave the other group all the table sugar you wanted the sugar group would starve first.
This was my response to you "comment" it was NOT a question for me but I commented on it anyway. You claimed I did not answer your question when in reality it NEVER was a question so when you state that you never asked about the sugar only diet question it's true because you never asked me a question get it?? ::)
So again, if I would add refined sugar to my maintenance diet, I would start to lose weight?
So again what? This was the first time you ever asked me this specific question (plus you conveniently added the word maintenance) until the other day and as you already know I never answered it on that date (11-8-2008) until you asked me again the other day.
Again you are misquoting and taking what I say out of context in what seems to be a desperate attempt to prove me wrong.
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;D jim ?
where art thou ?
Hey, you just need to shut your pie hole and go back to "cleaning up" ::) your vocabulary starting with the phrase inter fat. ;D You gotta be one of the dumbest guys on here.
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disgusted is a good guy and a good "trainer/guru" too. but like most of the "guru"s out there, he has alot of ideas that he cant back up with any kind of accurate scientific information. its a mistake for people who have learned through experience to try and back up their experience-derived knowledge with terminology and phrases that are research-based in nature.
on the issue of sugar robbing the body of nutrients, no.
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disgusted is a good guy and a good "trainer/guru" too. but like most of the "guru"s out there, he has alot of ideas that he cant back up with any kind of accurate scientific information. its a mistake for people who have learned through experience to try and back up their experience-derived knowledge with terminology and phrases that are research-based in nature.
on the issue of sugar robbing the body of nutrients, no.
Most of what I know is from training hundreds of people of all types over the course of 25 years and I tend to not give too much cred to scientific studies, not to say that they are worthless. There are so many Dr's of nutrition out there that can't agree with each other and they never will because each have had success with their own nutritional concepts. There is a conference each year with about 10 different experts and basically it's a round table of discussion and they are on youtube to watch. It's funny to see these guys argue which theory is best. One guy touts his low fat diet another mod fat low carb another raw food and so forth. No one ever proves there case as to which way of thinking is best, but they all have a good time debating and they prob learn something as well.
Now, I'm all ears as to why sugar does not rob the body of nutrients.
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Most of what I know is from training hundreds of people of all types over the course of 25 years and I tend to not give too much cred to scientific studies, not to say that they are worthless. There are so many Dr's of nutrition out there that can't agree with each other and they never will because each have had success with their own nutritional concepts. There is a conference each year with about 10 different experts and basically it's a round table of discussion and they are on youtube to watch. It's funny to see these guys argue which theory is best. One guy touts his low fat diet another mod fat low carb another raw food and so forth. No one ever proves there case as to which way of thinking is best, but they all have a good time debating and they prob learn something as well.
Now, I'm all ears as to why sugar does not rob the body of nutrients.
i know you know what works. youve been doing this forever. the proof is in the pudding..
im just saying that when you start to give explanations to people for why things work, you shouldnt try to give the answer you think "sounds accurate", but rather just say "it just works :) " (or: "i dont know why it works, it just does" ;) )
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i know you know what works. youve been doing this forever. the proof is in the pudding..
im just saying that when you start to give explanations to people for why things work, you shouldnt try to give the answer you think "sounds accurate", but rather just say "it just works :) " (or: "i dont know why it works, it just does" ;) )
I'm sincerely wanting to know why you think sugar does not rob the body of nutrients. I do agree that there are many things that I do with peoples diets that work and I do not know exactly why and or have no scientific proof. I m not scientist so I sometimes have a hard time trying to put things into words that will give the best explanation, but when I know something works and I am correct about it I will do my best to try and explain why. :)
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I'm sincerely wanting to know why you think sugar does not rob the body of nutrients. I do agree that there are many things that I do with peoples diets that work and I do not know exactly why and or have no scientific proof. I m not scientist so I sometimes have a hard time trying to put things into words that will give the best explanation, but when I know something works and I am correct about it I will do my best to try and explain why. :)
does the digestion of sugar require any energy? a small amount, probably about 2-5% of the amount of energy the sugar is supplying the body. no matter what, sugar gives the body energy, not takes it away.
does the digestion, storeage, and utilization of sugar (glucose, fructose) require certain vitamins and minerals? yes. as does every macronutrient.
does sugar contain all of the vitamins and minerals necessary for its processing in the body? no. does any food besides maybe vegetables contain enough vtimains and minerals to cover all that the body will need for its processing?? no.
the process of absorbing and storing and utilizing water also takes energy and vitamins/minerals.. yet water doesnt contain either in significant amounts. does water rob the body of nutrients??
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does the digestion of sugar require any energy? a small amount, probably about 2-5% of the amount of energy the sugar is supplying the body. no matter what, sugar gives the body energy, not takes it away.
does the digestion, storeage, and utilization of sugar (glucose, fructose) require certain vitamins and minerals? yes. as does every macronutrient.
does sugar contain all of the vitamins and minerals necessary for its processing in the body? no. does any food besides maybe vegetables contain enough vtimains and minerals to cover all that the body will need for its processing?? no.
the process of absorbing and storing and utilizing water also takes energy and vitamins/minerals.. yet water doesnt contain either in significant amounts. does water rob the body of nutrients??
Not really good examples as to why sugar does not rob the body of nutrients. Table sugar contains zero nutrients. Pure water has plenty of trace minerals and veggies have a lot of nutrition and of course no one food covers all nutritional needs. Bottom line is sugar takes away and gives nothing of value in return.
Secondly, I am not sure where you are coming up with the 2-5% digestion versus energy supplied by sugar, but assuming that you are correct for sake of argument, table sugar is not a good source of energy regardless. It spikes one's insulin too high and then as I'm assuming you already know then comes the sugar crash. Sustained energy is better provided to the body by proper nutrition as opposed to using table sugar.
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Ok, I have a question regarding sugar intake and fat loss. Let's say if a certain fella eats 2000 cals a day, and that for him, 2000 cals puts him in a state of calorie defict, which will in turn cause him to lose weight. And lets say he gets a sufficent amount of pro and fat, and the rest of his cals come from carbs. So would it be true that he won't lose as much fat if he takes the majority of his carb calories from sugar? I'm not talking about a healthy diet, only a diet strictly for fat-loss and possibly vanity ;)
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Ok, I have a question regarding sugar intake and fat loss. Let's say if a certain fella eats 2000 cals a day, and that for him, 2000 cals puts him in a state of calorie defict, which will in turn cause him to lose weight. And lets say he gets a sufficent amount of pro and fat, and the rest of his cals come from carbs. So would it be true that he won't lose as much fat if he takes the majority of his carb calories from sugar? I'm not talking about a healthy diet, only a diet strictly for fat-loss and possibly vanity ;)
You are still going to lose weight and how fast depends on how far below cal deficit. Doesn't really matter what type of carbs as I am assuming there is a fairly high amount of carbs in this diet.
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Thanks for the answer man. And now I'm really curious as to what the others will say.
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OK, so then let's just agree that if anyone adds sugar to a maintenance diet, he will start to gain weight and not lose weight. Maybe it really was just a misunderstanding in the first place.
I would then like to review your claim that a group of people eating nothing but sugar would starve quicker than a group eating nothing at all ("Actually if you took two groups of people and fed one group nothing and gave the other group all the table sugar they wanted the sugar group would starve first."). Any scientific reference to that claim? Again, I'm just curious.
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hahaha
I love how adonis/wavelength keeps ypping about "scientific proof via studies"
Jim ...why are you waisting your time with these kids ? from behind the computer everyone is a guru
I should ask for contest prep advice from Jim then Wave ... Jim is one of the best in the bussiness ...but wave is a genius who would get me ripped on icecream and tasty food AND wine ::)
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You would get ripped on ice cream, tasty food and red wine IF you take in a sufficient amount of protein and keep your total caloric intake below maintance levels.
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You would get ripped on ice cream, tasty food and red wine IF you take in a sufficient amount of protein and keep your total caloric intake below maintance levels.
:D
good one
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Yes, person A will get better results.
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You would get ripped on ice cream, tasty food and red wine IF you take in a sufficient amount of protein and keep your total caloric intake below maintance levels.
Yes. There is no reason why not.
Question about "keeping" muscle while dieting:
Person A eats 2000calories and burns 500 calories running/whatever and
Person B eats 1500calories and does no cardio
Both of them have a BMR of 1800. They both get sufficient protein.
Will one of them get better results?
If they both perform intense anaerobic training, same results.
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bullshit artists like apenis aka wavelength forget to mention the copious amounts of fatburners used
that's the dirty little detail
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Hey wave, I'm curious if you've ever tried the Tabata method? And I mean the true Tabata method on a stationary bike, all out, balls to the wall, and not this 20 seconds of push-ups nonsense. Yeah, this 20 seconds of push-ups has some benefits, but it don't compare to true Tabata.
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Hey wave, I'm curious if you've ever tried the Tabata method? And I mean the true Tabata method on a stationary bike, all out, balls to the wall, and not this 20 seconds of push-ups nonsense. Yeah, this 20 seconds of push-ups has some benefits, but it don't compare to true Tabata.
I have tried tabata a few times until I almost puked. If I would do cardio, I would definitely do tabata simply because it doesn't take as long. I doubt a positive effect on body composition though, as long as rate of weight loss is the same.
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I gotta give you some props man, coz true Tabata takes courage and guts, I'm just too much of a pvssy to do dat sh!t. I think that moderate interval training is a more rational way to go, 2-min on/2-min off
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hahaha
I love how adonis/wavelength keeps ypping about "scientific proof via studies"
Jim ...why are you waisting your time with these kids ? from behind the computer everyone is a guru
I should ask for contest prep advice from Jim then Wave ... Jim is one of the best in the bussiness ...but wave is a genius who would get me ripped on icecream and tasty food AND wine ::)
Yes, but unfortunately these two idiots have got some on here snowballed into believing one can bodybuild by eating ice cream and other shit food. It is no coincidence that both these guys are very lightly muscled. Neither of them are able to build any appreciable amount of muscle eating the way they do. Anyone as I'm sure you know can lose fat by cutting calories, but it's another thing to be able to build and preserve muscel while dieting which is something that neither of them by the looks of them know how to do.
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Name ten of them. And since they're champions, people here should be able to recognize their names.
hahahahaha
(http://eknives.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/fishing.jpg)
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Hey, you just need to shut your pie hole and go back to "cleaning up" ::) your vocabulary starting with the phrase inter fat. ;D You gotta be one of the dumbest guys on here.
'INTER FAT' come on jim, you can do better than that.
you are being tore a new asshole here, and looking more and more ridiculous by every post.
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hahahahaha
(http://eknives.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/fishing.jpg)
This mofo just ate a twink.
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jim is it only sugar you do not like or all carbs ?
i believe you advocate high fat, moderate protein - a.k.a. the atkins diet.
do you ignore the metabolic studies that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt a calorie is a calorie?
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jim is it only sugar you do not like or all carbs ?
i believe you advocate high fat, moderate protein - a.k.a. the atkins diet.
do you ignore the metabolic studies that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt a calorie is a calorie?
blah blah blah. Tell you what, if you or anyone else on here thinks they can rip me a new ass then why not do it on radio? If Derek is interested I'll debate you, skinny dude or both at the same time. What do say Fatpad?
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Yes, but unfortunately these two idiots have got some on here snowballed into believing one can bodybuild by eating ice cream and other shit food. It is no coincidence that both these guys are very lightly muscled. Neither of them are able to build any appreciable amount of muscle eating the way they do. Anyone as I'm sure you know can lose fat by cutting calories, but it's another thing to be able to build and preserve muscel while dieting which is something that neither of them by the looks of them know how to do.
How do you know what kind of mass I was able to build in the past (as a lifetime natural) ?
Let's just put aside these "arguments" ad hominem and ask a real nutritionist:
'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
Do people really give you sh!t about your results because they weren't achieved with clean foods? That's funny, especially considering that people don't realize that "clean" is a subjective term. One thing to remember is that most people simply do not have a fundamental understanding of human physiology. Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes. Did your protein intake and training regimen support LBM retention or at least minimize LBM loss? Yes...... I honestly don't see what's so fcking difficult for naysayers to understand about that.
At my absolute leanest, I ate a pint of hagen daaz every single night right before bed. I also did not have a car at the time, so I biked to school & work. I was running a caloric defricit, so I got lean. The people who give you sh!t are the same brotards who will spend $$$$ on completely useless supps, so we can laugh at them together.
And here's a little graphic he designed:
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Copy paste blah blah, read my above post to Fatpad. I'll gladly debate you on radio. You up for it?
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Copy paste blah blah, read my above post to Fatpad. I'll gladly debate you on radio. You up for it?
If your method of argument is calling other people idiots because they disagree, no.
Not that I'm offended but it sounds like a waste of time.
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If your method of argument is calling other people idiots because they disagree, no.
Not that I'm offended but it sounds like a waste of time.
Hahahhaa I knew it. You are all copy and paste. I give you my word no name calling, but I still don't think you are up to it. Just like your buddy Adam you back down when a real challenge comes your way.
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Hahahhaa I knew it. You are all copy and paste. I give you my word no name calling, but I still don't think you are up to it. Just like your buddy Adam you back down when a real challenge comes your way.
ok you win
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ok you win
It's not about winning it's about credibility. You didn't think it a waste of time these last 8 pages when you thought you could prove me wrong. You have such a great opportunity here to disprove my theories????
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It's not about winning it's about credibility. You didn't think it a waste of time these last 8 pages when you thought you could prove me wrong. You have such a great opportunity here to disprove my theories????
LOL, what do I care about credibility in the bodybuilding community, I'm just a skinny geek with too much time on my hands.
I wasn't out for disproving your theories, I was just asking for scientific evidence. If you can't provide any, fine. You could still be right of course.
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Not really good examples as to why sugar does not rob the body of nutrients. Table sugar contains zero nutrients. Pure water has plenty of trace minerals and veggies have a lot of nutrition and of course no one food covers all nutritional needs. Bottom line is sugar takes away and gives nothing of value in return.
Secondly, I am not sure where you are coming up with the 2-5% digestion versus energy supplied by sugar, but assuming that you are correct for sake of argument, table sugar is not a good source of energy regardless. It spikes one's insulin too high and then as I'm assuming you already know then comes the sugar crash. Sustained energy is better provided to the body by proper nutrition as opposed to using table sugar.
healthy individuals rarely experience blood sugar "crash", even after the ingestion of large amounts of sugar(s).
did you know about this jim:
Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessards T, Anantharaman K, Flatt JP, Jeguier E. Glycogen synthesis versus lipogenesis after a 500g carbohydrate meal in man. Metabolism 1982;31:1234–40.[Medline]
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blah blah blah. Tell you what, if you or anyone else on here thinks they can rip me a new ass then why not do it on radio? If Derek is interested I'll debate you, skinny dude or both at the same time. What do say Fatpad?
you cannot be serious ???
the only thing you have done in these 9 pages is reveal how little you know about the science of nutrition, and made yourself look more and more ridiculous with every post.
not only that but you have not said one thing about your theories, not a description, comment, and valid argument.
i have asked various times, yet you have avoided my direct questions at every opportunity.
are you Vince Basil in disguise ?
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you cannot be serious ???
the only thing you have done in these 9 pages is reveal how little you know about the science of nutrition, and made yourself look more and more ridiculous with every post.
not only that but you have not said one thing about your theories, not a description, comment, and valid argument.
i have asked various times, yet you have avoided my direct questions at every opportunity.
are you Vince Basil in disguise ?
So I'll take that as a no. ;D
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healthy individuals rarely experience blood sugar "crash", even after the ingestion of large amounts of sugar(s).
did you know about this jim:
Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessards T, Anantharaman K, Flatt JP, Jeguier E. Glycogen synthesis versus lipogenesis after a 500g carbohydrate meal in man. Metabolism 1982;31:1234–40.[Medline]
theres another one where the subjects consumed 700g of pasta and not 1 gram was converted to fat.
jim will ignore hese studies though as he knows best ::)
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So I'll take that as a no. ;D
i don't mind taking time out of my day to own the living shit out of you live on radio.
i assume you will actually talk about science, and not simply argue with me the entire time, ignoring and avoiding all direct questions like you have done througout this entire thread ::)
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i don't mind taking time out of my day to own the living shit out of you live on radio.
i assume you will actually talk about science, and not simply argue with me the entire time, ignoring and avoiding all direct questions like you have done througout this entire thread ::)
Don't worry about me and what my reponses will be, I'm certainly not worried about you. OK so if Derek has any interest in the debate let's get it on.
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Don't worry about me and what my reponses will be, I'm certainly not worried about you. OK so if Derek has any interest in the debate let's get it on.
why wait - tell me your thoughts and theories here and now - let getbig decide. ::)
you have had 9 pages to tell us your thoughts and ideas.
you are wasting my time i believe.
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healthy individuals rarely experience blood sugar "crash", even after the ingestion of large amounts of sugar(s).
did you know about this jim:
Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessards T, Anantharaman K, Flatt JP, Jeguier E. Glycogen synthesis versus lipogenesis after a 500g carbohydrate meal in man. Metabolism 1982;31:1234–40.[Medline]
Cliff notes please. ;D Is this study saying that people who consume large amounts of table sugar on a daily basis do not experience highs and lows when it comes to blood sugar levels?
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why wait - tell me your thoughts and theories here and now - let getbig decide. ::)
you have had 9 pages to tell us your thoughts and ideas.
you are wasting my time i believe.
Then I won't waste your time any longer, promise. ;)
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hahahahaha
(http://eknives.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/fishing.jpg)
Is that the best you can do? Really?
Lame. Fuck has GetBig hit the shitter.
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Cliff notes please. ;D Is this study saying that people who consume large amounts of table sugar on a daily basis do not experience highs and lows when it comes to blood sugar levels?
no it says that people can eat huge amounts of the most potent type of sugar and not experience any fat gains.
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no it says that people can eat huge amounts of the most potent type of sugar and not experience any fat gains.
Oh, well I can't disagree with that. I know a lot of skinny people who eat tons of sugar.
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Oh, well I can't disagree with that. I know a lot of skinny people who eat tons of sugar.
:) lol. im no even sure what your trying to argue with these guys dude. are you saying that carbohydrates provide zero benefit for building muscle and/or losing fat/retaining muscle..???
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I eat whatever I want and I don't get fat.
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:) lol. im no even sure what your trying to argue with these guys dude. are you saying that carbohydrates provide zero benefit for building muscle and/or losing fat/retaining muscle..???
I honestly don't know. ;D As far as carbs go I wouldn't say that no, but I personally can gain muscle on little carbs if I chose to and no, I do not recommend people eat like that in the off season.
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I honestly don't know. ;D As far as carbs go I wouldn't say that no, but I personally can gain muscle on little carbs if I chose to and no, I do not recommend people eat like that in the off season.
yeah. diet is over estimated anyways. your wrong about carbs not being very effective compared to fats, if thats your argument. but your also very right that it just doesnt matter too much ;D the most important elements are training and gear(s), without a doubt. the diet really doesnt matter so much so long as protein is decent and calories are about where they should be for the task at hand
alot of people do seem to be able to stay lean easier without carbs in the diet. so for them it does make sense to go low carb
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I started dieting last Wednesday and I am down from 210 to 199 already on a 2500 calorie diet with 100 to 130 grams of protein with the remainder basically "Junk" . My arms measure the same, I'm happy.
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yeah. diet is over estimated anyways. your wrong about carbs not being very effective compared to fats, if thats your argument. but your also very right that it just doesnt matter too much ;D the most important elements are training and gear(s), without a doubt. the diet really doesnt matter so much so long as protein is decent and calories are about where they should be for the task at hand
alot of people do seem to be able to stay lean easier without carbs in the diet. so for them it does make sense to go low carb
Agreed on all except I don't think that fats are more effective than carbs per say. In fact, I "use" carbs at certain times during the precontest phase and they are beneficial for a lot of reasons.
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I started dieting last Wednesday and I am down from 210 to 199 already on a 2500 calorie diet with 100 to 130 grams of protein with the remainder basically "Junk" . My arms measure the same, I'm happy.
That's it, I'm going with 400 cals of whey protein and 2100 cals worth of Reese Cups starting tomorrow. I'll be shredded by Christmas. ;D
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I started dieting last Wednesday and I am down from 210 to 199 already on a 2500 calorie diet with 100 to 130 grams of protein with the remainder basically "Junk" . My arms measure the same, I'm happy.
Any pics ? (no homo)
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That's it, I'm going with 400 cals of whey protein and 2100 cals worth of Reese Cups starting tomorrow. I'll be shredded by Christmas. ;D
Why do you have to be all or nothing with it?
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Why do you have to be all or nothing with it?
What do you mean by all or nothing?
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Any pics ? (no homo)
I will start taking pics ASAP. I only have a pathetic excuse for a camera phone but I can get one of my gym partners to fish out his camera.
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That's it, I'm going with 400 cals of whey protein and 2100 cals worth of Reese Cups starting tomorrow. I'll be shredded by Christmas. ;D
I know it's hard to believe, hell, I myself was a "purist" if you will for years before realising how unnecessarily hard I was taking it dieting. Physiologically speaking, a healthy average Joe is best off eating a more well rounded diet than a bodybuilding "cutting" diet as it is variety that gives us the trace minerals and nutrients that create a well oiled machine.
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I know it's hard to believe, hell, I myself was a "purist" if you will for years before realising how unnecessarily hard I was taking it dieting. Physiologically speaking, a healthy average Joe is best off eating a more well rounded diet than a bodybuilding "cutting" diet as it is variety that gives us the trace minerals and nutrients that create a well oiled machine.
Hey in all seriousness I hope you get shredded and it's cool that your eating what you want and losing fat. I wouldn't go as far as to say that a BB diet is unhealthy as there are so many different diets out there it would be unfair to categorize them all as unhealthy. Oh and I don't find it hard to believe at all that you are losing weight. Anyway, keep us posted and good luck.
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Who gives a sh!t about speaking, debates, and blah-blah. The best way is to prove it by showing how it's done, for example going from 20% bodyfat to 5% bodyfat and possibly even adding a few pounds of lean tissue.
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Agreed on all except I don't think that fats are more effective than carbs per say. In fact, I "use" carbs at certain times during the precontest phase and they are beneficial for a lot of reasons.
what times would you use carbs ? what reasons ?
you have already said insulin is worthless for muscle gains ::)