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Tell me with a straight face how can this afrcian american fella, who is just plain towering over Andrei Arlovski in this pic, fight at LHW??? Its is simply unfair to say the last, the brother should just man up and fight the dogs of his size at the heavies...
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"towering!" LOL. He's only a couple of inches taller. The black guy has no legs, that is the weight difference.
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Tell me with a straight face how can this afrcian american fella, who is just plain towering over Andrei Arlovski in this pic, fight at LHW??? Its is simply unfair to say the last, the brother should just man up and fight the dogs of his size at the heavies...
Because he weighs 205 lbs.
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Because he weighs 205 lbs.
no he doesnt, he walks around at the high 220s or even 230s. Lets see your boy make weight in the day of the fight, oh wait he cant!
And what about Antonio Silva cuting 30+ fucking pounds to fight Fedor? This bullshit must stop, otherwise whats the point in making weight **classess** if everyone is cheating on it???
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no he doesnt, he walks around at the high 220s or even 230s. Lets see your boy make weight in the day of the fight, oh wait he cant!
And what about Antonio Silva cuting 30+ fucking pounds to fight Fedor? This bullshit must stop, otherwise whats the point in making weight **classess** if everyone is cheating on it???
What he "walks around at" is irrelevant...the only thing that matters is the weight when he steps on the scales the day before the fight.
He could take a cab to Coney Island and bury Joey Chestnut and Kobashi in a hot dog eating contest directly after; come in the next day at 245 and EVEN then it would be irrelevant, legally sanctioned, and totally above the table.
And what about Antonio Silva cutting 30lbs to fight Fedor? He MADE the weight the day before the fight, that is all that matters.
Now if you are talking about creating a Cruiserweight division for the lighter current heavys or a Superheavyweight division for the bigger fellas then that is a whole other discussion in itself.
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no he doesnt, he walks around at the high 220s or even 230s. Lets see your boy make weight in the day of the fight, oh wait he cant!
And what about Antonio Silva cuting 30+ fucking pounds to fight Fedor? This bullshit must stop, otherwise whats the point in making weight **classess** if everyone is cheating on it???
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How are they "cheating", you dumb bastard? ::) You do realize that athletes in all sports that have weight classes cut weight just for the weigh-in, don't you?
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ok why make weight in a DIFFERENT day that the fight is happening? the answer is: to give fighters chance to fraud it. hell, make the weight ins one week before fight day, wont change a damn, fighters will still be weighting 30lbs more than the class limit at fight time, lol, what a joke.
whats next, you gonna tell me that olympic lifters dont juice because they are tested?? lol, is all just one big fucking fraud. The whole system is built in suck way to incentive you to cheat and cheat more than than your competitor, plain and simple.
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Man, you're really fucking stupid.
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Man, you're really fucking stupid.
answer me, fucktard, whats the purpose of the weight classes?
and doesnt a fighter outweighting the other by more than 30 pounds (almost the difference bewteen the LW and HW barriers) totally defy that purpose?????
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ok why make weight in a DIFFERENT day that the fight is happening? the answer is: to give fighters chance to fraud it. hell, make the weight ins one week before fight day, wont change a damn, fighters will still be weighting 30lbs more than the class limit at fight time, lol, what a joke.
whats next, you gonna tell me that olympic lifters dont juice because they are tested?? lol, is all just one big fucking fraud.
Do you really think this is a new concept? Weigh ins a day before the fight have been happening for OVER A HUNDRED YEARS!
Nobody was bitching when Manny Pacquiao weighed in 3 lbs under the contracted limit and a day later was 15 lbs less than Antonio Margartio...this shit works both ways sometimes.
The only time I have an issue with it is when a guy like Floyd Mayweather Jr. KNOWINGLY steps onto the scale weighing 4 or 5 lbs heavier than the agreed weight and the fight STILL goes on with Floyd obviously having a massive advantage against a lighter fighter like Juan Manuel Marquez.
Btw...Did you just start watching professional fighting about a month ago? I feel like I am explaining a "first down" to a housewife or something.
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Do you really think this is a new concept? Weigh ins a day before the fight have been happening for OVER A HUNDRED YEARS!
Nobody was bitching when Manny Pacquiao weighed in 3 lbs under the contracted limit and a day later was 15 lbs less than Antonio Margartio...this shit works both ways sometimes.
The only time I have an issue with it is when a guy like Floyd Mayweather Jr. KNOWINGLY steps onto the scale weighing 4 or 5 lbs heavier than the agreed weight and the fight STILL goes on with Floyd obviously having a massive advantage against a lighter fighter like Juan Manuel Marquez.
no I dont think its a new concept, but since you are puting this light on it, drugs and preparation science are playing a big part on it, I will not be suprised if in some years guys would be cuting as much as 50 pounds efficiently before a fight. Just abolish this weight "classes" bullshit already! It just gives 6'5 pussies chance to fight guys originally 2 weight classes bellow them. Bravo...
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no I dont think its a new concept, but since you are puting this light on it, drugs and preparation science are playing a big part on it, I will not be suprised if in some years guys would be cuting as much as 50 pounds efficiently before a fight. Just abolish this weight "classes" bullshit already! It just gives 6'5 pussies chance to fight guys originally 2 weight classes bellow them. Bravo...
Some guys HAVE cut 50 lbs before a fight!
As far as the "why even have weight classes" it's such a silly argument summed up best with Robert DeNiro and Joe Pesci in this clip from Raging Bull @ 11:50 to 13:00.
A great big man will kick the shit out of the great little man almost every single time in a fight. That's just the way it is, from 200 years in the past to 200 years in the future. This is why weight classes exist.
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no I dont think its a new concept, but since you are puting this light on it, drugs and preparation science are playing a big part on it, I will not be suprised if in some years guys would be cuting as much as 50 pounds efficiently before a fight. Just abolish this weight "classes" bullshit already! It just gives 6'5 pussies chance to fight guys originally 2 weight classes bellow them. Bravo...
You can take all the drugs and know all the science in the world...it won't replace water which is what that person would be cutting to drop 50 before a fight....not to mention he'd have to be wheelchair'd to the scale and put on IV's afterwards and watered like a damn plant so he wouldn't die in his sleep that night.
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You can take all the drugs and know all the science in the world...it won't replace water which is what that person would be cutting to drop 50 before a fight....not to mention he'd have to be wheelchair'd to the scale and put on IV's afterwards and watered like a damn plant so he wouldn't die in his sleep that night.
There has been many examples of the "bigger, heavier" fighter cutting too much before a fight and being at a significant disadvantage to the quicker, smaller fighter because of lack of energy and stamina from the dramatic weight loss.
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Jon Jones looks damn near 6'5 225lbs+ with a god damn 84.5" reach. Thats f#king unheard of even in the heavyweight division! He beats up on these little 6'0 205-215lb guys who don't even have a hope in hell and spits them out like thumb tacks
Shogun didn't quite look himself but it wouldn't of matted, same thing would of happened. Shogun had nothing for him and most other HW vs LHW fights would go the same way. The freakshow fight factor is what makes me really wanna watch Jon Jones fights, and in this case Jon Jones fights are SKILLED freak shows unlike the fat slobs vs giants matches in Japan. Thought it was funny as hell watching him fold Bader into a pretzel that easy, and poor poor Matt Hamill.
I honestly think we just saw the biggest size difference in a fight for a long time in the UFC and really, its pretty cruel and unfair to his opponents but at the same time it makes for a fucking ruthless cheating beatdown LOL. I really don't think Jones would be as successful at his natural weight and wouldn't have such a huge advantage but would be really cool to see though. Jones-JDS Velasquez Nelson ect. Same thing with Anderson Silva but to a lesser extent obviously, there isn't such a size difference in his case.
The over sized lanky black man rules and will hold the belt forever.
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What he "walks around at" is irrelevant...the only thing that matters is the weight when he steps on the scales the day before the fight.
He could take a cab to Coney Island and bury Joey Chestnut and Kobashi in a hot dog eating contest directly after; come in the next day at 245 and EVEN then it would be irrelevant, legally sanctioned, and totally above the table.
And what about Antonio Silva cutting 30lbs to fight Fedor? He MADE the weight the day before the fight, that is all that matters.
Now if you are talking about creating a Cruiserweight division for the lighter current heavys or a Superheavyweight division for the bigger fellas then that is a whole other discussion in itself.
No. What matters is how much they weight when they're in the cage trying to take each others heads off. Size does matter.
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No. What matters is how much they weight when they're in the cage trying to take each others heads off. Size does matter.
I just said that about 3 posts up you fucking idiot.
Why don't you actually follow the conversation before you open your fat mouth?
No. Period? lol, get a clue and stay the fuck out of my way, newb.
A great big man will kick the shit out of the great little man almost every single time in a fight. That's just the way it is, from 200 years in the past to 200 years in the future. This is why weight classes exist.
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I just said that about 3 posts up you fucking idiot.
Why don't you actually follow the conversation before you open your fat mouth?
No. Period? lol, get a clue and stay the fuck out of my way, newb.
A great big man will kick the shit out of the great little man almost every single time in a fight. That's just the way it is, from 200 years in the past to 200 years in the future. This is why weight classes exist.
Mouthy fuck huh.. ::)
What he "walks around at" is irrelevant...the only thing that matters is the weight when he steps on the scales the day before the fight.
I took that statement the wrong way, sorry. You are an asshole btw.
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It's cool man, we just had a little misunderstanding between us.
I apologize if I was a little abrasive, it is something I am working on and trying to improve in my personal life.
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The size difference between Fedor and Big Foot was much bigger.
Shogun can drop down a weight class if he wants to. That's what Faber did knowing he will never beat Aldo. So did BJ though it seems he wants back at 170 where he gives up significant lean muscle size. That's important. He was a bit under 170 when he fought GSP who stepped into the cage near 190. But there's more of a practical real world difference between a pudgy 170 versus a single digit lean 190 than just that 20 lb difference. And don't forget that Randy Couture dropped to LH after losing to Ricco Rodriguez at a heavy weight. Remember he was pushed to retire after that but remade himself became a legend fighting LH. But now he's back to HW.
As long as everybody plays by the same rules it's fair. The rule is that you make weight at the designated weigh in. Everybody knows the rules. You can fight in any weight class you feel you can make weight at.
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Ive never had a problem with weight classes because if you can make the weight, then you should be able to fight. The weigh in would be best on the morning / afternoon of the fight if people have issues with fighters putting on a subsequent amount of weight to give them a supposed "advantage" but either way i dont see an issue.
People choose to fight in a specific division knowing only too well that if they are at the bottom end of it weight wise then they already have a problem. If you weigh 225 and are fighting a Brock / Bigfoot / Carwin / Rogers - guys who cut to make 265 - and you are scared about the size difference then you would probably be best to drop to 205 and be stronger there (at the same time becoming the Lesnar / Bigfoot etc of the LHW division). Is this deemed unfair?
Open weight GP's have proven many times that its not always the biggest man that wins the fight, anyone can win at any time if they are trained well enough and have a little bit of luck. If Dana was able to stage just one then it would surprise alot of people as to who exactly progresses.
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Tell me with a straight face how can this afrcian american fella, who is just plain towering over Andrei Arlovski in this pic, fight at LHW??? Its is simply unfair to say the last, the brother should just man up and fight the dogs of his size at the heavies...
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You my friend do not understand combat sports. Every fighter has the same advantage and disadvantage of cutting weight. Everything comes at a price. If a guy cuts very little or cuts a lot, there's a disadvantage to both.
Hopefully this makes it understandable for you.
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It's cool man, we just had a little misunderstanding between us.
I apologize if I was a little abrasive, it is something I am working on and trying to improve in my personal life.
My fault. And good luck with the improvement.
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Bottom line is that the weight is made at weigh-in.
If jones walked around with a TON more weight on his bones normally, after his cut, come fight day, he's not gonna perform that great....i.e. the cut was too tough.
I see a 205 monster with long limbs and great skill. I see the same thing at 185 as well.
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Bottom line is that the weight is made at weigh-in.
If jones walked around with a TON more weight on his bones normally, after his cut, come fight day, he's not gonna perform that great....i.e. the cut was too tough.
I see a 205 monster with long limbs and great skill. I see the same thing at 185 as well.
Same. GSP to a lesser extent too. He`s always got the reach advantage.
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What he "walks around at" is irrelevant...the only thing that matters is the weight when he steps on the scales the day before the fight.
He could take a cab to Coney Island and bury Joey Chestnut and Kobashi in a hot dog eating contest directly after; come in the next day at 245 and EVEN then it would be irrelevant, legally sanctioned, and totally above the table.
And what about Antonio Silva cutting 30lbs to fight Fedor? He MADE the weight the day before the fight, that is all that matters.
Now if you are talking about creating a Cruiserweight division for the lighter current heavys or a Superheavyweight division for the bigger fellas then that is a whole other discussion in itself.
Outstanding post. This is how I feel exactly. Antonio Silva was a ririculous 57 lbs heavier than Fedor when they entered the cage, and had a 5" reach advantage. Not to mention that he's 5 years younger. 57 lbs is almost the weight difference between a lightweight and a light-heavyweight!!!!!!!!!!!So Fedor holds his own against this 285 lbs monster at a bodyweight of 228 lbs and even wins the first round, and then loses due to a doctor stoppage and he is "exposed". Can't you guys see how absurd it is for a man who is 6'4 and weights 285 lbs to beat on a little 6' fighter who weights 228 lbs? Go ask GSP if we would like to fight heavyweights. The difference in weight between Fedor and Silva is like the difference in weight between GSP and Mir. It is ridiculous! And Fedor is so great that he holds his own and wins the first round according to all the judges, and yet you guys won't give the little bastard credit. The same for Jones vs Shogun. Jones was clearly around 230 lbs for this fight whilst Shogun was around 200 lbs. Not as huge a difference between Silv and Fedor, but still big.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Outstanding post. This is how I feel exactly. Antonio Silva was a ririculous 57 lbs heavier than Fedor when they entered the cage, and had a 5" reach advantage. Not to mention that he's 5 years younger. 57 lbs is almost the weight difference between a lightweight and a light-heavyweight!!!!!!!!!!!So Fedor holds his own against this 285 lbs monster at a bodyweight of 228 lbs and even wins the first round, and then loses due to a doctor stoppage and he is "exposed". Can't you guys see how absurd it is for a man who is 6'4 and weights 285 lbs to beat on a little 6' fighter who weights 228 lbs? Go ask GSP if we would like to fight heavyweights. The difference in weight between Fedor and Silva is like the difference in weight between GSP and Mir. It is ridiculous! And Fedor is so great that he holds his own and wins the first round according to all the judges, and yet you guys won't give the little bastard credit. The same for Jones vs Shogun. Jones was clearly around 230 lbs for this fight whilst Shogun was around 200 lbs. Not as huge a difference between Silv and Fedor, but still big.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I would love to see GSP fight Shogun or Rampage, good fighters 40-50lbs heavier. See how long he lasts lol. Thats what Fedor has always done. As we saw Shogun got eaten alive by a bigger skilled fighter..
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I would love to see GSP fight Shogun or Rampage, good fighters 40-50lbs heavier. See how long he lasts lol. Thats what Fedor has always done. As we saw Shogun got eaten alive by a bigger skilled fighter..
It won't last long, smaller guys generally don't have the mass/bodyweight to knock out heavyweight's or bigger guys in general.
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I would love to see GSP fight Shogun or Rampage, good fighters 40-50lbs heavier. See how long he lasts lol. Thats what Fedor has always done. As we saw Shogun got eaten alive by a bigger skilled fighter..
Shogun and Rampage could cut to 185, but they don't want the risks of the cut. ALL fighters know what they are against when they decide their weight classes....part of the game. Been that way since the beginning of combat sports. Get over it.
Fedor obviously doesn't watch what he eats and has never been concerned with his weight....it ended up catching up to him with the new breed of HW's.
Cain and JDS are taking these risks as well.
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Shogun and Rampage could cut to 185, but they don't want the risks of the cut. ALL fighters know what they are against when they decide their weight classes....part of the game. Been that way since the beginning of combat sports. Get over it.
Fedor obviously doesn't watch what he eats and has never been concerned with his weight....it ended up catching up to him with the new breed of HW's.
Cain and JDS are taking these risks as well.
It's crazy how much thinking these guys put into this weightclass shit, they balance factors like how much they would have to cut/bulk up (almost nobody bulks up, except maybe Couture) what their reach is compared to other guys in that division (works out better when you have a few inch reach advantage)
what their height is in comparison to other guys in said division, how lanky they are vs other fighters, etc.
Personally I hate when fighters go up and down 30 lbs. I think it's ridiculous, they should walk around max 10-15lbs. more then their weigh in weight, anything more and they should just be in a different weight class.
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Shogun and Rampage could cut to 185, but they don't want the risks of the cut. ALL fighters know what they are against when they decide their weight classes....part of the game. Been that way since the beginning of combat sports. Get over it.
Fedor obviously doesn't watch what he eats and has never been concerned with his weight....it ended up catching up to him with the new breed of HW's.
Cain and JDS are taking these risks as well.
People kept calling Todd Duffee the "new bread" and look what happened to him.. And didn't Dana White come up with that stupid term?
Fighters have been evolving since 1993, you act as if they just started getting better now or something... ???
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People kept calling Todd Duffee the "new bread" and look what happened to him.. And didn't Dana White come up with that stupid term?
Fighters have been evolving since 1993, you act as if they just started getting better now or something... ???
Duffee NEVER had the hype or success Jones has had. Jones has demolished every opponent with a style that we have never seen before. He's a champ at 23 and just demolished one of the best LHW's in the world.
Duffee never had anything near this success or skill.
Jones has a unique style...he almost views fighting from a different perspective than most. Jones may or not be a "new breed" but he's young, unique and excititng to watch.
Somebody will develop a way to beat him eventually, but that's the nature of the sport.
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Duffee NEVER had the hype or success Jones has had. Jones has demolished every opponent with a style that we have never seen before. He's a champ at 23 and just demolished one of the best LHW's in the world.
Duffee never had anything near this success or skill.
Jones has a unique style...he almost views fighting from a different perspective than most. Jones may or not be a "new breed" but he's young, unique and excititng to watch.
Somebody will develop a way to beat him eventually, but that's the nature of the sport.
I just hope he's not a passing trend like Belfort was.. when you get things too early ,they tend not to last.
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Duffee NEVER had the hype or success Jones has had. Jones has demolished every opponent with a style that we have never seen before. He's a champ at 23 and just demolished one of the best LHW's in the world.
Duffee never had anything near this success or skill.
Jones has a unique style...he almost views fighting from a different perspective than most. Jones may or not be a "new breed" but he's young, unique and excititng to watch.
Somebody will develop a way to beat him eventually, but that's the nature of the sport.
Nobody will suddenly develop an 84" reach and grow to 6'5" to beat him. There are NO challenges for him at 205, none whatsoever. I will enjoy watching all of his future freak show beat downs though lol.
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Nobody will suddenly develop an 84" reach and grow to 6'5" to beat him. There are NO challenges for him at 205, none whatsoever. I will enjoy watching all of his future freak show beat downs though lol.
Forget iit, dude: ShitPusher is the greatest moron to ever post in this board. He will say anything to defend the UFC and anything that it does no matter what. He is the ultiimate Zuffa Zombie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Forget iit, dude: ShitPusher is the greatest moron to ever post in this board. He will say anything to defend the UFC and anything that it does no matter what. He is the ultiimate Zuffa Zombie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I've really never seen anything like it. And i've talked to quite a few Zuffa zombies on Sherdog, but none of them compare to this. Unbelievable. Its almost as if he's trying to get us to actually change our opinions on what skilled fighting is and means. Is he trying to change our opinions or something? He only posts on here because this is the only place he can get away with it. Wouldn't last 2 seconds on the MMA Linker Forums, where there is just too much knowledge and common sense for him.
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Nobody will suddenly develop an 84" reach and grow to 6'5" to beat him. There are NO challenges for him at 205, none whatsoever. I will enjoy watching all of his future freak show beat downs though lol.
Are you telling us that nobody will ever beat Jones?
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Forget iit, dude: ShitPusher is the greatest moron to ever post in this board. He will say anything to defend the UFC and anything that it does no matter what. He is the ultiimate Zuffa Zombie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Still watching MMA? Didn't you say you were no longer going to follow the sport?
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Are you telling us that nobody will ever beat Jones?
Let me ask you something.If JJ goes on a 10 year win streak then starts losing once he hits mid 30s are you going to say hes over rated?Or that he fought cans all his career? Seems most people like to run their mouth about Fedor, when really who has Jones fought thats really great fighters so far? Rua? it could be argued hes past his best, Bader is hopelessTheyre the last 2.....
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Let me ask you something.If JJ goes on a 10 year win streak then starts losing once he hits mid 30s are you going to say hes over rated?Or that he fought cans all his career? Seems most people like to run their mouth about Fedor, when really who has Jones fought thats really great fighters so far? Rua? it could be argued hes past his best, Bader is hopelessTheyre the last 2.....
I can't predict the future...but Hamil, Bonnar, Bader, and Rua isn't a shabby list of victories thus far in his career.
But one thing that makes him far superior to Fedor is that he has proven that he will not dodge fights/opponents people want to see.
He didn't want to fight Rashad, but he stepped up and took the fight.
Fedor was known to decline fights.
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I can't predict the future...but Hamil, Bonnar, Bader, and Rua isn't a shabby list of victories thus far in his career.
But one thing that makes him far superior to Fedor is that he has proven that he will not dodge fights/opponents people want to see.
He didn't want to fight Rashad, but he stepped up and took the fight.
Fedor was known to decline fights.
Matt who? Stephan who? Despite what Zuffa tells you, those 2 names won't go down on the whos who list of mma fighter past or present. Fedor isn't scared of anyone obviously, but his management sure as hell is. Why? Because their livelihood depends on him. Fedor was just too naive to see what was happening. I shouldn't even have to tell you this its well known within the mma world. Don't know where you get your info from... ???
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Matt who? Stephan who? Despite what Zuffa tells you, those 2 names won't go down on the whos who list of mma fighter past or present. Fedor isn't scared of anyone obviously, but his management sure as hell is. Why? Because their livelihood depends on him. Fedor was just too naive to see what was happening. I shouldn't even have to tell you this its well known within the mma world. Don't know where you get your info from... ???
I'll be the first on to tell you that Fedor's management tarnished and disgraced his career, but ultimately, it's Fedor's name in the history books.
He chose his management, therefore it's his fault. Simple really.
Now, I'm not saying that Jon Jones is at legendary status by any means, but we CERTAINLY know that Jones will never duck the fights fans want to see. He's fighting a friend and teammate next. Jones in no way has been protected by fighting cans and freak show fights like Fedor has been doing recently.
Jones recently accepted a title shot on short notice, and demolished a legend and top-ranked guy.
What more do you want from the guy?
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I'll be the first on to tell you that Fedor's management tarnished and disgraced his career, but ultimately, it's Fedor's name in the history books.
He chose his management, therefore it's his fault. Simple really.
Now, I'm not saying that Jon Jones is at legendary status by any means, but we CERTAINLY know that Jones will never duck the fights fans want to see. He's fighting a friend and teammate next. Jones in no way has been protected by fighting cans and freak show fights like Fedor has been doing recently.
Jones recently accepted a title shot on short notice, and demolished a legend and top-ranked guy.
What more do you want from the guy?
It's not exactly that simple. In Russia you don't get to make a lot of personal decisions yourself like you get to do here in the US. Especially when you are an athlete at the level of Fedor where what you do is considered representative of your mother country.
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It's not exactly that simple. In Russia you don't get to make a lot of personal decisions yourself like you get to do here in the US. Especially when you are an athlete at the level of Fedor where what you do is considered representative of your mother country.
Are you saying that Fedor needs a disclaimer by his name in the history books?
This is MMA, and in regards to his record, it is what it is. He dodged fights people wanted to see. People will remember that.
Many top fighters have said this...it's common knowledge that he's turned down fights with Overeem on multiple occasions as well as Crocop to name a few. They were even in the same org at the time as well.
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Are you saying that Fedor needs a disclaimer by his name in the history books?
This is MMA, and in regards to his record, it is what it is. He dodged fights people wanted to see. People will remember that.
Many top fighters have said this...it's common knowledge that he's turned down fights with Overeem on multiple occasions as well as Crocop to name a few. They were even in the same org at the time as well.
No. Why would you say that? But things work very differently in Russia. Fedor didn't turn down or accept anything. Remember when they started their own organization where Putin would be in the audience? I forget already what it was called. Hell, you could practically see brown envelopes exchanging hands after each bout.
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No. Why would you say that? But things work very differently in Russia. Fedor didn't turn down or accept anything. Remember when they started their own organization where Putin would be in the audience? I forget already what it was called. Hell, you could practically see brown envelopes exchanging hands after each bout.
I'm in total agreement with you on the way things are in Russia. Whatever the reason, Fedor dodged fights. If it was him personally or his management doesn't really matter.
This takes nothing away from Fedor's respectable and humble demeanor.
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The repetitiveness of your "arguments" sour this board. You have nothing positive to contribute at all, you seem to have bought into Zuffa's propaganda that if its not UFC then its meaningless - look outside the box and you will open yourself up to a whole new world of talent and appreciation. The realisation that the UFC doesnt / hasnt always had the best fighters is right there for you, you just need to accept it.
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The repetitiveness of your "arguments" sour this board. You have nothing positive to contribute at all, you seem to have bought into Zuffa's propaganda that if its not UFC then its meaningless - look outside the box and you will open yourself up to a whole new world of talent and appreciation. The realisation that the UFC doesnt / hasnt always had the best fighters is right there for you, you just need to accept it.
I got a better idea...why don't you just ignore my posts.
Tell me what current MMA there is to 'appreciate' besides Bellator that is not Zuffa/UFC owned.
I do watch most MMA and quite honestly, all it does it make me appreciate the talent/professionalism/production of UFC/ZUffa owned events.
Now fuck off and quit reading my posts. Your life will thank you for it.
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Whilst i appreciate your point of view, heres an idea for you to dwell on: get off the board altogether. Amongst many things you lack the basic knowledge required to post here, you most likely Google everything prior to making a "Fedor is over rated" comment just so that you attempt to understand what is being discussed by the grown ups.
Zuffa is far and away the market leader for MMA at present but when have they ever put a show on for more than 20,000 people? They could easily do it, Pride did it all the time. Yes Pride is dead and buried, absorbed by the company but there are so many things outside of the UFC you ignore that show you for what you really are: a reality TV fan with no MMA knowledge prior to that clash of the "immortals" - Griffin V Bonnar.
And why does it always have to be current when we speak here about historical facts? If i want to discuss current issues then i would also back you when you say Fedor is a long way down the pecking order and unable to compete at the elite level however if you want to ask who the greatest fighter of all time is, then it IS Fedor. If you want to look at Crocop & Nog in the current environment then i will also agree wholeheartedly that they are further off the pace than Fedor, however if you want to discuss top 10 fighters of all time then they are strong considerations. People wake up one day and are just no the same person, now for all of his remarkable power do you think Melvin Manhoef would have knocked out the 2004 version of Mark Hunt? I think not.
I suppose however that ignorance is bliss so i guess the best thing to do is simply skip past anything you write, its nothing more than a 3 year old spitting the dummy because mummy bought the wrong sweetie.
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Whilst i appreciate your point of view, heres an idea for you to dwell on: get off the board altogether. Amongst many things you lack the basic knowledge required to post here, you most likely Google everything prior to making a "Fedor is over rated" comment just so that you attempt to understand what is being discussed by the grown ups.
Zuffa is far and away the market leader for MMA at present but when have they ever put a show on for more than 20,000 people? They could easily do it, Pride did it all the time. Yes Pride is dead and buried, absorbed by the company but there are so many things outside of the UFC you ignore that show you for what you really are: a reality TV fan with no MMA knowledge prior to that clash of the "immortals" - Griffin V Bonnar.
And why does it always have to be current when we speak here about historical facts? If i want to discuss current issues then i would also back you when you say Fedor is a long way down the pecking order and unable to compete at the elite level however if you want to ask who the greatest fighter of all time is, then it IS Fedor. If you want to look at Crocop & Nog in the current environment then i will also agree wholeheartedly that they are further off the pace than Fedor, however if you want to discuss top 10 fighters of all time then they are strong considerations. People wake up one day and are just no the same person, now for all of his remarkable power do you think Melvin Manhoef would have knocked out the 2004 version of Mark Hunt? I think not.
I suppose however that ignorance is bliss so i guess the best thing to do is simply skip past anything you write, its nothing more than a 3 year old spitting the dummy because mummy bought the wrong sweetie.
Here you go spewing PRIDE bullshit and comparing it to the UFC, but it's not OK for me to defend the UFC? Hmmmm that seems hypocritical.
To compare PRIDE events to UFC events is pointless. Besides, if PRIDE was considered to be sooo great, why did it get shit-canned?
And one last thing, the UFC for once has a venue that will support a HUGE crowd of over 20,000 people (55,000 to be exact) and guess what, it sold out in minutes!!
Bwahahhahahahaha nice try, fool. If you really did follow MMA closely you would know that Dana has said that he has always been afraid to do stadium/coliseums until this event.
http://www.lowkick.com/UFC/Ticket-sales-for-UFC-129-generate-record-breaking-Numbers-11841 (http://www.lowkick.com/UFC/Ticket-sales-for-UFC-129-generate-record-breaking-Numbers-11841)
The UFC announced today that tickets for their April 30th event, UFC 129: St. Pierre vs Shields, sold out just minutes after they were made available. Due to the high demand, the Rogers Centre, which was originally configured for a 42,000 capacity crowd, was reformatted to allow an additional 13,000 seats, bringing the total number sold to 55,000.
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I'm in total agreement with you on the way things are in Russia. Whatever the reason, Fedor dodged fights. If it was him personally or his management doesn't really matter.
This takes nothing away from Fedor's respectable and humble demeanor.
I think it does matter if Fedor, himself, refuses a match, or if his handlers do so. It does not matter in respect to his fighting record and the credibility it gives him. But it does matter when judging his character. Fedor strikes me as a genuinely religious person and that he believes that though he may do everything possible within his power and ability to steer the odds in his favor his ultimate fate is determined by God. Many will say this but when you see how he accepted his defeats and the possibility of his career coming to an end it shows his genuineness. So for him whether in victory or defeat he is simply following the path set for him by God. From that perspective, whom he fights is almost irrelevant.
Look at his demeanor before all of his fights. Look at his face when he squares off in front of his opponent as the rules are recited. No mean mugging. No posturing. No psyching out games. Just a man at peace stepping up to accept his fate with honor and courage as has been ordain for him by God.
That being said, I believe that if Fedor had fought Big Foot in the Pride of old the fight would not have been stopped and Fedor would have gone on with the almost stoic resignation that he so often displays, oblivious to any pain or injuries he may be suffering.
The out come may have been different as Big Foot was getting noticeable winded and as many here know, no matter how big and strong you are once you lose your wind you're done.
This is not to take anything away from Big Foot. He absolutely man handled Fedor. But Fedor has been man handled before and have come back.
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Tell me with a straight face how can this afrcian american fella, who is just plain towering over Andrei Arlovski in this pic, fight at LHW??? Its is simply unfair to say the last, the brother should just man up and fight the dogs of his size at the heavies...
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/636934/2eajtzs_medium.jpg)
same thing as boxing. Fighters walk around at one weight and make cuts.
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Here is the thing: if you are a light-heavyweight, you should weight 205 lbs when you enter the cage and not the day before in the weight-in. After all, you are fighting when you enter the cage and not when you are being weighted in the weight in. It is absurdly pointless this system where your weight matters not when you are going to fight but some days before that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I think it does matter if Fedor, himself, refuses a match, or if his handlers do so. It does not matter in respect to his fighting record and the credibility it gives him. But it does matter when judging his character. Fedor strikes me as a genuinely religious person and that he believes that though he may do everything possible within his power and ability to steer the odds in his favor his ultimate fate is determined by God. Many will say this but when you see how he accepted his defeats and the possibility of his career coming to an end it shows his genuineness. So for him whether in victory or defeat he is simply following the path set for him by God. From that perspective, whom he fights is almost irrelevant.
Look at his demeanor before all of his fights. Look at his face when he squares off in front of his opponent as the rules are recited. No mean mugging. No posturing. No psyching out games. Just a man at peace stepping up to accept his fate with honor and courage as has been ordain for him by God.
That being said, I believe that if Fedor had fought Big Foot in the Pride of old the fight would not have been stopped and Fedor would have gone on with the almost stoic resignation that he so often displays, oblivious to any pain or injuries he may be suffering.
The out come may have been different as Big Foot was getting noticeable winded and as many here know, no matter how big and strong you are once you lose your wind you're done.
This is not to take anything away from Big Foot. He absolutely man handled Fedor. But Fedor has been man handled before and have come back.
You are correct. Fedor is a unique character, and IMO the toughest man in MMA history.
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Here is the thing: if you are a light-heavyweight, you should weight 205 lbs when you enter the cage and not the day before in the weight-in. After all, you are fighting when you enter the cage and not when you are being weighted in the weight in. It is absurdly pointless this system where your weight matters not when you are going to fight but some days before that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Although you have a great point and many of us agree that this seems most fair, the method of weighing in 24-hrs, not days, before a fight is the way all combat sports work as well as all levels of wrestling.
The advantage or disadvantage of cutting weight is a choice everyone has. You act like cutting weight is easy and without side-effects.
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Obviously you are unfamiliar with MMA. Original MMA had no weight classes. The guys who cut weight in exess of 15lbs suffer in the cage over the ones who don't. Its just a matter of stamina vs weight.
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Obviously you are unfamiliar with MMA. Original MMA had no weight classes. The guys who cut weight in exess of 15lbs suffer in the cage over the ones who don't. Its just a matter of stamina vs weight.
Well said, and the truth at that.