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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #525 on: October 03, 2019, 06:09:14 AM »
Trump asked the Pres. of Ukraine to investigate the Biden's.

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #526 on: October 03, 2019, 07:54:55 AM »
I think you're getting "lost in weeds" on this simple direct issue.
Trump asked the Pres. of Ukraine to investigate the Biden's.
Joe Biden is a top political rival for Trump.
Plus, after the UK President brought up buying US javlin missles , Trump said ;

" I'd like you to me a favor, though."

This act alone ,is a clear violation of US law and the constitution.


Stop lying. 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #527 on: October 03, 2019, 10:08:22 AM »
Huh? the transcript shows he actually said that.

No it’s not.

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #529 on: October 03, 2019, 09:45:58 PM »
Huh? the transcript shows he actually said that.

No it doesn't.  Quote it.  In context. 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #530 on: October 03, 2019, 09:53:03 PM »
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179962400554008576?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


BREAKING: The Democrat whistleblower who complained about Trump digging up dirt in Ukraine was himself helping dig up dirt in Ukraine against Trump (and Manafort) while working in the Obama White House during 2016 campaign.





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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #531 on: October 04, 2019, 01:39:28 PM »
Is a Paul Sperry Twitter post considered a relaible news source?  ??? ??? ???

Paul E. Sperry is an American conservative author and political commentator. He was a media fellow at the Hoover Institution, a public policy think tank.

Where do you think you're going to hear about something like this?  CNN?? 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #532 on: October 04, 2019, 05:53:51 PM »

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« Reply #533 on: October 04, 2019, 06:17:52 PM »
Anywhere other than from a Twitter crackpot, might do.

What exactly do you know about Paul Sperry? 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #534 on: October 04, 2019, 06:26:27 PM »
Pundit, author, investigative journalist. Notable works. Muslim Mafia; Infiltration; Crude Politics. Paul E. Sperry is an American conservative author and political commentator. He was a media fellow at the Hoover Institution, a public policy think tank.

I know he is someone whose political point of view differs from mine. 

So all you know is a few lines you pulled off the internet and that he might think differently than you.  And because of that he's a "Twitter crackpot."  Intolerant much?

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #535 on: October 04, 2019, 06:46:58 PM »
Yes, this is all I know and it's enough for me. If this makes me intolerant, so be it.

He is a Twitter crackpot, in my opinion....This is based on having read several of his Twitter posts. Why don't you share what you think of this fellow. Surely, you regard him highly as he speaks your 'language'.

I don't know enough about him to have opinion.  I like to get facts first, then form an opinion.  I can also tolerate people who think differently than me.  You should try it. 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #536 on: October 04, 2019, 07:01:15 PM »
There's quite a difference between tolerating people and agreeing with them. I happen to not agree with the opinions he posts and comments he makes. I never said he doesn't have the right to an opinion....that would be intolerant.

Yeah all two of his Twitter posts that you read.  After which you called him a crackpot because he has a different political viewpoint than you.  That is intolerant. 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #537 on: October 04, 2019, 07:56:18 PM »
None of the stuff he scooped on twitter yesterday has been disputed by anyone today. Wonder why?

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #538 on: October 08, 2019, 01:17:29 PM »
Does someone want to take a stab at identifying:

1.  What is the precise impeachable offense President Trump has committed?

2.  What is the evidence supporting that impeachable offense?

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« Reply #539 on: October 08, 2019, 01:30:42 PM »
No. Because you wouldn't agree with this anyway.

What Trump has going for him, is that people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. It's a shame that Trump protests like someone who is guilty would. -Much too loudly.

In other words, you have no idea.  But thanks for playing.   :)

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #540 on: October 08, 2019, 02:00:09 PM »
True. But then, neither do you.  ;)

I'm not the one saying there is an impeachable offense, so what you said is nonsensical. 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #541 on: October 08, 2019, 02:14:31 PM »
Neither am I saying Trumps phone conversation with Zelensky was an impeachable offense, because this remains to be seen. The possibility that it was exists or it wouldn't have triggered an investigation.

You're not saying anything.  Nothing remains to be seen about the phone call.  We have the transcript.  What I'm trying to get from you or anyone else who is willing to weigh in is:

1.  What is the impeachable offense?

2.  What is the evidence in support of that impeachable offense? 

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« Reply #542 on: October 08, 2019, 04:00:51 PM »
So a Democrat whistleblower is going to use hearsay information to explain what happened on a phone call where the official transcript has already been released to the public?

Democrats = the Party of stupidity and hypocrisy.

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #543 on: October 08, 2019, 04:06:10 PM »
So a Democrat whistleblower is going to use hearsay information to explain what happened on a phone call where the official transcript has already been released to the public?

Democrats = the Party of stupidity and hypocrisy.

I am listening to this stuff and saying:  Y'all gon' make me lose my mind . . . .

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #544 on: October 08, 2019, 04:10:09 PM »
White House announces it will not comply with 'illegitimate and unconstitutional' impeachment inquiry
By Gregg Re, John Roberts | Fox News

The State Department blocks Amb. Gordon Sondland from testifying in the House impeachment inquiry; reaction and analysis from David Catanese, senior politics writer for US News & World Report, and Fox News contributor Judy Miller, adjunct fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.

The White House outlined in a defiant eight-page letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and top Democrats on Tuesday why it will not participate in their “illegitimate and unconstitutional” impeachment inquiry, charging that the proceedings have run roughshod over congressional norms and the president's due-process rights.

Trump administration officials called the letter, which was written by White House counsel Pat Cipollone and obtained by Fox News, perhaps the most historic letter the White House has sent. The document tees up a head-on collision with Democrats in Congress, who have fired off a slew of subpoenas in recent days concerning the president's alleged effort to get Ukraine to investigate political foe Joe Biden during a July phone call with Ukraine's leader.

"President Trump and his administration reject your baseless, unconstitutional efforts to overturn the democratic process," the letter stated. "Your unprecedented actions have left the president with no choice. In order to fulfill his duties to the American people, the Constitution, the Executive Branch, and all future occupants of the Office of the Presidency, President Trump and his administration cannot participate in your partisan and unconstitutional inquiry under these circumstances."

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The document concluded: "The president has a country to lead. The American people elected him to do this job, and he remains focused on fulfilling his promises to the American people."

Substantively, the White House first noted in the letter that there has not been a formal vote in the House to open an impeachment inquiry -- and that the news conference held by Pelosi last month was insufficient to commence the proceedings.

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"In the history of our nation, the House of Representatives has never attempted to launch an impeachment inquiry against the president without a majority of the House taking political accountability for that decision by voting to authorize such a dramatic constitutional step," the letter stated.

It continued: "Without waiting to see what was actually said on the call, a press conference was held announcing an 'impeachment inquiry' based on falsehoods and misinformation about the call."

SCHIFF SAYS 'WE' DIDN'T TALK TO WHISTLEBLOWER -- THEN BACKTRACKS

Despite Pelosi's claim that there was no “House precedent that the whole House vote before proceeding with an impeachment inquiry,” several previous impeachment inquiries have been launched only by a full vote of the House -- including the impeachment proceedings concerning former Presidents Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.

White House officials told Fox News the vote opening the proceedings was a small ask, considering the implications of potentially overturning a national election.

The letter went on to note that "information has recently come to light that the whistleblower" who first flagged Trump's call with Ukraine's president "had contact with [House Intelligence Committee] Chairman [Adam] Schiff's office before filing the complaint."

And Schiff's "initial denial of such contact caused The Washington Post to conclude that Chairman Schiff "clearly made a statement that was false," the letter observed.

Multiple reports surfaced this week that the whistleblower had a prior "professional relationship" with one of the 2020 Democratic candidates for president. On Friday, lawyers for the whistleblower did not respond to questions from Fox News about the whistleblower's possible previous relationship with any currently prominent Democrat.

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The letter added: "In any event, the American people understand that Chairman Schiff cannot covertly assist with the submission of a complaint, mislead the public about his involvement, read a counterfeit version of the call to the American people, and then pretend to sit in judgment as a neutral 'investigator.'"

The White House was dinging Schiff for reciting a fictional version of Trump's call with Ukraine's leader during a congressional hearing. Schiff later called his statements a "parody."

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"Perhaps the best evidence that there was no wrongdoing on the call is the fact that, after the actual record of the call was released, Chairman Schiff chose to concoct a false version of the call and to read his made-up transcript to the American people at a public hearing," the letter stated. "The chairman's action only further undermines the public's confidence in the fairness of any inquiry before his committee."

Ukraine's president has said he felt Trump did nothing improper in their July call, and DOJ lawyers who reviewed the call said they found no laws had been broken. The White House released a transcript of the conversation last month, as well as the whistleblower's complaint, which seemingly relied entirely on second-hand information.

Separately, the letter asserted multiple alleged violations of the president's due-process rights. It noted that under current impeachment inquiry proceedings, Democrats were not allowing presidential or State Department counsel to be present.

Democrats' procedures did not provide for the "disclosure of all evidence favorable to the president and all evidence bearing on the credibility of witnesses called to testify in the inquiry," the letter noted, nor did the procedures afford the president "the right to see all evidence, to present evidence, to call witnesses, to have counsel present at all hearings, to cross-examine all witnesses, to make objections relating to the examination of witnesses or the admissibility of testimony and evidence, and to respond to evidence and testimony."

Democrats also have not permitted Republicans in the minority to issue subpoenas, contradicting the "standard, bipartisan practice in all recent resolutions authorizing presidential impeachment inquiries."

"President Trump and his Administration cannot participate in your partisan and unconstitutional inquiry under these circumstances."

— Pat Cipollone, counsel to President Trump
The letter claimed that House committees have "resorted to threats and intimidation against potential Executive Branch witnesses," by raising the specter of obstruction of justice when administration employees seek to assert "long-established Executive Branch confidentiality interests and privileges in response to a request for a deposition."

"Current and former State Department officials are duty bound to protect the confidentiality interests of the Executive Branch, and the Office of Legal Counsel has also recognized that it is unconstitutional to exclude agency counsel from participating in congressional depositions," the letter stated.

EXCLUSIVE: WHISTLEBLOWER WRITES WH OFFICIAL DESCRIBED TRUMP CALL AS 'FRIGHTENING'

Additionally, the letter noted that Democrats reportedly were planning to interview the whistleblower at the center of the impeachment inquiry at an undisclosed location -- contrary, the White House said, to the constitutional notion of being able to confront one's accuser.

According to a White House official, the bottom line was: "We are not participating in your illegitimate exercise. ... If you are legitimately conducting oversight, let us know. But all indications are this is about impeachment."

The document came as the White House aggressively has parried Democrats' inquiry efforts. One of the administration's first moves: the State Department on Tuesday barred Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, from appearing before a House panel conducting the probe into Trump.

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 I would love to send Ambassador Sondland, a really good man and great American, to testify, but unfortunately he would be testifying before a totally compromised kangaroo court, where Republican’s rights have been taken away, and true facts are not allowed out for the public....


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....to see. Importantly, Ambassador Sondland’s tweet, which few report, stated, “I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind.” That says it ALL!

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"I would love to send Ambassador Sondland, a really good man and great American, to testify, but unfortunately he would be testifying before a totally compromised kangaroo court, where Republican's rights have been taken away, and true facts are not allowed out for the public to see," Trump tweeted.

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The strategy risked further provoking Democrats in the impeachment probe, setting up court challenges and the potential for lawmakers to draw up an article of impeachment accusing Trump of obstructing their investigations. Schiff said Sondland's no-show would be grounds for obstruction of justice and could give a preview of what some of the articles of impeachment against Trump would entail.

But, as lawmakers sought to amass ammunition to be used in an impeachment trial, the White House increasingly has signaled that all-out warfare was its best course of action.

"What they did to this country is unthinkable. It's lucky that I'm the president. A lot of people said very few people could handle it. I sort of thrive on it," Trump said Monday at the White House. "You can't impeach a president for doing a great job. This is a scam."

House Democrats, for their part, issued a new round of subpoenas on Monday, this time to Defense Secretary Mark Esper and acting White House budget director Russell Vought. Pelosi's office also released an open letter signed by 90 former national security officials who served in administrations from both parties, voicing support for the whistleblower who raised concerns about Trump's efforts to get Ukraine to look into Biden's business dealings in Ukraine.

Speaker Pelosi signals support for Jerry Nadler's resolution on impeachment proceedingsVideo
"A responsible whistleblower makes all Americans safer by ensuring that serious wrongdoing can be investigated and addressed, thus advancing the cause of national security to which we have devoted our careers," they wrote. "Whatever one's view of the matters discussed in the whistleblower's complaint, all Americans should be united in demanding that all branches of our government and all outlets of our media protect this whistleblower and his or her identity. Simply put, he or she has done what our law demands; now he or she deserves our protection."

The House Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs Committees were investigating Trump's actions alleging he pressured Ukraine to investigate Biden and his son, potentially interfering in the 2020 election. The former vice president, for his part, has accused Trump of "frantically pushing flat-out lies, debunked conspiracy theories and smears against me." And, Biden's campaign has sought to have Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, who has accused Biden of possible corruption, removed from the airwaves.

PROOF OF LINKS: PHOTO OBTAINED BY FOX NEWS SHOWS BIDEN GOLFING WITH UKRAINE EXEC

Biden has acknowledged on camera that in spring 2016, when he was vice president and spearheading the Obama administration's Ukraine policy, he successfully pressured Ukraine to fire top prosecutor Viktor Shokin. At the time, Shokin was investigating Burisma Holdings — where Hunter had a lucrative role on the board despite limited relevant expertise. Critics have suggested Hunter Biden's salary bought access to Biden.

The vice president threatened to withhold $1 billion in critical U.S. aid if Shokin, who was widely accused of corruption, was not fired.

"Well, son of a b---h, he got fired," Biden joked at a panel two years after leaving office.

Fox News' Catherine Herridge and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/impeachment-inquiry-white-house-not-comply-pelosi

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #545 on: October 09, 2019, 04:05:19 PM »
Joe Biden Calls For President Trump To Be Impeached
“Donald Trump has violated his oath of office, betrayed this nation and committed impeachable acts,” the 2020 Democrat said in New Hampshire Wednesday.
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Former Vice President Joe Biden on Wednesday echoed the calls of rivals in the Democratic presidential primary and called for the impeachment of President Donald Trump.

“We all laughed when he said he could stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and get away with it,” Biden told an audience in Rochester, New Hampshire. “No joke! He’s shooting holes in the Constitution and we cannot let him get away with it.”

“Donald Trump has violated his oath of office, betrayed this nation and committed impeachable acts. ... He should be impeached,” the 2020 Democratic contender added.

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“The United States cannot have a president who will abuse whatever power he has available to him in order to get reelected,” Biden continued, adding later, “His lying is matched only by his manifest incompetence as president.”

In April, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) was the first Democratic candidate to call for Trump’s impeachment, based on conclusions made by former special counsel Robert Mueller in his report on Russian influence in the 2016 election and whether Trump obstructed justice.

Trump is under fire for having pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to open an investigation into Biden, whose son Hunter has had business dealings in the country. Trump had, at the time, suspended military aid to Ukraine.

“There’s no truth in his charges against me and my son,” Biden said Wednesday. “Zero.”

Two separate whistleblowers allege Trump first made the request in a July 25 phone call. The call summary shows the U.S. president asked Zelensky to “do us a favor though” immediately after discussing military aid for his country.

Trump has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, even as he openly called on China to investigate Biden as well.

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #546 on: October 09, 2019, 04:16:07 PM »
Seat getting hot "Uncle Joe"?

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #547 on: October 10, 2019, 11:42:13 AM »
Seat getting hot "Uncle Joe"?

Yes, that's what I'm gathering from the latest news. Joe Bidens own allies and lap dogs are coming out criticizing his surprise decision to abandon the Kurds against almost all of his advisers and most Republican congressional members advice and with the latest FOX poll showing the majority of the country want to proceed with the impeachment hearings I think Biden is losing his mind.  :)

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #548 on: October 10, 2019, 01:44:15 PM »
Everybody knows the outcome in the senate. Not sure why it still goes on.

You have people selling their office for millions of dollars, admitting said fraud and collusion on video, fixing elections, govt agencies hiring spies from other countries to sabotage political opponents...and mass media covers a phone call 24/7.

If they would actually find a way to remove this president, I'm prepared for when the entirety of the US economy goes on a 50% off sale. The amount of money that would be pulled from the market in one day alone would be breathtaking. Maybe even bank runs would occur....hint, there is no paper cash to cover that in existence.

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #549 on: October 10, 2019, 02:45:28 PM »
Documented proof now of a $900,000 payment to Joe Biden through a shell company while he was VP under Obama