Is this on any other news source? Not a flame, but this is serious bidness, and If I can see this corroborated on a legitimate news source, Im gonna be worried.
But honestly, that site leaves me with doubts.
Is this on any other news source? Not a flame, but this is serious bidness, and If I can see this corroborated on a legitimate news source, Im gonna be worried.Her last line should be a givaway. "I'm just glad my money is banked in GOLD! As the US Dollar devalues to zero, my purchasing power is retained."
But honestly, that site leaves me with doubts.
Her last line should be a givaway. "I'm just glad my money is banked in GOLD! As the US Dollar devalues to zero, my purchasing power is retained."
Then she wants you to click the link in her sig line lol...
The dollar is destined to fail regardless of jags pimping here. We are on the highway to hell w bernake Obama geithner etcI didn't dispute that. This doesn't mean it's ok to pimp her product here.
I didn't dispute that. This doesn't mean it's ok to pimp her product here.
Agreed. Why would people buy gold and leave it w someone like her. I mean come on now!
The question should be "Why would people buy gold at almost $1700/ounce?!?!?"
Because they see what is in store for the future w the monetary policies we pursue.
I buy more silver than gold TBH.
I didn't dispute that. This doesn't mean it's ok to pimp her product here.
Agreed. Why would people buy gold and leave it w someone like her. I mean come on now!
The question should be "Why would people buy gold at almost $1700/ounce?!?!?"
The question should be "Why would people buy gold at almost $1700/ounce?!?!?"
I have not once mentioned Karatbars in this thread or in the others I've recently started. I've only spoken of GOLD in it's generic form.No I didn't inform them. ::) You're using this reply to do so. ::) It's the same game you got away with before... Talk about gas prices all the time knowing your sigline goes to selling gaspills. Relax, I'm not deleting your scam even though I should.
I've been away so long, there are many here that have no knowledge whatsoever that I'm associated with Karatbars. You're the one informing them.
I don't care where you get your GOLD, just get it. Of course I would prefer people use the same supplier I use, but it's up to them to determine what the best decision for them. I happen to believe my source has the most options for the most people. But each individual has to determine their own situation and what works best for them.
Hmmm let's see...
1) Because the Federal Reserve has expanded the money supply by a ridiculous amount and the dominant view among economists is that a recession can only be combated through more inflation.
2) Because the President's budget plan never balances the budget. Red ink for as far as the eye can see.
3) Because the opposing party's "star" budget plan doesn't balance the budget for DECADES to come.
4) Because the United States suffers from having two unfunded but politically popular entitlement programs which are destined to bankrupt the federal government.
5) Because government spending has been rapidly increasing, no matter who is in power.
6) Because several state governments could be possibly pushing to the point of bankruptcy, and then might need bailouts.
7) Because the financial system is even weaker now than it was before the crisis, and thus might receive massive bailouts to the tunes of trillions of dollars.
8) Because the federal government is already on the hook for trillions of dollars in the case of another panic.
9) Because the federal government is facing political gridlock where the only thing the two parties can agree on is to increase spending year after year.
10) Because the governments in the United States at all levels have been taken over by special interest groups seeking to enrich themselves on the back of the taxpayer.
11) Because the political sentiment to change all of this before things start getting sour simply does not exist at this point in history.
Want me to keep listing?
Because in the long run GOLD retains it's value & purchasing power.
The price of GOLD has long been suppressed & manipulated downwards in order to conceal the rapid demise of fiat federal reserve note. the manipulators are losing control, and soon GOLD will revaluate to reflect it's true value. Gold may seem expensive at $1700, however, understand that is $1700 of devalued dollars... worth about the same amount as $20 circa 1913. Gold at $1700 oz is a much better acquisition than GOLD at $2,000/oz, or even $3,000/oz.
Gold and silver have been treasured assets for how long?If you're buying gold and silver expecting a total collapse and total chaos, you would be better to spend that money on salt, flower, other dry goods, medical supplies etc. If the shit really hits the fan, gold and silver will be of little trading value. If you expect to live out of this dark age then yea it wouldn't hurt to have some.
If you're buying gold and silver expecting a total collapse and total chaos, you would be better to spend that money on salt, flower, other dry goods, medical supplies etc. If the shit really hits the fan, gold and silver will be of little trading value. If you expect to live out of this dark age then yea it wouldn't hurt to have some.
The only reason I mention this is because you have posted in the past with the idea that we could be headed toward that kind of epic shit. If we have a total meltdown, end of America kind of shit, metal will be mostly worthless; enameled copper wire would be worth more than gold due to simple local electrical applications even dumbshits can firgure out... Nobody will want gold or silver if the world falls apart.
how much salt do you have?
I have a lot of other stuff.
how much salt do you have?
None. Have a lot of 25 year rated freeze dried food. Water, guns, ammo, Etc.Right, just to let you know, if a total end of shit as we know it, type of thing happens, salt would quickly become more valuable than gold. As a survivalist you should probably put that on the list. It's the oldest and easiest preservative and it will be in high demand with anyone who survives; those who survive will be doing a lot of canning and other methods of perserving all of which will require salt. You have gold and silver for its value right? With what you think might happen, those metals are not worth much in that case. Like I said, enameled copper wire would be worth more than pure gold. copper wire would be worth a lot to a small group wanting to rebuild or build a new generator but chunks of gold, not so much.
And to the poster above who said we have o inflation threat now? LMFAO. Fucking delusional.
Right, just to let you know, if a total end of shit as we know it, type of thing happens, salt would quickly become more valuable than gold. As a survivalist you should probably put that on the list. It's the oldest and easiest preservative and it will be in high demand with anyone who survives; those who survive will be doing a lot of canning and other methods of perserving all of which will require salt. You have gold and silver for its value right? With what you think might happen, those metals are not worth much in that case. Like I said, enameled copper wire would be worth more than pure gold. That would be worth a lot to a small group wanting to rebuild or build a new generator but chunks of gold, not so much.
Understand, Obama has just signed into law NDAA and declared martial law within the USA. That gives him the right to confiscate whatever he chooses. There has been precedent set in 1933 when US citizens had their gold confiscated under penalty of imprisonment.
Yeah, but this NDAA had the "indefinate detainment" part, which the others lacked. (Not talking about Jag, just about how this one is different than all the others.
No, it doesn't.
And he's signed NDAA a couple of times now, tool. It's a recurring spending act. ::)
Yeah, but this NDAA had the "indefinate detainment" part, which the others lacked. (Not talking about Jag, just about how this one is different than all the others.
I remember they put that in, but I thought there was a loophole that if they define you as a terrorist even if youre a US citizen they can grab you?
Uh...no. AUMF is the indefinite detention and they tried to get an upholder in NDAA. The final passed bill has a specific section that indefinite detention doesn't apply to U.S. citizens.
Have a lot of 25 year rated freeze dried food. Water, guns, ammo, Etc.
Fucking delusional.
I doubt that at $1700/ounce this sort of insurance makes sense; to each their own though. But even if I were to grant you everything on that list, it's unclear how owning gold would help you in the situations that you cite. Sure gold has traditionally been a "stable" asset against inflation and there's practically no evidence that inflation is a danger right now.
And besides, you'd still have another small problem: what protects you from an effective "confiscation" of the gold, not unlike the one that happened under Executive Order 6102?
A $1.00 in 1973 had the same purchasing power as $22.57 in 2012; let's say $23. So, an ounce of gold in 1913 cost 23 * 20 = 460 2012 dollars per ounce.
Besides, if the U.S. Government wanted to, it could make the value of gold plummet overnight. The average gold trading volume per day was 18 million ounces in late 2008 and the U.S. has approximately 287 million ounces of gold. Selling even a tenth of it's gold would massively move the market downwards.
If that shit happens gold is going to be the least of your worries, at least for some time anyway.
Actually, I recently joined a network of preppers who have a plan to use gold and silver as alternative currencies in the event of some kind of economic crisis. They also have plenty of rice, beans, canned foods, guns, and ammo stocked away of course. There's no reason not to take an "all of the above" approach just in case.something is only a currency if its accepted b/c of the expectation that it has value.
If you were to "grant" me everything on the list - something you must do if you are to face reality simply because everything on that list is unavoidable FACT and 100% true - then that's all the evidence you need for inflation being a danger right now.
Just looking at the fiscal and monetary pictures - a large run-up of national debt, no real plan to balance the budget for the coming decades, low interest rates which thus far have kept deficits from exploding, and an explosion in the money supply - high inflation is almost unavoidable.
You're using numbers from 1973 to compare an ounce of gold from 1913 to an ounce in 2012? Doesn't work that way buddy. Besides, historical prices are not an indicator of what the price of a particular good should be in the present.
If the federal government gets to the point where it needs to start selling off its gold, then prices will be much, much higher than they are now and inflation will be much, much greater than it is now.
Besides, the amount of gold that the federal government does have is very much in doubt. The Fed, for example, owns no gold of its own but only "gold certificates" (skip to 1:45): (snip youtube link)
No I didn't inform them. ::) You're using this reply to do so. ::) It's the same game you got away with before... Talk about gas prices all the time knowing your sigline goes to selling gaspills. Relax, I'm not deleting your scam even though I should.
I doubt that at $1700/ounce this sort of insurance makes sense; to each their own though. But even if I were to grant you everything on that list, it's unclear how owning gold would help you in the situations that you cite. Sure gold has traditionally been a "stable" asset against inflation and there's practically no evidence that inflation is a danger right now. And besides, you'd still have another small problem: what protects you from an effective "confiscation" of the gold, not unlike the one that happened under Executive Order 6102?
A $1.00 in 1973 had the same purchasing power as $22.57 in 2012; let's say $23. So, an ounce of gold in 1913 cost 23 * 20 = 460 2012 dollars per ounce.
Besides, if the U.S. Government wanted to, it could make the value of gold plummet overnight. The average gold trading volume per day was 18 million ounces in late 2008 and the U.S. has approximately 287 million ounces of gold. Selling even a tenth of it's gold would massively move the market downwards.
Yeah, but this NDAA had the "indefinate detainment" part, which the others lacked. (Not talking about Jag, just about how this one is different than all the others.
Uh...no. AUMF is the indefinite detention and they tried to get an upholder in NDAA. The final passed bill has a specific section that indefinite detention doesn't apply to U.S. citizens.
I remember they put that in, but I thought there was a loophole that if they define you as a terrorist even if youre a US citizen they can grab you?
The BRIC nations, (Brazil, Russia, India & China) along with Japan & Saudi Arabia have delivered a death blow to the US Dollar.
(http://www.midlands.coop/assets/funeral/products/coffin-merrion-zoom.jpg)
BRIC Summit wraps up with a consensus on bilateral trade agreements.
Bottom line: NO US Dollars!!!
http://further-left-forum.blogspot.ca/2012/03/no-dollar-trade.html (http://further-left-forum.blogspot.ca/2012/03/no-dollar-trade.html)
Get ready for hyperinflation, ...coming to an American town near you... SOON!
I'm just glad my money is banked in GOLD! As the US Dollar devalues to zero, my purchasing power is retained.
Is this on any other news source? Not a flame, but this is serious bidness, and If I can see this corroborated on a legitimate news source, Im gonna be worried.
But honestly, that site leaves me with doubts.
America is evil, buy gold, put HGH in your gas tank.
The question should be "Why would people buy gold at almost $1700/ounce?!?!?"
Because in the long run GOLD retains it's value & purchasing power.
The price of GOLD has long been suppressed & manipulated downwards in order to conceal the rapid demise of fiat federal reserve note. the manipulators are losing control, and soon GOLD will revaluate to reflect it's true value. Gold may seem expensive at $1700, however, understand that is $1700 of devalued dollars... worth about the same amount as $20 circa 1913. Gold at $1700 oz is a much better acquisition than GOLD at $2,000/oz, or even $3,000/oz.
We have the ability to essentially take zero value dollars and exchange it for GOLD.
The smart money is doing just that, before people & businesses stop accepting dollars for GOLD... or anything else.
Governments and people arond the world are already phasing out the US Dollar, it won't be long before people in the USA start doing the same.
Bet you $50 cash Gold on Dec 31, 2012 will be cheaper than it is today..
Actually avxo, the real question to ask is NOT what does it cost? ...but rather 'WHAT IS IT WORTH?'
If we are all in agreement that people should be acquiring & accumulating GOLD... let's move on. What's stopping people from acquiring gold? Are you waiting for the price to drop before acquiring it?
Some of the most brilliant minds have determined we've pretty much seen a bottom as far as gold prices go. And I'm not refering to the clowns we see in MSM, the same ones like Kramer with his stupid bells, or the ones who were pushing financials like Bears, ...I'm talking those who actually know what's going on. the Marc Fabers, the Eric Sprotts. Peter Schiffs, James Turks, John Embrys, and Alasdair MacLeods etc., ...me. :D
We all seem to believe that we've seen a bottom in gold prices. I'm afraid that those waiting for the price to drop may be out of luck, ...unless they are acquiring their gold through karatbars. Karatbars customers can actually get their gold for FREE. Wouldn't you agree that FREE is a better price than $1700. Can you get gold anywhere else at a better price than FREE?
Buy Gold, hate America, put dexa-trim in your gas tank.
That was the underlying crux of the question which I asked "why would people buy gold at $1700/ounce?" It's not, realistically, worth $1700/ounce, the spot price notwithstanding.
Except we're not all in agreement. As a growth investment vehicle is not sensible and most people want growth (perhaps because most people aren't into conspiracy theories and don't see collapse around each and every corner, but that's a discussion for another time). Investing in the stock market at large over 10 or 20 years is a much better bet if the end goal is growth and this is a well-known, substantiated fact.
Of course the "most brilliant minds" are those who agree with your particular viewpoint, and those who don't are "clowns." Some would say that people who make such statements are clowns themselves.
And even if you honestly believe that $1700/ounce (or even $1500/ounce) is a solid support for the spot price of gold and that they're only upside... well, you can believe that the moon is made of cheese and that the tooth fairy leaves a dollar under your pillow, but that doesn't mean that your beliefs are true. What matters is cold, hard facts. And the facts don't point out to a price of $1700 being reasonable.
Nobody can get anything for free, and anyone who believes otherwise is a fool. And a foold will sooner or later, lose everything and if he's lucky understand exactly how big a fool he actually was.
Too late to buy gold unless it's from samsonjag.
It's all those Indian and Chinese peasants with gold chains. That's where all the power is ::)
She is such a fool. No one should listen to her nonsense. An ETF holds more gold and the Indian and Chinese governments combined.
Oh but it's the peasants without running water that will overthrow the US currency ::) They haven't even figured out how to not sh*t into a river or realized it's not good for your health to then drink it.
So should i send these "shake weights" back too? :D
Anyone notice that gold is down 83 dollars in the last month?
My crew are big time in gold and they are stepping away from it. The gold market only has another couple of years in it and it too will stop.
This is the new gold rush and it's not forever.
America is evil, buy gold, put HGH in your gas tank.
Buy Gold, hate America, put dexa-trim in your gas tank.
Let's look closer at the scam this piece of shit is running. You'll notice her making comments along the lines of "your gold will be held in overseas" vaults. Jim Rogers has made a similar suggestion. So let's dwell on this for a moment.
Let's say that it does hit the fan and this country (and the world) goes to hell in a hand basket. Does anyone think they'd be in any position to make their way to go Singapore to get their gold out of vault? No, of course not. If this country collapsed like old lazy eye is predicting, then what means of transportation are you going to use to get to these unnamed overseas vaults?
What is going to happen is that Ms. "Enterprises" is going to "hold" your gold and when everything goes off the reservation, she, along with your gold "bullion", is going to vanish into the wind.
ETF's are just paper. Read the fine print. They don't have to deliver any gold. They can default, and give you devalued paper in exchange. Or worse... they can default and give you nothing!.
I do not hold gold for anyone.
Gold CAN be vaulted for free through SecureLog in Frankfurt, a well established & trusted vaulting facility with over 8000 employees, used & trusted by the World Gold Council.
If you don't trust any facility to store your gold, TAKE DELIVERY ON IT!
You can purchase gold and have it immediately delivered to you. Depending on the quantity you purchase, it will be delivered immediately through FedEx, or for amounts larger than $50,000 delivery is fulfilled using G4S the largest private armoured security services firm in the world. G4S is the service of choice for banks around the world.
And yet the ETF physically holds more gold than both of them. Whether buyers of the ETF get physical possession or not is not the point. The ETF itself still has more gold than the backwater of india.
That is an inaccurate statement. ETF's are paper derivatives. They are pieces of paper that is supposed to represent actual gold, however, just as Jeff Christian testified before the CFTC in spring 2010, they are derivative financial instruments that trade in multiples of up to 100 of the underlying value. In other words, they run the printing presses on ETF's.
It's a giant game of musical chairs, and when the music stops playing, people come up short, and you can bet it won't be billionaires like the Koch brothers who got tipped off to collect their money the day before MF Global tanked. It will be average citizens.InvestingGambling in ETF's not something I would ever do or recommend for anyone.
Hahaha so many vague statements.
This charlatan acts like she's bequeathing new knowledge onto all of us here, ignoring the fact that we've been talking about this stuff for years. Nothing she is saying hasn't already been said.
The only difference is that the rest of us weren't pushing a criminal enterprise on the backs of our posts.
Anyone notice that gold is down 83 dollars in the last month?
My crew are big time in gold and they are stepping away from it. The gold market only has another couple of years in it and it too will stop.
This is the new gold rush and it's not forever.
I think that a few years from now we'll all wish we could go "back in time" and buy gold at $1,700. And I believe those who truly understand the value of gold as a long term store of value will still feel that way if gold falls to $1,500, as some writers are projecting.
Nothing is guaranteed.
But until real interest rates are positive again, government leaders instigate honest solutions to our debts and deficits, the global economy becomes an engine of growth, the sovereign debt issues in Europe are genuinely resolved, and global currencies - especially the US dollar - are strong again, I'm buying gold.
Yes, there will be volatility.
Join me in calling your favorite bullion dealer and making the mistake of buying gold at $1,700 / oz
If you really believe that, I have a proposal for you. I am offering to enter into a legally binding contract to sell you one London Good Delivery Bar - that's 12.5 kgs of gold; I will accept payment now, at a 3% discount from the current spot price, and will deliver the bar at a time of your choosing, after May 1, 2013. If you really believe that gold will go up, then this is a win-win situation and you will take me up on it. We can meet at a notary public that is convenient for you and sign the contract. I'll even pay the notary fees, but please be sure to bring the cash.
You can be guaranteed over 27.5 lbs of gold at a price that is about $50 lower than spot. Can't beat that!
Great. I'm selling. Send me a PM and we can work out the details.
So don't delay, call today! Lock in your low rate for your London Good Delivery Bar at a great price!
I'm standing by for your PM.
24, if you message me in the next 5 minutes, I'll actually do 5% below the current spot. Don't delay, message me today!
I guess you must not be in a buying mood at ~ $1600/oz, or you would have attempted to contact me to lock in the low rate. Oh well... You lost out on buying 400 ounces of gold at 5% below spot.
You can still take advantage of my 3% discount though.
I'm standing by!
Then how about 400 ounces of gold in karatbars, for $1500 / ounce? You pay today and can take e-delivery anytime after December 1st, 2013?
And as for sleeping... you should know better! You snooze, you lose!
Now you got my attention! ...but why would I want to pay for 400 / oz of karatbars at $1500 / oz, when I can get it directly from Karatbars at a far more economical price, ...perhaps even free? Or when I can have it added to my Karatbars account by various merchants as I go about the course of my everyday online shopping? And why would I choose to acquire those karatbars from you, when I can acquire it from Karatbars directly, ...and make money on my own acquisition?
And lastly, what the heck is e-delivery? ??? If I'm going to acquire 400 oz of Karatbars, why would I want to wait til December to take delivery. If I'm getting 400 oz of Karatbars, I'm going to want it either immediately in the vault within 3 days, or immediately delivered to me via G4S armed security couriers, not 7 months from now. Of course I will want some sitting in my Karatbars account, because in the near future, we will have the ability to trade mere fractions of a gram for goods & services with merchants worldwide.
If gold does what I fully expect it to do, and we use Mike Maloney's conservative estimate of $20,000 / oz, that could equate to roughly $600 / gram. If I'm buying something that cost $78, I can simply transfer 0.13 grams of gold to the merchant, rather than have to deal with a hyperinflated fiat currency that results in price changes by the minute. That's what can occur in a hyperinflationary period. When goods & services are priced in gold however, we see no such wild fluctuations. It's a sound money system, not subject to inflation, or devaluation, insolvent governments.
Since you seemed determined to sell me some gold, and are even willing to sell me Karatbars, ...I'll make it easy for you to close the deal.
If these terms are agreeable to you, hit me up in PM within the next 5 mins, ;D
Because (a) I doubt you could get gold right now for the price I quoted ($1500 per ounce) and you certainly can't get it for free.
Having no idea what karatbars are, I assumed it's some sort of e-gold thing, where you can transfer gold electronically. If they're not, then fine - whatever the customary transfer mechanism for karatbars is.
Do you really expect gold at $20,000 / oz?
If so, I have an even better proposal for you. Forget about what I said before. Check this out! For $10,000 in cash today, I will guarantee, in writing, the delivery of 1000 ounces of gold - in whatever medium you prefer (bars, coins, karat-thingies) - at any time you wish, after the spot price of gold exceeds $10,000 / oz. That would work out to $1000 / ounce!
I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. You've been talking awfully loud in here, so... are you willing to put your money where your noisehole is?
No need for a PM. I'm perfectly willing to do this in public, for everyone to see.
Your doubts about my ability to acquire gold at less than $1500 oz or even free, do not in my estimation amount to sufficient reasons to acquire it from you via a speculative future transaction.
There is no doubt in my mind of about what my options are with Karatbars, I know what I can get via Karatbars, and what they are worth, so again I ask for all the reasons specified above, why would I acquire it from you in the manner you propose?
Gee whiz Avxo, if you're going to disparage something
[...] KaratbarsTM are trademarked 999.9% pure 24kt gold bullion bars
For the first time, Gold has become afforable for the masses.
I do expect it to happen. What I don't know is when? Infact, I think it is quite reasonable for it to even go higher than that. as to when... well, that's a crap shoot. But in the meantime, whether it gets there in my lifetime, or in my grandchildren's lifetime, I do know that gold in the meantime will serve as a secure store of value.
Oh Avxo, stop. you're making me giggle uncontrollably now. I told you my terms. ...and your math is fuzzy. :D
As I stated before, I'm not into speculative futures trading.
I hope you won't take offense by this, but how do I even know you will be able to get gold either now or in the future?
You say you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, ...but from what I can see, I'm the only one being asked to put up any cash. lol. :D
That's a fair point.(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/gold+dice2525.jpg)
I'll answer your question in a second. I understand that you don't want to engage in a speculative future transaction, but I assume that hinges only on the issue of whether I can actually produce the gold, if the conditions are met. So let's play a game, shall we?
Let's assume, arguendo, that I have the 100 ounces of physical gold held in a secure storage facility that you approve of. Let's further assume that I am willing to enter into a contract with you that says: "In exchange for $10,000 paid on May 2nd, 2012, avxo agrees to deliver, on demand by 24KT, a total of 100 ounces of gold, at any time after the price of gold exceeds $10,000 per ounce. avxo irrevocably agrees to allow the secure gold storage facility to store the 100 ounces of gold and hold them in escrow. If avxo fails to deliver 100 ounces of gold to 24KT on demand after the price of gold exceeds $10,000 per ounce, the facility is authorized to transfer ownership of the 100 ounces of gold to 24KT."
Surely, if you actually believe that gold will hint $20,000 per ounce (an estimate you called conservative) then this is a great deal for you: you will be buying 100 ounces of gold at $100 per ounce; this is a ridiculous discount over current spot price of ~$1600 per ounce. The last time that gold was at $100 was almost 20 years ago!
So would you then be willing to enter into a contract?
If not, why?
I didn't disparage anything. I know nothing about Karatbars, and don't feel inclined to learn about them, since I have no intention of purchasing gold at the current astronomical prices. I assumed, for the purposes of this example, that it was some kind of electronically transferrable currency backed by gold. Big deal...
999.9%? Really? Damn, that's impressive. Every ounce of it must contain like 9.999 ounces of gold!
At $1700 an ounce, I'd hardly call it affordable. And I certainly wouldn't call it sensible. But to each their own.
So you should jump at the opportunity to buy it at the deep discount I'm offering. Again, assume I have the gold and am willing to keep it in escrow for you. You pay $10,000 now and you get 100 ounces of gold as soon as gold exceeds $10,000 per ounce. Again, you'd effectively be paying $100 per ounce!
My math isn't fuzzy at all. I'm willing to sell you 100 ounces of gold for $10,000 -> ($10,000) / (100 ounces) = $100 per ounce.
As I said, I can respect that. But surely, such a deep discount is too good to pass up. Remember, gold was at $100 per ounce was in 1974 - almost 40 years ago! I'm offering a deal that's hard to beat! Unless you don't think that buying at $100 per ounce isn't a good investment!
No, I don't take offense at all. It's a perfectly valid concern. Again, assume that I have 100 ounces of gold stored in escrow, and that if I don't hold up my end of the bargain, a phone call to the storage facility will release the 100 ounces of gold held in escrow to you.
It's true that I don't have to put up cash right now - but I would have to eventually. But if that's your major concern, assume I have the 100 ounces held under the previously described escrow arrangement.
If the numbers scare you, I have another idea. I have 2 1 oz gold canadian maple leaf coins in front of me. I am willing to allow a board member we both trust to hold onto them for 5 years. You pay me $500 by PayPal, and if at any time in the next 5 years the price of gold exceeds $5,000 / ounce, the coins are yours for the $500 you sent: effectively, you'd buy gold at $250 per ounce. If, on the other hand, gold doesn't cross the $5,000 per ounce mark in the 5 year period, I get to keep the coins and the money. How's that sound?
[Update: Hell, I'm, willing to get 2 ounces of "Karatbars" if you don't like Maples. Same deal. We can even keep them online using whatever storage Karatbar - a company you trust - offers.]
Again, I understand you say you're not into speculation (although, in reality you are: whenever you buy an asset thinking it's low, you're engaging in speculative behavior). But surely there's some combination of the numbers at which you're willing to speculate. What is it?
Let's be real, if you want gold or silver physical, take actual possession and get American eagles, Canadian maples, Austrian Philharmonics, south African kugarands, even Chinese pandas or Mexican liberatads.
Forget this crazy shit about letting someone else hold it.
As Mike Maloney is so fond of saying "If you don't hold it, ...you don't own it."
I agree with 33386 about taking physical possession for those who don't trust any vaulting facility to store their precious metals for them, ...but I vehemently disagree with his advice to acquire Government issued gold.
Remember, with Government issued gold, you are NOT the owner, merely the bearer, and the government can recall it's gold at any time.
I firmly beleive privately issued LBMA gold is what people should be getting, ...but to each it's own. You can be rest assured that the 1% of the 1% acquire privately issued or numismatics not subject to confiscation.
The thing is that American eagles, Canadian maples, SA kugarands, Austrian phils are widely accepted and recognized.
If you have to redeem your gold or silver for. Currency or barter or other items, it's easier to unload commonly respected coins like. I listed.
No I would not
What you are proposing is a bet
that ties up my bad money (which at the moment is still being accepted) for 5 yrs in order to gamble on a time line of which I am not confident. I am confident about gold's movement... just not when it will occur. Tieing any amount of money up in escrow or otherwise in a medium, form, or fashion that is not highly liquidateable if need be, would be in my opinion counter to my particular strategy. It would be tantamount to parking money in a CD that I couldn't touch, all the while inflation eats away at it's value. I am confident gold will rise, over the long term, I believe GOLD has to revalue, and that true price discovery is inevitable, ...but as I said previously, when that will be, I do not know. Who is to say it will occur during the next 5 years? it could, ...but it may not. it could take 6 years. If I made such a bet with you and it took 6 years, that would certainly suck for me wouldn't it? All indicators tell me there isn't much further the FED or the ECB can go, and I know the Obama admin intends to destroy the dollar, and the BIS & the IMF are just itching to introduce their SDRs to the world, but I only do my gambling at Caesars, and only at the Black Jack table.
It's not backed by gold, ...it is GOLD! 999.9% pure 24kt monetary gold
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I can certainly understand the "not wishing to speculate" part, although I will again point out that in buying (and recommending) gold, you're doing just that: speculating (although not necessarily with a mind towards appreciation). But I want to make sure I understand something: I'm offering to sell you the option to buy gold (even going so far as to offer it in the preferred medium of your choice) for $250 per ounce,
[...] which is approximately 15% of the current spot price and you're turning me down? You claim that gold is a great buy at $1,700 an ounce, that it has only upside and that you feel that a $20,000 per ounce it has only upside. And yet, you refuse to spend $500 to get gold that would cost you $3,400 on the open market, and which you think will eventually be worth $40,000.
You know what this tells me? It tells you that you are full of shit when you say that gold is a great buy at $1,700 per ounce.
Right. It's a bet that calls your repeated assertions that gold only has upside, and the statement you quoted (and tacitly approved of) that $20,000 per ounce is a conservative estimate on the value of gold.
OK... so you don't want to tie up your money. I have another idea.
How about this? I will buy 2 ounces of gold in Karatbars, which I will transfer to you immediately. You don't have to put any money down. If gold hits $3,000 per ounce in the next two years, you win and you got two ounces of gold for free. If, on the other hand, gold doesn't hit $3,000 per ounce in that timeframe, then you will return the 2 ounces of gold to me along with an additional $500 in cash.
Something tells me that you won't agree even to this proposal.
First of all, it's unclear what "pure monetary gold" means. It's a nonsensical term. And second of all, I'll repeat again: 999.9%? You are claiming that a Karatbar is 999.9% pure gold? How is it possible for something to be 9.9 times itself? Do you even understand how percentages work?
For all your "expertise" (and I use the term loosely) in gold you just showed how clueless you are. The 999.9 is the gold's millesimal fineness. It isn't a *PERCENTAGE*. It's a PER MILLE (‰) measurement. Literally, it means "out of thousands." It's basically saying that 999.9 out of 1000 parts gold.
But even if you didn't know any of that, it should be completely obvious even to someone who hasn't even taken mathematics but has basic life skills that it is IMPOSSIBLE for anything to be 999.9 percent pure - since percent is out of a hundred.
I feel sorry for anyone who chooses to follow your advice - you're clearly clueless and, what's worse, have no idea that you are clueless.
first you say $1600 oz, then $1500oz, then you drop it down to $10/oz, then bring it up to $100/oz, then you go to $250/oz in government issued gold no less, and expect me to find each escalation in price more enticing? WTF? I don't think you have this negotiating thing down.
You keep forgetting all my other stated reasons... the demand for flexibility, and liquidateability, the desire to remove counter-party risk, my requirement for ecologically friendly green gold. My aversion to government issued gold, my ability to get FREE gold added to my karatbars accounts without having to go to the open markets. and my lack of confidence in any particular timeline etc., etc.,
Well if that's what it tells you, ...that's what it tells you. It doesn't make you right, it just means you don't understand me.
That's ok. Not very many people do.
to me, FREE is better than $1700.
People like me who have karatbars accounts however, can get theirs free through a variety of mechanisms currently in place, with more soon to be in place.
Tell you what... how about this... You exchange fiat paper currency for 3 ounces of Karatbars through our purchase plan. You keep the karatbars ...either in your Karatbars account, or take delivery (your choice), and if gold hits $3,000 per ounce in the next 3 years, you smile, thank me, say "Well look at that!", I'll let you decide at that time whether you want to send me a bottle of Karatbars champagne or not. and if it doesn't hit $3,000 within that timeframe, you're free to liquidate your karatbars by exchanging them back to cash.
Now you're just trying to be nasty. I know how math works.
We're talking about gold. 4 nines is the standard 999.9
Did you negotiate with the teller, offer her a bet?
I can just see it now. "You give me $5000 today, and if this bank doesn't get robbed in the next 10 years, I'll come back and deposit $20,000 into a savings account, ::) Is that how it went?
Well, I kept taking the price per ounce down, to see if you'd bite - surely there must be a price at which you find gold to be an attractive investment. But so far, it doesn't look like you're interested.And yes, I am adjusting the price depending on the timeframe of the bet and my estimate of the risk I'm taking in offering this bet to you. It's fairly standard practice in the financial world - adjusting numbers to make risk pallatable. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?
And as for government-issued gold, you're blatantly lying and being dishonest. I offered to do this using Karatbars, which I would transfer to you.
No, I'm not forgetting; I merely want to see what the contours of your confidence in gold and its price on the open market are. You see, you make grandiose statements about gold; you say you're buying heavily at these record high prices and that you consider it a great value. You endorse statements that conservatively estimate gold at $20,000 per ounce. But when someone challenges you, you back off, and say you lack confidence in a particular timeline.
You're right. I have problems understanding irrational actions...
You can't acquire gold for free.
But if you could, then that would be even worse for your case. Because it would mean that gold is worthless. You see, nobody gives anything of value away for free. If you're getting gold for free, it means the gold doesn't have value. And you're basing this whole "scheme" on the fact that gold has some intrinsic value.
No thanks - I don't consider gold a good investment at the current prices, either as a counter against inflation or as a vehicle for growth. I'll stick to the nice returns I'm netting from the stock market.
Apparently not - since you claim that Karatbars are 999.9% pure gold. A physical impossibility.
Right. And they represent millesimal fineness. Not "999.9% percent purity." You pass yourself off as an expert, but you don't know the basics!
I negotiated, yes. As a result, I ended up getting a package reserved for people who maintain much larger balances than I do; and I got all the fees waived. But I didn't offer a bet.
Unlike you, my bank didn't try to convince me that buying gold at what are close to record-high prices was a smart investment; indeed, the investments they did offer to sell me were investments that they themselves were willing to take a risk on - including a CDS based fund. Luckily for me, I didn't dive in that bottomless pit.
And I'd point out that my last offer was quite different - you'd get gold right away (in your preferred format) for free. And if gold went to to $3,000 per ounce within the timeframe, you'd get to keep it. If it didn't, you'd lose $500. But you aren't confident enough in the price breaching $3,000 to risk $500... that tells us all exactly how much faith you put in gold.
You also have to remember, in a poop hits the fan scenario, karatbars account holders will still be able to conduct business, and carry on trade and commerce.
You see, unlike other storage facilities, Karatbars account holders are fully insured in the event of a robbery. With every other vaulting facility I have researched, ...when you go through the fine print, you will discover they are not liable. Iin the event of a theft, ...YOU are SOL. Karatbars account holders however are fully covered, and will also retain the ability to conduct commerce, by trading fractions of a gram for goods & services with merchants all over the world.
Understand as well, when you buy gold coins from a dealer, those purchases are registered and documented. The US Gov knows who has them, as well as how much you bought.
If they ever decide to come and take them, ...they know exactly where to go.
Some may find themselves in the undesireable position of having to get rid of a bunch of lead, in order to hang into their gold and/or silver.
Whereas with a Karatbars account, purchases under a certain amount, do not need to be registered, and no one is going to know you have them, ...unless you tell someone.
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
How will they be able to do all these things?
Karatbars doesn't protect you from government agents going in, raiding the vault and confiscating your gold and their insurance won't either. But I guess your main concern now isn't the government; it's the Beagle Boys breaking in the vault... Good news, it might surpise you to know that your homeowner's insurance (especially with a rider added) could offer you protection from the theft of your gold from any vaulting facility.
And what merchants are you referring to that are accepting Karatbars? Name 10, and let's see what services your gold will buy.
Please provide a reference to support this assertion. Businesses might hold records, made in the course of their regular operations, but not specifically for gold purchases and certainly not at the behest of the U.S. Government.
Such records wouldn't be available to it without a warrant anyways.Karatbars, I'm sure, maintains such records during their regular course of business as well.
And they don't know where to go with Karatbars, or any other vaulting provider? To continue my thought above, every legitimate company, regardless of where they operate from, maintains records, and those records can be subpoenaed. So, unless you're asserting that Karatbars doesn't maintain records like a legitimate company, I don't see how the authorities couldn't figure out exactly where to go.
Authorities the world over don't take too kindly to threats like the above, even when they are speculative, nebulous and veiled.
Noone except Karatbars (see above) and, of course, your bank, which was the medium through which funds were transfered to Karatbars to begin with.
Dear 24KT,
You take the tone of an expert on economics, finance, investment matters relating to gold, and seem privy to top-secret knowledge indicating the future status of the global economy.
Can you tell me about your credentials (primarily education, but experience as well if you'd like) for discussing these matters with such certainty?
If you are buying gold now... You're 3 years too late.I think I agree with this.
Gold has peaked and it's just going down.
If you are buying gold now... You're 3 years too late.
Gold has peaked and it's just going down.
I think I agree with this.
Buy low, sell high.
The other way around, doesnt work so well. JMHO.
Like I've stated many times in this thread... I'm just a girl with a Karatbars account.
Fortunately for me, I do have access to some of the best financial advisors, and experts in the above mentioned fields.
I have a Ph.D. from the School of Hard Knocks, ...and my eyes wide open.
Anyway, ...it's been a slice. Those who want more info are free to visit my website(s) or PM me. Don't mean to cut the conversation short, but I have to get myself ready for the Las Vegas Money Show starting tomorrow. I gotta fly.... cya
This lady is a quack.
Visit www.Imaskeevyfuckthatwantsallyourmoneybecauseyou reagulliblepieceofshit.c om (http://www.Imaskeevyfuckthatwantsallyourmoneybecauseyou reagulliblepieceofshit.com) for legitimate advise, run by me, a guy with an optionsxpress account. Look forward to having your business.
Um, well, it's only 735% pure, if that's ok!
Do you know how many times I've heard that? I've been hearing gold was at it's peak since it was $800/ozYou may have heard it before, but this is the real.
It's only going down, ...until it goes back up again. Besides, what girl can't resist a good sale?
Who is planning on selling it? Most Karatbars account holders I know are accumulating them using Marc Faber's advise.
Tu & Shockwave, please see my earlier post to give you more insight into my perspective.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=421212.msg6095781#msg6095781 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=421212.msg6095781#msg6095781)
Now I really have to run
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You may have heard it before, but this is the real.
I have friends who have made MILLIONS buying and selling and dealing in THIS gold market... MILLIONS. I can send you to them if you really feel like you want an education.
They got in at the bottom and rode it to the top.
They are going back into retail gold sales because the price of gold is continuously dropping.
Look at the trends... It's DOWN... it's going DOWN... The Gold bubble has burst... if you didn't already buy and sell, you might as well not bother.
Gold is down over 200 dollars in the past 6 months.
The US dollar is gaining strength and that's just the facts... Dollar up... Gold down... Gold will continue to drop as the economy makes a push to the positive, which it is.
This lady is a quack.
Visit www.Imaskeevyfuckthatwantsallyourmoneybecauseyou reagulliblepieceofshit.c om (http://www.Imaskeevyfuckthatwantsallyourmoneybecauseyou reagulliblepieceofshit.com) for legitimate advise, run by me, a guy with an optionsxpress account. Look forward to having your business.
say I buy a gram and I live in Austin Texas. Say I want to keep it at my house. What would it cost to have them send me this credit card thingy with the gram of gold on it
say I buy a gram and I live in Austin Texas. Say I want to keep it at my house. What would it cost to have them send me this credit card thingy with the gram of gold on it
Agnostic007,
If you are thinking of acquiring 1 or a few karatbars, please consult with me first so we can make sure you fill in the correct spaces.
If you are thinking of acquiring 1 or a few karatbars, please consult with me first so we can make sure you fill in the correct spaces.
We have had some people accidently acquire karatbars for immediate delivery to them, when they intended to have them kept in storage instead, ...and vice versa.
I thought you were "just a girl", and not giving into advice to people...
now you're all about helping people "fill in the correct spaces." Is there a commission for your consulting services?
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"We" ehh? So much for being "just a girl with a karatbar account". Clearly you're involved with the day-to-day operations of this scheme.
I can't say I'm surprised. The writing was really on the wall, between your incessant hocking, your penchant for repetition of the name of the product (with the requisite ™ sign of course) and your verbatim quotes of questionable material written by someone who moonlights in marketing.
I'm sure the operation will fold any day now, alas, the relentless spamming won't stop. You'll just move on to bigger and better things. Perhaps peddling colonics equipment – strictly as a girl who enjoys colonics, of course! ::)
I AM "just a girl with a karatbars account", and I do not dispense investment, financial planning or tax advise. I'm just sharing what I'm doing, and the many benefits and advantages I experience by using this particular supplier, and how others can do the same.
As for wanting to make sure he fills in the correct spaces? YOU'RE DARN RIGHT I DO! LOL. The absolute VERY LAST thing I'd want to see occur is him inadvertently make the wrong kind of a purchase, and come in here screaming about how he bought gold and never got delivery. NO THANK YOU. Like the trolls here wouldn't have a field day with that one? Puleaze! I don't charge a commission for "those kinds" of consulting services. I help people with their karatbars accounts whether there is any financial compensation for me or not.
Understand, karatbars is not an MLM company. It is a private gold savings plan - by invitation only.
One has the option to be an affiliate (if one chooses) and be rewarded by the company for doing something they would be doing anyway, that is telling others about a great solution they've found. we do that every day. Only difference is some people are rewarded for it, while others are not.
I WISH I were involved in the day-to-day operations. In most every company I've been involved with, I've been "in-the-loop" so to speak, and have ALWAYS been privy to high level talks & discussions taking place, I've always been able to present my ideas at the table, personally, or by proxy. This time around, I'm not at the table, ...and it's driving me craaaaazy. There are about 5 major leaders who regularly have discussions with Harald the CEO, ...and unfortunately for me, ...these guys know how to keep secrets. A few of us have gotten good at prying a few secrets out of them, ...but sometimes they just won't budge.
infact, I was joking with our top affiliate in North America last week that if she kept teasing me, and not telling me what was coming, I'd stop talking to her for 6 months.
I've had many ideas which I've thrown out there, only to discover that they had already thought of it, and it was currently in the works. When that happens repeatedly, after a while, you just sit back with full complete confidence, knowing they've really thought of everything.
Occasionally Harald will keep some things close to his chest and not even reveal it to them, ...then he'll spring on us, and blow us all away with his incredible foresight and forward planning.
Understand what Karatbars is - and - What it is not
The World’s First and Only Private Monetary System - Not backed by Gold – it is Gold
Karatbars International needs more people that are willing and able to aid, support and assist others.
If we don’t stand for something, we’ll fall for anything.
Being a core Karatbars Affiliate means waking up each morning with a burning passion and purpose.
Who can I help today? Most people don't know what we know.
For every action... there is an equal and opposite reaction.
I take it back... this isn't just any MLM. It's a fucking cult!
W8-- I have never seen such an impolite, abusive and well thought out post on this website ( especially by a female). If you are in fact a woman, I decree that we begin private negotiations for an online relationship. All courting will be done publicly on the political forum and privately through PM's.
Thanks.
lol .. no offense George .. but Will-n-Booty (hopefully) will be the last of any courtships being exhibited on Getbig if anyone has any sense :)
you are a salesperson who has full intention of spreading your pitch here regardless of how many despise it
your signature is also a spam signal for google rankings ... Ron has spoken out that he even knows you aren't the knowledge base you like to proclaim yourself as
this is just another gas pill situation .. you must know how you clutter up a decent board for no more than your own selfish self centered agenda .. you will twist any topic to work a salespitch in ... so I always wonder why .. why do you do it ? is it that imperative for your success ? is it a requirement that you post sales ads all over ? is this the only forum you bombard ?
you call anyone who disagrees a troll .. if anyone dares confront you , you smash the report button .. so why not just blog on your own site so you can plagiarise and hawk your wares till your hearts content ?
save your piss poor retort saying "ignore" my posts .. save your stupid bold headlines .. save your asinine childlike innocent ACT .. you were gone for a good while .. emphasis on good .. why do you return to only cement the fact that for years everyone has been right about you .. you live in the past ( MANY YEARS AGO ) attempting to impress people with some lowly "acting" career that was less memorable than a hamburger commercial .. name dropping like anyone believes you or any of the mentioned folks would care to recall you
snake oil .. gas pills .. bah .. now a new private form of currency only special folks can acquire ... really can you just stop ? or is this an addiction ?
you must have better things to do that can be a positive experience and bring you some joy .. this spamming can't be what your vision was when you thought of what you would be doing at this late stage in life
You do nothing but dispense advice - you just pretend it's not advice. As for being "just a girl with a karatbars account" - cut the bullshit. Not even 2 paragraphs down you admit that's not the case, when you say you're "rewarded" for telling others. This stinks of multi-level marketing.
Why do you care if he comes in here screaming? How does that affect the value of your "investment" directly? After all, even if Karatbars went away, your "investment" is safe, right? So, again, why is it any concern of yours (beyond getting compensated) what a prospective customer puts on the form? Unless the customer isn't a customer but a mark?
If it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck and it looks like a duck, I'd say it's a safe bet to say it's a duck.
QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! See above!
Typical MLM setup... Don't worry, you'll get the announcement soon enough, when the leaders are ready to tell you what to do next.
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LOL! this is getting more and more hilarious by the second.
I take it back... this isn't just any MLM. It's a fucking cult!
What it is: Plastic cards with flakes of gold sold at quite a ridiculous premium over spot prices?
What it's not: A good investment.
How am I doing?
Even if it were such a monetary system (and it lacks a few properties that are typically associated with a monetary system, even if you ignore the fact that it's not actually widely accepted as a currency), it wouldn't be the first such system. Stop lying.
Can't they afford to hire people to aid, support and assist others?
Also "GO TEAM!" and other such platitudes.
LOL @ waking up with a purpose... As for the burning passion, are you sure that's not a urinary tract infection?
The typical line of those with secret knowledge... Bernie Madoff used that line too, you know.
And gravity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between two bodies. So what?
Karatbars affiliates & customers don't dispense financial advise. We simply share with others the solution we're using, and we let others decide for themselves if it may be a possible solution for them as well.
Karatbars is NOT an MLM company. I'm also rewarded by my phone company if I refer a friend. That doesn't make them an MLM company either.
What do you mean what do I care? If he made the wrong type of purchase, No, it wouldn't affect my savings, but that's irrelevant. It would affect his experience with the company; a company that could be a solution for him, as well as those he thought enough about to share with. If he wanted gold for delivery, but instead ordered gold for storage, do you think he'd be happy? By the same token, if he ordered gold for storage, and ended up dishing out a delivery fee he hadn't intended on, then had to worry about how to safeguard it, would he be happy? Of course not.
Why so adamant to trash a company or a product you admittedly know very little about?
Are you paid to steer people away from possible solutions? Or are you simply testing out your next stand-up gig?
very poorly.
Why would they do that? ...spend exhorbitant amounts on newspaper or magazine ads that don't get seen and are tossed out with the paper daily? Or waste money on commercials that only get tivo'd out or skipped entirely and never seen? Why not save all that otherwise wasted money, and use it to reward actual account holders? That's how an efficient company works.
Well it's pretty clear to me that you DON'T know what we know, ...because if you did, you sure wouldn't be attempting such a disservice to the readers here, You wouldn't be trying to confuse them or dissuade them, and you certainly wouldn't be attacking. So either you don't know (at best) or... you enjoy your life as a troll. If things keep going the way they are in the USA, you might just find yourself a nice home under a bridge somewhere.
But back to the subject at hand. What solution do you have for the tanking paper money system?
LOL @ waking up with a purpose... As for the burning passion, are you sure that's not a urinary tract infection?
Given the backdrop, it appears to me like someone has "internationalized" himself,
...either that or he's a network marketer. :D
QE3: The Funny Money Team Has Officially Crossed the Rubicon
"If you are buying gold, make sure what you buy is non-counterfeitable, and empowers you with maximum flexibility"
But... if the article is true and some of the most reputable dealers are selling fake gold, other than smelting it myself, how in the world can I KNOW it is real gold? At least with the dollar bill, I have the information I need to make sure it's not fake.
You can buy it from Jag-Offs company and then you're GUARANTEED they will be selling you real gold.
::)
Oh, well... if I'm GUARANTEED then it's a different story. I'll buy 100 plastic card thingies! At last, I'm becoming a crafty consumer!
Why buy gold when I can buy a vat of bacteria (http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/10/02/2246242/super-bacteria-create-gold) that precipitate metallic gold from a solution of gold (III) tetrachloride?
So you go buy a vat of bacteria, ...I'll stick with acquiring as many karatbars as I can.
"If you are buying gold, make sure what you buy is non-counterfeitable, and empowers you with maximum flexibility"
But... if the article is true and some of the most reputable dealers are selling fake gold, other than smelting it myself, how in the world can I KNOW it is real gold? At least with the dollar bill, I have the information I need to make sure it's not fake.
Enough of this; let's get to the interesting stuff. Do you pleasure yourself with karatbars and/or gold-encrusted dildos?
as an aside, I'm often reminded of that biblical reference; the one about the stone the builders threw away becoming the cornerstone. {sigh}
Is it even economically feasible for a counterfeiter to tamper with the gold? 1 gram gold bars produced by Karatbars are tamper-proof. In addition to the many security features, it quite literally would cost a counterfeiter more money to produce a fake gold bar, than it would to simply produce a genuine 24KT one.
1 gram gold "bars" produced by Karatbars aren't tamper-proof. We've been through this before. At best they're tamper-evident. Assuming, of course, anyone will bother tampering with a novelty credit-card sized piece of plastic.