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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2015, 02:09:31 AM »
He may have been the lesser of two evils at that moment, but don't tell me that a guy that killed millions of his own people (some people say he killed even more that Hitler) deserve any prize. Go an read The Gulag Archipelago...

Phew. The Gulag Archipelago is a anti-soviet book written under patronage of english-speaking countries, released in English language in english-speaking countries even before it was released in USSR, quickly followed by a shit-ton of book awards. Reads like science fiction without science. It's by no means a history book, it's perfect example of Cold War propaganda. If you can't see it, you must be that perfect dumbed down target audience.

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2015, 02:13:56 AM »
Stalin was responsible for the deaths of more of his own people than Hitler.

Hey, I've also heard that Stalin bited the heads of newborn babies and drank their blood.
And a Hitler was actually nice guy to hang out with, educated and well-mannered, had a lot of great ideas.
True story.

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2015, 02:18:03 AM »
The Nobel Peace Prize is load of horseshit anyway. Didn't Obama win a few years back just for being black? :-\

PS. Nazism > Communism


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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2015, 02:27:54 AM »
The Nobel Peace Prize is load of horseshit anyway. Didn't Obama win a few years back just for being black? :-\

PS. Nazism > Communism



They are the same, just slightly different surfaces. In the end it all boils down to a concept based on eradicating anyone not conforming to their ideas.

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2015, 02:31:24 AM »
They are the same, just slightly different surfaces. In the end it all boils down to a concept based on eradicating anyone not conforming to their ideas.

True.

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2015, 03:19:14 AM »
Phew. The Gulag Archipelago is a anti-soviet book written under patronage of english-speaking countries, released in English language in english-speaking countries even before it was released in USSR, quickly followed by a shit-ton of book awards. Reads like science fiction without science. It's by no means a history book, it's perfect example of Cold War propaganda. If you can't see it, you must be that perfect dumbed down target audience.

Maybe the book is propaganda, but I hope you are not denying the reality of the Gulags and Stalin's vicious regime...

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2015, 06:10:50 AM »
Maybe the book is propaganda, but I hope you are not denying the reality of the Gulags and Stalin's vicious regime...

As Gebbels said - when a lie is told 1000 times it becomes truth.

The reality is that Gulag is a jail. All countries have jails. For example, there is much more jails and prisoners in USA than it ever were in USSR. That particular Gulag jail was diabolized by mass media to the point you can think about Guantanamo as a resort in comparison.
There was no "vicious" regime, it was "preparation for war" regime, which implies hardship for population (also do not forget it was after WWI which had devastating results for USSR). When all of Europe folded under nazis, he was the one who united all people and resources around him and battled all the way to Berlin. And that scared the shit out of western leaders and that's why you are hearing and reading about how Stalin ate newborn for breakfast and killed millions by his own hand. They prefer to talk about The Battle of Normandy instead, forgetting who paid the most for that victory. All of it is a part of informational war in a global war for world dominance.
Serious efforts were applied in a western world to make Stalin an image of executioner and tyrant, because he was a threat and because USSR had enormous natural resources. The same now goes with Putin, cause he is a first real leader after a bunch of weak-minded persons, who robbed their own country. But thanks to Stalin again, Russia still have enough nuclear weapon to blow all the planet, otherwise it would be torn apart by West (USA, UK) a long time ago.

So you've read the wrong books, better choose them carefully. Next time you'll be blaming it all on arabs, russians or chinese try to think if you have real knowledge to back it up. I've been in these countries, talked to people and it is sad to see how all the shit flows in wrong direction.

They are the same, just slightly different surfaces. In the end it all boils down to a concept based on eradicating anyone not conforming to their ideas.

How did you come to that conclusion? Or it just sounds good in your head?

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2015, 09:46:14 AM »
As Gebbels said - when a lie is told 1000 times it becomes truth.

The reality is that Gulag is a jail. All countries have jails. For example, there is much more jails and prisoners in USA than it ever were in USSR. That particular Gulag jail was diabolized by mass media to the point you can think about Guantanamo as a resort in comparison.
There was no "vicious" regime, it was "preparation for war" regime, which implies hardship for population (also do not forget it was after WWI which had devastating results for USSR). When all of Europe folded under nazis, he was the one who united all people and resources around him and battled all the way to Berlin. And that scared the shit out of western leaders and that's why you are hearing and reading about how Stalin ate newborn for breakfast and killed millions by his own hand. They prefer to talk about The Battle of Normandy instead, forgetting who paid the most for that victory. All of it is a part of informational war in a global war for world dominance.
Serious efforts were applied in a western world to make Stalin an image of executioner and tyrant, because he was a threat and because USSR had enormous natural resources. The same now goes with Putin, cause he is a first real leader after a bunch of weak-minded persons, who robbed their own country. But thanks to Stalin again, Russia still have enough nuclear weapon to blow all the planet, otherwise it would be torn apart by West (USA, UK) a long time ago.

So you've read the wrong books, better choose them carefully. Next time you'll be blaming it all on arabs, russians or chinese try to think if you have real knowledge to back it up. I've been in these countries, talked to people and it is sad to see how all the shit flows in wrong direction.


"...there is much more jails and prisoners in USA than it ever were in USSR"? That doesn't make prisons in the US worse than gulags.

"Preparation for war" regime? What about after the war? Hitler also implanted a "preparation for war" regime, because Germany was in shatters after the Treaty of Versailles. Does that make Hitler's regime more valid?

Are you also implying that I should keep studying until I finally realize that Stalin was a good man? Maybe Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong-il, Idi Amin Dada were all good men, after all reports of their viciousness were probably lies repeated 1000 times. Well, maybe that story that 6.000.000 Jews were killed was also a lie, because it was also repeated thousands of times.

So I've read the wrong books. That's exactly what leftist people say when somebody argues that socialism is wrong. "You think socialism is bad because you've read propaganda". Very nice argument indeed. "I am right because I can distinguish good information from propaganda and you obviously don't" You think I've read the wrong books and you think you've read the right books. I think the opposite. Who is right? You cannot just tell my books were wrong. That is not a valid argument.

Well, you may be right and most people may be wrong, but I think that is not very likely. Just don't repeat more than 999 times that Stalin was a good man. Let people realize that by themselves.

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2015, 11:37:08 AM »
"...there is much more jails and prisoners in USA than it ever were in USSR"? That doesn't make prisons in the US worse than gulags.

"Preparation for war" regime? What about after the war? Hitler also implanted a "preparation for war" regime, because Germany was in shatters after the Treaty of Versailles. Does that make Hitler's regime more valid?

Are you also implying that I should keep studying until I finally realize that Stalin was a good man? Maybe Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong-il, Idi Amin Dada were all good men, after all reports of their viciousness were probably lies repeated 1000 times. Well, maybe that story that 6.000.000 Jews were killed was also a lie, because it was also repeated thousands of times.

So I've read the wrong books. That's exactly what leftist people say when somebody argues that socialism is wrong. "You think socialism is bad because you've read propaganda". Very nice argument indeed. "I am right because I can distinguish good information from propaganda and you obviously don't" You think I've read the wrong books and you think you've read the right books. I think the opposite. Who is right? You cannot just tell my books were wrong. That is not a valid argument.

Well, you may be right and most people may be wrong, but I think that is not very likely. Just don't repeat more than 999 times that Stalin was a good man. Let people realize that by themselves.

Dude, rather than get through my statements you are just making new ones. I'll try to speak even more popular on my position. I don't want to touch the details, I just try to appeal to your logic.
Hitler was attacking and Stalin was defending, try to understand the difference. If I break your skull, just because I think you're inferior genetic scum, would you still question me am I good or bad? Germans were prepared much better (here goes the question who gave them all the money) and just in few years Russians had to catch up to industrial progress that Germany made in dozen years. Think about it, that's not the easiest task to solve. Yes, Stalin fought to rule, as all political leaders do, but obviously he wasn't killing millions of his own people just for fun, Nazis were killing them. After the war you say? Check the number of war casualties in WWII for USSR. Sure they was tough years in soviet history, when most of people began life from scratch. If you consider that, Russian people done wonders with industry, agriculture, science and at some point became a superpower. Do you think it was because of Stalin was killing them or supporting them?

Gulag is wrong book to learn history, yes. Numbers called in this book are absolute horseshit, as everything else.

About repeating the lies - well, sorry to disappoint you, but that's how it works. Don't know if you follow conflict in Ukraine, they are in civil war now, but not long ago all of them were soviet people, who fought Hitler among the other soviet nations. There was no such country as Ukraine, it was just a one of soviet regions, but after the collapse of Soviet Union it became sovereign territory, a country, and an US protectorate. Now after 25 years of dumbing down and reeducation they don't know basic things about their own history and claim one of Nazi bastards (Bandera his name, if I'm not mistaken) to be one their national heroes. It's even sound ridiculous, they fought against Nazis and now they praise them. History can be easily rewritten, because most of people gain knowledge from newspapers, TV (all world major media are US and UK) and hollywood movies. If you go all out on media for years, yes, people will forget anything.

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2015, 12:51:31 PM »
Dude, rather than get through my statements you are just making new ones. I'll try to speak even more popular on my position. I don't want to touch the details, I just try to appeal to your logic.
Hitler was attacking and Stalin was defending, try to understand the difference. If I break your skull, just because I think you're inferior genetic scum, would you still question me am I good or bad? Germans were prepared much better (here goes the question who gave them all the money) and just in few years Russians had to catch up to industrial progress that Germany made in dozen years. Think about it, that's not the easiest task to solve. Yes, Stalin fought to rule, as all political leaders do, but obviously he wasn't killing millions of his own people just for fun, Nazis were killing them. After the war you say? Check the number of war casualties in WWII for USSR. Sure they was tough years in soviet history, when most of people began life from scratch. If you consider that, Russian people done wonders with industry, agriculture, science and at some point became a superpower. Do you think it was because of Stalin was killing them or supporting them?

Gulag is wrong book to learn history, yes. Numbers called in this book are absolute horseshit, as everything else.

About repeating the lies - well, sorry to disappoint you, but that's how it works. Don't know if you follow conflict in Ukraine, they are in civil war now, but not long ago all of them were soviet people, who fought Hitler among the other soviet nations. There was no such country as Ukraine, it was just a one of soviet regions, but after the collapse of Soviet Union it became sovereign territory, a country, and an US protectorate. Now after 25 years of dumbing down and reeducation they don't know basic things about their own history and claim one of Nazi bastards (Bandera his name, if I'm not mistaken) to be one their national heroes. It's even sound ridiculous, they fought against Nazis and now they praise them. History can be easily rewritten, because most of people gain knowledge from newspapers, TV (all world major media are US and UK) and hollywood movies. If you go all out on media for years, yes, people will forget anything.

Well, good food for thought. History, socialism, organics, GMOs, all complicated issues. I hope I don't get crazy before reaching a good understanding about them.

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2015, 01:52:56 PM »
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

(c) G.Orwell, 1984.
USA, 2015.

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize nonsense
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2015, 02:07:38 PM »
Hey, I've also heard that Stalin bited the heads of newborn babies and drank their blood.
And a Hitler was actually nice guy to hang out with, educated and well-mannered, had a lot of great ideas.
True story.

I'm glad you agree. Thanks.