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Hitler was nominated as a joke and Stalin was pivotal in stopping the Nazi war machine. So what's your point?
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http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/nomination.php?action=show&showid=2609
The nomination was withdrawn in a letter of February 1, 1939.
It is already a well known fact that Hitlers nomination was a joke gone too far. An "intellectual" such as you, muscleman-2013, should know this.
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Stalin was pivotal in stopping the Nazi war machine.
durp
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http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/nomination.php?action=show&showid=2609
It is already a well known fact that Hitlers nomination was a joke gone too far. An "intellectual" such as you, muscleman-2013, should know this.
lolz
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Stalin was pivotal in stopping the Nazi war machine.
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Stalin was pivotal in stopping the Nazi war machine
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War Machine was pivotal in stopping the Stalinist Nazis
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some interesting an unexpected tattoos there on war machine
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Hitler was nominated as a joke and Stalin was pivotal in stopping the Nazi war machine. So what's your point?
Maybe Stalin was pivotal in stopping the Nazi war machine, but he was also responsible for murdering millions of his own people. So you think even after that he deserved that prize???
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Hitler was nominated as a joke and Stalin was pivotal in stopping the Nazi war machine. So what's your point?
hitler was not nominated as a joke, thats just a cpverup from the swedish socal democrats cause the one that nominated hitler was one of them. I habe rrad the letter he sent and you can clearly see it was not a joke. Many of them where nazi freandly
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http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/nomination.php?action=show&showid=2609
It is already a well known fact that Hitlers nomination was a joke gone too far. An "intellectual" such as you, muscleman-2013, should know this.
njetski. Erik brandt who nominated hitler did not do it as a joke. He looked up on hitler for uniting german and russia
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From the Nobel Prize website:
Adolf Hitler was nominated once in 1939. Incredulous though it may seem today, the Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1939, by a member of the Swedish parliament, an E.G.C. Brandt. Apparently though, Brandt never intended the nomination to be taken seriously. Brandt was to all intents and purposes a dedicated antifascist, and had intended this nomination more as a satiric criticism of the current political debate in Sweden. (At the time, a number of Swedish parliamentarians had nominated then British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlin for the Nobel Peace Prize, a nomination which Brandt viewed with great skepticism. ) However, Brandt's satirical intentions were not well received at all and the nomination was swiftly withdrawn in a letter dated 1 February 1939.
Joseph Stalin, the Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (1922-1953), was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1945 and 1948 for his efforts to end World War II.
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From the Nobel Prize website:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/facts/peace/ (http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/facts/peace/)
thats what he said after..nobel vomitee released the letter years ago and you cant see a trace of joke in it.
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Yoy have to understand how it was in sweden before germanys fall and after. The nazis had alot of supoorters in the swedish goverment, even the king. They made laws to stop one newapapers to write negative about nazi germany etc. But after the war they where ashamed and tried to cover it up as much as they could
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This is the transcript of Brandt's letter to the Norwegian Parliament’s Nobel committee. If you can't read the dripping sarcasm in the letter, then you can't read.
By his glowing love of peace, as previously documented best in his famous book Mein Kampf — perhaps only second to the bible, the finest and most widely distributed book — and his extraordinary deed of using only peaceful means, without bloodshed, to incorporate Austria with Germany, Adolf Hitler was induced at the above mentioned critical time to withhold from violence during the liberation of his homesick countrymen in Sudetenland, and in his legitimate quest to make his fatherland great and powerful. It is very likely that Hitler, when left undisturbed in peace by the existing warmongers, will be able to follow through with his high purpose, and within a reasonable time will pacify Europe and perhaps the entire world.
There are, however, an unfortunately large number of people who fail to see the magnitude of Hitler’s peace efforts, and I would out of consideration for this fact not have found the time to be right to bring forward Hitler as a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize, unless a number of members of the Swedish Parliament had suggested another candidate, namely the English Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Such a suggestion seems hardly thought through. Surely, it is true, that Chamberlain by his extraordinary consideration and understanding of Hitler’s peace efforts to a high degree has contributed to maintaining world peace, but the final decision was, however, with Hitler and not with Chamberlain! It is Adolf Hitler and no other whom we foremost have to thank for the fact that we still have peace in the major part of Europe, and we also tie the hopes of future peace to him.
Due to Chamberlain’s indisputable merits in working for peace, it would possibly be called for that a smaller part of the peace prize was awarded to him, but the proper thing would be, that no name should stand beside Adolf Hitler’s and cast a shadow upon it. Adolf Hitler is after all our time’s incomparable divinely gifted freedom fighter, and millions of people look up to him as if he were the Prince of Peace on earth.
Stockholm, January 27, 1939
E. G. C. Brandt, member of First Chamber of Parliament.
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Mensa Bob > Draco Reptilians > Hitler > Stalin
Nobel Piece Prize is mostly a circle jerk. EU officials are also handing out prizes among their puppets... what a waste of money and air.
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Maybe Stalin was pivotal in stopping the Nazi war machine, but he was also responsible for murdering millions of his own people. So you think even after that he deserved that prize???
Yep, he was the lesser of two evils, Imagine a world where NAZIS won, they would have made Stalin look like a saint.
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Yep, he was the lesser of two evils, Imagine a world where NAZIS won, they would have made Stalin look like a saint.
He may have been the lesser of two evils at that moment, but don't tell me that a guy that killed millions of his own people (some people say he killed even more that Hitler) deserve any prize. Go an read The Gulag Archipelago...
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Yep, he was the lesser of two evils, Imagine a world where NAZIS won, they would have made Stalin look like a saint.
Stalin was responsible for the deaths of more of his own people than Hitler.
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haha
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+ Stalin probably killed Lenin.
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+ Stalin probably killed Lenin.
That son of a bitch killed the Beatles dude!
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He may have been the lesser of two evils at that moment, but don't tell me that a guy that killed millions of his own people (some people say he killed even more that Hitler) deserve any prize. Go an read The Gulag Archipelago...
Phew. The Gulag Archipelago is a anti-soviet book written under patronage of english-speaking countries, released in English language in english-speaking countries even before it was released in USSR, quickly followed by a shit-ton of book awards. Reads like science fiction without science. It's by no means a history book, it's perfect example of Cold War propaganda. If you can't see it, you must be that perfect dumbed down target audience.
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Stalin was responsible for the deaths of more of his own people than Hitler.
Hey, I've also heard that Stalin bited the heads of newborn babies and drank their blood.
And a Hitler was actually nice guy to hang out with, educated and well-mannered, had a lot of great ideas.
True story.
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The Nobel Peace Prize is load of horseshit anyway. Didn't Obama win a few years back just for being black? :-\
PS. Nazism > Communism
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The Nobel Peace Prize is load of horseshit anyway. Didn't Obama win a few years back just for being black? :-\
PS. Nazism > Communism
They are the same, just slightly different surfaces. In the end it all boils down to a concept based on eradicating anyone not conforming to their ideas.
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They are the same, just slightly different surfaces. In the end it all boils down to a concept based on eradicating anyone not conforming to their ideas.
True.
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Phew. The Gulag Archipelago is a anti-soviet book written under patronage of english-speaking countries, released in English language in english-speaking countries even before it was released in USSR, quickly followed by a shit-ton of book awards. Reads like science fiction without science. It's by no means a history book, it's perfect example of Cold War propaganda. If you can't see it, you must be that perfect dumbed down target audience.
Maybe the book is propaganda, but I hope you are not denying the reality of the Gulags and Stalin's vicious regime...
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Maybe the book is propaganda, but I hope you are not denying the reality of the Gulags and Stalin's vicious regime...
As Gebbels said - when a lie is told 1000 times it becomes truth.
The reality is that Gulag is a jail. All countries have jails. For example, there is much more jails and prisoners in USA than it ever were in USSR. That particular Gulag jail was diabolized by mass media to the point you can think about Guantanamo as a resort in comparison.
There was no "vicious" regime, it was "preparation for war" regime, which implies hardship for population (also do not forget it was after WWI which had devastating results for USSR). When all of Europe folded under nazis, he was the one who united all people and resources around him and battled all the way to Berlin. And that scared the shit out of western leaders and that's why you are hearing and reading about how Stalin ate newborn for breakfast and killed millions by his own hand. They prefer to talk about The Battle of Normandy instead, forgetting who paid the most for that victory. All of it is a part of informational war in a global war for world dominance.
Serious efforts were applied in a western world to make Stalin an image of executioner and tyrant, because he was a threat and because USSR had enormous natural resources. The same now goes with Putin, cause he is a first real leader after a bunch of weak-minded persons, who robbed their own country. But thanks to Stalin again, Russia still have enough nuclear weapon to blow all the planet, otherwise it would be torn apart by West (USA, UK) a long time ago.
So you've read the wrong books, better choose them carefully. Next time you'll be blaming it all on arabs, russians or chinese try to think if you have real knowledge to back it up. I've been in these countries, talked to people and it is sad to see how all the shit flows in wrong direction.
They are the same, just slightly different surfaces. In the end it all boils down to a concept based on eradicating anyone not conforming to their ideas.
How did you come to that conclusion? Or it just sounds good in your head?
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As Gebbels said - when a lie is told 1000 times it becomes truth.
The reality is that Gulag is a jail. All countries have jails. For example, there is much more jails and prisoners in USA than it ever were in USSR. That particular Gulag jail was diabolized by mass media to the point you can think about Guantanamo as a resort in comparison.
There was no "vicious" regime, it was "preparation for war" regime, which implies hardship for population (also do not forget it was after WWI which had devastating results for USSR). When all of Europe folded under nazis, he was the one who united all people and resources around him and battled all the way to Berlin. And that scared the shit out of western leaders and that's why you are hearing and reading about how Stalin ate newborn for breakfast and killed millions by his own hand. They prefer to talk about The Battle of Normandy instead, forgetting who paid the most for that victory. All of it is a part of informational war in a global war for world dominance.
Serious efforts were applied in a western world to make Stalin an image of executioner and tyrant, because he was a threat and because USSR had enormous natural resources. The same now goes with Putin, cause he is a first real leader after a bunch of weak-minded persons, who robbed their own country. But thanks to Stalin again, Russia still have enough nuclear weapon to blow all the planet, otherwise it would be torn apart by West (USA, UK) a long time ago.
So you've read the wrong books, better choose them carefully. Next time you'll be blaming it all on arabs, russians or chinese try to think if you have real knowledge to back it up. I've been in these countries, talked to people and it is sad to see how all the shit flows in wrong direction.
"...there is much more jails and prisoners in USA than it ever were in USSR"? That doesn't make prisons in the US worse than gulags.
"Preparation for war" regime? What about after the war? Hitler also implanted a "preparation for war" regime, because Germany was in shatters after the Treaty of Versailles. Does that make Hitler's regime more valid?
Are you also implying that I should keep studying until I finally realize that Stalin was a good man? Maybe Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong-il, Idi Amin Dada were all good men, after all reports of their viciousness were probably lies repeated 1000 times. Well, maybe that story that 6.000.000 Jews were killed was also a lie, because it was also repeated thousands of times.
So I've read the wrong books. That's exactly what leftist people say when somebody argues that socialism is wrong. "You think socialism is bad because you've read propaganda". Very nice argument indeed. "I am right because I can distinguish good information from propaganda and you obviously don't" You think I've read the wrong books and you think you've read the right books. I think the opposite. Who is right? You cannot just tell my books were wrong. That is not a valid argument.
Well, you may be right and most people may be wrong, but I think that is not very likely. Just don't repeat more than 999 times that Stalin was a good man. Let people realize that by themselves.
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"...there is much more jails and prisoners in USA than it ever were in USSR"? That doesn't make prisons in the US worse than gulags.
"Preparation for war" regime? What about after the war? Hitler also implanted a "preparation for war" regime, because Germany was in shatters after the Treaty of Versailles. Does that make Hitler's regime more valid?
Are you also implying that I should keep studying until I finally realize that Stalin was a good man? Maybe Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong-il, Idi Amin Dada were all good men, after all reports of their viciousness were probably lies repeated 1000 times. Well, maybe that story that 6.000.000 Jews were killed was also a lie, because it was also repeated thousands of times.
So I've read the wrong books. That's exactly what leftist people say when somebody argues that socialism is wrong. "You think socialism is bad because you've read propaganda". Very nice argument indeed. "I am right because I can distinguish good information from propaganda and you obviously don't" You think I've read the wrong books and you think you've read the right books. I think the opposite. Who is right? You cannot just tell my books were wrong. That is not a valid argument.
Well, you may be right and most people may be wrong, but I think that is not very likely. Just don't repeat more than 999 times that Stalin was a good man. Let people realize that by themselves.
Dude, rather than get through my statements you are just making new ones. I'll try to speak even more popular on my position. I don't want to touch the details, I just try to appeal to your logic.
Hitler was attacking and Stalin was defending, try to understand the difference. If I break your skull, just because I think you're inferior genetic scum, would you still question me am I good or bad? Germans were prepared much better (here goes the question who gave them all the money) and just in few years Russians had to catch up to industrial progress that Germany made in dozen years. Think about it, that's not the easiest task to solve. Yes, Stalin fought to rule, as all political leaders do, but obviously he wasn't killing millions of his own people just for fun, Nazis were killing them. After the war you say? Check the number of war casualties in WWII for USSR. Sure they was tough years in soviet history, when most of people began life from scratch. If you consider that, Russian people done wonders with industry, agriculture, science and at some point became a superpower. Do you think it was because of Stalin was killing them or supporting them?
Gulag is wrong book to learn history, yes. Numbers called in this book are absolute horseshit, as everything else.
About repeating the lies - well, sorry to disappoint you, but that's how it works. Don't know if you follow conflict in Ukraine, they are in civil war now, but not long ago all of them were soviet people, who fought Hitler among the other soviet nations. There was no such country as Ukraine, it was just a one of soviet regions, but after the collapse of Soviet Union it became sovereign territory, a country, and an US protectorate. Now after 25 years of dumbing down and reeducation they don't know basic things about their own history and claim one of Nazi bastards (Bandera his name, if I'm not mistaken) to be one their national heroes. It's even sound ridiculous, they fought against Nazis and now they praise them. History can be easily rewritten, because most of people gain knowledge from newspapers, TV (all world major media are US and UK) and hollywood movies. If you go all out on media for years, yes, people will forget anything.
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Dude, rather than get through my statements you are just making new ones. I'll try to speak even more popular on my position. I don't want to touch the details, I just try to appeal to your logic.
Hitler was attacking and Stalin was defending, try to understand the difference. If I break your skull, just because I think you're inferior genetic scum, would you still question me am I good or bad? Germans were prepared much better (here goes the question who gave them all the money) and just in few years Russians had to catch up to industrial progress that Germany made in dozen years. Think about it, that's not the easiest task to solve. Yes, Stalin fought to rule, as all political leaders do, but obviously he wasn't killing millions of his own people just for fun, Nazis were killing them. After the war you say? Check the number of war casualties in WWII for USSR. Sure they was tough years in soviet history, when most of people began life from scratch. If you consider that, Russian people done wonders with industry, agriculture, science and at some point became a superpower. Do you think it was because of Stalin was killing them or supporting them?
Gulag is wrong book to learn history, yes. Numbers called in this book are absolute horseshit, as everything else.
About repeating the lies - well, sorry to disappoint you, but that's how it works. Don't know if you follow conflict in Ukraine, they are in civil war now, but not long ago all of them were soviet people, who fought Hitler among the other soviet nations. There was no such country as Ukraine, it was just a one of soviet regions, but after the collapse of Soviet Union it became sovereign territory, a country, and an US protectorate. Now after 25 years of dumbing down and reeducation they don't know basic things about their own history and claim one of Nazi bastards (Bandera his name, if I'm not mistaken) to be one their national heroes. It's even sound ridiculous, they fought against Nazis and now they praise them. History can be easily rewritten, because most of people gain knowledge from newspapers, TV (all world major media are US and UK) and hollywood movies. If you go all out on media for years, yes, people will forget anything.
Well, good food for thought. History, socialism, organics, GMOs, all complicated issues. I hope I don't get crazy before reaching a good understanding about them.
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War is peace.
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War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
(c) G.Orwell, 1984.
USA, 2015.
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Hey, I've also heard that Stalin bited the heads of newborn babies and drank their blood.
And a Hitler was actually nice guy to hang out with, educated and well-mannered, had a lot of great ideas.
True story.
I'm glad you agree. Thanks.