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ouch! when was this pic taken? by paramedics?
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clearly he slammed his head into the ground after shooting that harmless upstanding young man.
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clearly he slammed his head into the ground after shooting that harmless upstanding young man.
And punched himself in the nose.
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i am wondering why it wasn't released earlier.
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i guess if he would have stayed in his truck like the police told him to do he wouldn't have got the shit beat out of him and wouldn't be in trouble :o
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i am wondering why it wasn't released earlier.
Im betting it was sealed especially if it was taken by a police/EMS personnel.
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i guess if he would have stayed in his truck like the police told him to do he wouldn't have got the shit beat out of him and wouldn't be in trouble :o
yup agreed he is a dumb shit who shouldnt followed that kid and then turned around and walked back to his truck before being confronted.
what illegal act did he commit now?
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ouch! when was this pic taken? by paramedics?
It was taken by the cop on the scene. Is he on the take, too?
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yup agreed he is a dumb shit who shouldnt followed that kid and then turned around and walked back to his truck before being confronted.
what illegal act did he commit now?
should have stayed in his truck,he called the police that's all he had to do
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should have stayed in his truck,he called the police that's all he had to do
agreed he is a dumb ass, now what law did he break?
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which getbiggers claimed zimm sustained no injuries? link?
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agreed he is a dumb ass, now what law did he break?
who said he broke a law ??? if he stayed in his truck he would be enjoying christmas right now
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agreed he is a dumb ass, now what law did he break?
it is perfectly legal for me to strap on twin glocks, walk thru a poor neighborhood, and discuss random sex acts I had with people's dead grandmothers - until someone knocks me down.
Then I can shoot their head off.
It's legal. And it's not right, and it's open for abuse.
So the jury will probably convict zimm of a charge that is not within the law, but that'll be the case anyway because he did chase the kid thru the dark for 2 blocks with a gun.
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240 still lying. Carry on.
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agreed he is a dumb ass, now what law did he break?
None that I've heard.
That picture is further evidence that Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman.
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that's why they call it neighborhood watch,not neighborhood confront
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it is perfectly legal for me to strap on twin glocks, walk thru a poor neighborhood, and discuss random sex acts I had with people's dead grandmothers - until someone knocks me down.
Then I can shoot their head off.
It's legal. And it's not right, and it's open for abuse.
So the jury will probably convict zimm of a charge that is not within the law, but that'll be the case anyway because he did chase the kid thru the dark for 2 blocks with a gun.
He followed a suspected burglar with his gun hidden as it was a concealed carry and then started to return to his truck and was confronted you mean right?
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that's why they call it neighborhood watch,not neighborhood confront
haha either way he didnt do anything wrong so whats your beef?
he was a dumb ass, so was trayvon for fighting him...two dumbasses get in a fight and stupid shit is bound to happen.
chalk it up to stupidity on both parts and move on.
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well except one is dead,and the other is out on bail,whether he did something wrong is yet to be determined
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well except on is dead,and the other is out on bail,whether he did something wrong is yet to be determined
that type of shit happens when you put two dumb asses together, can you admit that trayvon was a dumb ass in this situation as well blacken?
after all he confronted and beat up zimmerman, I mean if he had kept his cool and not been a dumb ass both would be enjoying Christmas right now.
If you put two idiots togther some idiotic shit will ensue...
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well we know zimm got his ass kicked,but we really don't know who started it
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He followed a suspected burglar with his gun hidden as it was a concealed carry and then started to return to his truck and was confronted you mean right?
where is the evidence he was returning to his truck? Aside from his word? We know he traveled at least 2 blocks, as the dead kid was found two blocks from the truck.
What evidence is there, that zimm was returning to his truck? Is it on the 911 tape? Is it just his word?
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well we know zimm got his ass kicked,but we really don't know who started it
Doesn't matter who started it.
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after all he confronted and beat up zimmerman
Where is the evidence that trayvon was the one doing the confronting? Just zimm's word?
Cause its a bit of a logic fail - trayvon is scared enough to run two blocks to get away, then decides to completely reverse course and attack?
On the other hand, what about the theory zimm ran two blocks and caught him? Makes a lot more sense.
I mean, trayvon was scared enough to run two blocks, then suddenly brave enough to attack?
And zimm was brave enough to chase someone 'on drugs with something in his waistband' two blocks - then suddenly scared as a defenseless victim?
Jury ain't gooa buy that one.
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where is the evidence he was returning to his truck? Aside from his word? We know he traveled at least 2 blocks, as the dead kid was found two blocks from the truck.
What evidence is there, that zimm was returning to his truck? Is it on the 911 tape? Is it just his word?
what evidence do you have that he confronted trayvon?
what evidence do you have that he was brandishing his pistol?
what youre the only one who can assume things now? ;)
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Doesn't matter who started it.
correct. it's a messed up law. I can chase a stranger 2 blocks, start a fight, start losing the fight, then blast him. And it's legal.
And the jury would convict my ass DESPITE the law.
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what evidence do you have that he confronted trayvon?
what evidence do you have that he was brandishing his pistol?
what youre the only one who can assume things now? ;)
jury won't believe zimm - he was exaggerating shit on the phone. he's an exaggerator, they'll see that.
If YOU would bet the rent check that zimm suddenly changed course, and trayvon suddenly did too, that's cool. I don't buy it. Zimm chased, zimm admitted trayvon ran. I can't disprove any statement zimm creates, but the jury sure can disregard it as bullshit from a non-credible shooter ;)
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tony, do you believe the jury has to acquit because the prosecutor can't disprove zimm's statement?
I think that's what you're saying. Not the case. Defenses deliver all sorts of theories and claims all the time. Some true, some false.
Jury will decide if he's lying. I think they'll convict him because they think he's lying. I think he did challenge trayvon, demand ID or try to detain, then took an ass-whooping. And I think anyone who lies about 1% of a totally justified shoot belongs in prison. Tell the truth, or go to prison. I believe it was a legal shoot but he surrounded it with so many little lies and exaggerations that he'll do time.
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correct. it's a messed up law. I can chase a stranger 2 blocks, start a fight, start losing the fight, then blast him. And it's legal.
And the jury would convict my ass DESPITE the law.
It's not messed up at all. You don't have the right to kill someone because they start a fight with you. This isn't the 1800s Wild Wild West.
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It's not messed up at all. You don't have the right to kill someone because they start a fight with you. This isn't the 1800s Wild Wild West.
Yes, yes you do - IF you can claim you feared for your life.
I can walk my 130 pound ass onto your porch, take a shit on your doormat, then when you walk out 280 pounds of muscle -
I can claim I have a weak heart and I feared for my life and I shot you. And it's legal, but it's up to the jury to decide if credible threat.
It's a really vague law that I don't like. I like more exacts.
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Yes, yes you do - IF you can claim you feared for your life.
I can walk my 130 pound ass onto your porch, take a shit on your doormat, then when you walk out 280 pounds of muscle -
I can claim I have a weak heart and I feared for my life and I shot you. And it's legal, but it's up to the jury to decide if credible threat.
It's a really vague law that I don't like. I like more exacts.
No, that stupid hypothetical will never happen. You watch too much TV.
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It's not messed up at all. You don't have the right to kill someone because they start a fight with you. This isn't the 1800s Wild Wild West.
so you think zimm is guilty
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No, that stupid hypothetical will never happen. You watch too much TV.
That hypothetical can happen. A little old lady can shoot a huge bodybuilder who hasen't touched her - because she felt threatened and had a bad ticker.
It's the law, and it's a little vague for my tastes.
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It's not messed up at all. You don't have the right to kill someone because they start a fight with you. This isn't the 1800s Wild Wild West.
You're right, you just have to feel your life is being threatened, and that's very subjective.
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jury won't believe zimm - he was exaggerating shit on the phone. he's an exaggerator, they'll see that.
If YOU would bet the rent check that zimm suddenly changed course, and trayvon suddenly did too, that's cool. I don't buy it. Zimm chased, zimm admitted trayvon ran. I can't disprove any statement zimm creates, but the jury sure can disregard it as bullshit from a non-credible shooter ;)
whats the burden of proof in a case like this 240?
we know that at the very least zimmerman was telling the truth on part of his story as his has witnessess to corroberate his story.
So youre saying that he lied about parts of it but not all of it then?
again whats the burden of proof in a case like this 240?
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so you think zimm is guilty
Based on what I have seen and read so far, I think he acted in self defense.
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Didn't we already have this discussion about a thousand times?
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Didn't we already have this discussion about a thousand times?
all us lawyers on getbig are discussing our case ;D
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whats the burden of proof in a case like this 240?
we know that at the very least zimmerman was telling the truth on part of his story as his has witnessess to corroberate his story.
So youre saying that he lied about parts of it but not all of it then?
again whats the burden of proof in a case like this 240?
The burder of proof varies from jury to jury, dude. You know that. Defenses try all sorts of narratives of what happened. The prosecutor doesn't have to "disprove" anything. The prosecution will say "Zimm admitted he was chasing and Trayvon was running. Two blocks later, he caught him. We don't know who swung first, but we do know zimm took 1-3 injuries and trayvon took a bullet."
Then they will ask the jurors what they would do if they were 17, and an armed man had just chased them two blocks in the dark with a gun.
Then they'll remind jurors that when you're as scared as trayvon must have been, the instinct of any of us would be to first punch the armed man doing the chasing - trayvon was just standing his ground, unarmed against an armed attacker.
At this point, defense can try to tell jury that zimmerman was being chased by trayvon, but he sure won't take the stand to explain it ;)
Jury will have to decide who they believe. Prosecutor will say "If you believe the armed man calling a teenager an asshole while chasing him 2 blocks in the dark despite police directive, vote not guilty".
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You're right, you just have to feel your life is being threatened, and that's very subjective.
Not entirely subjective. If you have a situation like Zimmerman's, where someone was beating the crap out of him, broke his nose, and he's on his back getting pummeled "MMA style," it's not so subjective. And if you've ever been hit in the nose you know how disoriented you can become, especially with watery eyes making it difficult to see.
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Not entirely subjective. If you have a situation like Zimmerman's, where someone was beating the crap out of him, broke his nose, and he's on his back getting pummeled "MMA style," it's not so subjective. And if you've ever been hit in the nose you know how disoriented you can become, especially with watery eyes making it difficult to see.
the law is flawed in that a person can create the circumstances for a fight - begin losing that fight - then introduce a gun and kill the other person.
I don't like that one bit. I can do the same - walk around the mall calling people's girlfriend a whore until one of them pummels me - then shoot their head off.
legal but screwed up.
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None that I've heard.
That picture is further evidence that Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman.
LOL that is hilarious! That picture shows someone that has been a minor physical altercation, minor superficial injuries.
A little bit of blood under his nose and it looks he has the crap beaten out of him lmao!
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You're right, you just have to feel your life is being threatened, and that's very subjective.
Well I believe the law states that it is self defence if the attack would lead a "reasonable" person to believe their life was in grave danger.
There were 14 screams recorded in one phone 911 witness phone call. Zimmerman claims they were his screams. The injuries Zimmerman displayed would not warrant a "reasonable" man to scream 14 times in quick succession...
He is either a liar or at best a hysterical pussy(i.e not a "reasonable" person.)
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LOL that is hilarious! That picture shows someone that has been a minor physical altercation, minor superficial injuries.
A little bit of blood under his nose and it looks he has the crap beaten out of him lmao!
It supports the medical report that he had a broken nose, two black eyes, and cuts on the back of his head. Yes, Martin was beating the crap out of Zimmerman. That's why Martin is dead.
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martin is dead because zimm couldn't mind his fucking business,trying to play the hero
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martin is dead because zimm couldn't mind his fucking business,trying to play the hero
At least Tray went out on top right? ddduhhhooooo!!!!!! :o :o :o
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dumb responce,but that's to be expected ::)
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It supports the medical report that he had a broken nose, two black eyes, and cuts on the back of his head. Yes, Martin was beating the crap out of Zimmerman. That's why Martin is dead.
Here are a couple pics from the police station after he killed Trayvon, after the little bit of blood had been wiped way, remember paramedics who attended the scene were happy that Zimmerman didn't have any injuries that required him to attend hospital, he never received a single stitch...
Bit odd for someone who's just had the living cr@p beaten out them so bad they feared for their life!
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-broken-nose.jpg?w=640)
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-police-station.jpg?w=640)
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-head-shot.jpg?w=1024&h=680)
I believe I am quite a reasonable person and to me those do not look like the sort of injuries of someone who has just taken a vicious beating ...they look like the injuries of someone who has been in a minor scuffle.
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We can all agree on one thing, Zimmerman is one ugly slug.
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Here are a couple pics from the police station after he killed Trayvon, after the little bit of blood had been wiped way, remember paramedics who attended the scene were happy that Zimmerman didn't have any injuries that required him to attend hospital, he never received a single stitch...
Bit odd for someone who's just had the living cr@p beaten out them so bad they feared for their life!
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-broken-nose.jpg?w=640)
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-police-station.jpg?w=640)
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-head-shot.jpg?w=1024&h=680)
I believe I am quite a reasonable person and to me those do not look like the sort of injuries of someone who has just taken a vicious beating ...they look like the injuries of someone who has been in a minor scuffle.
"Vicious" beating? Probably not. A "minor scuffle"? Hardly. A minor scuffle does not result in a broken nose, two black eyes, and cuts on the back of his head.
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"Vicious" beating? Probably not. A "minor scuffle"? Hardly. A minor scuffle does not result in a broken nose, two black eyes, and cuts on the back of his head.
That's the weakest looking "two black eyes" I've ever seen
Well if I was in a fight and came out of it with the above injuries I would have either won pretty easy or it would have been a minor scuffle.
When you get hit hard in the face your face tends to swell quite instantly , Zimmerman claims he was hit more than a dozen times, hard enough that was in fear for his life.
Good luck getting any "reasonable" juror to buy that.
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That's the weakest looking "two black eyes" I've ever seen
Well if I was in a fight and came out of it with the above injuries I would have either won pretty easy or it would have been a minor scuffle.
When you get hit hard in the face your face tends to swell quite instantly , Zimmerman claims he was hit more than a dozen times, hard enough that was in fear for his life.
Good luck getting any "reasonable" juror to buy that.
And when you get hit hard in your nose, it tends to break.
So, what if he was only hit six times instead of more than a dozen? Does that really matter? Was he supposed to count the blows? I think it's undisputed at this point that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up. You can call it a minor scuffle, but I don't think a reasonable person will believe a minor scuffle results in Zimmerman's injuries.
Where are the witnesses who will say Martin was not beating the crap out of Zimmerman? Or that Zimmerman was on top of Martin? Or that Zimmerman was pointing a gun at Martin?
I haven't seen the smoking gun yet. In fact, the medical evidence, witnesses, and 911 tape (with Zimmerman yelling for help), all support Zimmerman. Remember the autopsy showed Zimmerman shot him point blank, consistent with him shooting Martin during a hand-to-hand fight. Although it wasn't much of a fight (more like a beat down).
I agree with Dershowitz that Zimmerman should not be prosecuted.
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And when you get hit hard in your nose, it tends to break.
So, what if he was only hit six times instead of more than a dozen? Does that really matter? Was he supposed to count the blows? I think it's undisputed at this point that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up. You can call it a minor scuffle, but I don't think a reasonable person will believe a minor scuffle results in Zimmerman's injuries.
Where are the witnesses who will say Martin was not beating the crap out of Zimmerman? Or that Zimmerman was on top of Martin? Or that Zimmerman was pointing a gun at Martin?
I haven't seen the smoking gun yet. In fact, the medical evidence, witnesses, and 911 tape (with Zimmerman yelling for help), all support Zimmerman. Remember the autopsy showed Zimmerman shot him point blank, consistent with him shooting Martin during a hand-to-hand fight. Although it wasn't much of a fight (more like a beat down).
I agree with Dershowitz that Zimmerman should not be prosecuted.
So for all who question whether Zimmerman sustained enough injuries in that scuffle to constitute a "beating" or not, how about we let someone beat you up to the same degree and then you tell us how you feel about it and to what lengths you might have gone to to defend yourself.
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what are the rassmussen polling results on Zimmerman being found guilty? I want to bet the opposite of whatever they predict. [/romney]
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What I don't like about this case is that there are a buch of people (press included) that are in too big of a hurry to convict Zimmerman and there are others that are in too big of a hurry to exonerate him. I prefer to let the case play out and not pick sides based on what I wish happened because it supports my own biases.
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should have stayed in his truck,he called the police that's all he had to do
shoulda coulda woulda
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And when you get hit hard in your nose, it tends to break.
So, what if he was only hit six times instead of more than a dozen? Does that really matter? Was he supposed to count the blows? I think it's undisputed at this point that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up. You can call it a minor scuffle, but I don't think a reasonable person will believe a minor scuffle results in Zimmerman's injuries.
Where are the witnesses who will say Martin was not beating the crap out of Zimmerman? Or that Zimmerman was on top of Martin? Or that Zimmerman was pointing a gun at Martin?
I haven't seen the smoking gun yet. In fact, the medical evidence, witnesses, and 911 tape (with Zimmerman yelling for help), all support Zimmerman. Remember the autopsy showed Zimmerman shot him point blank, consistent with him shooting Martin during a hand-to-hand fight. Although it wasn't much of a fight (more like a beat down).
I agree with Dershowitz that Zimmerman should not be prosecuted.
It makes a difference whether he was hit 6 or 12 times because he is on record as saying he was hit more than a dozen times, during a severe beat down (as you put it), if the jury don't think his visual injuries coincide with that ,they will heavily doubt the validity of his story. and the photos from above along with any other taken in the police station will be shown to the jury in court.
We know for certain he shot the kid, it is only self defence if the jury believe the beat down he took would have led a "reasonable" person to believe their life is in grave danger.
Where our opinion differs is on what we think someone looks like that has just had the cr@p beat of their face.
if a friend of mine came to me with the injuries visible above, telling me they had just been beaten to cr@p so bad that they feared for their life, I would laugh and think they were being a drama queen and clearly exaggerating.
And I don't think you have been keeping up with the reporting of this case because from what I have read recently the witnesses that originally corroborated Zimmerman's account , seem to have changed their stories. from my reading there now doesn't appear to be any eye witnesses that are going to really influence the case either way.
The 911 calls have never been conclusive, as I don't think they have been able to establish who was doing the yelling, Zimmerman says it was him, Trayvon's mum has identified the screams as his.
And even if the screams were Zimmerman's, he screamed 14 times during one 911 call and ended up with the visible injuries above? reasonable response from a reasonable man?
To me all the circumstantial evidence points to murder, we know for certain he was pursuing this kid, we know he was very irritated, and had ill will towards him(describing him as a punk) all on the 911 transcript. We know this kid had no criminal record or history of violence and was just making his way home after visiting a 711 store. And contrary to what many believe, strong enough circumstantial evidence can be enough on it's own to secure a conviction.
His injuries(to me) are not consistent with his story that he was in the fight of his life. I know he has his private GP report that lists a whole load of facial/head injuries that makes him sound pretty beat up.
But unfortunately for Zimmerman the jury will know he never needed a single stitch for any cuts to his head and they have very clear photos showing very minimal facial injuries.
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and why do people call Zimmerman white? There are shit loads of japanese, chinese, koreans etc with whiter skin than Zimmerman but nobody calls them white. He clearly has a latino background. He looks mexican to me lol.
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CSI Getbig in fine form...
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CSI Getbig in fine form...
not just here, it's bullshit in detail everywhere with this fucking stupid case.. All over the net, on the news and shitbags on radio. I don't get it, crap like this happens all the time but all of a sudden this is the major case.
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"Vicious" beating? Probably not. A "minor scuffle"? Hardly. A minor scuffle does not result in a broken nose, two black eyes, and cuts on the back of his head.
You obviously grew up pampered in Hawaii lol... The above is a pretty average and fairly minor fight in the red states without people being shot. Of course sometimes someone does get shot, but they get freaking charged and usually convicted for it when that happens. And those aren't black eyes on Zimmerman and it doesn't look like a broken nose. His nose looks like it was ugly before it got scratched...
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trayvon could have laid down prone on the street and shot zimmerman as he came around the corner.
armed man chasing unarmed kid 2 blocks thru the rainy night. A very clear and obvious threat on his life.
In real life, if you run 2 blocks from a dude with a gun - then try to chat with him when he catches you - that's how ya end up dead.
In real life, if dude with gun chases you two blocks, there's a very fast gunfight and one of you isn't going home that night.
ZImmerman was lucky he wasn't chasing a legally armed 21+ year old Floridian with a permit that night.
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It makes a difference whether he was hit 6 or 12 times because he is on record as saying he was hit more than a dozen times, during a severe beat down (as you put it), if the jury don't think his visual injuries coincide with that ,they will heavily doubt the validity of his story. and the photos from above along with any other taken in the police station will be shown to the jury in court.
We know for certain he shot the kid, it is only self defence if the jury believe the beat down he took would have led a "reasonable" person to believe their life is in grave danger.
Where our opinion differs is on what we think someone looks like that has just had the cr@p beat of their face.
if a friend of mine came to me with the injuries visible above, telling me they had just been beaten to cr@p so bad that they feared for their life, I would laugh and think they were being a drama queen and clearly exaggerating.
And I don't think you have been keeping up with the reporting of this case because from what I have read recently the witnesses that originally corroborated Zimmerman's account , seem to have changed their stories. from my reading there now doesn't appear to be any eye witnesses that are going to really influence the case either way.
The 911 calls have never been conclusive, as I don't think they have been able to establish who was doing the yelling, Zimmerman says it was him, Trayvon's mum has identified the screams as his.
And even if the screams were Zimmerman's, he screamed 14 times during one 911 call and ended up with the visible injuries above? reasonable response from a reasonable man?
To me all the circumstantial evidence points to murder, we know for certain he was pursuing this kid, we know he was very irritated, and had ill will towards him(describing him as a punk) all on the 911 transcript. We know this kid had no criminal record or history of violence and was just making his way home after visiting a 711 store. And contrary to what many believe, strong enough circumstantial evidence can be enough on it's own to secure a conviction.
His injuries(to me) are not consistent with his story that he was in the fight of his life. I know he has his private GP report that lists a whole load of facial/head injuries that makes him sound pretty beat up.
But unfortunately for Zimmerman the jury will know he never needed a single stitch for any cuts to his head and they have very clear photos showing very minimal facial injuries.
I disagree with most of this. We don't know that he was "pursuing" that kid. We don't know he was angry. And Martin was a thug. You should read up on his background. And didn't he have marijuana in his system?
I will be very surprised if the prosecution can convince 12 jurors that Zimmerman murdered that kid. Just look at the differences of opinion in this thread. But hey stranger things have happened. O.J. was acquitted.
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not just here, it's bullshit in detail everywhere with this fucking stupid case.. All over the net, on the news and shitbags on radio. I don't get it, crap like this happens all the time but all of a sudden this is the major case.
It's a major case because a black guy was shot by a non-black, despite the fact that 95% of black murders are committed by blacks.
The media gotta do what it gotta do. People like 240 lap that shit up (see: the 5,000 posts he logged about it).
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You obviously grew up pampered in Hawaii lol... The above is a pretty average and fairly minor fight in the red states without people being shot. Of course sometimes someone does get shot, but they get freaking charged and usually convicted for it when that happens. And those aren't black eyes on Zimmerman and it doesn't look like a broken nose. His nose looks like it was ugly before it got scratched...
Pampered? My name is not Barrack Obama. You need to visit some of the hoods in paradise.
Are you saying fights are different in "red states" as opposed to "blue states."
Nose looks broken to me. Plus the doc said it was broken.
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You obviously grew up pampered in Hawaii lol... The above is a pretty average and fairly minor fight in the red states without people being shot. Of course sometimes someone does get shot, but they get freaking charged and usually convicted for it when that happens. And those aren't black eyes on Zimmerman and it doesn't look like a broken nose. His nose looks like it was ugly before it got scratched...
Hahaha, fairly common? People get shot for much less in this country.
Brilliant argument. ::)
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trayvon could have laid down prone on the street and shot zimmerman as he came around the corner.
armed man chasing unarmed kid 2 blocks thru the rainy night. A very clear and obvious threat on his life.
In real life, if you run 2 blocks from a dude with a gun - then try to chat with him when he catches you - that's how ya end up dead.
In real life, if dude with gun chases you two blocks, there's a very fast gunfight and one of you isn't going home that night.
ZImmerman was lucky he wasn't chasing a legally armed 21+ year old Floridian with a permit that night.
What the fuck do you mean in real life? This IS/WAS real life. This IS/WAS how it went down.
This ISN'T 240-talk like-an-internet-tough-guy...ooooh you would do soooo much bad-ass shit world.
::)
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Pampered? My name is not Barrack Obama. You need to visit some of the hoods in paradise.
Are you saying fights are different in "red states" as opposed to "blue states."
Nose looks broken to me. Plus the doc said it was broken.
Eating all those pineapples is making u guys soft. Me and REAL LIFE bad ass like...I don't know....say 240, could take your whole island in less than a day.
Easy.
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What the fuck do you mean in real life? This IS/WAS real life. This IS/WAS how it went down.
This ISN'T 240-talk like-an-internet-tough-guy...ooooh you would do soooo much bad-ass shit world.
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In real life, if you stop to have a chat with a fat man chasing you two blocks with a gun, you might get shot.
In real life, I would have felt VERY threatened with a fat man running 2 blocks in the dark and rain after me, hand securing 9mm in front waist band so it doesn't fall out.
In real life, I would have used legal and justified force - there would have been no conversation.
I disagree with most of this. We don't know that he was "pursuing" that kid.
"He's running away..."
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It's a major case because a black guy was shot by a non-black, despite the fact that 95% of black murders are committed by blacks.
The media gotta do what it gotta do. People like 240 lap that shit up (see: the 5,000 posts he logged about it).
Bingo - end of thread
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if some asian guy chased a samoan kid down the street 2 blocks, then shot him, and lied about a bunch of shit and tried to use 'stand your ground', I'd feel the same way.
its not about race at all. it's about some fat prick chasing an unarmed kid who committed no crime, then potentiall fcking up Fl law as a result.
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In real life, if you stop to have a chat with a fat man chasing you two blocks with a gun, you might get shot.
In real life, I would have felt VERY threatened with a fat man running 2 blocks in the dark and rain after me, hand securing 9mm in front waist band so it doesn't fall out.
In real life, I would have used legal and justified force - there would have been no conversation.
My bad.
The actions of Trayvon and Zimmerman were fantasy.
Your GB, internet shit talk...now that's real.
Sorry for my confusion. ::)
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dude, if a dude with a gun chased ya 2 blocks... what would you do when he finally caught up with you?
police identify themselves...
i tells ya, i'm lying prone when he comes around the corner... if he gets inside 15 feet or his hands get hinky, I'm blasting him.
You just don't chase someone thru the dark for blocks with a 9 mm. It's common sense 101.
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My ba
The actions of Trayvon and Zimmerman were fantasy
Your GB, internet shit talk...now that's real.
Sorry for my confusion. ::)
I think even the getbiggers who hate me most wouldn't say i'd curl in fetal position and beg zimmerman not to blast my ass.
in FL, if you fear for your life, you can use deadly force.
if a man with a gun has chased me for 2 blocks in the dark, dude... I'm fearing for my life. I broke no law. I'm walking with a sweet tea.
I fear for life, and IMO anyone with an ounce of common sense is at LEAST on red alert at this point. If I'm not shooting, I'm lying prone and ready to do so.
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Eating all those pineapples is making u guys soft. Me and REAL LIFE bad ass like...I don't know....say 240, could take your whole island in less than a day.
Easy.
Haha, you should see this retard talking on the G&O about the guy that hit by the subway.
Superman here would have pulled him out with one arm while fighting off the idiot who pushed him down there in the first place. ::)
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Haha, you should see this retard talking on the G&O about the guy that hit by the subway.
Superman here would have pulled him out with one arm while fighting off the idiot who pushed him down there in the first place. ::)
Would you describe yourself as mean-spirited?
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He followed a suspected burglar with his gun hidden as it was a concealed carry and then started to return to his truck and was confronted you mean right?
Who suspected him? What probable cause did he have to follow that person? One could say he was "stalking"...he placed someone in fear for their life, and now that person is dead....
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I disagree with most of this. We don't know that he was "pursuing" that kid. We don't know he was angry. And Martin was a thug. You should read up on his background. And didn't he have marijuana in his system?
I will be very surprised if the prosecution can convince 12 jurors that Zimmerman murdered that kid. Just look at the differences of opinion in this thread. But hey stranger things have happened. O.J. was acquitted.
These are parts of the 911 transcript from Zimmerman's call.
Dispatcher: We’ve got them on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman: OK.These assholes. They always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]
Dispatcher:OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:The back entrance.
[Disputed utterance by Zimmerman at 2:22 that the subsequent affidavit of probable cause said was " "these f---ing punks".]
Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
Dispatcher:OK.We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
So he referred to Trayvon as an "ahole" and a "f@cking punk", you don't think that's a shows ill will and that he was at least very irritated(which I said) by Trayvon?
When asked by the dispatcher if he was following Martin, he replied "yeh" . "following", "pursuing" are pretty much interchangeable no?
I have read that he had been suspended from his school on 3 occasions for truancy , graffiti and getting caught with a weed pipe. The word thug is usually used to describe a habitual criminal or violent person, and he had no criminal record and no history of violence.
I don't think a few school misdemeanors is really enough to class him a thug. And I don't think the fact he had weed in his system will play much of a part, plenty of people smoke pot(probably a good few of the jurors will have tried it) it's not a substance usually associated with making people act violently, probably the opposite.
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These are parts of the 911 transcript from Zimmerman's call.
Dispatcher: We’ve got them on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman: OK.These assholes. They always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]
Dispatcher:OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:The back entrance.
[Disputed utterance by Zimmerman at 2:22 that the subsequent affidavit of probable cause said was " "these f---ing punks".]
Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
Dispatcher:OK.We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
So he referred to Trayvon as an "ahole" and a "f@cking punk", you don't think that's a shows ill will and that he was at least very irritated(which I said) by Trayvon?
When asked by the dispatcher if he was following Martin, he replied "yeh" . "following", "pursuing" are pretty much interchangeable no?
I have read that he had been suspended from his school on 3 occasions for truancy , graffiti and getting caught with a weed pipe. The word thug is usually used to describe a habitual criminal or violent person, and he had no criminal record and no history of violence.
I don't think a few school misdemeanors is really enough to class him a thug. And I don't think the fact he had weed in his system will play much of a part, plenty of people smoke pot(probably a good few of the jurors will have tried it) it's not a substance usually associated with making people act violently, probably the opposite.
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I disagree with most of this. We don't know that he was "pursuing" that kid.
Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
Zimmerman was clearly following/pursuing him.
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These are parts of the 911 transcript from Zimmerman's call.
Dispatcher: We’ve got them on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman: OK.These assholes. They always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]
Dispatcher:OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:The back entrance.
[Disputed utterance by Zimmerman at 2:22 that the subsequent affidavit of probable cause said was " "these f---ing punks".]
Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
Dispatcher:OK.We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
So he referred to Trayvon as an "ahole" and a "f@cking punk", you don't think that's a shows ill will and that he was at least very irritated(which I said) by Trayvon?
When asked by the dispatcher if he was following Martin, he replied "yeh" . "following", "pursuing" are pretty much interchangeable no?
I have read that he had been suspended from his school on 3 occasions for truancy , graffiti and getting caught with a weed pipe. The word thug is usually used to describe a habitual criminal or violent person, and he had no criminal record and no history of violence.
I don't think a few school misdemeanors is really enough to class him a thug. And I don't think the fact he had weed in his system will play much of a part, plenty of people smoke pot(probably a good few of the jurors will have tried it) it's not a substance usually associated with making people act violently, probably the opposite.
A few misdemeanors doesn't make him a thug?
But one name calling and another 'possible' name calling, make Zimmerman a murderer?
I don't know if that's what you mean, but it sounds flimsy. I don't who's at fault, but when we start dismissing things for one-guy and amplifying things for another guy...it seems you've already got your mind made up.
I just hope the jurors aren't like that.
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Haha, you should see this retard talking on the G&O about the guy that hit by the subway.
Superman here would have pulled him out with one arm while fighting off the idiot who pushed him down there in the first place. ::)
haha
I don't know much about that story, but I've ridden those trains a few times in NY and they come in fairly fast. From just the one pic I saw - don't know if it really portrays the story - but it doesn't look like anyone was going to have time to get that dude.
Thankfully, they got the guy who did it.
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These are parts of the 911 transcript from Zimmerman's call.
Dispatcher: We’ve got them on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman: OK.These assholes. They always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]
Dispatcher:OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:The back entrance.
[Disputed utterance by Zimmerman at 2:22 that the subsequent affidavit of probable cause said was " "these f---ing punks".]
Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
Dispatcher:OK.We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
So he referred to Trayvon as an "ahole" and a "f@cking punk", you don't think that's a shows ill will and that he was at least very irritated(which I said) by Trayvon?
When asked by the dispatcher if he was following Martin, he replied "yeh" . "following", "pursuing" are pretty much interchangeable no?
I have read that he had been suspended from his school on 3 occasions for truancy , graffiti and getting caught with a weed pipe. The word thug is usually used to describe a habitual criminal or violent person, and he had no criminal record and no history of violence.
I don't think a few school misdemeanors is really enough to class him a thug. And I don't think the fact he had weed in his system will play much of a part, plenty of people smoke pot(probably a good few of the jurors will have tried it) it's not a substance usually associated with making people act violently, probably the opposite.
I heard the tape. He does not sound angry.
No, "pursuing" and "following" are not interchangeable.
You left out the part about Martin having burglary tools in his backpack.
What's interesting is Zimmerman said he looks like he's on drugs, and Martin had smoked weed.
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I heard the tape. He does not sound angry.
No, "pursuing" and "following" are not interchangeable.
You left out the part about Martin having burglary tools in his backpack.
What's interesting is Zimmerman said he looks like he's on drugs, and Martin had smoked weed.
I never said angry I said very irritated, using the expletives "f@cking punks" and these "@ssholes" shows the hostility he had towards a teenager he knew nothing about and had never met.
OK lets drop the word pursue(as makes little difference). We know from the 911 transcript he was following Trayvon.
Apparently Trayvon's school found him with a screwdriver and jewellery but it is stated he received no punishment for this, I'm quite sure if they suspended him for graffiti, truancy and possession of a weed pipe, he surely would have been given some kind of formal punishment and the police would have been involved had it been established he was actually involved in burglary.
The fact he said he thought Trayvon was on drugs actually makes it worse for him.
It all points toward Zimmerman being an unstable character, his hostility towards someone he doesn't know, his decision to follow a stranger he thinks looks high on drugs.
A reasonable person with no formal police training would have listened to the dispatcher's advice not to follow Trayvon and would have waited by their car until the police arrived.
And if it can be established that he was not acting reasonably in the build up to Trayvon's shooting, why should anyone believe he was acting reasonably when the actual shooting took place.
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A few misdemeanors doesn't make him a thug?
But one name calling and another 'possible' name calling, make Zimmerman a murderer?
I don't know if that's what you mean, but it sounds flimsy. I don't who's at fault, but when we start dismissing things for one-guy and amplifying things for another guy...it seems you've already got your mind made up.
I just hope the jurors aren't like that.
I'm not amplifying or dismissing anything, just don't personally agree you can label someone a thug because they have been in trouble a few times at school yet have no criminal record or any history of violence.
Name calling does not make Zimmerman a murderer , but it is a clear indication as to his state of mind a few minutes before he shot Trayvon dead.
Personally yeh I think it is murder/manslaughter, I personally think he orchestrated the situation that led to Trayvon's death and lets just say we believe Zimmerman's story that all of a sudden he went from the hunter to the hunted, his injuries just don't back up his story that he was getting such a bad beating that it warranted the use of fatal force.
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lets just say we believe Zimmerman's story that all of a sudden he went from the hunter to the hunted
that's a part i can't buy. We hear him on the phone calling the kid an a-hole, saying he's running after him.
60 seconds pass, then gunshots.
I don't see him suddenly cooling off, giving up, turning around, then getting attacked by Trayvon - would require a 180 degree turn by BOTH trayvon and zimm in those 60 seconds. Rather, the logical course of action - the continued one for those 60 seconds - is that a very pissed off, armed ZImm finally caught up to Trayvon.
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I'm not amplifying or dismissing anything, just don't personally agree you can label someone a thug because they have been in trouble a few times at school yet have no criminal record or any history of violence.
Name calling does not make Zimmerman a murderer , but it is a clear indication as to his state of mind a few minutes before he shot Trayvon dead.
Personally yeh I think it is murder/manslaughter, I personally think he orchestrated the situation that led to Trayvon's death and lets just say we believe Zimmerman's story that all of a sudden he went from the hunter to the hunted, his injuries just don't back up his story that he was getting such a bad beating that it warranted the use of fatal force.
Well I don't get that. Any attack would have warranted Zimmerman to shoot him. You don't have to see how bad your ass is getting kicked and then decide it's enough to kill. For all he knew, this could wouldn't stop and beat him to death.
Just speculating here as I don't know that's even what down, of course.
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Well I don't get that. Any attack would have warranted Zimmerman to shoot him. You don't have to see how bad your ass is getting kicked and then decide it's enough to kill. For all he knew, this could wouldn't stop and beat him to death.
Just speculating here as I don't know that's even what down, of course.
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To me, chasing someone 2 blocks in the night with a gun would have me scared enough to use deadly force. Trayvon may have been justified in using his fists or a weapon against the angry armed man who had chased him 2 blocks. Remember - trayvon RAN to get away from him. Trayvon broke no law, but SOMETHING made him run. Was it the inside waist front band 9 mm? Anyone who has run with one knows what a bitch that is - hand on it is just about a requirement. Was zimmerman's gun a little *less* than concealed when he was chasing trayvon?
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that's a part i can't buy. We hear him on the phone calling the kid an a-hole, saying he's running after him.
60 seconds pass, then gunshots.
I don't see him suddenly cooling off, giving up, turning around, then getting attacked by Trayvon - would require a 180 degree turn by BOTH trayvon and zimm in those 60 seconds. Rather, the logical course of action - the continued one for those 60 seconds - is that a very pissed off, armed ZImm finally caught up to Trayvon.
Yes I agree, it does take some 'believing' that in the 1 minute or so from the 911 call , Zimmerman decided to stop following and Trayvon simultaneously stopped fleeing and decided to go and attack Zimmerman.
But even if the jury do buy that, he still has to convince them that his use of deadly force was warranted.
The 2012 Florida Statutes
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;
The jury decision will be based on whether or not a reasonable person would have felt that they were in real danger of imminent murder or great bodily harm, which is called "objective standard".
Sandford police recorded Zimmerman on the night of the shooting as being 5'8 at 200lb , while the post mortem report had Trayvon at between 5'11-6'0 at 160lb...
So the question is, even regardless of how the fight started would a reasonable 200lb 26 yr old man with the considerable weight advantage involved in a fight against a teenager that lasted less than a 1 minute in which he sustained minimal injuries, reasonably believe he was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm?
I would say he would have been justified in using force to defend himself if Trayvon did in fact go for him, but going on the above legislation I doubt he was justified in using deadly force.
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Well I don't get that. Any attack would have warranted Zimmerman to shoot him. You don't have to see how bad your ass is getting kicked and then decide it's enough to kill. For all he knew, this could wouldn't stop and beat him to death.
Just speculating here as I don't know that's even what down, of course.
That's incorrect, deadly force is not permitted against "any attack", only if there is reasonable grounds to believe you are in real danger of death or great harm.
I would take a bet that is very rare for a person to be killed or sustain great bodily harm from getting into a one on one fight against an unarmed 160lb teenager.
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People get killed in fist fights all the time. ::)
Out of how many one on one fist fights to you think someone is killed?
1 out 200?
I would guess less...
How many fist fists do you think happen daily in high schools across the US? How many times do you hear of someone being killed in one?
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People get killed in fist fights all the time.
A 160 pound teenager that looked 30 and was also taller than Zimmerman. Another idiotic black militant gimmick. Hi, Benson. How many fucking accounts do you have? ::)
Who the f@ck is benson?
You retarded little mong
And Zimmerman described him as late teens in the 911 call, so obviously didn't look 30 to him.
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People get killed in fist fights all the time.
A 160 pound teenager that looked 30 and was also taller than Zimmerman. Another idiotic black militant gimmick. Hi, Benson. How many fucking accounts do you have? ::)
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it'll end up being an 8 year plea for manslaughter.
zimmerman didn't pick up a gun and say "i'm gonna go kill some kid" just like zimmerman wasn't exactly doing what he could to diffuse the situation - quite the opposite actually.
He created circumstances - chasing a scared kid 2 blocks into the night - where a fight ensued. He entered this fight with a gun and used it very quickly.
If he gets no time, then any of us can pick up our glocks - chase teenagers in the night, then execute them when the fight doesn't go our way. And that's risky.
Or, look at it this way.... if you're out walking around the block after dinnr, and fatass 240 decides to pick up his gun and chase you... and finally catches you after 2 blocks... and then you proceed to whip 240's ass in a fistfight... then he decides to shoot... should THAT be perfectly legal?
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Have any of you considered how you might have acted in Zimmerman's place in that situation? It seems to me a lot of Getbiggers are quick to jump to conclusions about people. Some Getbiggers come of as being really judgmental and prejudiced towards others they don't agree with or identify with in some way.
Not so much lately, but in times past on Getbig some people were pretty threating and nasty to other posters. I always wondered how that translates to there offline lives. Do they go around beating up people they don't like or is it all Internet talk and no action?
I am not suggesting everyone on Getbig would shoot some stupid teenage potential robber. In fact, I hope they wouldn't. Loss of property never equates to loss of life. I have never been in a situation where my life felt threatened, so I have no idea how far I would go to defend myself in such a situation. I hope I would have the sense to figure out how to save myself without resorting to using a gun....which is next to impossible for me, since I don't own one. However, it is possible I might accidentally beat someone to death if I believed that I'd die at their hands.
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Have any of you considered how you might have acted in Zimmerman's place in that situation? It seems to me a lot of Getbiggers are quick to jump to conclusions about people. Some Getbiggers come of as being really judgmental and prejudiced towards others they don't agree with or identify with in some way.
Not so much lately, but in times past on Getbig some people were pretty threating and nasty to other posters. I always wondered how that translates to there offline lives. Do they go around beating up people they don't like or is it all Internet talk and no action?
I am not suggesting everyone on Getbig would shoot some stupid teenage potential robber. In fact, I hope they wouldn't. Loss of property never equates to loss of life. I have never been in a situation where my life felt threatened, so I have no idea how far I would go to defend myself in such a situation. I hope I would have the sense to figure out how to save myself without resorting to using a gun....which is next to impossible for me, since I don't own one. However, it is possible I might accidentally beat someone to death if I believed it that or I'd die at their hands.
Not much irony there then.
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We need zimm on the NYC subway.
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We need zimm on the NYC subway.
Goetz and Zimmerman combine forces!
Make their day...
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Pampered? My name is not Barrack Obama. You need to visit some of the hoods in paradise.
Are you saying fights are different in "red states" as opposed to "blue states."
Nose looks broken to me. Plus the doc said it was broken.
A fight is different in red states compared to blue states.
In the red states they are all lazy and on welfare so they are to lazy to fight much.
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That's incorrect, deadly force is not permitted against "any attack", only if there is reasonable grounds to believe you are in real danger of death or great harm.
I would take a bet that is very rare for a person to be killed or sustain great bodily harm from getting into a one on one fight against an unarmed 160lb teenager.
No. If you're getting into an MMA octagon with somebody, then you're not expecting a fist fight to result in death.
Middle of the night, 2 complete strangers, then a fist fight could end with your death. To think you have to take x amount of some beating before you use deadly force is completely unreasonable.
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I never said angry I said very irritated, using the expletives "f@cking punks" and these "@ssholes" shows the hostility he had towards a teenager he knew nothing about and had never met.
OK lets drop the word pursue(as makes little difference). We know from the 911 transcript he was following Trayvon.
Apparently Trayvon's school found him with a screwdriver and jewellery but it is stated he received no punishment for this, I'm quite sure if they suspended him for graffiti, truancy and possession of a weed pipe, he surely would have been given some kind of formal punishment and the police would have been involved had it been established he was actually involved in burglary.
The fact he said he thought Trayvon was on drugs actually makes it worse for him.
It all points toward Zimmerman being an unstable character, his hostility towards someone he doesn't know, his decision to follow a stranger he thinks looks high on drugs.
A reasonable person with no formal police training would have listened to the dispatcher's advice not to follow Trayvon and would have waited by their car until the police arrived.
And if it can be established that he was not acting reasonably in the build up to Trayvon's shooting, why should anyone believe he was acting reasonably when the actual shooting took place.
I didn't hear hostility in his voice either. He sounded pretty even keel.
The fact he thought Martin was on drugs, and Martin actually WAS on drugs makes it worse for Zimmerman?? I completely disagree. It would have worse for Zimmerman if Martin was not on drugs and was a choir boy, instead of the thug he was.
A reasonable person with a loaded gun would use it to shoot a guy who was pounding him in the face, breaking his nose and banging his head into the ground.
The fact he followed him was not a crime. The fact he may have not listened to a 911 dispatcher was not a crime, nor was it unreasonable. Dumb maybe, but not unreasonable. He was trying to protect his neighborhood from thugs like Martin.
And keep in mind Zimmerman doesn't have to testify.
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I didn't hear hostility in his voice either. He sounded pretty even keel.
The fact he thought Martin was on drugs, and Martin actually WAS on drugs makes it worse for Zimmerman?? I completely disagree. It would have worse for Zimmerman if Martin was not on drugs and was a choir boy, instead of the thug he was.
A reasonable person with a loaded gun would use it to shoot a guy who was pounding him in the face, breaking his nose and banging his head into the ground.
The fact he followed him was not a crime. The fact he may have not listened to a 911 dispatcher was not a crime, nor was it unreasonable. Dumb maybe, but not unreasonable. He was trying to protect his neighborhood from thugs like Martin.
And keep in mind Zimmerman doesn't have to testify.
I think when people are using phrases like "f@cking punk" and "these aholes" it's pretty much a given that they have hostility towards the person/s they are describing.
A reasonable person with no formal police training would not start following a stranger they believe looks high on drugs in the dead of night, when they have been advised by a police operative not to do so. Those are the actions of a reckless wanna be cop.
And we only have Zimmerman's word to go on that he was taking this severe beating, the photographic evidence of his injuries certainly do not back his story. And while we're discussing Trayvon's previous character, it is worth noting that Zimmerman has a charge for assaulting a police officer, one more recorded incident of violence on his history than Trayvon.
Following Trayvon was not a crime, shooting him dead was.
I will bet that Zimmerman will testify, as all of the circumstantial evidence is against him.
His prior show of hostility(derogatory names) towards a stranger he was about to shoot dead , 1 minute before shooting we know Zimmerman was following and Trayvon was fleeing. His lack of injuries(not a single stitch) for the severe beating he says he took from Trayvon.
I would imagine getting a jury to believe his testimony is probably his best bet.
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I think when people are using phrases like "f@cking punk" and "these aholes" it's pretty much a given that they have hostility towards the person/s they are describing.
A reasonable person with no formal police training would not start following a stranger they believe looks high on drugs in the dead of night, when they have been advised by a police operative not to do so. Those are the actions of a reckless wanna be cop.
And we only have Zimmerman's word to go on that he was taking this severe beating, the photographic evidence of his injuries certainly do not back his story. And while we're discussing Trayvon's previous character, it is worth noting that Zimmerman has a charge for assaulting a police officer, one more recorded incident of violence on his history than Trayvon.
Following Trayvon was not a crime, shooting him dead was.
I will bet that Zimmerman will testify, as all of the circumstantial evidence is against him.
His prior show of hostility(derogatory names) towards a stranger he was about to shoot dead , 1 minute before shooting we know Zimmerman was following and Trayvon was fleeing. His lack of injuries(not a single stitch) for the severe beating he says he took from Trayvon.
I would imagine getting a jury to believe his testimony is probably his best bet.
What "police operative"? It was a 911 dispatcher. Calling an operator a "police operative" is embellishment.
Zimmerman has a record? Really? Link?
Following Martin was a not crime. Shooting him dead in self defense was not a crime.
Your claims of no injuries is just bizarre. How did Zimmerman's nose get broken? How did he get cuts on the back of his head?
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No. If you're getting into an MMA octagon with somebody, then you're not expecting a fist fight to result in death.
Middle of the night, 2 complete strangers, then a fist fight could end with your death. To think you have to take x amount of some beating before you use deadly force is completely unreasonable.
You're never expecting a one on one fist fight to end in death, it's a freak occurrence when it does.
I don't think the Florida self defence laws were designed to allow someone to act in a manner that is likely to make a reasonable person fear for their safety(being followed by a stranger late at night) , then to shoot them dead when they start getting the worst of the physical confrontation their actions were quite likely going to cause.
But heyho who knows, i spose we'll find out when the case to comes to court.
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What "police operative"? It was a 911 dispatcher. Calling an operator a "police operative" is embellishment.
Zimmerman has a record? Really? Link?
Following Martin was a not crime. Shooting him dead in self defense was not a crime.
Your claims of no injuries is just bizarre. How did Zimmerman's nose get broken? How did he get cuts on the back of his head?
You do like playing semantics, following someone is not pursuing them ... a dispatcher is not a operative!
Definition of operative
noun
a worker, especially one in a manufacturing industry:
the operatives clean the machines at the end of every shift
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/operative
I'm quite sure a 911 dispatcher is worker for the police.
"In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar."
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite
I forget he also has a domestic violence incident on his record too, so two more than Trayvon!
His nose doesn't look very badly damaged , his face looks very minimally marked and his head didn't require a single stitch. The photographs from the night tell the story of a man involved in a minor physical altercation. BTW the only injury Trayvon had was a 1/4 inch minor cut on one finger, you would have thought his hands would have been a bit more beat up considering he supposedly pounded Zimmerman in the head more than a dozen times with his bare knuckles...
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You do like playing semantics, following someone is not pursuing them ... a dispatcher is not a operative!
Definition of operative
noun
a worker, especially one in a manufacturing industry:
the operatives clean the machines at the end of every shift
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/operative
I'm quite sure a 911 dispatcher is worker for the police.
"In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar."
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite
I forget he also has a domestic violence incident on his record too, so two more than Trayvon!
His nose doesn't look very badly damaged , his face looks very minimally marked and his head didn't require a single stitch. The photographs from the night tell the story of a man involved in a minor physical altercation. BTW the only injury Trayvon had was a 1/4 inch minor cut on one finger, you would have thought his hands would have been a bit more beat up considering he supposedly pounded Zimmerman in the head more than a dozen times with his bare knuckles...
Words mean things. So does context. Sometimes people misuse words in an attempt to bolster a position, like using the word "pursuing" instead of "following," to give the impression someone was being chased. Or using the phrase "police operative" to refer to an operator, to make it appear as though someone disobeyed a law enforcement order.
Thanks for the link. Your claim that "Zimmerman has a charge for assaulting a police officer" is pretty misleading. According to the link, the charge was reduced to "resisting officer without violence" then later dismissed "when he entered an alcohol education program."
Saying he has a "domestic violence incident on his record" is also very misleading. From your link: "In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted."
Yes, sounds like a very violent man there. lol
How did his nose get broken? And how did he get cuts on the back of his head?
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Words mean things. So does context. Sometimes people misuse words in an attempt to bolster a position, like using the word "pursuing" instead of "following," to give the impression someone was being chased. Or using the phrase "police operative" to refer to an operator, to make it appear as though someone disobeyed a law enforcement order.
Thanks for the link. Your claim that "Zimmerman has a charge for assaulting a police officer" is pretty misleading. According to the link, the charge was reduced to "resisting officer without violence" then later dismissed "when he entered an alcohol education program."
Saying he has a "domestic violence incident on his record" is also very misleading. From your link: "In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted."
Yes, sounds like a very violent man there. lol
How did his nose get broken? And how did he get cuts on the back of his head?
And sometimes people try to pick at irrelevant details, like trivial differences between the interpretation of certain words instead of focusing on the real substance of the argument.
I said Zimmerman has a charge for assaulting a police officer, he was officially charged with "resisting an officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer"
So it's not misleading at all, just because the charge was later reduced and waived due to him going on some kind of rehabilitory program does not the change the fact he was arrested and CHARGED for assaulting a police officer.
And I think it is also a fact that he has an "incident" of domestic violence on his record, I never said he was convicted or charged , but a restraining order was granted against him for the incident. If we are gonna bring up Trayvon being caught by his school with "burglary tools"( a screwdriver) even though he received no formal punishment for that. I think it's worth mentioning an incident that led to a court of law targeting Zimmerman with a restraining order.
Not saying he sounds like a particularly violent man from the above, but has more recorded incidents regarding violence on his record than Trayvon, who AFAI had none either with his school or the law.
I would guess his nose was broken(if actually was, can broken bones be proved without xray?) and minor cuts to his head, were sustained during what going on the photographic evidence of Zimmeran from the night of the killing was a minor physical altercation he had with an unarmed teenager that he had decided to follow late at night.
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And sometimes people try to pick at irrelevant details, like trivial differences between the interpretation of certain words instead of focusing on the real substance of the argument.
I said Zimmerman has a charge for assaulting a police officer, he was officially charged with "resisting an officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer"
So it's not misleading at all, just because the charge was later reduced and waived due to him going on some kind of rehabilitory program does not the change the fact he was arrested and CHARGED for assaulting a police officer.
And I think it is also a fact that he has an "incident" of domestic violence on his record, I never said he was convicted or charged , but a restraining order was granted against him for the incident. If we are gonna bring up Trayvon being caught by his school with "burglary tools"( a screwdriver) even though he received no formal punishment for that. I think it's worth mentioning an incident that led to a court of law targeting Zimmerman with a restraining order.
Not saying he sounds like a particularly violent man from the above, but has more recorded incidents regarding violence on his record than Trayvon, who AFAI had none either with his school or the law.
I would guess his nose was broken(if actually was, can broken bones be proved without xray?) and minor cuts to his head, were sustained during what going on the photographic evidence of Zimmeran from the night of the killing was a minor physical altercation he had with an unarmed teenager that he had decided to follow late at night.
So you disagree with the doctor who said Zimmerman had a broken nose?
Do you also think the pictures of his bleeding head were doctored?
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i don't know why the blood on his face or the cut on his head are mentioned,they don't mean shit if he was the aggressor
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i don't know why the blood on his face or the cut on his head are mentioned,they don't mean shit if he was the aggressor
any evidence he was the aggressor?
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i don't know why the blood on his face or the cut on his head are mentioned,they don't mean shit if he was the aggressor
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any evidence he was the aggressor?
that's up to the jury to decide. They get plenty of cases where a fight isn't caught on video camera. There is 911 call evidence that zimmerman was persuing trayvon "I'm going after him" and "he's running away". Then we have a dead body. It's up to the jury to decide. just because I chase a kid into an alley where no witnesses are, and execute him,doesn't mean I beat the rap because "you can't PROVE what happened". There's a dead kid that I was following, my ass is going to prison for it.
I didn't hear hostility in his voice either. He sounded pretty even keel.
he calmly called Trayvon a punk and an a$$hole. Yes, the jury will love that.
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i don't know why the blood on his face or the cut on his head are mentioned,they don't mean shit if he was the aggressor
There is zero evidence he was the aggressor (i.e., attacked Martin). There is plenty of evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman, including the blood on Zimmerman's face and the cut on the BACK of his head.
I haven't read anything that showed Martin had injuries indicating Zimmerman punched him.
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There is zero evidence he was the aggressor (i.e., attacked Martin). There is plenty of evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman, including the blood on Zimmerman's face and the cut on the BACK of his head.
I haven't read anything that showed Martin had injuries indicating Zimmerman punched him.
hahahahahahaha that doesn't prove martin was the aggressor
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hahahahahahaha that doesn't prove martin was the aggressor
hahahahahahaha yes it does
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hahahahahahaha yes it does
it proves he was losing the fight,for all we know zimm started it. i can't believe you think that blood on zimm proves martin was the agressor,now that's funny
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it proves he was losing the fight,for all we know zimm started it. i can't believe you think that blood on zimm proves martin was the agressor,now that's funny
What fight? Where is the evidence Zimmerman threw or landed a punch? I think it's funny you don't think Zimmerman's broken nose and cut on the back of Zimmerman's head, coupled with the lack of any injuries on Martin show Martin was the aggressor.
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What fight? Where is the evidence Zimmerman threw or landed a punch? I think it's funny you don't think Zimmerman's broken nose and cut on the back of Zimmerman's head, coupled with the lack of any injuries on Martin show Martin was the aggressor.
Do we know Trayvon's injuries yet? Has the full report been released and would those things show up during an autopsy?
I didn't know he was showing lack of injuries. Interesting.
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What fight? Where is the evidence Zimmerman threw or landed a punch? I think it's funny you don't think Zimmerman's broken nose and cut on the back of Zimmerman's head, coupled with the lack of any injuries on Martin show Martin was the aggressor.
who said it had to be a punch,he could have threw him down to the ground, :D :D :D :D i'm glad your not my lawyer :D
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I consider chasing someone in the dark, two blocks with a gun, to be an act of aggression.
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So you disagree with the doctor who said Zimmerman had a broken nose?
Do you also think the pictures of his bleeding head were doctored?
No I was asking whether a broken bone could be 100% diagnosed without an xray ? Or is it deemed a suspected broken nose in the absence of xray?
Either way it makes little difference people are not fools , they can look at the pics of Zimmerman from the police station and see his injuries were minimal.
No his head was definitely bleeding, superficial cuts that didn't need a single stitch.
No one is disputing that he was in a physical fracas with Trayvon and he was coming off worse, but his injuries amounted to him being a little "bumped and bruised" not would you'd expect after being pounded in the face more than dozen times.
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There is zero evidence he was the aggressor (i.e., attacked Martin). There is plenty of evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman, including the blood on Zimmerman's face and the cut on the BACK of his head.
I haven't read anything that showed Martin had injuries indicating Zimmerman punched him.
That isn't evidence that he was "attacked", that is just evidence that he was in a physical conflict, just because he came off worse is not proof he was attacked...a more logical scenario than Zimmerman's account that they switched roles and Trayvon started coming after him, is that Zimmerman caught up with him, perhaps he continued to use the type of hostile language towards him he had used to refer to him in the 911 call, perhaps he made an attempt to physically detain Trayvon?
Of course that is just speculation and Zimmerman is really the only one that knows what happened, but he has already been caught out lying/changing his story under oath and conspiring with his wife to mislead a court as to his finances, so who knows how much credibility his word is going to be given by a jury.
I think circumstantial evidence will be heavily relied on in this case.
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the 911 call, in zimm's own words, show that trayvon is running away, and that zimm is chasing him.
60 seconds pass, then a physical confrontation and shooting.
The jury will have to decide if they truly believe ZImmerman really "gave up and started walking back" at the exact minute Trayvon "changed course and went into crazy attack mode".
Or, is the more likely outcome that in those 60 seconds, Zimmerman took the back way around a house, cut off trayvon, and they fought?
To me, it's not credible that both people instantly changed course in that one minute. More likely they continued on their actions from the 911 call, with zimm chasing and trayvon eluding. The jury will decide. There is no duty of prosecution to "prove" that minute of time - most cases that reach juries are very incomplete. They have to look at the pieces and decide what they THINK happened.
I can't exactly drag a kid into an alley, shoot his head off, then gloat "you can't PROVE what went on in that alley, so I walk!" Nope, if I created the situation, there's a missing window of time without witnesses, then I murder a mofo, I'm doing serious time...
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Could it be that Zimmerman caught up with Martin, and Martin immediately became aware of the gun? Could a witness be made to say that it appeared as though Martin was trying to use his knee to pin Zimmerman's hand or arm at any point when he was on top of Zimmerman?
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Could it be that Zimmerman caught up with Martin, and Martin immediately became aware of the gun? Could a witness be made to say that it appeared as though Martin was trying to use his knee to pin Zimmerman's hand or arm at any point when he was on top of Zimmerman?
ZImmerman had his 9mm in front waist band carry. It's damn near impossible to run without your hand on it. So he was either jogging with his hand on it - OR he had it in his hand. Ya can't "prove" either, but the jury will look at what kind of person he was, the things he was saying, the fact he was serving as a neighborhood watch capacity while violating their rules about carrying a weapon...
ZImmerman didn't seem like the type to hide the fact he had a gun, if ya catch my drift. Couldn't go 5 minutes without telling all the neighbors about the gun he had. If you think Zimmerman was engaged in a major night-time chase with the a-hole/punk who stole his bike... and didn't have that gun at the ready, well lol...
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How likely is it that Zimmerman would want to make Martin aware of the gun, and to cause this awareness to occur as early as possible in the interaction?
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How likely is it that Zimmerman would want to make Martin aware of the gun, and to cause this awareness to occur as early as possible in the interaction?
I think the jury will determine ZImm was the kind of guy who would try to assert control of the confrontation (one that he was causing) as quickly as possible.
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I think the jury will determine ZImm was the kind of guy who would try to assert control of the confrontation (one that he was causing) as quickly as possible.
I have to admit, from what I've heard, it seems Zimmerman is a person who would want to make Martin aware of the existence of the gun as quickly as possible upon having an encounter with him.
Problem is, that could give Martin a reason to fear for his life.
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Doesn't matter who started it.
It does.
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Do we know Trayvon's injuries yet? Has the full report been released and would those things show up during an autopsy?
I didn't know he was showing lack of injuries. Interesting.
The only injuries I recall reading about from the autopsy were on Martin's knuckles, which had to come from him punching Zimmerman.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/
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No I was asking whether a broken bone could be 100% diagnosed without an xray ? Or is it deemed a suspected broken nose in the absence of xray?
Either way it makes little difference people are not fools , they can look at the pics of Zimmerman from the police station and see his injuries were minimal.
No his head was definitely bleeding, superficial cuts that didn't need a single stitch.
No one is disputing that he was in a physical fracas with Trayvon and he was coming off worse, but his injuries amounted to him being a little "bumped and bruised" not would you'd expect after being pounded in the face more than dozen times.
Do you disagree with the doctor's diagnosis of a broken nose?
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It does.
It does not.
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The only injuries I recall reading about from the autopsy were on Martin's knuckles, which had to come from him punching Zimmerman.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/
That article is BS I'm afraid , he never had "injuries" on his knuckles, he had a single 1/4 of an inch x 1/8 of an inch small abrasion on the left fourth finger, do you realise how small that is ? just over 1/2 cm x 1/4cm...
pdf of Trayvon's autopsy repoort
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/trayvon-martin-autopsy_n_1525763.html
Hardly the damage you'd expect to see on someone who has just pounded someone in the face more than a dozen with their bare fists...Maybe the kid had fists of steel? Or was wearing boxing gloves?
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Do you disagree with the doctor's diagnosis of a broken nose?
I'm not disagreeing, I am just asking whether a broken nose can be 100% diagnosed without xray? Or would it be suspected if no xray?
I'm guessing you don't know either...
As I said I really doubt whether his nose was broken or suspected broken will make much difference. It doesn't take a great deal of force to fracture a bone in the nose(and there is no dispute there was a physical conflict), but as you can see from the Zimmerman police station pics any facial damage is minimal. The camera never lies as they say.
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It does not.
It actually does make a big difference. If you go read the Florida statute re self defence/deadly force. If it is believed that Zimmerman started the confrontation or even if it's believed that his actions would have led a reasonable person to use force against him(following a stranger around late at night?) then the bar for the use of deadly force in self defence is set higher.
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That is BS I'm afraid , he never had "injuries" on his knuckles, he had a single 1/4 of an inch x 1/8 of an inch small abrasion on the left fourth finger, do you realise how small that is ? just over 1/2 cm x 1/4cm...
pdf of Trayvon's autopsy repoort
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/trayvon-martin-autopsy_n_1525763.html
Hardly the damage you'd expect to see on someone who has just pounded someone in the face more than a dozen with their bare fists...Maybe the kid had fists of steel? Or was wearing boxing gloves?
wow, he had one small cut the size of a head of a pin on his pinkie.
THAT is the extent of his hand injuries? Sounds like he was doing a lot more pinning down zimmerman to keep that gun from coming out. :(
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It actually does make a big difference. If you go read the Florida statute re self defence/deadly force. If it is believed that Zimmerman started the confrontation or even if it's believed that his actions would have led a reasonable person to use force against him(following a stranger around late at night?) then the bar for the use of deadly force in self defence is set higher.
hey hey hey that's not what hannity and rush is telling them :D :D
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As soon as Martin becomes aware of the gun, he has legitimate reason to fear for, and to fight for, his life.
Would anyone challenge this?
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That article is BS I'm afraid , he never had "injuries" on his knuckles, he had a single 1/4 of an inch x 1/8 of an inch small abrasion on the left fourth finger, do you realise how small that is ? just over 1/2 cm x 1/4cm...
pdf of Trayvon's autopsy repoort
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/trayvon-martin-autopsy_n_1525763.html
Hardly the damage you'd expect to see on someone who has just pounded someone in the face more than a dozen with their bare fists...Maybe the kid had fists of steel? Or was wearing boxing gloves?
So he had injuries on his knuckles, but just not enough to satisfy you? lol The fact he had injuries on his knuckles and none on his face (or anywhere else), coupled with Zimmerman's injuries, speaks volumes.
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So he had injuries on his knuckles, but just not enough to satisfy you? lol The fact he had injuries on his knuckles and none on his face (or anywhere else), coupled with Zimmerman's injuries, speaks volumes.
hahahahahahaha only in your mind :D
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So he had injuries on his knuckles, but just not enough to satisfy you? lol The fact he had injuries on his knuckles and none on his face (or anywhere else), coupled with Zimmerman's injuries, speaks volumes.
a 1/2 by 1/4 inch abrasion... on his PINKIE? THAT is the injuries from a serious beatdown?
I dunno, that's a very very small abrasion... Zimm's claims looking very weak.
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I'm not disagreeing, I am just asking whether a broken nose can be 100% diagnosed without xray? Or would it be suspected if no xray?
I'm guessing you don't know either...
As I said I really doubt whether his nose was broken or suspected broken will make much difference. It doesn't take a great deal of force to fracture a bone in the nose(and there is no dispute there was a physical conflict), but as you can see from the Zimmerman police station pics any facial damage is minimal. The camera never lies as they say.
I'm not sure if a broken nose can be "100% diagnosed without xray," but what difference does that make? I've been around sports enough to know what a broken nose looks like. And the doctor said he had a broken nose, so who cares what you or I think anyway?
You're saying Martin used "minimal force" to punch Zimmerman in the nose and break it. What the heck is "minimal force"? It's not like they were slap boxing. lol You can't just tap someone on the nose and break it.
So you are disagreeing with the doctor's diagnosis of a broken nose. And yes, the fact (it is a fact) that he had broken nose and cuts on the back of his head makes a huge difference. It supports his story. So do the pictures. So do several witnesses.
But hey you are free to disagree with his doctor:
"A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532
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As soon as Martin becomes aware of the gun, he has legitimate reason to fear for, and to fight for, his life.
Would anyone challenge this?
Yes. There is no evidence of this.
Also, if he sees a gun, he likely runs away, not towards the person with the gun.
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Yes. There is no evidence of this.
Also, if he sees a gun, he likely runs away, not towards the person with the gun.
good point. No wonder he ran 2 blocks to get away from zimmerman. waving around that 9 mm.
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good point. No wonder he ran 2 blocks to get away from zimmerman. waving around that 9 mm.
Where is the evidence that Zimmerman was "waving around that 9 mm"?
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Where is the evidence that Zimmerman was "waving around that 9 mm"?
juries don't need videotape of zimm waving it to convict him.
I can chase a punk kid into an alley, fight him, blow his head off, then gloat "but but but you don't have any witnesses!!"
No, zimm made sure there were no witnesses. He chased the kid 2 blocks in the night. He caused the fight, got ass whooped, then shot the kid.
Juries get incomplete sets of evidence all the time - most murders actually don't take place with videotape catching the whole thing. Seriously. They look at the circumstances leading up to the death - maybe which guy had a gun and was chasing the other - and they reach their conclusion.
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juries don't need videotape of zimm waving it to convict him.
I can chase a punk kid into an alley, fight him, blow his head off, then gloat "but but but you don't have any witnesses!!"
No, zimm made sure there were no witnesses. He chased the kid 2 blocks in the night. He caused the fight, got ass whooped, then shot the kid.
Juries get incomplete sets of evidence all the time - most murders actually don't take place with videotape catching the whole thing. Seriously. They look at the circumstances leading up to the death - maybe which guy had a gun and was chasing the other - and they reach their conclusion.
I missed the part where you showed the evidence he was "waving around that 9 mm." Link? Or are you just pulling that out of your rear end?
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I missed the part where you showed the evidence he was "waving around that 9 mm." Link? Or are you just pulling that out of your rear end?
and your link that martin started the fight :D :D and leave out the part that zimm had cuts :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Yes. There is no evidence of this.
So you don't find it believable, that Zimmerman would make Martin aware of the gun in an attempt to do the right thing in his mind, which was to have this person questioned by police.
Also, if he sees a gun, he likely runs away, not towards the person with the gun.
Meaning you wouldn't accept the probability of 'fight' being much greater than 'flight', given the close contact.
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So you don't find it believable, that Zimmerman would make Martin aware of the gun in an attempt to do the right thing in his mind, which was to have this person questioned by police.
Meaning you wouldn't accept the probability of 'fight' being much greater than 'flight', given the close contact.
No. Martin was a punk. If he saw a gun, there is no way he would have started pounding Zimmerman.
No. Meaning if someone sees a gun, they're more likely to run away, than try and fight a person pointing a gun at them.
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No. Martin was a punk. If he saw a gun, there is no way he would have started pounding Zimmerman.
No. Meaning if someone sees a gun, they're more likely to run away, than try and fight a person pointing a gun at them.
"Zimmerman did say the kid was running away."
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No. Martin was a punk. If he saw a gun, there is no way he would have started pounding Zimmerman.
That's not what I asked, Beach Bum. I want to know if you find it unbelievable that Zimmerman, in an attempt to accomplish what he perceived to be fully right, would take the seemingly appropriate step toward realizing his objective, by making Martin aware of the gun.
No. Meaning if someone sees a gun, they're more likely to run away, than try and fight a person pointing a gun at them.
Do you agree that a person could become combative in order to prevent having a gun pointed at him in the first place?
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That's not what I asked, Beach Bum. I want to know if you find it unbelievable that Zimmerman, in an attempt to accomplish what he perceived to be fully right, would take the seemingly appropriate step toward realizing his objective, by making Martin aware of the gun.
Do you agree that a person could become combative in order to prevent having a gun pointed at him in the first place?
Do I findi it "unbelievable"? No. Anything is possible. Does it make sense? No. Is there any evidence of this? No.
Yes it's possible a person could become combative to prevent a gun from being pointed at them. Does it make sense in this instance? No? Is there any evidence of this? No.
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"Zimmerman did say the kid was running away."
good point. No wonder he ran 2 blocks to get away from zimmerman. waving around that 9 mm.
Proof that he was "waving around that 9 mm"? Or did you just pull that out of your rear end?
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Is there any particular reason my posts were deleted from this thread? They weren't attacking anyone. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot bro's?
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Do I findi it "unbelievable"? No. Anything is possible. Does it make sense? No. Is there any evidence of this? No.
Yes it's possible a person could become combative to prevent a gun from being pointed at them. Does it make sense in this instance? No? Is there any evidence of this? No.
Please go into some detail.
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Is there any particular reason my posts were deleted from this thread? They weren't attacking anyone. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot bro's?
There's another thread on this, bro. It was merged it into the magikusar thread.
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There's another thread on this, bro. It was merged it into the magikusar thread.
Eh... fail. I swear though it was this thread.
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You're right. My bad.
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Please go into some detail.
You want detail about the lack of evidence? It doesn't exist. lol
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You want detail about the lack of evidence? It doesn't exist. lol
Are you saying it doesn't fit with the evidence? If so, where doesn't it fit?
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Are you saying it doesn't fit with the evidence? If so, where doesn't it fit?
I'm saying the "evidence" you're talking about doesn't exist. You made it up. You've come up with a theory, which is fine, but you're theory doesn't = evidence.
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I'm saying the "evidence" you're talking about doesn't exist. You made it up. You've come up with a theory, which is fine, but you're theory doesn't = evidence.
Not sure what you mean to say.
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Not sure what you mean to say.
Not sure how to make it any more plain. Sorry.
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I'm saying the "evidence" you're talking about doesn't exist. You made it up. You've come up with a theory, which is fine, but you're theory doesn't = evidence.
there is more than one person on here coming up with theories :o
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Zimm 2016!
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Not sure how to make it any more plain. Sorry.
You say I was "talking about evidence". Can you direct me to where I was doing that?
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Zimm 2016!
probably more electable than santorum, you are correct.
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So he had injuries on his knuckles, but just not enough to satisfy you? lol The fact he had injuries on his knuckles and none on his face (or anywhere else), coupled with Zimmerman's injuries, speaks volumes.
Since when did a SINGLE injury become "injuries" to "knuckles"?
Do you understand the difference between singular and plural?
And lets bear in mind that SINGLE injury was described by the coroner as a small abrasion 1/4" x 1/8", that is tiny, around the actual same size as the zero character appears in this text.....0.....about as big as that !
Hardly the type of "injuries to knuckles" that support Zimmerman's story that he was pounded in the head more than a dozen times. We know there was a physical confrontation and it looks clear that Zimmerman was coming off worse.
Unfortunately for Zimmerman that in itself is not legal justification to use deadly force against Trayvon.
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I'm not sure if a broken nose can be "100% diagnosed without xray," but what difference does that make? I've been around sports enough to know what a broken nose looks like. And the doctor said he had a broken nose, so who cares what you or I think anyway?
You're saying Martin used "minimal force" to punch Zimmerman in the nose and break it. What the heck is "minimal force"? It's not like they were slap boxing. lol You can't just tap someone on the nose and break it.
So you are disagreeing with the doctor's diagnosis of a broken nose. And yes, the fact (it is a fact) that he had broken nose and cuts on the back of his head makes a huge difference. It supports his story. So do the pictures. So do several witnesses.
But hey you are free to disagree with his doctor:
"A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532
Reading your posts I'm actually beginning to wonder whether or not English is your first language.
Where did I say Trayvon used "minimal force" to break Zimmerman's nose ? I said it does not take a great deal of force to break the nose, which is true, go look it up, the nose is one of the most fragile structures in the body as it is mainly made up of cartilage and is renowned for being easy to break.
And as I said in last post, no it doesn't make much difference whether his nose was broken or not because from the very clear pics from the police station we can see that Zimmerman did not look more than a little bumped and bruised. Did not look like a guy who had just been a fight that would make a reasonable person fear for their life.
But then again nothing Zimmerman did that night appears to be the actions of a reasonable person, more like the actions of an unstable vigilante who had watched one too many TV cop shows.
I think I have seen it reported that Zimmerman was on prescribed medication for some sort of mental condition and insomnia, that would possibly shed some light on why this guy was acting in such an unhinged fashion.
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You say I was "talking about evidence". Can you direct me to where I was doing that?
That's not what I asked, Beach Bum. I want to know if you find it unbelievable that Zimmerman, in an attempt to accomplish what he perceived to be fully right, would take the seemingly appropriate step toward realizing his objective, by making Martin aware of the gun.
Do you agree that a person could become combative in order to prevent having a gun pointed at him in the first place?
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Since when did a SINGLE injury become "injuries" to "knuckles"?
Do you understand the difference between singular and plural?
And lets bear in mind that SINGLE injury was described by the coroner as a small abrasion 1/4" x 1/8", that is tiny, around the actual same size as the zero character appears in this text.....0.....about as big as that !
Hardly the type of "injuries to knuckles" that support Zimmerman's story that he was pounded in the head more than a dozen times. We know there was a physical confrontation and it looks clear that Zimmerman was coming off worse.
Unfortunately for Zimmerman that in itself is not legal justification to use deadly force against Trayvon.
I read the autopsy report. Yes it is a "single" injury to his knuckles, not multiple injuries. Who cares if it was small? The fact he has any injury to his knuckle supports Zimmerman's story that Martin was punching him in the face. So does Zimmerman's broken nose. Clearly supports his claim of self defense.
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Reading your posts I'm actually beginning to wonder whether or not English is your first language.
Where did I say Trayvon used "minimal force" to break Zimmerman's nose ? I said it does not take a great deal of force to break the nose, which is true, go look it up, the nose is one of the most fragile structures in the body as it is mainly made up of cartilage and is renowned for being easy to break.
And as I said in last post, no it doesn't make much difference whether his nose was broken or not because from the very clear pics from the police station we can see that Zimmerman did not look more than a little bumped and bruised. Did not look like a guy who had just been a fight that would make a reasonable person fear for their life.
But then again nothing Zimmerman did that night appears to be the actions of a reasonable person, more like the actions of an unstable vigilante who had watched one too many TV cop shows.
I think I have seen it reported that Zimmerman was on prescribed medication for some sort of mental condition and insomnia, that would possibly shed some light on why this guy was acting in such an unhinged fashion.
How perceptive of you. English is my second language. Pidgin is my first.
I see. So it only takes "minimal force" to break a nose, but you're not saying Martin used "minimal force" to break Zimmerman's nose? Then what's the point of mentioning "minimal force" in the context of a broken nose?
And yes, I'm sure the jury will disregard the fact that his nose was actually broken, because someone might think it doesn't look broken in the picture of his warped bloody nose. Ridiculous.
I don't think Zimmerman had to be in "fear for his life." I think self defense only requires a reasonable belief that you will suffer serious injury. (I think.)
Insomnia medication?? :) Making him unhinged? Hilarious.
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Surely you're not saying the evidence "doesn't exist" that Zimmerman wanted to have Martin questioned...right?
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By the way, yes, it appears that a person would need to be in fear of death or serious bodily injury.
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I read the autopsy report. Yes it is a "single" injury to his knuckles, not multiple injuries. Who cares if it was small? The fact he has any injury to his knuckle supports Zimmerman's story that Martin was punching him in the face. So does Zimmerman's broken nose. Clearly supports his claim of self defense.
Well I think the jury will probably care, as if Trayvon had "injuries to knuckles"(as you claimed) perhaps some swelling to hands/knuckles it would fit more with Zimmerman's story that he was punched hard in the head more than a dozen times , rather than a single scratch.
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How perceptive of you. English is my second language. Pidgin is my first.
I see. So it only takes "minimal force" to break a nose, but you're not saying Martin used "minimal force" to break Zimmerman's nose? Then what's the point of mentioning "minimal force" in the context of a broken nose?
And yes, I'm sure the jury will disregard the fact that his nose was actually broken, because someone might think it doesn't look broken in the picture of his warped bloody nose. Ridiculous.
I don't think Zimmerman had to be in "fear for his life." I think self defense only requires a reasonable belief that you will suffer serious injury. (I think.)
Insomnia medication?? :) Making him unhinged? Hilarious.
LOL I never said it takes "minimal force", I said it doesn't take a great deal of force to break the nose...
I don't think the jury will disregard the reported broken nose, but I doubt it will have that much bearing on their decision, as all it shows is that he took a blow/bump on the nose during a physical altercation(which no one disputes), they will see from the police pics that Zimmerman was not badly beaten.
The thing is, we know he was acting pretty recklessly in the run up to the shooting , following a complete stranger he was advised not to by the 911 dispatcher , showing verbal hostility to an unknown teenager...Why should a jury believe he had then reverted to acting reasonably at the time he shot Trayvon, especially when his injuries do not look to match up to his story that he was punched in the head more than 12 times and had his head repeatedly slammed off the curb.
When someone's head is smashed off the concrete you would usually expect stitches, at the least some head swelling, and there was neither in this case. Even his own private GP report the following day(that reported the broken nose) stated there was no sign of head trauma...After having head repeatedly bounced of the pavement? really?
The jury decision will ultimately depend on whether or not they think Zimmerman had reasonable grounds to fear he was in danger of imminent death or great bodily harm, and if they think he is lying about his account of events this will obviously severely impair his chances of getting off.
I think it's pretty much common knowledge that sleep deprivation has an adverse affect on behaviour and can severely impair a person's ability to think rationally and it wasn't only insomnia, he was also prescribed medication for some form of mental condition, attention deficit or something like that?
I'm not saying for certain this played any role, but it would possibly start to explain why he was acting so edgy and recklessly in the run up to the shooting.
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if anyone here had to bet their private jet on if Zimmerman lied about any part of the incident...
LOL I think we would all agree he probably exaggerated maybe a few times, between the 911 call and his recollection of events.
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if anyone here had to bet their private jet on if Zimmerman lied about any part of the incident...
LOL I think we would all agree he probably exaggerated maybe a few times, between the 911 call and his recollection of events.
i think some on here found martin guilty when they found out he was black :o
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Zimmerman is going to be convicted of murder....there is no way in hell he's going to walk with all the evidence against him.
This will hopefully teach people that you can't go around chasing after people because you think they are committing a crime. Let the police do their fucking job and if you part of the neighborhood watch.....then do just that....WATCH!! ::)
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LOL I never said it takes "minimal force", I said it doesn't take a great deal of force to break the nose...
I don't think the jury will disregard the reported broken nose, but I doubt it will have that much bearing on their decision, as all it shows is that he took a blow/bump on the nose during a physical altercation(which no one disputes), they will see from the police pics that Zimmerman was not badly beaten.
The thing is, we know he was acting pretty recklessly in the run up to the shooting , following a complete stranger he was advised not to by the 911 dispatcher , showing verbal hostility to an unknown teenager...Why should a jury believe he had then reverted to acting reasonably at the time he shot Trayvon, especially when his injuries do not look to match up to his story that he was punched in the head more than 12 times and had his head repeatedly slammed off the curb.
When someone's head is smashed off the concrete you would usually expect stitches, at the least some head swelling, and there was neither in this case. Even his own private GP report the following day(that reported the broken nose) stated there was no sign of head trauma...After having head repeatedly bounced of the pavement? really?
The jury decision will ultimately depend on whether or not they think Zimmerman had reasonable grounds to fear he was in danger of imminent death or great bodily harm, and if they think he is lying about his account of events this will obviously severely impair his chances of getting off.
I think it's pretty much common knowledge that sleep deprivation has an adverse affect on behaviour and can severely impair a person's ability to think rationally and it wasn't only insomnia, he was also prescribed medication for some form of mental condition, attention deficit or something like that?
I'm not saying for certain this played any role, but it would possibly start to explain why he was acting so edgy and recklessly in the run up to the shooting.
Oh brother. So it doesn't "take a great of deal of force," but you're saying that's not "minimal force." lol. Ok.
I believe his head was banged on the grass? I thought that's where the beat down was? In any event, the fact Zimmerman has a cut on the back of his head supports his claim that Martin slammed in his into the ground.
The insomina and insomnia medication sounds pretty silly to me. I doubt that stuff (if true) even gets into evidence.
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Surely you're not saying the evidence "doesn't exist" that Zimmerman wanted to have Martin questioned...right?
No, I'm saying there is zero evidence to support your theories.
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Zimmerman is going to be convicted of murder....there is no way in hell he's going to walk with all the evidence against him.
This will hopefully teach people that you can't go around chasing after people because you think they are committing a crime. Let the police do their fucking job and if you part of the neighborhood watch.....then do just that....WATCH!! ::)
A slam dunk alright. Just like O.J., Casey Anthony, Robert Blake, etc., etc.
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Oh brother. So it doesn't "take a great of deal of force," but you're saying that's not "minimal force." lol. Ok.
I believe his head was banged on the grass? I thought that's where the beat down was? In any event, the fact Zimmerman has a cut on the back of his head supports his claim that Martin slammed in his into the ground.
The insomina and insomnia medication sounds pretty silly to me. I doubt that stuff (if true) even gets into evidence.
He claims his head was repeatedly slammed off the concrete.
"ZIMMERMAN: He started bashing my head into the concrete sidewalk. I was -- as soon as he broke my nose, I was -- I started yelling for help. So, I was disoriented. And he started slamming my head into the concrete."
ZIMMERMAN: In hindsight, I would say when he was slamming my head into the concrete, and I thought I would lose consciousness. I didn't know what would happen at that point.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/07/18/exclusive-george-zimmerman-breaks-silence-hannity?page=4#ixzz2FLAR4XGU
Head being smashed off concrete and no sign of any head trauma(as reported in his private examination) and not a single stitch...hmmm bit odd!
The more I read about this case the more I think he is going to get ripped to shreds by the prosecution even if he doesn't take the stand, apparently the Hannity interview has been entered as evidence in the trial.
Insomnia medication sounds silly?(and it's definitely true google it) LOL...A man guns down an unarmed teenager and you don't think the prosecution will bother mentioning the fact that the shooter was on medication for insomnia and some form of mental complaint. HAHA sounds likely!
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i think some on here found martin guilty when they found out he was black :o
I agree and I'm sure a lot of liberals were ready to scream racism before they saw what Zimmerman looked like?
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I agree and I'm sure a lot of liberals were ready to scream racism before they saw what Zimmerman looked like?
Nope, it only works in one direction. Racism is a one way street. You can tell because they actually have a term for when people are racist against whites, its not "racism", its "reverse racism".
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He claims his head was repeatedly slammed off the concrete.
"ZIMMERMAN: He started bashing my head into the concrete sidewalk. I was -- as soon as he broke my nose, I was -- I started yelling for help. So, I was disoriented. And he started slamming my head into the concrete."
ZIMMERMAN: In hindsight, I would say when he was slamming my head into the concrete, and I thought I would lose consciousness. I didn't know what would happen at that point.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/07/18/exclusive-george-zimmerman-breaks-silence-hannity?page=4#ixzz2FLAR4XGU
Head being smashed off concrete and no sign of any head trauma(as reported in his private examination) and not a single stitch...hmmm bit odd!
The more I read about this case the more I think he is going to get ripped to shreds by the prosecution even if he doesn't take the stand, apparently the Hannity interview has been entered as evidence in the trial.
Insomnia medication sounds silly?(and it's definitely true google it) LOL...A man guns down an unarmed teenager and you don't think the prosecution will bother mentioning the fact that the shooter was on medication for insomnia and some form of mental complaint. HAHA sounds likely!
The picture of his head supports his claim.
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-head-shot.jpg?w=1024&h=680)
I'm sure someone can look at the picture and conclude the injuries were not severe enough (like you have), because he didn't get stiches, but I doubt 12 people will reach that conclusion. I don't think it's reasonable to say the picture does not support Zimmerman's claim that Martin was slamming his head into the concrete. It clearly does. If there were no injuries, I'd say he has problems. But the evidence supports his story.
I'll agree that he probably will not make a very good witness. I saw the interview and he sounded terrible.
No, I'm not going to Google insomnia medication. If it becomes part of Zimmerman's case, then I'll read up on it.
"Mental complaint"? No, I doubt that stuff, if true, becomes a part of his case.
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Nope, it only works in one direction. Racism is a one way street. You can tell because they actually have a term for when people are racist against whites, its not "racism", its "reverse racism".
I love that term reverse racism. Isn't the reverse of racism not racism. What load of shit.
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The picture of his head supports his claim.
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-head-shot.jpg?w=1024&h=680)
I'm sure someone can look at the picture and conclude the injuries were not severe enough (like you have), because he didn't get stiches, but I doubt 12 people will reach that conclusion. I don't think it's reasonable to say the picture does not support Zimmerman's claim that Martin was slamming his head into the concrete. It clearly does. If there were no injuries, I'd say he has problems. But the evidence supports his story.
I'll agree that he probably will not make a very good witness. I saw the interview and he sounded terrible.
No, I'm not going to Google insomnia medication. If it becomes part of Zimmerman's case, then I'll read up on it.
"Mental complaint"? No, I doubt that stuff, if true, becomes a part of his case.
Well I;m of the opinion that most reasonable persons would look at that pic of the back of his head, take into account he never had a single stitch, take into account his own private GP's report stated he had no signs of head trauma, and conclude he is exaggerating/lying about having his head repeatedly slammed off the concrete. Bumped his head a bit on the ground during the confrontation...sure, but head repeatedly smashed off the concrete...and no head trauma, visible swelling or stitches, that's a bit of a stretch.
Too late! The insomnia/mental condition medication is already part of the evidence
"The court documents also show that prior to the shooting, Zimmerman had received prescriptions for Adderall and Temazepam, which have been shown to cause agitation and mood swings, though in less than 10 percent of consumers"
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57435247/george-zimmermans-head-wounds-after-trayvon-martin-shooting-likely-bolster-self-defense-claims/
Only said to cause these side effects in less than 10% but sure fits in with his 911 call! Not only that but then there's the possibility he hadn't been taking his medication properly...None of this is conclusive but all goes towards making Zimmerman look that bit more sketchy.
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he chose to chase an unarmed teenager who had committd no crime, two blocks into the night. A fight ensued, and he killed the kid.
He was angry, goes to state of mind.
he accused trayvon of stealing his bike, goes to motive.
Now, he can make up a nice story about suddenly changing course, putting on a smile, and being attacked by this big mean kid who was fleeing 30 seconds earlier. That's cool. He can make up any defense he wants. But I'd bet the jury won't see it that way.
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he chose to chase an unarmed teenager who had committd no crime, two blocks into the night. A fight ensued, and he killed the kid.
He was angry, goes to state of mind.
he accused trayvon of stealing his bike, goes to motive.
Now, he can make up a nice story about suddenly changing course, putting on a smile, and being attacked by this big mean kid who was fleeing 30 seconds earlier. That's cool. He can make up any defense he wants. But I'd bet the jury won't see it that way.
How many times can you post the same thing bro? Jesus, It's been almost a year and you're still posting the same comment. Over and over like it means something.
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How many times can you post the same thing bro? Jesus, It's been almost a year and you're still posting the same comment. Over and over like it means something.
I think it nullifies a lot of the other arguments.
"But but zimmerman had a boo boo on his head".
yes, he created an unprovable mess where he got hurt a little and the kid got killed a lot.
He could have 1 boo boo or a dozen, and trayvon could have a small nick on finger, or bloody knuckles. The truth of the matter is that the jury will decide who started the shitstorm - and I think it'll be Zimmerman.
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I think it nullifies a lot of the other arguments.
"But but zimmerman had a boo boo on his head".
yes, he created an unprovable mess where he got hurt a little and the kid got killed a lot.
He could have 1 boo boo or a dozen, and trayvon could have a small nick on finger, or bloody knuckles. The truth of the matter is that the jury will decide who started the shitstorm - and I think it'll be Zimmerman.
It doesn't nullify anything, lol.
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Well I;m of the opinion that most reasonable persons would look at that pic of the back of his head, take into account he never had a single stitch, take into account his own private GP's report stated he had no signs of head trauma, and conclude he is exaggerating/lying about having his head repeatedly slammed off the concrete. Bumped his head a bit on the ground during the confrontation...sure, but head repeatedly smashed off the concrete...and no head trauma, visible swelling or stitches, that's a bit of a stretch.
Too late! The insomnia/mental condition medication is already part of the evidence
"The court documents also show that prior to the shooting, Zimmerman had received prescriptions for Adderall and Temazepam, which have been shown to cause agitation and mood swings, though in less than 10 percent of consumers"
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57435247/george-zimmermans-head-wounds-after-trayvon-martin-shooting-likely-bolster-self-defense-claims/
Only said to cause these side effects in less than 10% but sure fits in with his 911 call! Not only that but then there's the possibility he hadn't been taking his medication properly...None of this is conclusive but all goes towards making Zimmerman look that bit more sketchy.
I doubt most reasonable people will disregard what they see. The picture is plain as day. The fact he didn't have stiches doesn't really mean much.
Most reasonable people will look at the picture of his broken nose and conclude he got punched in the nose, while he was on his back (supported by the injury to the back of his head).
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=450338.0;attach=494682;image)
Most reasonable people will believe an uncontested doctor's diagnosis of a broken nose.
Just because something is found in "court documents" doesn't mean it is "part of the evidence." I doubt that stuff comes in. And even if it did, it hardly makes him look "more sketchy."
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It doesn't nullify anything, lol.
Nope. Just making stuff up.
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I doubt most reasonable people will disregard what they see. The picture is plain as day. The fact he didn't have stiches doesn't really mean much.
Most reasonable people will look at the picture of his broken nose and conclude he got punched in the nose, while he was on his back (supported by the injury to the back of his head).
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=450338.0;attach=494682;image)
Most reasonable people will believe an uncontested doctor's diagnosis of a broken nose.
Just because something is found in "court documents" doesn't mean it is "part of the evidence." I doubt that stuff comes in. And even if it did, it hardly makes him look "more sketchy."
LOL really, so you think it will be mentioned that Trayvon had weed in his system(as you was quite happy to point out), but you think documents already in the court's possession showing that Zimmerman was on prescribed medication for insomnia and a mental condition, will somehow not get a mention...OK then...
Lets look at things here, Zimmerman was told not follow Trayvon while he was with his truck, yet he ignored that and killed Trayvon 100yrds or so away from his truck. Zimmerman showed verbal ill will and hostility towards the unknown, unarmed teenager 60 seconds before he shot him dead. Zimmerman's injuries do not fit his account of events. Zimmerman had a history of suffering from insomnia and some mental deficiency for which he was on prescribed drugs for.
Zimmerman and his wife were caught out misleading a court under oath about his finances, Zimmerman has already been shown to change his story re the his original recorded description of Trayvon as "late teens" to then saying in a pre trial hearing he thought Trayvon looked "just a bit younger than myself" at 26...This under oath...not a massive detail but shows along with his deceit about finances, he has no problem lying, not even under oath.
The prosecution will have a field day with the evidence that Zimmerman has already provided, and will no doubt be even worse if he takes the stand.
I will call it a day here as is really just going around in circles now. Just have to wait till the case comes to trial to see what happens.
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beachbum was the same person that believed the polls and thought romney was going to win :D :D :D :D :D
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LOL really, so you think it will be mentioned that Trayvon had weed in his system(as you was quite happy to point out), but you think documents already in the court's possession showing that Zimmerman was on prescribed medication for insomnia and a mental condition, will somehow not get a mention...OK then...
Lets look at things here, Zimmerman was told not follow Trayvon while he was with his truck, yet he ignored that and killed Trayvon 100yrds or so away from his truck. Zimmerman showed verbal ill will and hostility towards the unknown, unarmed teenager 60 seconds before he shot him dead. Zimmerman's injuries do not fit his account of events. Zimmerman had a history of suffering from insomnia and some mental deficiency for which he was on prescribed drugs for.
Zimmerman and his wife were caught out misleading a court under oath about his finances, Zimmerman has already been shown to change his story re the his original recorded description of Trayvon as "late teens" to then saying in a pre trial hearing he thought Trayvon looked "just a bit younger than myself" at 26...This under oath...not a massive detail but shows along with his deceit about finances, he has no problem lying, not even under oath.
The prosecution will have a field day with the evidence that Zimmerman has already provided, and will no doubt be even worse if he takes the stand.
I will call it a day here as is really just going around in circles now. Just have to wait till the case comes to trial to see what happens.
No, I doubt the fact Martin was smoking marijuana before he was shot comes in, unless it's part of the autopsy results.
Yes, we're going in circles. I agree Zimmerman has a huge problem with lying to the judge about the money he and his wife received. Will that result in his conviction for murder? I doubt it.
Overall, I don't think he will be convicted. But I also thought OJ was going down, Casey Anthony would be convicted. And the Ramsey parents and/or son were involved in Jon Benet's murder. (But I'm right about that one. :))
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A slam dunk alright. Just like O.J., Casey Anthony, Robert Blake, etc., etc.
Interesting comparisons you choose, no doubt about it.
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The picture of his head supports his claim.
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gz-head-shot.jpg?w=1024&h=680)
I'm sure someone can look at the picture and conclude the injuries were not severe enough (like you have), because he didn't get stiches, but I doubt 12 people will reach that conclusion. I don't think it's reasonable to say the picture does not support Zimmerman's claim that Martin was slamming his head into the concrete. It clearly does. If there were no injuries, I'd say he has problems. But the evidence supports his story.
I'll agree that he probably will not make a very good witness. I saw the interview and he sounded terrible.
No, I'm not going to Google insomnia medication. If it becomes part of Zimmerman's case, then I'll read up on it.
"Mental complaint"? No, I doubt that stuff, if true, becomes a part of his case.
Can you go further into detail?
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beachbum was the same person that believed the polls and thought romney was going to win :D :D :D :D :D
a lot of smart getbiggers also believed herman cain never did anything inappropriate in 43 years.
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So a person may end up choosing whether to believe that Zimmerman is telling the truth, or believing that he produced a situation where both he and Martin became fearful for their lives. Specifically, that Zimmerman created a situation where Martin became rightfully combative for his life.
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yup agreed he is a dumb shit who shouldnt followed that kid and then turned around and walked back to his truck before being confronted.
what illegal act did he commit now?
MURDER!
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a lot of smart getbiggers also believed herman cain never did anything inappropriate in 43 years.
fox news informed ;D
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MURDER!
Killing a man does not always = Murder
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Can you go further into detail?
Why?
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Why?
No need, Beach Bum. (but you might want to stay away from the poker table)
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No need, Beach Bum. (but you might want to stay away from the poker table)
I don't gamble Jack. But thanks anyway. :)
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I don't gamble Jack. But thanks anyway. :)
You gamble with your credibility by pussy-footing around an issue that you supposedly believe in, don't you?
So I'll ask you again: will you go further into detail?
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You gamble with your credibility by pussy-footing around an issue that you supposedly believe in, don't you?
So I'll ask you again: will you go further into detail?
I'm real concerned about my credibility on this board. The internets is serious business.
I'll ask you again: why?
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I'm real concerned about my credibility on this board. The internets is serious business.
I'll ask you again: why?
Quoted for future use, friend.
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Quoted for future use, friend.
Yikes. Better watch what I say.
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Yikes. Better watch what I say.
..or believe what you say.