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http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)
Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
Gaza City (CNN) -- As Israeli tanks and soldiers plunged deeper into Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned Friday that the military is prepared to further expand its offensive against Hamas militants. The Israel Defense Forces sent a large force into Gaza on Thursday -- infantry, tanks, artillery, combat engineers and intelligence units backed by aerial and naval support.
Their primary target: Tunnels used by Hamas fighters and others to slip into Israel and to smuggle in weaponry and supplies.
Netanyahu did not explain what would spark a wider offensive, or what it would entail. But he said Israel had no choice but to take the fight to Gaza to protect its own people.
"We chose to commence this operation after we had exhausted the other possibilities," he said, "and with the understanding that without action, the price that we would pay would be much greater." Early Friday, artillery fire pounded Beit Hanoun in Gaza. The area was shrouded in smoke. A CNN crew near Sderot, Israel, spotted a substantial increase in armor and tanks on Friday. Roads leading into Gaza were crowded with military traffic and buses carrying soldiers.
Palestinian security sources said overnight that Israeli tanks had reached Abu Holeh, roughly in the center of Gaza, and that Israeli troops were clashing with Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters along the Kissufim road. If Israeli forces go from there to the Mediterranean Sea, they could split Gaza as they did during their 2009 ground operation in the territory. The Israeli operation set off some protests around the world, including in Turkey -- where violent demonstrations outside the Israeli Embassy prompted Israel's Foreign Ministry to send diplomats' families home and reduce staffing to a minimum.
In Jerusalem, police arrested 12 people Friday after what spokesman Micky Rosenfeld described on Twitter as "masked Arab rioters" threw stones at police officers on the Temple Mount, a disputed holy site. No injuries were reported, Rosenfeld said. Jordan called for an urgent meeting of the U.N. Security Council, expected Friday.
And Hamas condemned the incursion. "The beginning of the Israeli ground invasion of Gaza is a dangerous step with unknown consequences. Israel will pay a heavy price for it," spokesman Fawzi Barhoum told CNN. Barhoum said Hamas military forces are "far stronger" than during previous conflicts with Israel in 2009 and 2012. Militants are prepared to capture Israel soldiers and use them to trade for some of the 5,000 prisoners in Israeli jails, Barhoum said.
The IDF said early Friday that one Israeli soldier was killed overnight in northern Gaza -- the second Israeli fatality of the conflict. The IDF said its troops had killed 17 fighters and captured 13, in addition to uncovering eight of the tunnels they were targeting. The Palestinian Health Ministry said that at least 271 Gaza residents have died and more than 2,000 have been injured in the territory since Israel began its military campaign against Hamas last week. At least 24 of the deaths occurred since the ground offensive started late Thursday, the ministry said.
Most of the casualties have been civilians, according to the United Nations. The incursion Thursday followed 10 days of Israeli airstrikes. the collapse of a cease-fire brokered by Egypt but never accepted by Hamas and a five-hour respite Thursday to allow for humanitarian assistance to reach Gaza. Tony Blair: 'Time is running out' U.N.: Palestinians aren't statistics What do Gazans want?
"Where are we supposed to go?"
Al-Aqsa TV reported Friday that Israel had sent text messages to many Palestinians telling them of safe corridors to reach central Gaza.
Before the incursion, the IDF dropped leaflets in 14 areas of Gaza, urging residents to temporarily leave their homes.
"The IDF is a moral army, and it does not aspire to harm even one single innocent person," Netanyahu said Friday. "Not a single one. We are only operating against terrorist targets." But many residents of Gaza have said they have nowhere to go in the small, impoverished strip of land. Border crossings with Israel and Egypt are closed. "Since the Israelis started this 11 days ago, they have been telling us to leave. Where our we supposed to go -- to the Gaza Sheraton? Or take a hike in the forest?" said Al Madhoun, the resident of northern Gaza.
Ramez al Madhoun, a resident of Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza, told CNN by phone that people were streaming past his house Thursday night to flee the Israeli offensive. As blasts from airstrikes and artillery barrages went off in the background, Al Madhoun said that he and his family of about 20 people were staying put. "My father is 78 years old -- where am I supposed to go?" he asked. "We are a sitting duck." Officials seek restraint and precision
Israeli officials said they were focused on destroying tunnels used by Hamas and other groups in Gaza to smuggle supplies in and out of the territory. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with Netanyahu after the offensive began, expressing the view that it "should be a precise operation to target tunnels," the State Department said in a statement. Kerry "emphasized the need to avoid further escalation" and reiterated "the importance of doing everything possible to prevent civilian casualties," the statement said. Chris Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, said the group was asking for restraint "so that civilians who have suffered enough in this appalling conflict do not suffer further." The U.N. agency said it is sheltering about 22,000 people in Gaza City and northern Gaza.
Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, said Israeli bombs hit Wafa Hospital in Gaza while four patients were inside. Seventeen others had evacuated, he said. Some 300,000 of Gaza's approximately 1.8 million residents have been cut off from medical care because of Israeli military operations, Gaza Health Ministry spokesman Dr. Ashraf al-Qidra said Friday.
Neighboring nations involved in peace efforts
It's unclear what impact the incursion will have on efforts to broker a cease-fire in the conflict. Egypt, Turkey, Qatar and the Arab League have all been involved in efforts to find a solution to the fighting. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met Thursday with Arab League Secretary-General Nabil Al-Arabi. An Israeli delegation also attended, leaving after several hours, the state-run al-Ahram news agency reported. Negotiators were focusing on stopping bloodshed above all else, Palestinian official Nabil Shaath said at the time. He said they would later discuss Hamas demands, including opening Gaza border crossings and freeing some Palestinian prisoners.
Hamas leaders had rejected an earlier Egyptian cease-fire proposal, saying they had not been consulted on the deal and complaining that it did not address their broader demands. Abbas was scheduled to be in Turkey on Friday for further talks.
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Only savage, uncivilized beasts could cheer the deaths of little children, and the wholesale slaughter of their fellow man.
http://scgnews.com/cnn-confirms-israelis-cheer-as-civilians-are-murdered-in-gaza-video
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Only savage, uncivilized beasts could cheer the deaths of little children, and the wholesale slaughter of their fellow man.
http://scgnews.com/cnn-confirms-israelis-cheer-as-civilians-are-murdered-in-gaza-video
Isn't that what Hamas does?
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Isn't that what Hamas does?
Don't they cheer out in the streets and make videos when someone detonates a backpack in a crowded marketplace?
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Or being known for using kids as human shields.
Trust pussy liberals to be on the side of Hamas terrorists.
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Or being known for using kids as human shields.
Trust pussy liberals to be on the side of Hamas terrorists.
Yeah, I feel bad for the kids but its hard to really sympathize with the Palestinians. .. if they wanted peace, they shouldnt be letting Hamas fuck with Israel from within their borders all the time. Israel doesnt fuck around... and if youre letting shitbags use your house to attack your neighbor, dont cry when your neighbor knocks the fence over with some tanks and starts fucking people up.
Seems like everytime Hamas gets Israel to respond, palestine starts crying and playing the victim, even though theyre letting Hamas freely operate within their borders with their consent. If anything, theyre lucky israel has shown the restraint they have, they could have absolutely destroyed them for letting hamas lob rockets and blow up their citizens all the time.
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Yeah, I feel bad for the kids but its hard to really sympathize with the Palestinians. .. if they wanted peace, they shouldnt be letting Hamas fuck with Israel from within their borders all the time. Israel doesnt fuck around... and if youre letting shitbags use your house to attack your neighbor, dont cry when your neighbor knocks the fence over with some tanks and starts fucking people up.
Seems like everytime Hamas gets Israel to respond, palestine starts crying and playing the victim, even though theyre letting Hamas freely operate within their borders with their consent. If anything, theyre lucky israel has shown the restraint they have, they could have absolutely destroyed them for letting hamas lob rockets and blow up their citizens all the time.
Truth.
If your kid has the neighbor's kid over playing in the front yard and the neighbor's kid kicks the hornet nest... well they are both going to get stung. Israel is the same way. Don't want us fucking with you? Don't let shitheads launch rockets into our areas.
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Only savage, uncivilized beasts could cheer the deaths of little children, and the wholesale slaughter of their fellow man.
http://scgnews.com/cnn-confirms-israelis-cheer-as-civilians-are-murdered-in-gaza-video
What a crackpot video by an unknown propaganda site.
How about sitting in your backyard when you see a missile coming right at you and your kids, coming to your kids school - for the last weeks weeks. How about Israel warning over and over again stop the missles aiming at 2 million people and Hamas doesnt?
And the worst. How about Israel accepting a ceasefire and Hamas said no - we want you to attack us so we can get money by showing images of children getting killed and hurt.
How about the UN expressing outrage over Hamas putting 20+ missiles in their school that is supposed to take care of children.
Remember, you are dealing with Hamas, whose sole purposes is to destroy Israel. How you forget that so easily sitting in your Canadian home where it is safe, not worried about a missile hitting you in your backyard.
Lets put a terrorist organization about a mile from you, and lets let them fire a missle to you whenever they want. They may hit you, they may not - I guess you are ok with it.
I am not.
The goal is not to hurt children, but to stop the missles.. and yep, the tunnels that Hamas dug to infiltrate Israel instead of using the money to help their people. Remember, they don't care about the Palestinians at all. They care about their agenda.
Once you understand that no matter what you do, peace is not their agenda.
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And yes, remember that 13 Israeli soldiers died overnight trying to stop this missile attacks, while Hamas fires from schools, mosques and hospitals. Not an easy fight
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Only savage, uncivilized beasts could cheer the deaths of little children, and the wholesale slaughter of their fellow man.
http://scgnews.com/cnn-confirms-israelis-cheer-as-civilians-are-murdered-in-gaza-video
God bless Israel. May they have a resounding victory over the terrorist pigs named Hamas and the brain washed, peace hating morons known as the "Palestinians".
Israel gave up that land in hope of peace. They are worse now than when they handed it to the Palestinians. Throughout history if people can't get along and diplomacy doesn't work then the only recourse is war. Hamas wanted this war, they don't want peace, Israel doesn't have anyone on the other side that wants peace, so only recourse is to destroy those that want to destroy them.
Dead kids? If they love their children so much, they should just accept that Israel is not going anywhere and broker a true peace deal with Israel.
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I say get it over with, winner take all. And the US idiocy in this whole matter. Does anyone think that if La reconquista was launching missiles into Arizona, Texas, or California the US would let anyone dictate our response?
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The Palestinian people are a conquered nation. Let Israel finish them off and get the fuck over it. It's happened time and again throughout history and it will happen time and again in the future.
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On Wednesday, UNRWA officials found some 20 missiles in a vacant school. A day later it released a statement strongly condemning “the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations. This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law,” the statement read. UNRWA immediately convened an inquiry to investigate the incident, Gunness said. “All existing evidence will be handed over by UNRWA to the investigation, which can commence as soon as hostilities in Gaza are over.” Israel has requested the UN release photos of the rockets. Officials plan to disseminate these images to bolster its assertion that Hamas is hiding missiles in schools, diplomatic sources said Friday. But UNRWA is currently refusing to disclose any photos, arguing that “any photographic material” is evidence needed for UNRWA’s evidence. “We will keep relevant players informed about the investigation,” Gunness said.
Sad - they find the missiles at the school, yet may have given them back to Hamas. Come on.
The Palestinian people are a conquered nation. Let Israel finish them off and get the fuck over it. It's happened time and again throughout history and it will happen time and again in the future.
No. Sadly, the Palestinian people want peace. Most of them do. But Hamas does not, and uses them and doesnt care about them. Very sad. No one wants missles coming to them, either way. But Hamas needed this, because the Arab world was slowly stopping to give them money, and worse - Egypt doesnt want anything to do with them, as well as many other Arab nations.
What is not noted here is that Israel and Egypt are working together. At the same time Israel responded to Hamas' rejection of the cease fire, Egypt closed all borders and illegal tunnel activity on their end too.
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Idiot obama telling israel to back down.
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The issue isn't so black and white like people often try to propagandize it. There's not an evil or good side in this war - it's just a war of peoples like always. Try to remember that.
But i feel like if you don't have biases and aren't brainwashed by the liberal and neocon media your heart can't help but be with the Palestinians who are suffering at an extremely disproportionate rate when compared to the Israelis.
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But i feel like if you don't have biases and aren't brainwashed by the liberal and neocon media your heart can't help but be with the Palestinians who are suffering at an extremely disproportionate rate when compared to the Israelis.
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Why are they suffering at a "disproportionate rate"? Who is to blame for that? That is what they get for uniting with a terrorist organization whose principal goal is the extinction of Israel.
Very simple. A person who attacks someone else with the intent to kill is putting their own life in danger. Same thing with the "peace loving" Palestinians.
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Idiot obama telling israel to back down.
I don't understand the international hiarchy one bit. Is this kind of thing just for show?
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I wonder if Obama would tell Mexico to stop sending criminals and bad guys over to this country through tunnels etc if that were happening here in this country?
:D :D :D :D
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And yes, remember that 13 Israeli soldiers died overnight trying to stop this missile attacks, while Hamas fires from schools, mosques and hospitals. Not an easy fight
Exactly. It is extremely difficult when one side actually follows the laws of armed conflict while the other repeatedly ignores them.
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The issue isn't so black and white like people often try to propagandize it. There's not an evil or good side in this war - it's just a war of peoples like always. Try to remember that.
But i feel like if you don't have biases and aren't brainwashed by the liberal and neocon media your heart can't help but be with the Palestinians who are suffering at an extremely disproportionate rate when compared to the Israelis.
Pure truth here but brainwashed people dont actually know they are brainwashed so expect to be hated around here :)
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Why are they suffering at a "disproportionate rate"? Who is to blame for that? That is what they get for uniting with a terrorist organization whose principal goal is the extinction of Israel.
Very simple. A person who attacks someone else with the intent to kill is putting their own life in danger. Same thing with the "peace loving" Palestinians.
It's only "very simple" for simpletons.
In reality it is much more complex.
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Exactly. It is extremely difficult when one side actually follows the laws of armed conflict while the other repeatedly ignores them.
One side has the technological and monetary means to do that but even then if you follow the UN and humanitarian orgs' reports they are highly critical of Israel's methods.
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Hamas needs to be squashed
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One side has the technological and monetary means to do that but even then if you follow the UN and humanitarian orgs' reports they are highly critical of Israel's methods.
It does not take technology or means to follow the law of armed conflict. Even poor countries and armies can refuse to put command and control centers in residential neighborhoods, surrounded by noncombatants. Rouge military outfits can refuse to put soldiers in hospitals and churches. It doesn't take resources to refrain from targeting civilians with bombs.
But those folks are terrorists. They don't follow rules.
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It does not take technology or means to follow the law of armed conflict. Even poor countries and armies can refuse to put command and control centers in residential neighborhoods, surrounded by noncombatants. Rouge military outfits can refuse to put soldiers in hospitals and churches. It doesn't take resources to refrain from targeting civilians with bombs.
But those folks are terrorists. They don't follow rules.
Israel engages in terrorism too. They don't follow the rules either. The U.N. has been highly critical of Israel and if it weren't for the U.S, Israel would have long been blacklisted by the world for their crimes against humanity and ever increasing illegal settlements.
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Israel engages in terrorism too. They don't follow the rules either. The U.N. has been highly critical of Israel and if it weren't for the U.S, Israel would have long been blacklisted by the world for their crimes against humanity and ever increasing illegal settlements.
Really? They intentionally target noncombatants? They blow up hospitals and churches? Bomb marketplaces?
When?
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Really? They intentionally target noncombatants? They blow up hospitals and churches? Bomb marketplaces?
When?
Hospitals, water lines, sewage systems, schools, family homes in residential areas, journalists,kids playing soccer on beaches which foreign journalists witnessed themselves etc etc.
Are you new to this or something? If so, i suggest you start reading researching.
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Egypt Jordan Canada and others are supporting Israel
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Hospitals, water lines, sewage systems, schools, family homes in residential areas, journalists,kids playing soccer on beaches which foreign journalists witnessed themselves etc etc.
And you're saying they were specifically targeting civilians and not terrorists imbedded within civilians?
You have a link? I'd like to read it.
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Egypt Jordan Canada and others are supporting Israel
Meanwhile in The Islamic Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland:
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And you're saying they were specifically targeting civilians and not terrorists imbedded within civilians?
You have a link? I'd like to read it.
In many cases, yes. IM on my mobile now so you'll have to wait.
Honestly im a bit shocked that you aren't aware of all this. Ill help you out tho.
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The more dead hamas terrorists and those that birth their evil spawn the better
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In many cases, yes. IM on my mobile now so you'll have to wait.
Honestly im a bit shocked that you aren't aware of all this. Ill help you out tho.
I'm aware of propaganda. I'm not aware of any substantiated allegations of Israel targeting civilians. But I'll read whatever you link. Thanks.
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Israel engages in terrorism too. They don't follow the rules either. The U.N. has been highly critical of Israel and if it weren't for the U.S, Israel would have long been blacklisted by the world for their crimes against humanity and ever increasing illegal settlements.
Why would you follow the "rules" when the enemy doesn't give a damn about "rules". You give shelter and support to groups like Hamas, you eventually have to pay the piper. Maybe the "pals" should take a good look at what is causing their problems and kick their asses out of Gaza
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Sad - they find the missiles at the school, yet may have given them back to Hamas. Come on.
No. Sadly, the Palestinian people want peace. Most of them do. But Hamas does not, and uses them and doesnt care about them. Very sad. No one wants missles coming to them, either way. But Hamas needed this, because the Arab world was slowly stopping to give them money, and worse - Egypt doesnt want anything to do with them, as well as many other Arab nations.
What is not noted here is that Israel and Egypt are working together. At the same time Israel responded to Hamas' rejection of the cease fire, Egypt closed all borders and illegal tunnel activity on their end too.
Nope. Not only was Hamas elected by Palestinians it is impossible for them to function without their help. Of course there are those that don't want a fight, as in any war. But trying to portray Hamas as so different from the average Palestinian - the very ones who put them in power - just reeks of politically correct non-sense.
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What would $620+ million dollars do to improve our border security? That's what the US is sending Isreal for it's missile security system, about double what was initially allocated. Done with bi-partisan support.
Yea, I'm not big on giving money to either side. I think we have to help our own first, before we give away to others. But, this is completely approved yet, so the amount might be reduced, and you can usually see some type of caveat where the money has to be used (or a portion of it) in the U.S.
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Zechariah 12:2-3 New International Version (NIV)
2 “I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem.
3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.
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israel needs to wipeout gaza, flatten it, bulldoze it and blow it up. remove gaza from the face of the earth.
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In many cases, yes. IM on my mobile now so you'll have to wait.
Honestly im a bit shocked that you aren't aware of all this. Ill help you out tho.
Are u a fucking idiot..Hamas is a terrorist organization that kills its own people. Israel is a sovereign nation who is allowed to defend itself. Israel could kill every man, woman and child in Gaza in about 72 hours...all their doing is getting their own folks killed doing it the hard way. I'd fuel air bomb the entire area for 48 hours...the world would get over it.
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I don't understand the international hierarchy one bit. Is this kind of thing just for show?
Good, thoughtful post, imo.
I have no clue about this either, btw.
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Are u a fucking idiot..Hamas is a terrorist organization that kills its own people. Israel is a sovereign nation who is allowed to defend itself. Israel could kill every man, woman and child in Gaza in about 72 hours...all their doing is getting their own folks killed doing it the hard way. I'd fuel air bomb the entire area for 48 hours...the world would get over it.
I'm waiting for him to post something that shows Israel doing something like this:
Firing from a hospital? A hospital? No wonder Palestinians are getting slaughtered.
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REPORTS: MASSIVE NEW YEAR'S TERRORIST INVASION OF ISRAEL THWARTED BY SECURITY FORCES
Breitbart.com ^ | 7/25/14 | PAUL MILLER
Posted on July 25, 2014 10:09:50 PM EDT by PA Engineer
Thousands of Hamas-linked terrorists planned to invade Israel on the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah), which begins on September 24, according to an Israel security source.
First reported by Ma'ariv, then in English by i24news, “thousands of terrorists were meant to cross over to Israel from Gaza through the tunnels and kill and kidnap as many Israelis as they could. The source added that the army learned about the huge planned attack during the interrogations of Hamas prisoners, captured during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza.”
Reports state that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu informed his cabinet about the foiled plot during a Thursday cabinet meeting. The leader of the Jewish State reportedly expressed to officials that if this attack was not stopped, the number of Israeli fatalities may have been higher than the over 2,200 deaths Israel suffered during 1973 Yom Kippur War.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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Krauthammer sums it so nicely....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-oped-krauthammer-on-moral-clarity-0721-20140721,0,199395.column
Hamas isn't interested in coexistence...they want to eradicate Israel.
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Krauthammer sums it so nicely....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-oped-krauthammer-on-moral-clarity-0721-20140721,0,199395.column
Hamas isn't interested in coexistence...they want to eradicate Israel.
Some kind of funky paywall preventing me from reading this.
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Israel should send a message to it's neighbors that in 48hrs they are going to level gaza and if they do not leave within the next 48hrs they will be considered combatants to be killed. then Israel should destroy gaza and kill EVERY FUCKING PERSON WHO STAYS; MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN EVERY FUCKING TERRORIST ONE OF THEM.
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Almost all major news organizations around the world are Jewish owned. Why does the mainstream media worldwide demonize Israel? ???
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Almost all major news organizations around the world are Jewish owned. Why does the mainstream media worldwide demonize Israel? ???
Maybe because Israel is going too far?
For me, it's Israel's blatant PR campaign that grates.
Personally, as a half-portagee from CA, I have no dog in this fight so I'm apt to take the view of some others that when the powerful and the not-so-powerful clash militarily then the weaker side is gonna likely to get smashed. It's not pleasant but it's nothing new.
What offends me and motivates me to weigh in on this old and complicated conflict which involves plenty of blame for both sides is not the military action of Israel (which I find fairly unremarkable) but the fact that they're simultaneously conducting a full-scale PR campaign to paint themselves as innocent victims while giving a lopsided beating to Palestine. It's offensive to me because it's so heavy-handed that it seems to bespeak of an utter lack of respect for their PR campaign's intended audience. (Translation: They must think all Americans are a bunch of fucking retards to buy what they're selling.)
Rant over, lol.
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Israel engages in terrorism too. They don't follow the rules either. The U.N. has been highly critical of Israel and if it weren't for the U.S, Israel would have long been blacklisted by the world for their crimes against humanity and ever increasing illegal settlements.
Hmmm. You seem to know more about this issue than some others on this thread. Seem like some folks see the word "terrorist" and that's all they need to know.
I don't endorse this view but a Palestinian commenter on another site said, "Getting mad at Palestinians for lobbing ineffective rockets at Israel is like getting mad at a woman for slapping her rapist." I'm not sure how Israel has been "raping" Palestine but this comment does give me food for thought.
Ex-Israeli soldier speaks out… what he says will change everything you think you know about Israel!
The talk by Eran Efrati was filmed in Denver, Colorado on March 3, 2014 as part of The Soldier and the Refusenik U.S. tour with Maya Wind. Eran talk about his experiences in the IDF and then more broadly discusses Israel, its relationship to the U.S. and the global expansion of militarism.
Eran Efrati, 28, was born and raised in Jerusalem. After graduating high school he enlisted in the IDF, where he served as a combat soldier and company sergeant in Battalion 50 of the Nachal Division. He spent most of his service in Hebron and throughout the West Bank. In 2009, he was discharged and joined Breaking the Silence, an organization of veteran Israeli soldiers working to raise awareness about the daily reality in the Occupied Territories. He worked as the chief investigator of the organization, collecting testimonies from IDF soldiers about their activities. He also guided political tours and to the West Bank and worked to educate Israeli youth about the reality of being a soldier in an occupying army. His collected testimonies appear in the booklet “Operation Cast Lead” and their most recent release “Our Harsh Logic”. Since leaving Breaking the Silence, his investigative reports appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post and The Guardian. Today he is active with the Israeli groups Anarchists Against the Wall and Boycott from Within.
More here:
http://www.digital-resistance.com/insight/ex-israeli-soldier-speaks-out-shocking-truth-about-israel/ (http://www.digital-resistance.com/insight/ex-israeli-soldier-speaks-out-shocking-truth-about-israel/)
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Maybe because Israel is going too far?
That doesn't make sense to me though. The mainstream media has shown us that they have no problem pursuing unethical/boarderline evil agendas before.
Is it because they just tell people what they want to hear/ratings?
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I agree. Israel has gone too far.
To level the playing field, the IDF should indiscriminately execute Israeli citizens on a daily basis until the death toll on both sides is proportional.
Once that occurs, the Palestinians will lay down their weapons and agree to a permanent cease fire.
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I agree. Israel has gone too far.
To level the playing field, the IDF should indiscriminately execute Israeli citizens on a daily basis until the death toll on both sides is proportional.
Once that occurs, the Palestinians will lay down their weapons and agree to a permanent cease fire.
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I see. Hey, if you get the time, maybe you'd like to give your rationale for why the IDF's actions ARE justified.
So as to stay on subject, though, please include why you think such a large percentage of the US public seems to disagree (with the notion that the IDF's actions are justified), could ya?
The article below, from www.theamericanconservat ive.com, might be of interest:
Gaza and U.S. Public Opinion
By Daniel Larison • July 24, 2014, 5:59 PM
Gallup finds that Americans are split on the question of whether Israel’s actions in Gaza have been justified or not. Overall, 42% say that they are justified, 39% say they are not, and 20% have no opinion. These results are comparable to a Gallup poll taken during the second intifada twelve years ago, but there are slightly more on the ‘unjustified’ side than there were then.
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It is striking how evenly divided the public is on this question when there is total uniformity among political leaders in the U.S. that Israel is justified in what it has been doing. There is always a significant gap between popular and elite views on foreign policy issues, but it is still fairly unusual for a view held by almost 40% of Americans to have virtually no representation in Congress.
More here:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/gaza-and-u-s-public-opinion/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gaza-and-u-s-public-opinion (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/gaza-and-u-s-public-opinion/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gaza-and-u-s-public-opinion)
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I see. Hey, if you get the time, maybe you'd like to give your rationale for why the IDF's actions ARE justified.
So as to stay on subject, though, please include why you think such a large percentage of the US public seems to disagree (with the notion that the IDF's actions are justified), could ya?
The article below, from www.theamericanconservat ive.com, might be of interest:
Gaza and U.S. Public Opinion
By Daniel Larison • July 24, 2014, 5:59 PM
Gallup finds that Americans are split on the question of whether Israel’s actions in Gaza have been justified or not. Overall, 42% say that they are justified, 39% say they are not, and 20% have no opinion. These results are comparable to a Gallup poll taken during the second intifada twelve years ago, but there are slightly more on the ‘unjustified’ side than there were then.
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It is striking how evenly divided the public is on this question when there is total uniformity among political leaders in the U.S. that Israel is justified in what it has been doing. There is always a significant gap between popular and elite views on foreign policy issues, but it is still fairly unusual for a view held by almost 40% of Americans to have virtually no representation in Congress.
More here:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/gaza-and-u-s-public-opinion/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gaza-and-u-s-public-opinion (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/gaza-and-u-s-public-opinion/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gaza-and-u-s-public-opinion)
The public stopped being represented about 150 years ago.......
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From the Hamas Covenant:
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'
http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
Why the heck are we supporting Hamas at all?
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Why the heck are we supporting Hamas at all?
Well I don't know about supporting Hamas specifically, but if the question is why are we supporting Palestine, then the answer is easy: It's because if their women can look like the gorgeous creature in this video then it's imperative that we stand against Israel's genocidal intentions with regard to Palestine.
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Well I don't know about supporting Hamas specifically, but if the question is why are we supporting Palestine, then the answer is easy: It's because if their women can look like the gorgeous creature in this video then it's imperative that we stand against Israel's genocidal intentions with regard to Palestine.
Focus. My question was not why we support "Palestine." My question was why we support Hamas at all.
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Focus. My question was not why we support "Palestine." My question was why we support Hamas at all.
Look, old man, your libido might be gone, but mine isn't. ;D
Come to think about it, who cares about your question (other than to use it as a segue to introduce this video)? It's not up to you where the conversation goes. You aren't even the OP, so go pound sand or something, why don't ya?
And, anyway, it's not like the vid has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Quite the contrary, actually.
I think that looking at and listening to this exotically beautiful Palestinian woman discuss less talked about aspects of the Israel/Gaza conflict is more interesting than your overly simple question and I'm betting that others here feel the same way.
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Look, old man, your libido might be gone, but mine isn't. ;D
Come to think about it, who cares about your question (other than to use it as a segue to introduce this video)? It's not up to you where the conversation goes. You aren't even the OP, so go pound sand or something, why don't ya?
And, anyway, it's not like the vid has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Quite the contrary, actually.
I think that looking at and listening to this exotically beautiful Palestinian woman discuss less talked about aspects of the Israel/Gaza conflict is more interesting than your overly simple question and I'm betting that others here feel the same way.
Look Simpleton Simon, if you don't like my responses then don't engage me.
But I get that you are probably a Hamas sympathizer.
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Amos 9:15
New International Version (NIV)
15 I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”
says the Lord your God.
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Look Simpleton Simon, if you don't like my responses then don't engage me.
But I get that you are probably a Hamas sympathizer.
LOL.
Look my post-menopausal friend, this is a discussion board so if I don't like your simple-minded questions, I'm going to say so.
If you have a problem with that, feel free to let me know.
Here's my question: When it comes to the conflict between Israel and Palestine, are you dumber than Sean Hannity?
Hmmm, many here have taken your measure, but what about Sean?:
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Trying to appear intelligent by posting a video of Russell Brand= Brutal self ownage
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Trying to appear intelligent by posting a video of Russell Brand= Brutal self ownage
LOL! Isn't this the guy who was fired after showing up for work dressed as Bin Laden after the 911 terrorist attacks?
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LOL.
Look my post-menopausal friend, this is a discussion board so if I don't like your simple-minded questions, I'm going to say so.
If you have a problem with that, feel free to let me know.
Here's my question: When it comes to the conflict between Israel and Palestine, are you dumber than Sean Hannity?
Hmmm, many here have taken your measure, but what about Sean?:
Still laughing . . . .
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Trying to appear intelligent by posting a video of Russell Brand= Brutal self ownage
I can understand if you think Russell Brand is less than an intellectual but is he dumber than Hannity?
I think not.
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Still laughing . . . .
Bugs Bunny?
Dude, how old are you?
No wonder you seem out-of-touch despite living in the West.
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Bugs Bunny?
Dude, how old are you?
No wonder you seem out-of-touch despite living in the West.
Bugs is the man. And yes, you are maroon. :)
Still laughing . . . ;D
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Bugs is the man. And yes, you are maroon. :)
Still laughing . . . ;D
Preferable to your normal sour attitude, so carry on, I say.
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Maybe because Israel is going too far?
For me, it's Israel's blatant PR campaign that grates.
Personally, as a half-portagee from CA, I have no dog in this fight so I'm apt to take the view of some others that when the powerful and the not-so-powerful clash militarily then the weaker side is gonna likely to get smashed. It's not pleasant but it's nothing new.
What offends me and motivates me to weigh in on this old and complicated conflict which involves plenty of blame for both sides is not the military action of Israel (which I find fairly unremarkable) but the fact that they're simultaneously conducting a full-scale PR campaign to paint themselves as innocent victims while giving a lopsided beating to Palestine. It's offensive to me because it's so heavy-handed that it seems to bespeak of an utter lack of respect for their PR campaign's intended audience. (Translation: They must think all Americans are a bunch of fucking retards to buy what they're selling.)
Rant over, lol.
LOL, I knew there was a reason I liked you. RRKore ;)
Yep, that's exactly what they think, ...and for the most part, with a few exceptions (like you) they're right!
Just reading some of the responses in this thread is proof positive of that.
It's not very often I get to say the Israelis are right, ...and mean it. Thank You for that RRKore. :P :-*
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HAMAS is the sole reason for this conflict. They are the sole reason for the dead "palestinians".
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HAMAS is the sole reason for this conflict. They are the sole reason for the dead "palestinians".
That's odd. I was under the impression the Palestinians were dying because of the bombs being dropped on them by Israeli fighters. Didn't realize it was Hamas bombing crowded supermarkets, hospitals, schools, and refugee centres. Thanks for clearing that up. ::) ::)
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That's odd. I was under the impression the Palestinians were dying because of the bombs being dropped on them by Israeli fighters. Didn't realize it was Hamas bombing crowded supermarkets, hospitals, schools, and refugee centres. Thanks for clearing that up. ::) ::)
If stupidity was a crime, you would get the electric chair.
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That's odd. I was under the impression the Palestinians were dying because of the bombs being dropped on them by Israeli fighters. Didn't realize it was Hamas bombing crowded supermarkets, hospitals, schools, and refugee centres. Thanks for clearing that up. ::) ::)
In other words you are an idiot who excuses the actions of a terrorrist organization that is SOLELY responsible for the death of its own people. Interesting how you didn't post any comments in the last 5 years about the "palestinians" and Hamas shooting rockets into Israel with the intent of killing any Jew.
I believe you would be very happy if the "palestinians" killed every Jew. Do you anti-semite much?
No matter how many perverted responses you come up with from here on out, you can't deny this evidence:
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That's odd. I was under the impression the Palestinians were dying because of the bombs being dropped on them by Israeli fighters. Didn't realize it was Hamas bombing crowded supermarkets, hospitals, schools, and refugee centres. Thanks for clearing that up. ::) ::)
Clearly the words of someone who hasn't been paying attention.