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[Lustral]

Sounds to me like parents need to put their kids to bed earlier.

8.50am start, like I had, means 11pm bed gives you 8 hours to 7.am or so. That is/was fair enough given good TV is on late. Kids now have smartphones, teh broadbands and teh internets no fuck knows how late they are up liking people's photos, sending snapchats and sharing selfies while watching porn and execution videos.

[SF1900]

Sounds to me like parents need to put their kids to bed earlier.

lol at trying to put a 16-17 year old teen to bed early.

Maybe they should also read them a bedtime story and give them a bottle of milk.  

[SF1900]

8.50am start, like I had, means 11pm bed gives you 8 hours to 7.am or so. That is/was fair enough given good TV is on late. Kids now have smartphones, teh broadbands and teh internets no fuck knows how late they are up liking people's photos, sending snapchats and sharing selfies while watching porn and execution videos.

During my teenage years I did not have smartphones, internet, cell phones, and I was not going to bed between 10-11. None of my friends were either.

[SF1900]

The 8.55am study was posted after I posted dickbreath.

You look slightly higher above.

Like I said, we had 8.50am start time which was reasonable, I can see anything up to 10am as reasonable. Beyond that and you give too much leeway for hijinx. It was a cu nt for me adapting back to school routine after summer or Christmas holidays cos of being a night owl but it is what it is. I have to be up early for a big pay day tomorrow morning and it is 2am here... can't sleep so why try.

You stated, "I have seen all that research and it completely fits - I was and still am a night owl."

So, you agree that melatonin decreases in the teenage years, thus making it much more difficult for teens to go to sleep, independent of smartphones, tablets, and internet. And you're still arguing lol. You can't go to sleep if melatonin is not present. Its a biological fact.

But I do agree that artificial light may make them go to bed much later, than if they didn't have this; however, they would still be going to bed much later. It poses a problem when some school starts at 7:15am.

[Lustral]

You stated, "I have seen all that research and it completely fits - I was and still am a night owl."

So, you agree that melatonin decreases in the teenage years, thus making it much more difficult for teens to go to sleep, independent of smartphones, tablets, and internet. And you're still arguing lol. You can't go to sleep if melatonin is not present. Its a biological fact.

But I do agree that artificial light may make them go to bed much later, than if they didn't have this; however, they would still be going to bed much later. It poses a problem when some school starts at 7:15am.

OK, let me state it thusly:

I am a night owl, and especially as a teen I was. However, our start times were 8.50am... I remember trying to wake at 5am to run for a while and I could not adjust my night routine no matter how I tried (felt like shit all day, dozy and took way less info in). 7am ish awakening meant anywhere from 6-8 hours was possible and enough (I lived 5 - 10 mins from school).

It pisses me off no end that melatonin as a supplement has been banned OTC here. No fuck ing reason except maybe to protect sales of ambien. Totally unfounded.

As for distractions, come on - they have to be a big part now, esp given the blue light of screens and LED lighting. That is completely contrary to sleeping seeing light that imitates daylight.

[SF1900]

OK, let me state it thusly:

I am a night owl, and especially as a teen I was. However, our start times were 8.50am... I remember trying to wake at 5am to run for a while and I could not adjust my night routine no matter how I tried (felt like shit all day, dozy and took way less info in). 7am ish awakening meant anywhere from 6-8 hours was possible and enough (I lived 5 - 10 mins from school).

It pisses me off no end that melatonin as a supplement has been banned OTC here. No fuck ing reason except maybe to protect sales of ambien. Totally unfounded.

As for distractions, come on - they have to be a big part now, esp given the blue light of screens and LED lighting. That is completely contrary to sleeping seeing light that imitates daylight.

Take into consideration that many high school students in major cities take the bus and train to school. So, if you start at 7:35am, you have to be up by 5:00am. And if you go to bed between 11-12, thats 5-6 hours of sleep, assuming you sleep through the WHOLE night--many people do not. For many students, there schools are not across the street. I had to take a 15 minute bus ride to school on the NYC bus, and that was considered close.

Yes, artificial light is distracting, no doubt about that. However, a 7:35 start time is too early. Again, youre not taken into consideration getting up, brushing teeth, eating breakfast, then driving or taking transportation to school. Some of these kids then have to be up at 5:00am, perhaps earlier. Its okay if school starts at 7:30am and you live right across the street. For many, that is not the case.

[240 is Back]

Can you post the links to these double blind studies and their placebos?

I read on the getbigs that no high schools or universities ever use study findings to help influence their policy.

Not one.  Ever.

[chaos]

lol at trying to put a 16-17 year old teen to bed early.

Maybe they should also read them a bedtime story and give them a bottle of milk.  

Worked for your parents.

[SF1900]

Worked for your parents.

lolz. My favorite story at 17 years old was "The Three Bears."

[chaos]

lolz. My favorite story at 17 years old was "The Three Bears."

Mine was Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

[Lustral]

Take into consideration that many high school students in major cities take the bus and train to school. So, if you start at 7:35am, you have to be up by 5:00am. And if you go to bed between 11-12, thats 5-6 hours of sleep, assuming you sleep through the WHOLE night--many people do not. For many students, there schools are not across the street. I had to take a 15 minute bus ride to school on the NYC bus, and that was considered close.

Yes, artificial light is distracting, no doubt about that. However, a 7:35 start time is too early. Again, youre not taken into consideration getting up, brushing teeth, eating breakfast, then driving or taking transportation to school. Some of these kids then have to be up at 5:00am, perhaps earlier. Its okay if school starts at 7:30am and you live right across the street. For many, that is not the case.

Hey i was basing my original statement on when i got up. Not the crazy 7am starts. My canuck cousins started school at 7am or 6.30am and i laughed at their pain.

One kid in my class had a 3-4 hour round trip to school (a friend actually) and the poor bastard also had a fear of pissing/going to toilet in public toilets so for six years he didnt piss or shit between 6am and 7pm or so 5 days a week. He was also always tired. Unsurprisingly.

[Coach is Back!]

This HS has a Zero period that starts at 7 and then first period that starts at 8. Monday's are late starts and I think one or two Wednesday's out of the month are half-days for "teacher planning". Again, studies I'm sure are legit but for the sake of this thread it will never apply as long as schools are trying to build a winning sports program.

[ritch]

I guess there's advantages for the students both ways. Especially if they have to work. But how do you play sports, go to school, do homework,  work all at the same time. Even without the work, seems like so much to handle. No idea how they do it.

[bigmikecox]

do you think they will be mentally and physically ready at that time?

[guyincognito]

I guess there's advantages for the students both ways. Especially if they have to work. But how do you play sports, go to school, do homework,  work all at the same time. Even without the work, seems like so much to handle. No idea how they do it.

At least Coach's athletes will get roids and other stimulants, making it somewhat easier. Still, a hellish life.

[TuHolmes]

This HS has a Zero period that starts at 7 and then first period that starts at 8. Monday's are late starts and I think one or two Wednesday's out of the month are half-days for "teacher planning". Again, studies I'm sure are legit but for the sake of this thread it will never apply as long as schools are trying to build a winning sports program.

So you're saying sports are more important than education in these places?

[Coach is Back!]

So you're saying sports are more important than education in these places?

Never. Not even in my gym. Like I said this schedule works better for most because when off-season practice does finally start they won't be cramming weightlifting, conditioning, practice and homework in one afternoon.

[Coach is Back!]

do you think they will be mentally and physically ready at that time?

Depends on how bad they want to play. The one's that are serious will be ready, they ones that don't, won't. We're getting more and more each day. This morning we had 39 total between line and skill. I think the reason is we have a big social media following and they know of us plus I train a lot of the athletes in my own gym and they see the results.

We're starting the program with the basics just teaching body weight and empty bar lifts for the first 2-3 weeks then progress from there. I put together a VERY structured program that they never had.

[SF1900]

So you're saying sports are more important than education in these places?

That is one of the problems in this country. An attitude that places sports (and winning) at the expense of EVERYTHING else. Unfortunately, for many parents, sports does come first. Just think about all the crazy sport parents. I used to play organized sports. I remember parents screaming and yelling, etc. Ridiculous. A bunch of parents who are trying to live vicariously through their kids. Ruins it for the kids.

Of course winning is important, but most of these kids will never make it to the pros. Everything else should come first; sports should ALWAYS be secondary, until they make it to the college level. I have no problem with a college football player sacrificing everything to make it to the pros. Hes an adult. Its his choice. His business. But never kids.

[Coach is Back!]

You're discounting the academics and dont think it a priority. It's always put above the sport or they don't play. If they want to play in college and get looks the FIRST a college coach will ask for is that athletes transcripts. No matter how good the kid is if he/she doesn't have that schools GPA requirements then they don't get accepted. Simple as that. 

[SF1900]

You're discounting the academics and dont think it a priority. It's always put above the sport or they don't play. If they want to play in college and get looks the FIRST a college coach will ask for is that athletes transcripts. No matter how good the kid is if he/she doesn't have that schools GPA requirements then they don't get accepted. Simple as that. 

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this. College sport teams have a history of doing shady things to get great sport players into their team. If there is a GREAT athlete who can possibly bring a team to a championship, I cant imagine a university not accepting them because they are 2-3 points below the schools GPA requirements. Sorry, I don't buy that for a second.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Depends on how bad they want to play. The one's that are serious will be ready, they ones that don't, won't. We're getting more and more each day. This morning we had 39 total between line and skill. I think the reason is we have a big social media following and they know of us plus I train a lot of the athletes in my own gym and they see the results.

We're starting the program with the basics just teaching body weight and empty bar lifts for the first 2-3 weeks then progress from there. I put together a VERY structured program that they never had.

This made me laugh.

Do let them use your collection of used tires?

[Coach is Back!]

This made me laugh.

Do let them use your collection of used tires?

Why do you hide from me? Serious question.

[Coach is Back!]

Update from almost one year ago. There are so many in this thread that I could have quoted that were TOTALLY not just clueless (even with their "studies") but those that just flat out made asses of themselves by questioning my abilities to turn a team around.

Ended the season 4-6 (best in 14 seasons which before averaged 1-9) for varsity, 7-2 for freshman w/one tie for a total of 7-2-1

Our O-line/D-line averaged about 305lbs with our biggest being 6'51/2 330 with 3 getting D1 offers.

Offseason 7on7 we did better than we ever had and in linemen competitions where we were once never contenders all of the sudden were taking 1st and Seconds some to powerhouses.

We have always been called the smallest, weakest and slowest now we're literally the biggest and strongest and speed is matched to anyone in our league. Best of all out of 113 players from all three teams (Frosh, JV and Varsity) we only lost a total of 5-6 players for the season due to season ending collision injuries.

Unlike most high school programs our skill players gained an average of 22lbs instead of coaches running the shit out of them and breaking them down.

We just missed a wildcard to go to play offs.

Flame on..

[JackScribber]

Why would they flame you Joe?

You seemed to have had legitimate success. What's there to flame you about?