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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Switznegger on February 23, 2009, 02:48:30 PM
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Some would say when the Body gives out but then you have guys who get off their Dialysis to compete.So when is too much really too much???
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I know of 2grms of test use in juniors so I guess it could get quite high.
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ask preist
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ask preist
A little Deca ;D
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any
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This is too much
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A little Deca ;D
;D
how much is too much ? ...well... i would guess when it takes an extra gram just to see a noticeable difference in gains... then its too much... or something like that...... but AAS is just one piece of the entire puzzle of drugs... GH, insulin, t3, letro/arimidex, lasix, lutalyse/pgcl, synthol/esciclene, clen/eca, etc etc etc
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There is no "too much". Bodybuilding is about how you look. No one cares what you did to get there.
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WOW So many Drugs and only so little time. :'(
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WOW So many Drugs and only so little time. :'(
tears of joy, huh buddy ? :D
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I think it's Great when Pros say it's all Scripted it keeps it real.
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This is too much
This WAS too much ;D
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If you take 3 grms of test would 5 grms be better???
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If you take 3 grms of test would 5 grms be better???
u tell me
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u tell me
Would Not know as I am not a Doctor but I think some Pros get scripts for 50mg shots of Decca every three weeks.So it's Not the amount it's all Genetics.
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This is too much
this too. ;D BANG.
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u tell me
didn't you post a study showing diminishing returns with anything over 3.5 grams a week?
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Some would say when the Body gives out but then you have guys who get off their Dialysis to compete.So when is too much really too much???
I know many amateur competitors whos are using more than 6 grams a week... :o :-\
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I know many amateur competitors whos are using more than 6 grams a week... :o :-\
Steve I call BS on that 6grms a week No doctor would script that amount.If it is True what were the Results with such numbers???
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Steve I call BS on that 6grms a week No doctor would script that amount.If it is True what were the Results with such numbers???
whos talking about a doctor here
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whos talking about a doctor here
There is a Poster here named Chick he says it's all Scripted Drug use.
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There is a Poster here named Chick he says it's all Scripted Drug use.
some pros but id say very few amateurs have docs writing scripts
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Steve I call BS on that 6grms a week No doctor would script that amount.If it is True what were the Results with such numbers???
Results? Nothing extreme... They don't look good. So since that info I know that the gear means nothing without hardcore training, proper nutrition and genetics.
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Results? Nothing extreme... They don't look good. So since that info I know that the gear means nothing without hardcore training, proper nutrition and genetics.
hey Steve this might be personal but what does a typical cycle look like for you? i understand if you don't want to answer.
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hey Steve this might be personal but what does a typical cycle look like for you? i understand if you don't want to answer.
In my case it depends on the money...but as one of my friend told me if you use 750-1000 mg of test, 400-600 mg of Deca a week with 50-70 mg of Dianabol...then it will be good enough. An if you have at least 4 IU HGH with 10-20 IU slin daily too than it will be even better... 8)
Maybe it's true...I don't know... ;)
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In my case it depends on the money...but as one of my friend told me if you use 750-1000 mg of test, 400-600 mg of Deca a week with 50-70 mg of Dianabol...then it will be good enough. An if you have at least 4 IU HGH with 10-20 IU slin daily too than it will be even better... 8)
Maybe it's true...I don't know... ;)
that's still a lot but very manageable, shows you can build a great physique like yours on moderate to moderate-high amounts without going overboard.
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In my case it depends on the money...but as one of my friend told me if you use 750-1000 mg of test, 400-600 mg of Deca a week with 50-70 mg of Dianabol...then it will be good enough. An if you have at least 4 IU HGH with 10-20 IU slin daily too than it will be even better... 8)
Maybe it's true...I don't know... ;)
Steve it's Refreshing to see a IFBB Pro talk and type Honestly about Drug use.I Don't understand why Supp companies have not grabbed you up with big sponsorship.You are a Honest IFBB Pro and should have No trouble getting to live in the Land of Opportunity.
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that's still a lot but very manageable, shows you can build a great physique like yours on moderate to moderate-high amounts without going overboard.
BTW in Hungary any Joe in our gym use more drugs... :-\
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Steve it's Refreshing to see a IFBB Pro talk and type Honestly about Drug use.I Don't understand why Supp companies have not grabbed you up with big sponsorship.You are a Honest IFBB Pro and should have No trouble getting to live in the Land of Opportunity.
Being honest is not a good deal. Just look Boeving... ::)
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Your Honesty will be Rewarded just look how the IFBB treated Milos.
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Steve reminds me of Ronnie Rockel, similar builds and both guys get ripped off by the judges all the time.
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Your Honesty will be Rewarded just look how the IFBB treated Milos.
Thank you my friend.
:D
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Don't mention IFBB Judges or Milos will chime in with 30 pages of Proof of corruption.
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the flashing red lights will let you know
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Steve how often do you get your blood work done and how high does your ALT and AST get??
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Steve have you asked the Athletes Rep to help you get to Mighty America also do they tell you not to mention your Drug use on this site.
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GH15 outlined this as paramount for mass building
test deca naposim
with gh if you got the cash
no surprise that Steve looks diesel with this exact stack
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In my case it depends on the money...but as one of my friend told me if you use 750-1000 mg of test, 400-600 mg of Deca a week with 50-70 mg of Dianabol...then it will be good enough. An if you have at least 4 IU HGH with 10-20 IU slin daily too than it will be even better... 8)
Maybe it's true...I don't know... ;)
BIG props for posting this and being honest!!
getbig approved 8)
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Your Honesty will be Rewarded just look how the IFBB treated Milos.
Milos wasnt suspended for being honest, he was suspended for failing to provide proof of his claims and the fact that he didnt go through the proper channels to file his complaint, or address the issue raised.
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IFBB is the most honest Organization around ;) ;)
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Milos wasnt suspended for being honest, he was suspended for failing to provide proof of his claims and the fact that he didnt go through the proper channels to file his complaint, or address the issue raised.
why don't you give us Chick an ussual cycle for you....let's say a friend told you that this is what would work" type of thing ;)
waddayasay ? you carried quite a bit of muscle and offseason were oneof the larger bodybuilders...and I'm sure there are more people intrested not just me
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Some would say when the Body gives out but then you have guys who get off their Dialysis to compete.So when is too much really too much???
if you have to ask if your taking too much, you're not taking enough.
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Steve have you asked the Athletes Rep to help you get to Mighty America also do they tell you not to mention your Drug use on this site.
Relax little boy. This is a bodybuilding board and I'm a professional bodybuilder. And who are you? Go to a sex board and make an argument about the average penis size. Here your opinion is not authoritative.
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BIG props for posting this and being honest!!
getbig approved 8)
he wasnt being honest.
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Steve is a good guy,lay off him
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=122646.0;attach=138444;image)
Ask this guy.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=122646.0;attach=138444;image)
Ask this guy.
Munzer like conditioning!
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Steve if what you posted is true about what you use then you dont need to do anymore because i think you look great already, just keep up the good work!
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gear means nothing without hardcore training, proper nutrition and genetics.
::) ::) ::)
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he wasnt being honest.
don't come in here and ruin the mood
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=122646.0;attach=138444;image)
Ask this guy.
He found it out the hard way.
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Yep the side of Drug use never discussed DEATH.
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Yep the side of Drug use never discussed DEATH.
::) ok Don Hooten.
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::) ok Don Hooten.
I'd like to know where all of these people dropping dead from usuing steroids are.
every Mr Olympia is still alive and kicking
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I'd like to know where all of these people dropping dead from usuing steroids are.
every Mr Olympia is still alive and kicking
If you had use steroids you could be flexing for schmoes right now instead of carrying tvs up and down stairs grinkster.
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If you had use steroids you could be flexing for schmoes right now instead of carrying tvs up and down stairs grinkster.
lame ::) why not just say what you have to say under your original account?
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lame ::) why not just say what you have to say under your original account?
I did on the Y today. You read it "toughguy". We have carried your ass long enough. You are not welcome there anymore.
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I'd like to know where all of these people dropping dead from usuing steroids are.
every Mr Olympia is still alive and kicking
Give it time it's Not the Drugs that Kill them it's their Ego and Stupidity.Even Gurus have messed up with a shot of Synthol just ask Milos and Thyroid messed with Luke Wood STUPIDITY is alive and well in BB.
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I did on the Y today. You read it "toughguy". We have carried your ass long enough. You are not welcome there anymore.
so who are you? why not just admit it? ::)
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so who are you? why not just admit it? ::)
How many people have you cried to have put in timeout today? You ended up being the biggest bitch on here.
They castrated you on the Y today. You are a man with no balls now haha.
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How many people have you cried to have put in timeout today? You ended up being the biggest bitch on here.
They castrated you on the Y today. You are a man with no balls now haha.
hahahaa, ok "big iron". ;D
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WOOOO
BigIronPenis is on a roll ::)
He's a gimmick's gimmick, which makes him especially meaningless
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hahahaa, ok "big iron". ;D
ok Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Ask him what that means Grink. You are out the loop!
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WOOOO
BigIronPenis is on a roll ::)
He's a gimmick's gimmick, which makes him especially meaningless
Grink do you get paid more than mexicans to mow lawns?
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don't come in here and ruin the mood
;D
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;D
Thanks for being silent.
8)
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Steve do the IFBB Officials tell you Not to talk about your Drug use on public boards??
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Steve do the IFBB Officials tell you Not to talk about your Drug use on public boards??
Did you know that you aren't the only self-appointed bodybuilding genius on this board? ???
You have so many clones all around the topics. Trust me!
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Did you know that you aren't the only self-appointed bodybuilding genius on this board? ???
You have so many clones all around the topics. Trust me!
I'll take that as a YES.
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I'll take that as a YES.
::)
I guess your playstation is out of order...
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I guess your playstation is out of order...
I guess your between jobs.Was there a time that you thought that when you got your IFBB Pro card you would Not have to work 3 jobs anymore???
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I guess your between jobs.Was there a time that you thought that when you got your IFBB Pro card you would Not have to work 3 jobs anymore???
I never thought that. I know...this is Hungary.
Let's see... Here most of the people are earn around 450 dollars a month. My wage is more than 3 times bigger than that. And to probably achieve my goals I should earn at least 5 times more money than my wage...
But my time will come.
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Just as it has for Milos never give up your Hopes and Dreams BB is a very good Money earner.
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Results? Nothing extreme... They don't look good. So since that info I know that the gear means nothing without hardcore training, proper nutrition and genetics.
Maybe they are using 6 grams of Palumbo type rat poison that may yield 1 1/2 grams total a week...The answer for them may be to simply up the bunk gear to 10 to 15 grams a week...Kidding :D
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If you die before the avg. age of death ?85?, because of drug abused. then you used too much.
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85 that seems a little Old I thought average age for men was 78.It's Not Death to Pros it's the wrecked health and muscle tears.
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85 that seems a little Old I thought average age for men was 78.It's Not Death to Pros it's the wrecked health and muscle tears.
You're right, google says 74.37. I'm guess, by the time we are that old, science will improve?
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Results? Nothing extreme... They don't look good. So since that info I know that the gear means nothing without hardcore training, proper nutrition and genetics.
HAHAHA!!! Go suck a fat shit you dumbass Hungarian pig bottom.
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Do Hungarian Pros make good Brick workers.
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HAHAHA!!! Go suck a fat shit you dumbass Hungarian pig bottom.
Steve has a friend.
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Steve that test is a very low number for the cycle, like a beigningers amount.
jt
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Steve that test is a very low number for the cycle, like a beigningers amount.
jt
1. More is not always better. I think that there isn't any man on the planet who needs more than 1500 mg of test a week...unless he used more and more and more in the past and then the lower dose isn't works anymore.
2. It depends on your receptors.
3. It depends on your natural test level.
4. It depends on your intelligence.
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1. More is not always better. I think that there isn't any man on the planet who needs more than 1500 mg of test a week...unless he used more and more and more in the past and then the lower dose isn't works anymore.
2. It depends on your receptors.
3. It depends on your natural test level.
4. It depends on your intelligence.
So your saying someone like bimbo Bob who is not that intelligent would need like 6000mg a week?
jt
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Steve if money is low how can you ever afford GH at $30 for 4iu when most guys use up to 28iu a day.Do the math you could buy a 1st class round world ticket before you could afford to be a True Drug Pro.
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So your saying someone like bimbo Bob who is not that intelligent would need like 6000mg a week?
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I just saying that who "need" 4-5000 mg a week is dumb as fuck. And if he would have a well functioning brain in his head then he wouldn't use that much...
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Steve if money is low how can you ever afford GH at $30 for 4iu when most guys use up to 28iu a day.Do the math you could buy a 1st class round world ticket before you could afford to be a True Drug Pro.
Well, imagine that how good I'll look when the money won't be a problem yet...
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Well, imagine that how good I'll look when the money won't be a problem yet...
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Steve if money is low how can you ever afford GH at $30 for 4iu when most guys use up to 28iu a day.Do the math you could buy a 1st class round world ticket before you could afford to be a True Drug Pro.
Who is paying $30 for 4iu of gh? ::)
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Steve reminds me of Ronnie Rockel, similar builds and both guys get ripped off by the judges all the time.
except steve's legs blow rockels away 8)
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Some would say when the Body gives out but then you have guys who get off their Dialysis to compete.So when is too much really too much???
How much were you on here ackmad
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Well, imagine that how good I'll look when the money won't be a problem yet...
A very Good IFBB Pro all that Money and all those Drugs.
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Steve is class act.
Met him at the montreal pro in 07, he looked a bit tired but he was nice enough to take a picture with me after the show while I was backstage walking around with the great Colossus1986 8)
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Steve is class act.
Met him at the montreal pro in 07, he looked a bit tired but he was nice enough to take a picture with me after the show while I was backstage walking around with a great big Colossus1incherection 8)
fixed
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fixed
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>:(
lol ;D
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I like Steve
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Steve is class act.
Met him at the montreal pro in 07, he looked a bit tired but he was nice enough to take a picture with me after the show while I was backstage walking around with the great Colossus1986 8)
Yeah, I remember you! To tell the truth I was just after my 12-15th pukeing...I never felt that sick at a contest before...but I was trying to smile for your picture... :D
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Well, imagine that how good I'll look when the money won't be a problem yet...
What do you do for money now Steve?
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What do you do for money now Steve?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=265086.0
;)
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drugs is 90 %
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drugs is 90 %
Drugs are essential but only for achieve a good contest shape. But even at that situation the 90 % is way too much and far from the truth.
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Drugs are essential but only for achieve a good contest shape. But even at that situation the 90 % is way too much and far from the truth.
if you were a lifetime natural, and you were just as committed to your nutrition & training as you are now, but you did everything WITHOUT DRUGS, then your physique would look 75%-90% worse than it does now. So yeah, maybe it's not all drugs, but it's mostly drugs.
don't kid yourself.
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if you were a lifetime natural, and you were just as committed to your nutrition & training as you are now, but you did everything WITHOUT DRUGS, then your physique would look 75%-90% worse than it does now. So yeah, maybe it's not all drugs, but it's mostly drugs.
don't kid yourself.
i disagree with you percentages but agree with your theory
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i disagree with you percentages but agree with your theory
the percentages of course would vary for each individual. but if somebody's physique blows up on drugs (they're a hyper responder to the sauce) then it's safe to say that their juiced physique would blow their naturally-trained physique out of the water.
take Arvilla, for example, i wouldn't say that his physique is 75-90% better on the juice because he doesn't respond that well to drugs, and so there probably wouldn't be that great a discrepancy between Mike's juiced physique and what his naturally trained physique would be.
however, a pro physique practically by definition is one that responds extremely well to drugs (whether the amount taken is a little or a lot), and so logically there's a much greater discrepancy between his juiced physique and his natural one.
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the percentages of course would vary for each individual. but if somebody's physique blows up on drugs (they're a hyper responder to the sauce) then it's safe to say that their juiced physique would blow their naturally-trained physique out of the water.
I partly agree with you. But anyway, you can be big and strong without drugs but you never will achieve a good contest shape with enough mass without drugs.
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allright, hip hip hooray, we've got ourselves a new 'pro' bber messiah of drugs
stevie namat, why do you feel obliged to pursue this route?
we know you need attention. we know that you are desperate.
i can see you wanna show off political correctness on the subject in order to be 'respected' by the ifbb hierarchy and thus be more 'accepted'. You want some ifbb shmoe to take you under his wing to be able to pursue ur 'american dream'. you wanna be noticed 'the good way'.
Nobody's gonna help you Steve. You are like a bum on the street trying to teach children the ways to succes while asking them a buck to get some liquor.
steve namat i dont have any respect for your behaviour on here
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allright, hip hip hooray, we've got ourselves a new 'pro' bber messiah of drugs
stevie namat, why do you feel obliged to pursue this route?
we know you need attention. we know that you are desperate.
i can see you wanna show off political correctness on the subject in order to be 'respected' by the ifbb hierarchy and thus be more 'accepted'. You want some ifbb shmoe to take you under his wing to be able to pursue ur 'american dream'. you wanna be noticed 'the good way'.
Nobody's gonna help you Steve. You are like a bum on the street trying to teach children the ways to succes while asking them some buck to get some liquor.
steve namat i dont have any respect for your behaviour on here
this is a bodybuilding website, i think he is just replying and giving advice like most civilized people on here which is more than i can say for you at the moment.
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and you're one of these naive children who think the bum is saying true just because he's a grownup and u cant think for yourself
no problem bro
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and you're one of these naive children who think the bum is saying true just because he's a grownup and u cant think for yourself
no problem bro
youre in the G and O board not the FACT board, these are all opinions and well opinions vary
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sure thing, but steve namat factually became a loser the minute he started asking for low end jobs on here
this is neither gossip nor opinion, unfortunately for him
i just dont see how these things get inside his head
so many illusions, so much naïvity, its amazing really
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sure thing, but steve namat factually became a loser the minute he started asking for low end jobs on here
this is neither gossip nor opinion, unfortunately for him
i just dont see how these things get inside his head
so many illusions, so much naïvity, its amazing really
well i dont know much about all that
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allright, hip hip hooray, we've got ourselves a new 'pro' bber messiah of drugs
stevie namat, why do you feel obliged to pursue this route?
we know you need attention. we know that you are desperate.
i can see you wanna show off political correctness on the subject in order to be 'respected' by the ifbb hierarchy and thus be more 'accepted'. You want some ifbb shmoe to take you under his wing to be able to pursue ur 'american dream'. you wanna be noticed 'the good way'.
Nobody's gonna help you Steve. You are like a bum on the street trying to teach children the ways to succes while asking them a buck to get some liquor.
steve namat i dont have any respect for your behaviour on here
Every topic has the idiots like you. This is a bodybuilding board but it needs an entertaining side too to be more popular. And you and your fellows just the clowns. That's all.
So do what you have to do. Stay at your role.
Thank you in advance!
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My friend, from your point of view, YOU would be the clown ;)
just thought you should know this..
Nice try though, but I aint the one claiming to be a pro-nothing or trying to please getbig folks
I also am not brainless enough to beg for money on a public forum
Get it in right bro, You are the clown.
It doesnt matter what you say or what you think, you have failed big time and you know it.
For starters, I would suggest you learn to reflect about something before you open it. And i aint talking about g4p STEVE!
Allright carry on now
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My friend, from your point of view, YOU would be the clown ;)
OK, but if our point of view is totally different and this is a bodybuilding forum and I'm a professional bodybuilder...then what are doing on this board...? ???
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I repeat:
For starters, I would suggest you learn to reflect about something before you open it.
Steve please you're making a fool out of yourself
You need to put an end to this before the damage gets irreversible
I hate to say it, but are you really this dumb?
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I repeat:
Steve please you're making a fool out of yourself
You need to put an end to this before the damage gets irreversible
I hate to say it, but are you really this dumb?
You're acting your role really good.
Good job my friend! Keep up the good work!
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Well thank you my brother of muscle
Unfortunately im not into acting and this is not a play. This aint some American movie you grew up with.
This is about your future and you're letting yourself down without realising it
This is my last advice, quit focusing on trying to give me 'blabla' answers and Stand up for yourself!
It is not too late!
Remember this Steve, you be smart now and opportunities will come to you.
Go on now, i have taught u the basics. Be free
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How much is too much ? When you spent more money on drugs then you will earn as a BB-Pro.... ???
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How much is too much ? When you spent more money on drugs then you will earn as a BB-Pro.... ???
Hi Steve.
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Well thank you my brother of muscle
Unfortunately im not into acting and this is not a play. This aint some American movie you grew up with.
This is about your future and you're letting yourself down without realising it
This is my last advice, quit focusing on trying to give me 'blabla' answers and Stand up for yourself!
It is not too late!
Remember this Steve, you be smart now and opportunities will come to you.
Go on now, i have taught u the basics. Be free
will i get the feeling you would be calling steve 'sir' in person.
epic jealousy of a muscular behemoth.
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take Arvilla, for example, i wouldn't say that his physique is 75-90% better on the juice because he doesn't respond that well to drugs, and so there probably wouldn't be that great a discrepancy between Mike's juiced physique and what his naturally trained physique would be.
however, a pro physique practically by definition is one that responds extremely well to drugs (whether the amount taken is a little or a lot), and so logically there's a much greater discrepancy between his juiced physique and his natural one.
maybe arvilla is poor and doesnt have the ability to use alot of aas and has never been able to afford gh and doesnt use slin.
maybe pros dont respond better they just use more train harder eat more and have ability and knowedge to use other stuff than jus AAS
no way to tell if a pro has got "good response" or just "lots of drugs".......just as theres no way to tell if a guy gots "bad response" or just "bunk drugs"
there are differences in how well hormones work in people, but not huge drastic differences that would make one man ronnie coleman and one man billy guns. with all thihngs equal, two guys with opposite response would still look comparible.
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Arvilla is a total muscle stud, love to lay up with that muscle pancake anyday hmm mmm. He responds well to AAS he is HUGE, have you seen pictures of him? Maybe not, but don't say he isn't big. Also I am sure Mike could afford GH if he wanted to, he just chooses not to, he doesn't want a GH gut, he has a very nice body now.
jt
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jt Chick could be the man your looking for. ;D
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Well thank you my brother of muscle
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no drugs no mr olympia! drugs=100% :D
the only difference between a great natural like Jrod and a 250lb top bber is drugs
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It's Not Drug use it's Drug abuse.
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You just hit the nail on the head. Many young BB'rs believe that the more you take, the bigger you'll get and everything will be okay - without getting themselves tested for liver, blood, and heart as they go along. It's true, these side-affects don't occur over night but they do occur. If you are using juice, don't be afraid to go to the doctor and get tested for everything. Instead of being afraid, you should WANT to have your levels checked.
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OK, but if our point of view is totally different and this is a bodybuilding forum and I'm a professional bodybuilder...then what are doing on this board...? ???
Should that read Broke Professional bodybuilder??
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Some here say it's all SCRIPTS. ::)
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Should that read Broke Professional bodybuilder??
you are trying too hard homie
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You can tell switznegger is in love.
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What are you talking about they ABUSE DRUGS is that something to be PROUD OF???