Author Topic: Does letro help prevent deca induced gyno? (Read 6144 times)

theworm · « **on:** July 28, 2010, 05:58:24 AM »

anyone know?

also, would it help with deca induced acne?

(i get pretty bad acne on deca)

ksa_triceps · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2010, 06:37:42 AM »

For me, it helped get rid of gyno symptoms (itchiness), it actually stopped it completely. Didn't help at all with deca acne.

Overload · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2010, 09:29:00 AM »

No.

It's good at making your dick limp though.

theworm · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2010, 09:46:15 AM »

Quote from: Overload on July 28, 2010, 09:29:00 AM

No.

It's good at making your dick limp though.

no to what? the gyno question, or the acne question?

jerseymuscles113 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2010, 10:33:24 AM »

Letro to my knowledge is the best way to reduce/clear up Gyno besides surgery...when i took It i didn't notice any decrease in my sex drive all thou almost everyone who uses It reports their sex drive bein killed...my personal experience was good dried me out and sex was fine only negative side i got was aching/sore joints

tbombz · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2010, 10:46:01 AM »

gyno development is caused by high estro levels. letro inhibits the production of estro in the body. so yes, letro will prevent the build up of gyno, regardless what steroid is causing it.

deca alone shouldnt ever cause gyno, since it doesnt aromatize (convert to estrogen) very readily. when combined with other steroids, like test for example, it can cause a bit more of the test to convert into estro. either way, the letro would stop this.

i think your asking because of the internet hype concerning "prolactin" and deca. if i recall correctly, prolactin is what can cause a developed mammary gland (gyno) to start lactating. but it doesnt cause gyno to develop, that is estrogen.

ksa_triceps · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2010, 10:55:05 AM »

Quote from: jerseymuscles113 on July 28, 2010, 10:33:24 AM

Letro to my knowledge is the best way to reduce/clear up Gyno besides surgery...when i took It i didn't notice any decrease in my sex drive all thou almost everyone who uses It reports their sex drive bein killed...my personal experience was good dried me out and sex was fine only negative side i got was aching/sore joints

It surely killed it for me. One day (while on letro) I was wondering why I stopped watching porn, so I opened up one of my favorite scenes and nothing happened. It was like I was watching the news.

theworm · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2010, 03:30:07 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 28, 2010, 10:46:01 AM

gyno development is caused by high estro levels. letro inhibits the production of estro in the body. so yes, letro will prevent the build up of gyno, regardless what steroid is causing it.

deca alone shouldnt ever cause gyno, since it doesnt aromatize (convert to estrogen) very readily. when combined with other steroids, like test for example, it can cause a bit more of the test to convert into estro. either way, the letro would stop this.

i think your asking because of the internet hype concerning "prolactin" and deca. if i recall correctly, prolactin is what can cause a developed mammary gland (gyno) to start lactating. but it doesnt cause gyno to develop, that is estrogen.

I think deca aromatizes at a rate of about 20% of what test does. but interesting point, that maybe deca causes test to aromatize more?

4thAD · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2010, 04:58:21 PM »

My thoughts are still up in the air about prolactin induced gyno. My TRT Doc sure does believe in it. I think if you are running A SERM, or an AI right from the beginning of you're cycle you may be able to keep gyno at bay, but once it sets in, and prolactin is high(from deca and or tren), I think the only thing that will get rid of it is a prolactin antagonizer, along with a SERM or an AI. THere have been many cycles that I have run where I personally had sore nipples(especially my left side) and even aromasin would not take it away. The only thing that worked for me was was dostinex, Bromo, or Prami.

benchmstr · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2010, 05:06:48 PM »

Quote from: 4thAD on July 28, 2010, 04:58:21 PM

My thoughts are still up in the air about prolactin induced gyno. My TRT Doc sure does believe in it. I think if you are running A SERM, or an AI right from the beginning of you're cycle you may be able to keep gyno at bay, but once it sets in, and prolactin is high(from deca and or tren), I think the only thing that will get rid of it is a prolactin antagonizer, along with a SERM or an AI. THere have been many cycles that I have run where I personally had sore nipples(especially my left side) and even aromasin would not take it away. The only thing that worked for me was was dostinex, Bromo, or Prami.

thats my thought on it too.....

....i have noticed lately that a lot of guys are under the impression that HGC is a anti e/serm......which explains a lot of gyno that i see...i dont see how they can have no clue about a substance that they are INJECTING into their body...

i also noticed how nobody anymore really knows anything about bromo, or prami...

bench

tbombz · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2010, 05:10:58 PM »

its likely that the soreness was caused by the production of "milk" or whatever the hell it is that lactates out of gyno when prolactin is up.. get ur girl to suck on it when it feels like that, if you have a titty orgasm and she sucks out some bitter juice, u kno its the prolactin..

4thAD · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2010, 05:11:39 PM »

Quote from: benchmstr on July 28, 2010, 05:06:48 PM

thats my thought on it too.....

....i have noticed lately that a lot of guys are under the impression that HGC is a anti e/serm......which explains a lot of gyno that i see...i dont see how they can have no clue about a substance that they are INJECTING into their body...

i also noticed how nobody anymore really knows anything about bromo, or prami...

bench

Ahhh come on over to Xtrxxl.com, you will be surprised how much great knowledge is over there. Lots of guys using Prami, and bromo. I think the reason for the lack of knowledge on those two drugs is because of Dostinex/Cabaser, which are much more mild than bromo, and still get the job done.

4thAD · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2010, 05:21:02 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 28, 2010, 05:10:58 PM

its likely that the soreness was caused by the production of "milk" Which would be prolactin induced gyno, right? or whatever the hell it is that lactates out of gyno when prolactin is up.. get ur girl to suck on it when it feels like that, if you have a titty orgasm and she sucks out some bitter juice, u kno its the prolactin..

Nah I dont think so. Ive struggled with sore nips for a long time. The feeling of gyno coming on is like no other. There have also been times where I have been using adex, and mid cycle started tren and nandralone, and when these drugs were started puffy, sore nipples suddenly appear. Its funny to me how prevelant this problem is when using these two drugs, but only a few select people on a few select boards call it internet hype. I'm not bashing your thoughts on this T, because you have come a long way. My thoughts on this are still up in the air. Also I haven't seen any studies on this issue.

g101 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2010, 09:48:04 PM »

Quote from: Overload on July 28, 2010, 09:29:00 AM

No.

It's good at making your dick limp though.

x2 at limp dick

i stacked 2.5mg + 20mg nolvadex (all legit hg) for 3 weeks

effects: felt amazing overall....... BUT my dick literally didn't work at 100% for a good 4-5 months and at the time i just starting going out with a girl and she thought it was her in bed when i actually knew what was the cause

4thAD · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2010, 07:41:40 AM »

Quote from: g101 on July 29, 2010, 09:48:04 PM

x2 at limp dick

i stacked 2.5mg + 20mg nolvadex (all legit hg) for 3 weeks

effects: felt amazing overall....... BUT my dick literally didn't work at 100% for a good 4-5 months and at the time i just starting going out with a girl and she thought it was her in bed when i actually knew what was the cause

2.5mg is way to much letro. No need to run that much what so ever, unless your just knocking gyno. Then the dosed should be dropped, or the drug should be changed to adex.

theworm · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:45:00 AM »

you think if I kept the deca to around 400mg I would have much issues with prolactin?

was going to use low dose letro anyway, to keep off the fluid.

4thAD · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2010, 11:06:34 AM »

Quote from: theworm on July 30, 2010, 10:45:00 AM

you think if I kept the deca to around 400mg I would have much issues with prolactin?

was going to use low dose letro anyway, to keep off the fluid.

I cant really answer that as we are all different. I had no problem running 400mg deca, but when I bump it to 600mg I need something for prolactin.

theworm · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:14:59 PM »

u think bromo would also help with the deca induced acne?

never a zit when i run test, but deca makes me had crazy red nodules on arms and back.

tbombz · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:56:35 PM »

Quote from: 4thAD on July 28, 2010, 05:21:02 PM

Nah I dont think so. Ive struggled with sore nips for a long time. The feeling of gyno coming on is like no other. There have also been times where I have been using adex, and mid cycle started tren and nandralone, and when these drugs were started puffy, sore nipples suddenly appear. Its funny to me how prevelant this problem is when using these two drugs, but only a few select people on a few select boards call it internet hype. I'm not bashing your thoughts on this T, because you have come a long way. My thoughts on this are still up in the air. Also I haven't seen any studies on this issue.

ive never used bromo and rarely use any ai. i have had gyno for a couple years now and its flared up and lactated on me durign a few different periods. usually when on tren or dbol. been awhile since i used dbol but the last time it made my titties squirt alot of bitter juice when my gf would milk em

theworm · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2010, 05:48:04 AM »

seth roberts has an article in the september issue of MD.

He quotes studies etc on deca. says the progestin aspects contribute nothing to the development of gyno, its the estrogens, specifically "estrone" that is produced from the deca. he does not say if this estrone is produced through the aromatization process or what. but if letro reduces etrogen to undetectible levels, seems like letro will prevent gyno on deca.

4thAD · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2010, 10:24:43 AM »

What we see on paper doesnt always work in the real world. Good Luck, you might want to keep some dostinex on hand just in case.

theworm · « **Reply #21 on:** July 31, 2010, 08:40:05 PM »

found this from steroid.com:

Nandrolone is a good drug, but it is not perfect. With its chemical structure it acts directly on the receptor of the female sex hormone—progesterone—with a binding rate of 20% of the actual hormone (14). Despite its low aromatizing rate, this can lead to breast growth in gyno-prone individuals. There is no need for panic though, because the drugs letrozole (femera) or fulvestrant can easily combat this (15) reaction.