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What Would Happen If We Adopted The Gold Standard?
« on: June 12, 2009, 03:37:05 PM »
Thanks largely to Ron Paul, the idea of switching to the gold standard is back in circulation. Even on this website, libertarian Alvaro Vargas Llosa advocated it, complaining that "money was too important to be left to the politicians," and Tucker Carlson credulously speculated that Ron Paul's gold fixation might mean "the Ron Paul movement is more sophisticated than most journalists understand."

But it turns out that switching to the gold standard is a terrible idea. To clear up the issue, I called Professor Jeff Frieden, a monetary expert at Harvard, to find out exactly what would happen if we made the switch.

    * The United States would be unable to respond quickly and effectively to sudden economic shocks. Recessions would be deeper and longer, and the economy would be biased towards deflationary spirals. Witness the fact that the United States, which remained on the gold standard till 1933, had a much longer and deeper recession than Britain, which had gone off gold in 1931.

    Milton Freidman himself (often cited as the supreme authority by gold-standard bearers) warned about just this problem in his magnum opus, Monetary History of the United States, 1867-1960, instead advocating a steadily-expanding supply of paper money.

    * It would increase government regulation of the economy. With no Fed, inexpert Congress will bear the onus of alleviating economic suffering. With deeper, longer recessions, Congressmen will inevitably succumb to pressure for more spending and regulation of the economy--as they did during the Great Depression.

    Indeed, Fed management of the money supply was originally meant to stave off calls for socialism by rendering free-market capitalism more resilient, flexible, and humane. Switching back to gold would breathe new life into anti-capitalist politics.

    * It would increase our reliance on foreign credit and ship yet more jobs overseas. Ron Paul says "our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia." But adopting the gold standard would actually exacerbate this problem, not alleviate it.

    Assuming we're not in a recession, economic growth would then continually cause deflation, making domestically-produced products more expensive and foreign imports cheaper--increasing consumption of imports. The trade deficit would continue to balloon at the expense of American jobs.

    * Insofar as it helps anybody, the gold standard would favor Wall Street bankers over entrepreneurs, businesses, and workers. Ron Paul likes to rail against Wall Street, complaining that our money is being "inflated at the behest of big government and big banks," who cause "[y]our income and savings [to] lose their value."

    But banks, being creditors, benefit from deflation, not inflation--since inflation makes it easier for debtors to pay back their loans at lower prices. Credit card bills and business loans would become more expensive, increasing everybody's debt except the banks'.

One of the great ironies of Ron Paul's campaign is that it was the inflexibility of the gold standard during the 1890s spawned the anti-Washington Populist movement, led by William Jennings Bryan (read his eloquent attack on the gold standard here)

Now, Ron Paul leads a movement with similar populist tendencies. But--perversely--he's on a crusade to resurrect a great symbol of Wall Street-Washington dominance over the individual.
 
Not only would the gold standard have disastrous effects for the U.S. economy, it would undermine liberty, increase debt, and weaken the country. Somewhere, Alexander Hamilton's ghost is cracking a smile.
 
--Barron YoungSmith

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/02/19/what-would-happen-if-we-adopted-the-gold-standard.aspx

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Re: What Would Happen If We Adopted The Gold Standard?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 04:15:50 PM »
Even if american wanted to it can not switch to the GOLD STANDARD as it possess no gold adn is not in a position to purchase enough gold to make such a switch. That would also be catastrophic to the scum that control the money supply of america. Switching to gold would essentially cut their arms off and force a HONEST SYSTEM INTO PLACE. this would change banking, interest rates, loans etc. In the long run it would be great, but in the short run it would literally be impossible to bring into being.
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Re: What Would Happen If We Adopted The Gold Standard?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 05:18:48 PM »
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Thanks largely to Ron Paul, the idea of switching to the gold standard is back in circulation.


What you really mean is that the Obama Administration and the Democrats have caused the idea of switching to the gold standard to be back in circulation. That's Because thier irresponsible government spending and treatment of the dollar is the only reason that you would want to be on the gold standard.

The problem with the gold standard is that it allows inflation or deflation to occur too easily and cannot quickly fix it. But the upside is that it keeps either one within a reasonable range.
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Re: What Would Happen If We Adopted The Gold Standard?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 05:45:56 PM »
Even if american wanted to it can not switch to the GOLD STANDARD as it possess no gold adn is not in a position to purchase enough gold to make such a switch. That would also be catastrophic to the scum that control the money supply of america. Switching to gold would essentially cut their arms off and force a HONEST SYSTEM INTO PLACE. this would change banking, interest rates, loans etc. In the long run it would be great, but in the short run it would literally be impossible to bring into being.

Hahaha, so you, from your computer in southern France (as your gimmick claims) knows how much gold we have over here in America? Good one.  ::)

Thanks largely to Ron Paul, the idea of switching to the gold standard is back in circulation. Even on this website, libertarian Alvaro Vargas Llosa advocated it, complaining that "money was too important to be left to the politicians," and Tucker Carlson credulously speculated that Ron Paul's gold fixation might mean "the Ron Paul movement is more sophisticated than most journalists understand."

But it turns out that switching to the gold standard is a terrible idea. To clear up the issue, I called Professor Jeff Frieden, a monetary expert at Harvard, to find out exactly what would happen if we made the switch.

    * The United States would be unable to respond quickly and effectively to sudden economic shocks. Recessions would be deeper and longer, and the economy would be biased towards deflationary spirals. Witness the fact that the United States, which remained on the gold standard till 1933, had a much longer and deeper recession than Britain, which had gone off gold in 1931.

    Milton Freidman himself (often cited as the supreme authority by gold-standard bearers) warned about just this problem in his magnum opus, Monetary History of the United States, 1867-1960, instead advocating a steadily-expanding supply of paper money.

    * It would increase government regulation of the economy. With no Fed, inexpert Congress will bear the onus of alleviating economic suffering. With deeper, longer recessions, Congressmen will inevitably succumb to pressure for more spending and regulation of the economy--as they did during the Great Depression.

    Indeed, Fed management of the money supply was originally meant to stave off calls for socialism by rendering free-market capitalism more resilient, flexible, and humane. Switching back to gold would breathe new life into anti-capitalist politics.

    * It would increase our reliance on foreign credit and ship yet more jobs overseas. Ron Paul says "our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia." But adopting the gold standard would actually exacerbate this problem, not alleviate it.

    Assuming we're not in a recession, economic growth would then continually cause deflation, making domestically-produced products more expensive and foreign imports cheaper--increasing consumption of imports. The trade deficit would continue to balloon at the expense of American jobs.

    * Insofar as it helps anybody, the gold standard would favor Wall Street bankers over entrepreneurs, businesses, and workers. Ron Paul likes to rail against Wall Street, complaining that our money is being "inflated at the behest of big government and big banks," who cause "[y]our income and savings [to] lose their value."

    But banks, being creditors, benefit from deflation, not inflation--since inflation makes it easier for debtors to pay back their loans at lower prices. Credit card bills and business loans would become more expensive, increasing everybody's debt except the banks'.

One of the great ironies of Ron Paul's campaign is that it was the inflexibility of the gold standard during the 1890s spawned the anti-Washington Populist movement, led by William Jennings Bryan (read his eloquent attack on the gold standard here)

Now, Ron Paul leads a movement with similar populist tendencies. But--perversely--he's on a crusade to resurrect a great symbol of Wall Street-Washington dominance over the individual.
 
Not only would the gold standard have disastrous effects for the U.S. economy, it would undermine liberty, increase debt, and weaken the country. Somewhere, Alexander Hamilton's ghost is cracking a smile.
 
--Barron YoungSmith

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/02/19/what-would-happen-if-we-adopted-the-gold-standard.aspx

The gold standard has plenty of its own problems that come with it.

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Re: What Would Happen If We Adopted The Gold Standard?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 06:25:11 PM »
It would increase our reliance on foreign credit and ship yet more jobs overseas.
The trade deficit would continue to balloon at the expense of American jobs.
It would increase government regulation of the economy.
Insofar as it helps anybody, the gold standard would favor Wall Street bankers over entrepreneurs, businesses, and workers.




thank god we don't have the gold standard, we would have to endure all the above. oh wait ......

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Re: What Would Happen If We Adopted The Gold Standard?
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Re: What Would Happen If We Adopted The Gold Standard?
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2009, 12:31:44 AM »
Q:  What Would Happen If We Adopted The Gold Standard?
A:  There wouldn't be enough Gold for this to be possible.

Look out during he next 'Gold Rush' for the fact to be revealed that, just like Banks loaning money they don't have, financial institutions are selling you Gold they don't have either.

The Gold Standard isn't without it's faults but the major one is that it effectively limits the amount of wealth that can be created to the amount of Gold available. If we could only trade paper backed by Gold - how does the Worlds wealth exceed it's total Gold holdings.

Fiat currency isn't all that bad....