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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Insider Z on December 04, 2005, 02:24:41 PM
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For those of you who have doubted my sources and knowledge about a new organization on the near horizon, then tell me why was Wayne DeMilia in Spain on Friday, Germany on Saturday and Italy on Sunday.
Saturday he was at the New NABBA-NAC Mr. Universe in Achen Germany with Dorian Yates. In fact, Dorian was at this non-IFBB event giving out trophies on stage (my sources will priovide photos shortly). Sunday, DeMilia was posing for photos with numerous Italian IFBB pros and with the IFBB Italian chairman.
I am also told that he is in Europe to set up TV deals in 10-12 European countries with respect to the new organization.
Word is he is on to 4 other countries the next 4 days to recruit athletes and promoters. Whatever he is planning this is going to be bigger than anyone expected.
This European activity is in addition to the people he has working for him in the US recruiting athletes and gym owners.
I also hear that Shawn Ray and DeMilia have had a discussion involving TV.
I wonder what that means...
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Actually, the dates for next year's professional (non-IFBB) competitions have already been slated, including the Night of Champions in NYC.
Mr. On_Swole,
you seem you have better contacts than me if you have dates for NoC in 2K6.
Insider Z
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what happened to "insider X"?
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Saturday he was at the New NABBA-NAC Mr. Universe in Achen Germany with Dorian Yates.
minor point: the real NABBA had nothing to do with it. Jose Lopez is just going around calling himself NABBA.
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Date has been set for the NOC. Let's see what Wayne has to say on Mon.
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minor point: the real NABBA had nothing to do with it. Jose Lopez is just going around calling himself NABBA.
Why is one NABBA any more legit than the other NABBA?
NABBA should've been hosting 'pro' competitions for years now.
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Why is one NABBA any more legit than the other NABBA?
Jose Lopez was president of NABBA Australia but had to take a leave of absence to deal with a legal issue (posession with intent to distribute). Once that was behind him (on a technicality, some say), he tried to resume his duties as president. NABBA said thanks, but no thanks. He then created his own NABBA, making himself World President. His NABBA really only seems to be New Zealand and Greece.
NAC is a German organization that also holds a Universe and World contests. Lopez attaches his name to those contests.
the real NABBA has been holding the Mr Universe contest every year since 1950. It is always in the UK.
NABBA should've been hosting 'pro' competitions for years now.
since 1952 - http://musclememory.com/male/contests/universe_-_pro_-_nabba.html
The NAC contests don't have pro divisions, so it would make sense for DeMilia to be talking to them.
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The announcements should come out Monday night. The new federations will start with European shows, and eventually come here to the U.S. in the fall. People talk. Let Wayne himself announce it when he is ready.
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This is all interesting but it seems almost like things have never changed so you'll forgive me for labelling as this an another "all talk" episode of bodybuilding progression. (I'm not contending that you're wrong Insider, just that this will probably go nowhere ).
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For those of you who doubt my sources and legitimacy, go to www.posedown.de to see Dorian at the NAC-NABBA International Mr Universe last Saturday.
For those who are not computer literate......here is the pic.
All of you doubters will see that everything that I have predicted will come to pass.
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
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And what about the Weider Nutrition sponsoring a NON IFBB contest?
Are the athletes not allowed to do what the bosses do?
Insider Z
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good to see something other than the same american ifbb top 5
over and over again. no wonder we cant stand them.
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For those of you who doubt my sources and legitimacy, go to www.posedown.de to see Dorian at the NAC-NABBA INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
Of course it all falls into place now!
Ae first I thought this was an innocent photo of Dorian handing out trophies at a contest sponsored by the German distributor of his company CNP.
But closer inspection reveals that Dorian is in fact making the "secret jesture" that triggers the great uprising. The New Federation is born. The first issue of the "official" magazine is being readied. Oh what exciting times ahead.
Only problem is...................
It ain't gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to burst the bubble but I was in Germany too. Not a single word about a new federation was said!
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do you speak german ?
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do you speak german ?
No.
Neither do I speak Japanese but it didn't stop me knowing that there was never going to be an Asian Pro Show despite all the rumors.
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The announcements should come out Monday night.
In what month of which year ?
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In what month of which year ?
That was going to be my question as well.
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In what month of which year ?
So Insider X is a fraud?
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Of course it all falls into place now!
Ae first I thought this was an innocent photo of Dorian handing out trophies at a contest sponsored by the German distributor of his company CNP.
But closer inspection reveals that Dorian is in fact making the "secret jesture" that triggers the great uprising. The New Federation is born. The first issue of the "official" magazine is being readied. Oh what exciting times ahead.
Only problem is...................
It ain't gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to burst the bubble but I was in Germany too. Not a single word about a new federation was said!
schaudenfreude
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schaudenfreude
I think you'll find the correct spelling is Schadenfreude?
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude (denn sie kommt von Herzen)
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This goes out to all the doubters. Say what ever you want against the proposed
new organization. This is going to happen and the IFBB and The NPC are both
going to start shitting their pants very soon.
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This goes out to all the doubters. Say what ever you want against the proposed
new organization. This is going to happen and the IFBB and The NPC are both
going to start shitting their pants very soon.
Again, why is the NPC going to be in any trouble?
I could care less about the IFBB - it'll be good to see them crumble. The NPC is fine, though.
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Look at all of the officials of The NPC and you will see the same people staffing the IFBB pro shows. The IFBB has become an extension of The NPC. Even the judging is going to be done according to amateur rules. The events will be promoted by NPC officials and will look it
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In what month of which year ?
2006. I know what month but I won't say out of courtesy. Thre are 2 shows. If you think I'm talkin shit then ask Ron.
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2006. I know what month but I won't say out of courtesy. Thre are 2 shows. If you think I'm talkin shit then ask Ron.
What's happening here is that a large number of people *want* to support something different, but all the "whisperers" aren't giving anything substantive to get onboard in support of.
The question (from our side) is simple: If you're not going to say anything of value, why say anything at all?
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What's happening here is that a large number of people *want* to support something different, but all the "whisperers" aren't giving anything substantive to get onboard in support of.
The question (from our side) is simple: If you're not going to say anything of value, why say anything at all?
Well then, the next time you say something of non value I will call you on it. That could very well be a full time job. ;)
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Of course it all falls into place now!
Ae first I thought this was an innocent photo of Dorian handing out trophies at a contest sponsored by the German distributor of his company CNP.
But closer inspection reveals that Dorian is in fact making the "secret jesture" that triggers the great uprising. The New Federation is born. The first issue of the "official" magazine is being readied. Oh what exciting times ahead.
Only problem is...................
It ain't gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to burst the bubble but I was in Germany too. Not a single word about a new federation was said!
SO....kmhphoto seems to know everything. Well, you don't know who I am but I know who you are.
You are KEVIN HORTON, photographer for Flex magazine and I don't think you know anything. Even though I am not an official or an athlete of the sport, I have many friends. You are correct that no announcement was made in Germany last week......but I never said an announcement would be or was made.
I will tell you this, my friend is negotiating with Mr DeMilia to run a pro show for the new organization in Romania. The new organization will happen.
But, let's make a wager. If a new Pro organization does not happen (as you say) I will buy you a camera of your choice.
If a new organization does happen.....I take one of your cameras as my prize.
So......do you feel lucky today.............well do you Kevin????
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
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But, let's make a wager. If a new Pro organization does not happen (as you say) I will buy you a camera of your choice.
If a new organization does happen.....I take one of your cameras as my prize.
So......do you feel lucky today.............well do you Kevin????
well, as long as you're completely anonymous, he should have no problem collecting on the prize.
::)
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well, as long as you're completely anonymous, he should have no problem collecting on the prize.
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You are right. Let's say that I will reveal my identity and pay my due if the things I'm saying will not happen within the end of March 2006.
Is it fair enough?
Insider Z
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my money goes on the "Z" man ........................ ..... something is happening out there
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You are right. Let's say that I will reveal my identity and pay my due if the things I'm saying will not happen within the end of March 2006.
Is it fair enough?
Insider Z
You can't make a bet with someone who is anonymous.
Period.
Even if he claims to reveal himself later. A bet is taken between two individuals who KNOW each other's identity. Otherwise, there is zero collectability or accountability.
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You are right. Let's say that I will reveal my identity and pay my due if the things I'm saying will not happen within the end of March 2006.
Is it fair enough?
Insider Z
"Z"'s aninmity might be presious ..So i put my -self in as "moderater , drop-off pick-up? man" ....i will do so then we keep the "Z" on raps , come out when your ready "Z",i will get u the camara from the opponent and deliver
2shea gentleman
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"Z"'s aninmity might be presious ..So i put my -self in as "moderater , drop-off pick-up? man" ....i will do so then we keep the "Z" on raps , come out when your ready "Z",i will get u the camara from the opponent and deliver
2shea gentleman
???
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"Z"'s aninmity might be presious ..So i put my -self in as "moderater , drop-off pick-up? man" ....i will do so then we keep the "Z" on raps , come out when your ready "Z",i will get u the camara from the opponent and deliver
2shea gentleman
hell, where do you get your "middleman" experience? you sound like a drug runner or something. hmmm... i wonder. were you not the sucker talking bout big things the weekend of the olympia? so, where's the big news drug runner ???
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Well then, the next time you say something of non value I will call you on it. That could very well be a full time job. ;)
Touché. :)
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You are right. Let's say that I will reveal my identity and pay my due if the things I'm saying will not happen within the end of March 2006.
Is it fair enough?
Insider Z
Word of caution: Things almost always take longer than expected.
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I can also verify that KM is Kevin Horton so Insider Z does have credible info. I am VERY careful when it comes to what I say regarding this issue cause no one wants to look foolish in the end if nothing happens.
Tre is right that you can not support something that does not exist so for now all we can do is antisipate. Some of us now exactly when this is coming, but unfortunately I can not say anything more. I will keep quite for now but don't blame me when I come back later and say "I told you so" ;D
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You are right. Let's say that I will reveal my identity and pay my due if the things I'm saying will not happen within the end of March 2006.
Is it fair enough?
Insider Z
Everyone knows kmhphoto is Horton. His intials are in his screenname, he posts the FLEX contest photo threads and he signs posts with his own name! Um...that's how I figured it out with all my "inside info." ::)
"New organization" and organization someone gives a crap about that attracts top pro's are 2 different things. There are all kinds of bodybuilding organizations in Europe, but no one cares. If the guys can make it in the IFBB they compete in the IFBB. If they can't, they do NABBA and WABBA and CRAPPA. I don't doubt many more organizations will come along. I do doubt one will be a major force. And a frickin' masters show in Romania of all places doesn't change my view of that in the least. In fact, it enforces it.
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It's not actual proof for you, but I have first hand info that Wayne came to Hungary from Italy (I think), and had meetings here too. So the organization is being planned, that's for sure. It will be certain when it will be certain though.
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oh good let tommy be the bag man LOL
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Everyone knows kmhphoto is Horton. His intials are in his screenname, he posts the FLEX contest photo threads and he signs posts with his own name! Um...that's how I figured it out with all my "inside info." ::)
"New organization" and organization someone gives a crap about that attracts top pro's are 2 different things. There are all kinds of bodybuilding organizations in Europe, but no one cares. If the guys can make it in the IFBB they compete in the IFBB. If they can't, they do NABBA and WABBA and CRAPPA. I don't doubt many more organizations will come along. I do doubt one will be a major force. And a frickin' masters show in Romania of all places doesn't change my view of that in the least. In fact, it enforces it.
Let's take another guess. This could be a little harder.
A little bird told my that Mr. NYC Rex has some interest in throwing mud at Insider Z because he goes under the real name of Greg Merritt and he work for FLEX Magazine.
Obviuosly, I have no proof of what I'm saying and Mr. NYC Rex is ready to deny it and he will keep on offending people that don't work for the same boss he is working for.
Insider Z
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Everyone knows kmhphoto is Horton. His intials are in his screenname, he posts the FLEX contest photo threads and he signs posts with his own name! Um...that's how I figured it out with all my "inside info." ::)...
Exactly.
Kevin has never tried to hide his identity here, so why all the big mystery and "I know you are Kevin Horton" jazz? ???
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SO....kmhphoto seems to know everything. Well, you don't know who I am but I know who you are.
You are KEVIN HORTON, photographer for Flex magazine and I don't think you know anything.
Fuck me that's impressive. You obviously have far more intelligence than I orgininaly thought.
If you want to be more specific about your wager I'd be happy to take you up on it as I won't need so many cameras soon as I'm retiring. So, first off, let's start with your real identity.
Then lay down the specifics of the bet. Obviously this needs to have a time limit so I suggest we use the date Wayne makes the announcement. I assume you do know that?
Also will this announcement be more important than the "Monday" one that you previously mentioned or is it the same one? If it is not the same one, can we expect this announcement anytime soon or has it been decided to make it on a Tuesday instead?
While we're on the subject of your "Insider" information:
Whatever happened to the magazine that was going to be published in the UK and the US? You did say that Peter McGough could be the editor because he was "skating on thin ice" at FLEX. Obviously your information regarding him was wrong because he's just been promoted!
Did the "Asians" get to meet with Watne at the Chicago Health and Fitness show? Of course it may have been difficult to see them amongst the crowd of 15 people who attended.
Are you still claiming that Jim Manion is leaving the IFBB and starting his own Pro Division?
Why would Wayne turn down $350,000 from the Japanese but be part of a show in Romania. I doubt that any show in Europe would be that profitable.
Are you the pervert that call's my room at shows and ask me iif I'll take some "special" photos of you?
Regards
Kevin -not afraid to hide behind a screen name- Horton.
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Ok i spoke to Wayne for almost 2 hours the other night.MMMM what can i tell you.
Oh we will have to wait to the new year for the news :)
Lee Priest
what did you do? phone sex? ;D
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Why do so many people get so bent out of shape about the possibilty of Wayne starting a new org.? I find the Asian rumors pretty funny. Wayne is not and never has been involved with the Asians as far as starting a new org. Something is coming and my guess ;) is that by Feb 1st we should know what.
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Why do so many people get so bent out of shape about the possibilty of Wayne starting a new org.? I find the Asian rumors pretty funny. Wayne is not and never has been involved with the Asians as far as starting a new org. Something is coming and my guess ;) is that by Feb 1st we should know what.
I have no problem with Wayne starting a new organisation. I spent a lot of time with Wayne at the NOC's, Olympia's and on the European tours and wish him well for the future.
Insider Z desperately tries to be seen as someone in the know yet his track record proves the otherwise. I have no doubt that at some time in the future soimebody will start a new organisation and Insider Z will say "I told you so" despite there being no Asians, Wayne or any pro bodybuilders involved.
His powers of deduction in establishing my "real" identity rival those of Sherlock Holmes, that's why I had to raise my perception of his intelligence levels from "retard" to "idiot".
So if you read this Insider Z, at the next show, come up and say "Hi" and stop hiding behind your keyboard. It must be difficult typing with one hand? (Only Brits may understand that line?)
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Mr. Horton,
you look like being some way mad at me and I wonder why you show that aggressive attitude toward me. I have never been offensive to any one.
I have just posted some possible scenarios that may happen in mid term.
At the next show I'll be more than glad to come to you and say "hi" and shake your hand as I did many times in the past.
I've been teasing you revealing your name (easy to do by clicking on your nickname). I consider you a decent person and I have always respected your work.
If I'd want to hurt you I have different weapons that revealing your name on a bodybuilding board.
Take it easy and don't be scared of enemies that don't exist.
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kmhphoto is the f***ing man. insider z, tell us your name. stop being a candy ass. hell yeah!
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f**k me that's impressive. You obviously have far more intelligence than I orgininaly thought.
If you want to be more specific about your wager I'd be happy to take you up on it as I won't need so many cameras soon as I'm retiring. So, first off, let's start with your real identity.
Then lay down the specifics of the bet. Obviously this needs to have a time limit so I suggest we use the date Wayne makes the announcement. I assume you do know that?
Also will this announcement be more important than the "Monday" one that you previously mentioned or is it the same one? If it is not the same one, can we expect this announcement anytime soon or has it been decided to make it on a Tuesday instead?
While we're on the subject of your "Insider" information:
Whatever happened to the magazine that was going to be published in the UK and the US? You did say that Peter McGough could be the editor because he was "skating on thin ice" at FLEX. Obviously your information regarding him was wrong because he's just been promoted!
Did the "Asians" get to meet with Watne at the Chicago Health and Fitness show? Of course it may have been difficult to see them amongst the crowd of 15 people who attended.
Are you still claiming that Jim Manion is leaving the IFBB and starting his own Pro Division?
Why would Wayne turn down $350,000 from the Japanese but be part of a show in Romania. I doubt that any show in Europe would be that profitable.
Are you the pervert that call's my room at shows and ask me iif I'll take some "special" photos of you?
Regards
Kevin -not afraid to hide behind a screen name- Horton.
OK Kevin.....so you don't need a camera because you are retiring. And, maybe I have been a little off here and there (there may be a magazine, but not from Romania) but I must tell you..Japan was real and DeMilia did not want to live in Tokyo 2 weeks of every month.
I also know that the only thing that could stop this new organization is the fact that DeMilia and partners are heavily involved with a new MMA fighting group. This will come clear when everyone sees the event Friday night in Columbus, who is fighting, and that they already have a PPV contract.
But I am a betting man.....I like the action......I enjoy the roll of the dice.......sooooooo
Let's make a bet for dinner.
You are saying there will not be a new organization and I say yes. Let's bet dinner at the restaurant of the winners choice.
This will be more than fair, because you know DeMilia and could easily call him. I only go by pieces I put together from different sources.
Just a friendly wager for fun.......then win or lose......you will find out who I am.
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If you were a real insider, you would've known that Kevin was retiring. ;)
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Let's take another guess. This could be a little harder.
A little bird told my that Mr. NYC Rex has some interest in throwing mud at Insider Z because he goes under the real name of Greg Merritt and he work for FLEX Magazine.
Obviuosly, I have no proof of what I'm saying and Mr. NYC Rex is ready to deny it and he will keep on offending people that don't work for the same boss he is working for.
Insider Z
WTF?! So now we know Insider Z is full of crap. He's got EVERYTHING wrong. My name is a lot easier than that to figure out, though I doubt anyone cares. Here's a news flash. It's Rex! Okay, it's not my given name, but it's the only name I've answered to since 1st grade (almost no one outside my family knows my given name). Or T-Rex, since Jurassic Park came out, because, get this, my last name starts with a "T." I would tell you my entire name, if you had the balls to tell me yours. I've never claimed to be an "insider," but I've been around NYC bodybuilding for over 20 years. I used to co-own a gym in Brooklyn, I've worked with promoters all over the east coast, and I've heard enough stories about DeMilia and his bottom line to doubt this will ever amount to anything.
I've never met Demilia and have nothing against him personally. But i gave him my money almost every year when I went to the NOC, and it WAS a great show. I used to LOVE that show. but the last few years it was all about the money, cutting the show short, and the kiddie porn skit at final show was an embarrassment to bodybuilding, which was probably his plan. (I took my son to that show.) If the Demilia of 15-20 years ago returned, that would be great. But all this secrecy only hurts him. Why not let us know his plans (if any), get the forces to join behind him and change bodybuilding for the better. From what I hear that would never be his way. He's always wanted to be the next Joe or Ben Weider and control everything himself and in secret, like when he headed the IFBB pro division. We've had enough of that sh*t already. Just my 2 cents.
Rex T.
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Just my 2 cents.
Rex T.
Thank you for your contribution and for offerin' us an extract of your great personal life.
You'll be contacted whenever a wise opinion will be needed.
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OK Kevin.....so you don't need a camera because you are retiring. And, maybe I have been a little off here and there (there may be a magazine, but not from Romania) but I must tell you..Japan was real and DeMilia did not want to live in Tokyo 2 weeks of every month.
I also know that the only thing that could stop this new organization is the fact that DeMilia and partners are heavily involved with a new MMA fighting group. This will come clear when everyone sees the event Friday night in Columbus, who is fighting, and that they already have a PPV contract.
But I am a betting man.....I like the action......I enjoy the roll of the dice.......sooooooo
Let's make a bet for dinner.
You are saying there will not be a new organization and I say yes. Let's bet dinner at the restaurant of the winners choice.
This will be more than fair, because you know DeMilia and could easily call him. I only go by pieces I put together from different sources.
Just a friendly wager for fun.......then win or lose......you will find out who I am.
HE IS RIGHT ON THIS
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I know who Insider Z is. Figured it out. Has been around a very long time, so whatever he says, whether it is rumored, is worth noting.
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Thank you for your contribution and for offerin' us an extract of your great personal life.
You'll be contacted whenever a wise opinion will be needed.
I'd sooner contact him than you , Insider Bullshitter. ::)
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I know who Insider Z is. Figured it out.
well, yeah, you have the IP address
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well, yeah, you have the IP address
Means nothing if he's using a proxy .
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I know who Insider Z is. Figured it out. Has been around a very long time, so whatever he says, whether it is rumored, is worth noting.
Been around where .... GetBig ? :-X
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I don't know who "Z" is nor do I care. I was at the show in Germany also. I saw Kevin Horton in the front and saw DeMilia and Dorian talking in the back. After the judging, DeMilia, some guy with wild blond hair and the two promoters of the event left for a meeting. They came back after an hour.
I also talked to some people there and I also spoke to a friend in Italy who saw DeMilia there the next day.
Word is, there will not be a new organization in 2006 because Demilia and other people have been approached about starting a new fighting organization.
Kevin, take the bet with Insider Z. You will win and that will shut up this person who just likes to spread false rumors!
Robert Goldberg
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Means nothing if he's using a proxy .
it would be pretty hard to trace a specific ip address to a specific person. but if he posts under different names, one anonymous and the other not, they'll show up with the same ip address, proxy or not.
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Lee is right. A date is set and it's soon. Then all this debating will be over. Thank God. ;D
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........ A date is set and it's soon.
Is it going to be a Monday?
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Is it going to be a Monday?
Didn't see your post. No, not Mon but soon.
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Hey well i am telling you it aint no rumor
this is great news...
I hope wayne can do this and FINALLY the pros can get the rewards they deserve, unlike the weiders who sold out to mr peckerhead....
it is long overdue for:
1. a lot more prize money
2. health and financial benefits that we all enjoy now
3. a retirement system
4. new contests in new cities
5. new judges that follow the fucking criteria they are supposed to
6. a new hardcore rag and supplement line to go with the new organization
>:(
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Agreed with you, WiseGuy, except that #s 2 & 3 are the responsibility of the athletes' union, and not of any federation of event promoters.
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I'd be happy to take you up on it as I won't need so many cameras soon as I'm retiring.
Is it true that your "retirement" is due to the current budget cuts imposed by AMI and that you were in fact fired?
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Is it true that your "retirement" is due to the current budget cuts imposed by AMI and that you were in fact fired?
Dear Mr. MuscleMuppets,
I assume you are male though you could of course be female or even someone who prefers to have their spine climbed?
Once again your information is incorrect. I was not fired .
You obviously spend too much time on the interent acting as a "rumor monger" and no doubt consider yourself something of a "keyboard gangster" sp as a goodwill gesture and to show that I have no ill feeling towards you may I suggest that you take a trip to your local travel agent, immerse yourself in the wealth of knowledge the people there have of the real world, and assuming your parents allow you to travel alone pick a distant location and F^&K OFF to it?
Warmest Regards
KMH
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Well, the train is leaving the Station.
Wayne has confirmed the new Pro Division starts this year with 5 to 6 shows.
The first show is the Night f Champions this September. Pros from the US and around the world will be able to compete.
Here is the best part, amateurs that have won their class at a National Amateur show will be able to petition for a Pro card and compete at the NOC.
As for the new MMA organization, there it is at the Arnold. This new organization is to compete head to head with the UFC and is currently taking some atheletes from the UFC.
You can listen to all of this here:
Wayne Demilia on the Pro Division (http://www.musclemayhem.com/podcasts/index.php?id=19)
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Also medical insurance is provided and paid for by the organization for the Pros. I hope I got this right or Chic will be all over me. If the Pros support Wayne's new oganization it will destroy the IFBB. SO much more positive things going to happen with Wayne.
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Also medical insurance is provided and paid for by the organization for the Pros. I hope I got this right or Chic will be all over me. If the Pros support Wayne's new oganization it will destroy the IFBB. SO much more positive things going to happen with Wayne.
wrong again, brother....
the only "insurance" thats been established by this new division, is from a mental health facility...which when called to confirm...knew NOTHING about this so called coverage.
Gotta do better homework than that, keith...!
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Oh well since I hate homework. I got the info from Wayne's friend who is also an IFBB offical. Not sure either way. I might have misunderstood him.