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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Skorp1o on February 21, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
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I train twice a week at most lately and have skipped many weeks, low protein diet and plenty of cheese cakes....I start to think I'm getting out shape then sometimes I wake up to get ready for work and I take a quick glance at myself after a shower naked and my jaws drops?
Denarii, hows your keto diet and 4 plate bent over rows going? ;D
(http://s18.postimg.org/pk03muwhl/benjomenjo.jpg)
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Denarii, hows your keto diet and 4 plate bent over rows going? ;D
:D
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Beautiful man. I am so fucking hard right now. My cock-head could cut glass.
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looks like you do all chest and biceps on your few gym sessions, bro. :D
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Why is the top of your head cut off?
Rhetorical question
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looks like you do all chest and biceps on your few gym sessions, bro. :D
That's the "Inmate Workout" and I have bene known to rock it on occasion.
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Why is the top of your head cut off?
Rhetorical question
I'm too tall for the lense...a problem midgets like you know nothing about.
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I'm too tall for the lense...a problem midgets like you know nothing about.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUzsN9XCMAAfK40.jpg:large)
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(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUzsN9XCMAAfK40.jpg:large)
Hows training going with your Punjabi genetics?
(http://www.itdunya.com/attachments/139775d1251141891-indian-police.jpg)
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Looking great bro!
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Looking great bro!
Thanks Joon
You forgot to add no homo, but I won't judge :D
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Looking great bro!
I think that Skorp could be an Uncle Junior sponsored athlete. He'd look good in the branded sweats.
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I think that Skorp could be an Uncle Junior sponsored athlete. He'd look good in the branded sweats.
I'm not sure I can fulfill Joon's "Skype" demands as well as BigRo.
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solid physique. good work.
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Hows training going with your Punjabi genetics?
(http://www.itdunya.com/attachments/139775d1251141891-indian-police.jpg)
Its all good bro, just don't post more images as gay as this again
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Its all good bro, just don't post more images as gay as this again
Why do you have saved pictures of gay mixed race men?
Go get your balloon knot stretched elsewhere Punjabi-homo, I'm not interested.
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more beautiful men in towels
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01459/pspa1_1459565c.jpg)
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Why do you have saved pictures of gay mixed race men?
Go get your balloon knot stretched elsewhere Punjabi-homo, I'm not interested.
Its ok, you were going through an 'experimental phase' in your youth when that was taken, getbig is gay friendly
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Its ok, you were going through an 'experimental phase' in your youth when that was taken, getbig is gay friendly
I'm a Mod now, so I will refrain from arguying with peasants like you.
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very nice build! Dosent need one inch/poundmore of muscle, nice fram nice lines, slim! Pussypullin physic :D
Im not gay!
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I'm a Mod now, so I will refrain from arguying with peasants like you.
Good, we don't want stress moving that hairline back any further
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you look really good scorpio... but take off the towel, show us the wheels
not gonna say it :D
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good silky smooth oiled up turkish bathhouse look
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I still don't know what brand of remote he's holding ? ???
It's a comb, he likes to pretend he has hair
oh and thanks for ruining my chances with the very funny ha-ha-ha cock stunt you pulled, just great!
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It's a comb, he likes to pretend he has hair
(http://apocalypstick.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/patrick-bateman.gif)
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and skorpio stop deleting threads where booty and vince gets anihilated, it's more homosexual than blowing 40 guys on a gay boat cruise
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good body but it doesn't count becuz ur black. black people have good bodys without much effort
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good body but it doesn't count becuz ur black. black people have good bodys without much effort
taking little doses of test among other tings helps also to have muscle if you like to train twice a week on machines and drive bicycle for legs
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dude looks good,athletic muscle 'no homo..star tatoo whats that about?
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You need more mass, this is GETBIG.
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Perhaps the gayest pic ever on GB
Looking great bro :)
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Why is the top of your head cut off?
Rhetorical question
His ISIS faction discovered he was gay.
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Shit legs by any chance?
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and skorpio stop deleting threads where booty and vince gets anihilated, it's more homosexual than blowing 40 guys on a gay boat cruise
What are you talking about??? What thread exactly?
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8)Looking like a boss! 8)
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That is great you can maintain effortlessly
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What kind of remote is that in your R hand?
Are you implying Skorp1o might enjoying himself with the support of a wireless controlled butt-plug?
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I'm not sure I can fulfill Joon's "Skype" demands as well as BigRo.
fisting your own anus takes practice, but it can be learned.
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Needs star on other shoulder to create symetry..would not hit
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I train twice a week at most lately and have skipped many weeks, low protein diet and plenty of cheese cakes....I start to think I'm getting out shape then sometimes I wake up to get ready for work and I take a quick glance at myself after a shower naked and my jaws drops?
Denarii, hows your keto diet and 4 plate bent over rows going? ;D
(http://s18.postimg.org/pk03muwhl/benjomenjo.jpg)
8.19.2011
Isn t that star tattoo on the shoulder typical in brazilian shemale scene?
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Would like to be that towel.
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Is the charade of Skorp being straight still going? In the video version of this Kai pops out from under the towel.
And oh yeah, for all the shit you gave about my junk looking small in my posing trunks on contest day, you ain't got much to show there stud. Yes homo for looking at his junk...
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Is the charade of Skorp being straight still going? In the video version of this Kai pops out from under the towel.
And oh yeah, for all the shit you gave about my junk looking small in my posing trunks on contest day, you ain't got much to show there stud. Yes homo for looking at his junk...
I never gave you shit about your penis, I merely highlighted facts relating to it's girth, or the severe lack off it shall I say.
I like your small penis, I think it looks cute on a grown man.
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I never gave you shit about your penis, I merely highlighted facts relating to it's girth, or the severe lack off it shall I say.
I like your small penis, I think it looks cute on a grown man.
Outed as fuck.
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Outed as fuck.
Cute Dick, need to cut down on your espressos, you seem a bit hyper today.
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Cute Dick, need to cut down on your espressos, you seem a bit hyper today.
:D
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Cute Dick, need to cut down on your espressos, you seem a bit hyper today.
:D
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I am proud.
the mighty Skorpio has absorbed the teachings and has become enlightened.
Superior
is superior
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looks like you do all chest and biceps on your few gym sessions, bro. :D
lets face it, thats all that matters, women just look at those muscles, they dont care about your level of hamstring development.
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I am proud.
the mighty Skorpio has absorbed the teachings and has become enlightened.
Superior
is superior
Thank you, you beautiful concentration of muscle matter even scientists are baffled
Peasants will never be kings, Lord Palpatino...it's that simple
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I train twice a week at most lately and have skipped many weeks, low protein diet and plenty of cheese cakes....I start to think I'm getting out shape then sometimes I wake up to get ready for work and I take a quick glance at myself after a shower naked and my jaws drops?
Denarii, hows your keto diet and 4 plate bent over rows going? ;D
(http://s18.postimg.org/pk03muwhl/benjomenjo.jpg)
8.19.2011
Good physique.
How long have you been cycling Mastodon for?
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Good physique.
How long have you been cycling Mastodon for?
Whenever I decide to jump back on its the first thing I buy,I seldom take test nowadays...a bit of car when I get hold of a good brand.
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lets face it, thats all that matters, women just look at those muscles, they dont care about your level of hamstring development.
Yeah, the whole "let's see your legs thing" has always been pretty stupid.
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Completely no homoz, but is this an advertisement for a webcam show (not like I'd buy any ::) well at least not while sober...or while it's a daytime...)?
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Yeah, the whole "let's see your legs thing" has always been pretty stupid.
most women are not interested in seeing some "huge separated quads" or massive lats. Abs, pecs and guns. In fact most women just like a guy with a 6 pack, he can have 13 inch drain cleaner arms in most cases.
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Good physique.
How long have you been cycling Mastodon for?
These things can be cycled? Must be out of the loop
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These things can be cycled? Must be out of the loop
Oh yeah, they are very anabolic, I've been cycling them for years out in Dubai, India.
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what a bunch of drug users here :D
I bet you can't even piss without taking something anabolic.
it seems everything you are comes from inside of a small bottle of some kind. I bet you guys have zero interest in any sort of training if you went on with nothing but food and water.
That's why I pussied out from my first cycle, I didn't want to take the risk to become something like you guys. "Yeah I train nothing but abs now days, so I only take advil" lmao :D
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what a bunch of drug users here :D
I bet you can't even piss without taking something anabolic.
it seems everything you are comes from inside of a small bottle of some kind. I bet you guys have zero interest in any sort of training if you went on with nothing but food and water.
I dont think that is fair, I cant comment for the other users, but as I pointed out I generally only cycle Mastodon's and they certainly dont fit in a small bottle.
Occasionally I follow up with a course of Clambutteroil afterwards if I need to cut, but even then, you would struggle to fit a single clam in a bottle.
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I dont think that is fair, I cant comment for the other users, but as I pointed out I generally only cycle Mastodon's and they certainly dont fit in a small bottle.
Occasionally I follow up with a course of Clambutteroil afterwards if I need to cut, but even then, you would struggle to fit a single clam in a bottle.
I will admit to LOL'ing.
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what a bunch of drug users here :D
I bet you can't even piss without taking something anabolic.
it seems everything you are comes from inside of a small bottle of some kind. I bet you guys have zero interest in any sort of training if you went on with nothing but food and water.
That's why I pussied out from my first cycle, I didn't want to take the risk to become something like you guys. "Yeah I train nothing but abs now days, so I only take advil" lmao :D
I considered jumping on, but waking up everyday after 40 wondering if I took 25 years off my life for an inch or two more on my arms doesn't seem worth it.
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I considered jumping on, but waking up everyday after 40 wondering if I took 25 years off my life for an inch or two more on my arms doesn't seem worth it.
What onto a Mastodon?
Go for it, there are no real side effects, certainly not like steroids at least.
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I considered jumping on, but waking up everyday after 40 wondering if I took 25 years off my life for an inch or two more on my arms doesn't seem worth it.
If you have low T when you are older, will you consider TRT?
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If you have low T when you are older, will you consider TRT?
I probably wouldnt consider TRT, while it will address some issues, it introduces a number of negatives which I believe outweigh the positives.
The mains issues with low test can be addressed or at least managed with other nutritional factors and drugs with less side effects.
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The mains issues with low test can be addressed or at least managed with other nutritional factors and drugs with less side effects.
Tried all of the nutritional ones. No dice for me.
Which drugs? Anti-E's? Clomid? Pro-hormones?
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what a bunch of drug users here :D
I bet you can't even piss without taking something anabolic.
it seems everything you are comes from inside of a small bottle of some kind. I bet you guys have zero interest in any sort of training if you went on with nothing but food and water.
That's why I pussied out from my first cycle, I didn't want to take the risk to become something like you guys. "Yeah I train nothing but abs now days, so I only take advil" lmao :D
You sound like one of those right wing Nordic guys who if elected would pass a law that tests regular gym users and arrest and ban them.......Oh wait
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You sound like one of those right wing Nordic guys who if elected would pass a law that tests regular gym users and arrest and ban them.......Oh wait
You got me wrong, my dear english friend. I'm one of the few who thinks steroids should be legal, and also get doctors analysis what and how and when, with a little bit of money, getting good shit.
I just find it ammusing how many of you use something... You use something described By either a doctor or you get it from the streets, but you all use something to get whatever results you're looking for.
You probably would still use something if you only trained abs and walked couple of miles a day :D
Take those substances away from you and 90% of you would leave this site, and not because you wouldn't look the same, you also wouldn't be the same, I guarantee.
(waits till thread gets deleted accidentally)
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^ I totally agree.
I would not bodybuild without aas, the reason being is what attracted me to it in the first place was a body goal that is unattainable naturally... growing up watching Arnie and then getting my first ever flex mag.
If I stopped using a as, I'd still train but I would do a different sport.
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good bod but the tattoos are like bumper stickers on a fancy car
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^ I totally agree.
I would not bodybuild without aas, the reason being is what attracted me to it in the first place was a body goal that is unattainable naturally... growing up watching Arnie and then getting my first ever flex mag.
If I stopped using a as, I'd still train but I would do a different sport.
That's totally understandable. I've had opportunities to use aas, but always decline/pussied out. You still look better than others who don't do weightlifting seriously at all. Or you would have to go to some swimming/gymnastics club and never skip a workout, but even they mix weightlifting to their regime because it should never be undermined in making you better in whatever sport you do.
however, the aas helps a TON in any sport.
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i would love to spot u one day and like Rich Punani says one day i may
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^ I totally agree.
I would not bodybuild without aas, the reason being is what attracted me to it in the first place was a body goal that is unattainable naturally... growing up watching Arnie and then getting my first ever flex mag.
If I stopped using a as, I'd still train but I would do a different sport.
Were the drugs worth the hair loss?I'm sure a max natty build plus a full head of hair would have netted you more men.
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Were the drugs worth the hair loss?I'm sure a max natty build plus a full head of hair would have netted you more men.
Army of one...still thinking making smartass remarks puts him on an even keel with members who display superior physiques. LOLOLOLOL
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Army of one...still thinking making smartass remarks puts him on an even keel with members who display superior physiques. LOLOLOLOL
I'm sure your physique is loved by your boss when he picks you to carry the heaviest broken TV's from peoples homes.
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Is going to the gym, without using gear -to look good/getting stronger considered "bodybulding"? Or are you a businessman who trains 2 times a week in the gym to sculpt a physique that reflects your position of power in society?
If I do mma for few years, without planning to take part in any competition, does it make me a "mma fighter"?
Because if that's the case groink is a bodybuilder/weighltlifter/wall climber/pimp at least
imo it's easyer to be considered an alcoholic than to be considered a bodybuilder. Ok so skorpio said his soul purpose was to achieve a physique that's unattainable naturally, which is fine. But is it really impossible to get to those mesures/bodyfat of skorpio without aas?
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Were the drugs worth the hair loss?I'm sure a max natty build plus a full head of hair would have netted you more men.
Most women I date are in the region of 5ft7 to 5ft10....as I'm taller all they get to see on eye level is a pair of tanned seperated thick pecs.
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Army of one...still thinking making smartass remarks puts him on an even keel with members who display superior physiques. LOLOLOLOL
I know a little bit about psychology.... It's sexual frustration cos we're unattainable, guys like us wouldn't be caught dead chilling with a beer next to him. His unsatisfied desires turn into frustration and this is reflected in his posts.
If I secretly sent him cock pics he would become very nice behind the scenes, but I like seeing Punjabi-homos suffer in my admiration.
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I know a little bit about psychology.... It's sexual frustration cos we're unattainable, guys like us wouldn't be caught dead chilling with a beer next to him. His unsatisfied desires turn into frustration and this is reflected in his posts.
If I secretly sent him cock pics he would become very nice behind the scenes, but I like seeing Punjabi-homos suffer in my admiration.
I respect your masculinity. But your over machoism is playd out.
Last summer I was in a club. Two very highly dressed, maybe 6'1 tanned caucasian male, and some puertorican looking guy were standing together, drinking some fine as looking drink. They had that similar "yeah, I can spend a thousand a day, I have a nice fucking car" smirk what you have. There I go with jeans and t shirt, pulling a 5'10 hot brunette right infront of them. The two guys looked at me in the strangest fucking way.
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Most women I date are in the region of 5ft7 to 5ft10....as I'm taller all they get to see on eye level is a pair of tanned seperated thick pecs.
yes i know how that feels, when broads passing me by in a club barely restrain themselves from touching my magnificent chest (the older they are the bolder they get, the younger ones usually go stealthy for the ass ), sometimes i just feel like a piece of meat and it feels great
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Tried all of the nutritional ones. No dice for me.
Which drugs? Anti-E's? Clomid? Pro-hormones?
No the nutritional ones and even the drugs are never going to get your test levels back to what they were. My comment was that there are ways to address the "issues" caused by low test, ie low sex drive, increase potential for osteoporosis, muscle loss, not necessarily address the low test itself. There is not much you can do to raise very low test levels, things like zinc, de-alcholised red wine, etc can have some effects but those are minimal.
Getting sufficient sunlight exposure to produce melanin which in turn will increase your libido, using cialis can allow for more frequent sex which in turn can increase your own testestone levels. Vitamin D,K, Calcium for bone density. All these things are a crutch, but will never compete with TRT.
My point was by taking TRT you set yourself up for other issues such as myocardial fibrosis, oedema, enlarged LVH, reduced/iiregular cardiac conductivity, so the issue is which path are you willing to choose.
Do you take the TRT and live with the long term cardiac sides and the increased potential for sudden cardiac death or do you live with the effects of low test levels, and try to make the best of the situation via supplements, and other less harmful drugs?
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I respect your masculinity. But your over machoism is playd out.
Last summer I was in a club. Two very highly dressed, maybe 6'1 tanned caucasian male, and some puertorican looking guy were standing together, drinking some fine as looking drink. They had that similar "yeah, I can spend a thousand a day, I have a nice fucking car" smirk what you have. There I go with jeans and t shirt, pulling a 5'10 hot brunette right infront of them. The two guys looked at me in the strangest fucking way.
There your problem right there, they're only 6ft1
There's being in shape and there's shape greatness by birth, look at the body dimensions here, the shoulder to waist ratio, the pinnacle of athletisim, the tan...it's like a superior Alien bieng morphed with a human. On top of that, earns enough to get the fuck out far far away and explore the world, whilst the Army of Scum is posting here daily non-stop.
(http://s17.postimg.org/4snnyemyn/skorpbeach.jpg)
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There your problem right there, they're only 6ft1
There's being in shape and there's shape greatness by birth, look at the body dimensions here, the shoulder to waist ratio, the pinnacle of athletisim, the tan...it's like a superior Alien bieng morphed with a human. On top of that, earns enough to get the fuck out far far away and explore the world, whilst the Army of Scum is posting here daily non-stop.
(http://s17.postimg.org/4snnyemyn/skorpbeach.jpg)
I hear you on that one. And you look bad ass there!
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There your problem right there, they're only 6ft1
There's being in shape and there's shape greatness by birth, look at the body dimensions here, the shoulder to waist ratio, the pinnacle of athletisim, the tan...it's like a superior Alien bieng morphed with a human. On top of that, earns enough to get the fuck out far far away and explore the world, whilst the Army of Scum is posting here daily non-stop.
(http://s17.postimg.org/4snnyemyn/skorpbeach.jpg)
Army of One also spends his nights searching for a hard cock on Grinder. He does not spend all his time in front of the computer.
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Dude looks really good, i work out 6 days and week and look no where near as polished.
Skorp, do you use gear? Sorry dont wanna read all 4 pages to find answer if its been said
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Army of One also spends his nights searching for a hard cock on Grinder. He does not spend all his time in front of the computer.
I'm shocked, I shall add you to the shitlist now
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No the nutritional ones and even the drugs are never going to get your test levels back to what they were. My comment was that there are ways to address the "issues" caused by low test, ie low sex drive, increase potential for osteoporosis, muscle loss, not necessarily address the low test itself. There is not much you can do to raise very low test levels, things like zinc, de-alcholised red wine, etc can have some effects but those are minimal.
Getting sufficient sunlight exposure to produce melanin which in turn will increase your libido, using cialis can allow for more frequent sex which in turn can increase your own testestone levels. Vitamin D,K, Calcium for bone density. All these things are a crutch, but will never compete with TRT.
My point was by taking TRT you set yourself up for other issues such as myocardial fibrosis, oedema, enlarged LVH, reduced/iiregular cardiac conductivity, so the issue is which path are you willing to choose.
Do you take the TRT and live with the long term cardiac sides and the increased potential for sudden cardiac death or do you live with the effects of low test levels, and try to make the best of the situation via supplements, and other less harmful drugs?
Using TRT to get NORMAL test levels in the range of 600-1000 is not going to give u any of these issues. If that were the case, normal teens or adults with hi natty test would also suffer from thesr cardiac issues...which doesnt happen usually
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Dude looks really good, i work out 6 days and week and look no where near as polished.
Skorp, do you use gear? Sorry dont wanna read all 4 pages to find answer if its been said
Yes
Never more than two shots a week of anything though. usually reduce it to one ML shot and add an oral, i repond better with orals than higher doses of injections.
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I'm sure your physique is loved by your boss when he picks you to carry the heaviest broken TV's from peoples homes.
thanks for proving my point for me...LOL
those who can : post impressive pics
those who can't : whine about those who can ;)
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thanks for proving my point for me...LOL
those who can : post impressive pics
those who can't : whine about those who can ;)
Honest question, are you back on drugs? recent pics of you don't look healthy, gaunt even
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Yes
Never more than two shots a week of anything though. usually reduce it to one ML shot and add an oral, i repond better with orals than higher doses of injections.
Nice, impressive physique on that low amount. Im sure u slay serious pussy looking like that
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why do fat people always say that
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I probably wouldnt consider TRT, while it will address some issues, it introduces a number of negatives which I believe outweigh the positives.
The mains issues with low test can be addressed or at least managed with other nutritional factors and drugs with less side effects.
It's funny how many people are UNeducated on this issue. Yeah... really outweights detoriation of endothelial lining, mind sharpness, lower risk of hear dissease, and probably even lower risk of prostate cancer. Please shut up with this bro science for once all you extreme "naturalists".
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Nice, impressive physique on that low amount. Im sure u slay serious pussy looking like that
I went through a phase where I was travelling a lot and scoring in all different parts of all of Europe, I dated strippers, models, students, rich divorcee's...you name it, most times I had more than one thing going on at once.
Right now I'm enjoying a slower pace of life, although my current GF is a Scandinavian ex-page 3 model.
(http://s12.postimg.org/ykmh23mgt/skorp.jpg)
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You got me wrong, my dear english friend. I'm one of the few who thinks steroids should be legal, and also get doctors analysis what and how and when, with a little bit of money, getting good shit.
I just find it ammusing how many of you use something... You use something described By either a doctor or you get it from the streets, but you all use something to get whatever results you're looking for.
You probably would still use something if you only trained abs and walked couple of miles a day :D
Take those substances away from you and 90% of you would leave this site, and not because you wouldn't look the same, you also wouldn't be the same, I guarantee.
(waits till thread gets deleted accidentally)
No wonder. Take anything from a person that "makes that person" and he won't be the same. I obviously coul not feel stronger and be in a better physical shape at almost 30 than I was at 20 without drugs. Who the fuck cares, I enjoy every moment of it, to the fullest. If I'll have to pay for it, well, I have money and hope that medicine will bail me out. If not... oh well, it's not like life is very serious bussiness when you think long enough.
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why do fat people always say that
Amry of One picking on Lord Palpatino...now this is a funny sight.
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^ I totally agree.
I would not bodybuild without aas, the reason being is what attracted me to it in the first place was a body goal that is unattainable naturally... growing up watching Arnie and then getting my first ever flex mag.
If I stopped using a as, I'd still train but I would do a different sport.
This. And I could add that I've been working out like a mad man for 10 years, non stop, before I touched drugs. And that was because I got tired of not seeing the results anymore and feeling like I'll get an injury as I've always loved lifting and lifting hard. It's a human nature - better, faster, stronger, higher, more perfect... Everyone want to see superman athletes in olympics, but noone want to allow them to use drugs ::)
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There your problem right there, they're only 6ft1
There's being in shape and there's shape greatness by birth, look at the body dimensions here, the shoulder to waist ratio, the pinnacle of athletisim, the tan...it's like a superior Alien bieng morphed with a human. On top of that, earns enough to get the fuck out far far away and explore the world, whilst the Army of Scum is posting here daily non-stop.
(http://s17.postimg.org/4snnyemyn/skorpbeach.jpg)
Looking good there. Too bad the tats ruin it. :D
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No wonder. Take anything from a person that "makes that person" and he won't be the same. I obviously coul not feel stronger and be in a better physical shape at almost 30 than I was at 20 without drugs. Who the fuck cares, I enjoy every moment of it, to the fullest. If I'll have to pay for it, well, I have money and hope that medicine will bail me out. If not... oh well, it's not like life is very serious bussiness when you think long enough.
Exactly
I could say the same thing about my job, its stressful and I work long hours, I'm sure if I worked part time as a security guard I'd live longer....but when I'm sitting in a duplex on the 70th floor in Dubai India watching the sunset whilst my scandinavian gf is blowing me, none of this would be possible on a part time job as a security guard.
Life is give and take...for me life to a certain extent is not about how long you live it, its how well you live it.
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Using TRT to get NORMAL test levels in the range of 600-1000 is not going to give u any of these issues. If that were the case, normal teens or adults with hi natty test would also suffer from thesr cardiac issues...which doesnt happen usually
Your making the assumption that externally administered testosterone is handled by the body is the same ways as endogenously produced testosterone. It isnt, and thats why normal teens or adults with hi natty test dont suffer those problems.
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Looking good there. Too bad the tats ruin it. :D
What he said.
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Exactly
I could say the same thing about my job, its stressful and I work long hours, I'm sure if I worked part time as a security guard I'd live longer....but when I'm sitting in a duplex on the 70th floor in Dubai India watching the sunset whilst my scandinavian gf is blowing me, none of this would be possible on a part time job as a security guard.
Life is give and take...for me life to a certain extent is not about how long you live it, its how well you live it.
Bingo.
Tho' some miserable people like to emphasize of what you can "loose"when you take risks, but they never ever want to admit of what you can GET. ANd that is because they avoid any risks in life thus they llive a long life.................whi le being miserable most of the time, and pointing fingers "Look, that fool, haha, he's doing that oh shit.", "Hey, what a moron, don't you think you will lose your this and that because of this?". What if that finger is turned backwards and pointed at them. I'm pretty sure they'd have something to say in most cases, something they would not like to hear.
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Your making the assumption that externally administered testosterone is handled by the body is the same ways as endogenously produced testosterone. It isnt, and thats why normal teens or adults with hi natty test dont suffer those problems.
If it is a bio identical hormone and it is administered IM - body has NO way of knowing whether it is natural or not. And if something is not being produced in a body anymore it is usualy a trouble in a making, be it hormones, stomach acid, cells of immune system or whatever...
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Not bad for a beach look... Good job...
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Why is there a 2011 date below the picture?
I seem to have the mid week drinking under control but havent been doing so much lifting as tired in mornings. Need to get back on it. I have lost some strength actually.
Why is there no apparent bulge in the towel, did the gear use shrink some things down?
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Why is there a 2011 date below the picture?
I seem to have the mid week drinking under control but havent been doing so much lifting as tired in mornings. Need to get back on it. I have lost some strength actually.
Why is there no apparent bulge in the towel, did the gear use shrink some things down?
:-* what no reply
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Amry of One picking on Lord Palpatino...now this is a funny sight.
ha ha
"picking on" implies he's actually bothering me...LOLOLOL
the more sniping and snarky the remark, the better i know I look. 8)
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It's funny how many people are UNeducated on this issue. Yeah... really outweights detoriation of endothelial lining, mind sharpness, lower risk of hear dissease, and probably even lower risk of prostate cancer. Please shut up with this bro science for once all you extreme "naturalists".
It's funny how many people make ASSumptions without bothering to get their facts straight. I dont know where you got the idea that anybody is an extreme naturalist, where you referring to me? I couldnt give a fuck what people take, I was just responding to Aj's question to me on the pro's and con's of TRT and what my opinion was from a health perspective.
Your post doesnt make a great deal of sense. I dont know who is referring to bro science, but it isnt me, that fact that you mentioned that TRT can help with endothelial function, reducing the risk of heart disease and prostate cancer would suggests you have no clue what you are talking about. Endothelial dysfunction, heart disease and prostate cancer risk all increase with the use of anabolic steroids, including testosterone. there is a large amount of scientific literature on the myriad effects of steroids on the cardiovascular system and new studies are released frequently.
If you are in full command of your brain, something I realise not everyone is, you educate yourself on the risks involved with taking gear and then you take measures to address those risks. For those people who dont have full control of their brain, they just take any old shit, say what the hell, stick their head in the sand, roll the dice and see what shit happens to them down the line. Most steroid users fall into the second category and get overly defensive when they realise they may have fucked themselves up in the process.
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Exactly
I could say the same thing about my job, its stressful and I work long hours, I'm sure if I worked part time as a security guard I'd live longer....but when I'm sitting in a duplex on the 70th floor in Dubai India watching the sunset whilst my scandinavian gf is blowing me, none of this would be possible on a part time job as a security guard.
Life is give and take...for me life to a certain extent is not about how long you live it, its how well you live it.
Good statement!
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There I go with jeans and t shirt, pulling a 5'10 hot brunette right infront of them.
Then, later that evening, she asked you "how are you feeling", and you ended up curled up in the fetal position under a desk where you proceeded to over analyze and over think yourself into a coma.
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It's funny how many people make ASSumptions without bothering to get their facts straight. I dont know where you got the idea that anybody is an extreme naturalist, where you referring to me? I couldnt give a fuck what people take, I was just responding to Aj's question to me on the pro's and con's of TRT and what my opinion was from a health perspective.
Your post doesnt make a great deal of sense. I dont know who is referring to bro science, but it isnt me, that fact that you mentioned that TRT can help with endothelial function, reducing the risk of heart disease and prostate cancer would suggests you have no clue what you are talking about. Endothelial dysfunction, heart disease and prostate cancer risk all increase with the use of anabolic steroids, including testosterone
Sources of peer reviewed reasearch on these claims?
Don't forget we are talking about a HRT.
I was not referring to you directly btw.
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If it is a bio identical hormone and it is administered IM - body has NO way of knowing whether it is natural or not. And if something is not being produced in a body anymore it is usualy a trouble in a making, be it hormones, stomach acid, cells of immune system or whatever...
I do agree that if it is bio identical then it should not impart some of the negative side effects that the structurally different forms of testosterone do. However how many people can get their hands on, or have been using bio-identical test. Not many is the reality.
The body will know that its not producing it because neither the brain signalled its production, nor did the testes produce that testosterone. With that said for someone who has extremely low testosterone then I would say bioidentical testosterone probably does have its value.
In reference to your previous point about higher than normal testosterone levels not affecting people, I forgot to mention that African-American men are at higher risk of prostate cancer, one of the theories being that this is due to their higher lifelong exposure to elevated natural testosterone levels.
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I do agree that if it is bio identical then it should not impart some of the negative side effects that the structurally different forms of testosterone do. However how many people can get their hands on, or have been using bio-identical test. Not many is the reality.
The body will know that its not producing it because neither the brain signalled its production, nor did the testes produce that testosterone. With that said for someone who has extremely low testosterone then I would say bioidentical testosterone probably does have its value.
In reference to your previous point about higher than normal testosterone levels not affecting people, I forgot to mention that African-American men are at higher risk of prostate cancer, one of the theories being that this is due to their higher lifelong exposure to elevated natural testosterone levels.
Testosterone is very easily manifactured hormone (luckily), quite a simple mollecular structure.
And speaking of brain not producing, well it does happen for most males over 40.
As for african males, there is a very extensive (not making up, could find if you are interested) big study who completely ruled out testosterone as a possible cause fo canre. Actually vice versa - it may be a lack of it (and higher estrogen) which is exactly what happens with age.
It's really far from obsolete negative, that is for sure. Used with a proper provision and regular check ups it may be one of the best things to do for staying healthier/younger for longer.
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Excess testosterone, basically anywhere very around 1400 Ng/dl and over has proven to have adverse effects on health, basically most types of illnesses and disease the risks go up.That's why docs will only give you around 100mg every fortnight or so which will usually put you around the 600 ng/dl mark.
Really it depends if you want to live now and reap the benefits of looking muscular now vs being smaller and living a long life, and not checking out on your wife and kids early.
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Excess testosterone, basically anywhere very around 1400 Ng/dl has proven to have adverse effects on health, basically most types of illnesses and disease the risks go up.That's why docs will only give you around 100mg every fortnight or so which will usually put you around the 600 ng/dl mark.
Really it depends if you want to live now and reap the benefits of looking muscular now vs being smaller and living a long life, and not checking out on your wife and kids early.
Exact sources? (I know you are making up bullshit as there are really NO legit studies on this as it is considered "unethical" to use these doses for the experiment with humans).
let's at least not pull stuff out of our ass and say that it is a shady territory where no obsolete knowledge exists yet.
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Why is there a 2011 date below the picture?
I seem to have the mid week drinking under control but havent been doing so much lifting as tired in mornings. Need to get back on it. I have lost some strength actually.
Why is there no apparent bulge in the towel, did the gear use shrink some things down?
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Then, later that evening, she asked you "how are you feeling", and you ended up curled up in the fetal position under a desk where you proceeded to over analyze and over think yourself into a coma.
LOL!!!
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Has the 2011 date been brought up?
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Testosterone is very easily manifactured hormone (luckily), quite a simple mollecular structure.
And speaking of brain not producing, well it does happen for most males over 40.
As for african males, there is a very extensive (not making up, could find if you are interested) big study who completely ruled out testosterone as a possible cause fo canre. Actually vice versa - it may be a lack of it (and higher estrogen) which is exactly what happens with age.
It's really far from obsolete negative, that is for sure. Used with a proper provision and regular check ups it may be one of the best things to do for staying healthier/younger for longer.
I agree with your points that there is plenty of studies that also show postive benefits to testosterone supplementation. No need to post up the studies I have seen some of them, I dont want to get into a pissing match ;D After all this is getbig and not a serious bodybuilding forum ;) I've had a few too many of these conversations before posting studies back and forth on proper bodybuilding forums.
I realise that for every study I post you can post one that suggests to the contrary, thats pretty much nature of research with everything, conflicting evidence and restults. There is a differing of opinion, in the US, the concept of TRT for men is accepted far more so more than in the UK and Europe in general. One thing I would say is that some of the studies on men that have shown positive benefits have been on men who have made no other lifestyle changes other than take TRT.
The question is what improvements would they have made in their general metabolic parameters if they had made other lifestyle changes, ie weight loss, exercise, diet, cut back on alcohol etc. That is really my point. I think that for many people with low test, they should make other changes first to optimise their health, dietary, exercise and otherwise. If after all that and they still have problems, then TRT could be a possible avenue of treatment.
Assuming that a person after making all these changes still had low test what do you consider to be a reasonable "dosage" would you consider a testosterone patch to be sufficient, or more. From what I have seen, a lot of men are not using TRT to "normalise" their levels but go beyond to a point they are gaining more muscle than they had before which would suggest they are moving into the realms of dosage found with recreational bodybuilders. I havnt seen any studies which have compared the effects of TRT dosages used to normalise test levels, vs higher TRT dosages which put people into anabolic state. Perhaps there are some out there, I dont know what the results are, but perhaps there is probably a threshold whereby the therapeutic benefit drops away and sides start to take place.
Anyway I said I wasnt going to get into a pissing match and I have just started going on again, I will shut up now ;D
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I agree with your points that there is plenty of studies that also show postive benefits to testosterone supplementation. No need to post up the studies I have seen some of them, I dont want to get into a pissing match ;D After all this is getbig and not a serious bodybuilding forum ;) I've had a few too many of these conversations before posting studies back and forth on proper bodybuilding forums.
I realise that for every study I post you can post one that suggests to the contrary, thats pretty much nature of research with everything, conflicting evidence and restults. There is a differing of opinion, in the US, the concept of TRT for men is accepted far more so more than in the UK and Europe in general. One thing I would say is that some of the studies on men that have shown positive benefits have been on men who have made no other lifestyle changes other than take TRT.
The question is what improvements would they have made in their general metabolic parameters if they had made other lifestyle changes, ie weight loss, exercise, diet, cut back on alcohol etc. That is really my point. I think that for many people with low test, they should make other changes first to optimise their health, dietary, exercise and otherwise. If after all that and they still have problems, then TRT could be a possible avenue of treatment.
Assuming that a person after making all these changes still had low test what do you consider to be a reasonable "dosage" would you consider a testosterone patch to be sufficient, or more. From what I have seen, a lot of men are not using TRT to "normalise" their levels but go beyond to a point they are gaining more muscle than they had before which would suggest they are moving into the realms of dosage found with recreational bodybuilders. I havnt seen any studies which have compared the effects of TRT dosages used to normalise test levels, vs higher TRT dosages which put people into anabolic state. Perhaps there are some out there, I dont know what the results are, but perhaps there is probably a threshold whereby the therapeutic benefit drops away and sides start to take place.
Anyway I said I wasnt going to get into a pissing match and I have just started going on again, I will shut up now ;D
Fuck your posts and the other real bodybuilding forums.
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What are you talking about??? What thread exactly?
Sory I have a very bad memory now days but two or three threads were deleted recently where vince especially got heated to ruins. You got some heat too. Vince most porobably cried about it to the mods.
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Five pages and not a single pic of your quads was shown... ::)
No matter how much effort you put on leg training you will never have a decent pair of quads, never. You are just half a man without legs.
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Sory I have a very bad memory now days but two or three threads were deleted recently where vince especially got heated to ruins. You got some heat too. Vince most porobably cried about it to the mods.
I didn't see anything of the sort.
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I didn't see anything of the sort.
Joons thread wether it's gay or not to watch a tranny fuck his girlfriend got deleted pretty soon after vince got a lot of trolling. Then another thread where vince got a lot of trolling got deleted as well, but I can't remember what the thread was about originally.
Stop deleting threads mods, you whanna save this Place? THen let the storm be, don't use h.a.a.r.p to disengage it.
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Joons thread wether it's gay or not to watch a tranny fuck his girlfriend got deleted pretty soon after vince got a lot of trolling. Then another thread where vince got a lot of trolling got deleted as well, but I can't remember what the thread was about originally.
Stop deleting threads mods, you whanna save this Place? THen let the storm be, don't use h.a.a.r.p to disengage it.
Juniors threads all got deleted by accident by Ron.
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Your making the assumption that externally administered testosterone is handled by the body is the same ways as endogenously produced testosterone. It isnt, and thats why normal teens or adults with hi natty test dont suffer those problems.
Are you an endocrinologist? I asked my endocrinologist this same question and he said that for something to be labeled "Testosterone" it has to conform to a specific molecular structure. And you body does not distinguish if that testosterone molecule comes from you pituitary gland or from an injection.
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Are you an endocrinologist? I asked my endocrinologist this same question and he said that for something to be labeled "Testosterone" it has to conform to a specific molecular structure. And you body does not distinguish if that testosterone molecule comes from you pituitary gland or from an injection.
nice to see you are still allive, worlds oldest fifty year old
Juniors threads all got deleted by accident by Ron.
I guess we just have to believe it was an accident. To me it only seems the entertaining drama threads always get deleted now days.
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Princess L deleted those threads
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nice to see you are still allive, worlds oldest fifty year old
I guess we just have to believe it was an accident. To me it only seems the entertaining drama threads always get deleted now days.
I wish that thread will vs booty would get deleted. I ask and yet it remains. ???
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I wish that thread will vs booty would get deleted. I ask and yet it remains. ???
it's been dead forever.
And deleting getbig history seems so hars, like throwing old letters in fire, I could never do that.
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There I go with jeans and t shirt, pulling a 5'10 hot brunette right infront of them.
So you finally learned how to dance?
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Five pages and not a single pic of your quads was shown... ::)
No matter how much effort you put on leg training you will never have a decent pair of quads, never. You are just half a man without legs.
Nobody cares if legs are over inflated.
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Five pages and not a single pic of your quads was shown... ::)
No matter how much effort you put on leg training you will never have a decent pair of quads, never. You are just half a man without legs.
According to Anabolichalo, built legs dont get the women.
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The question is what improvements would they have made in their general metabolic parameters if they had made other lifestyle changes, ie weight loss, exercise, diet, cut back on alcohol etc. That is really my point. I think that for many people with low test, they should make other changes first to optimise their health, dietary, exercise and otherwise. If after all that and they still have problems, then TRT could be a possible avenue of treatment.
Hormone patch or a gel is not a best idea in general as skin has it's saturation limit after which it can't absorb the substance anymore, so places should be rotated, and it may get tricky. Dosing that way becomes uncertain too. IM is a best way to administer any hormone (for females there is a way to use a cream in their wag :P )
Assuming that a person after making all these changes still had low test what do you consider to be a reasonable "dosage" would you consider a testosterone patch to be sufficient, or more. From what I have seen, a lot of men are not using TRT to "normalise" their levels but go beyond to a point they are gaining more muscle than they had before which would suggest they are moving into the realms of dosage found with recreational bodybuilders. I havnt seen any studies which have compared the effects of TRT dosages used to normalise test levels, vs higher TRT dosages which put people into anabolic state. Perhaps there are some out there, I dont know what the results are, but perhaps there is probably a threshold whereby the therapeutic benefit drops away and sides start to take place.
This is a gray zone regarding these questions, no obsolete evidence yet. I guess we are stuck with anecdotical examples of golden era bb'ers, most of them are alive and well at an old age. If we talk current bb'ing field, well... I dare to say that hormones probably are still far from very dangerous, as some of these guys are pushing the envelope for a decade or more and still seem to be alive and well, some unfortunate ones and biggest extremists drop dead at 30-40 tho'. But it still blows my mind of how much of that stuff body can take and they are posing on the stage dehydrated and not lying in a hospital bed. I have no doubt that a good amount of them will get serious health issues due to usage of insulin alone, it is a very very bad hormone to have in excess in ones body.
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Man has survived and prospered for millennia without any effeminate hormone patches or gels for "TRT" (::)).
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Five pages and not a single pic of your quads was shown... ::)
No matter how much effort you put on leg training you will never have a decent pair of quads, never. You are just half a man without legs.
Ha! You think he actually puts any effort I to training legs?
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Man has survived and prospered for millennia without any effeminate hormone patches or gels for "TRT" (::)).
Yeah, and died at 40.
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Yeah, and died at 40.
The notion that humans regularly died at around this age due to poor health / natural causes in centuries past is largely a statistical artifact from much higher infant / child mortality rates. The average life expectancy of adults is really not that much higher today than it was 1000-2000 years ago.
For one anecdote, Socrates died at 70, by execution.
PED certainly have not increased the adult lifespan, if that is what you are trying to argue with your response (I am not sure).
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The notion that humans regularly died at around this age due to poor health / natural causes in centuries past is largely a statistical artifact from much higher infant / child mortality rates. The average life expectancy of adults is really not that much higher today than it was 1000-2000 years ago.
For one anecdote, Socrates died at 70, by execution.
PED certainly have not increased the adult lifespan, if that is what you are trying to argue with your response (I am not sure).
Argument is about an inadequate remark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_variation_over_time
Let's say - most people died quite young and oh... there were no medicine or hormones for them to use. It's like saying - people did not need anti-cancer medicine for centuries so whay the hell are they using now. ::)
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Argument is about an inadequate remark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_variation_over_time
Let's say - most people died quite young and oh... there were no medicine or hormones for them to use. It's like saying - people did not need anti-cancer medicine for centuries so whay the hell are they using now. ::)
I am still not sure what you mean. Written English and logic do not seem to be among your specialties.
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You should have at least popped a semi for that shot skorpina
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I am still not sure what you mean. Written English and logic do not seem to be among your specialties.
I mean that saying "Humans used to survive without hormones" is a nonsense, because First: they did not live as long, Second: they just had no hormones or medicine available at all.
Capish?
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this is one of those "argue about nothing" threads.
myself, and quite a few other getbiggers...augment with external hormones. from what I know of myself, and the discussions I've had with other members of like-minded thinking....the VAST majority of us consciously make an effort to use as LITTLE as possible and have an intelligent approach.
you don't believe in PEDs? fine. shut the fuck up already. we don't care, and have no plans of stopping.
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Juniors threads all got deleted by accident by Ron.
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you don't believe in PEDs? fine. shut the fuck up already. we don't care, and have no plans of stopping.
/Period
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Five pages and not a single pic of your quads was shown... ::)
No matter how much effort you put on leg training you will never have a decent pair of quads, never. You are just half a man without legs.
Do I look like someone who cares to you? Are you autistic or something? You don't seem to pick up on people's emotional state of not giving a flying fuck about legs.
I'm so much taller, better conditionned and muscular than you'll ever be BTW. HTH
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Do I look like someone who cares to you? Are you autistic or something? You don't seem to pick up on people's emotional state of not giving a flying fuck about legs.
I'm so much taller, better conditionned and muscular than you'll ever be BTW. HTH
you and groink 'I mean el palpatino 'would make a good wwe tag team'tower and power 'the cocky mofos'
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i would never engage in such frivolous behavior.
too risky, i might suffer an injury or even worse, a visible scar or blemish
;D
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Hormone patch or a gel is not a best idea in general as skin has it's saturation limit after which it can't absorb the substance anymore, so places should be rotated, and it may get tricky. Dosing that way becomes uncertain too. IM is a best way to administer any hormone (for females there is a way to use a cream in their wag :P )
This is a gray zone regarding these questions, no obsolete evidence yet. I guess we are stuck with anecdotical examples of golden era bb'ers, most of them are alive and well at an old age. If we talk current bb'ing field, well... I dare to say that hormones probably are still far from very dangerous, as some of these guys are pushing the envelope for a decade or more and still seem to be alive and well, some unfortunate ones and biggest extremists drop dead at 30-40 tho'. But it still blows my mind of how much of that stuff body can take and they are posing on the stage dehydrated and not lying in a hospital bed. I have no doubt that a good amount of them will get serious health issues due to usage of insulin alone, it is a very very bad hormone to have in excess in ones body.
I agree IM is best way to deliver it, but from a TRT perspective I wonder if its providing far higher levels of testosterone rather than replacement, as often TRT users typically report effects that they felt better than ever, or better than when they had nornal natural test levels which suggest they are getting a higher than therapuetic dose.
In terms of general steroid use, I think many users will go through life without problems, I think to a large extent it is luck of the genes and also use vs abuse. One thing I have always been amazed by in particular is the few guys I know who were not into bodybuilding that much but wanted to build some muscle and did one or two cycles and nothing else. They seem to have benefited the most long term, as they are able to maintain their mass gained with minimal training and nutrition, its like the first couple of cycles didnt impact their test levels enough, so when they came off their own test levels stayed at a level high enough to maintain the gains long term.
Anyway back to your point, I do think its down to a combination of luck and genes interms of survival for the heavy user. If Im not mistaken there are far more top white bodybuilders who have died than black ones for example.
Users who stick to test probably at lower risk than those who use orals or things like tren and other substances.
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I mean that saying "Humans used to survive without hormones" is a nonsense, because First: they did not live as long, Second: they just had no hormones or medicine available at all.
Capish?
This argument also makes me wonder about the Paleo supporters. They talk about what our ancestors ate, and how that is the best diet, yet our ancestors didnt live that long. Things like arterial plaque and associated cardiovascular damage typically builds up over the decades and doesnt rear its head till the early 40's or later. In most cases our ancestors were dead by that time.
There is very little way of proving what state Paleolithic mans cardiovascular health was like at an advanced age, so how can we tell that Paleo is fundamentaly superior. They suggest that we are not desinged to eat the foods we eat today, and 10,000 years is not enough time for adaptation to take place, but some recent studies suggest that our gut bacteria has made some adaptations to handle things like wheat and yeasts. Europeans have the ability to process alcohol more effectively than certain other groups of people, the same with dairy.
Studies on the oldest human remains have usually found plaque deposits in people from Egypt, Peru, North America, East Asia, and Europe. Many of these people didnt eat wheat or dairy or the other so called "causes of all our dietary problems" yet still they had the symptoms of cardiovascular disease.
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I agree IM is best way to deliver it, but from a TRT perspective I wonder if its providing far higher levels of testosterone rather than replacement, as often TRT users typically report effects that they felt better than ever, or better than when they had nornal natural test levels which suggest they are getting a higher than therapuetic dose.
In terms of general steroid use, I think many users will go through life without problems, I think to a large extent it is luck of the genes and also use vs abuse. One thing I have always been amazed by in particular is the few guys I know who were not into bodybuilding that much but wanted to build some muscle and did one or two cycles and nothing else. They seem to have benefited the most long term, as they are able to maintain their mass gained with minimal training and nutrition, its like the first couple of cycles didnt impact their test levels enough, so when they came off their own test levels stayed at a level high enough to maintain the gains long term.
Anyway back to your point, I do think its down to a combination of luck and genes interms of survival for the heavy user. If Im not mistaken there are far more top white bodybuilders who have died than black ones for example.
Users who stick to test probably at lower risk than those who use orals or things like tren and other substances.
Good points. Esp. for the hebrews not dying as much as whites, you may be onto something. To keep "luck" out of equation as much as possible one should perform regular blood tests and general check ups as there actually aren't so many "impact points" affected by AAS that it would be very difficult to monitor and make sure it's all good. Good indicator of "genetics" in this context is sides from small doses. Some people get gyno and fucked up lipid profile from very small amounts, while some can go much higher without any negaties (I personally can run tren at a high dose and even my lipids aren't showing much change. Or run a gram of test and not a sign of gyno would possible. Not like I'm doing that, vice versa actually).
Regarding these trainees who tried a few small cycles and went off, while maintaining the gains, it may be true. Another thing I could add from a personal experience - I've blasted tren/test/nandrolone/EQ one time for quite a long period, then I dropped everything and left on 300/wk of test. Quess what - half a year later I was as heavy/big as at the end of a blast AND I continued to get stronger!
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This argument also makes me wonder about the Paleo supporters. They talk about what our ancestors ate, and how that is the best diet, yet our ancestors didnt live that long. Things like arterial plaque and associated cardiovascular damage typically builds up over the decades and doesnt rear its head till the early 40's or later. In most cases our ancestors were dead by that time.
There is very little way of proving what state Paleolithic mans cardiovascular health was like at an advanced age, so how can we tell that Paleo is fundamentaly superior. They suggest that we are not desinged to eat the foods we eat today, and 10,000 years is not enough time for adaptation to take place, but some recent studies suggest that our gut bacteria has made some adaptations to handle things like wheat and yeasts. Europeans have the ability to process alcohol more effectively than certain other groups of people, the same with dairy.
Studies on the oldest human remains have usually found plaque deposits in people from Egypt, Peru, North America, East Asia, and Europe. Many of these people didnt eat wheat or dairy or the other so called "causes of all our dietary problems" yet still they had the symptoms of cardiovascular disease.
In general I tend to agree with a "genomes is still working in a paleo mode", it makes sense and there are quite some respectable scientists who are balls deep in that stuff, but overall - after year 50 or so it's difficult to talk abotu any recommendations as these people simply did not live past that.