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Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« on: January 24, 2010, 03:07:57 PM »
I'm ready to bring the Arnold VS Mike Mentzer (Volume Training VS HIT) to a conclusion for once and for all.  I hereby go on record saying that Arnold is The Man, that Volume Training is the best way to go, and Mike Mentzer was a weirdo.  End of story.
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2010, 03:10:02 PM »
I'm ready to bring the Arnold VS Mike Mentzer (Volume Training VS HIT) to a conclusion for once and for all.  I hereby go on record saying that Arnold is The Man, that Volume Training is the best way to go, and Mike Mentzer was a weirdo.  End of story.
The mentzer way is best for naturals due to recovery from excercise. If you take roids then volume is ok.

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2010, 03:15:18 PM »
The mentzer way is best for naturals due to recovery from excercise. If you take roids then volume is ok.
I'm currently doing a cycle of Hot Stuff and doing Arnold's routine and I can't wait to get back in the gym tonight.
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2010, 03:21:02 PM »
There's no set rules. Everyone is at different stages of training and being able to put stress on the muscle.

I would do more sets for a beginner because they don't have the strength or time in the gym to break down the muscle in only a few. Training heavier also helps with this. But as you get stronger you need less. The longer you train the better you can break down the muscle with a set so you need less. That's all there is, that's how Dorian did it.

Arnold doing that much in his prime says to me he didn't have enough intensity....but it was Arnold so i guess he did. So drugs definately offset things there. I know even when i was on gear doing even 10 sets per bodypart would have compeletely fucked me so i can only say he wasn't really putting everything into every set. You just can't do that for 10 sets for one bodypart if you are strong enough.

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2010, 03:27:33 PM »
Yeah right.
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2010, 03:29:07 PM »
I'm ready to bring the Arnold VS Mike Mentzer (Volume Training VS HIT) to a conclusion for once and for all.  I hereby go on record saying that Arnold is The Man, that Volume Training is the best way to go, and Mike Mentzer was a weirdo.  End of story.

HIT doesn't work for everyone and Arnold is the man


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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2010, 03:31:48 PM »
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2010, 03:32:16 PM »
Sigh. Intensity will always stand triumphant over volume, this isn't even a debate. PROPER HIT training will give you the most bang for your buck.

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2010, 03:33:15 PM »
Sigh. Intensity will always stand triumphant over volume, this isn't even a debate. PROPER HIT training will give you the most bang for your buck.
Get bent
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2010, 03:34:44 PM »
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Nice pic ND where the hell did that come from? Ken Waller getting ready to somebody's ass

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2010, 03:36:38 PM »
I'm currently doing a cycle of Hot Stuff

That's like stacking Plazmosis with Animal Pak and MuscleTech - crazy :o

P.S: Arnold >>>>>> Mentzer

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2010, 03:37:15 PM »
Get bent

To each their own. It works for me and at least a dozen other people I train with and have trained.

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2010, 03:38:19 PM »
Nice pic ND where the hell did that come from? Ken Waller getting ready to somebody's ass

Notice Mentzer in the background? not amused by Arnold's bullshit? textbook jealously

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2010, 03:39:12 PM »
To each their own. It works for me and at least a dozen other people I train with and have trained.

So you look equal to or better than this?
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2010, 03:39:35 PM »
Notice Mentzer in the background? not amused by Arnold's bullshit? textbook jealously

Arnold has a much better shirt than him

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2010, 03:41:51 PM »
Notice Mentzer in the background? not amused by Arnold's bullshit? textbook jealously
I saw that drinking a vodka and orange juice I assume

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2010, 03:42:05 PM »

So you look equal to or better than this?

Of course I don't, I'm 21 and devoid of all drugs. I do however look better than all of the natural volume trainers at any of the gyms that I train at, especially considering how little time compared to them I actually spend training.

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2010, 03:43:20 PM »
Might I add, I love Arnold AND Mentzer for different reasons.

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2010, 03:44:37 PM »
FRIENDLY REMINDER - BODYBUILDING IS NOT A SPORT
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2010, 03:46:05 PM »
I'm ready to bring the Arnold VS Mike Mentzer (Volume Training VS HIT) to a conclusion for once and for all.  I hereby go on record saying that Arnold is The Man, that Volume Training is the best way to go, and Mike Mentzer was a weirdo.  End of story.

QFT

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2010, 03:46:54 PM »
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hey ND,,,
"I vant to start gaining some muscles."

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2010, 03:47:20 PM »
Of course I don't, I'm 21 and devoid of all drugs. I do however look better than all of the natural volume trainers at any of the gyms that I train at, especially considering how little time compared to them I actually spend training.
No further questions.
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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2010, 03:49:38 PM »
hey ND,,,
"I vant to start gaining some muscles."

 ;)

 ;D

Arnold owns

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Re: Arnold VS Mentzer: The Definitive Thread
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2010, 03:53:05 PM »
;D

Arnold owns

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it's funny that some people think it's even close,,, or even better than mentzer was robbed... lol
i mean mentzer had a great build, don't get me wrong but to compare to or say a "few percent better as" arnold  ::) c'mon now.

arnold owned all for a long time.