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I SHAVE QUITE OFTEN, GENERALLY EOD :D
USE GILETTE FUSION...THAT BLEW. TRIED SHICK 5, PRETTY GOOD. WILL GO WITH THAT ONE UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS A BETTER OPTION FOR ME.
GOT VERY SENSITIVE SKIN, CUTS EASILY, DON'T REACT WELL TO MUCH OILY PRODUCTS ON MY FACE.
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razor? no thanks
I use the machine i use to shave my hair.
Never get cuts, or zits, or redness 8)
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too expensive
use those cheap plastic disposables once a week
pretty uncomfortable but beats pissing money down the drain
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razor? no thanks
I use the machine i use to shave my hair.
Never get cuts, or zits, or redness 8)
THAT DOESN'T LEAVE A CLEAN SHAVE.
DISPOSABLE ISN'T A BAD IDEA. BUT WHAT GEL?
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THAT DOESN'T LEAVE A CLEAN SHAVE.
DISPOSABLE ISN'T A BAD IDEA. BUT WHAT GEL?
cheapest u can find
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cheapest u can find
I BOUGHT THAT ONE TIME WHILE ON VACATION BUT THOSE CHEAP ASS ONES ARE REALLY JUST OIL WITH SOME FOAM. MY FACE BREAKS OUT FROM THAT.
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THAT DOESN'T LEAVE A CLEAN SHAVE.
DISPOSABLE ISN'T A BAD IDEA. BUT WHAT GEL?
why do you need a clean shave so desperately?
sorry my bad, you're a getbigger, hence a CEO and you need to look the part ;) ;D
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why do you need a clean shave so desperately?
sorry my bad, you're a getbigger, hence a CEO and you need to look the part ;) ;D
CLEAN SHAVES JUST LOOK BETTER, BUT YES BEING A CEO I NEED ONE. :D
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there's no such thing as a 'best shaving gel !' they're all fucking crap.
shaving soap or cream :)
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never used shaving gel in my life, or shaving cream, maybe ill put some water on my face IF that
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I just use nivea for men sensitive or gilette sensitive and I've got extremely sensitive skin yet I'm fine with that stuff...anything perfumed is bad for your skin, period.
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I just use nivea for men sensitive or gilette sensitive and I've got extremely sensitive skin yet I'm fine with that stuff...anything perfumed is bad for your skin, period.
I'LL TRY NIVEA GEL. NIVEA ALWAYS DOES ME GOOD.
BUT YES PERFUMED SHIT IS WHAT KILLS MY SKIN.
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stop typing in all caps
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there's no such thing as a 'best shaving gel !' they're all fucking crap.
shaving soap or cream :)
This^ . I switched to a Merkur double edge safety razor with Taylor of Old Bond Street shaving creme and the badger brush and never looked back. Best shave ever.
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This^ . I switched to a Merkur double edge safety razor with Taylor of Old Bond Street shaving creme and the badger brush and never looked back. Best shave ever.
THIS ALL CAN BE PICKED UP AT TARGET?
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I just use soap in the shower when I shave my head and these blades.
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Gillette sensor excel . two blades , you dont need that 5 blade BS. gel ? any - i use barbasol lol its all the same shit. except the fusion razors .. they gave me irritation like no other . i used to do DE shaving but it was a pain in the ass when youre shaving EVERY SINGLE DAY
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as soon as you put gel , or any of that shit compressed in a can, on your face. you can feel it instantly start to burn your face. whats all thay about ???
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THIS ALL CAN BE PICKED UP AT TARGET?
No man, I get it all from amazon.com. You will save a ton of money doing it this way vs. buying those shaving cartridges over and over. Get these.
http://www.amazon.com/Merkur-Model-180-Handled-Safety/dp/B000NL0T1G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332626662&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Tweezerman-2801-h-Mens-Shaving-Brush/dp/B000G647Y8/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1332626715&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Taylor-Street-Taylors-Shaving-Cream/dp/B002QG259K/ref=sr_1_12?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1332626743&sr=1-12
http://www.amazon.com/Superior-Premium-Platinum-Double-Safety/dp/B001QY8QXM/ref=sr_1_2?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1332626803&sr=1-2
You won't be disappointed I promise..
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This my current shaving stack
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/RZ-MER-51.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/RB-AST-002.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/SC-PRO-001.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/SB-OME-6223.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/AS-THA-7006.jpg)
(http://a248.g.akamai.net/7/248/8278/20081014025941/www.sephora.com/assets/dyn/product/P225337/P225337_hero.jpg)
This is the best way to get a super close shave that leaves the skin healthy. The mach3 and all that other bullshit with 3+ razors snag at the skin and causes bumps and ingrown hairs and shit.
These blades are good for at least 3 shaves, but since they're $0.18 apiece, I only use them once or twice.
Also, it's a very enjoyable shave. You work a hot rich lather with the brush that smells real good and makes you feel like you're getting an oldschool barber shave. Throw on some 70's or earlier music, and you're set.
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I SHAVE QUITE OFTEN, GENERALLY EOD :D
USE GILETTE FUSION...THAT BLEW. TRIED SHICK 5, PRETTY GOOD. WILL GO WITH THAT ONE UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS A BETTER OPTION FOR ME.
GOT VERY SENSITIVE SKIN, CUTS EASILY, DON'T REACT WELL TO MUCH OILY PRODUCTS ON MY FACE.
i used to do that like 5 years ago... now i just buzz
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(http://behonestwithyourself.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Chainsaw-shave.jpeg)
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This^ . I switched to a Merkur double edge safety razor with Taylor of Old Bond Street shaving creme and the badger brush and never looked back. Best shave ever.
Taylor of Old Bond is fucking legit, probably my favorite. I rotate that with the prosaro and some rock and roll soap or some shit like that.
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This my current shaving stack
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/RZ-MER-51.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/RB-AST-002.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/SC-PRO-001.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/SB-OME-6223.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/AS-THA-7006.jpg)
(http://a248.g.akamai.net/7/248/8278/20081014025941/www.sephora.com/assets/dyn/product/P225337/P225337_hero.jpg)
This is the best way to get a super close shave that leaves the skin healthy. The mach3 and all that other bullshit with 3+ razors snag at the skin and causes bumps and ingrown hairs and shit.
These blades are good for at least 3 shaves, but since they're $0.18 apiece, I only use them once or twice.
Also, it's a very enjoyable shave. You work a hot rich lather with the brush that smells real good and makes you feel like you're getting an oldschool barber shave. Throw on some 70's or earlier music, and you're set.
Bravo!
To take it even further I got a Mr. Coffee,coffee Mug warmer and I put my lather mug on it to keep the lather warm. Try it..
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^^ I didn't post the entire stack I also use alum block and this:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/311WDPmxNmL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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you fuckin assholes make me want a DE razor again. off i go.. 8)
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THANKS BROS WILL USE THIS STUFF.
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This my current shaving stack
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/RZ-MER-51.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/RB-AST-002.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/SC-PRO-001.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/SB-OME-6223.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/AS-THA-7006.jpg)
(http://a248.g.akamai.net/7/248/8278/20081014025941/www.sephora.com/assets/dyn/product/P225337/P225337_hero.jpg)
This is the best way to get a super close shave that leaves the skin healthy. The mach3 and all that other bullshit with 3+ razors snag at the skin and causes bumps and ingrown hairs and shit.
These blades are good for at least 3 shaves, but since they're $0.18 apiece, I only use them once or twice.
Also, it's a very enjoyable shave. You work a hot rich lather with the brush that smells real good and makes you feel like you're getting an oldschool barber shave. Throw on some 70's or earlier music, and you're set.
Damn - that's some serious equipment! I just use Nivea sensitive shaving gel and a two-blade disposable followed by the Nivea post-shave balm afterwards. I get good results from that but I've always wanted to try the soap and brush thing.
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i dont use any kind of shaving cream or soap.. just hot water.. first go with the grain, then go against the grain...
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This my current shaving stack
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/RZ-MER-51.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/RB-AST-002.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/SC-PRO-001.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/SB-OME-6223.jpg)
(http://www.westcoastshaving.com/assets/images/AS-THA-7006.jpg)
(http://a248.g.akamai.net/7/248/8278/20081014025941/www.sephora.com/assets/dyn/product/P225337/P225337_hero.jpg)
This is the best way to get a super close shave that leaves the skin healthy. The mach3 and all that other bullshit with 3+ razors snag at the skin and causes bumps and ingrown hairs and shit.
These blades are good for at least 3 shaves, but since they're $0.18 apiece, I only use them once or twice.
Also, it's a very enjoyable shave. You work a hot rich lather with the brush that smells real good and makes you feel like you're getting an oldschool barber shave. Throw on some 70's or earlier music, and you're set.
this x 10
even dennis wolf does it
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/486507_10150681554825789_27939425788_9239722_50105356_n.jpg)
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I will chime on this non bodybuilding related topic because you must look good with a good physique!
Let me tell you shaving razors are a scam. I remember passing Costco the other day and saw Gillette razor pack, I think it was like 25 razor cartridges and it was like $50! What a scam that is. Costco is where I buy everything, but if that's cheap at Costco, imagine at some convenience store.
I have tried many different razors... Known crap like Gillette mach 3 and Braun electric foil razors. Garbage all of it!
My father gave me his razor, which was passed down to him. It's a double edge safety razor and is the best! But when I was young I tried all the crap anyway.
Electric was never good for me. It always irritates my neck making it red and itchy. I tried Phillips brand, those 3 headed rotary crap. Took longer than a wet shave because I had to keep checking to make sure I got all the hair. As I said above I tried Braun electric, different style, but not much better.
Gillette was never good. Had the mach 3 and the vibrating one as well. The blades went dull so fast. 3 blades, 5 blades, 50 blades, doesn't matter. They get dull fast, especially if you have thick or curly hair. More blades just got more hair clogged in between wasting more time to clean it out.
I tried many other manual and disposable razors. Yes they got a close shave, but dull fast. Every second shave or so I would get an ingrown hair or two. Pain in the ass when it's near the lip or on the jaw line.
Started using the old safety razor and never went back. Just let it glide a long your face and I do 2 passes with soap. Very nice and clean, no cuts, and I rarely get an ingrown hair anymore. I switch the blade after maybe 6 or 7 shaves.
I don't think you need any fancy aftershave or anything. Never used it, see no need. I only advocate shaving soap with a badger brush over some high price crap gel or foam.
hope this helps
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Shaving is for fags.
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How do you guys shave your heads eod do you have wireless clippers?
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Edge shaving gel and Sensor razor does it for me.
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I will chime on this non bodybuilding related topic because you must look good with a good physique!
Let me tell you shaving razors are a scam. I remember passing Costco the other day and saw Gillette razor pack, I think it was like 25 razor cartridges and it was like $50! What a scam that is. Costco is where I buy everything, but if that's cheap at Costco, imagine at some convenience store.
I have tried many different razors... Known crap like Gillette mach 3 and Braun electric foil razors. Garbage all of it!
My father gave me his razor, which was passed down to him. It's a double edge safety razor and is the best! But when I was young I tried all the crap anyway.
Electric was never good for me. It always irritates my neck making it red and itchy. I tried Phillips brand, those 3 headed rotary crap. Took longer than a wet shave because I had to keep checking to make sure I got all the hair. As I said above I tried Braun electric, different style, but not much better.
Gillette was never good. Had the mach 3 and the vibrating one as well. The blades went dull so fast. 3 blades, 5 blades, 50 blades, doesn't matter. They get dull fast, especially if you have thick or curly hair. More blades just got more hair clogged in between wasting more time to clean it out.
I tried many other manual and disposable razors. Yes they got a close shave, but dull fast. Every second shave or so I would get an ingrown hair or two. Pain in the ass when it's near the lip or on the jaw line.
Started using the old safety razor and never went back. Just let it glide a long your face and I do 2 passes with soap. Very nice and clean, no cuts, and I rarely get an ingrown hair anymore. I switch the blade after maybe 6 or 7 shaves.
I don't think you need any fancy aftershave or anything. Never used it, see no need. I only advocate shaving soap with a badger brush over some high price crap gel or foam.
hope this helps
yep, like most things... our grandfathers/fathers time was as good as it gets. well in this respect anyway..
not everything thats new/modern, is better, or even as good as what those fellas were using.
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How do you guys shave your heads eod do you have wireless clippers?
Face- good old sensor excel are the best.
Head- clippers on zero. Everytime I shave my head with a razor, I get red bumps and ingrown hairs.
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I use this bad boy. Closest thing to a barber shop shave. I had it for 2 years now and the blades are still as sharp as the day I bought it. Plus it comes with the flip out liner to do your sideburns and mustache.
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/ES8103S?t=overview
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too expensive
use those cheap plastic disposables once a week
pretty uncomfortable but beats pissing money down the drain
Same here.
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How do you guys shave your heads eod do you have wireless clippers?
speaking of electric this is the best on the market
(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/aiuaIHHIxNu1bQEcJRptxB5TyQbos877ugdywpnMlti2DUZiABr8_CwGuwSu7lKWkGOijWR3MxmWKBw7CYabQs537GHj7s0KbNsGFgOo9OjiLxOpnMOtSyaZP1CrWXMmLO36YhHtI9j7hD4dkeg)
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this x 10
even dennis wolf does it
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/486507_10150681554825789_27939425788_9239722_50105356_n.jpg)
probably uses this
(http://demandware.edgesuite.net/sits_na/dw/image/v2/AAFW_PRD/on/demandware.static/Sites-TAOS-Site/Sites-taos-master-catalog/default/v1332427712270/images/productimages/00670535670186.png?sw=388&sh=388)
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Mach 3 disposable/standard. They last for ever! The fusion shite blades are too close together and clog up.. All this "closer, smoother shave" bull shit is a way of getting you to use more blade. Mach 3, just 1 will last weeks and weeks! I even had them last months if you clean them and keep them clean! I naturally hairy and have thick strong hair.
As for Gel/Foam, pretty much anything that lathers really!
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(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5168A2ZARTL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
(http://images.mysupermarket.co.uk/ProductsDetailed/33/111033.jpg)
(http://imworld.aufeminin.com/dossiers/D20081205/nivea-after-shave-133042_L.jpg)
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Shaving is for fags.
Ok Willie Nelson
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probably uses this
(http://demandware.edgesuite.net/sits_na/dw/image/v2/AAFW_PRD/on/demandware.static/Sites-TAOS-Site/Sites-taos-master-catalog/default/v1332427712270/images/productimages/00670535670186.png?sw=388&sh=388)
beautiful razor..
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(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5168A2ZARTL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
(http://images.mysupermarket.co.uk/ProductsDetailed/33/111033.jpg)
(http://imworld.aufeminin.com/dossiers/D20081205/nivea-after-shave-133042_L.jpg)
that nivea after shave is the shit. I used it too
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I use a merkur futur DE razor. Cost $60 but worth every penny. The best cream is th c.o. bigelow cream at bath and body works which is actually rebranded pariaso cream.
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WENT MERKUR RAZOR, DERBY BLADES, PROSARO CREAM.
THX BROS.
:D
GOT FREE 2-DAY SHIPPING TOO. SHOULD BE HERE WEDNESDAY.
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WENT MERKUR RAZOR, DERBY BLADES, PROSARO CREAM.
THX BROS.
:D
GOT FREE 2-DAY SHIPPING TOO. SHOULD BE HERE WEDNESDAY.
welcome to the big leagues..enjoy it..
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welcome to the big leagues..enjoy it..
I PAID $62 WITH FREE SHIPPING FOR ABOUT 15 MONTHS WORTH OF STUFF. I GOT TWO PROSARO CREAMS SO I DONT HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER ORDER, AND 100 DERBY BLADES. I USE TO PAY ABOUT $25 EVERY OTHER MONTH FOR A NEW SET OF GILLETE FUSION OR MAC 3 OR SHICK 5.
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I PAID $62 WITH FREE SHIPPING FOR ABOUT 15 MONTHS WORTH OF STUFF. I GOT TWO PROSARO CREAMS SO I DONT HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER ORDER, AND 100 DERBY BLADES. I USE TO PAY ABOUT $25 EVERY OTHER MONTH FOR A NEW SET OF GILLETE FUSION OR MAC 3 OR SHICK 5.
roughly you saved 50% of what you used to spend. easy math there. If you have never used a double edge razor before let the weight of the razor do the work you don't have to press to your skin like the cartridge razors. Get a good shaving brush as well, you can start with a synthetic if you don't want to break in a badger brush, they stink at first but the smell washes out after time and they're the best. good luck..
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roughly you saved 50% of what you used to spend. easy math there. If you have never used a double edge razor before let the weight of the razor do the work you don't have to press to your skin like the cartridge razors. Get a good shaving brush as well, you can start with a synthetic if you don't want to break in a badger brush, they stink at first but the smell washes out after time and they're the best. good luck..
I HAVE A BADGER BRUSH. MY DAD GOT IT FOR ME IN SOME KIT HE GOT ME FOR BDAY WITH A 2 COLOGNES & AFTER SHAVE.
CAN I SHAVE IN THE SHOWER STILL WITH THIS STUFF?
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I HAVE A BADGER BRUSH. MY DAD GOT IT FOR ME IN SOME KIT HE GOT ME FOR BDAY WITH A 2 COLOGNES & AFTER SHAVE.
CAN I SHAVE IN THE SHOWER STILL WITH THIS STUFF?
Yeah, shaving in the shower is actually good cause the steam opens up pores and helps with a smoother shave. Dab a little shaving cream/soap (good stuff) on your wet face and work the lather with a brush directly on the face. Shave and finish showering then put after shave on.
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looks like you're good to go then and as for shaving with it in the shower, you sure can.
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I HAVE A BADGER BRUSH. MY DAD GOT IT FOR ME IN SOME KIT HE GOT ME FOR BDAY WITH A 2 COLOGNES & AFTER SHAVE.
CAN I SHAVE IN THE SHOWER STILL WITH THIS STUFF?
No. Take care of your brush
this forum will be of benefit to you
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/forum.php?s=ee51e22348bf289bc91d3fb986562510
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if you're shaving for the first time with a safety razor, then you might wanna watch a few vids on youtube for some tips on how to shave correctly. its different than your usual disposable shave so you have to learn new and better technique
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He has plenty of other good videos as well
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Yeah, shaving in the shower is actually good cause the steam opens up pores and helps with a smoother shave. Dab a little shaving cream/soap (good stuff) on your wet face and work the lather with a brush directly on the face. Shave and finish showering then put after shave on.
WORD.
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I was going to post a few vids as well but didn't want to come across as metro hahah! but since everyone else did this guy is pretty good with the tutorials.
I'm also getting into using a straight razor for my mustache. Currently I use the type you have to insert a half razor blade in.
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I was going to post a few vids as well but didn't want to come across as metro hahah! but since everyone else did this guy is pretty good with the tutorials.
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I'm also getting into using a straight razor for my mustache. Currently I use the type you have to insert a half razor blade in.
here is the video you tried to post
Was considering a straight razor too. No clue on how to learn it without slicing my throat.
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here is the video you tried to post
Was considering a straight razor too. No clue on how to learn it without slicing my throat.
thanks man fixed it. check out this samurai sword haha!
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thanks man fixed it. check out this samurai sword haha!
Are you black BIG DUB? I thought black dudes couldn't shave with a straight razor case of ingrown hairs? ???
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That looks awesome I would love to try that. I have the type of beard where it's really hard for me to shave with a regular razor. I get terrible bumps and ingrowns. Especially on my neck. I usually use a beard trimmer and just trim it down. It's such a pain in the ass though. It always comes out kind of uneven to. I might have to look into this.
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Are you black BIG DUB? I thought black dudes couldn't shave with a straight razor case of ingrown hairs? ???
never had a problem with it to be honest. Hair on my head is thick and curly, hair on my mustache is the same. now hair on my beard..steel fuking wool, and it grows so fast you can feel it coming out of your face..I used to do the clipper thing but it never got close enough, then the bic style razors tore my face up bad. Finally i found wet shaving and never looked back. Skin is perfect on my face, not one ingrown hair or razor burn.
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Does a DE razor like this one, http://www.westcoastshaving.com/Merkur-34C-Heavy-Duty-Safety-Razor_p_31.html , give a closer shave than the standard 3-5 blade mach 3? I hate shaving and if I could shave every 3 days instead of EOD that would be awesome.
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Are you black BIG DUB? I thought black dudes couldn't shave with a straight razor case of ingrown hairs? ???
actually black guys should only use straight or double edge razor. Pair it with a good razor bump product like skin tight or tend skin and your face will be razor bump free and smooth as a babys ass.
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actually black guys should only use straight or double edge razor. Pair it with a good razor bump product like skin tight or tend skin and your face will be razor bump free and smooth as a babys ass.
Oh. Didn't know that. So the black guys I see (no homo) with bumps and shit are because they are using the wrong shaving method?
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Does a DE razor like this one, http://www.westcoastshaving.com/Merkur-34C-Heavy-Duty-Safety-Razor_p_31.html , give a closer shave than the standard 3-5 blade mach 3? I hate shaving and if I could shave every 3 days instead of EOD that would be awesome.
Wait. You shave every other day? That sucks, I have to shave every fucking day.
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Oh. Didn't know that. So the black guys I see (no homo) with bumps and shit are because they are using the wrong shaving method?
possibly, just depends on what your skin is like. I use the 3 pass method. with, across and against the grain with no problems. I couldn't do that with the disposable type razors.
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My stack plus some vintage razors I picked up. I like feather blades the best
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big ladys and 1$ can of fillete ni big can and use short strokes and run razer under tap works great for balls too
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My stack plus some vintage razors I picked up. I like feather blades the best
feathers are the best blades but expensive. the astras in my opinion are the best bang for the buck second to feathers.
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feathers are the best blades but expensive. the astras in my opinion are the best bang for the buck second to feathers.
Ordered that brush you linked too. Hope it is worth it.
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feathers are the best blades but expensive. the astras in my opinion are the best bang for the buck second to feathers.
it's all relative. 50 blades for $22 is more expensive than Astras but still cheap overall. Compare that to cartridge blades
http://www.amazon.com/Feather-Hi-Stainless-Platimum-Double-Blades/dp/B0022R947O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1332736284&sr=8-3
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Ordered that brush you linked too. Hope it is worth it.
Remember that you have to wash it a few times with shampoo and conditioner to get the badger smell out of it. If not and you just go and use it, your face will smell like a wet animal no matter how many times you wash your face with soap. After you break it in your'e good to go..
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Remember that you have to wash it a few times with shampoo and conditioner to get the badger smell out of it. If not and you just go and use it, your face will smell like a wet animal no matter how many times you wash your face with soap. After you break it in your'e good to go..
LOL!
a lot of good interesting info in this thread. im switching over tomorrow and am going to give it a try..
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feathers are the best blades but expensive. the astras in my opinion are the best bang for the buck second to feathers.
I didn't like the feathers. I love the Astras, and at $0.18 apiece, you can't beat it.
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a lot of good interesting info in this thread. im switching over tomorrow and am going to give it a try..
you will never look back :)