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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: ESFitness on February 05, 2014, 03:29:39 PM
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holy fuck.. after skipping a shot a week for the past couple weeks due to crazy post injection pain (3cc in the glute or delts of 400mg enan and deca isn't fun), I decieded I'd do ALL my weeks MG's in 1 day, rather than shooting twice a week, just so I wouldn't "forget" the 2nd shot.
so, put 1g enan in each lat, 1g in each delt, and 1g deca in each delt yesterday...
today = crazy anxiety :(
not a good idea... would not recommend it. lol. unless you have Xanax or something on hand (which I don't... will probably pick up some Norco tonight for the upcoming pain in my lats tonight and tomorrow though, which should help, but usually the anxiety will be gone by the 2nd or 3rd day post injection).
not. a. good. idea. :-\
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btw... that should be a "Thumbs down" on my thread-thingy. lol
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No doubt, I ran 3g of test and the first couple weeks were bad anxiety wise
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That water weight is going to be brutal (I like the word brutal-I only use it on GetBig?) I'm guessing? My face would swell up like a motherfuck.
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That water weight is going to be brutal (I like the word brutal-I only use it on GetBig?) I'm guessing? My face would swell up like a motherfuck.
I rarely use less than 2500-3g, but usually in split doses. 4g is "on" for me, 2g is crusing
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If my body, more specifically my face wasn't so susceptible to holding water, I could easily see myself using those doses.
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my back will go from looking like Dave Henry's to looking like Nassers in two weeks. lol
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I rarely use less than 2500-3g, but usually in split doses. 4g is "on" for me, 2g is crusing
2g is cruising!!!!! Yikes!!!! :o
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where do you find places for all that oil ???
have you ever pinned rear delts and random places like that?
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where do you find places for all that oil ???
have you ever pinned rear delts and random places like that?
I usually pin the part between the rear and mid delt, but they've been swollen lately so I've been putting it in the upper mid delt.. bad idea since I had some swelling move down to my brachs/biceps the past couple weeks.
my stuff is 400mg/ml so it's not that much oil, but I think the swelling that comes with 400mg/ml is worse than the larger amount of oil I'd have to shoot with lower mg/ml.
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Is it really worth it being on all that gear??
do you compete?
im in no way judging either btw.
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good question.
my health is fine. only time I've had kidney/liver/pancreas issues was when I was drinking when I was younger.
bp is on the high end of normal w/o meds... was higher when I was fatter and powerlifting when I "retired" from bbing, and was only running legit hrt... go figure.
got most my hair. no thinning on top, but the sides/temples/hairline has gone back about 1/2in maybe in the past 10yrs.... deffinetly not as far as dugdales or rockel's though.
I make about 1/2 my living based on how I look.... well, figure about 90% based on how I look. since I'm a walking billboard for #1 my services as a trainer/nutritionist, and #2 for my 'products'. Although, I could just be running 500 test and 500 deca and probably do just as much business. but, for now i'll push the envelope while I can. i'll most likely be "done" with the high dose stuff within 5yrs or so and just be running little "blast cruise" stuff. probably just maintain at 400mg/wk test and kick it up to 2g or so for 8 weeks when I'd have to get in "presentable" shape for whatever reason.
most the time I'm happy, but sometimes, especially with the soreness, I'm miserable. really sucks being sore all the time. not like "sore" when you put 1cc in a delt and can sometimes feel it if you move a certain way... I mean sore 24-7.. bad sore... limited range of motion sore... can't properly demonstrate a "Kettlebell Squat Press" in bootcamp sore... have a hard time getting down on the floor and back up sore..
it sucks. Tylenol helps a lil... ultram doesn't help at all.
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holy fuck.. after skipping a shot a week for the past couple weeks due to crazy post injection pain (3cc in the glute or delts of 400mg enan and deca isn't fun), I decieded I'd do ALL my weeks MG's in 1 day, rather than shooting twice a week, just so I wouldn't "forget" the 2nd shot.
so, put 1g enan in each lat, 1g in each delt, and 1g deca in each delt yesterday...
today = crazy anxiety :(
not a good idea... would not recommend it. lol. unless you have Xanax or something on hand (which I don't... will probably pick up some Norco tonight for the upcoming pain in my lats tonight and tomorrow though, which should help, but usually the anxiety will be gone by the 2nd or 3rd day post injection).
not. a. good. idea. :-\
Whos gear are you running if you dont mind me asking? I havent had PIP in a long time
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Injection pain comes from using improper injection technique first and foremost. If your injection technique is sterile then it comes from contaminated gear. Thirdly it may come from the quality of the oil solvent. Thick oils are more likely to produce pain.
In your case it may be due to the sheer volume you're injecting. However, I regularly inject 2.5cc (due to low conc oils) and don't experience pip at all.
I know I'm probably teaching you to suck eggs here, but the needle tip becomes desterilised the moment it touches anything. Even the bung of the vial you're drawing up from. I'm assuming you use two needles per shot, right? One to draw up and one to inject.
Do you clean the skin in a clockwise motion? You need to swab the skin from the point you intend to inject, and sweep outwards. It's a small point, but the temptation is to scrub the skin, but this technique may displace bacteria from a dirty area of the skin to the recently cleaned area (the point of injection).
Finally, if you're using alcohol swabs you should wait for the skin to dry, because the alcohol kills bacteria by dehydrating their cellular structure through evaporating moisture from the surface of the skin, rather than being directly lethal to the bacteria.
If your injection technique is sound, then consider switching brands. Ampoules are better than vials, as they are single use and shouldn't be contaminated unless the gear manufacturing process is non-sterile.
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Been doing 6cc's in left glute one day and 6 in the right the next day for about 8 weeks. I've had surprisingly little soreness. Gonna ride this train until I can't anymore.
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Injection pain comes from using improper injection technique first and foremost. If your injection technique is sterile then it comes from contaminated gear. Thirdly it may come from the quality of the oil solvent. Thick oils are more likely to produce pain.
In your case it may be due to the sheer volume you're injecting. However, I regularly inject 2.5cc (due to low conc oils) and don't experience pip at all.
I know I'm probably teaching you to suck eggs here, but the needle tip becomes desterilised the moment it touches anything. Even the bung of the vial you're drawing up from. I'm assuming you use two needles per shot, right? One to draw up and one to inject.
Do you clean the skin in a clockwise motion? You need to swab the skin from the point you intend to inject, and sweep outwards. It's a small point, but the temptation is to scrub the skin, but this technique may displace bacteria from a dirty area of the skin to the recently cleaned area (the point of injection).
Finally, if you're using alcohol swabs you should wait for the skin to dry, because the alcohol kills bacteria by dehydrating their cellular structure through evaporating moisture from the surface of the skin, rather than being directly lethal to the bacteria.
If your injection technique is sound, then consider switching brands. Ampoules are better than vials, as they are single use and shouldn't be contaminated unless the gear manufacturing process is non-sterile.
some of that is correct, but it doesn't apply my case.
the pain from my injections comes from the fact I'm using 400mg/ml test enan and 400mg/ml deca and I'm shooting 3cc in each site.
my gear is clean and sterile. after feeling the pain from the first dose I re-filtered through a .45 twice, then through a .22 into fresh, new and auto-claved 1000ml media bottles and baked.
the measurements are exact. 2% ba and 20% bb, same as always.
cutting the mix down to 200 or even 300mg/ml eliminates the pain 100%. (with baked and .22 filtered 2/20 GSO)
been doing this a long time. it's from high dose mg content, not un-sterile technique.
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nobody uses as much stuff as I have for as long as I have without knowing proper technique. lol... nevermind the nurses and PA's I've dated
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Do you get your estrogen levels checked a lot to see if your in the correct range or anything. I imagine it would be hard to control it using that much gear. Also does that much gear ever give you any lethargy or does it just super charge you?
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Do you get your estrogen levels checked a lot to see if your in the correct range or anything. I imagine it would be hard to control it using that much gear. Also does that much gear ever give you any lethargy or does it just super charge you?
haven't gotten estro checked in a while. I just judge by how I feel, I guess. 1mg 2-3x a week of adex works fine. no gyno, and I don't mind water retention unless I have an appearance. hold water in my back mostly, but my ankles are fine. face looks like a 'normal' face, just a lil 'thicker' I suppose. I don't get the moon-face some get, but my cheeks are somewhat round but I don't mind since it makes my dimples pop more. lol. I still have the dorian/levrone-type monkey face and I have good cheekbones and jaw, so it doesn't look bad as far as I'm concerned.
estro gets too low and my sex drive tanks.
hell, I haven't even been running any prami lately, and since dropping the tren completely I haven't had bad night sweats either.. except for one night/morning a week ago, but even then it was only about 25% as bad as I used to be.
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AI'S are way over used. Just because you up the dose doesn't mean you need to block more.
20mg Nolvadex
25mg Aromasin
or .5mg arimidex
should be all anyone ever needs.
The anti-prolactins are even worse...honestly to me, if you need those the just stay away from 19-nors. There's enough other stuff out there to run.
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Wtf
The actual drugs aren't the risk but the ancillary amount needed and all those injections are really not great.
I wish we could just Vape AAS and not have to use needles.
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Damn that's a crazy amount of oil!
I remember back when i was using high doses i used to shoot 3cc every day and thought that was nuts.
I'd probably have a panic attack the day after injecting all of that. lol
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Damn that's a crazy amount of oil!
I remember back when i was using high doses i used to shoot 3cc every day and thought that was nuts.
I'd probably have a panic attack the day after injecting all of that. lol
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it's actually only 15cc's. not bad at all.
back in the day I used to have to shoot 20cc's just to get 3.5g of test and 1g eq (quality vet enan and I believe denkall eq).
now I'm a lil worried that I have an abcess forming in my lat... both lats were soooooo fucking sore this weekend and my mobility was greatly decreased. gf wanted me to go to the er... and she's a med student with a couple yrs left. lol. now after 2 days of Percocet and vicodin (and tramadol and Tylenol), the pain is better (or masked, at least) and when I walk, I can feel the fluid "jiggle" under the skin around my obliques (fluid that's drained from my lats due to gravity), and there'a lump near my armpit, not near where I injected. makes me think of the "gunk" Nasser had removed from his armpits years ago.... and the area's hot. so I guess tomorrow i'll be asking around for anti-biotics and see if I can find some Keflex or something.
too bad, Monday is back-day for me... guess i'll just his biceps, since I can't get my arms overhead to do triceps either and pressing causes some pain my lat.
fucking hell.. bad idea. lol :-\
things like this are why I post.. lol... learn from my mistakes people. lol
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2g is cruising!!!!! Yikes!!!! :o
More like Holy shit!
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holy fuck.. after skipping a shot a week for the past couple weeks due to crazy post injection pain (3cc in the glute or delts of 400mg enan and deca isn't fun), I decieded I'd do ALL my weeks MG's in 1 day, rather than shooting twice a week, just so I wouldn't "forget" the 2nd shot.
so, put 1g enan in each lat, 1g in each delt, and 1g deca in each delt yesterday...
today = crazy anxiety :(
not a good idea... would not recommend it. lol. unless you have Xanax or something on hand (which I don't... will probably pick up some Norco tonight for the upcoming pain in my lats tonight and tomorrow though, which should help, but usually the anxiety will be gone by the 2nd or 3rd day post injection).
not. a. good. idea. :-\
I always have 1mg sandoz xanax on hand for anxiety related to daily life stress to tren anxiety/trensomnia. I didn't think you liked xanax? Xanax is porbably the most addictive dangerous prescription drug. I would say a straight week use of 2-4mg of xanax daily and you will be addicted, but if you just need to use it for a few days and just use 1mg before bed or 2mg -1mg after your work-out and one tab before bed you will be fine if it is just a 2 days of usage.
I can vouch that xanax is a miracle drug(probably the best drug ever created as it works exactly hpow it should for people with panic attacks and anxiety-also insomnia) xanax also has muscle relaxant propertys and will lay you out real nicely! It is by far the best Benzodiazepam meaning better then valium,klonopin,ativan. The problem with xanax is it really is more addictive then heroin even though it is just ingested it has a 90% bioavailability.
If you take xanax for a few months in a row and just run out you could possibly die! xanax withdrawal can cause seizures that wiwhy the drug is more dangerous then heroin(the withdrawals are far more brutal) You can't die from opiate withdrawal. You will fill awful but nothing like xanax withdrawal. I believe ESFitness knows all this but just putting this up for people who do not know much about xanax. xanax is a miracle drug as long as you take them as prescribed and making sure you don't come close to running out(this goes for all benzos, but especially xanax). It is the most addictive benzo due to the fact it has the shortest half life out of all the other benzos). I have been prescribed all of them at one point, xanax is definately the king of them all. I have been using xanax for 6 years straight.
I like recommending it for Trensomnia or when you get real close to comp time and your body is on heavy amounts of Tren and halo and really androgenic drugs it will help you sleep. You will just pass out and forget about eating,instead of pacing around a hotel room crying because you cannot eat much of anything. Xanax is a great drug to have around. very hard to get prescribed. I had to go to a psychiatrist to get xanax prescribed, the furthest the doctors would go was valium,konopin and ativan not all at once but they try you out on each drug for a month and see how you do for xanax they refer you to a psych doctor.
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picture of xanax and oxys. I could buy a house with the worth of this score.
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picture of xanax and oxys, this is where you have to be products like this are worth way more then gold gram verse gram! A gram of oxycodone HCL is probably at least 100 times more expensive then a gram of gold.Big business and good medications if you know how to use them. I just started using subutex about a month ago and have been opiate clean. I still take xanax though. Everything is prescribed. I go to a Pain clinic that is hard to get into.
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haven't gotten estro checked in a while. I just judge by how I feel, I guess. 1mg 2-3x a week of adex works fine. no gyno, and I don't mind water retention unless I have an appearance. hold water in my back mostly, but my ankles are fine. face looks like a 'normal' face, just a lil 'thicker' I suppose. I don't get the moon-face some get, but my cheeks are somewhat round but I don't mind since it makes my dimples pop more. lol. I still have the dorian/levrone-type monkey face and I have good cheekbones and jaw, so it doesn't look bad as far as I'm concerned.
estro gets too low and my sex drive tanks.
hell, I haven't even been running any prami lately, and since dropping the tren completely I haven't had bad night sweats either.. except for one night/morning a week ago, but even then it was only about 25% as bad as I used to be.
I'm curious what your lipids look like at those doses. I'd be somewhat worried about developing plaque in my arteries. A lot of guys on heavy doses seem to be getting heart issues.
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How often do you throw in tren bro?
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How often do you throw in tren bro?
typically i'll switch from deca to npp for 6 weeks or so, then cut the npp in half and add in tren at a half dose for 4 weeks or so, then cut the npp and double the tren for about 6 weeks.
I add in tren when I have an appearance where I gotta be learn and hard and separated.
correction, I ONLY use tren if/when I have an appearance to make, or I need to be lean and hard.
"offseason" (I'm not competing, so I guess it's all 'offseason'. lol), I can't gain weight on tren, so I don't use it.
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what about orals and your experience? longest time use dbol i.e.?
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I'm curious what your lipids look like at those doses. I'd be somewhat worried about developing plaque in my arteries. A lot of guys on heavy doses seem to be getting heart issues.
I am also curious about this question.
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what about orals and your experience? longest time use dbol i.e.?
Curious about this as well. ;D
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what about orals and your experience? longest time use dbol i.e.?
I'd say 6 months or so, probably 9.
actually, I got bloodwork after 9 months of 100-150mg/day anadrol and my liver enzymes were only a lil elevated.. maybe double 'normal' or so. actually, I believe one was about 50% less than the other (ast/alt). nothing I was worried or surprised about. dbol about 6 months at 100mg-200mg/day...
my cholesterol has never been 'high' surprisingly, considering my diet.
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ESF, what happens if you come into contact with kryptonite?
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I'd say 6 months or so, probably 9.
actually, I got bloodwork after 9 months of 100-150mg/day anadrol and my liver enzymes were only a lil elevated.. maybe double 'normal' or so. actually, I believe one was about 50% less than the other (ast/alt). nothing I was worried or surprised about. dbol about 6 months at 100mg-200mg/day...
my cholesterol has never been 'high' surprisingly, considering my diet.
ouch! thats along time! why go on for that long if you don't compete? just to draw in clients? I know that works. The biggest juicer at my gym is african american and fucking huge! He has client after client! women,men,young and old. The dude is fucking busy training people!
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nobody uses as much stuff as I have for as long as I have without knowing proper technique. lol... nevermind the nurses and PA's I've dated
Are you not Dorian Yates maybe? ;D
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Are you not Dorian Yates maybe? ;D
nah, I wear a panerai, not a gold rolex Daytona. lol... only rolex's I have are submariner's and GMT's. and they're stainless steel. I'd never wear a gold Daytona. ;)
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I'd say 6 months or so, probably 9.
actually, I got bloodwork after 9 months of 100-150mg/day anadrol and my liver enzymes were only a lil elevated.. maybe double 'normal' or so. actually, I believe one was about 50% less than the other (ast/alt). nothing I was worried or surprised about. dbol about 6 months at 100mg-200mg/day...
my cholesterol has never been 'high' surprisingly, considering my diet.
Thanks for info. I think worse ast/alt is after few hours after hard train or by drink a lot of alco than after take orals...
And 2nd question to you ESF :D Your opinion about abusers tren? I'm something like 6 months straight on 700mg week acet dose...
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Ever ran eq + deca ES?
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Thanks for info. I think worse ast/alt is after few hours after hard train or by drink a lot of alco than after take orals...
And 2nd question to you ESF :D Your opinion about abusers tren? I'm something like 6 months straight on 700mg week acet dose...
Test your igf1 , dht and shbg and post the results here.
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igf1 up, dht down, shbg down? I don't know... I think i will be not try it :P I asked becouse i saw that a lot of people like tren and use it a long time.
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picture of xanax and oxys, this is where you have to be products like this are worth way more then gold gram verse gram! A gram of oxycodone HCL is probably at least 100 times more expensive then a gram of gold.Big business and good medications if you know how to use them. I just started using subutex about a month ago and have been opiate clean. I still take xanax though. Everything is prescribed. I go to a Pain clinic that is hard to get into.
A gram of oxy powder is just like $10, straight from china
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@ESF
A friend of mine is doing the following combo
1000 mgr Test
2000 mgr Tren
1000 mg Equipose
2000 mg Tren what do you think? insane?
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Ever ran eq + deca ES?
yea, but it was many years ago, and not with high dose deca. probably around 500 deca.
not a fan of eq. ran it for a year or so at 1g/wk and was not impressed. haven't run it since.
I've been tempted lately to give it another try though, probably at 2g/wk, but I'm leary of the anxiety it may bring.
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Thanks for info. I think worse ast/alt is after few hours after hard train or by drink a lot of alco than after take orals...
And 2nd question to you ESF :D Your opinion about abusers tren? I'm something like 6 months straight on 700mg week acet dose...
I've run tren for a year straight with doses ranging from 300-900mg/wk. kinda recently also.. within the past couple years probably.
I ran tren between 400-700mg/wk for 9 months along with the anadrol at 100-200 (actually I think it was upwards of 250-300mg/day) and got bloodwork that didn't scare me.. ast/alt was about double 'normal'.. back when I was drinking I've had bloodwork that was at least 3x that, maybe 4x (I just woke up, can't figure the math. lol).. course that was when I was 22/23 or so and I haven't drank in years, aside from about 3/4 of a bottle of beer with sushi about once every 2 months.
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@ESF
A friend of mine is doing the following combo
1000 mgr Test
2000 mgr Tren
1000 mg Equipose
2000 mg Tren what do you think? insane?
depends on what his goal is... how he wants to look.
I don't think it's insane, but I think the upper-limit for tren is in the 1400 range, but everybody's different. personally, at the dose of tren, I think the eq is pointless, unless he's using it for sex-drive. but, everybody's different. I've been tempted to do something similar lately, just to give eq another try. probably at 1g test, 2g eq and 2100 tren (300/day).
of course, I'd probably try it with eq acetate though. instead of conventional eq undeconate/undecylenate(think I spelled that wrong. lol)
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Ever ran eq + deca ES?
I have, 1200mg of each with just a bit more then that in test. Nice combo, very vascular while gaining some size
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depends on what his goal is... how he wants to look.
I don't think it's insane, but I think the upper-limit for tren is in the 1400 range, but everybody's different. personally, at the dose of tren, I think the eq is pointless, unless he's using it for sex-drive. but, everybody's different. I've been tempted to do something similar lately, just to give eq another try. probably at 1g test, 2g eq and 2100 tren (300/day).
of course, I'd probably try it with eq acetate though. instead of conventional eq undeconate/undecylenate(think I spelled that wrong. lol)
too much tren doesn't put on size in my experience. A gram to 1.2 tops and u have to be eating! Better to run nice dose of test with some deca and nice dose of eq (keeps u hungry and makes u look good)
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nobody uses as much stuff as I have for as long as I have without knowing proper technique. lol... nevermind the nurses and PA's I've dated
Just checking dude. Sorry if I offended :).
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depends on what his goal is... how he wants to look.
I don't think it's insane, but I think the upper-limit for tren is in the 1400 range, but everybody's different. personally, at the dose of tren, I think the eq is pointless, unless he's using it for sex-drive. but, everybody's different. I've been tempted to do something similar lately, just to give eq another try. probably at 1g test, 2g eq and 2100 tren (300/day).
of course, I'd probably try it with eq acetate though. instead of conventional eq undeconate/undecylenate(think I spelled that wrong. lol)
He wants to use it for his own, so no contest ambitions.
Thanks for your reply
2 gr Equipose :o your blood will be thick as oil :o :-\
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depends on what his goal is... how he wants to look.
I don't think it's insane, but I think the upper-limit for tren is in the 1400 range, but everybody's different. personally, at the dose of tren, I think the eq is pointless, unless he's using it for sex-drive. but, everybody's different. I've been tempted to do something similar lately, just to give eq another try. probably at 1g test, 2g eq and 2100 tren (300/day).
of course, I'd probably try it with eq acetate though. instead of conventional eq undeconate/undecylenate(think I spelled that wrong. lol)
Hmm for it is not so much i think hehehehe ;D
I miss the orals!?
How long will be the cycle? 30 weeks? ::)
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I wish whitewidow didn't randomly break out into drugged up rants about the narcotics he's on in good threads and post the same four photos of shitloads of junkie drugs, with his justifications for being wrecked stoned all the time
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most guys on that much gear take atleast some type of anti anxiety medication... look into it even try GABA
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Also want to mention I have no idea how you managed to shoot your rear delts...?? seems impossible unless u have someone else pushing the plunger for you
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Also want to mention I have no idea how you managed to shoot your rear delts...?? seems impossible unless u have someone else pushing the plunger for you
you need to stick it in then lean against a wall
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I wish whitewidow didn't randomly break out into drugged up rants about the narcotics he's on in good threads and post the same four photos of shitloads of junkie drugs, with his justifications for being wrecked stoned all the time
well if you have anxiety from taking a huge amount of steroids xanax does help.Why suffer?
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Also want to mention I have no idea how you managed to shoot your rear delts...?? seems impossible unless u have someone else pushing the plunger for you
actually when I was at my biggest years ago I could hit rear delts pretty easy.. well, not easy, but I could do it. but now, I'm still down about 25lbs from that size... hell, even when I'm down 35lbs from that size, I have a very hard time and usually have to have somebody do it for me.
scar tissue buildup in the muscle as well as the joint I suppose. maybe one of these weekends i'll pay a visit to derrick Farnsworth for ART or something. especially since I've been having trouble pulling my lats out for the past year or so.
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most guys on that much gear take atleast some type of anti anxiety medication... look into it even try GABA
anxiety meds always fuck with my workouts.. hell, they fuck with my whole day. I'm not a fan at all.
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I rarely use less than 2500-3g, but usually in split doses. 4g is "on" for me, 2g is crusing
Lol, 450mgs is on for me 250mgs cruising.
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L-theanine - by far best supplement for anxiety i've tried; with no side effects
kava kava - works but makes you sleepy
prescription shit often does more harm than good
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@ESF
A friend of mine is doing the following combo
1000 mgr Test
2000 mgr Tren
1000 mg Equipose
2000 mg Tren what do you think? insane?
hows he look?
let me guess looks like shit
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L-theanine - by far best supplement for anxiety i've tried; with no side effects
kava kava - works but makes you sleepy
prescription shit often does more harm than good
agree. really bad anxiety can be brutal though. fuck pharm companies lol
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My work-outs go better if I take a small 1mg dose of xanax. I don;t feel so hyped up and my muscles don't tend to feel so stiff.I'm a little more friendly to the staff and other members as well. You have to have a tolerance though ,you just can't take 1mg of xanax with no tolerance and go work-out. most dudes would pass out in the car on the way to the gym. 1mg to me is nothing just enough to calm me down a bit. I have a real high Test level and I can't even concentrate sometimes cause of all the hot women in the gym. I just keep looking at the bouncing booty on the olyptical machines ;D I just want to fuck all the women is all I think about when I get to the gym. If on the xanax I can concentrate on my work-out ALOT better. I'm one of those guys who needs to be numbed out a little. I can also get real violent if somebody pisses me off. The xanax has probably kept me out of jail.
After my work-out I eat and pop more pills ;D. I'm off the opiates these days but still on the xanax.
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My work-outs go better if I take a small 1mg dose of xanax. I don;t feel so hyped up and my muscles don't tend to feel so stiff.I'm a little more friendly to the staff and other members as well. You have to have a tolerance though ,you just can't take 1mg of xanax with no tolerance and go work-out. most dudes would pass out in the car on the way to the gym. 1mg to me is nothing just enough to calm me down a bit. I have a real high Test level and I can't even concentrate sometimes cause of all the hot women in the gym. I just keep looking at the bouncing booty on the olyptical machines ;D I just want to fuck all the women is all I think about when I get to the gym. If on the xanax I can concentrate on my work-out ALOT better. I'm one of those guys who needs to be numbed out a little. I can also get real violent if somebody pisses me off. The xanax has probably kept me out of jail.
After my work-out I eat and pop more pills ;D. I'm off the opiates these days but still on the xanax.
coming off of xanax is unpleasant. you'd be better of smoking weed.
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coming off of xanax is unpleasant. you'd be better of smoking weed.
coming off of xanax is impossible for me! I get prescribed 6mg a day! No way in hell anyone could taper off of 6mg a day. that would take years! I honestly used to smoke alot of weed but I had to quit so I could pass the UA's I had to take for my pain contract and for the xanax. I wish I never stopped smoking weed because it does help(big mistake that I regret).
I admit I got ahold of alot of Sandoz/Upjohn xanax 2mg bars and I didn't really know how addictive they were.I would take 1mg before a workout and then eat and then pop 2mg of xanax and then smoke a little weed. sometimes I fell asleep in my car! Anyway I went from taking maybe 2-3mg of xanax a day to 8mg a day. I ran out one day and felt awful! I didn"t know what the fuck was wrong.I had hit legs really hard the day prior so i thought it was just the workout because my legs were throbbing and I felt like I had restless leg syndrome.
I really never had so much discomfort from a leg workout so I asked a friend what he though and he said it was because I was going through minor xanax withdrawal and I better get more fast before I really got sick. Thats when I went to a doctor and told him what was going on and got a prescription for ativan. He made wouldn;t prescribe xanax to anybody that was kaisers policy. The doc said I had to go see a psych doctor to get xanax, so I eventually did. The xanax is nice to have around but if I were to do it all over I would of just stuck to weed. I also should of done more research on the xanax before I started using it. I totally underestimated it. I have gone through opiate withdrawals but honestly the xanax withdrawals were worse.
xanax is a miracle drug to alot of people and can be used safely but only in doses of 1-2mg when you really have anxiety or feel overwhelmed. I just fucked up and didn't research it properly and I bought it from the blackmarket before I had a presciption so there were no directions.
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coming off of xanax is impossible for me! I get prescribed 6mg a day! No way in hell anyone could taper off of 6mg a day. that would take years! I honestly used to smoke alot of weed but I had to quit so I could pass the UA's I had to take for my pain contract and for the xanax. I wish I never stopped smoking weed because it does help(big mistake that I regret).
I admit I got ahold of alot of Sandoz/Upjohn xanax 2mg bars and I didn't really know how addictive they were.I would take 1mg before a workout and then eat and then pop 2mg of xanax and then smoke a little weed. sometimes I fell asleep in my car! Anyway I went from taking maybe 2-3mg of xanax a day to 8mg a day. I ran out one day and felt awful! I didn"t know what the fuck was wrong.I had hit legs really hard the day prior so i thought it was just the workout because my legs were throbbing and I felt like I had restless leg syndrome.
I really never had so much discomfort from a leg workout so I asked a friend what he though and he said it was because I was going through minor xanax withdrawal and I better get more fast before I really got sick. Thats when I went to a doctor and told him what was going on and got a prescription for ativan. He made wouldn;t prescribe xanax to anybody that was kaisers policy. The doc said I had to go see a psych doctor to get xanax, so I eventually did. The xanax is nice to have around but if I were to do it all over I would of just stuck to weed. I also should of done more research on the xanax before I started using it. I totally underestimated it. I have gone through opiate withdrawals but honestly the xanax withdrawals were worse.
xanax is a miracle drug to alot of people and can be used safely but only in doses of 1-2mg when you really have anxiety or feel overwhelmed. I just fucked up and didn't research it properly and I bought it from the blackmarket before I had a presciption so there were no directions.
I'd taper the Xanax and add klonopin. klonopin is easier to taper than Xanax.
or try spreading your doses out more and more and either use alcohol to potentiate the effects of the smaller dosage, or try to incorporate ghb in place of the benzo.... not wise to mix the ghb and benzo though, you'll fall asleep and stop breathing.
if I can mitigate the effects of 2L per day vodka withdrawl, you can do the same with 6mg/day Xanax withdrawl. just takes a little thinking.
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@ESF
A friend of mine is doing the following combo
1000 mgr Test
2000 mgr Tren
1000 mg Equipose
2000 mg Tren what do you think? insane?
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I get the impression that a lot of the people who take drugs to "aid" their workout or recovery just like getting high
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coming off of xanax is impossible for me! I get prescribed 6mg a day! No way in hell anyone could taper off of 6mg a day. that would take years! I honestly used to smoke alot of weed but I had to quit so I could pass the UA's I had to take for my pain contract and for the xanax. I wish I never stopped smoking weed because it does help(big mistake that I regret).
I admit I got ahold of alot of Sandoz/Upjohn xanax 2mg bars and I didn't really know how addictive they were.I would take 1mg before a workout and then eat and then pop 2mg of xanax and then smoke a little weed. sometimes I fell asleep in my car! Anyway I went from taking maybe 2-3mg of xanax a day to 8mg a day. I ran out one day and felt awful! I didn"t know what the fuck was wrong.I had hit legs really hard the day prior so i thought it was just the workout because my legs were throbbing and I felt like I had restless leg syndrome.
I really never had so much discomfort from a leg workout so I asked a friend what he though and he said it was because I was going through minor xanax withdrawal and I better get more fast before I really got sick. Thats when I went to a doctor and told him what was going on and got a prescription for ativan. He made wouldn;t prescribe xanax to anybody that was kaisers policy. The doc said I had to go see a psych doctor to get xanax, so I eventually did. The xanax is nice to have around but if I were to do it all over I would of just stuck to weed. I also should of done more research on the xanax before I started using it. I totally underestimated it. I have gone through opiate withdrawals but honestly the xanax withdrawals were worse.
xanax is a miracle drug to alot of people and can be used safely but only in doses of 1-2mg when you really have anxiety or feel overwhelmed. I just fucked up and didn't research it properly and I bought it from the blackmarket before I had a presciption so there were no directions.
that sucks
sorry for calling you a junkie, that was uncalled for
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I'd taper the Xanax and add klonopin. klonopin is easier to taper than Xanax.
or try spreading your doses out more and more and either use alcohol to potentiate the effects of the smaller dosage, or try to incorporate ghb in place of the benzo.... not wise to mix the ghb and benzo though, you'll fall asleep and stop breathing.
if I can mitigate the effects of 2L per day vodka withdrawl, you can do the same with 6mg/day Xanax withdrawl. just takes a little thinking.
The using Klonopin or ativan logic would seem to make sense but the problem is xanax is the most potent benzo it hits several gaba receptors all the other benzos like klonopin,ativan,valium only hit one gaba receptor. That is why if you ran out of xanax and took a klonopin it would barely work once your brain is used to xanax. Drinkng vodka is not going to work maybe help a bit then you have might have cross addiction problems. Only way is to slowly taper off the xanax and to do that safely you get cutt 2-4 pills a month so it would seriously take years. Even then you would always need at least 2 a day.
I have exhausted the options . I am fucked in so many words. I knew once the psych dr. saw it my way and was going to give me 6mg of xanax a day that this was a life long commitment. I actually do need the drug I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety dissorder. It does help me in alot of ways. I do get way to overwhelmed in many situations( in example I have real high testosterone level wich can cause anxiety) like I said above I can barely focus at the gym sometimes fine women everywhere, get to aggressive with the weights, and I do run very hot so having me a little numbed out is probably not bad of an idea. I can get pretty wild.I don't want to quit the xanax. I kicked the oxycodone wich is really what I didn't need at my age especially in the amounts I was taking them in.
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coming off of xanax is impossible for me! I get prescribed 6mg a day! No way in hell anyone could taper off of 6mg a day. that would take years! I honestly used to smoke alot of weed but I had to quit so I could pass the UA's I had to take for my pain contract and for the xanax. I wish I never stopped smoking weed because it does help(big mistake that I regret).
I admit I got ahold of alot of Sandoz/Upjohn xanax 2mg bars and I didn't really know how addictive they were.I would take 1mg before a workout and then eat and then pop 2mg of xanax and then smoke a little weed. sometimes I fell asleep in my car! Anyway I went from taking maybe 2-3mg of xanax a day to 8mg a day. I ran out one day and felt awful! I didn"t know what the fuck was wrong.I had hit legs really hard the day prior so i thought it was just the workout because my legs were throbbing and I felt like I had restless leg syndrome.
I really never had so much discomfort from a leg workout so I asked a friend what he though and he said it was because I was going through minor xanax withdrawal and I better get more fast before I really got sick. Thats when I went to a doctor and told him what was going on and got a prescription for ativan. He made wouldn;t prescribe xanax to anybody that was kaisers policy. The doc said I had to go see a psych doctor to get xanax, so I eventually did. The xanax is nice to have around but if I were to do it all over I would of just stuck to weed. I also should of done more research on the xanax before I started using it. I totally underestimated it. I have gone through opiate withdrawals but honestly the xanax withdrawals were worse.
xanax is a miracle drug to alot of people and can be used safely but only in doses of 1-2mg when you really have anxiety or feel overwhelmed. I just fucked up and didn't research it properly and I bought it from the blackmarket before I had a presciption so there were no directions.
i used to take xanax (at night to sleep) and i came off, not a high dose though. then i switched to ambien. i'm off everything now. weed would make tapering down much easier. i would also use L-theanine if i were you. long term xanax use cannot be good. you can do it gradually
hows he look?
let me guess looks like shit
i would guess that he's putting on muscle faster than a baby rhino, but he'll have the lifespan of a rhino too
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i used to take xanax (at night to sleep) and i came off, not a high dose though. then i switched to ambien. i'm off everything now. weed would make tapering down much easier. i would also use L-theanine if i were you. long term xanax use cannot be good. you can do it gradually
i would guess that he's putting on muscle faster than a baby rhino, but he'll have the lifespan of a rhino too
I dont' think weed would take care of the very likely risk of seizures during benzo withdrawal. may help with the physiological withdrawal, but he'll still probably have a seizure unless he's using klonopin or drinking booze.
ghb would be tricky as well. while it's working, he'll be fine, but after 4hours he'll get the dopamine rebound and very very likely have a seizure or heart attack or at the very least a pretty bad anxiety attack (hyper ventilate and pass-out kind of anxiety attack).
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I dont' think weed would take care of the very likely risk of seizures during benzo withdrawal. may help with the physiological withdrawal, but he'll still probably have a seizure unless he's using klonopin or drinking booze.
ghb would be tricky as well. while it's working, he'll be fine, but after 4hours he'll get the dopamine rebound and very very likely have a seizure or heart attack or at the very least a pretty bad anxiety attack (hyper ventilate and pass-out kind of anxiety attack).
If I were really going to try to get off 6mg of xanax a day. ESfitness is right. The klonopin is a anti-anxiety/anti-convulsent so there would be no way I would have a seizure. I would have to slowly taper off the xanax till I got down till around 2-4mg and then switch to klonopin and taper down from the klonopin. Drinking booze won;t help because if you get in a xanax withdrawal stage everything tastes horrible! It would be hard to keep down alcohol. Beer tastes awful when your going through a xanax withdrawal.
I'm not even trying to get off the xanax it helps alot. I quit the opiates that was hard enough. I have a legit reason to be on xanax and It does not interfere with working out or lower test levels. The opiates are what fuck your test levels up.
My whole point of the thread is if your having anxiety from steroids wich I have had the best thing that worked was xanax or some benzo. I just got to out of hand but that does not mean you cannot use them without getting addicted. xanax or benzos can help greatly in a cycle where the doses are super high and your using alot of cutting drugs or stimulants.