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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/health/cloth-masks-covid-cdc.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR2yoMxNw3-BR5t9yVZs7IrLCWPmmeVetLfWJIYa26wQ4wnGUYWYDnl9Beo
Yup !
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That's not what the article states.
The CDC said cloth masks are not as effective as N95 masks.
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That's not what the article states.
The CDC said cloth masks are not as effective as N95 masks.
The cloth masks are worthless. Everyone knows it.
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The cloth masks are worthless. Everyone knows it.
No, they are not worthless. They offer some additional protection. Conservatively, they are 30% effective. I'm wearing my cloth one right now. I ripped a small piece of a napkin and placed it on my desk here at work. With my cloth mask on I got as close to the napkin as possible without touching it. I blew as hard as I could (no homo) through the mask and the sliver of a napkin didn't budge. You don't want to wear a mask. Neither do I. But you are not being honest about whether they work or not.
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Like trying to keep mosquitos out of your yard with chain link fence.
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No, they are not worthless. They offer some additional protection. Conservatively, they are 30% effective. I'm wearing my cloth one right now. I ripped a small piece of a napkin and placed it on my desk here at work. With my cloth mask on I got as close to the napkin as possible without touching it. I blew as hard as I could (no homo) through the mask and the sliver of a napkin didn't budge. You don't want to wear a mask. Neither do I. But you are not being honest about whether they work or not.
You are making up that 30 percent figure. There is no science showing that cloth masks are effective at stopping the transmission of this virus. I know you're probably just making a common sense argument, because logically you would think masks of any kind would be effective. But that's not what the science shows.
Even the only scientific study showing that N95 masks provide some protection is not reliable. They used mannequins and sprayed particles at the covered mannequins. That does not mimic real life. In reality, the masks are repeatedly taken on and off, we repeatedly put our hands under the masks, they are in our pockets, on desks, floors, etc.
All you have to do is look at the places with draconian mask mandates (like Hawaii) and see that mask mandates have done nothing to slow the spread of this virus. You cannot stop or slow the spread of this virus with masks.
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You are making up that 30 percent figure. There is no science showing that cloth masks are effective at stopping the transmission of this virus. I know you're probably just making a common sense argument, because logically you would think masks of any kind would be effective. But that's not what the science shows.
Even the only scientific study showing that N95 masks provide some protection is not reliable. They used mannequins and sprayed particles at the covered mannequins. That does not mimic real life. In reality, the masks are repeatedly taken on and off, we repeatedly put our hands under the masks, they are in our pockets, on desks, floors, etc.
All you have to do is look at the places with draconian mask mandates (like Hawaii) and see that mask mandates have done nothing to slow the spread of this virus. You cannot stop or slow the spread of this virus with masks.
Not making it up. Someone from the CDC was on the news and slapped the 30% number on cloth masks. She said they aren't ideal but better than nothing.
Obviously, if you take off the mask it isn't effective. But if I have covid and sneeze in your face whilst wearing a mask, you have a better than good chance of not catching it.
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No, they are not worthless. They offer some additional protection. Conservatively, they are 30% effective. I'm wearing my cloth one right now. I ripped a small piece of a napkin and placed it on my desk here at work. With my cloth mask on I got as close to the napkin as possible without touching it. I blew as hard as I could (no homo) through the mask and the sliver of a napkin didn't budge. You don't want to wear a mask. Neither do I. But you are not being honest about whether they work or not.
Cool story Linus.
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Not making it up. Someone from the CDC was on the news and slapped the 30% number on cloth masks. She said they aren't ideal but better than nothing.
Obviously, if you take off the mask it isn't effective. But if I have covid and sneeze in your face whilst wearing a mask, you have a better than good chance of not catching it.
Ok my bad about the 30 percent number. Regardless of who it comes from, it's a made up number. It is not based on scientific study.
I understand what you're saying. Context matters though. We're really talking about mask mandates and whether they are a proportional response to this virus. The answer from a science perspective is clearly "no."
Bruh just think about how crazy these mandates are. You have to wear your mask on the plane while eating and drinking, in between bites and sips. You have to wear your mask to enter a restaurant, but can take it off as soon as you get to your table. Forcing 2 and 3 year old kids to wear masks. It's insane.
I don't fault anyone for choosing to wear a mask or taking any measures they believe will protect their health. But forcing people to wear something that is not supported by science is wrong.
And we're all getting this virus. It is endemic. It's never going away. We have to learn to live with it just like the flu.
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Ok my bad about the 30 percent number. Regardless of who it comes from, it's a made up number. It is not based on scientific study.
I understand what you're saying. Context matters though. We're really talking about mask mandates and whether they are a proportional response to this virus. The answer from a science perspective is clearly "no."
Bruh just think about how crazy these mandates are. You have to wear your mask on the plane while eating and drinking, in between bites and sips. You have to wear your mask to enter a restaurant, but can take it off as soon as you get to your table. Forcing 2 and 3 year old kids to wear masks. It's insane.
I don't fault anyone for choosing to wear a mask or taking any measures they believe will protect their health. But forcing people to wear something that is not supported by science is wrong.
And we're all getting this virus. It is endemic. It's never going away. We have to learn to live with it just like the flu.
I'm not a big mandate guy. I don't want lockdowns. I take issue with the title of this thread. It's misleading at best. I was replying to the title of this thread. Nothing more. On a lighter note, I am still struggling to get invested in basketball this year. I hope the trade deadline produces some good moves and re-captures my interest. I suspect that it will. Also, my fucking Pistons need to stop winning. LOL.
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They’re worthless. Even the N95’s for the public.
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I'm not a big mandate guy. I don't want lockdowns. I take issue with the title of this thread. It's misleading at best. I was replying to the title of this thread. Nothing more. On a lighter note, I am still struggling to get invested in basketball this year. I hope the trade deadline produces some good moves and re-captures my interest. I suspect that it will. Also, my fucking Pistons need to stop winning. LOL.
I think the title is essentially accurate. The CDC is never going to admit mistakes. Their new guidance is as close as they will come to admitting they have been lying to the public about the effectiveness of cloth masks. Those people are diabolical. I listened to an interview the other day by a reporter who exposed a study that purportedly confirmed mask mandates in schools work. (The don't.) Contained alarmingly misleading info. Supported by the CDC.
I'm actually a little more optimistic about my Lakers, even though they just lost to the Kings. ::) The Frozen One is playing his best basketball of the year. Monk was a steal. He's the real deal. Anthony "Street Clothes" Davis is supposed to come back in a couple weeks. The team overall has played well the past five or six games (except for WestBrick). I'm thinking they will put it together the second half of the season.
Don't really care about the rest of the league. lol
Your Pistons have a pretty firm grip on a lottery pick, so doesn't look like you have anything to worry about.
What I'm really focused on is my Niners on Sunday. It feels like the 90s all over again. :)
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I'm not a big mandate guy. I don't want lockdowns. I take issue with the title of this thread. It's misleading at best. I was replying to the title of this thread. Nothing more. On a lighter note, I am still struggling to get invested in basketball this year. I hope the trade deadline produces some good moves and re-captures my interest. I suspect that it will. Also, my fucking Pistons need to stop winning. LOL.
you shouldnt 'take issue' with anything posed here
why so serious on getbig?
like it matters
you wanna be a mask-nut feel free
dont want to wear one feel free
they are not doing much
you will catch the virus if in the right situation
mask will not help
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"The C.D.C. conceded that cloth masks do not protect against the virus as effectively as other masks (respirator type/N95)."
Nothing new in this article. Everybody already knows this.
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you shouldnt 'take issue' with anything posed here
why so serious on getbig?
like it matters
you wanna be a mask-nut feel free
dont want to wear one feel free
they are not doing much
you will catch the virus if in the right situation
mask will not help
Thanks for talking me off the ledge. 🤣
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Thanks for talking me off the ledge. 🤣
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a-brah g.
no worries
any relation to hazmat brah? :P
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Like trying to keep mosquitos out of your yard with chain link fence.
This is nothing more than a false clever seeming analogy.
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This is nothing more than a false clever seeming analogy.
Because the lies are being believed at things explained at a child level, the analogies to debunk should be explained that way as well.
So....have it your way.
Two layers of cloth mask is said to stop about 70-80% of the vapor from a cough..not the virus - the vapor. One cough. I won't even dispute that. Fine.
Now wear one all day around people...everyone is doing what? Cough, breathe, cough, breath, sniffle, sneeze, nose out of mask, etc...thousands of times...and do the math of what the chances are that it would be effective in real world terms.
...and that's two single ply masks...
Obviously, it's not effective. Never was.
HTH
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Because the lies are being believed at things explained at a child level, the analogies to debunk should be explained that way as well.
So....have it your way.
Two layers of cloth mask is said to stop about 70-80% of the vapor from a cough..not the virus - the vapor. One cough. I won't even dispute that. Fine.
Now wear one all day around people...everyone is doing what? Cough, breathe, cough, breath, sniffle, sneeze, nose out of mask, etc...thousands of times...and do the math of what the chances are that it would be effective in real world terms.
...and that's two single ply masks...
Obviously, it's not effective. Never was.
HTH
I must be superhuman. It is rare that I cough or sneeze. You make it seem like everyone is out there in public coughing the lungs out and sneezing their heads off.
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I must be superhuman. It is rare that I cough or sneeze. You make it seem like everyone is out there in public coughing the lungs out and sneezing their heads off.
Wouldn't matter, as soon as the mask is taken out of the package and exposed to the air, it's potentially infected. Every time you put your grubby hands on your face, touch your mask, remove it and then put it back on, all possibly exposure events. Even the precious n95 masks are not immune to this fact. And if you don't treat your precious n95 mask delicately, it too will be a harbor for viruses. This mask BS is simply that, BS.
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They’re worthless. Even the N95’s for the public.
hmmmm, I may have to rethink my position on the N95. Apparently I was mislead by the laboratory testing. Coach states they are worthless for the public. Coach would not lie, exaggerate or spread false information, everyone knows that, so the only conclusion that makes sense is the N95 is indeed worthless
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hmmmm, I may have to rethink my position on the N95. Apparently I was mislead by the laboratory testing. Coach states they are worthless for the public. Coach would not lie, exaggerate or spread false information, everyone knows that, so the only conclusion that makes sense is the N95 is indeed worthless
You have a point. Apparently a whole lot of people are 'dead' wrong about N85 masks. ;D
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You have a point. Apparently a whole lot of people are 'dead' wrong about N85 masks. ;D
Yes. Because in the real world situations used by real people , they don’t do anything for reasons previously listed.
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No, they are not worthless. They offer some additional protection. Conservatively, they are 30% effective. I'm wearing my cloth one right now. I ripped a small piece of a napkin and placed it on my desk here at work. With my cloth mask on I got as close to the napkin as possible without touching it. I blew as hard as I could (no homo) through the mask and the sliver of a napkin didn't budge. You don't want to wear a mask. Neither do I. But you are not being honest about whether they work or not.
Cloth masks add 5 minutes of protection vs unmasked.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cloth-face-mask-omicron-11640984082
Basically useless.
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Cloth masks add 5 minutes of protection vs unmasked.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cloth-face-mask-omicron-11640984082
Basically useless.
For the most part the only time I wear a mask is when I go to the store and most of the time I'm in and out in 5 minutes
So I guess the cloth mask would be just fine
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hmmmm, I may have to rethink my position on the N95. Apparently I was mislead by the laboratory testing. Coach states they are worthless for the public. Coach would not lie, exaggerate or spread false information, everyone knows that, so the only conclusion that makes sense is the N95 is indeed worthless
You forgot to login as "lurkerhomore"
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I must be superhuman. It is rare that I cough or sneeze. You make it seem like everyone is out there in public coughing the lungs out and sneezing their heads off.
Compound what you just said by 2 years x 8-12 hours per day. THINK critically on this for god's sake. ;D
Has anyone ever seen a hazmat disposal barrel for used masks? DING DING maybe that's a hint that it's a ruse.
FFS FOLKS HAHA THINK A LITTLE
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For the most part the only time I wear a mask is when I go to the store and most of the time I'm in and out in 5 minutes
So I guess the cloth mask would be just fine
We have a mask mandate where I live and you have to wear these stupid things everywhere basically.
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For the most part the only time I wear a mask is when I go to the store and most of the time I'm in and out in 5 minutes
So I guess the cloth mask would be just fine
Maybe.
But making a child in school wear one all day is a different story.
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hmmmm, I may have to rethink my position on the N95. Apparently I was mislead by the laboratory testing. Coach states they are worthless for the public. Coach would not lie, exaggerate or spread false information, everyone knows that, so the only conclusion that makes sense is the N95 is indeed worthless
Hope you have a lot of n95's since they don't last long at all. :( The whole mask charade has fallen apart.
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a-brah g.
no worries
any relation to hazmat brah? :P
No relation dude.
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For the most part the only time I wear a mask is when I go to the store and most of the time I'm in and out in 5 minutes
So I guess the cloth mask would be just fine
Either your a very fast shopper, you don't buy a lot of groceries or you go to the store really often, like several times a day. If that is the case, in fairness you should lump all those times into one. It might inspire you to get a case of N95 masks.
Yesterday while at the grocery store, the person in front of me in line was wearing a face shield. Luckily, I stood 6 or more feet away from her.
BTW, I'm still using cloth masks with replaceable inserts. Not the CDC recommended choice. Oh well, better than no mask. No mask means no entry where I live. Yesterday, I saw a sign in front of a popular restaurant reading "proof of vaccine required". My guess is this is going to become quite commonplace.