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US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« on: February 23, 2014, 11:12:46 AM »


US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years



A former U.S. airman is currently sitting in a Florida prison for what his supporters argue was a simple act of self-defense.

Just two years into a 25-year sentence, he joins a list of cases that have drawn national attention to the Sunshine State’s sentencing and gun laws. Encouraged by the activity, his family is hoping to stir up interest in his case and is currently petitioning Florida’s governor for clemency.

In the spring of 2010, 26-year-old Michael Giles was on active duty with the Unites States Air Force and stationed in Tampa. The married father of three had recently finished two tours in the Middle East and was looking forward to a career in the military, says his family. One night in February, a friend invited Giles to party at a Tallahassee nightclub. Shorty after arriving, a fight broke out among members of fraternities from nearby Florida A&M University.

According to court documents, an argument quickly escalated into a brawl involving 30 to 40 young men.

Giles reportedly was not involved in the melee but, separated from his friends, went outside to the car where he had a gun, for which he had a concealed carry permit. Giles put the weapon in his pants pocket and searched the crowd for his friends. Suddenly, he says, someone from the crowd punched him. Knocked to the ground and in fear for his life, Giles says he pulled out the gun and fired one shot into the leg of his alleged attacker.

Three men were injured, wounded by bullet fragments. Giles was immediately arrested and charged with second-degree attempted murder.

Aside from his having no criminal background, Giles’ supporters argue that he was merely defending himself from an unprovoked attack. In fact, when testifying in the case, the man who punched Giles, Courtney Thrower, admitted that the assault was random. “The first person I get to I’m going to hit,” he remembered thinking.

Other witnesses testified that Thrower, having heard of an attack on one of his fraternity brothers, was outside of the nightclub pacing with his fists clenched and, in the middle of the brawl, “leapfrogged” from the crowd to hit Giles. Despite all of that, according to the Florida state prosecutors, Giles had no right to use deadly force that night.

“The evidence is clear here that the act of pointing a gun into a group of people, even if you’re not specifically deciding to kill them, is a crime,” said Assistant State Attorney Jack Campbell in his closing statements during the trial. “There is no self-defense that is applicable based on the evidence that’s before the jury.”

The defense argued, however, that Giles was justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believed that such force was necessary to prevent “imminent death or great bodily harm” to himself.

“He doesn’t have to think he’s going to get killed, even though people looking in from the outside thought someone could get killed,” said defense attorney Don Pumphrey in his closing. “If the defendant was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, where he had a right to stand, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force.”

The jury disagreed however and Giles was ultimately convicted in August of 2011 of the lesser charge of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, a crime that comes with a mandatory minimum sentence of twenty years in the state of Florida. It is the same sentence Marissa Alexander received in her controversial case – a case recently awarded a new trial on appeal.

“10-20-Life” (Florida Statute 775.087) is a controversial Florida law under which Giles and Alexander were sentenced. It confers a minimum sentence of 10 years for a felony conviction where a firearm is merely brandishing. Firing the gun adds another 10 years – even if no one was hit, as was the case with Alexander. And, if someone is hit, the shooter necessarily faces 25 years to life in prison.

“Frankly, I think the 25-year mandatory is overly harsh on the facts of this case, but that’s what the law requires I do and I intend to follow the law,” said Judge James C. Hankinson when issuing Giles’ verdict

Given the facts of the case, Giles’ supporters – led in an effort by his parents – are hoping to have his case reevaluated by the state. His mother, Phyllis Giles, has created an online petition through Change.org asking Florida Governor Rick Scott for executive clemency for her son. She claims that not only do the facts of the case show that Michael was reasonably defending himself, but that his lawyer pressured him against taking the stand and evoking a “Stand-Your-Ground” defense.

Giles’ new defense attorney is currently in the process of filing a motion for post-conviction relief, claiming that he received ineffective assistance of counsel and, so far, the petition for clemency has received more than 56,000 signatures.

Florida State Senator Dwight Bullard (D-39) has also written a letter to Gov. Scott asking him to commute Giles’ sentence. According to a statement to theGrio from Bullard’s office, he has received no response from the governor.

“As of yet our office has heard nothing from Gov. Scott’s office. His office has time and again proven non-responsive on issues related to injustice,” Bullard said in a statement to theGrio. “He subsequently has turned a definitive blind eye to high[-]profile plights of injustice involving African-Americans. His lack of intervention on behalf of Marissa Alexander and lack of compassion for the killings of Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis have not gone unnoticed by Black Floridians – and all Floridians. So it comes as no surprise that he has been noticeably absent in the case of Michael Giles. Nonetheless I will continue pressing his office and others to take notice of cases like Mr. Giles, Ms. Alexander and others.”

In response, John Tupps, deputy press secretary for Governor Scott, told theGrio, “Florida is at a 42-year low in its crime rate, and Governor Scott works every day to ensure that Florida families are kept safe and have the opportunity to live the American Dream.”

Michael Giles supporters believe that’s not enough and are asking for direct action on his behalf. Ultimately, Phyllis Giles says she would like the state to take into consideration her son’s character and the extraordinary circumstance he was in the night of the shooting.

“Michael is a very caring person, never been in trouble, never been arrested. He’s a family man. We’re a bible-based family and both my husband and I are retired military,” she says. “We believe that we have raised a good man, so we don’t understand how the state of Florida could sentence him to 25 years in prison for defending himself. Michael is a good man. He is honest. He is hard working and, through all of this, he is our rock and confidence we need to keep fighting.”


http://thegrio.com/2013/12/04/us-airman-stands-his-ground-in-florida-sentenced-to-25-years/


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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 11:29:53 AM »
SYG or no, if the facts in the posted story are mostly correct (i.e., if the airman used his gun after being knock to the ground with no provocation), then 25 years seems inappropriately excessive. 

How is one expected to retreat when on the ground, anyway?  Are you supposed to be familiar with mma-style "shrimping" or what?

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2014, 11:39:55 AM »
He should never have gotten his weapon...the sentence is ridiculous.
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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2014, 11:48:18 AM »
A completely different case.  From the limited number of your posts I've read it seems like you are a bit of a race-baiter and a racist. You're definitely anti-Semitic.  As a Jew it's pretty clear.

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2014, 11:52:47 AM »
He should never have gotten his weapon...the sentence is ridiculous.

Yeah, that (he shouldn't have retrieved his gun in the first place) was likely an important factor in his prosecution, I'm thinking.  

Sort of hard to completely go along with that, though, if he had a valid CC permit and wasn't inside some business that had a rule against guns.  

If he really was just looking for his friends (in order to make sure they were OK and maybe help them to get away from that situation) and wasn't looking to scare some fools with his gun, it seems to me like that'd be a fairly good and legal reason to strap up if you have a CC permit.  

Otherwise, when is it OK to have your gun on you?  When hiking in mountain lion territory only?


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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2014, 11:58:02 AM »
A completely different case.  From the limited number of your posts I've read it seems like you are a bit of a race-baiter and a racist.

What do you mean it is a completely different case?

How so? A different case from what? ...from a guy firing into a car load of teens driving AWAY?

...a different case than a man chasing an unarmed teen running AWAY?

...a different case than a woman firing a warning shot?

Yes absolutely it is a different case. It is the case of a man who was randomly attacked out of no where in a situation where he could have lost his life, discharging his firearm to save his life. Maybe if he had killed the guy, he would have been free to walk the streets?

I think it's disgusting that an airman does two tours of duty, and at the age of 24/25 is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, for defending himself and saving his own life.
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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2014, 12:01:10 PM »
What do you mean it is a completely different case?

How so? A different case from what? ...from a guy firing into a car load of teens driving AWAY?

...a different case than a man chasing an unarmed teen running AWAY?

...a different case than a woman firing a warning shot?

Yes absolutely it is a different case. It is the case of a man who was randomly attacked out of no where in a situation where he could have lost his life, discharging his firearm to save his life. Maybe if he had killed the guy, he would have been free to walk the streets?

I think it's disgusting that an airman does two tours of duty, and at the age of 24/25 is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, for defending himself and saving his own life.

He made a stupid decision.  He could have just as easily called the police or gotten in his vehicle instead of grabbing his gun.   He had an opportunity to leave. The article says he wasn't involved in the original melee.  Twenty-five years is a bit excessive but this incident is clearly his fault.

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2014, 12:01:37 PM »
A completely different case.  From the limited number of your posts I've read it seems like you are a bit of a race-baiter and a racist. You're definitely anti-Semitic.  As a Jew it's pretty clear.

First of all, I'm not anti-Semitic. I am anti-Zionist. I have no problem with Jews, ...or Khazarians for that matter. My issue is with Zionists.

Secondly, Are you a Jew, or are you a Khazarian?
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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2014, 12:04:34 PM »
First of all, I'm not anti-Semitic. I am anti-Zionist. I have no problem with Jews, ...or Khazarians for that matter. My issue is with Zionists.

Secondly, Are you a Jew, or are you a Khazarian?

You're insane. The whole khazarian stuff is a bunch of nonsense used by anti-Semites like yourself to attack Jewish people.

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 12:07:36 PM »
He made a stupid decision.  He could have just as easily called the police or gotten in his vehicle instead of grabbing his gun.   He had an opportunity to leave. The article says he wasn't involved in the original melee.  Twenty-five years is a bit excessive but this incident is clearly his fault.
That statement could fit for Zimmerman also

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2014, 12:11:04 PM »
That statement could fit for Zimmerman also


Depends on whether he was approached by Martin and it was Martin who started the physical confrontation.  I wasn't there so I don't know. 

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2014, 12:11:12 PM »
He made a stupid decision.  He could have just as easily called the police or gotten in his vehicle instead of grabbing his gun.   He had an opportunity to leave.  Twenty-five years is a bit excessive but this incident is clearly his fault.

Call a cop?  Hahaha Lololololz. Oh Puleaze!!!

He was separated from his friend with whom he had gone to the club. He was a combat vet.
They don't turn and run, leaving men behind. Getting his gun wasn't stupid. It is quite possibly what saved his life.  

It was not his fault. He had nothing to do with his attacker. The guy came out from nowhere and RANDOMLY attacked him, knocking him to the ground. In other parts of the country, when Black kids have done that to elderly whites, it is condemned, and people cheer when the elderly white person pulls a gun and shoots his/her attacker. How is this any different? How was he not "standing his ground?" ...because he was flat on his back at the time?
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2014, 12:14:25 PM »
Depends on whether he was approached by Martin and it was Martin who started the physical confrontation.  I wasn't there so I don't know. 

Lol all he had to do is stay in his truck and call the cops,so your statement ffits for Zimmerman

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2014, 12:17:37 PM »
Call a cop?  Hahaha Lololololz. Oh Puleaze!!!

He was separated from his friend with whom he had gone to the club. He was a combat vet.
They don't turn and run, leaving men behind. Getting his gun wasn't stupid. It is quite possibly what saved his life.  

It was not his fault. He had nothing to do with his attacker. The guy came out from nowhere and RANDOMLY attacked him, knocking him to the ground. In other parts of the country, when Black kids have done that to elderly whites, it is condemned, and people cheer when the elderly white person pulls a gun and shoots his/her attacker. How is this any different? How was he not "standing his ground?" ...because he was flat on his back at the time?


As a soldier he should have remained calm and let the authorities handle the problem. He wasn't in immediate danger until he put himself in danger by returning to the melee.  A smart soldier knows when to fight and when not to.

The media downplays attacks on whites by blacks.  As you might have noticed there has been a strong push to omit the race of perpetrators and this is done to limit the publics knowledge of the high number of black on white crimes.  Which by the way are several times higher than white on black.

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2014, 12:18:49 PM »
Lol all he had to do is stay in his truck and call the cops,so your statement ffits for Zimmerman


It's not exactly the same situation although I agree that Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck.

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2014, 12:21:04 PM »
That statement could fit for Zimmerman also


No, it's not the same. The airman made the mistake of not using lethal force, and only wounding his attacker.

This man didn't stalk the man he eventually shot, and wasn't previously instructed not to follow him.
This man didn't prejudicely assume the man he shot was committing a crime.

This was a man who was trying to find his friend so they could leave, when he was RANDOMLY attacked for no other reason than his attacker had a whole lot of anger he wanted to take out on someone... anyone. Even testified to this. This man did nothing to cause this event. Going to his vehicle to get his gun is NOT AT ALL unusual for someone with a cc permit. If you cc everyday, your weapon is a piece of your attire, ...like your shoes. You take off your shoes when you enter someone else's home if they request it. When you leave, you put your shoes back on. Same with cc. If the establishment requires weapons be left outside, you do so, and you retrieve your weapon upon exiting. He did nothing wrong or inappropriate.
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2014, 12:22:21 PM »
No, it's not the same. The airman made the mistake of not using lethal force, and only wounding his attacker.

This man didn't stalk the man he eventually shot, and wasn't previously instructed not to follow him.
This man didn't prejudicely assume the man he shot was committing a crime.

This was a man who was trying to find his friend so they could leave, when he was RANDOMLY attacked for no other reason than his attacker had a whole lot of anger he wanted to take out on someone... anyone. Even testified to this. This man did nothing to cause this event. Going to his vehicle to get his gun is NOT AT ALL unusual for someone with a cc permit. If you cc everyday, your weapon is a piece of your attire, ...like your shoes. You take off your shoes when you enter someone else's home if they request it. When you leave, you put your shoes back on. Same with cc. If the establishment requires weapons be left outside, you do so, and you retrieve your weapon upon exiting. He did nothing wrong or inappropriate.

I think you might be experiencing a bit of racial bias. 

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2014, 12:24:34 PM »
I think you might be experiencing a bit of racial bias. 

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2014, 12:29:17 PM »
He should never have gotten his weapon...the sentence is ridiculous.

yeah, he could have gotten in his car and left.  Grabbing a gun and running into a 50-man fight is asking for trouble.  He was entering a situation he already knew was full of violence.   Getting punched was a reasonable expectation here.

Then he takes one punch and opens fire.   This guy is a stone cold idiot and while he doesn't deserve 25 years, he probably deserves 5 to 8 years, getting out in 3 and 1/2 years for good behavior.

Heck, I would even question if there's proof he really ran to his car to get the gun.  My $ would be on him having that piece the entire time, and the extra "I ran to my car to get the gun" is something his lawyer made up to avoid admitting having that gun in a bar.

Either way, he chose to grab a gun and ran into an obvious fight.  A reasonable person woudl know he was going to be confronted with violence.  He deserves a few years, but not 25, that's madness.  You have to charge him with something, or you endorse everyone running to cars for glocks every time there's a fistfight.  

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2014, 12:29:50 PM »
You're insane. The whole khazarian stuff is a bunch of nonsense used by anti-Semites like yourself to attack Jewish people.

Haha, typical Khazar! Always tryin' to lay claim to everything Jewish, ...even a thread about an Isrealite, you try to turn it into a thread about Khazars. Go read "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Khazarian author Arthur Koestler.

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2014, 12:33:44 PM »
I think you might be experiencing a bit of racial bias. 

Oh I'm looking at the facts in the case.
I can assure that I am not the one experiencing the racial bias in Florida.
Michael Giles on the other hand, may have something different to say about that.
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2014, 12:34:02 PM »
yeah, he could have gotten in his car and left.  Grabbing a gun and running into a 50-man fight is asking for trouble.  He was entering a situation he already knew was full of violence.   Getting punched was a reasonable expectation here.

Then he takes one punch and opens fire.   This guy is a stone cold idiot and while he doesn't deserve 25 years, he probably deserves 5 to 8 years, getting out in 3 and 1/2 years for good behavior.

Heck, I would even question if there's proof he really ran to his car to get the gun.  My $ would be on him having that piece the entire time, and the extra "I ran to my car to get the gun" is something his lawyer made up to avoid admitting having that gun in a bar.

Either way, he chose to grab a gun and ran into an obvious fight.  A reasonable person woudl know he was going to be confronted with violence.  He deserves a few years, but not 25, that's madness.  You have to charge him with something, or you endorse everyone running to cars for glocks every time there's a fistfight.  

Again this could have been said for Zimmerman

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2014, 12:34:27 PM »
Haha, typical Khazar! Always tryin' to lay claim to everything Jewish, ...even a thread about an Isrealite, you try to turn it into a thread about Khazars. Go read "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Khazarian author Arthur Koestler.

Try to stay on topic.

That book is a favorite tome of the anti-semite.  I try to turn every thread into one about Israelites?  Have I ever done this or are you just lumping all Jews together?  The problem here is that you believe this garbage.  I bet you have this book on your bookshelf right next to The Protocols of The Elders of Zion

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Re: US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2014, 12:37:10 PM »
ridiculous sentence