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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wolfox on March 05, 2014, 05:43:55 PM
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...sloth-like metabolisms. It's no coincidence how these guys on low cal no carb psmf diets have super slow metabolisms. Grown 180lb men here who maintain at under 1300 cals daily? ??? Thats sad.
Here's the solution.
Now if you want to be a under 8% year around like a dipshit and aren't a hebrew with lean genetics then this vid is not for you.
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Bump for the clueless in need of help.
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I already posted this. No need to post it again.
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Forearms of a 14yr old schoolgirl.
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I already posted this. No need to post it again.
Must have missed it. Got a link?
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I already posted this. No need to post it again.
Layne Norton explains his own work better. ;)
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Yep been doing this for years it works.
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Yep been doing this for years it works.
Disgusted, last summer I posted about this and you said it was nonsense when I posted someones unique experience with reverse dieting. ???
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Yep been doing this for years it works.
Wolfox AND Disgusted approved. 8)
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Disgusted, last summer I posted about this and you said it was nonsense when I posted someones unique experience with reverse dieting. ???
Show me the post please. I didn't see the vid btw I just went by what someone told me in a pm.
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Yep been doing this for years it works.
Watch all the starvation diet advocates here - and there's a lot of them - hop on the bandwagon now.
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Show me the post please. I didn't see the vid btw I just went by what someone told me in a pm.
Feel free to post the PM since I'm the one who sent you it and requested your opinion.
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Show me the post please. I didn't see the vid btw I just went by what someone told me in a pm.
This thread:
(I have all his info, diet and training if you are interested)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=481844.msg6838195#msg6838195
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talking to me or adonis ???
Referring to Layme
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Tell me more about the BioLayne foundation...
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Ok to sum it up since not everyone can view the vid this is basically what I PMed Disgusted with:
Layne advocates "reverse dieting" which entails slowly increasing cals to increase your metabolic capacity/metabolism. In doing so, former low cal dieters can in time maintain and lose weight at a higher caloric intake than previously before.
Layne gives several client examples where this occurs. An IFBB pro and a few amateurs are given as his client examples. Under Layne's Reverse Dieting approach they are able to get contest ready with higher cals than before.
He also notes extreme responders to 'reverse dieting' who after a contest... actually continue to get leaner while calories are increased.
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I can explain in my view what is happening but it.s gonna require a rather lengthy explanation which I will do soon.
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I can explain in my view what is happening but it.s gonna require a rather lengthy explanation which I will do soon.
All the starvation diet advocates and their groupies around here wait with bated keto breath.
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Do what works best for you.....eating less is easiest for me, takes less time and less cooking.
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Ok to sum it up since not everyone can view the vid this basically what I PMed Disgusted with:
Layne advocates "reverse dieting" which entails slowly increasing cals to increase your metabolic capacity/metabolism. In doing so, former low cal dieters can in time maintain and lose weight at a higher caloric intake than previously before.
Layne gives several client examples where this occurs. An IFBB pro and a few amateurs are given as his client examples. Under Layne's Reverse Dieting approach they are able to get contest ready with higher cals than before.
He also notes extreme responders to 'reverse dieting' who after a contest... actually continue to get leaner while calories are increased.
well guess what in the book, long long time ago i said the leaner one gets the more he can eat.
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btw norton is disshonest about steroid use why would one believe anything he says.
despite im bigger and look better,so i got nothing to learn from him.
look in the video looks like never trained and fatso.
and increasing calories isnt the only way to "Boost" a metabolism.
so,whats new? ???
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well guess what in the book, long long time ago i said the leaner one gets the more he can eat.
Are you talking about refeeds? If so thats not Reverse Dieting.
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Watch all the starvation diet advocates here - and there's a lot of them - hop on the bandwagon now.
Called it :D
Wolfox and TA changing the tides of getbig. 8)
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Starvation diets are highly moronic if you are a lifetime natural.
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Starvation diets are highly moronic if you are a lifetime natural.
Long term yes but they can help to "switch gears", between different fases in my opinion. Psychologically.
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Starvation diets are highly moronic if you are a lifetime natural.
what's ideal cal intake for body recomp purposes in your opinion?
i'd say BWx15-17
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Bump to educate ketotards. 8)
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Natural pro and powerlifter Devon Palombo uses reverse dieting. And also remains this level of leanness with 500g carb days.
7 days out
(http://i58.tinypic.com/s2zaeo.jpg)
2 weeks post show reverse diet.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2laajyh.jpg)
8 months into reverse diet. 188lbs
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1497402_247661292080233_194538229_n.jpg)
Went to vegas and hit the buffet...
Refeed day breakfast
(http://i61.tinypic.com/24v6sra.jpg)
Same day lunch
(http://i62.tinypic.com/25tb9ma.jpg)
Pump after 10,000+ cal refeed day.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2qjio94.jpg)
The kid does know what he's doing lol.."Natural Pro" or whatever...Still gets props from me.
He's famous for his 10k cal brutal refeed days...He's done Youtube vids of an entire 10k cal day and it doesn't even look fun lol looks brutal. But he stays shredded year round doing this..
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If that guy lies about using drugs, why would you believe him when he talks about diet?
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If that guy lies about using drugs, why would you believe him when he talks about diet?
1. I don't think he "lies" about using drugs I just think he wins "Natural" shows...I've never heard him talk about drugs. He passes some form of drug test for the shows, if you want to compete against him, and pass the same tests, feel free. He is definitely not on tons of shit, judging by that stringy shredded look..
2. He has documented his entire life for years on Youtube. Hasn't even made any drastic progress...Still benches like 250 for maybe 10 reps..easily natural numbers - videos?sort=da&view=0&flow=grid
3. He is popular and famous in the scene...He does not lie about his diet rofl the kid regularly films himself eating like 5+ full plates of food at Chinese Buffets post workout etc..
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i dont believe in any of that shit
wanna get shredded?
stop eating, the end
Yeah it's not like ALL high level bodybuilders eat like a horses and stay <8% all off-season or anything..Most of them eat the exact same way all the way up to the Olympia except maybe drop carbs a bit and raise doses / add cutting drugs.
Hell Some of them EAT MORE up to shows and just add drugs etc...Lol. Regardless "Stop eating" is complete baloney...
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If that guy lies about using drugs, why would you believe him when he talks about diet?
Dumb logic bro. I ignored gal when he said the same because gal often says stupid stuff but I expect more from you. Layne has a phd in nutritional science. He has probably read every published study that's even remotely related to his field. For years now he has coached professionals and amateurs with a long client list...he has ALOT of data to pull from.
Did you even watch the video? Are his clients in on the scam? What about other coaches that have seen the same thing happen and use reverse dieting too? Did Layne secretly throw a few hundred to Disgusted too?
Also, dude has gotten lean as fuck himself, competed, and went pro.
As for the natty debate that's just stupid and pointless.
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i dont believe in any of that shit
wanna get shredded?
stop eating, the end
yah in the end it always comes down to this.
sure its easy to talk theory about diet when sitting at 10% fat or more.
everythung will work there.i could eat 4000cals every day and be 10% year round.
so what.
btw yeah the other way to increase metablism is increasing activity.give that litle more food and will help to be much more active,
and no shit the liar palubo guy above, i have 1000gramms of pure sugar days and always shredded, doent mean a thing.
try doing that for 1 week and see what happpens.
a well times carbing up wont make anyone fat,if they been depleted and return afterwars to dieting.
at 10% everything gonna work, i could literaly eat half the calories from chocolate and be 10%.
and yes, when very shredded cane at more, simply bc the body has no fat deposits to take any energy from nomore.
however i see fatties talking about metabolic damage and they nowhere remotely cole to lean to be needed any metabolic boost.they dont know the first damn thing.
sure they can diet slowly on what do i know 2500cals and itll take an eternity to get even 10%.
those are the baby steps,i did that what feels like 100 years ago,the first time breaking intot he single digits.
this is childsplay for me these day, one who knows his body can just crash the cals and then keep tight, no panic and will be shredded in least possible timeframe.
if the fat fucks need more cals and therefore time bc theyre pussies oh well, they can have that,its their time ;D
bw agreing with adonis a natural should crash the cals as badly, obviously.
so lets lay out the classical diet.
say start at 3000clas day.couple weeks then must go to 2500,etc,etc, and they all end up at the end eating mostly protein and bit carbs or bit fats anyway.
so can one explain to me, why the high calories part cant be skipped?what will happen if its skipped?
ofc i know the replies,its more to make ppl think.
heres another bit reality.
so if someone by change happens to get shredded on high calories,without 2 times a day lifting + 2hrs cardio and construction job(ill believe it when i see it, so far in 20 years i didnt see it guess why)
what do they think, will they be able to hld the condition when upping the cals by 500every day?
haha, let me tell you all upfront right on the spot, its not going to happen.
being shredded long term has nothing to do with calories,it has to do with consistenly and always only eating when hungry.
dont believe it?try for yourself.
wolfox im disapointed by you, lay norton looks like shit unless very few last weeks before a show.
theres nothing to learn from him.
why isnt he lean year round if its so easy?
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yah in the end it always comes down to this.
sure its easy to talk theory about diet when sitting at 10% fat or more.
everythung will work there.i could eat 4000cals every day and be 10% year round.
so what.
btw yeah the other way to increase metablism is increasing activity.give that litle more food and will help to be much more active,
and no shit the liar palubo guy above, i have 1000gramms of pure sugar days and always shredded, doent mean a thing.
try doing that for 1 week and see what happpens.
a well times carbing up wont make anyone fat,if they been depleted and return afterwars to dieting.
at 10% everything gonna work, i could literaly eat half the calories from chocolate and be 10%.
and yes, when very shredded cane at more, simply bc the body has no fat deposits to take any energy from nomore.
however i see fatties talking about metabolic damage and they nowhere remotely cole to lean to be needed any metabolic boost.they dont know the first damn thing.
sure they can diet slowly on what do i know 2500cals and itll take an eternity to get even 10%.
those are the baby steps,i did that what feels like 100 years ago,the first time breaking intot he single digits.
this is childsplay for me these day, one who knows his body can just crash the cals and then keep tight, no panic and will be shredded in least possible timeframe.
if the fat fucks need more cals and therefore time bc theyre pussies oh well, they can have that,its their time ;D
bw agreing with adonis a natural should crash the cals as badly, obviously.
so lets lay out the classical diet.
say start at 3000clas day.couple weeks then must go to 2500,etc,etc, and they all end up at the end eating mostly protein and bit carbs or bit fats anyway.
so can one explain to me, why the high calories part cant be skipped?what will happen if its skipped?
ofc i know the replies,its more to make ppl think.
heres another bit reality.
so if someone by change happens to get shredded on high calories,without 2 times a day lifting + 2hrs cardio and construction job(ill believe it when i see it, so far in 20 years i didnt see it guess why)
what do they think, will they be able to hld the condition when upping the cals by 500every day?
haha, let me tell you all upfront right on the spot, its not going to happen.
being shredded long term has nothing to do with calories,it has to do with consistenly and always only eating when hungry.
dont believe it?try for yourself.
wolfox im disapointed by you, lay norton looks like shit unless very few last weeks before a show.
theres nothing to learn from him.
why isnt he lean year round if its so easy?
Gal, seriously, did you even watch the video? He explains it in the video. Gives you data in the video. He answers your questions - especially your last question - in the video.
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Gal, seriously, did you even watch the video? He explains it in the video. Gives you data in the video. He answers your questions - especially your last question - in the video.
Not even worth it dude...Guy claims eating 1,000 calories or less is the only way like gospel...Meanwhile there are dudes eating 500g of carbs every single day staying shredded...I mean there is no point in arguing with him.
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Not even worth it dude...Guy claims eating 1,000 calories or less is the only way like gospel...Meanwhile there are dudes eating 500g of carbs every single day staying shredded...I mean there is no point in arguing with him.
Not the only way, the quickest way.
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Naturals look so much better than juicers. Less size and more angular look to the muscles is the best look.
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Dumb logic bro. I ignored gal when he said the same because gal often says stupid stuff but I expect more from you. Layne has a phd in nutritional science. He has probably read every published study that's even remotely related to his field. For years now he has coached professionals and amateurs with a long client list...he has ALOT of data to pull from.
Did you even watch the video? Are his clients in on the scam? What about other coaches that have seen the same thing happen and use reverse dieting too? Did Layne secretly throw a few hundred to Disgusted too?
Also, dude has gotten lean as fuck himself, competed, and went pro.
As for the natty debate that's just stupid and pointless.
Relax homeboy, I wasnt talking about the Layne Norton video, but the Facebook pages of the "drug-free" powerlifter/bodybuilder. A lot of people like to lie and act like they can eat whatever and still get shredded, just to seem special. *cough True Adonis*
I have no real beef with Layne Norton...I don't think he's natural, but he's accomplished a lot in bodybuilding and powerlifting. If his approach works best for you, sounds like its a winner.
There are many paths to the top of Mount Fuji
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Relax homeboy, I wasnt talking about the Layne Norton video, but the Facebook pages of the "drug-free" powerlifter/bodybuilder. A lot of people like to lie and act like they can eat whatever and still get shredded, just to seem special. *cough True Adonis*
I have no real beef with Layne Norton...I don't think he's natural, but he's accomplished a lot in bodybuilding and powerlifting. If his approach works best for you, sounds like its a winner.
There are many paths to the top of Mount Fuji
How am I lying? Want to see what I ate yesterday?
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OK I'm gonna just start rambling here and hopefully will touch upon what this guy is talking about. As I said I didn't watch the video, but I believe I got an overview of what it is about. I have always stressed to my clients that it is advantageous to stay lean, especially after a show. In fact after a show is the perfect time for someone to start a growth cycle. Generally at this time the body is so ready to start eating again and will soak up nutrients.
Ideally if someone came to me to prep them for a show they would be about 12 to 14 weeks out and at around 12% or so BF. This give me plenty of time to get someone in shape and they do don't have to suffer too much or at least not until the very end. Unfortunately this doesn't always happen. So, let's say someone comes to me at around 18 to 20% and they are about 20 weeks out. It is then that I would have to cut calories accordingly to make sure they are in shape or at least as ripped as possible given the time frame. It's not always possible to get someone shredded if they are too out of shape but I will explain this to them and if they are happy with being very lean then we will go for it. If they are too fat I tell them to wait.
So there are times when I may start someone on very low cals say around 1500 or I may stagger there cals on certain days. There are many variable here as far as what can effect fat loss and the rate at how fast it can be lost, many different drugs which in general I do not like to use until 6 weeks out if I have to at all. Also, there is cardio and I will def use it if need be.
So lets assume that this fellow got very lean and his caloric intake was anywhere between 1500 to 1800 calories and sometimes as low as 1000 on some days. After the show if he decides he still wants to be a part of this drug infested crazy sport ;D I would not only advise him to stay lean but would recommend he uses this time to grow. I would slowly start to add calories and yes I also will add some carbs. I may start at 2000 and go up about 200 per week until I see him trying to lay down some fat. This approach has worked well for me in the past, but most people do not have the discipline to do this especially right after a show.
So can a person slow down their metabo or increase it? Well that's kind of a loaded question. If I take this same person and do his prep again and instead of him starting out at 20% BF he starts at say 8% he maybe able to diet on 3000 or more cals for the most part until it's time to cut them as the show gets nearer. So has his metabo increased because he is now dieting on more calories? The answer to that is no. He's just starting out leaner and doesn't have to go into such a deficit this time because of a certain time schedule.
Regardless if you are a BBer or just the average Joe there are people who will crash diet on say for example 1000 cals. The body will do what ever it can to fend off starvation. Of course no matter what it does to slow it's own metabolism down one can eventually starve to death. Also, depending on what type of diet you are on say a very low fat diet you can be unable to make certain hormones and you thyroid may also suffer further screwing things up. I have seen people diet on extremely low fat diets and really fuck themselves up after a while. It's much more advantageous when dieting on a very low cal diet to go no carbs then almost no fat.
So the person who is at one end of the spectrum after dieting on extremely low cals for an extended period of time will benefit from added calories which in turn can bring you metabolism back to a more optimal level which in turn can help you to start losing fat again. So it's not necessarily that you have miraculously speed up a persons metabo to above optimal levels, more the fact that you have brought them back to normal from a suboptimal state. As I said earlier there are many variables as to how many calories one can eat while either gaining, maintaining or losing body fat. If someone is eating 500 grams of carbs a day and getting the minimum amount of fats and protein he can certainly stay lean and there is no mystery as to why.
We all have our min and max amount of calories that we can eat as a healthy person as far as losing maintaining or gaining fat while doing X amount of exercise per day. If one increases their calorie expenditure through exercise or the use of drugs then that person will start to lose body fat, but we can maximize our metabolism only to the point that it is humanly possible to do so. There is no way to "trick" our bodies into raising it's metabolism through food manipulation over and above optimal healthy levels. Please read that again as this is key. Hope this was helpful to some of you.
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Not the only way, the quickest way.
Quick, and losing fat do not belong in the same sentence...You will incinerate muscle on a low calorie diet period..The entire point of being lean is to be huge, no one cares about the lean skinny little punk with abs..
On all the drugs in the world pro's still take 3 months to go from <10% to stage shape...Think about that. And they do it eating huge piles of food 6 times per day or more..
If I'm 230lbs at 10% and I maintain that on 3,500 cals a day...I will hit 9% on 3,250 cals for 3 weeks, 8% on 3,000, 7% on 3,000 with clen, 6% on 3,000 with clen and t3, and 6% - stage on lowering carbs.
Absolutely no reason to ever eat 1,000 calories per day lol...It's ludicrous.
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OK I'm gonna just start rambling here and hopefully will touch upon what this guy is talking about. As I said I didn't watch the video, but I believe I got an overview of what it is about. I have always stressed to my clients that it is advantageous to stay lean, especially after a show. In fact after a show is the perfect time for someone to start a growth cycle. Generally at this time the body is so ready to start eating again and will soak up nutrients.
Ideally if someone came to me to prep them for a show they would be about 12 to 14 weeks out and at around 12% or so BF. This give me plenty of time to get someone in shape and they do don't have to suffer too much or at least not until the very end. Unfortunately this doesn't always happen. So, let's say someone comes to me at around 18 to 20% and they are about 20 weeks out. It is then that I would have to cut calories accordingly to make sure they are in shape or at least as ripped as possible given the time frame. It's not always possible to get someone shredded if they are too out of shape but I will explain this to them and if they are happy with being very lean then we will go for it. If they are too fat I tell them to wait.
So there are times when I may start someone on very low cals say around 1500 or I may stagger there cals on certain days. There are many variable here as far as what can effect fat loss and the rate at how fast it can be lost, many different drugs which in general I do not like to use until 6 weeks out if I have to at all. Also, there is cardio and I will def use it if need be.
So lets assume that this fellow got very lean and his caloric intake was anywhere between 1500 to 1800 calories and sometimes as low as 1000 on some days. After the show if he decides he still wants to be a part of this drug infested crazy sport ;D I would not only advise him to stay lean but would recommend he uses this time to grow. I would slowly start to add calories and yes I also will add some carbs. I may start at 2000 and go up about 200 per week until I see him trying to lay down some fat. This approach has worked well for me in the past, but most people do not have the discipline to do this especially right after a show.
So can a person slow down their metabo or increase it? Well that's kind of a loaded question. If I take this same person and do his prep again and instead of him starting out at 20% BF he starts at say 8% he maybe able to diet on 3000 or more cals for the most part until it's time to cut them as the show gets nearer. So has his metabo increased because he is now dieting on more calories? The answer to that is no. He's just starting out leaner and doesn't have to go into such a deficit this time because of a certain time schedule.
Regardless if you are a BBer or just the average Joe there are people who will crash diet on say for example 1000 cals. The body will do what ever it can to fend off starvation. Of course no matter what it does to slow it's own metabolism down one can eventually starve to death. Also, depending on what type of diet you are on say a very low fat diet you can be unable to make certain hormones and you thyroid may also suffer further screwing things up. I have seen people diet on extremely low fat diets and really fuck themselves up after a while. It's much more advantageous when dieting on a very low cal diet to go no carbs then almost no fat.
So the person who is at one end of the spectrum after dieting on extremely low cals for an extended period of time will benefit from added calories which in turn can bring you metabolism back to a more optimal level which in turn can help you to start losing fat again. So it's not necessarily that you have miraculously speed up a persons metabo to above optimal levels, more the fact that you have brought them back to normal from a suboptimal state. As I said earlier there are many variables as to how many calories one can eat while either maintaining or losing body fat. If someone is eating 500 grams of carbs a day and getting the minimum amount of fats and protein he can certainly stay lean and there is no mystery as to why.
We all have our min and max amount of calories that we can eat as a healthy person as far as losing maintaining or gaining fat while doing X amount of exercise per day. If one increases their calorie expenditure through exercise or the use of drugs then that person will start to lose body fat, but we can maximize our metabolism only to the point that it is humanly possible to do so. There is no way to "trick" our bodies into raising it's metabolism through food manipulation over and above optimal healthy levels. Please read that again as this is key. Hope this was helpful to some of you.
This was a VERY good post!
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This was a VERY good post!
Thank you. :)
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Thank you. :)
Starting someone who has no business competing in the first place, being 20% bf means they are are beyond retarded, on essentially a crash diet i.e. 1500 cals a day...Lol STARTING a diet on 1,500 calories per day...Do you even realize how fucking stupid this is? Where do you go from there?...20% bf on 1,500 cals rofl they are skinny-fat on whatever they are eating so you immediately....wow
Wow you are just too stupid for words lol. "Expert" tag I love it. Fucking logging off this pathetic site before I lose it.
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How am I lying? Want to see what I ate yesterday?
I'd be more interested in a photo from yesterday that demonstrates your current condition, but I know you'll never post one
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Starting someone who has no business competing in the first place, being 20% bf means they are are beyond retarded, on essentially a crash diet i.e. 1500 cals a day...Lol STARTING a diet on 1,500 calories per day...Do you even realize how fucking stupid this is? Where do you go from there?...20% bf on 1,500 cals rofl they are skinny-fat on whatever they are eating so you immediately....wow
Wow you are just too stupid for words lol. "Expert" tag I love it. Fucking logging off this pathetic site before I lose it.
Thanks for clarifying that. Maybe someday you can school me on all this diet science. It gets confusing at times. ;)
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I wonder if we could get Layne Norton to post here. Im too lazy to find a way to get into contact with him... anyone else wanna try?
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Starting someone who has no business competing in the first place, being 20% bf means they are are beyond retarded, on essentially a crash diet i.e. 1500 cals a day...Lol STARTING a diet on 1,500 calories per day...Do you even realize how fucking stupid this is? Where do you go from there?...20% bf on 1,500 cals rofl they are skinny-fat on whatever they are eating so you immediately....wow
Wow you are just too stupid for words lol. "Expert" tag I love it. Fucking logging off this pathetic site before I lose it.
Temper,
I think there are a lot of people who are around that body fat and may want to compete in a show in X weeks. If they come to Disgusted for help, I think the only logical thing to do in that case is to drop their calories low in order to hopefully be ready for that show or whatever. I am a "high" calorie/reverse diet/eat whatever you want advocate of course, but sometimes the opposite will have to be undertaken say if someone comes to Disgusted and wants to be ready in 12-14 weeks and is relatively fat. Then I do think drastic measures have to be taken. Ideally they would just choose another show, but that is not always the case.
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Disgusted is right. So is Gal. So is TA. If you read their posts, they're in agreement on some core fundamentals (the time and place for low cal diets, the ability to "eat more" once you're lean and you ladder up the metabolism).
Make no mistake about it though, if you're 8 percent, you can't just ramp up to 7K calories per day (let's say you weigh under 200lbs) and stay super lean forever. You will get fat eventually.
If you're fat, you'll have to starve and work hard to get lean. Then, once you're lean, you can intelligently and gradually increase calories. If you stay disciplined to a daily caloric intake (as TA has always advised) then you can manage your bodyfat as you increase calories gradually.
At a certain tipping point, your ability to grow will plateau, and a continual increase in calories will lay down too much bodyfat for the lean mass gain. This is when many an off season bodybuilder has thrown caution to the wind, subscribed to the "more is more" mentality, and gone hog wild with the food. And then bloated up to 25 percent bodyfat off season. Then, the whole process of starving down to a show in 16 weeks repeats itself.
Nothing new has been said here that we don't all know. And we've all known this for years, it's just that it's hard work, and we all like the neatest newest dieting trick or the program we don't know about yet. But here's the truisms we all know to be just that...truisms;
1. don't get too fat
2. if you want to do a show, don't start your diet at too fat a phase. Get to 10 or 12 percent gradually, then think about a show
3. if you stay as disciplined in the off season with caloric intake as you do pre-season, you will find you can more effectively manage bodyfat and not get too out of shape too fast before you can do something positive about it. Don't sweat the macros or meal timing too much...do sweat the caloric intake. This allows you to diet for fewer weeks in your next show, and not have to drop calories as low to get in shape (you're carrying less bodyfat, so this really makes sense)
I like the moniker "reverse dieting"...nice marketing tactic on an old trick every bodybuilder who's done a few shows has known about for decades. Everything in this sport gets recycled and sold as new magic over and over again. We're pretty foolish for falling for it every time.
There are no secrets. Watch what you eat. Don't be a pig. Go to the gym and lift pretty often and try to push yourself. Get some rest. Don't stress about it all...it takes time. Maybe get laid in between to pass the time.
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Disgusted is right. So is Gal. So is TA. If you read their posts, they're in agreement on some core fundamentals (the time and place for low cal diets, the ability to "eat more" once you're lean and you ladder up the metabolism).
Make no mistake about it though, if you're 8 percent, you can't just ramp up to 7K calories per day (let's say you weigh under 200lbs) and stay super lean forever. You will get fat eventually.
If you're fat, you'll have to starve and work hard to get lean. Then, once you're lean, you can intelligently and gradually increase calories. If you stay disciplined to a daily caloric intake (as TA has always advised) then you can manage your bodyfat as you increase calories gradually.
At a certain tipping point, your ability to grow will plateau, and a continual increase in calories will lay down too much bodyfat for the lean mass gain. This is when many an off season bodybuilder has thrown caution to the wind, subscribed to the "more is more" mentality, and gone hog wild with the food. And then bloated up to 25 percent bodyfat off season. Then, the whole process of starving down to a show in 16 weeks repeats itself.
Nothing new has been said here that we don't all know. And we've all known this for years, it's just that it's hard work, and we all like the neatest newest dieting trick or the program we don't know about yet. But here's the truisms we all know to be just that...truisms;
1. don't get too fat
2. if you want to do a show, don't start your diet at too fat a phase. Get to 10 or 12 percent gradually, then think about a show
3. if you stay as disciplined in the off season with caloric intake as you do pre-season, you will find you can more effectively manage bodyfat and not get too out of shape too fast before you can do something positive about it. Don't sweat the macros or meal timing too much...do sweat the caloric intake. This allows you to diet for fewer weeks in your next show, and not have to drop calories as low to get in shape (you're carrying less bodyfat, so this really makes sense)
I like the moniker "reverse dieting"...nice marketing tactic on an old trick every bodybuilder who's done a few shows has known about for decades. Everything in this sport gets recycled and sold as new magic over and over again. We're pretty foolish for falling for it every time.
There are no secrets. Watch what you eat. Don't be a pig. Go to the gym and lift pretty often and try to push yourself. Get some rest. Don't stress about it all...it takes time. Maybe get laid in between to pass the time.
I was going to post pretty much the same thing, but now there is no need. ;)
Great post!
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You chronic lowcal dieters who aren't seeing the results you want need to wake up and smell the coffee.
And for you guys who want to stay under 8% and don't naturally have those lean genetics... well, good luck with your health and have fun. And if you don't compete and yet want to stay so lean year around... you need to go talk to a Shrink.
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1. I don't think he "lies" about using drugs I just think he wins "Natural" shows...I've never heard him talk about drugs. He passes some form of drug test for the shows, if you want to compete against him, and pass the same tests, feel free. He is definitely not on tons of shit, judging by that stringy shredded look..
2. He has documented his entire life for years on Youtube. Hasn't even made any drastic progress...Still benches like 250 for maybe 10 reps..easily natural numbers - videos?sort=da&view=0&flow=grid
3. He is popular and famous in the scene...He does not lie about his diet rofl the kid regularly films himself eating like 5+ full plates of food at Chinese Buffets post workout etc..
I believe he eats all of that. I also believe he just pukes everything out again shortly afterward.
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You chronic lowcal dieters who aren't seeing the results you want need to wake up and smell the coffee.
And for you guys who want to stay under 8% and don't naturally have those lean genetics... well, good luck with your health and have fun. And if you don't compete and yet want to stay so lean year around... you need to go talk to a Shrink.
staying @ sub-8 ain't so hard, but staying @ sub-6 is a whole different story
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Naturals look so much better than juicers. Less size and more angular look to the muscles is the best look.
that devon guy isnt natural
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You chronic lowcal dieters who aren't seeing the results you want need to wake up and smell the coffee.
man you havent been at those leans yet, alas , cant talk about it.
if the low calorie approach doesnt work, what make syou think more calories will do it?
everybody is gonna lose weight on low calories everybody.
the only ones who are jstified to run knda medium range calories are ppl with big muscle amounts, huge guys, who are very active in general and on plenty of drugs.
we talking about getting shredded, but losing weight at 20% fat ,is all the same.
but a bodybuilder who knows what hes doing as long he has a feeling for true hunger cna eat whatever he wants and will be 10% year round, but thats easy.
nobody is made and born to be 6% year round.6% is just the border where health will be borderline fine.lower than that for too long is no good.
heres my calories throughout the week on maintainance.
1000-1500day for 6 days, and then 5000 for one or 2 days.
thats an average of just under 2000 or so,with perfectly timed reffed,not like thats hard.
see nothing special realy.the high cals days are pure trash foods.i keep the protein to minimum on those days.
thats that.
to get the last bits fat off,the refeed is smaller, or non existant,then i cycle the carbs a bit throughout the week.
ask any competitor, for the last bit fat to come off, you have to either go extremly low on cals and will suffer epic hunger, or youll have to be extremly active.
that is the reality, dont try to tell otherwise,this is the real life how it goes.
all this balonie talk about this and that diet, on steroids, for experienced lifter, doesnt matter, everyone can be 10% year round easily,if they ever been comp shape, its a joke to them.almost effortless.
for fatties who never been there, well, good luck, gotta earn their dues first, me im just saying hoqw its done the fastest way.
al this metablic damage bullfuckingshit talk is tiresome, heres how it goes, as you lose bodyweight, and fat, the metabloism slows down, why, well first bc bodyfat is a very metabolicaly active substance.so when thats gone, that means slowdown.
and the body cariees lets say 20lbs weight less around 247, this adds up,less cals burned in general.
ANYONE WHOS NOT REMOTELY NEAR SHREDDED AND TALKS ABOUT METABOLIC DAMAGE ARE PUSSIES THEY DIDNT DIET FOR LONG ENOUGH
the fat came slowly, took time to build up, what makes you think itll go fast unless theres radical measures?
its very simple, can lose 2lbs of pure lard weekly until in single digits, after that, due to slowdown, it becomes diametricaly harder and takes more time, will be happy if can lose 1lbs fat weekly when very lean.thats how it goes for everyone.
you are overthinking this, nobody gets peeled without suffering, nobody.
do you realize the eyesockets get the fat sucked out of them, the dead mans look when shredded, this doesnt happen without sufferage.
metabolic damage my balls.
yah the body is not meant to be 6%,so what.the body isnt meant to be muscular at all by nature, and its not meant to be injected with all kinds of hormones, fatburners, uppers downers and god knows what.
to get an extreme look, takes extreme measures.
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staying @ sub-8 ain't so hard, but staying @ sub-6 is a whole different story
yeah god knows i dislike this guy but the above is true.
everything will work, no food is forbidden, can eat chocolate and croisant every day to be bit under 10%.
no need ofr complicated theories, just no food unles not hungry.
sure its hard to get lean on trahs foods, for many many reasons, like bloodsugar up and downs etc.
but after getting shredded, half the cals of ure trash, hell even fizzy drinks and milk shakes, one will stay under 10% if they know diff between hunger and apetite.
problem is 10% on steroids one will look like a bloated whale.
difference for naturals is they dont get the bloat,they simply get bit fatter, diet is less forgiving.
see layne in the videos, hes something like i dont know 10% or so there.
for that look, i dont even have to train at all and can eat whatever i want.but i have been training for almost 2 decades now.
i wont look any worse than that even after shoulder surgery and full recovery.
so, what he talks there,to me is utter tripe.
hm, or lets ask like this, why are all builders when they closing in to competiton shape, very moody and not so aproachable,short fuses etc.
bc they are hungry as hell,thats why.
will my aproach maybe make 1or2 lbs of muscle disapear towards end of diet?compared to a lenghty 2k cals diet with refeeds and tons of cardio?
maybe, maybe not,the difference wont be visible in a picture.
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Galeniko laying the smack down but he's on the money.
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Galeniko laying the smack down but he's on the money.
yah thx man.
ppl want to hear an easy solution, but there is none.
everyone whos been to the point of striated everything, sundried, they will know it was no fun to get there.
what macros other than mostly protein doesnt matter, only difference is some aproaches wil take bit longer but thats personal preference.
it comes down to the following, permanent very low blood glucose levels, the longer time glucose levels and serum insulin levels are low, the more fatburning will happen, this is plain and simply science, how the body works and nobody is exempt of that rule.
nobody in the world burns fat while insulin serum levels are high.
yea alright, 10% range is a total joke, its actualy hard to gett fatter than that if one carries some decent size and trains and is on gear non stop.
only seriosu repeated overfeeding will get one fat under those circumstances, serious overfeeding means eating when not hungry, this is a million year old evolutionary tool were given,lol.not sure why some bbuilders think this doesnt count for them.
its an insult when i see such trollings, 20 years of training and very often very lean, i have tried many approaches, and i have seen many ppl trying different things.the one constant thing is calories must be pretty extremly low to get there.
i have to say it again when some joker wants to tell ME of all people how to get lean, and brings some aproaches which will bring the joe schmoe gymrat to 9% range, wow, thanks for the heads up.9% and 4% isnt even the same world.
one constant parameter toward the end is, you basicaly eat only to prevent starving to death, blood sugar is low even straight after a meal, etc.
the calories dont matter, you go as low as possible while having bit energy to train and live left, then you wait out the next unsatisfying meal to the point where you almost go insane, or have a binge breakdown.
can one have a reffed without getting fat while dieting.sure they can, but it stops fatloss for a while.
can on have bad foods every day?sure sure, but theyll linger around 10% or 8, depends a bit.
it can realy be summed up like this:the more time glucagon dominates over insulin in the blood, the faster the fatloss wil be.
its beyond me how anyone can claim eating more food will boost the metabolism.well maybe it does, but with that one gets fatter.
increase cals by 1000 daily for a week and youll be clearly fatter than 1 week ago.
with a boosted metabolism for sure, the boost will be from more metabolicaly active bodymass, in the form of fat.
a bodybuilder doesnt just increase his weight for no reason, fast weight gains will always be mostly water and fat.
if t werent the case everyone would be jacked and shredded to the bone.
when one is shredded,can they eat more?well they kinda have to, at times.this is a very delcate balancing act,though.
in summary, if ones goal is to be 10%, well, spare the toughts about reading too much into dieting, just get there and then can pretty much do adams diet as long you dont eat before hungry, will be 10%.
10% is fat deposits everywhere and barely any muscle separation.on steroids, can count 15lbs of useless water weight to that.
im sick to the maximum of these clowns"hey i have an easy diet solution listen to me".
no shit a metabolism gets bit slower towards the end of a bbuilding diet.a bit, btw its not my experience, mine is very fast all the way until theres no fat nomore anywhere, and it feels like itd carry on and on.
to me it sounds much like an excuse to eat more.oh well.
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ACE IN A TIME OUT????