people also forget that bone structure plays a huge role in how big someones arms look. i knew two guys that trained together; same height, nearly same weight. nick had narrow shoulders while randy's shoulders were crazy wide. everybody raved about how big nick's arms were, ignoring randy's. nicks looked two inches bigger. one day they ended up measuring and randy's were about 20'' while nick's were just under 19''. nobody could believe randy's were even close, never mind bigger. (pain killer induced rant!!)