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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Bodybuilder Lex Reeves on July 12, 2011, 07:33:03 PM
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And it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the bullshit artist named GH15 or the dipshits who think he's for real.
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I'm too busy tickling your mother's tonsils with my pecker.
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Jesus was one of the three things listed below
1. A Mushroom(which is what i believe)
2. A Hologram
3. A lie, much like the Lee Priest existence.
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Your mother was one of the three things listed below:
1. Late for the abortion.
2.Drinking turpetintine martinis during the pregnancy.
3.Raised a dud.
4. All of the above.
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Scarletpanties: check your mother's snatch, I think I lost a wristwatch up in there, you little cum guzzler.
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Scarletpanties panties realized she was too much of a sissy to contend, so she removed her posts like a coward.
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if it ain't King James, it ain't the bible.
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Hail Satan.
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if it ain't King James, it ain't the bible.
you're a fool.
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at least the bible of gh is telling the truth
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Some serious business goin' on here. GH15 might be a mythomaniac of epic proportions but he sure gets some people all excited. Fuckin' thread is gayer than playing naked truth or dare with George Michael and Marc Almond.
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if it ain't King James, it ain't the bible. then everyone goes back to their loser lives when he loses.
fixed
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Jesus wore a dress
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(http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Jesus_Pictures/Jesus_031.jpg)
Clearly offseason.
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Jesus died on a cross, gh15 injects crosses
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There are many religions and many bibles all claiming the one they follow is the only way. So which one do we pick?
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Which religion outside of Judeo-Christianity refers to their text as "The Bible"? (Hint: if you have no idea what your talking about, don't post)
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Which religion outside of Judeo-Christianity refers to their text as "The Bible"? (Hint: if you have no idea what your talking about, don't post)
GH15's bible the only one worth reading you fucking deluded dipshit
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Why so angry? Your family rejected you?
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There are many religions and many bibles all claiming the one they follow is the only way. So which one do we pick?
none
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Is that the sound of you pretending to sleep while your alcoholic uncle sucks you off?
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Why so angry? Your family rejected you?
Why do you beleive in fairy tales
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I believe in God. that seems to make whimps like yourself angry.
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I believe in God.
why?
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I believe in God. that seems to make whimps like yourself angry.
haha angry ? no i pity you - you are a sad scared little sheep who cant take care of his own life - say isnt some of the things on here you post about banging young latin whores and the insults you give out very unchristian like ? gimmick ::)
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Since you have no academic background or knowledge of religion and science, what makes you think your opinion merits any respect?
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Since you have no academic background or knowledge of religion and science, what makes you think your opinion merits any respect?
My point exactly, real christians wouldnt retort like this - and again shooting yourself in the foot proving you are not a christian and just a lousy gimmick ----> science is the biggest thorn in Christiantys side dumbass so why embrace it being the staunch christian you claim you are ? - haha to easy
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I believe in God. that seems to make whimps like yourself angry.
which god theres been hundreds if not thousands threw out history..
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If God and Science are irreconciable, how is it that Einstein, Pasteur and Salk all believed in God? Should I side with Einstein or a shitstain like yourself?
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If God and Science are irreconciable, how is it that Einstein, Pasteur and Salk all believed in God? Should I side with Einstein or a shitstain like yourself?
Einstein regarded religion as 'childish superstition.' ;)
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If God and Science are irreconciable, how is it that Einstein, Pasteur and Salk all believed in God? Should I side with Einstein or a shitstain like yourself?
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.
—Albert Einstein
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I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God. - Albert Einstein
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. (Albert Einstein)
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See, that's it. "God" usually means either 1) Creator or 2) Interacting/judging among us life forms.
#1 Maybe, #2, ?..
The point is, you have to clarify which concept of God you are talking about.
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you're a fool.
sarcasm
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Then why is AA, a God based program, the only way alcoholics/addicts stop?
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:D
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Then why is AA, a God based program, the only way alcoholics/addicts stop?
It's called substituting drugs. And it's extremely ineffective as well, showing how chemicals are stronger than the god drug.
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How about answering the question, stupid.
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How about answering the question, stupid.
No one stops drugging without AA? Really?
If I were a junkie/alcoholic I'd rather drug myself to death instead of joining that cult. Those people are never free, they need their AA fix all the time, for life.
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Kind of like you and the internet, mental weakling.
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Fuck religion and everyone's "god".
Bunch of retards. It's 2011, damn it. Get a grip. Accept your mortality and move along.
No one is gonna save your soul or offer you an afterlife.
Dust of stars, people. Dust of stars.
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If God and Science are irreconciable, how is it that Einstein, Pasteur and Salk all believed in God? Should I side with Einstein or a shitstain like yourself?
Einstein didn't believe in god in the early stages of his life. It wasn't until he was much older and realized that he better start believing in god in hopes that god would forgive him for stealing other peoples work/theories and passing it off as his own.
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Einstein didn't believe in god in the early stages of his life. It wasn't until he was much older and realized that he better start believing in god in hopes that god would forgive him for stealing other peoples work/theories and passing it off as his own.
Care to explain the second sentence?
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I love when the aetheists get angry. You can almost see the wretched childhoods they had. I love it.
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Archaeologists say they have finally found the missing first page of the Bible. It read: "All characters and stories portrayed within this book are purely fictitious and bear no resemblance to any real life events."
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:D
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Fuck religion and everyone's "god".
Bunch of retards. It's 2011, damn it. Get a grip. Accept your mortality and move along.
No one is gonna save your soul or offer you an afterlife.
Dust of stars, people. Dust of stars.
Yes, according to cosmologists we are all made up of the thrown out atomic particles of supernova; in essense we are all stardust.
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Yes, according to cosmologists we are all made up of the thrown out atomic particles of supernova; in essense we are all stardust.
and thats the truth but it doesnt explain where those stars came from or why all that star dust just happened to create intelligent people with free will and a sense of their own death
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and thats the truth but it doesnt explain where those stars came from or why all that star dust just happened to create intelligent people with free will and a sense of their own death
According to cosmologists, quantum fluctuations - cosmic particles randomly popping in and out of existance - formed the universe and all its contents. Our existance is merely a blip or speck of cosmic pollution in the approx 14 billion year lifespan of the universe.....we're nothing more than that.....utterly meaningless.
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There is no free will and mans understanding of his own mortality was God's/nature's worst blunder = the source of all mans psychological pain, his existential torment.
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I, for one, can't picture a blind Denzel Washington walking across the US to take gh15's bible to the Golds Gym in Venice, CA, just so people can start bodybuilding again in a post-apocalyptic future where the Weider principles have been lost and forgotten :-\
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According to cosmologists, quantum fluctuations - cosmic particles randomly popping in and out of existance - formed the universe and all its contents. Our existance is merely a blip or speck of cosmic pollution in the approx 14 billion year lifespan of the universe.....we're nothing more than that.....utterly meaningless.
and where do those quantum fluctuations come from, what causes them.. ;D idiot scientists
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and where do those quantum fluctuations come from, what causes them.. ;D idiot scientists
Cosmologists and Astrophysicists are currently hoping to recreate the early conditions of the universe in the Hadron Collider to identify both dark matter and more importantly the "God particle".
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There is no free will and mans understanding of his own mortality was God's/nature's worst blunder = the source of all mans psychological pain, his existential torment.
That's some deep stuff right there.
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Cosmologists and Astrophysicists are currently hoping to recreate the early conditions of the universe in the Hadron Collider to identify both dark matter and more importantly the "God particle".
;D retards
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There is no free will and mans understanding of his own mortality was God's/nature's worst blunder = the source of all mans psychological pain, his existential torment.
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If God is in all places at all times, that means he's constantly hanging around in gay bars.
Filthy bastard.
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and where do those quantum fluctuations come from, what causes them.. ;D idiot scientists
According to physicists, the concept of quantum fluctuations is necessary given the observable data.
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Ever consider that the universe never had a start point? It just has always been?
And with limitless time, something developing as "complex" as a human is not difficult to fathom.
Limitless. Time.
There is no god.
Aliens (other forms of "life"), though? Beyond likely.
But a god, no.
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Ever consider that the universe never had a start point? It just has always been?
damn its time someone finally posted this... you're the first person i've ever seen bring up this point in a discussion like this.
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And it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the bullshit artist named GH15 or the dipshits who think he's for real.
gh15 is really deep in your head. Lighten up and turn off the computer. It's not that important.
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(http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Jesus_Pictures/Jesus_031.jpg)
Clearly offseason.
Hardly, he's sitting...err, hanging, at 5% there. Just drop a tad more water and he's stage ready. You need to read the bible.
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There are only strong and weak wills.
No one is "free" from the rest of the world, driven by a pure will, detached from all influence.
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and thats the truth but it doesnt explain where those stars came from or why all that star dust just happened to create intelligent people with free will and a sense of their own death
and where do those quantum fluctuations come from, what causes them.. ;D idiot scientists
Homo talking sense.
Props.
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if it ain't King James, it ain't the bible.
LOL< I actually had a guy tell me that the King James bible was the one Jesus used. hehehehehe
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Codex Gigas - Devil's Bible
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damn its time someone finally posted this... you're the first person i've ever seen bring up this point in a discussion like this.
were did the thing that created the first matter/energy/ect come from......was it always in existence?
It means u cant see how the universe exists without a creator yet u easily surmise that god needs no creator...It's a common irrational way of thinking used by the indoctrinated to feebly justify there dogma...It falls quit flat on educated ears..
;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=377514.msg5416006#msg5416006
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LOL< I actually had a guy tell me that the King James bible was the one Jesus used. hehehehehe
If Jesus was walking around in this day and age he would be committed to a psych ward - what does that say about his followers :-\
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I didn't read this whole thread
but you know that "bible" use to just mean book, right?
that's why it has "Holy" in front of it. Holy Bible= "Holy book". If "bible" meant "holy book" then most bibles would then be called "holy holy book".
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If Jesus was walking around in this day and age he would be committed to a psych ward - what does that say about his followers :-\
If Lady Gaga were walking around back in those days she'd be burned alive. What does that say about her fans?
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If Lady Gaga were walking around back in those days she'd be burned alive. What does that say about her fans?
That makes no sense :D what does that say about the fucktards that would burn her alive is more apt ?
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My heart wants to believe in life after death, but my brain won't let me. :(
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Will Grant's progenitors-that is sperm provider and sperm receptacle-raised a dud.
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Will Grant's progenitors-that is sperm provider and sperm receptacle-raised a dud.
You are a very poor Gimmick - run along Toot's ::)
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;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=377514.msg5416006#msg5416006
oh nice.
btw lex used to be a pretty funny gimmick imo
nowadays... ::)
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Nuns looking for some action.
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That makes no sense :D what does that say about the fucktards that would burn her alive is more apt ?
What does it say about the fucktards that would commit someone (though I doubt your claim) who preached the Ten Commandments.
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What does it say about the fucktards that would commit someone (though I doubt your claim) who preached the Ten Commandments.
Nothing - but if someone walked around saying he was the son of god he would be off to the loop bin - jesus if what we know about him is accurate had a mental illness - a deff skitzoid complex going on there.. put it this way if someone was to behave in such a mannor he did today saying he was the son of god where would he end up ?
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:)
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Is that the old Yankee's skipper Joe Torre?
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:)
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Nothing - but if someone walked around saying he was the son of god he would be off to the loop bin - jesus if what we know about him is accurate had a mental illness - a deff skitzoid complex going on there.. put it this way if someone was to behave in such a mannor he did today saying he was the son of god where would he end up ?
What do we know about him really? His favorite color? What his favorite food was? What was his favorite hobby as a boy? WHo was his best friend at age 15?
I find it strange that all the people who claim to have a "personal" relationship with him, no one knows anything about him but what was written in the pages...well after his death.
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What do we know about him really? His favorite color? What his favorite food was? What was his favorite hobby as a boy? WHo was his best friend at age 15?
I find it strange that all the people who claim to have a "personal" relationship with him, no one knows anything about him but what was written in the pages...well after his death.
Exactly all fairy tale stuff
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Nothing - but if someone walked around saying he was the son of god he would be off to the loop bin - jesus if what we know about him is accurate had a mental illness - a deff skitzoid complex going on there.. put it this way if someone was to behave in such a mannor he did today saying he was the son of god where would he end up ?
I've heard Christ describe in many, many ways but never one as having a mental illness. There's a guy in my neighborhood who is homeless and parades up and down the street talking to himself, arguing with himself, shadow boxing with himself. He has a mental illness. But he doesn't talk to anyone or threaten anyone. People, including LE, just leave him alone.
I believe God is my creator. I refer to God as my Father. That makes me one of his sons. I am one of many, millions actually, that believe that. We don't end up anywhere, which by implication is some kind of asylum.
I believe in God. You don't. Does that bother you? Because it seems like it does. It seems like unbelievers are far, far more disturbed that others don't share their beliefs that believers do -- Islamic Fundamentalist excluded.
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What do we know about him really? His favorite color? What his favorite food was? What was his favorite hobby as a boy? WHo was his best friend at age 15?
I find it strange that all the people who claim to have a "personal" relationship with him,no one knows anything about him but what was written in the pages...well after his death.
You can say the same for Socrates or Alexander the Great.
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I've heard Christ describe in many, many ways but never one as having a mental illness. There's a guy in my neighborhood who is homeless and parades up and down the street talking to himself, arguing with himself, shadow boxing with himself. He has a mental illness. But he doesn't talk to anyone or threaten anyone. People, including LE, just leave him alone.
I believe God is my creator. I refer to God as my Father. That makes me one of his sons. I am one of many, millions actually, that believe that. We don't end up anywhere, which by implication is some kind of asylum.
I believe in God. You don't. Does that bother you? Because it seems like it does. It seems like unbelievers are far, far more disturbed that others don't share their beliefs that believers do -- Islamic Fundamentalist excluded.
I beleive there is a creator just not how christians tell everyone or any other religion for that matter - Christianity was made up to Conquer - Pagen type religions pre date anything christians have - all christian holidays fall exactly on the same time as Pagen rituals - this was all in the devide and Conquer that drove the barbarian christians - they made stories up about witches casting spells and turning people into frogs using dark arts etc but all these people (pagens) did was use what nature - our true creator gave us to heal - spells were no more than positive affirmations yet the true god behind christian morals - satan - made up lies to scare and force people to there way of thinking and in doing so taking over - anything that is said in the bible is all horse shit my friend and is fantasy stuff this is factual and you as an intelligent guy cannot dispute this - Jesus did walk on water yes but any person that followed him could of to as the water he walked upon was high in salt so it was impossible to sink - so all this fantasy rubbish that is written and what you follow can be totaly destroyed by science - the pagens were the first users of science - not as we know it now of course but they used what was given to us by mother nature to heal and advance and this was all destructive of christian beleives because christians cannot think for themselves they are controled by there leader - god - yet the true roots of christianity are spawned by there real god and that is satan.. satan is a christian deity - you cannot beleive in christ and not beleive in satan - true christan roots are spawned from satan.
If you look at real facts, christianity is a mongral religion - it was put in place by greed driven people who wanted to control the masses who were Pagens or had Pagen ways of thinking.
If you look at Pagen thinking all which pre date christian lies then look at christianity - it is clear christians have copied and raped pagen thinking all to suit there own agenda which is power and control of the masses..
Your religion is based on evil and is a total fraud and it amazes me that intelligent people in everyday life can be controled by this utter bullshit.. and keep your christian history to yourself - i dont need to hear it - its all lies and came from nasty people wanting to control others and it still does try ;)
Madonna said it best - Christianity is designed to control people and the bible is best left as a fairy tale bed time story.. she's a very smart lady ;) she was born a catholic and saw it for what it truely is yet she to if born in the era of the christian slaughtering of innocent people would of been burnt alive... let me ask you a question , do you beleive someone can be turned into a frog ? cos that is a true christian LIE that was used to kill people that were free thinkers and all they were guilty of was thinking for themselves. ;)
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I beleive there is a creator just not how christians tell everyone or any other religion for that matter - Christianity was made up to Conquer - Pagen type religions pre date anything christians have - all christian holidays fall exactly on the same time as Pagen rituals - this was all in the devide and Conquer that drove the barbarian christians - they made stories up about witches casting spells and turning people into frogs using dark arts etc but all these people (pagens) did was use what nature - our true creator gave us to heal - spells were no more than positive affirmations yet the true god behind christian morals - satan - made up lies to scare and force people to there way of thinking and in doing so taking over - anything that is said in the bible is all horse shit my friend and is fantasy stuff this is factual and you as an intelligent guy cannot dispute this - Jesus did walk on water yes but any person that followed him could of to as the water he walked upon was high in salt so it was impossible to sink - so all this fantasy rubbish that is written and what you follow can be totaly destroyed by science - the pagens were the first users of science - not as we know it now of course but they used what was given to us by mother nature to heal and advance and this was all destructive of christian beleives because christians cannot think for themselves they are controled by there leader - god - yet the true roots of christianity are spawned by there real god and that is satan.. satan is a christian deity - you cannot beleive in christ and not beleive in satan - true christan roots are spawned from satan.
If you look at real facts, christianity is a mongral religion - it was put in place by greed driven people who wanted to control the masses who were Pagens or had Pagen ways of thinking.
If you look at Pagen thinking all which pre date christian lies then look at christianity - it is clear christians have copied and raped pagen thinking all to suit there own agenda which is power and control of the masses..
Your religion is based on evil and is a total fraud and it amazes me that intelligent people in everyday life can be controled by this utter bullshit.. and keep your christian history to yourself - i dont need to hear it - its all lies and came from nasty people wanting to control others and it still does try ;)
Madonna said it best - Christianity is designed to control people and the bible is best left as a fairy tale bed time story.. she's a very smart lady ;) she was born a catholic and saw it for what it truely is yet she to if born in the era of the christian slaughtering of innocent people would of been burnt alive... let me ask you a question , do you beleive someone can be turned into a frog ? cos that is a true christian LIE that was used to kill people that were free thinkers and all they were guilty of was thinking for themselves. ;)
I'm not going to read all that because I get it. You do not share my beliefs. A belief that is shared by about 2 billion people on this planet. My question is: why does it bother you?
Someone mentioned earlier what Carl Sagan said decades ago on his TV series Cosmos. Either Matter (I capitalize to emphasize that I mean the stuff of the universe) always existed or that God always existed and created this Matter. Those are the only two views and both are matters of faith. The atheist believe that the notion of a God that always existed and created the universe is just silly. I believe that the idea that Matter, the stuff of the universe, always existed is just silly.
Both are matters of faith. It doesn't bother me in the least that others don't share my beliefs. So again I ask you, since what I believe has zero effect on you, why does it bother you that I am a Christian.
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I'm not going to read all that because I get it. You do not share my beliefs. A belief that is shared by about 2 billion people on this planet. My question is: why does it bother you?
Someone mentioned earlier what Carl Sagan said decades ago on his TV series Cosmos. Either Matter (I capitalize to emphasize that I mean the stuff of the universe) always existed or that God always existed and created this Matter. Those are the only two views and both are matters of faith. The atheist believe that the notion of a God that always existed and created the universe is just silly. I believe that the idea that Matter, the stuff of the universe, always existed is just silly.
Both are matters of faith. It doesn't bother me in the least that others don't share my beliefs. So again I ask you, since what I believe has zero effect on you, why does it bother you that I am a Christian.
It doesn't bother me, I thought we were having a discussion :D
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It doesn't bother me, I thought we were having a discussion :D
Every one of your posts, beginning with the first one, is mocking Christianity.
I think the Mormon religion is wacky. But I think Mormons, as a group, are some of the most decent people on this planet. Those Hare Krishnas seem like 60s era hippies to me. But they seem relatively harmless and don't bother me. I believe that an atheist is wrong. I don't believe that matter just always existed and just by chance created everything we have today. That there is a transcendent meaning to life. That it does matter if you are a good person or a bad person. That a Mother Teresa and a Adolph Hitler share very different Cosmic fates. That in there end there is a Cosmic justice. If not, then life is inherently meaningless and one should live a life of hedonistic self interest.
But it doesn't bother me in the least that others don't share my beliefs. I wish they did and will try to convince them otherwise as I feel it leads to a more richer and meaningful life because you have a value system beyond yourself. Though we all fall short we have an ideal to aspire to. And I have not the slightest desire to mock others and belittle their belief system. I may chuckle at the Mormon underwear rule but at least it insures they always wear clean underwear which I consider always a good thing.
It didn't seem so much as a discussion but rather you ridiculing and belittling Christianity all with an underlying hint of contempt.
Jesus wore a dress
GH15's bible the only one worth reading you fucking deluded dipshit
Why do you beleive in fairy tales
haha angry ? no i pity you - you are a sad scared little sheep who cant take care of his own life -
If Jesus was walking around in this day and age he would be committed to a psych ward - what does that say about his followers :-\
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I beleive there is a creator just not how christians tell everyone or any other religion for that matter - Christianity was made up to Conquer - Pagen type religions pre date anything christians have - all christian holidays fall exactly on the same time as Pagen rituals - this was all in the devide and Conquer that drove the barbarian christians - they made stories up about witches casting spells and turning people into frogs using dark arts etc but all these people (pagens) did was use what nature - our true creator gave us to heal - spells were no more than positive affirmations yet the true god behind christian morals - satan - made up lies to scare and force people to there way of thinking and in doing so taking over - anything that is said in the bible is all horse shit my friend and is fantasy stuff this is factual and you as an intelligent guy cannot dispute this - Jesus did walk on water yes but any person that followed him could of to as the water he walked upon was high in salt so it was impossible to sink - so all this fantasy rubbish that is written and what you follow can be totaly destroyed by science - the pagens were the first users of science - not as we know it now of course but they used what was given to us by mother nature to heal and advance and this was all destructive of christian beleives because christians cannot think for themselves they are controled by there leader - god - yet the true roots of christianity are spawned by there real god and that is satan.. satan is a christian deity - you cannot beleive in christ and not beleive in satan - true christan roots are spawned from satan.
If you look at real facts, christianity is a mongral religion - it was put in place by greed driven people who wanted to control the masses who were Pagens or had Pagen ways of thinking.
If you look at Pagen thinking all which pre date christian lies then look at christianity - it is clear christians have copied and raped pagen thinking all to suit there own agenda which is power and control of the masses..
Your religion is based on evil and is a total fraud and it amazes me that intelligent people in everyday life can be controled by this utter bullshit.. and keep your christian history to yourself - i dont need to hear it - its all lies and came from nasty people wanting to control others and it still does try ;)
Madonna said it best - Christianity is designed to control people and the bible is best left as a fairy tale bed time story.. she's a very smart lady ;) she was born a catholic and saw it for what it truely is yet she to if born in the era of the christian slaughtering of innocent people would of been burnt alive... let me ask you a question , do you beleive someone can be turned into a frog ? cos that is a true christian LIE that was used to kill people that were free thinkers and all they were guilty of was thinking for themselves. ;)
excellent post
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You do not share my beliefs. A belief that is shared by about 2 billion people on this planet.
you have brought this up numerous times...is the religion with the most followers the right one in your mind/...do you know that history is written by the winners...and the winners write what they chose regardless of the facts...have you heard of the crusades?....do you how Christianity was spread?...
when u realize why it is that you dismiss all other gods but the one you have been indoctrinated to believe in then and only then will you understand why myself and millions others dismiss your god....
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You can say the same for Socrates or Alexander the Great.
The diff is that there aren't millions of people who exist today, claiming they have a personal relationship with Socrates and talk to him everyday
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I'm not going to read all that because I get it. You do not share my beliefs. A belief that is shared by about 2 billion people on this planet. My question is: why does it bother you?
Someone mentioned earlier what Carl Sagan said decades ago on his TV series Cosmos. Either Matter (I capitalize to emphasize that I mean the stuff of the universe) always existed or that God always existed and created this Matter. Those are the only two views and both are matters of faith. The atheist believe that the notion of a God that always existed and created the universe is just silly. I believe that the idea that Matter, the stuff of the universe, always existed is just silly.
Both are matters of faith. It doesn't bother me in the least that others don't share my beliefs. So again I ask you, since what I believe has zero effect on you, why does it bother you that I am a Christian.
I don't think we are talking apples and apples in the above example..
And as far as "why does it bother you that I am a christian" I'd like to take a stab at your question..
I used to be christian, have family and friends that are christian, have no problems with it for the most part. Have Muslim friends, mormon friends, several buddhist friends etc etc..
I believe people should be able to believe or not believe whatever they want about god or gods, ghosts or spirits, bigfoots and jackalopes...
But historically, Christians have tried to shove their personal beliefs down non believers throats. Excluding the crusades and inquisitions of years gone by I'll address todays world in my country. In some states you cannot hold public office without professing belief in a higher power (texas for example). You cannot attend any organized functioin, be it city, state, (graduations, promotional or retirement ceremonies for government employees, sporting events ) where you don't have to sit through the Christian ritual of prayer (which by the way defies Jesus' instructions on prayer in Matthew, but who cares what Jesus said right?)
I didn't have non believers trying to convince me to not believe when I was christian, I now have believers spending hours of my time trying to convince me to believe (for my own good). When sitting in a mixed crowd at a public event like a promotional or retirement ceremony for a government official, atheists, agnostics, muslims, jews, buddhist and every other non christian is subjected to a ritual prayer "in Jesus name"...
I've never had an Atheist knock on my door during suppertime to pass out information on atheism but have had many a christian do it...
So the reason it might appear that some people have an issue with you is because a lot of christians aren't happy just being a christian, and want to let their personal beliefs bleed over into my life..
Just sayin..
Ag
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you have brought this up numerous times...is the religion with the most followers the right one in your mind/...do you know that history is written by the winners...and the winners write what they chose regardless of the facts...have you heard of the crusades?....do you how Christianity was spread?...
when u realize why it is that you dismiss all other gods but the one you have been indoctrinated to believe in then and only then will you understand why myself and millions others dismiss your god....
No.
By contrast you have been indoctrinated by secular ideology.
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The diff is that there aren't millions of people who exist today, claiming they have a personal relationship with Socrates and talk to him everyday
So what? The argument was about what a person believes and their prior existence. There are many who consider themselves having a relationship with their dead mother or some long lost relative from the Civil war whom they channel.
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So what? The argument was about what a person believes and their prior existence. There are many who consider themselves having a relationship with their dead mother or some long lost relative from the Civil war whom they channel.
The argument was about persons claiming to have a personal relationship with someone yet not knowing anything about them that isn't contained in a book in spite of the claim to have a current, personal relationship.
Your comparison of Socrates doesn't fit the criteria in my opinion.
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I don't think we are talking apples and apples in the above example..
And as far as "why does it bother you that I am a christian" I'd like to take a stab at your question..
I used to be christian, have family and friends that are christian, have no problems with it for the most part. Have Muslim friends, mormon friends, several buddhist friends etc etc..
I believe people should be able to believe or not believe whatever they want about god or gods, ghosts or spirits, bigfoots and jackalopes...
But historically, Christians have tried to shove their personal beliefs down non believers throats. Excluding the crusades and inquisitions of years gone by I'll address todays world in my country. In some states you cannot hold public office without professing belief in a higher power (texas for example). You cannot attend any organized functioin, be it city, state, (graduations, promotional or retirement ceremonies for government employees, sporting events ) where you don't have to sit through the Christian ritual of prayer (which by the way defies Jesus' instructions on prayer in Matthew, but who cares what Jesus said right?)
I didn't have non believers trying to convince me to not believe when I was christian, I now have believers spending hours of my time trying to convince me to believe (for my own good). When sitting in a mixed crowd at a public event like a promotional or retirement ceremony for a government official, atheists, agnostics, muslims, jews, buddhist and every other non christian is subjected to a ritual prayer "in Jesus name"...
I've never had an Atheist knock on my door during suppertime to pass out information on atheism but have had many a christian do it...
So the reason it might appear that some people have an issue with you is because a lot of christians aren't happy just being a christian, and want to let their personal beliefs bleed over into my life..
Just sayin..
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Christians don't go door to door. But, yes, when a group of people feel they have an idea they feel will help people and their lives they want to share it and have others support it. You are far more likely to get secular ideology knocking on your door wanting you to support some proposition or politician.
Sure we have rituals such as swearing on the Bible, praying before a ceremony, In God We Trust on our money, but this country was founded on Judeo/Christian beliefs. We are not going to change our traditions because some minority group is uncomfortable with it.
When a religious person wants to share their beliefs and ideology it's called indoctrination. When secular extremists in our schools and government want to share their beliefs and ideology it's called education.
And whenever the issue of religion comes up where I am involved it is me defending the attacks by the secular extremist. I only got involved in this thread because of the continue mocking of my belief system. That, my friend, is more of an example of a person belief system, secularlism, "bleeding over." Show me a single posts where I unilaterally am cramming my religion on anybody. Including any on this thread. When gh15 says that he is doing penance for his past sins so that he can stand before God with a clear conscious is he cramming his religion down your throat? I'm perfectly happy being Christian and a person's belief, be it theist, agnostic, atheist... will always "bleed over" in what they do in life because it is a person's belief system which guides how they behave and part of what defines them. Your very post proves that and I don't have any issue with it. I have an issue with those that seem angry that others don't share their beliefs and feel compelled to mock and belittle others who have a different belief system.
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The argument was about persons claiming to have a personal relationship with someone yet not knowing anything about them that isn't contained in a book in spite of the claim to have a current, personal relationship.
Your comparison of Socrates doesn't fit the criteria in my opinion.
You believe that because something comes from a book it somehow diminishes it's value. Most of what we know comes from books.
People claim to have a personal relationship with God. I am one of them. I know people who have personal relationships with their rifles. Some have it with some good chain or rabbit's foot blessed by a dead relative. You think it is silly. I understand. But can you live with it?
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You believe that because something comes from a book it somehow diminishes it's value. Most of what we know comes from books.
People claim to have a personal relationship with God. I am one of them. I know people who have personal relationships with their rifles. Some have it with some good chain or rabbit's foot blessed by a dead relative. You think it is silly. I understand. But can you live with it?
If you have a personal relationship with god, ask him why he allows 4 ad 5 yr olds to be molested on a regular basis by uncle Bob and step dad Bill. All I ever get is "god has a plan"
Ask God why he allows children to die of cancer before they see 10, or starve to death by 7. I'm curious. Because some people say God helped them get a promotion, or succeed in business, or win a boxing match or football game and I just wonder, if he can do those things, why can't he stop Mom from burning little Suzy with a cigarette?
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No.
no?..so you don't know of the crusades and the inquisitions and the means of how early Christianity was spread...and you don't care to acknowledge how you view religion as a popularity contest with your religion being the "winner" in regards to currently having the most members...And as we know its the "WINNERS" that write history as they see fit...
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If you have a personal relationship with god, ask him why he allows 4 ad 5 yr olds to be molested on a regular basis by uncle Bob and step dad Bill. All I ever get is "god has a plan"
Ask God why he allows children to die of cancer before they see 10, or starve to death by 7. I'm curious. Because some people say God helped them get a promotion, or succeed in business, or win a boxing match or football game and I just wonder, if he can do those things, why can't he stop Mom from burning little Suzy with a cigarette?
Seriously? You want to go there? By your name I would have assumed you would have beaten this to death. Why bad things happen to good people? Why is there injustice in the world? Why is there suffering in the world? Why do Americana whores kill their babies so they can party and get laid and then set free to win a possible million dollar book deal and/or movie? Why didn't God create a world where we only did the right thing and live happily ever after?
This has nothing to do with whether or not God exists. I'm not going to discuss maters of faith on a bodybuilding board? It's pointless, tiresome at this point, and you've already heard all the arguments except perhaps this notion:
A better and more insightful question is not whether or not God exists, but is he good?
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Seriously? You want to go there? By your name I would have assumed you would have beaten this to death. Why bad things happen to good people? Why is there injustice in the world? Why is there suffering in the world? Why do Americana whores kill their babies so they can party and get laid and then set free to win a possible million dollar book deal and/or movie? Why didn't God create a world where we only did the right thing and live happily ever after?
This has nothing to do with whether or not God exists. I'm not going to discuss maters of faith on a bodybuilding board? It's pointless, tiresome at this point, and you've already heard all the arguments except perhaps this notion:
A better and more insightful question is not whether or not God exists, but is he good?
Alrighty then..
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no?..so you don't know of the crusades and the inquisitions and the means of how early Christianity was spread...and you don't care to acknowledge how you view religion as a popularity contest with your religion being the "winner" in regards to currently having the most members...And as we know its the "WINNERS" that write history as they see fit...
The question, as far as I understood it, was the veracity of a belief system. I simply was acknowledging your implication that whether it's 2 thousand or 2 billion, that it is irrelevant how many people subscribe to that belief vis-a-vis it's truth. Objective truth is not achieved by popular vote.
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People ask me all the time once they find out "I'm born again" what if the Bible is not true. I say well, if the Bible is not true and I'm saved, I'll just sleep the big sleep like everybody else when I die. ;)
Then it's my turn. But what if the Bible IS true and your not saved when you die ..... Well if it's true... your not going to have much fun lets just put it that way LOL
* shrugs shoulders* It's up to you.
Seriously, the Bible was written for believers, if you not a believer the Bible was not written for you.. no big deal.
I enjoy reading the Bible, I enjoy believing in Jesus, I enjoy being a Christian.
Edit: Oh, I like KJV the best but will go to a NKJV if I need a little more understanding of a verse. Really have no use for the NIV though.... just saying
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Seriously? You want to go there? By your name I would have assumed you would have beaten this to death. Why bad things happen to good people? Why is there injustice in the world? Why is there suffering in the world? Why do Americana whores kill their babies so they can party and get laid and then set free to win a possible million dollar book deal and/or movie? Why didn't God create a world where we only did the right thing and live happily ever after?
This has nothing to do with whether or not God exists. I'm not going to discuss maters of faith on a bodybuilding board? It's pointless, tiresome at this point, and you've already heard all the arguments except perhaps this notion:
A better and more insightful question is not whether or not God exists, but is he good?
Just take a breath pellius. These discussions can be a bit frustrating at times, but if we believe and if we profess to represent Christ we must act accordingly. If you don't have an answer to a nonbelievers question off the top of your head that's ok. Take a breath. Think about their question, read some others believers' perspectives and read your bible....then provide an answer. Whether or not you have an immediate answer doesn't weaken your faith it just means you don't have an answer. Agnostics and atheists are not bad people. Most are brilliant, articulate, witty people that enjoy discussion and debate....that's cool. Some are not so nice; unfortunately the same is true of Christians. Many agnostics and atheists are far more versed in scripture and all apologetic perspectives and they delight in tripping up believers along the way. Those folks aren't looking for a path to God, they're playing a game. From a worldly perspective they're winning the game. I don't play the game, I just try and be friendly and share what I believe....the love of Christ. If I have more to offer I'll share. Many will spit in your face....wipe it off, pray for them, lead by example and remember they aren't bad people and we're all broken sinners. Just do you best not to loose your cool....many live for those moments when Christians loose their cool and publically misrepresent Christ....then they throw it in your face and collectively laugh. I'm not suggesting that all nonbelievers on Getbig are the game players (sure some are), but a lot aren't. Remember, we're in an era of Google warriors....information at everyone's fingertips in seconds. For every 100 apologetic websites we reference they'll find a 1000 that say the opposite and that insult believers at the same time.
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I enjoy discussing theology. I only push when pushed... thought my questions were legitimate given the claims. Ill accept I don't knows with admiration.. I dont know everything ..... dont claim to...
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Just take a breath pellius. These discussions can be a bit frustrating at times, but if we believe and if we profess to represent Christ we must act accordingly. If you don't have an answer to a nonbelievers question off the top of your head that's ok. Take a breath. Think about their question, read some others believers' perspectives and read your bible....then provide an answer. Whether or not you have an immediate answer doesn't weaken your faith it just means you don't have an answer. Agnostics and atheists are not bad people. Most are brilliant, articulate, witty people that enjoy discussion and debate....that's cool. Some are not so nice; unfortunately the same is true of Christians. Many agnostics and atheists are far more versed in scripture and all apologetic perspectives and they delight in tripping up believers along the way. Those folks aren't looking for a path to God, they're playing a game. From a worldly perspective they're winning the game. I don't play the game, I just try and be friendly and share what I believe....the love of Christ. If I have more to offer I'll share. Many will spit in your face....wipe it off, pray for them, lead by example and remember they aren't bad people and we're all broken sinners. Just do you best not to loose your cool....many live for those moments when Christians loose their cool and publically misrepresent Christ....then they throw it in your face and collectively laugh. I'm not suggesting that all nonbelievers on Getbig are the game players (sure some are), but a lot aren't. Remember, we're in an era of Google warriors....information at everyone's fingertips in seconds. For every 100 apologetic websites we reference they'll find a 1000 that say the opposite and that insult believers at the same time.
What on earth are you talking about? What is this "take a breath" talk? Does my responses seem like I'm exerting myself? That I am in the least bit agitated? Have I in the slightest impune the character of agnostics or atheist or in anyway implied they are as a group bad people? I answered, with thoughtful deliberation, all questions posed to me -- without coming close to losing my breath.
You seem to have staggeringly misread the thoughts, ideas, and tone of my posts.
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C.S. Lewis wrote that Jesus was either, "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic."
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C.S. Lewis wrote that Jesus was either, "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic."
And it was clever..however they aren't the only options..
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What on earth are you talking about? What is this "take a breath" talk? Does my responses seem like I'm exerting myself? That I am in the least bit agitated? Have I in the slightest impune the character of agnostics or atheist or in anyway implied they are as a group bad people? I answered, with thoughtful deliberation, all questions posed to me -- without coming close to losing my breath.
You seem to have staggeringly misread the thoughts, ideas, and tone of my posts.
My apologies, was just offering a perspective....toss it in the trash if you prefer.
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What on earth are you talking about? What is this "take a breath" talk? Does my responses seem like I'm exerting myself? That I am in the least bit agitated? Have I in the slightest impune the character of agnostics or atheist or in anyway implied they are as a group bad people? I answered, with thoughtful deliberation, all questions posed to me -- without coming close to losing my breath.
You seem to have staggeringly misread the thoughts, ideas, and tone of my posts.
you didnt address your knowledge or lack there of in regards to the crusades or the Inquisitions or how early Christianity was spread or how you look at religion as a popularity contest with Christians being the winners...or how winners write/determine whats recorded in history even if the facts are wrong...or how Christian holidays all happen to fall on pa gen days along with other religions that pre date Christianity...
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you didnt address your knowledge or lack there of in regards to the crusades or the Inquisitions or how early Christianity was spread or how you look at religion as a popularity contest with Christians being the winners...or how winners write/determine whats recorded in history even if the facts are wrong...or how Christian holidays all happen to fall on pa gen days along with other religions that pre date Christianity...
I don't see where there is a question as you are talking about recorded history. You want me to "address" it. Again I'm not sure if you are asking me if I can justify it, acknowledge it, give my views on it but here goes.
Yes, there was such a thing as the Crusades. Christianity at one point in history was a very unforgiving and brutal religion. They tortured and killed people. I consider this a bad thing. And yes, it was written by historians. Whether these historians are the "winners" I don't know because you can easily find both positive and negative historical accounts of Christianity. My guess is that you focus and tend to agree with the negative aspects because because you don't agree and seem to don't like the Christian religion, or perhaps any religion for that matter. You are not alone.
And I don't know that Christian holidays "just happened" to fall on pagan holidays. My guess was that it was done of purpose. Just as Christians persecuted others they also were persecuted themselves. Some were even killed. So it was safer to celebrate their beliefs during times of secular cultural celebrations. For example, Christmas, the birth of Christ, was celebrated during the winter solstice bacchanalia. I don't think anyone ever believed that Christ was born in the winter but it seemed at the time to be a good time to safely celebrate his birth. Doesn't bother me in the least.
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My apologies, was just offering a perspective....toss it in the trash if you prefer.
Now you are making me feel guilty. More likely than not due to my Catholic upbringing. But, really, I apologize. I need to take a breath. I was just... just... I don't know. I don't what I'm doing anymore. I'm so not worthy. Hell, awaits me for sure. 8)
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People ask me all the time once they find out "I'm born again" what if the Bible is not true. I say well, if the Bible is not true and I'm saved, I'll just sleep the big sleep like everybody else when I die. ;)
Then it's my turn. But what if the Bible IS true and your not saved when you die ..... Well if it's true... your not going to have much fun lets just put it that way LOL
* shrugs shoulders* It's up to you.
Seriously, the Bible was written for believers, if you not a believer the Bible was not written for you.. no big deal.
I enjoy reading the Bible, I enjoy believing in Jesus, I enjoy being a Christian.
Edit: Oh, I like KJV the best but will go to a NKJV if I need a little more understanding of a verse. Really have no use for the NIV though.... just saying
Nice. Very nice.
I having been an agnostic for over a decade a one point in my life I have never ever felt any animosity towards atheist or non believers. Never. I never got the resentment they seem to feel towards us. They believe we are wrong, foolish, naive.... I get that. But we are talking matters of faith. Believing in something that we have no factual proof of. Just like they have no factual proof that matter simply always existed and always was and that it was not created by a creator that simply always existed. We're just talking about one step. They reject our first step.
I get it.
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Wow. Looks like the guy in the back may be a midget, too. Must have been a hell of a stage show.
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I didn't read this whole thread
but you know that "bible" use to just mean book, right?
that's why it has "Holy" in front of it. Holy Bible= "Holy book". If "bible" meant "holy book" then most bibles would then be called "holy holy book".
:D
Like an ATM machine.
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Like an ATM machine.
yep.... :)
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You believe that because something comes from a book it somehow diminishes it's value. Most of what we know comes from books.
People claim to have a personal relationship with God. I am one of them. I know people who have personal relationships with their rifles. Some have it with some good chain or rabbit's foot blessed by a dead relative. You think it is silly. I understand. But can you live with it?
Sorry Pellius,I have to correct you...EVERYTHING we know comes from a book
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Sorry Pellius,I have to correct you...EVERYTHING we know comes from a book
I stand by my claim that a great deal, if not most, of what we know comes books -- but not all. There are actually illiterates, people who do not have the ability to read, that have knowledge based on personal experience and trial and error.
I was one of those kids who burnt his hand playing with fire. Nobody taught me that and I was too young to have the ability to read. I gained that knowledge, one that I never forgot, through personal experience. Also, I have learned things that other people have learned, some of which you can't find in books but only attained through experience, that was past down to me.
Socrates couldn't read or write but his philosophy and ideas were past down and recorded with the written word. What people learned from him, people like Plato, came straight from the horse's mouth.
I will come back to this quadzilla fella. He interests me greatly and is quite open and articulate about his beliefs.
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I thought you where implying historical characters, in this case all come from written documents manuscript, such as Hector, Achilles, Paris, Helen of troy, PELLIUS ;D...,aga memnen, Menelaus etc, The Odyssey and Elliad......by Homer, Alexander the great, Hannibal Backus. The generations of Ptolemy, Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Mark Anthony, all the Caesars, everybody comes from writting, so the argument I keep hearing "you believe it cause it's in a book"...I simply don't understand why people say that. Christains are stupid, no not 1 smart one in 2 000 000 000.... :P
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I thought you where implying historical characters, in this case all come from written documents manuscript, such as Hector, Achilles, Paris, Helen of troy, PELLIUS ;D...,aga memnen, Menelaus etc, The Odyssey and Elliad......by Homer, Alexander the great, Hannibal Backus. The generations of Ptolemy, Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Mark Anthony, all the Caesars, everybody comes from writting, so the argument I keep hearing "you believe it cause it's in a book"...I simply don't understand why people say that. Christains are stupid, no not 1 smart one in 2 000 000 000.... :P
Oh, in that case you're right.
On the other hand I don't know of anyone, myself included, who believe in Christianity because it's in a book. You are putting the cart before the horse, my friend. We believe in God first. We learn about the life of Jesus and morality from the Bible.
Now, and this is a more salient point and often trivialized, we learn right from wrong; good and bad, from the Bible and Christianity. And I know how this initially sounds. Without God, with a set of rules to live by, a system of ethics outside of yourself, then morality simply because a matter of personal opinion based mostly on self interest and what you can safely get away with.
If you ask me why stealing is wrong and I say that it's wrong because it says so in the Bible. I sound simplistic. But if I ask an atheist why stealing is wrong what would they say? Because it's wrong? Why? Because it hurts someone else? So what? That's a matter of compassion and sensitivity and not right and wrong. Because I don't want anybody to steal from me? Again, so what? Why should you believe that? If you're a sales clerk at Sears and you are giving me 5 dollars in change and give me 4 ones and a $20 bill why should I return the $20? If you see a hot chick why not rape her if you can get away with it? Notice how when the law breaks down and anarchy ensues, such as in times of war; men, who would never act otherwise, suddenly become rapist.
I think it is very important to have a value system outside of yourself. A set of rules dictating moral behavior that you answer to and are held accountable for. Without that then morality is just whatever you say it is. And I don't trust human nature.
BTW, this is NOT an argument for the existence of God. Just because one does not like the consequences of living in a Godless universe, one where there is not objective rules for morality and clearly defined notions of right and wrong, doesn't argue for God's existence.
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Oh, in that case you're right.
On the other hand I don't know of anyone, myself included, who believe in Christianity because it's in a book. You are putting the cart before the horse, my friend. We believe in God first. We learn about the life of Jesus and morality from the Bible.
Now, and this is a more salient point and often trivialized, we learn right from wrong; good and bad, from the Bible and Christianity. And I know how this initially sounds. Without God, with a set of rules to live by, a system of ethics outside of yourself, then morality simply because a matter of personal opinion based mostly on self interest and what you can safely get away with.
If you ask me why stealing is wrong and I say that it's wrong because it says so in the Bible. I sound simplistic. But if I ask an atheist why stealing is wrong what would they say? Because it's wrong? Why? Because it hurts someone else? So what? That's a matter of compassion and sensitivity and not right and wrong. Because I don't want anybody to steal from me? Again, so what? Why should you believe that? If you're a sales clerk at Sears and you are giving me 5 dollars in change and give me 4 ones and a $20 bill why should I return the $20? If you see a hot chick why not rape her if you can get away with it? Notice how when the law breaks down and anarchy ensues, such as in times of war; men, who would never act otherwise, suddenly become rapist.
I think it is very important to have a value system outside of yourself. A set of rules dictating moral behavior that you answer to and are held accountable for. Without that then morality is just whatever you say it is. And I don't trust human nature.
BTW, this is NOT an argument for the existence of God. Just because one does not like the consequences of living in a Godless universe, one where there is not objective rules for morality and clearly defined notions of right and wrong, doesn't argue for God's existence.
I am not saying that's the way I am thinking, I am saying that atheist accuse us of thinking this way. I was a Christian and accepted Jesus before I ever read the Bible. The only way to describe God for me is the way an atheist believes he loves his daughter...now if I wanted to play devil's advocate I would tell them I don't believe he or she loves their daughter, and technically there would be no possible way they could prove that to me. I am a Christian and I do believe the Bible has no errors, but I don't believe the Bible or any book for that matter can prove the existance of God.
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Religion is just a method to control people.
If people cannot see this, I am deeply sorry.
I have no issues with religious people, just don't preach to me about your fantasy world and we are straight.
200,000 different religions on this planet and they all claim to be "the one"... ;D
Choose wisely... ;)
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Religion is just a method to control people.
If people cannot see this, I am deeply sorry.
I have no issues with religious people, just don't preach to me about your fantasy world and we are straight.
200,000 different religions on this planet and they all claim to be "the one"... ;D
Choose wisely... ;)
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Just a little exaggeration ;D
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Religion is just a method to control people.
I have no issues with religious people, just don't preach to me about your fantasy world and we are straight.
I have no issues with non-religious people, Just don't tell me why you think i'm being controled and we are straight.
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I have no issues with non-religious people, Just don't tell me why you think i'm being controled and we are straight.
;D That was a good one rotfl...lol
I don't know why I found that so funny....call me weird. lol
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I am not saying that's the way I am thinking, I am saying that atheist accuse us of thinking this way. I was a Christian and accepted Jesus before I ever read the Bible. The only way to describe God for me is the way an atheist believes he loves his daughter...now if I wanted to play devil's advocate I would tell them I don't believe he or she loves their daughter, and technically there would be no possible way they could prove that to me. I am a Christian and I do believe the Bible has no errors, but I don't believe the Bible or any book for that matter can prove the existance of God.
Hah! It seems I keep missing your deeper point. Much is loss with internet banter. You seem like a very thoughtful person and it would be a pleasure if we could sit down in person and discuss the great issues of life.
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Religion is just a method to control people.
If people cannot see this, I am deeply sorry.
I have no issues with religious people, just don't preach to me about your fantasy world and we are straight.
200,000 different religions on this planet and they all claim to be "the one"... ;D
Choose wisely... ;)
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Why is a belief system, one which one is free to join or not, and has a set of rules of conduct, self-imposed limitations and restraints on one's behavior just a means to control people?
Say the Pope declared that before any one is allowed to enter church on Sunday's they are required to a pay a $20 entrance fee or be turned away. And such a rule would be strictly enforce. You will see how much "control" the Pope has over "his people."
Do you believe in anything? Do you belong to any group with shared beliefs? NRA? PETA? Labor Union? MADD? Plan Parenthood? Do you belong to any political party? Did you ever serve in the military? Do you have a job where you work for a company?
In Christianity, one is not kidnapped and forced to be a Christian? Practicing Christians are Christians because they actually believe in Christianity and it's set of values. Much like being a Democrat or Republican.
Again it's similar to the notion that when a religious person shares his beliefs, i.e., why he believes abortion is immoral, why is opposed to same sex marriage, why he believes in the power of prayer, why evil must be fought and overcome and not simply co-exist (difference between Carter - Detente and Reagan - Evil Empire). When those ideas are expressed it's called indoctrination. When secular ideas such as same sex marriage, LAWS REQUIRING inclusion of gays and transgender in history books, removing any references to God in our government, no difference in the basic nature of men and women but simply societal bias....
that's called education.
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I want to edit my last posts. Labor Unions are a way to control people. You are forced to join if you want your job, they demand payment, and they support political causes that you may not agree with.
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I have no issues with non-religious people, Just don't tell me why you think i'm being controled and we are straight.
LOL! It rarely works the other way around. People seem to ignore the fact that they are far, far more pestered by secular groups and causes than they are religious groups. Just today going into a grocery store I was stopped and asked to sign a petition for some animal rights group (I didn't stay for the details) and I'm constantly hit up for money for some homeless organization or charity group.
With the exception of those Hare Krishnas (though it hasn't happened in years) I've never been approached and asked for money by any religious organization.
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I have no issues with non-religious people, Just don't tell me why you think i'm being controled and we are straight.
I'm not, in fact not even close. I never even mentioned "you" anywhere. You are upset and my comment was taken as a personal insult, when it was just a statement.
I made a statement that "religion" is a "method" to control people, which is 100% true for the same reasons Pellius mentioned. Anything can be a method of control, i just find religion an easy method to remove that serves no purpose in my life.
I have no will to argue this point, but Christians ask for money every time the plate is passed around.
Believe and live as you wish, nobody is stopping you and I from living however we want.
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LOL! It rarely works the other way around. People seem to ignore the fact that they are far, far more pestered by secular groups and causes than they are religious groups. Just today going into a grocery store I was stopped and asked to sign a petition for some animal rights group (I didn't stay for the details) and I'm constantly hit up for money for some homeless organization or charity group.
With the exception of those Hare Krishnas (though it hasn't happened in years) I've never been approached and asked for money by any religious organization.
Can't recall a time I was imposed upon at graduation, promotion ceremony, government proceedings by secular causes but can recall many a time I've had to wait while Christians violated Jesus' directions on how to pray to him/god. And Salvation Army is Religious based FYI
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I'm not, in fact not even close. I never even mentioned "you" anywhere. You are upset and my comment was taken as a personal insult, when it was just a statement.
I made a statement that "religion" is a "method" to control people, which is 100% true for the same reasons Pellius mentioned. Anything can be a method of control, i just find religion an easy method to remove that serves no purpose in my life.
I have no will to argue this point, but Christians ask for money every time the plate is passed around.
Believe and live as you wish, nobody is stopping you and I from living however we want.
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It's one thing to have a "plate passed around" while in church. I mean, the building, maintenance, a/c, property that you choose to attend doesn't come free. It's quite another to be hit up for funds while walking into a grocery store to support bums who don't want to work for a living.
But I glad you clarified, and I'm not being sarcastic, that there are other methods to control you (though I don't believe that because you have a choice to join any group or organization) but that religion specifically serves no purpose for you.
Also, I find more opposition to religious people practicing their faith than people of faith opposing non believers from practicing their beliefs. "One nation under God" is simply in our pledge. We swear on the Bible. Just let it go. (I don't mean you specifically).
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Now, and this is a more salient point and often trivialized, we learn right from wrong; good and bad, from the Bible and Christianity. And I know how this initially sounds. Without God, with a set of rules to live by, a system of ethics outside of yourself, then morality simply because a matter of personal opinion based mostly on self interest and what you can safely get away with.
If you ask me why stealing is wrong and I say that it's wrong because it says so in the Bible. I sound simplistic. But if I ask an atheist why stealing is wrong what would they say? Because it's wrong? Why? Because it hurts someone else? So what? That's a matter of compassion and sensitivity and not right and wrong.
I think it is very important to have a value system outside of yourself. A set of rules dictating moral behavior that you answer to and are held accountable for. Without that then morality is just whatever you say it is. And I don't trust human nature.
you dont have to have a set of guidelines outside of yourself so long as your a person with mature emotional response, you could rely on those to guide your morals. in fact it would probably be more accurate as situations can be extraordinary and fall outside or written codes.
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you dont have to have a set of guidelines outside of yourself so long as your a person with mature emotional response, you could rely on those to guide your morals. in fact it would probably be more accurate as situations can be extraordinary and fall outside or written codes.
No way, no way, no way, history proves what you say doesn't work. You only think it works cause if you're born in a civilized modern society like today in a democratic nation then ya it works.....only because the nation has taken thousands of years of trial and error to modernize, being born in this environment and living in it your whole life has shaped your emotional response into rational thinking, but if you would be born in ancient days, say 8Th century BC in Assyria when King Tiglath Piliser was running the show and the main source of entertainment in Nineveh would be public flaying of human beings instead of the super bowl,... your emotional response would be barbaric, savage, average human behaviour would be nothing short of what we consider psychotic,
Humans need outside guideline, for sure, history has proved it.
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Hah! It seems I keep missing your deeper point. Much is loss with internet banter. You seem like a very thoughtful person and it would be a pleasure if we could sit down in person and discuss the great issues of life.
Why thank you Pellius 8)
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Can't recall a time I was imposed upon at graduation, promotion ceremony, government proceedings by secular causes but can recall many a time I've had to wait while Christians violated Jesus' directions on how to pray to him/god. And Salvation Army is Religious based FYI
Come on. Now you're stretching. Those are formal ceremonies and as much as many, perhaps even you don't want to admit it and resent it, we are a Christian nation. Be fair.
We were talking about people pushing their beliefs in everyday life. And secular, not anti-religious, notions are far more prevalent in our universities.
We're going to pray before ball games, graduations, government functions and dedications -- like we always have. Well, at least until the secular extremist manage to remove all references to God.
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you dont have to have a set of guidelines outside of yourself so long as your a person with mature emotional response, you could rely on those to guide your morals. in fact it would probably be more accurate as situations can be extraordinary and fall outside or written codes.
Which why you are the type of person you are. It's the world according to Tbombz. Relying on feelings and emotions. Generation nothingingness personified. You are your own god.
And may he have mercy on your soul.
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I'm too busy tickling your mother's tonsils with my pecker.
His mom has ticklish tonsils?
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No way, no way, no way, history proves what you say doesn't work. You only think it works cause if you're born in a civilized modern society like today in a democratic nation then ya it works.....only because the nation has taken thousands of years of trial and error to modernize, being born in this environment and living in it your whole life has shaped your emotional response into rational thinking, but if you would be born in ancient days, say 8Th century BC in Assyria when King Tiglath Piliser was running the show and the main source of entertainment in Nineveh would be public flaying of human beings instead of the super bowl,... your emotional response would be barbaric, savage, average human behaviour would be nothing short of what we consider psychotic,
Humans need outside guideline, for sure, history has proved it.
notice i said "mature emotional response". barbarism would fall outside of that.
Which why you are the type of person you are. It's the world according to Tbombz. Relying on feelings and emotions. Generation nothingingness personified. You are your own god.
And may he have mercy on your soul.
im actually more of a rational thinker than an emotional one. ive had to teach myself to have proper emotional responses. and i dont get it right all the time. but one who always gets the right emotional response can trust it to be the most moral action. it might be helpful to remember that we are all bound to the limitations of our ignorances, and because of this "mature" not only denounces logical correctness in choosing the most moral action but knowledge of all facts pertaining to such judgement. because we cant always know all the facts, sometimes a mature reaction can be the wrong reaction. its important to point out that in this rare occuronce the person could not be blamed for not making the most moral decision because ignorance is never the fault of ones own self. lazy yes, ignorant no.
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notice i said "mature emotional response". barbarism would fall outside of that.
im actually more of a rational thinker than an emotional one. ive had to teach myself to have proper emotional responses. and i dont get it right all the time. but one who always gets the right emotional response can trust it to be the most moral action. it might be helpful to remember that we are all bound to the limitations of our ignorances, and because of this "mature" not only denounces logical correctness in choosing the most moral action but knowledge of all facts pertaining to such judgement. because we cant always know all the facts, sometimes a mature reaction can be the wrong reaction. its important to point out that in this rare occuronce the person could not be blamed for not making the most moral decision because ignorance is never the fault of ones own self. lazy yes, ignorant no.
Once again you need a guidline to know what maturity is in the responder... your maturity is not the same as mine. Furthemore maturity can only come throw outside influences that had to begin somewhere. Relying on yourself as an individual free of any type of moral guidline throughout the globe would bring utter chaos
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notice i said "mature emotional response". barbarism would fall outside of that.
im actually more of a rational thinker than an emotional one. ive had to teach myself to have proper emotional responses. and i dont get it right all the time. but one who always gets the right emotional response can trust it to be the most moral action. it might be helpful to remember that we are all bound to the limitations of our ignorances, and because of this "mature" not only denounces logical correctness in choosing the most moral action but knowledge of all facts pertaining to such judgement. because we cant always know all the facts, sometimes a mature reaction can be the wrong reaction. its important to point out that in this rare occuronce the person could not be blamed for not making the most moral decision because ignorance is never the fault of ones own self. lazy yes, ignorant no.
You trust human nature. I don't. You trust your own nature. I really don't. Therefore, I believe many simply cannot give a true, honest, objective evaluation of themselves, their motives and responses to events, incidences, and circumstances that occur in their lives. I truly doubt a Pol Pot or Stalin woke up every morning and said, "How can I make the world a more wicked place? How can I be more of a monster? How many innocent people will I have killed."
It is no surprise that you, a bisexual recreational drug user that even posts videos of himself stoned out of his mind and feels the need to describe in intimate detail his homosexual encounters to complete strangers, considers himself to be a person of a rational nature. A learned, reasoned, well thought out individual who deep down considers himself a bit (if not a lot) above the pack. Someone who is little bit special than the average schmoe. What else is a self absorbed, self-indulgent, narcissistic, hedonist to think?
Whether ignorance of other reasons or excuses one uses to justify a behavior and relieve a person of fault it doesn't relieve him of responsibility. If someone is raised in a horrible violent household of course it is not his fault and it is not hard to see why he would turn out to be a horrible violent human being. But he is still responsible for his actions.
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You trust human nature. I don't. You trust your own nature. I really don't. Therefore, I believe many simply cannot give a true, honest, objective evaluation of themselves, their motives and responses to events, incidences, and circumstances that occur in their lives. I truly doubt a Pol Pot or Stalin woke up every morning and said, "How can I make the world a more wicked place? How can I be more of a monster? How many innocent people will I have killed."
It is no surprise that you, a bisexual recreational drug user that even posts videos of himself stoned out of his mind and feels the need to describe in intimate detail his homosexual encounters to complete strangers, considers himself to be a person of a rational nature. A learned, reasoned, well thought out individual who deep down considers himself a bit (if not a lot) above the pack. Someone who is little bit special than the average schmoe. What else is a self absorbed, self-indulgent, narcissistic, hedonist to think?
Whether ignorance of other reasons or excuses one uses to justify a behavior and relieve a person of fault it doesn't relieve him of responsibility. If someone is raised in a horrible violent household of course it is not his fault and it is not hard to see why he would turn out to be a horrible violent human being. But he is still responsible for his actions.
damn.... :o
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You trust human nature. I don't. You trust your own nature. I really don't. Therefore, I believe many simply cannot give a true, honest, objective evaluation of themselves, their motives and responses to events, incidences, and circumstances that occur in their lives. I truly doubt a Pol Pot or Stalin woke up every morning and said, "How can I make the world a more wicked place? How can I be more of a monster? How many innocent people will I have killed."
It is no surprise that you, a bisexual recreational drug user that even posts videos of himself stoned out of his mind and feels the need to describe in intimate detail his homosexual encounters to complete strangers, considers himself to be a person of a rational nature. A learned, reasoned, well thought out individual who deep down considers himself a bit (if not a lot) above the pack. Someone who is little bit special than the average schmoe. What else is a self absorbed, self-indulgent, narcissistic, hedonist to think?
Whether ignorance of other reasons or excuses one uses to justify a behavior and relieve a person of fault it doesn't relieve him of responsibility. If someone is raised in a horrible violent household of course it is not his fault and it is not hard to see why he would turn out to be a horrible violent human being. But he is still responsible for his actions.
even though this post sounds insulting, Pellius has a strong point, Pellius is cold :-\
Sorry Tbombs don't mean to gang up on you, I do consider you intelligent, but if I recall correctly several years back someone pissed you off....and you replied with something that you were going to kill their mom, dad and torture them and some more stuff that would make charlse manson's thoughts look like a saint..one of the craziest threats I ever read....surley you can't trust a mine that wonders off every now and then?
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even though this post sounds insulting, Pellius has a strong point, Pellius is cold :-\
Sorry Tbombs don't mean to gang up on you, I do consider you intelligent, but if I recall correctly several years back someone pissed you off....and you replied with something that you were going to kill their mom, dad and torture them and some more stuff that would make charlse manson's thoughts look like a saint..one of the craziest threats I ever read....surley you can't trust a mine that wonders off every now and then?
Tbombz and myself have a past. We routinely trade insults. We actually moderate ourselves and practice a bit of self restraint because we are on another board and not the wild West Thunder Dome that is the G&O.
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It was an impressive spanking.. to say the least..
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It was an impressive spanking.. to say the least..
NO! NO! Don't say that! That's exactly what he wants! It always precedes the deep tissue massage "only inside." (His words)
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You trust human nature. I don't. You trust your own nature. I really don't. Therefore, I believe many simply cannot give a true, honest, objective evaluation of themselves, their motives and responses to events, incidences, and circumstances that occur in their lives. I truly doubt a Pol Pot or Stalin woke up every morning and said, "How can I make the world a more wicked place? How can I be more of a monster? How many innocent people will I have killed."
It is no surprise that you, a bisexual recreational drug user that even posts videos of himself stoned out of his mind and feels the need to describe in intimate detail his homosexual encounters to complete strangers, considers himself to be a person of a rational nature. A learned, reasoned, well thought out individual who deep down considers himself a bit (if not a lot) above the pack. Someone who is little bit special than the average schmoe. What else is a self absorbed, self-indulgent, narcissistic, hedonist to think?
Whether ignorance of other reasons or excuses one uses to justify a behavior and relieve a person of fault it doesn't relieve him of responsibility. If someone is raised in a horrible violent household of course it is not his fault and it is not hard to see why he would turn out to be a horrible violent human being. But he is still responsible for his actions.
u seem to suffer from a lack of reading comprehension
re read this
one who always gets the right emotional response can trust it to be the most moral action. it might be helpful to remember that we are all bound to the limitations of our ignorances, and because of this "mature" not only denounces logical correctness in choosing the most moral action but knowledge of all facts pertaining to such judgement. because we cant always know all the facts, sometimes a mature reaction can be the wrong reaction. its important to point out that in this rare occuronce the person could not be blamed for not making the most moral decision because ignorance is never the fault of ones own self. lazy yes, ignorant no.
even though this post sounds insulting, Pellius has a strong point, Pellius is cold :-\
Sorry Tbombs don't mean to gang up on you, I do consider you intelligent, but if I recall correctly several years back someone pissed you off....and you replied with something that you were going to kill their mom, dad and torture them and some more stuff that would make charlse manson's thoughts look like a saint..one of the craziest threats I ever read....surley you can't trust a mine that wonders off every now and then?
re read the above.
i remember making that threat. it was to overload. my intention was to write the nastiest most vile thing i could think of. and ive got a thing with words. i never actually meant it. i think it was something along the lines of chopping off his parents genetials and taking pictures of their dead bodies with the genetials stuffed in their mouths. ;D
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Well that was the "shakespeare" of threats ;D
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There are many religions and many bibles all claiming the one they follow is the only way. So which one do we pick?
For the bible, the one that sticks to the original translated language(s). For the religion that is the true one, it will be the one that sticks to the teachings of the original translated language(s). Jesus said you would know his people by the fruits they produced.
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For the bible, the one that sticks to the original translated language(s). For the religion that is the true one, it will be the one that sticks to the teachings of the original translated language(s). Jesus said you would know his people by the fruits they produced.
Terror around the world ? ???
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Terror around the world ? ???
Good point! Now which ones don't do this?
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Good point! Now which ones don't do this?
Ones that dont follow religions ???
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Ones that dont follow religions ???
They profess christian origin.
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They profess christian origin.
But distance themselves far from it.
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how about the one with the most accurate historical narrative, the Bible. Ethiopians can trace back their ancestors to "cush" a Biblical figure. Sargon of Akkad, the first to mount an army of 5000 according to archaeology was also the one to create the first walled cities, he is the Biblical Nimrod, The Biblical character Mitraim is known to be the father of Egypt, no direct proof of this, however Egyptian hieroglyphs often refer to the Nile, the mitraim river. Modern Jordanian can trace their ancestors to the Biblical character lot, in fact Lots son according to the Bible, Amman built a city and named it after himself and till this day it's still the capital of Jordan. Saudi
' along with other Arab nation are direct descendants from the Biblical Ishmael. chedorlaomer is found through archaeology to be the first king of Elam, also a Biblical characters, other historical figures mentioned in the Bible backed up by non Biblical documents,menuscripts or archaeology are as follows, Ramses, Shalmanaser, Tiglath, Sennacherib,Essarhaddon, Ashurbanipal, Nebuchadnezzar, Beltisar, Cyrus the great, Xerxes, Darius, All the kings from the Assyrian Empire, The Babylonion Empire and the Alchamenid Dynasty-Medo-Persian.....Historical cities, timeline, characters and empires all 100% accurate.....All this doesn't prove God, but if you must choose a religion why not choose the one with zero flaws in its narrative...just saying 8)
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how about the one with the most accurate historical narrative, the Bible. Ethiopians can trace back their ancestors to "cush" a Biblical figure. Sargon of Akkad, the first to mount an army of 5000 according to archaeology was also the one to create the first walled cities, he is the Biblical Nimrod, The Biblical character Mitraim is known to be the father of Egypt, no direct proof of this, however Egyptian hieroglyphs often refer to the Nile, the mitraim river. Modern Jordanian can trace their ancestors to the Biblical character lot, in fact Lots son according to the Bible, Amman built a city and named it after himself and till this day it's still the capital of Jordan. Saudi
' along with other Arab nation are direct descendants from the Biblical Ishmael. chedorlaomer is found through archaeology to be the first king of Elam, also a Biblical characters, other historical figures mentioned in the Bible backed up by non Biblical documents,menuscripts or archaeology are as follows, Ramses, Shalmanaser, Tiglath, Sennacherib,Essarhaddon, Ashurbanipal, Nebuchadnezzar, Beltisar, Cyrus the great, Xerxes, Darius, All the kings from the Assyrian Empire, The Babylonion Empire and the Alchamenid Dynasty-Medo-Persian.....Historical cities, timeline, characters and empires all 100% accurate.....All this doesn't prove God, but if you must choose a religion why not choose the one with zero flaws in its narrative...just saying 8)
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Like that the sun stopped in the sky so that a battle could be fought? Nothing found in Chinese history of this
Or that dead saints rose from their graves and walked through the city for many to see (nothing outside Matthew on this)
Or People had to return to the place of their birth for a census (never happens)
Or, all first born male children were killed (no records outside the bible)
I could go on...and on...and on.......
Or
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Like that the sun stopped in the sky so that a battle could be fought? Nothing found in Chinese history of this
Or that dead saints rose from their graves and walked through the city for many to see (nothing outside Matthew on this)
Or People had to return to the place of their birth for a census (never happens)
Or, all first born male children were killed (no records outside the bible)
I could go on...and on...and on.......
Or
I have to dig it up but yes there is an outside source of an event where it stayed dark for a long time around the same time period, will get back to you on this..
Your argument doesn't make sense, no historical document on the planet can be backed up of all it's little details, of course there are events like you mention, you can go on and on....well, I'll help you go on and on. I think you missed the point
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For the bible, the one that sticks to the original translated language(s). For the religion that is the true one, it will be the one that sticks to the teachings of the original translated language(s). Jesus said you would know his people by the fruits they produced.
Terror around the world ? ???
Good point! Now which ones don't do this?
Ones that dont follow religions ???
They profess christian origin.
But distance themselves far from it.
Sorta. Staying separate from the world was the key. Why? First-century christians were able to keep clear of the bloody wars and politics of their time. Remember when Jesus said:?
Matthew 26:52:
"Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword."
John 18:36:
"My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source."
When we take a look at how the first-century christians applied those principles, it becomes somewhat advantages for the reader in ascertaining the insight needed for further review of the Holy Scriptures' outlook on other matters of past, present, future events. For instances, they kept themselves completely separate from the world, by maintaining strict neutrality when it came to political and military affairs. Look at:
John 15:17-19; 17:14-16:
[15]: (17) "This is my command: Love each other. (18) If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. (19) If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
[17]: (14) I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. (15) My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. (16) They are not of the world, even as I am not of it."
Also if we take note of the first-century christians rejection to fight against each other, as well as complete strangers, this would give us a gauge in helping identify the folks whom are engaging in same activity. It is clear from history that first-century christians joined neither the Jewish nationalist movements nor the imperial armies of Rome. At the same time, they did not try to tell the political leaders what to do, as that was the responsibility of those governmental leaders. Look at:
Galatians 6:5:
"For each one should carry their own load."
Interestingly, Tertullian, the historian, referenced Jesus sentiments in regards to this subject by asking: "Shall it be held lawful to make an occupation of the sword, when the Lord [Jesus] proclaims that he who uses the sword shall perish by the sword?".
So then, this is one of the fruits Jesus was speaking about in order for a person to make an educated opinion on the matter.
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I have to dig it up but yes there is an outside source of an event where it stayed dark for a long time around the same time period, will get back to you on this..
Your argument doesn't make sense, no historical document on the planet can be backed up of all it's little details, of course there are events like you mention, you can go on and on....well, I'll help you go on and on. I think you missed the point
There are historical documents, then there are manuscripts, many anonymous, that make supernatural claims of extraordinary events that happened thousands of years ago that are made without any corroborative evidence. While the bible contains some accurate details as it was written by men who lived in that area, it also makes outrageous claims of supernatural events set in place by a spirit god with little support. Now this manuscripts can be called "historical documents" technically because they were written 2000 yrs ago, but I call BS on "accurate" when it comes to much of what is contained within them.
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Gotta lol at anyone that claims they know specific details of anything that happened thousands of years ago...oh its true because you read it in a book?..gotcha...
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There are historical documents, then there are manuscripts, many anonymous, that make supernatural claims of extraordinary events that happened thousands of years ago that are made without any corroborative evidence. While the bible contains some accurate details as it was written by men who lived in that area, it also makes outrageous claims of supernatural events set in place by a spirit god with little support. Now this manuscripts can be called "historical documents" technically because they were written 2000 yrs ago, but I call BS on "accurate" when it comes to much of what is contained within them.
Correct, I believe the subject was out of the thousands of religions why choose a certain one....this is why I said, you missed my point, so this time I will make it clear, all religions have supernatural in them, so I don't expect anyone to believe in the supernatural occurrences, but since they all have them, let's cancel out this factor and look into the accuracy of its historical nature so that we may pick from this factor alone. Considering one does not believe in God, can you think of a more logical way to pick a religion to look into?
Clearly if a historical reference has been mistaken in an ancient manuscript, it no longer becomes a credible source of information,............ the points you stated above are good points to say that have not been proved, however this does not mean they didn't occur. Until you can pinpoint an inaccurate historical event from Biblical reference, I would say the Bible is truly a remarkable piece of historical significents.
Nothing found in Chinese history of this :o
..................In the ancient Chinese writings there is a legend of a long day. The Incas of Peru and the Aztecs of Mexico have a like record, and there is a Babylonian and a Persian legend of a day that was miraculously extended. Another section of China contributes an account of the day that was miraculously prolonged, in the reign of Emperor Yeo. Herodotus recounts that the priests of Egypt showed him their temple records, and that there he read a strange account of a day that was twice the natural length.
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