Chris Dorner - Southern California - rise and fall

[Palpatine Q]

So we have a situation where he is contained in a house, and the officers outside are behind full armor, and have the ability to shoot while protected by full armor.  

Are we on the same page, so far?

yes, are we on the same page that bullets are dangerous and can hit you in the face ? and the guy was a trained marksman ?

and please show me where every officer on the scene was in "full armor", the SWAT team had armor.

also, remember the LA bank Robbery where the guy in FULL ARMOR was shot and killed by police ?

It doesn't make you impervious to bullets, there are plenty of vital areas still exposed.

Keep it up, you are amusing and i like winning arguments

[Jack T. Cross]

yes, are we on the same page that bullets are dangerous and can hit you in the face ? and the guy was a trained marksman ?

and please show me where every officer on the scene was in "full armor", the SWAT team had armor.

also, remember the LA bank Robbery where the guy in FULL ARMOR was shot and killed by police ?

It doesn't make you impervious to bullets, there are plenty of vital areas still exposed.

Keep it up, you are amusing and i like winning arguments

Groink, the idea is to be behind armor--not simply wear armor.  They use modular armored plates.  The vehicles themselves are armored.  There was probably more armor available in that location than anywhere else in the entire state.

[Jack T. Cross]

So it seems the conflict is whether the deliberate use of fire is ok.  If this person was shooting, then deadly force, itself, was obviously green-lighted.

If the person was positioned so his bullets had a path toward the cops, then he would be positioned in such a way to be taken out, which is what the story says happened to him by sniper.

[Palpatine Q]

Groink, the idea is to be behind armor--not simply wear armor.  They use modular armored plates.  The vehicles themselves are armored.  There was probably more armor available in that location than anywhere else in the entire state.

Ive seen plenty of pictures of regular old cops there, well within range of a rifle. are they not in danger ?

not every cop is SWAT assault and hiding behind a shield.

You know what i think,?  is that the bloodlust of some people here was not satisfied. if he would have killed four or five guys in a 'blaze of glory"  gunfight before they got him, then it would have been a "clean kill"

But being that he was exposed as a fat, lazy stupid negro...who's car broke down so he goes and get's caught stealing a PURPLE car, shoots an unsuspecting cop and then runs to the nearest house he can find....where he is then easily killed by methodical intelligent police, doesn't sit well with these folk and it's "not right"

[Archer77]

Ive seen plenty of pictures of regular old cops there, well within range of a rifle. are they not in danger ?

not every cop is SWAT assault and hiding behind a shield.

You know what i think,?  is that the bloodlust of some people here was not satisfied. if he would have killed four or five guys in a 'blaze of glory"  gunfight before they got him, then it would have been a "clean kill"

But being that he was exposed as a fat, lazy stupid negro...who's car broke down so he goes and get's caught stealing a PURPLE car, shoots an unsuspecting cop and then runs to the nearest house he can find....where he is then easily killed by methodical intelligent police, doesn't sit well with these folk and it's "not right"

It's a tv show for a lot of folks.  They didn't like how the series ended.

[CalvinH]

But being that he was exposed as a fat, lazy stupid negro...who's car broke down so he goes and get's caught stealing a PURPLE car, shoots an unsuspecting cop and then runs to the nearest house he can find....where he is then easily killed by methodical intelligent police, doesn't sit well with these folk and it's "not right"

Damn,all thats missing from this is the part where he stopped at KFC!

[Archer77]

Damn,all thats missing from this is the part where he stopped at KFC!

He got his extra crispy in the end

[Palpatine Q]

Damn,all thats missing from this is the part where he stopped at KFC!

early police reports indicate empty containers of Welch's grape soda and chicken bones were  strewn aboiut the house.

[CalvinH]

early police reports indicate empty containers of Welch's grape soda and chicken bones were  strewn aboiut the house.

And a fat,pregnant white girl.

[Big N]

LAPD just released this photo of Dorner on his first day on duty:

Lol

[Radical Plato]

But being that he was exposed as a fat, lazy stupid negro...who's car broke down so he goes and get's caught stealing a PURPLE car, shoots an unsuspecting cop and then runs to the nearest house he can find....where he is then easily killed by methodical intelligent police, doesn't sit well with these folk and it's "not right"

Groinks love of the LAPD cock is embarrassing, like it is some how equated with brain surgery for hundreds of heavily armed men, who have every mechanical and tactical advantage at their disposal to take out a lone gun men.  And the best these rednecks could come up with is, burn that mother-fucker, a technique that was used long before they started burning witches at the stake.  The whole situation exposed the Police for what they are, incredibly stupid, highly incompetent and essentially organised criminals.  They shot at no less the 3 innocent civilians, two of them women, which, when your consider the target is a man, is embarrassing to say the least.  if Groink finds these Police methodical and intelligent, I hate to think what he considers RIDICULOUSLY STUPID.

[Option D]

And a fat,pregnant white girl.

some watermelon seeds and rindes were also found

[Jack T. Cross]

Ive seen plenty of pictures of regular old cops there, well within range of a rifle. are they not in danger ?

not every cop is SWAT assault and hiding behind a shield.

Any person that allowed himself to be unshielded must have been seeking a solid gold Darwin.  Any commander there would have wanted to shoot the person, himself.

You know what i think,?  is that the bloodlust of some people here was not satisfied. if he would have killed four or five guys in a 'blaze of glory"  gunfight before they got him, then it would have been a "clean kill"

But being that he was exposed as a fat, lazy stupid negro...who's car broke down so he goes and get's caught stealing a PURPLE car, shoots an unsuspecting cop and then runs to the nearest house he can find....where he is then easily killed by methodical intelligent police, doesn't sit well with these folk and it's "not right"

Myself, I'm thinking it's the fire that puts people off.  

But I get what you're saying...believe me.

[che]

Groink, the idea is to be behind armor--not simply wear armor.  They use modular armored plates.  The vehicles themselves are armored.  There was probably more armor available in that location than anywhere else in the entire state.

The Police didn't use armor  to protect Dorner , I hope this helps.

[Jack T. Cross]

The Police didn't use armor  to protect Dorner , I hope this helps.

I don't know what you're saying.

[CalvinH]

some watermelon seeds and rindes were also found

If powder from doughnuts was found then we would know for sure it was a setup by some white cops

[The True Adonis]

i know what an auomatic weapon sounds like. in the first audio tape where the cop says "hey you, get over here"  he opens fire on full automatic, it's as plain as day dude.

If anyone had automatics it was the cops.

[The True Adonis]

Ive seen plenty of pictures of regular old cops there, well within range of a rifle. are they not in danger ?

not every cop is SWAT assault and hiding behind a shield.

You know what i think,?  is that the bloodlust of some people here was not satisfied. if he would have killed four or five guys in a 'blaze of glory"  gunfight before they got him, then it would have been a "clean kill"

But being that he was exposed as a fat, lazy stupid negro...who's car broke down so he goes and get's caught stealing a PURPLE car, shoots an unsuspecting cop and then runs to the nearest house he can find....where he is then easily killed by methodical intelligent police, doesn't sit well with these folk and it's "not right"

The axle broke on that Titan.  If he would have tried to replace it, it probably would have taken a few days or weeks to get the parts drop shipped and then another couple of days if not weeks (if he didn`t have experience fixing broken axles) trying to fix it on his own.  If he had access to the internet, he could shave off a few days perhaps at best.  His Titan was probably still under warranty, so he could have gotten it covered.  No idea though if he had road side assistance or not.

[Agnostic007]

So we have a situation where he is contained in a house, and the officers outside are behind full armor, and have the ability to shoot while protected by full armor.  

Are we on the same page, so far?

No..not really. Been to a few SWAT calls. Not everyone is in an armored vehicle. Most are behind trees or around corners or behind vehicles. To shoot you have to expose yourself. Most ballistic vests stop handgun rounds pretty well, large caliber rifles, not so much. And it doesnt cover your neck and a lot of your face. Entry under the arm pit isn't covered either. So Jack, your illusion of cops being completely protected by full armor is misleading.  

[Jack T. Cross]

No..not really. Been to a few SWAT calls. Not everyone is in an armored vehicle. Most are behind trees or around corners or behind vehicles. To shoot you have to expose yourself. Most ballistic vests stop handgun rounds pretty well, large caliber rifles, not so much. And it doesnt cover your neck and a lot of your face. Entry under the arm pit isn't covered either. So Jack, your illusion of cops being completely protected by full armor is misleading.  

Just so we're clear...this situation wasn't similar to one where police are gunfighting with someone in an alley.  This was a situation where the subject was contained in a house, completely surrounded, and there was an absolute flood of law enforcement, who had been in the area for a considerable amount of time, with full knowledge of who this person was.  Would you disagree with any of this?

[ukjeff]

they could have starved him out, dude looked like he loved his food.

[che]

Just so we're clear...this situation wasn't similar to one where police are gunfighting with someone in an alley.  This was a situation where an armed and extremely dangerous criminal  was contained in a house, completely surrounded, and there was an absolute flood of law enforcement, who had been in the area for a considerable amount of time, with full knowledge of who this person was.  Would you disagree with any of this?

Fixed

[Palpatine Q]

Just so we're clear...this situation wasn't similar to one where police are gunfighting with someone in an alley.  This was a situation where the subject was contained in a house, completely surrounded, and there was an absolute flood of law enforcement, who had been in the area for a considerable amount of time, with full knowledge of who this person was.  Would you disagree with any of this?

what does any of that have to do with the fact that there were plenty of officers who were there, that weren't even SWAT and were well within range of a rifle..on TOP of the fact that body armor doesn't make you impervious to bullets, like you keep trying to comvince it does.

just get to youir fucking point already,I'm bored now.

to review.

you are WRONG, they exhausted lesser means, they tried negotiating, tried standard tear gas, didn't work..he kept shooting at them.

you are WRONG....not everyone was behind a shield, not everyone had body armor..they were facing an armed and very dangerous suspect who had killed a cop less than an hour beforehand. they were in imminent danger, he was FIRING BULLETS at them and trying to kill them.

carry on

[Jack T. Cross]

what does any of that have to do with the fact that there were plenty of officers who were there, that weren't even SWAT and were well within range of a rifle..on TOP of the fact that body armor doesn't make you impervious to bullets, like you keep trying to comvince it does.

just get to youir fucking point already,I'm bored now.

to review.

you are WRONG, they exhausted lesser means, they tried negotiating, tried standard tear gas, didn't work..he kept shooting at them.

you are WRONG....not everyone was behind a shield, not everyone had body armor..they were facing an armed and very dangerous suspect who had killed a cop less than an hour beforehand. they were in imminent danger, he was FIRING BULLETS at them and trying to kill them.

carry on

So if you've become bored with it, could it be that you haven't thought it completely through?

[240 is Back]

Ive seen plenty of pictures of regular old cops there, well within range of a rifle. are they not in danger ?

not every cop is SWAT assault and hiding behind a shield.

You know what i think,?  is that the bloodlust of some people here was not satisfied. if he would have killed four or five guys in a 'blaze of glory"  gunfight before they got him, then it would have been a "clean kill"

But being that he was exposed as a fat, lazy stupid negro...who's car broke down so he goes and get's caught stealing a PURPLE car, shoots an unsuspecting cop and then runs to the nearest house he can find....where he is then easily killed by methodical intelligent police, doesn't sit well with these folk and it's "not right"

I thought the police ID'd him... he fired 15 rounds but didn't hit them...

then he ran to the cabin and they chased him, at which point he was quicker.

I thought their best course of action - against a guy with rifles, etc - was to follow and radio it in.  why in the world there were two of them creeping up around the cabin is beyone me