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Title: Time for recovery.
Post by: IZO on August 12, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
Using AAS around 1,5 years just went off 2-3 months, never did Any PCT.
Using Test E as base, other compounds as Deca, dbol, tren and Winstrol also used.
slightly testicle shrinkage.

Last injection Test E 250mg was 2 weeks ago, doing blood sample this week.

PCT Plan:

Week 1: 1000IU HCG 3x weekly
Week 2: 1000IU HCG 3x weekly
Week 3: 1000IU HCG 3x weekly

After HCG, 3 Weeks with 50mg Clomid daily.

Wonder what your thoughts are about this PCT protocol?

Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: local hero on August 12, 2015, 11:14:31 AM
How long you staying off for?... I've used a similar protocol and to be honest the most id do nowerdays is nolva for a few weeks, if anything at all.... Its all in the mind and the longer get you stay off you will normalise anyway
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: IZO on August 12, 2015, 12:56:10 PM
Hi

Planing to stay off at least 6 months.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: lilhawk1 on August 12, 2015, 07:09:01 PM
Do 500 iu of HCG eod for 21 days, 40 mg of nolvadex with it, 1 mg of Adex eod, all for 21 days.  Then clomid 100mg for 1 week, then 50 mg for 1 week.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: IZO on August 13, 2015, 02:42:06 AM
How long you staying off for?... I've used a similar protocol and to be honest the most id do nowerdays is nolva for a few weeks, if anything at all.... Its all in the mind and the longer get you stay off you will normalise anyway

6 months to a year.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: IZO on August 13, 2015, 02:44:29 AM
Do 500 iu of HCG eod for 21 days, 40 mg of nolvadex with it, 1 mg of Adex eod, all for 21 days.  Then clomid 100mg for 1 week, then 50 mg for 1 week.

Thanks, Will start with 500IU HCG eod, increase to 1000IU if nothing is happening down there:)
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: local hero on August 13, 2015, 08:05:49 AM
6 months to a year.

If you have the hcg and chlomid already just run it as you described... At the end of the day it doesn't matter, all the pct does is cushion your fall.. You have to lower your expectations on appearance and performance/enjoyment in the gym

Takes a long time to enjoy training clean...
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: IZO on August 13, 2015, 10:45:33 AM
If you have the hcg and chlomid already just run it as you described... At the end of the day it doesn't matter, all the pct does is cushion your fall.. You have to lower your expectations on appearance and performance/enjoyment in the gym

Takes a long time to enjoy training clean...

Thanks for the tips!
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: IZO on August 13, 2015, 01:48:57 PM
If you have the hcg and chlomid already just run it as you described... At the end of the day it doesn't matter, all the pct does is cushion your fall.. You have to lower your expectations on appearance and performance/enjoyment in the gym

Takes a long time to enjoy training clean...

Are you using any supplements like Test boosters, DAA, Tribulus?
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: local hero on August 13, 2015, 02:16:03 PM
Nah, off is off for me... I still eat properly and put the same time in at the gym, I'm toying with having a long break right now, I havnt been able to get my head back into it since I peaked for my holls a few weeks back, I've missed nearly 3 weeks of shots etc etc

So its either blast or clean out...
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: mazfit on August 13, 2015, 03:46:39 PM
Admire you for going off.

What's braught this along by the way?

Is it just you want to give your body a break.

I'm not sure I could do this without gear.

Only thing that's always in the back if my mind is having kids.

I've become a lot more liberal with my use and expectations.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: IZO on August 13, 2015, 10:37:02 PM
Admire you for going off.

What's braught this along by the way?

Is it just you want to give your body a break.

I'm not sure I could do this without gear.

Only thing that's always in the back if my mind is having kids.

I've become a lot more liberal with my use and expectations.


Thanks!!

Was on AAS almost 2 years, felt that my body needs a break from everything, dident respond as good as before.  My weight was 68kg before now i am around 93kg 8% bf so its good for me.
I am doing my workouts everyday, just not that intense, feels OK.
Also planing to have kids :)

After my break i will start with HGH and keep on going:)
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on August 14, 2015, 01:35:30 PM
I've been off for 6 month. Zero, gonna do my bloodwork this week. I was on for 5 yrs straight.

PS, FEEL LIKE ABSOLUTE FUCKING SHIT!!
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: local hero on August 15, 2015, 01:51:41 AM
I've been off for 6 month. Zero, gonna do my bloodwork this week. I was on for 5 yrs straight.

PS, FEEL LIKE ABSOLUTE FUCKING SHIT!!


It gets better..  Long as you don't let your self get fat, I started to enjoy the gym around the 6 month odd mark, it's nice to know you aren't dependant on gear for all your strength and size, and pumped you still look good
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: mazfit on August 15, 2015, 07:30:44 AM
Can imagine it feeling shit

Comming of long term gear and staying dedicated is an achievement in it's self
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: IZO on August 15, 2015, 07:58:28 AM
Its important to traing, eat and sleep as before even if its much harder.
I am doing more cardio now and i feel much better, gym workout 3 Times' weekly not that intense as before but it feels ok.
I have also started to use Arginine and Beta alanine+ bcaa and It helps me a lot, nerver used Arginine and beta alanine before.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on August 16, 2015, 05:48:03 AM
Its important to traing, eat and sleep as before even if its much harder.
I am doing more cardio now and i feel much better, gym workout 3 Times' weekly not that intense as before but it feels ok.
I have also started to use Arginine and Beta alanine+ bcaa and It helps me a lot, nerver used Arginine and beta alanine before.

Nice, I eat very well and take a stack of vitamins.   Doing long hikes as I don't like to do cardio in the gym.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: theworm on August 16, 2015, 03:53:15 PM
What's the lowest dose anavar can someone run without suppressing T?

I've always wanted to do hgh plus anavar so I wouldn't suppress my test levels as I plan on being off for at least 6 months...
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: mazfit on August 17, 2015, 03:06:04 AM
Nothing

Because 10mg will be a Waste of money

If your comming off stay off

Can use, pep, hgh, insulin

N that's it if your trying to recover
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Jizmo on August 17, 2015, 04:36:47 AM
anavar and dbol are roids too
 they shut you down just like tren...

whats so hard to understand lol

10mg a day is more than you produce naturally = shut down.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: epcfitness on August 18, 2015, 11:02:27 PM
I've been off for 6 month. Zero, gonna do my bloodwork this week. I was on for 5 yrs straight.

PS, FEEL LIKE ABSOLUTE FUCKING SHIT!!


What made you come to this decision? I've been thinking about going clean for a while now but honestly I just don't look and feel the same. Blood levels were at 300ish before running anything anyways. Just feel like my hormones are out of whack when it comes to certain things. Wood is not the same as it used to be even with cialis sometimes. Not sure where along the line I messed up but even masteron won't give me the same effect as it did before horny 24/7 crazy good wood. Maybe it was a blast I ran for 8 weeks and finished about 3 months ago, 1.4g tren ace 700mg mast prop 700mg test prop 1g eq 100mg dbol.

Dropped down to just test 750mgs and deca 600mgs still doesn't feel "right". Added in caber .5mg e3d and arimidex .5mg eod hopefully it helps... Gotta run bloods soon and figure this shit out. When I ran my first cycle onwards it was the best now 2-3 years down the line I'll barely get a chub more than twice a day if that. First run with test and tren no issues at all... Ran deca for the first time a while ago with test and nandrolone has just always fkd me up one way or the other.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: mazfit on August 19, 2015, 02:42:37 AM
I notice what u notice bro

Nothing works like it used to

Horn isn't there hardly atall

Think I probably wank once a week max now

My dick isn't as hard but it is first thing in the morning still

But if people said to me, you will look like ur gna look but ur gna need Viagra for sex

If take it tmoz

I'm well and truley addicted to steroids

That's why I respect this guy so much, comming off is hard

Hell most people think I'm mad getting the sever abcess I got

And jumping back on 2 months later

I think I'm mad too, but steroids make me happy hahaha

And isn't life about happiness if it's not hurting anyone else
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on August 31, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
What made you come to this decision? I've been thinking about going clean for a while now but honestly I just don't look and feel the same. Blood levels were at 300ish before running anything anyways. Just feel like my hormones are out of whack when it comes to certain things. Wood is not the same as it used to be even with cialis sometimes. Not sure where along the line I messed up but even masteron won't give me the same effect as it did before horny 24/7 crazy good wood. Maybe it was a blast I ran for 8 weeks and finished about 3 months ago, 1.4g tren ace 700mg mast prop 700mg test prop 1g eq 100mg dbol.

Dropped down to just test 750mgs and deca 600mgs still doesn't feel "right". Added in caber .5mg e3d and arimidex .5mg eod hopefully it helps... Gotta run bloods soon and figure this shit out. When I ran my first cycle onwards it was the best now 2-3 years down the line I'll barely get a chub more than twice a day if that. First run with test and tren no issues at all... Ran deca for the first time a while ago with test and nandrolone has just always fkd me up one way or the other.

Health,  plus my girl and I are gonna work on kids....this is not easy, but im still at clean.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Mega Man on August 31, 2015, 10:19:28 PM
I've been off for 6 month. Zero, gonna do my bloodwork this week. I was on for 5 yrs straight.

PS, FEEL LIKE ABSOLUTE FUCKING SHIT!!


What kind of PCT did you do?
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on September 02, 2015, 01:36:02 AM
What kind of PCT did you do?

Cold turkey,  did not do pct.... :(
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on September 02, 2015, 01:37:21 AM
Ima have my blood work done tomorrow.  After I look at the horrible results,  I will jump on arimadex and clomid.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on September 02, 2015, 01:39:25 AM
And 2 ius of hgh, them test again in a month.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: theworm on September 02, 2015, 05:26:19 AM
I always heard not to use an ai with clomid...

Google dr scally pct protocol, it actually has science behind it

Do you know your sperm count?  Mine was almost zero on cycle, but if yours is high, prop be high on HRt doses
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: BigRo on September 02, 2015, 05:45:57 AM
testing right after a month on clomid may give a false value instead of an accurate indication of your test levels.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on September 03, 2015, 02:23:04 AM
I always heard not to use an ai with clomid...

Google dr scally pct protocol, it actually has science behind it

Do you know your sperm count?  Mine was almost zero on cycle, but if yours is high, prop be high on HRt doses

I'm not gonna do a sperm count yet.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on September 03, 2015, 02:24:44 AM
I just wanna see what 25mg of clomid,  1mg of arimadex and 2ius of hgh will make me feel like after 6 weeks and what my blood work will look like.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Dr.J on September 03, 2015, 02:25:59 AM
I always heard not to use an ai with clomid...

Google dr scally pct protocol, it actually has science behind it

Do you know your sperm count?  Mine was almost zero on cycle, but if yours is high, prop be high on HRt doses

I've read run estrogen blockers with clomid.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: theworm on September 03, 2015, 06:59:36 AM
I've read run estrogen blockers with clomid.

Yes estrogen blockers not aromatase inhibitors

Why not jump on scaly pct protocol?   I've done it, 7 weeks off now, and actually feel pretty decent
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Jizmo on September 03, 2015, 07:16:25 AM
wat?
clomid IS an "estrogen blocker" (lol at that wording though).
SERMS = block estrogen receptors = nolva, clomid, ralox etc
AIs= actually reduce estrogen = adex, letro, aromasin
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: triggerhappy on September 03, 2015, 04:00:57 PM
OK first post here

I was on for 2.5 years perma blast. Gram of tren and 1250 test 95% of the time plus a lot of anadrol and dbol. I cruised on 750 test.

I came off at the start of the year using the following protocol

4 weeks of hcg at 1500iu eod
then after that did 60iu of hmg eod for 20 days
4 days of nothing then
clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

Before PCT sperm count was 0 i mean nothing

6 weeks after pct sperm count was 108mill per ml

libido is only just coming back now 6 months later but is still not what it used to be.

Test levels are back in range but still feel pretty flat.

I only came off due to trying to have a baby with the wife which we are still trying for.

Aggressive PCT but it did work according to blood tests and semen tests.

I have lost a lot of size and strength but you are going to get that. I was more worried about getting fat rather than loosing muscle.

There is hope guys

Still hanging to get back on
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: ritch on September 03, 2015, 04:50:21 PM
OK first post here

I was on for 2.5 years perma blast. Gram of tren and 1250 test 95% of the time plus a lot of anadrol and dbol. I cruised on 750 test.

I came off at the start of the year using the following protocol

4 weeks of hcg at 1500iu eod
then after that did 60iu of hmg eod for 20 days
4 days of nothing then
clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

Before PCT sperm count was 0 i mean nothing

6 weeks after pct sperm count was 108mill per ml

libido is only just coming back now 6 months later but is still not what it used to be.

Test levels are back in range but still feel pretty flat.

I only came off due to trying to have a baby with the wife which we are still trying for.

Aggressive PCT but it did work according to blood tests and semen tests.

I have lost a lot of size and strength but you are going to get that. I was more worried about getting fat rather than loosing muscle.

There is hope guys

Still hanging to get back on


Solid first post, welcome!!!
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: pestosterone on September 04, 2015, 04:38:38 PM
OK first post here

I was on for 2.5 years perma blast. Gram of tren and 1250 test 95% of the time plus a lot of anadrol and dbol. I cruised on 750 test.

I came off at the start of the year using the following protocol

4 weeks of hcg at 1500iu eod
then after that did 60iu of hmg eod for 20 days
4 days of nothing then
clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

Before PCT sperm count was 0 i mean nothing

6 weeks after pct sperm count was 108mill per ml

libido is only just coming back now 6 months later but is still not what it used to be.

Test levels are back in range but still feel pretty flat.

I only came off due to trying to have a baby with the wife which we are still trying for.

Aggressive PCT but it did work according to blood tests and semen tests.

I have lost a lot of size and strength but you are going to get that. I was more worried about getting fat rather than loosing muscle.

There is hope guys

Still hanging to get back on

Damn man! Good luck with the baby! Both my kids were conceived while I was on a cycle but not those dosages lol
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: deadz on September 05, 2015, 07:33:27 AM
OK first post here

I was on for 2.5 years perma blast. Gram of tren and 1250 test 95% of the time plus a lot of anadrol and dbol. I cruised on 750 test.

I came off at the start of the year using the following protocol

4 weeks of hcg at 1500iu eod
then after that did 60iu of hmg eod for 20 days
4 days of nothing then
clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

Before PCT sperm count was 0 i mean nothing

6 weeks after pct sperm count was 108mill per ml

libido is only just coming back now 6 months later but is still not what it used to be.

Test levels are back in range but still feel pretty flat.

I only came off due to trying to have a baby with the wife which we are still trying for.

Aggressive PCT but it did work according to blood tests and semen tests.

I have lost a lot of size and strength but you are going to get that. I was more worried about getting fat rather than loosing muscle.

There is hope guys

Still hanging to get back on

Keep this updated if you can.
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: triggerhappy on September 05, 2015, 04:27:07 PM
Will keep it updated but apart from libido I'm fully recovered which has been confirmed via bloods and semen analysis. I truely believe hmg is what did it
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: theworm on September 05, 2015, 05:10:10 PM
Will keep it updated but apart from libido I'm fully recovered which has been confirmed via bloods and semen analysis. I truely believe hmg is what did it

What hmg did u use? How come I never heard of this for PCT???  Was  it an injectible?
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: triggerhappy on September 05, 2015, 06:27:46 PM
I got it from my dr. Fertilty clinics will have it. It's hcg sister drug human menopausal gonadotropin
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: Davidtheman100 on September 14, 2015, 05:11:31 PM
clomid 150,150,100,100,70,35

Nolva 60, 60, 40, 40, 20, 10
 
(these are by weeks)

Do not use HCG as it further suppresses HTPA and should have been used ON CYCLE while you were cycling...None of Rich Piana's balonie works and rich piana is never off....Would not run an AI during this time either especially something like letro or arimidex with a rebound gyno effect...

After you've done this 6 week period, you should continue to eat and workout for another 2 months and THEN get bloodwork to see where your levels are at...If you get bloodwork too soon your levels may still be elevated from the serms
Title: Re: Time for recovery.
Post by: triggerhappy on September 14, 2015, 09:06:20 PM
I beg to differ. from the above. I have successfully recovered using my above protocol and have successfully got my wife pregnant. That was after some pretty bad test/tren/oral abuse and never used HCG once while i was on. Once i stopped gear i started HCG with the above.