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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: kyomu on October 03, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
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Defenition:Natural means he dont use banned substance.
Whats your opinion?
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hes quite small and short so maybe he is.
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he uses, just a different stack from bigger guys
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pics from recent Team Universe?
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pics from recent Team Universe?
Yes.
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Yes.
kind of hard to tell, he is not that big. well conditioned. but his muscle does seem to have a different quality to it from the true naturals I know. maybe yes, maybe no.
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kind of hard to tell, he is not that big. well conditioned. but his muscle does seem to have a different quality to it from the true naturals I know. maybe yes, maybe no.
He claimed himself as a natural no?
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dont know for sure but he has never done a drug test that i know
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He claimed himself as a natural no?
pretty sure he did. to compete in team univ. you must be "natural" according to their rules. but I'm not certain of their rules
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pretty sure he did. to compete in team univ. you must be "natural" according to their rules. but I'm not certain of their rules
Thats what i am saying.
Doping controle of federations(any) are very suspicious and politics.
Only way is he goes to the lab and show some certificates isnt it?
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Thats what i am saying.
Doping controle of federations(any) are very suspicious and politics.
Only way is he goes to the lab and show some certificates isnt it?
again, depends on their definition of "natural" It may mean natural only on the day of the show. it may mean natural for life or for 4 years. depends on definition. as for testing, a urine or blood test will only tell you if the competitor currently has drugs in system, not whether they used them in past (after body completely metabolizes them). So, you can use them and train but test clean on day of show.
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He is as natural as you kyomu
anyone not realizing he is on gear is clueless when it comes to bodybuilding
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As natural as this
(http://asp.elitefts.com/images/upload/qa/1254138920552.gif)
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again, depends on their definition of "natural" It may mean natural only on the day of the show. it may mean natural for life or for 4 years. depends on definition. as for testing, a urine or blood test will only tell you if the competitor currently has drugs in system, not whether they used them in past (after body completely metabolizes them). So, you can use them and train but test clean on day of show.
Ok. I understand you.
Then do you think he is gonna pass the test that Team Universe day(Ok,without noticing him)?
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Ok. I understand you.
Then do you think he is gonna pass the test that Team Universe day(Ok,without noticing him)?
do they even test at Team Universe?
if you know how to use gear you know how to beat a test, just know when you need to go off certain stuff in time
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do they even test at Team Universe?
if you know how to use gear you know how to beat a test, just know when you need to go off certain stuff in time
Depends on the test level also.
If IOC level, they can trace 10yrs (According to Milos).
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Depends on the test level also.
If IOC level, they can trace 10yrs (According to Milos).
and how many people do they test with such expensive methods, certainly not bodybuilding, ive competed in contests that were WADA/IOC tested, just same old piss in a cup test, everyone passed, i doubt they even sent the piss to the labs, cos everyones piss was dirty anyway
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Most state level natural competitions have even stopped, because most of the guys juice all year long and know how to beat the tests(which isn't that difficult).
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No, but he always looks great. All the drugs in the world wouldn't make me look that good.
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its possible. i saw him in person and his proportions are just crazy. small waist and full muscles. hes not massive, but very conditioned. impressive none the less. you dont get muscle "shape" like that form gear. epic genetics
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Defenition:Natural means he dont use banned substance.
Whats your opinion?
Yes, natural.
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i think JROD is natural
I also think he probably lives an INCREDIBLY boring life due to him being natural cuz that is a guy who CAN'T miss a meal
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He is as natural as you kyomu
anyone not realizing he is on gear is clueless when it comes to bodybuilding
agree..
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kyomu , honest question bro :
are you THAT fucking stupid and clueless or are you one of the biggest liars/pretenders on getbig ?
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Not even close to natural.
I would say he relies on GH/Slin and other exotic peptides IMO.
8)
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Ive never seen a fatroll or fat titty on johnny rodriguez
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As natural as this
(http://asp.elitefts.com/images/upload/qa/1254138920552.gif)
Dude... that is a fkng scary-ass GIF...
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i think JROD is natural
I also think he probably lives an INCREDIBLY boring life due to him being natural cuz that is a guy who CAN'T miss a meal
QFT. he is natural. he just has great discipline.
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Thats what i am saying.
Doping controle of federations(any) are very suspicious and politics.
Only way is he goes to the lab and show some certificates isnt it?
Team Universe is NOT a natural show. The overall winner goes pro in the IFBB. CMON people wake the fu ck up.
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That dude is not natural....no way in hell. Don't tell me he's ignorant enough to claim natty????
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as natural as Pamela Anderson's tits
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He is a tiny tit. Looks big when standing alone. If he juices he is an epic failure
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I know a lot of juicers who don't look close to that including myself.
So I think he uses steroids but still lives bodybuilding 24/7 and has great genes.
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do you know karate kyomu?
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As natural as one man with three testicles. ::)
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in clothes it doesnt look like he trains but looks great though.
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i think JROD is natural
I also think he probably lives an INCREDIBLY boring life due to him being natural cuz that is a guy who CAN'T miss a meal
How so?
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God knows you have to be on the juice to be 5'9 - 170, lbs!!!!!!!!
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i asked JRod in one forum if he ever took anything and i think if i remember correct he told me he used ephedrine while dieting once but never used any prohormone or steroid.
wether you want to believe him or not is your decision.
And as you can see in the video in this thread, he lifts far heavier weights than most pros but is he anywhere near their size?
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yes but pros use creatine too
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I heard some even use plazmosis but only the ones that are hardcore
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How so?
i dunno
he seems kinda boring as well
plus, he works a job that requires him to wear a suit-EWWW
btw, enjoy
http://howardsternbits.com/
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God knows you have to be on the juice to be 5'9 - 170, lbs!!!!!!!!
While having Munzer like conditioning. ::) You forgot about that little detail...
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He's as natural as Kyomu is.
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He's as natural as Kyomu is.
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God knows you have to be on the juice to be 5'9 - 170, lbs!!!!!!!!
Well you've obviously achieved a similar physique the natural way and know what you're talking about right ?
Sorry to tell you the truth but this is exactly what the magazines and the whole bodybuilding industry want you to believe -
you just need steroids to be as big as the pros but regular bodybuilder size can be achieved natural .. maybe just by taking some bullshit supplements ;)
170 lbs of contest weight at that height is impressive - that would mean you could bulk up to about 200 lbs while still being lean at under 5'10. That's just not possible for the vast majority of people.
I've been training for almost a decade , juicing for at least 4 years and taking the whole thing pretty serious - not giving a 100% in everything but living the bodybuilding-lifestyle more than 99,9% of the regular gym-rats - guess what I don't look as good as Jrod does. Got a pretty good physique (200 lbs pretty lean at 5'11'') and I'm considered a huge beast by regular people but yeah I do look pretty small in clothes.. steroids don't make you a bodybuilder.. it's mostly your genes and then determination over a long time + steroids.
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kyomu, can you brake a wooden board with one punch?
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not natural
here's a guy that wants to look like a bodybuilder, not a freak
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kyomu, can you brake a wooden board with one punch?
Prejudice prejudice prejudice..........
All the asian know martial arts...... :-\
I did Kyokushin and Judo a bit. I dont break anything in vain. :-\
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not natural
here's a guy that wants to look like a bodybuilder, not a freak
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Where? You?
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Prejudice prejudice prejudice..........
All the asian know martial arts...... :-\
I did Kyokushin and Judo a bit. I dont break anything in vain. :-\
I fought in kyokushin
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post a pic
Well there are a lot of haters on here .. I guess I'd get a lot of shit comments about how I look like nothing for juicing and training for that long by people who look like they've never touched a weight and have absolutely no clue what it takes to build some muscle and actually having a nice body.
After all this is getbig..
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Where? You?
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Depends on the test level also.
If IOC level, they can trace 10yrs (According to Milos).
thats only if they take a sample and store it for 10 years. This is the new retrospective testing regime they implemented to counter designer steroids.
Everything else needs to have some form of half life and when they test for it, the levels present are gauged against the rules.
i.e. they test athlete's sample that has been stored from 1999, in 2009 against the newly detected drugs. thats how they can test for 10 years..and even then its still against what that athlete had in them when they took the blood.
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Kyomu has bigger arms and legs than Jeff Rodriquez
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Kyomu has bigger arms and legs than Jeff Rodriquez
Hi Kyomu.
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Kyomu has bigger arms and legs than Jeff Rodriquez
Kyomu claims to be natural, though. What are you insinuating? That J-Rod is clean or that Kyomu isn't natural like he claims? The latter seems more plausible.
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Natural imo.
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Hi Kyomu.
Hi rovemonkey
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Well you've obviously achieved a similar physique the natural way and know what you're talking about right ?
Sorry to tell you the truth but this is exactly what the magazines and the whole bodybuilding industry want you to believe -
you just need steroids to be as big as the pros but regular bodybuilder size can be achieved natural .. maybe just by taking some bullshit supplements ;)
170 lbs of contest weight at that height is impressive - that would mean you could bulk up to about 200 lbs while still being lean at under 5'10. That's just not possible for the vast majority of people.
I've been training for almost a decade , juicing for at least 4 years and taking the whole thing pretty serious - not giving a 100% in everything but living the bodybuilding-lifestyle more than 99,9% of the regular gym-rats - guess what I don't look as good as Jrod does. Got a pretty good physique (200 lbs pretty lean at 5'11'') and I'm considered a huge beast by regular people but yeah I do look pretty small in clothes.. steroids don't make you a bodybuilder.. it's mostly your genes and then determination over a long time + steroids.
I don't look even close to as good as J-Rod. Thing is, he's got great genetics for condition and shape. In street clothes you woulden't even know he was a bodybuilder. Imo, he's not on juice. He just looks much bigger than he really is due to his shape and condition.
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yeah when a guy is 220 and looks like J-rod, he's lying his ass off about being natural.
When he's 171 in contest shape, it's way more believable.
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yeah when a guy is 220 and looks like J-rod, he's lying his ass off about being natural.
When he's 171 in contest shape, it's way more believable.
yeah im 6feet6 and 230 and would look almost as lean as jrod if i was 220 pounds :-\
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Of course everyone who isn't in a dream world knows that there are bodybuilders who pretend to be natural and/or credit their gains to the latest supplement. The next magazine that comes out will have something about how Jay made the biggest come back ever due to 'Anabolic Halo' or something similar.
However there are guys out there who look amazing and are truly natural.
Can everyone look like Jeff? no way. some people's genetics would never allow for this. some people could take all the gear in the world and not be anywhere close.
Jeff looks good because he has the right amount of muscle in the right places. He has great lines due to genetic structure and good muscle bellies. He does not weigh tht much in competition shape. It's an illusion.
If you have any idea about getting in to competition shape you would know that once you drop to a certain level of bodyfat you will look bigger. Your's muscles will look crisp and detailed, your waist wil be much smaller giving you the illusion of bigger size.
His muscle looks very dense due to years of heavy weight training. Other guys that have trained and eat the same way Jeff does that I've seen have had that look too.
It's very hard for the average perma bulker to understand this. Especially on this web site where everyone seems to be negative.
Plus I will tell you right now that Jeff leads a life style that most people would not envy.
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Natural imo
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natural or Very small dosages
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yeah im 6feet6 and 230 and would look almost as lean as jrod if i was 220 pounds :-\
Good point. Everyone seems to sue weight as the only criteria. The taller you are, the less impressive your weight will be unless it's proportionate. 220? 171? Those numbers mean nothing without the height factor.
Is that everyone is short who gravitates to bodybuilding that they assume everyone else is a 5'6" midget too?
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Of course everyone who isn't in a dream world knows that there are bodybuilders who pretend to be natural and/or credit their gains to the latest supplement. The next magazine that comes out will have something about how Jay made the biggest come back ever due to 'Anabolic Halo' or something similar.
However there are guys out there who look amazing and are truly natural.
Can everyone look like Jeff? no way. some people's genetics would never allow for this. some people could take all the gear in the world and not be anywhere close.
Jeff looks good because he has the right amount of muscle in the right places. He has great lines due to genetic structure and good muscle bellies. He does not weigh tht much in competition shape. It's an illusion.
If you have any idea about getting in to competition shape you would know that once you drop to a certain level of bodyfat you will look bigger. Your's muscles will look crisp and detailed, your waist wil be much smaller giving you the illusion of bigger size.
His muscle looks very dense due to years of heavy weight training. Other guys that have trained and eat the same way Jeff does that I've seen have had that look too.
It's very hard for the average perma bulker to understand this. Especially on this web site where everyone seems to be negative.
Plus I will tell you right now that Jeff leads a life style that most people would not envy.
Tell me one reason why he wouldn't use.
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Plus I will tell you right now that Jeff leads a life style that most people would not envy.
expand on this
I know that he works a legit job that requires him to wear a suit so he probably makes good cash.
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Kyomu has bigger arms and legs than Jeff Rodriquez
I dont think so. When i go down to his fat level, I think my legs and arms are gonna be smaller than him.
Maybe my back is bigger than him though.
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I dont think so. When i go down to his fat level, I think my legs and arms are gonna be smaller than him.
Maybe my back is bigger than him though.
jrod and kymou are both training long time,say same intensity,diet,and are both clean as stated ,same weight class ,the difference is genetics,and ethnicity ,it is tough as kymou knows that asians are genetically soft but through hard work can get lean but super hardness is going to need some anabolic help.
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jrod and kymou are both training long time,say same intensity,diet,and are both clean as stated ,same weight class ,the difference is genetics,and ethnicity ,it is tough as kymou knows that asians are genetically soft but through hard work can get lean but super hardness is going to need some anabolic help.
Defenitely right. But, I will try to approach that state as much as possible without juicing. Thats my challenge.
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Of course everyone who isn't in a dream world knows that there are bodybuilders who pretend to be natural and/or credit their gains to the latest supplement. The next magazine that comes out will have something about how Jay made the biggest come back ever due to 'Anabolic Halo' or something similar.
However there are guys out there who look amazing and are truly natural.
Can everyone look like Jeff? no way. some people's genetics would never allow for this. some people could take all the gear in the world and not be anywhere close.
Jeff looks good because he has the right amount of muscle in the right places. He has great lines due to genetic structure and good muscle bellies. He does not weigh tht much in competition shape. It's an illusion.
If you have any idea about getting in to competition shape you would know that once you drop to a certain level of bodyfat you will look bigger. Your's muscles will look crisp and detailed, your waist wil be much smaller giving you the illusion of bigger size.
His muscle looks very dense due to years of heavy weight training. Other guys that have trained and eat the same way Jeff does that I've seen have had that look too.
It's very hard for the average perma bulker to understand this. Especially on this web site where everyone seems to be negative.
Plus I will tell you right now that Jeff leads a life style that most people would not envy.
translation: I too am a liar
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clearly natural
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/SMBbjfp_C9I/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KIBaLVDvKp8/s400/1+day+out+cooking-+9-04-08.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LJ40Zfo0Mfw/RbRkG3pVObI/AAAAAAAACtY/7ZCdWD7nKwQ/s400/Jeff_Rodriguez__22_.jpg)
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Not sure if natural here
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2ibgciv.jpg)
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(http://i29.tinypic.com/2ibgciv.jpg)
STill he is small there. Photo deceive a lot.
Looking big and big are two different thing.
Just his superb condition makes a ilusion of being big.
This is What I should be in the next spring.....
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clearly natural
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/SMBbjfp_C9I/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KIBaLVDvKp8/s400/1+day+out+cooking-+9-04-08.JPG)
LOL got the foreman grill going there, livin the dream no doubt 8)
but why cooking in the shower ???
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STill he is small there. Photo deceive a lot.
Looking big and big are two different thing.
Just his superb condition makes a ilusion of being big.
This is What I should be in the next spring.....
Come on, he is big, really. Should I say, gasp, unnaturally big?
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clearly natural
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/SMBbjfp_C9I/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KIBaLVDvKp8/s400/1+day+out+cooking-+9-04-08.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LJ40Zfo0Mfw/RbRkG3pVObI/AAAAAAAACtY/7ZCdWD7nKwQ/s400/Jeff_Rodriguez__22_.jpg)
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Not sure if natural here
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2ibgciv.jpg)
about as natural are fucking a grapefruit
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translation: I too am a liar
Calling me a liar as an argument is not very compelling. Train and eat the same way he does and see what happens. Your own beliefs are holding you back.
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Calling me a liar as an argument is not very compelling. Train and eat the same way he does and see what happens. Your own beliefs are holding you back.
I think Taco is a former competitor and a big mofo. Most of us here are 16yo basement dwelling 140lb geeks, but not all.
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I think Taco is a former competitor and a big mofo. Most of us here are 16yo basement dwelling 140lb geeks, but not all.
Speak for yourself Tapeworm. I'm 17...
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Come on, he is big, really. Should I say, gasp, unnaturally big?
Average gym rats look bigger IN CLOTH.
It happens when the under -80kg guy is in his prime shape.
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Speak for yourself Tapeworm. I'm 17...
Is the parallel parking part of the test hard?
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Is the parallel parking part of the test hard?
knocked over the cones first three times...eventually got it on the fourth time
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as natural as E.T. coming out of Princess Diana's grave wearing Michael Jackson's thriller jacket screaming Lady Gaga's "Poker Face" to the tune of 'For he's a Jolly Good Fella' ....
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as natural as E.T. coming out of Princess Diana's grave wearing Michael Jackson's thriller jacket screaming Lady Gaga's "Poker Face" to the tune of 'For he's a Jolly Good Fella' ....
i think i've seen that
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he gained what, all of 9 pounds during that massive transformation?
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I dont think so. When i go down to his fat level, I think my legs and arms are gonna be smaller than him.
Maybe my back is bigger than him though.
So you're about the same size as him, probably 10+ years older (is J-Rod even 30 yet?) and you think you're going to be around his size when dieted down. So you're natural but he's not? I'm guessing you're just a genetic freak then?
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kyomu hopes to be one of the premier asians
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kyomu hopes to be one of the premier asians
I dont care about being Asian.
I dont care what race i am.
You americans are always refering about race. Whats up with you guys?
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So you're about the same size as him, probably 10+ years older (is J-Rod even 30 yet?) and you think you're going to be around his size when dieted down. So you're natural but he's not? I'm guessing you're just a genetic freak then?
You are young, skinny.
And still you think that you are normal?
Yeah, from your point of view, I and he look like a big muscle guy.
But,in reality we are quite small bodybuilders(Ok, he is great. But i consider myself as quite small bodybuilder).
Hope this help.
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I dont care about being Asian.
I dont care what race i am.
You americans are always refering about race. Whats up with you guys?
the take that stupid asian writing off your avatar you fucking hypocrite
maybe the reality is kyomu u are kinda a pussy and need to learn how to take anything slightly negative and put a positive spin on it or learn from your white ancestors
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the take that stupid asian writing off your avatar you fucking hypocrite
hahahahaha
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the take that stupid asian writing off your avatar you fucking hypocrite
maybe the reality is kyomu u are kinda a pussy and need to learn how to take anything slightly negative and put a positive spin on it or learn from your white ancestors
Oh really?
Then I ask you, If I care about my being asian, is anything productive going to happen?
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the take that stupid asian writing off your avatar you fucking hypocrite
maybe the reality is kyomu u are kinda a pussy and need to learn how to take anything slightly negative and put a positive spin on it or learn from your white ancestors
And being Asian is slightly negative? Please explain it.
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And being Asian is slightly negative? Please explain it.
well as a group , penis size has been a issue....of negativity.....(not speaking from experience, there is always an exception to the rule) ;D
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the take that stupid asian writing off your avatar you fucking hypocrite
maybe the reality is kyomu u are kinda a pussy and need to learn how to take anything slightly negative and put a positive spin on it or learn from your white ancestors
hahahahahahahha ;D
falcon hits one out of the park!! 8) :D
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kyomu wike to make ting cumpeecated!
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well as a group , penis size has been a issue....of negativity.....(not speaking from experience, there is always an exception to the rule) ;D
Wow, Thats true :o :'(
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kyomu=still a damn good asian would make a great farmer here in the states
maybe kyomu exported to america he could learn great logic and other abilities
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(http://media.80stees.com/images/products/Star_Wars_Millennium_Falcon_Blue-T.jpg)
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kyomu=still a damn good asian would make a great farmer here in the states
maybe kyomu exported to america he could learn great logic and other abilities
Ok, for being your rural farmer, Can you explain the reason why i quit produce my products to those 10000 consumers monthly in Europe?
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Falcon. You are a weak person who must escape from the reality with smoking weeds and cloud your conciousness clarity which produce the materialization.
Escaping from the reality = Loser
Quit smoking weeds. Still you have time.
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Falcon. You are a weak person who must escape from the reality with smoking weeds and cloud your conciousness clarity which produce the materialization.
Escaping from the reality = Loser
Quit smoking weeds. Still you have time.
yes im a weak bastid i mush admit! Please do not get sucked into this falcon trap kyomu amigo the mysteries of the falcon mind are quite amusing, speak no more, sit and meditate on a pointy rock my son
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yes im a weak bastid i mush admit! Please do not get sucked into this falcon trap kyomu amigo the mysteries of the falcon mind are quite amusing, speak no more, sit and meditate on a pointy rock my son
A tip for you (serious)
Dont try to be strong or trying to be a somebody.
More you try, more you fail.
why?
Because you are already strong and somebody.
No need to go to a pointy rock. The real experts can meditate even in the war. The peace is in everywhere.
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I think Taco is a former competitor and a big mofo. Most of us here are 16yo basement dwelling 140lb geeks, but not all.
Thanks Tapeworm.
Prototype, I shouldnt have called you a liar seeing as I know nothing about you.
Are you a 'natural bodybuilder'?
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kyomu man i love you bro im just teasing
im probably gonna get some pussy tonite from this chick thats like 6feet tall wish me luck superior asian
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Of course everyone who isn't in a dream world knows that there are bodybuilders who pretend to be natural and/or credit their gains to the latest supplement. The next magazine that comes out will have something about how Jay made the biggest come back ever due to 'Anabolic Halo' or something similar.
However there are guys out there who look amazing and are truly natural.
Can everyone look like Jeff? no way. some people's genetics would never allow for this. some people could take all the gear in the world and not be anywhere close.
Jeff looks good because he has the right amount of muscle in the right places. He has great lines due to genetic structure and good muscle bellies. He does not weigh that much in competition shape. It's an illusion.
If you have any idea about getting in to competition shape you would know that once you drop to a certain level of bodyfat you will look bigger. Your's muscles will look crisp and detailed, your waist Will be much smaller giving you the illusion of bigger size.
His muscle looks very dense due to years of heavy weight training. Other guys that have trained and eat the same way Jeff does that I've seen have had that look too.
It's very hard for the average perma bulker to understand this. Especially on this web site where everyone seems to be negative.
Plus I will tell you right now that Jeff leads a life style that most people would not envy.
you are spot on here, bb comes down to perfect proportions, and jeff has that, on a very small frame like me, we both share very short limbs that when, cut down bf looks huge. if u want i will post pic, im completely natty, but many ppl think other wise bcuz my natural shape make's me appear much bigger than i really, iam. thats a great bb frame. ppl who have shitty structure will never understand this, they can take a pro stack and never look half as good. its the cold truth, and ppl get defensive about it bcuz they cant imagine some one looking better than themselves without juice, id imagine its pretty disheartening. in all honesty jeffs arms come comp time probly arnt even 17, like i said its a hard thing to discribe to those who haven't a clue. he is well with'n the realm of natty's
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you are spot on here, bb comes down to perfect proportions, and jeff has that, on a very small frame like me, we both share very short limbs that when, cut down bf looks huge. if u want i will post pic, im completely natty, but many ppl think other wise bcuz my natural shape make's me appear much bigger than i really, iam. thats a great bb frame. ppl who have shitty structure will never understand this, they can take a pro stack and never look half as good. its the cold truth, and ppl get defensive about it bcuz they cant imagine some one looking better than themselves without juice, id imagine its pretty disheartening. in all honesty jeffs arms come comp time probly arnt even 17, like i said its a hard thing to discribe to those who haven't a clue. he is well with'n the realm of natty's
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I think Taco is a former competitor and a big mofo. Most of us here are 16yo basement dwelling 140lb geeks, but not all.
Some guys have the attitude that because they couldn't do it natural, no one else could either.
Then there are natural guys that accuse anyone who has a better physique than them of gear usage.
Either of these is self limiting and unproductive.
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you are spot on here, bb comes down to perfect proportions, and jeff has that, on a very small frame like me, we both share very short limbs that when, cut down bf looks huge. if u want i will post pic, im completely natty, but many ppl think other wise bcuz my natural shape make's me appear much bigger than i really, iam. thats a great bb frame. ppl who have shitty structure will never understand this, they can take a pro stack and never look half as good. its the cold truth, and ppl get defensive about it bcuz they cant imagine some one looking better than themselves without juice, id imagine its pretty disheartening. in all honesty jeffs arms come comp time probly arnt even 17, like i said its a hard thing to discribe to those who haven't a clue. he is well with'n the realm of natty's
Weren't you banned from MD for that cocky attitude (among other things)? ::)
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/member.php?u=7876
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Some guys have the attitude that because they couldn't do it natural, no one else could either.
Then there are natural guys that accuse anyone who has a better physique than them of gear usage.
Either of these is self limiting and unproductive.
I have the attitude because bodybuilders use 'bodybuilding supplemets'. All of them, including myself, and Im honest enough as to admit it.
The actual difference is that I used stuff and responded so well that theres just no hiding it. I didnt even use that much and it was blatant. 'Naturals' ( ::)) use stuff, maybe its small amounts, maybe its specific things. Clen, t3, ephedra, var, prohormones, none of that shit is natural.
The thing is they dont try to hang with the big boys and blow up, hence NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW WHO THEY ARE unless they claim 'natural' so that now theyre 'somebody'. U think anyone would give a shit who Jeff is if he was just some NPC competitor struggling at regional shows? Nope.
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Thanks Tapeworm.
Prototype, I shouldnt have called you a liar seeing as I know nothing about you.
Are you a 'natural bodybuilder'?
Yeah man, I am. I know many people who are also.
About 65% of the people at my gym used gear and I had the best physique by far. About half of them had no business using it and looked like they barely even trained.
Then you had natural guys in the gym who had either average physiques or good physiques that would accuse me of it behind my back due to jealousy. Either because I just had a better physique than them or was more successful at competitions.
I could care less really. Same as anyone else in the gym who was in good shape, gear usage or not. Care less what other people think and be concerned about your own training and not what others are doing. There's a respect that goes with it. Guys that are in awesome shape themselves generally don't talk down about other guys.
I'm also familiar with people who pass themselves off as natural but are definitley not and are deliberately deceptive. Seem like perfectly nice people too. Paris Kiripatea was a real nice guy. He beat my friend and training partner Warren Clampit for the INBA Australian and Natural Olympia titles. It was then found later that he was using enough gear to kill a brown dog lol. We heard someone was busted and Warren thought there was no way it could be Paris because he seems like such a good guy. Well there you go. You can google it actually.
So I can see either side but I don't think Jeff uses and I certainly find it beleivable.
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Weren't you banned from MD for that cocky attitude (among other things)? ::)
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/member.php?u=7876
nah, that wasn't me, i guess i have a pretty generic name, there's like 4 other jus on this board ::) , ive never even been there.
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Yeah man, I am. I know many people who are also.
About 65% of the people at my gym used gear and I had the best physique by far. About half of them had no business using it and looked like they barely even trained.
Then you had natural guys in the gym who had either average physiques or good physiques that would accuse me of it behind my back due to jealousy. Either because I just had a better physique than them or was more successful at competitions.
I could care less really. Same as anyone else in the gym who was in good shape, gear usage or not. Care less what other people think and be concerned about your own training and not what others are doing. There's a respect that goes with it. Guys that are in awesome shape themselves generally don't talk down about other guys.
I'm also familiar with people who pass themselves off as natural but are definitley not and are deliberately deceptive. Seem like perfectly nice people too. Paris Kiripatea was a real nice guy. He beat my friend and training partner Warren Clampit for the INBA Australian and Natural Olympia titles. It was then found later that he was using enough gear to kill a brown dog lol. We heard someone was busted and Warren thought there was no way it could be Paris because he seems like such a good guy. Well there you go. You can google it actually.
So I can see either side but I don't think Jeff uses and I certainly find it beleivable.
Are you the guy in the photo?
If so I saw you at Doherty's years ago...very good physique (no homo)
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JRod is probably natural considering Lee Priest places top 6 in the Olympia on 200mg of deca a week ::)
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My opinion is.......WHO FUCKING CARES :D
He looks great, no matter what he is or isn't doing
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Are you the guy in the photo?
If so I saw you at Doherty's years ago...very good physique (no homo)
Yeah man that's me. If you saw me there at Doherty's then I had been training for about 2 years. Thanks, no homosexual overtones taken.
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great physique man
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Not even close to natural.
I would say he relies on GH/Slin and other exotic peptides IMO.
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add test eq tren turinabol and a list of other aas to the above
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add test eq tren turinabol and a list of other aas to the above
What is the biggest give-away in your opinion? How shredded he is or the amount of muscle mass itself?
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its the combination of size and muscle condition,, you do not get to be big muscular with good stage condition or even single digit body fat unless you been to hormones,,, you just dont unless you are an antena and even then its proptionaly wont be big
it has nothing to do with vains,,it has to do with muscle mass and condition ,,
hormone users has the unmistaken look to them ,,its swole look ,,its a distinctive look of that can be seen in 2 places immidatlywith a day ,,delts and face
gh15 approved
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its the combination of size and muscle condition,, you do not get to be big muscular with good stage condition or even single digit body fat unless you been to hormones,,, you just dont unless you are an antena and even then its proptionaly wont be big
it has nothing to do with vains,,it has to do with muscle mass and condition ,,
hormone users has the unmistaken look to them ,,its swole look ,,its a distinctive look of that can be seen in 2 places immidatlywith a day ,,delts and face
gh15 approved
qft....true naturals tend to look flat as a pancake onstage
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in all honesty jeffs arms come comp time probly arnt even 17
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As if 17 inches in contest shape were small. Most people will never get close to that , no matter if natural or not.
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As if 17 inches in contest shape were small. Most people will never get close to that , no matter if natural or not.
There is so much bullshit going on. You can add 2" to you real measurement and no-one will question it.
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There is so much bullshit going on. You can add 2" to you real measurement and no-one will question it.
So true ..
these fake measurements have caused people to think that 17 inch arms are small while in fact they are pretty big.
It's funny sometimes when people ask me how big my arms are and I tell em they are about 16 inches and they start to stare at me in disbelief.
A lean +18" arm is a rare sight.
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kyomu man i love you bro im just teasing
im probably gonna get some pussy tonite from this chick thats like 6feet tall wish me luck superior asian
Of course I wish you luck.
But, again I am not superior. I am just different. And everybody are different.
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So true ..
these fake measurements have caused people to think that 17 inch arms are small while in fact they are pretty big.
It's funny sometimes when people ask me how big my arms are and I tell em they are about 16 inches and they start to stare at me in disbelief.
A lean +18" arm is a rare sight.
true, i agree a 17 0r 18'' arm shredded is massive!, esp if nat, but ya realistically Jeff's arms rant any bigger than 16-17'' i jus think its funny how ppl are so "blown away from his size a conditioning" dudes a drone w/ some insane genetics combined w/ a great structure. it does happen. im not even say'n he's 100% clean, obviously i dont kno,.. but i do believe that can be achieved naturally.
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true, i agree a 17 0r 18'' arm shredded is massive!, esp if nat, but ya realistically Jeff's arms rant any bigger than 16-17'' i jus think its funny how ppl are so "blown away from his size a conditioning" dudes a drone w/ some insane genetics combined w/ a great structure. it does happen. im not even say'n he's 100% clean, obviously i dont kno,.. but i do believe that can be achieved naturally.
Agreed. Super lean and good shape arms makes an ilusion. 18inchs arm like him looks way bigger than that.
Now, I am waiting to see how my arms will shrink...
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haha..goyya love permabulkers who brag about their 18" armzzz!!!!
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whats unatural about the guy
i swear 80% on here done even work out
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please.... :-\
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whats unatural about the guy
i swear 80% on here done even work out
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please.... :-\
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If you are truly natural - which I highly doubt - you got some great genes for bodybuilding.
So to you this might not look all that impressive but from a regular guys' point of view this is out of reach.
I know guys (again including myself) who train for a long time with dedication and don't look like that or even close to that (ok i'm probably the same size as him but not that shredded .. and I'm a juicer)
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whats unatural about the guy
i swear 80% on here done even work out
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please.... :-\
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You see, this is the liar's tactic. "What's so special about that?" ::) And attack against unbelievers...damn that is so textbook manipulation.
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he is not natural. period.
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its the combination of size and muscle condition,, you do not get to be big muscular with good stage condition or even single digit body fat unless you been to hormones,,, you just dont unless you are an antena and even then its proptionaly wont be big
it has nothing to do with vains,,it has to do with muscle mass and condition ,,
hormone users has the unmistaken look to them ,,its swole look ,,its a distinctive look of that can be seen in 2 places immidatlywith a day ,,delts and face
gh15 approved
Maybe his leydig cells produce high amounts of androgen?
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You see, this is the liar's tactic. "What's so special about that?" ::) And attack against unbelievers...damn that is so textbook manipulation.
Your are free to believe. What you want but your logic is flawed
which is guy says he's natural if the guy doesn't look that big he's telling the truth
I'd he looks big and cut he's lying :-\ who set the parameters on what's natural you based on?
explore this avenue of thought what if someone falls out of the range of what you think is natural does that then give you the right to accuse someone you don't even know of drug use I bet if you were bigger than me and more cut and natural then i could in your eyes be natural
a very silly and flawed logic
natural till I die it doesn't matter if you or anyone else doesn't believe
good luck with your training
meso
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I know guys (again including myself) who train for a long time with dedication and don't look like that or even close to that (ok i'm probably the same size as him but not that shredded .. and I'm a juicer)
The only thing that would make me think JRod is a juicer is how he gets striations in his triceps and elsewhere. He's not huge/big when compared to someone like Ronnie Coleman or the like. He himself says he doesn't even look like he lifts when wearing clothes.
When comparing yourself to the likes of JRod, you can't make blanket statements as you come across making above. Do you have his genetics? Do you train the way he does, eat what he does, have his lifestyle (how much walking/desk job, hobbies, etc...), regimentation? Biggest part of all of it is his genetics. His workouts also play a part in this...we've seen the way he trains, and it's not really anything fancy. But time under tension on the muscle, how many reps or whatever...all play a part in what you see.
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Your are free to believe. What you want but your logic is flawed
which is guy says he's natural if the guy doesn't look that big he's telling the truth
I'd he looks big and cut he's lying :-\ who set the parameters on what's natural you based on?
explore this avenue of thought what if someone falls out of the range of what you think is natural does that then give you the right to accuse someone you don't even know of drug use I bet if you were bigger than me and more cut and natural then i could in your eyes be natural
a very silly and flawed logic
natural till I die it doesn't matter if you or anyone else doesn't believe
good luck with your training
meso
If you can get big enough naturally whats the point of doing steroids?
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JR looks exactly how a phenomenally dedicated lifter would look while using low amounts of androgens. He uses them well and doesn't become disfigured with a moon face and tomato skin. His muscle bellies are full and striated. Couldn't ask for more.
He's not natural, but he's not juiced to the gills either. He's doing things intelligently, which can't be said for most bodybuilders.
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Your are free to believe. What you want but your logic is flawed
which is guy says he's natural if the guy doesn't look that big he's telling the truth
I'd he looks big and cut he's lying :-\ who set the parameters on what's natural you based on?
explore this avenue of thought what if someone falls out of the range of what you think is natural does that then give you the right to accuse someone you don't even know of drug use I bet if you were bigger than me and more cut and natural then i could in your eyes be natural
a very silly and flawed logic
natural till I die it doesn't matter if you or anyone else doesn't believe
good luck with your training
meso
I've heard this thing before...
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He's most likely natural. He's a rare person because of his discipline and genetics. There are people walking around with great genetics for bodybuilding, but never take it up. Jrod just happened to be the exception that combined his natural talent with unnatural discipline.
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He's most likely natural. He's a rare person because of his discipline and genetics. There are people walking around with great genetics for bodybuilding, but never take it up. Jrod just happened to be the exception that combined his natural talent with unnatural discipline.
We know nothing about his discipline other than what he tells us, and genetics are pure guess work.
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He's most likely natural. He's a rare person because of his discipline and genetics. There are people walking around with great genetics for bodybuilding, but never take it up. Jrod just happened to be the exception that combined his natural talent with unnatural discipline.
[/quote very true, i see insane genetics all the time, it takes all the right combo, PLUS BEING ABLE TO THROW A TONG ON & GREASE UP! and it aint for the money... i would say ... 96% ppl instantly opposed to BB. thats the truth. Some insane genetics with all the right combo's.... ARNOLD & serge, both very skinny by nature but had a swole pumped appearance, with all the mass in the right places, they had a very graceful look while caring mass, or mass with class, but that was back in the day.