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For those who aren't familiar, this was the documented training of Casey Viator and Arthur Jones during May of 1973 using high intensity principles at CSU. I just came across these pics so I'd thought I'd share.
Viator was trained by Arthur Jones after a set back (I believe a car accident) and supposedly gained a staggering 63 lbs of muscle in 28 days. The pictures are remarkable, but I still have a hard time believing the figures.
before:
(http://dnj23.onesite.com/images/aau.jpg)
after:
after:
(http://dnj23.onesite.com/images/aav.jpg)
RESULTS . .
First subject (Casey Viator), 28 days
Increase in bodyweight........45.28 pounds
Loss of bodyfat..............17. 93 pounds
Muscular gain.................63. 21 pounds
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what the heck wer they doing????
davie
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he had already been that size, in the experiment he was just returning to what he was before. muscle memory, levrone did it every year ::)
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I read a lot of that stuff......
it was interesting to say the least....don't think I would every apply any of it though
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I think you can attribute a lot to that he had already been at 220 pounds and at his starting weight he was very much below what he usually was. Couple that with intense amounts of food and some training and caseys insane genetics its possible the weight gain at least
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Here is one account on how Jones trained Viator from Ellington Darden's web site:
At approximately 9 o'clock on the night of June 10, 1971, Viator did 13 repetitions in the squat with a 500-pound barbell. None of his reps were half squats. They were all ass-to-heels, full squats – performed after he pre-exhausted with 750 pounds on the leg press for 20 reps, followed by 225 pounds on the leg extension for another 20 reps . . . with no rest between the exercises.
That's right, Jones pushed Viator through a double pre-exhaustion cycle: leg press, leg extension, and squat, performed back-to-back-to-back . . . with very heavy weights, in good form, for maximum repetitions . . . which was the ultimate in HIGH INTENSITY.
I had never seen anything like this leg cycle. Can you imagine squatting with a 500-pound barbell 13 times . . . after pre-exhausting your thighs?
Jones was on the left side of Viator encouraging him – or I should say shouting at him: "Slow down. Hold your head up. Keep going. Don't quit. Think about that big redhead's thighs. Goddamn it, Casey, get three more. Breathe deeply. Now . . . one more."
It worked. Viator exceeded Jones's expectations. His heart rate must have been more than 220 beats per minute for at least 2 minutes. I'd never envisioned such intensity – ever.
Early in 2005, I interviewed Casey for my latest book, The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results, and he remembered that workout well (it would be difficult to forget). "I planned to hold back a little on those squats because I knew I had a bunch more stuff to do, but with 500 pounds on my back and the adrenalin flowing, all I could do was think 'Get 10 reps.' I was really surprised when I got 12 and couldn't believe I made 13. I knew then that the workout was going to be a real bitch."
A real bitch it was. From my 45 years of training experience, that three-exercise leg cycle was the most demanding and impressive series that I've ever seen.
Jones talked about it later and stated that . . . "Paul Anderson (who, at one time, was considered the world's strongest man), in his best condition, could have duplicated Viator's leg cycle. But to do so, he'd had to have an injection of Novocain in each thigh to combat the pain. Furthermore, if Anderson had survived this feat, he'd have probably died afterward."
Viator not only performed that cycle in championship style, but after a two-minute rest and some water, he continued his workout. His next-to-last movement, in his 15-exercise routine, was the triceps extension performed on the Nautilus Combination Biceps/Triceps Machine.
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Viator is a badass
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the paul anderson comment is total bullshit. anderson could squat 800 like it was nothing.
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Would muscle memory and roids assist in producing that same result?
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If for nothing more than the sheer volume of cutting edge information and
experimentation, I was always entertained by Jones and his newvations (my
term).
Over a period of numerous issues, Iron Man, an iron bible of anything and
everything under the blue metal sun, carried the Jones banner. I had once vowed to myself to read everything word in Iron Man, including Jones and the experiment.
But I broke my promise when my brain just couldn't take any more. The finute
details eventually drove me to...Hoffman's Proteen of The Sea. I never did really determine which Hoffman's proteen I liked best.
I think the one he never made.
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the paul anderson comment is total bullshit. anderson could squat 800 like it was nothing.
Diesel is right on the money.
There has never been and there may never be again a human who could do ( with weight on his back ) what Paul could. There are pics of him squating 1200 lbs, with no wraps. It was unofficial because he did not do it in a meet. But, they were without question as good as anything ever whitnessed.
For those who aren't familiar, this was the documented training of Casey Viator and Arthur Jones during May of 1973 using high intensity principles at CSU. I just came across these pics so I'd thought I'd share.
Viator was trained by Arthur Jones after a set back (I believe a car accident) and supposedly gained a staggering 63 lbs of muscle in 28 days. The pictures are remarkable, but I still have a hard time believing the figures.
before:
(http://dnj23.onesite.com/images/aau.jpg)
after:
after:
(http://dnj23.onesite.com/images/aav.jpg)
And I think Casey was down, not due to a car accident, but the loss of a finger in an industrial accident ( oil rig, was it? )
Beef
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I would be interested in seeing the photos of Anderson squatting with 1,200 lbs. Is this a reference to his $15,000 Mapes Hotel Challenge, or some other incident?
The newspaper accounts at the time of the Mapes fortnight performance indicated the Silver Dollar barbell weighed around 900 lbs.
I have seen the photo of Paul standing, supporting a huge, wheeled, makeshift barbell, but his legs are not bent.
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More on the Colorado Experiment from Dave Drapers site:
http://www.davedraper.com/forum/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/109714/page/64/vc/1
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I would be interested in seeing the photos of Anderson squatting with 1,200 lbs. Is this a reference to his $15,000 Mapes Hotel Challenge, or some other incident?
The newspaper accounts at the time of the Mapes fortnight performance indicated the Silver Dollar barbell weighed around 900 lbs.
I have seen the photo of Paul standing, supporting a huge, wheeled, makeshift barbell, but his legs are not bent.
They were in an early copy of Muscle Mag International.
And for the record Joe, do you have any dought that Paul was the strongest squater of all time?
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Diesel is right on the money.
There has never been and there may never be again a human who could do ( with weight on his back ) what Paul could. There are pics of him squating 1200 lbs, with no wraps. It was unofficial because he did not do it in a meet. But, they were without question as good as anything ever whitnessed.
Beef
I've posted this photo before, but I couldn't resist:
Paul Verderosa, aka "ZAZU", competed against Paul Anderson and was his good friend
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Now that last picture is awesome. That is hardcore and that is what was fun back in the day.
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That's a beautyful pic. I love it.
The Beef
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There's a thread I started on this very guy awhile back with some cool stories about him. It's still on page 2 of this board (see "Paul "ZAZU" Bruno from Mid-City Gym, NYC...").
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Thanks, Bro.
The Beef
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Killer photo. I'm not sure I'd trust those small horizonal rods on that power rack, to hold that weight. :)
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Does anyone on here know the story about the pint or so of blood they had of Casey Viators and how steroids were put into the blood and a couple days before a contest they put the blood back into Casey through I think an IV.
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Does anyone on here know the story about the pint or so of blood they had of Casey Viators and how steroids were put into the blood and a couple days before a contest they put the blood back into Casey through I think an IV.
No....but thats blood doping for ya
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has there ever been a really detailed description of what was done during this experiment? Day by day breakdown, etc....I know Viator was paid for this, I think he got a bonus for every pound he gained and all that so I wonder what he ate, what his training was like...it would be a great read.
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they got an article on t-nation how jones trained viator for the 71 Mr. America:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=A81F596E8288156BF6CEBB5AC7DCC537.hydra?id=1006026 (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=A81F596E8288156BF6CEBB5AC7DCC537.hydra?id=1006026)
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they got an article on t-nation how jones trained viator for the 71 Mr. America:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=A81F596E8288156BF6CEBB5AC7DCC537.hydra?id=1006026 (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=A81F596E8288156BF6CEBB5AC7DCC537.hydra?id=1006026)
wow...what an awsome read. If that is true, and I believe it is, that is the most awe inspiring workout ever...man, I'm gonna search high and low to find more stuff on this...
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Awesome article, would love to read the hole workout. i couldnt do that 1 set thing i mean i try lifting as heavy as i can but stop just b4 failure, but after couple mins im ok to go for next set,so to truly fail id have to have sum ther helping me with negatives etc.
davie
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Awesome article, would love to read the hole workout. i couldnt do that 1 set thing i mean i try lifting as heavy as i can but stop just b4 failure, but after couple mins im ok to go for next set,so to truly fail id have to have sum ther helping me with negatives etc.
davie
try rest pausing, this works...you can do it either the Metzer way which is max weight for 1 rep, do the rep..rest 10 secs, do another rep, rest 10 secs...when you fail reduce the weight by I think 10% and start over, then reduce the weight again when you fail etc..I think that's how it goes..or you could just do the old DC training, that can be pretty brutal.
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So u only do one rep at a time until u cant do anymre.How many times do u re-due the weight. Has this been used with any success?
davie
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So u only do one rep at a time until u cant do anymre.How many times do u re-due the weight. Has this been used with any success?
davie
well I think you work with you're max 1 rep weight so you should do a rep, rack it rest 10 secs, rep and rack it..I think you'll only get 3 or 4 reps then drop the weight 10% and repeat until you fail...I have not read it in along time...I'll try ot go over it tonight but I think you go until you can't go anymore. I did it along time ago and I got strong as hell but it's brutal and you have to worry about overtraining.
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Was it just gains in strength u received?? Take it a partner etc is a must, and did u do this for al body parts,exercises??
davie
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I had 2 partners, did it mostly on chest movements cause my chest sucks..it's very very hard. I got alot stronger and put on some mass..the thing is it will burn you out really fast...be careful.
There is a book by John Little about Mike Metzer that just came out last year I think where he talks about alot of his intesity technique's, stuff like rest pause, omni reps etc. It's very interesting.
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Does anyone on here know the story about the pint or so of blood they had of Casey Viators and how steroids were put into the blood and a couple days before a contest they put the blood back into Casey through I think an IV.
Never heard that one Only but I did here th one about Viator busting a gut while squatting and using some duct tape to hold his intestines in while he drove himself to the hospital. Ive read a lot of bits and pieces about Casey over the years. The guy is an absolute genetic freak on or off the juice. I would love to see some pictures of him today, I cant find any current ones.
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Yes he was a crazy nut. Pete told me the story about Casey and the blood and IV thing.. One day when I am with Pete I willget him on here. I will have to type everything though.
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Never heard that one Only but I did here th one about Viator busting a gut while squatting and using some duct tape to hold his intestines in while he drove himself to the hospital. Ive read a lot of bits and pieces about Casey over the years. The guy is an absolute genetic freak on or off the juice. I would love to see some pictures of him today, I cant find any current ones.
FWIW, I last saw Casey in 1998 in Las Vegas. It was mid-July, mid-day and I was walking to Ceasars. Casey was standing on the sidewalk near the Las Vegas Blvd entrance to Ceasars. He was wearing jeans, a sweatshirt and a black leather jacket. It was between 114-116 degrese out and he was sweating like a convict on verdict day. His toupee was totally F'ed up and he looked like a lunatic.
That was almost 10 years ago, so I hope he was just having a bad day.
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;D article bring back of the month.