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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #975 on: January 21, 2014, 11:10:59 PM »
The following will most likely be too much information for most GetBiggers who have no interest regarding the somewhat rapid growth of the modern day gym/spa business ....

SO YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS PART ....

The following came up because I was once a fully paid member of AMERICAN HEALTH STUDIOS which I still believe was owned or operated by  a few of the better known (at that time) Northern California bodybuilders.

One day without notice of any kind, the west Portal location in san Francisco and the Golden Gate Avenue locations were closed down.

Steve Reeves was employed by AHS and was not an owner nor a partner as he mentions in a 1994 interview  for The Perfect Vision Magazine.... part of which is included as follows ...

"At the time (after appearing in 1954's MGM production of ATHENA) I (Steve Reeves) was working for American Health Studios in public relations.

I'd go to Riverside and open up a fitness studio with the mayor and Miss Riverside, then wait another two weeks or so and open another one someplace else.

I had a good job with them, it didn't use too much of my time, and the owner made me promise I'd forget about show business if I worked with him.

So when the Hercules offer came, I just ignored it.

Then Francisci wrote me another letter and said 'Look, this is serious. Here's an airplane ticket.' There was also an advance of $5000, which in those days was quite an advance.

I realized the guy was serious. I started growing a moustache and goatee on my job. This way I didn't have to have something glued on, which is terrible.

My boss asked me what I was doing it for, and I said I wanted to look more distinguished.

I was only paid $10,000 for Hercules and I had no percentage. The film cost a half million to make, and it earned $40 million in the United States alone. It was the box office champion of 1959.

I outgrossed John Wayne, Rock Hudson, and Doris Day, who were the big money makers at the time. And I was the biggest box office star, not only in the United States, but around the world.
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END OF REEVES INTERVIEW .... The above is a small part of Reeve's interview that day. If you want to read the entirety of this very interesting talk with Steve ....

Go here >>>>>>     http://www.drkrm.com/reeves.html

According to the internet (cut and paste) .... The chain of American Health Studios was founded by Ray Wilson. Years later Ray Wilson would buy out Chuck Norris's studios.

Ray Wilson was one of the original driving forces behind the entire Health Spa industry.

Few individuals have had as much influence on the modern era of the health and fitness facility industry as Ray Wilson. From owning and operating ten distinct chains of clubs, to bringing our industry its first high-tech piece of equipment, the Lifecycle™ exercise bike, Ray Wilson has had a significant hand in shaping the fitness club industry we know today.

During the 1950s, Ray brought to market four club chains, the most prominent being AMERICAN HEALTH STUDIOS and Silhouette Figure Salons. He also opened European Health Spas, which became one of the leading chains in the U.S., many of which later were purchased by Health and Tennis Corporation, or as we know them today, Bally Total Fitness.

In the 1970s Ray opened what might just have been his most successful group of clubs: Family Fitness Centers. He later sold the chain to Mark Mastrov and his group, forming the launching pad for 24 Hour Fitness.

Over the course of 60 years owning and operating clubs, Ray was the first to introduce concepts like monthly dues and alternating usage days for men and women in gyms. He even brought the first recreational pools and whirlpools into the club industry. A true legend in fitness, Ray was honored in 2004 with the International Health Racquet and Sportsclub Association's (IHRSA) Dale Dibble Lifetime Achievement Award.

While owning and operating clubs was his bread and butter, Ray’s most significant contribution to the industry may have been his creation of Lifecycle Inc. with co-founder Augie Nieto, which later evolved into Life Fitness. In the early 1970s Ray purchased the rights to an electronic bike invented by Dr. Keene Dimmick, seeing in it the future for cardiovascular exercise in the club environment. Under Ray’s vision and that of his partner, they took Dimmick’s creation and made it into the most recognized and most used piece of cardiovascular exercise equipment in the history of the fitness club industry.

The Lifecycle is celebrating its 40th year in 2014, with over 1 million sold, making it the number one selling piece of cardio equipment in the world. It has served as the template for every bike that has been introduced to the market since. Lifecycle, like Ford did for U.S. automobile industry, has created an entire industry devoted to technology driven cardiovascular equipment.

Spreading his influence around the world, Ray continues to stay at the forefront of the club industry with the opening of California Fitness in Southeast Asia – the first club opening in Hong Kong at the turn of the century. Ray is truly an industry legend and pioneer, not only to the Life Fitness family, but to the entire fitness community.
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SURE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD CLOSE A CLUB WITHOUT NOTICE, SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE TWO SAN FRANCISCO CLUBS COULD HAVE BEEN UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF INDIVIDUALS OTHER THAT MR. WILSON WHO MAY STILL BE UNKNOWN.

Any other GetBiggers get locked out under similar circumstances?

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #976 on: January 22, 2014, 01:15:23 PM »
OK, WES!! I'll do some inverti-ma-ga-tions and see what I can come up with, but most of the characters and the  UN-usual suspects have long departed into happier hunting grounds or 'haunting-grounds' in some cases.

I think I told my Jack Dellinger story a while back but for you guys not born at that time ... here it goes again ..

I was once asked to help set up a large gym chain and since I know just about everyone on this here planet, I set out to accomplish this mission in the cheapest way posssible.

My first stop was a foundry in the WATTS area (Bell Foundry which may still be there) .

Bell Foundry made olympic plates and olympic bars which no Olympic Lifter ever lifted because the 45's would actually weigh anywhere from 38 to 48 pounds. ANd those plates were the most 'accurate' of them all.

ANn the bars appeared to bend in the middle.

So anyone attempting to  press a 135 pound bent bar overhead usually ended up leaning or falling to one side or another, thereby simply refusing to take a second attempt at a higher weight.

But this new gym didn't give a damn because the price per pound was unbeatable by the likes of York and all those others I've long forgotten.

So I'd purchase a a ton or so of those plates which most likely only weighed 1,700 pounds and get them shipped off toe  this half assed gym that is no longer in existence, but those weights are still in various gyms throughout the world.

ANd then I'd head in a northerly direction towards Oakland, California to buy a couple of those Universal type sets that would offer about 6 to 8 'stations' ,.... except they were not of the same quality as the real Universal gear and therefore were a hell of a lot cheaper.

And the 'boss' was none other than Jack Dillinger with a full leg cast on his leg (where else would it be?) sitting on a bar-stool taking my order while telling me how his leg got broke.

It took him a while to explain but the short version is that  he fell off a bar stool in a bar that sold alcohol ... the story of which he himself thought was pretty funny.

And as far as I can recall, that was the extent of that meeting except for the usual banter of who's alive and still lifting heavy things.

And then I drove down to the M-L-O 'factory'.

How any of youse guys or gals ever used Muscle-On?    (WES / MB , Name the originator or founder of that company!)   I'd not be surprised if FUNK came up with it.

Sorry about this uninteresting bit of history but once a name is mentioned on this board that I had the 'honor'  of associating with (even if it was only for a minute or two or simply an attempt to cause some harm (very rare) for some very stupid reason), I sorta gotta mention it with the hope that someone will learn something that could be important one day .... such as checking both ends of the olympic set before attempting a world record clean and jerk.

Those plates are still out there somewhere!

WES! FUNK is doing a damn good job coming up with some decent answers.

He are smart!


MLO and muscle-on sound familar i think i used to see their ads in either muscle digest or ironman???
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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #977 on: January 22, 2014, 06:02:03 PM »
FUNK, MLO and Muscle On are one and the same unless I am mistaken which I think I'm not.

More on the origination of MLO to follow.

Here are two photos of Reeve'sv I've never seen before and posted by a fellow GetBiggers whose name I can no longer find.

Sorry about that!

Must have been shot in Europe and never released in the US of A.

Thanks, unknown benefactor!

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #978 on: January 22, 2014, 07:22:32 PM »
JPM, You mentioned CORONADO.

Is that Mexican restaurant right over the bridge still a USMC hangout?

Back in my day we'd stop in there on our way back to Pendleton after a day in Tiajuana and have a few too many top shelf Margaritas which they were very famous for.

Back then 'DON'T DRINK WHILE DRIVING' was not too famous and I often wonder how we managed to get through the front gate without knocking the guard shack over.

I can recall watching the world's most sickening car wreck movies which we had to sit through for a couple of hours before the liberty bell sounded allowing us off base to do our best to stay out of trouble

That was the extent of the 'Don't drink while driving' campaign back then.

So most good Marines would get hit while crossing heavy traffic while the light was red instead of while sitting behind a steering wheel.

I've seen that happen more than once.

We had a lot of good times on Coronado. .... Drinking as well as driving and other sociable activities.


If you're speaking of the one we call the "green fly" in Chicano Park, I don't think its much of a hangout for anyone these days.  The last time I tried to go there for lunch it was closed but I have no idea if it was permanently or not.

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #979 on: January 23, 2014, 07:47:36 AM »
SCOTT, That doesn't sound like the place I used to know which was right over the bridge to COronado and about a half block straight on down. It was a huge Mexican restaurant and cantina and was known all over So Cal for its excellent Margaritas. ANd it could have even been the home of the original "Margarita'. I'd be surprised if it ahs closed down.


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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #980 on: January 23, 2014, 07:52:46 AM »
OK ...  Here's my attempt to get back to MUSCLE BEACH ... which today most likely includes the Venice Beach area as well as the original Santa Monica.

But first a lead-in photo ...

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #981 on: January 23, 2014, 08:28:13 AM »
WES and /or Mr MB and even possibly even FUNK will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but here's the way I remember it .......

Actually 'MUSCLE BEACH" was mis-named.

That mistake occured for a number of reasons ...  but the first real characters on that section of Santa Monica Beach just a few yards south of the Santa Monica Pier were  actually CIRCUS PERFORMERS (not the lions and tigers and bears type though!).

But NOT solely CIRCUS PERFORMERS because sometimes the circus left the town while other 'characters' remained behind ... and I don't mean just the clowns.

The original characters on that stretch of sand were actually gymnasts of every type and description ,,,,  fat, skinny, short, tall ... and sometimes very creepy.

The 'creepy' ones were usually the under-nurished contortionists from some mid-eastern region far beyond the Mississippi who could squeeze inside a suitcase ... and shut the lid.

The others were gymnasts who stood on each others shoulders sometime four shoulders high while the others did some  very basic gymnast stuff.

So a more appropriate name could have been GYMNAST'S BEACH, but apparently one sunny  morning  some wise ass  kid in East LA yelled, "Hey! Let's go to MUSCLE BEACH!" .... and that name stuck forever after, (Or almost.)

This could have been true because the city of Santa Monica City Council merely  ADOPTEDd that  name. They never did ORIGINATE it.

This is only an estimate but .... back when this all started the 'circus folk' outnumbered the muscle guys 20  to 1  ... or even by much more.

So .. a bit of tribute to gymnasts everywhere!

RAH! .....

Their performances have sure improved over the years!




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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #982 on: January 23, 2014, 09:13:55 AM »
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Don't recall any Mexican place much beyond the bridge, that's mostly parks and residential areas now. If there is a Mexican joint around there, might be pretty small. Off the bridge your on 4th st and can get to Pomona (ave/st/blvd...never remember) so that place you mentioned might be up there. PB (Pacific Beach) & Point Loma and more towards downtown is where some Marines hang. The Midway(strip club) and a couple other strip joints are pretty popular around PB and the airport area. Thougth Marines are everywhere, including the casinos (lots of them in SD county).

Did they have the Coronado bridge built back in your core days or just the ferry working? Bridge wasn't built until '69 or 70. You could drive the strand, from Imperial Beach to Coronado, that would be easy if coming back from TJ. Getting into Coronado that way, there are eating places and bars, take your pick.  SEAL's hang near Imperial Beach also. I bounced down there for a bit.

I think TJ is still Off Limits to Marines. Though that might have been lifted again, not sure. Once you get off Revolution Ave (TJ's main drag) it's every man for himself...not a cool place to be, night or day.
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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #983 on: January 23, 2014, 11:42:29 AM »


Aside from the fact that the skinny guy in the picture appears to be looking at the big guys crotch, that skinny guy could be me when I was a kid going to State Beach with my mom and I'd hike down to muscle beach back in the 50's. From early on, I wanted to  look like those muscle dudes (who didn't look like most bodybuilders do today). Although that skinny kid complex ended when I finally hit 225 lbs. at 30 years of age, I still look in the mirror and sometimes see that skinny kid staring back at me. I am trying my best to overcome this (disorder) since I decided to lose weight. We will see how low I can go before I break and start pilling in the food and protein shakes again.

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #984 on: January 23, 2014, 02:53:29 PM »
**off topic sorry** ........but I think it was "The Ugly" that mentioned the movie Mildred Pierce,well it`s on tonight at 8:00 PM EST on TCM

**OK,back to your regularly scheduled programming**  :)

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #985 on: January 23, 2014, 04:04:41 PM »
JPM, DAMN !!  I would have placed a thousand dollar bet against you but I did some checking on the opening date of that Coronado Bridge and you are precisely correct.

And I also found a map that showed photographs of the area on the Coronado side of that bridge and gotta admit that I did not recognize it at all.

I've either entered the TWILIGHT ZONE or else  the neighborhood on that side of the bridge has been completely redeveloped and that Mexican restaurant has been completely demolished.

Let me ask you this to see if I am remembering that area as it used to be.

Once over the bridge, you could take a right turn and head out towards the beach  and you'd be in the USN Officer's Club which was not too fancy but a hell of a great pace to have a great time.

I honestly can't recall being there after 1969 but I honestly do recall going across that beautiful bridge, having a few too many great Margaritas at that Mexican restaurant on the other side , and then maybe a couple more of more at that  O Club on or close to the beach.

If I knew how to write music, I'd include the TwiLIGHT ZONE medley here.

But the lyrics went something like this .... "Da Da Da Da, Doo Doo Doo Doo.....

I'm gonna ask some Camp Pendleton friends if they recall this place.


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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #986 on: January 23, 2014, 04:07:46 PM »
SCOTT, That doesn't sound like the place I used to know which was right over the bridge to COronado and about a half block straight on down. It was a huge Mexican restaurant and cantina and was known all over So Cal for its excellent Margaritas. ANd it could have even been the home of the original "Margarita'. I'd be surprised if it ahs closed down.



I think I know where you talking about now.  I was speaking about on the city side of the bay, vs the island side.

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #987 on: January 23, 2014, 04:24:34 PM »
sCOTT, Here are 4 Mexican places on Coronado. The one I am trying ot remember was very close tot he COronado end of the bridge.

Can you tell which one is close to the bridge by looking at the address?

La Salsa, 1360 Orange Ave
Candelas On The Bay,1201 1st St
Miguelito's, 1142 Adella Avenue
Miguel's Cocina, 1351 Orange Ave

I'm gonna take a wild guess that it was MIGUELITO's.

Sorry  for this confusion but we used to have a hell of a great time there.

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #988 on: January 23, 2014, 04:30:22 PM »
sCOTT, Here are 4 Mexican places on Coronado. The one I am trying ot remember was very close tot he COronado end of the bridge.

Can you tell which one is close to the bridge by looking at the address?

La Salsa, 1360 Orange Ave
Candelas On The Bay,1201 1st St
Miguelito's, 1142 Adella Avenue
Miguel's Cocina, 1351 Orange Ave

I'm gonna take a wild guess that it was MIGUELITO's.

Sorry  for this confusion but we used to have a hell of a great time there.


The one on First St. is (I think!) very near to where the ferry dropped off and is to the right of where the bridge hits the island, so perhaps that's it.

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #989 on: January 23, 2014, 05:52:12 PM »
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Your just going to have to take a drive, over the bridge, and check out Coronado.  If you hit that Mexican place on Orange, keep going and you'll wind up at McP's Irish Pub. Great Hamburgers. Some SEAL's are usually there (active & retired), plus some  female military groupies of all ages and sizes

Going further down on Orange you'll run into The Hotel Del Coronado , with one of the coolest bar's anywhere.  Had a few Glenfiddich's there. Been to a  couple of weddings and stayed a few nights also. Cost me an arm and leg but well worth it.  Don't know why but that bar reminds me of one in Tonga...that's my twilight  zone experience I guess.

I only moved to SD county when I was 12  (1984) so you got much more history on me. And been told SD has changed quite a bit over the years.  I know Oceanside and Carlsbad has greatly.
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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #990 on: January 24, 2014, 09:31:18 AM »
JPM, Thanks again for that info. I'm gonna try to get down to Coronado during one of our next USMC get-togethers

A good friend recently retired as a DI and I'm trying to get him to tell some of the true stories regarding his tour as a Drill Instructor. I think it's about time for Hollywood to produce another major film around that subject along the lines of Full Metal Jacket.

I also think it's about time for Hoilywood to film a hard core movie about the USN SEALS training as a prelude to SOLE SURVIVOR which I thought was an awesome movie.

Some family members even agree with some GetBiggers about the lack of serious injury to the team when they fell 'down' that cliff, but I think it could be possilbe (as someone on this Board so intelligently stated) due tot he fact that their packs absorbed some of the impact.

But Hollywood has been know to exaggerate the facts a bit in an effort to make a scene more exciting ... so  that's what I think happened.

Regarding Hotel Del Coronado ... I was there a long while back when friends were involved working on a movie called THE STUNT MAN which was not one of the greatest movies I've seen.

Hollywood also filmed some of the SOME LIKE IT HOT scenes there.

A very beautiful and historic place.

OK, thanks for the 'update ' once again.

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #991 on: January 25, 2014, 07:21:52 AM »
JPM, Thanks again for that info. I'm gonna try to get down to Coronado during one of our next USMC get-togethers

A good friend recently retired as a DI and I'm trying to get him to tell some of the true stories regarding his tour as a Drill Instructor. I think it's about time for Hollywood to produce another major film around that subject along the lines of Full Metal Jacket.

I also think it's about time for Hoilywood to film a hard core movie about the USN SEALS training as a prelude to SOLE SURVIVOR which I thought was an awesome movie.

Some family members even agree with some GetBiggers about the lack of serious injury to the team when they fell 'down' that cliff, but I think it could be possilbe (as someone on this Board so intelligently stated) due tot he fact that their packs absorbed some of the impact.

But Hollywood has been know to exaggerate the facts a bit in an effort to make a scene more exciting ... so  that's what I think happened.

Regarding Hotel Del Coronado ... I was there a long while back when friends were involved working on a movie called THE STUNT MAN which was not one of the greatest movies I've seen.

Hollywood also filmed some of the SOME LIKE IT HOT scenes there.

A very beautiful and historic place.

OK, thanks for the 'update ' once again.

Spent many a summer day on the Silver Strand.  I don't go there  much any more. No real reason to as I've got my memories and any new ones I care to make I look for new shores on which to do so.  However this thread has given me pause to consider a nice ride there in the near future.

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #992 on: January 25, 2014, 10:05:47 AM »
SCOTT, I never got that far south down the Strand because of too darn many stops and good times at the Mexican Margarita bar and then the 'O' CLub on the beach.

Strange to say this but  I've never lived further than a 3 minute walk from the world's greatest beaches for most 0f my life-time. (That does not include any of the beaches in the European region.)

For you GetBiggers who may still be reading this off-topic stuff, I'll include some photos of the Coronado Island area..... just one of California's many beautiful beaches.

Most California visitors never get the chance to see California beaches outside of Santa Monica and Venice beaches, both of which are among the most unattractive beaches in the state.

This Silver Strand Beach that SCOTT mentioned above is a state park located on the west side (Pacific Ocean side) of Coronado Island which really ain't an island at all but a 7 mile strand or peninsula that separates the  San Diego Bay (the Naval Station) from the Pacific. (See the map)

Back in my day the SeALS would hit this beach nite and day and all the hours in between while we were busy blowing up shit a few miles north within another very beautiful but restricted beach area.

On a very few occasions we'd join forces and get 'destructive' durfing training maneuvers.

My brother in law owns a deep sea fishing boat and loves the ocean (abalone diver) and we hope to take that boat and scout out all the beaches that lay between San Francisco and a bit south of San Diego. Most of these beaches cannot be seen any other way

Some friends who have made that trip say that there are some beautiful beach front homes on that coastline without neighbors in either direction for a good long stretch. And that BIG SUR is an unbelievable  sight while sailing past.

Here are the Coronado photos  ...

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #993 on: January 26, 2014, 05:08:20 PM »

Joe Wieder, Aline (Steve's 2nd wife) and Steve Reeves. 

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #994 on: January 26, 2014, 06:48:37 PM »
SCOTT, I never got that far south down the Strand because of too darn many stops and good times at the Mexican Margarita bar and then the 'O' CLub on the beach.

Strange to say this but  I've never lived further than a 3 minute walk from the world's greatest beaches for most 0f my life-time. (That does not include any of the beaches in the European region.)

For you GetBiggers who may still be reading this off-topic stuff, I'll include some photos of the Coronado Island area..... just one of California's many beautiful beaches.

Most California visitors never get the chance to see California beaches outside of Santa Monica and Venice beaches, both of which are among the most unattractive beaches in the state.

This Silver Strand Beach that SCOTT mentioned above is a state park located on the west side (Pacific Ocean side) of Coronado Island which really ain't an island at all but a 7 mile strand or peninsula that separates the  San Diego Bay (the Naval Station) from the Pacific. (See the map)

Back in my day the SeALS would hit this beach nite and day and all the hours in between while we were busy blowing up shit a few miles north within another very beautiful but restricted beach area.

On a very few occasions we'd join forces and get 'destructive' durfing training maneuvers.

My brother in law owns a deep sea fishing boat and loves the ocean (abalone diver) and we hope to take that boat and scout out all the beaches that lay between San Francisco and a bit south of San Diego. Most of these beaches cannot be seen any other way

Some friends who have made that trip say that there are some beautiful beach front homes on that coastline without neighbors in either direction for a good long stretch. And that BIG SUR is an unbelievable  sight while sailing past.

Here are the Coronado photos  ...

my last name is similar to coronado'spanish'translation just swap d for 't' italian translation..

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #995 on: January 27, 2014, 10:05:02 PM »
NJ, If your last name was the Spanish version (with the 'd"), you'd most likely have been an heir to a Spanish land grant.

I once was acquainted with a member of the Smith family whom I understand once owned thousands of acres along the Laguna Beach coastline all the way east into what is now the city of Irvine where the El Toro Marine Corps Air Station used to be located .... the result of a Mexican Land Grant, I've been told.

Mexican Land Grants - an interesting bit of early California history.

Any Land Grant historians in this group?

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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #996 on: January 28, 2014, 11:29:08 AM »
NJ, If your last name was the Spanish version (with the 'd"), you'd most likely have been an heir to a Spanish land grant.

I once was acquainted with a member of the Smith family whom I understand once owned thousands of acres along the Laguna Beach coastline all the way east into what is now the city of Irvine where the El Toro Marine Corps Air Station used to be located .... the result of a Mexican Land Grant, I've been told.

Mexican Land Grants - an interesting bit of early California history.

Any Land Grant historians in this group?
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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #997 on: January 29, 2014, 07:16:36 AM »
Always great to see Steve Reeves mentioned. Steve was promoting his Power Walking just before he died of cancer of the lymph.


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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #998 on: January 30, 2014, 12:32:23 PM »
An interesting YOUTUBE video on REEVES regarding the use of 'roids'.


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Re: Muscle Beach History - by Stuntmovie
« Reply #999 on: January 30, 2014, 12:37:26 PM »
An  interview ...


A  letter ...