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Gore calls out Bush on 9/11
Wednesday, November 29, 2006
He's seemingly still sticking to the patsy plotline, but getting more bold, flirting with a LIHOP position. Sen. Albert Gore, Jr. as interviewed by Gentleman's Quarterly :
"Okay, on to 9-11. What were you really feeling? Was there a part of you that felt a sense of relief that you weren’t in charge that day?
You mean a sense of relief that I didn’t have to deal with it? Oh no. Not at all. Not for one second. Not for one second. Why would I? I mean, well first of all, it just didn’t occur to me to feel anything like that. What did occur to me was to feel what every American felt, the outrage and anger and righteous anger, and support for the President at a time of danger… And, honestly, I was focused on the reality of the situation. And I wasn't president, so, you know, it wasn’t about me. Now, I do wish, now that we have some distance from the events, and we have all this knowledge about what this administration did do, I certainly feel that I wish that it had been handled differently, and I do wish that I had somehow been able to prevent some of the catastrophic mistakes that were made.
Do you feel that we would be safer today if you had been president on that day?
Well, no one can say that the 9-11 attack wouldn’t have occurred whoever was president.
Really? How about all the warnings?
That's a separate question. And it’s almost too easy to say, "I would have heeded the warnings." In fact, I think I would have, I know I would have. We had several instances when the CIA’s alarm bells went off, and what we did when that happened was, we had emergency meetings and called everybody together and made sure that all systems were go and every agency was hitting on all cylinders, and we made them bring more information, and go into the second and third and fourth level of detail. And made suggestions on how we could respond in a more coordinated, more effective way. It is inconceivable to me that Bush would read a warning as stark and as clear [voice angry now] as the one he received on August 6th of 2001, and, according to some of the new histories, he turned to the briefer and said, "Well, you’ve covered your ass." And never called a follow up meeting. Never made an inquiry. Never asked a single question. To this day, I don't understand it. And, I think it’s fair to say that he personally does in fact bear a measure of blame for not doing his job at a time when we really needed him to do his job. And now the Woodward book has this episode that has been confirmed by the record that George Tenet, who was much abused by this administration, went over to the White House for the purpose of calling an emergency meeting and warning as clearly as possible about the extremely dangerous situation with Osama bin Laden, and was brushed off! And I don’t know why—honestly—I mean, I understand how horrible this Congressman Foley situation with the instant messaging is, okay? I understand that. But, why didn't these kinds of things produce a similar outrage? And you know, I'm even reluctant to talk about it in these terms because it's so easy for people to hear this or read this as sort of cheap political game-playing. I understand how it could sound that way. [Practically screaming now] But dammit, whatever happened to the concept of accountability for catastrophic failure? This administration has been by far the most incompetent, inept, and with more moral cowardice, and obsequiousness to their wealthy contributors, and obliviousness to the public interest of any administration in modern history, and probably in the entire history of the country!
Note to reader: When Gore runs for President in 2008, you will hear more of this.
This is the first time a top Dem has specifically called Bush out for the Aug 6 warning. Bush knew, folks.
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Bush knew, folks.
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dude, you're an X-files case.
you need to be studied
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dude, you're an X-files case.
you need to be studied
Shows how much credibility people like you have, 240 doesn't need to make fun of people.
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Shows how much credibility people like you have, 240 doesn't need to make fun of people.
You're right. He needs to get off the conspiracy bit... he's a loon!
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Shows how much credibility people like you have, 240 doesn't need to make fun of people.
you would think after 200 threads on the subject and God knows how many posts, he would have made his point by now.
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Shows how much credibility people like you have, 240 doesn't need to make fun of people.
Revisionist history. Of course he does. He questions the patriotism of people who disagree with him. He curses at and labels people who disagree with him. That's one of the most bizarre things about this nonsense. It's bad enough to become so passionate about this, but to ridicule those who don't buy a fairy tale is really funny.
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He questions the patriotism of people who disagree with him.
Never, he questions the Patriotism of people who blindly watch one news channel and believe only what the Government tells them is right.
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I just i'm still around here in 2008 when we learn more about why 9/11 happend. :D
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240's the biggest lunatic ive ever dealt with in my life. but hes cool, ive never seen him call anyone names.
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Never, he questions the Patriotism of people who blindly watch one news channel and believe only what the Government tells them is right.
Speaking of blind.. if you would actually WATCH that channel for a day objectively you might change your tune.
But you can choose to believe leftist sources such as CNN, CSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times, Wash Post, LA Times, USA Today. All of which have ovewhelmingly liberal editorial sections and guests and engage in nothing but smear tactics and personal attacks (not to mention outright lies) to sway you "sheeple" as you're so fond of saying about us.
Some of us wanted the truth presented in a balanced forum. So came FNC and all liberals shit on themselves. Funny how one channel with a different set of values angers the left so much considering how much of the media is in liberal hands.
Let the flaming begin.
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240's the biggest lunatic ive ever dealt with in my life. but hes cool, ive never seen him call anyone names.
Honestly, I would love to believe that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists from another Country, but think about it....
The government gives us 3 different explanations of why WTC7 fell, lets see.... When a criminal thats being interrogated gives more then one answer to the same question we at least find it suspicious.
Firemen, Police, and Reporters all saying there were explosions going off as the tower was burning.
Seismic data showing explosions.
The building coming down at free fall speed, please please tell me how that happend? That rules out the official pancake theory on why the towers fell.
Steel that remained Molten under the towers for 3 weeks. Jet fuel can't melt steel? Right? Hell! I know it can't I'm a welder LOL
Thats just scratching the surface.
So without making fun, explain any of that, PLEASE. It's all fact. Theres no reason to make this stuff up. Even though I was to young to vote when Bush first ran I was a big supperter. I come from a Republican family, not sheeple though.
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I LOVE AL GORE... AH HAAAA!!!! I SAID IT I SAID IT I SAID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ADMIT IT, I LOVE AL GORE UP YOURS YOU A-HOLES AH HAAAAA AH HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D :D
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Speaking of blind.. if you would actually WATCH that channel for a day objectively you might change your tune.
But you can choose to believe leftist sources such as CNN, CSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NY Times, Wash Post, LA Times, USA Today. All of which have ovewhelmingly liberal editorial sections and guests and engage in nothing but smear tactics and personal attacks (not to mention outright lies) to sway you "sheeple" as you're so fond of saying about us.
Some of us wanted the truth presented in a balanced forum. So came FNC and all liberals shit on themselves. Funny how one channel with a different set of values angers the left so much considering how much of the media is in liberal hands.
Let the flaming begin.
I knew you were just another one of there kind. :D How do you know what news I watch? I promise you I'm more conservative than you ever dreamed of being.
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I knew you were just another one of there kind. :D How do you know what news I watch? I promise you I'm more conservative than you ever dreamed of being.
Yeah right...
You wanna-be cons say that because you know, in principle, which side has the ethical high ground and which direction is better for the country. (And I'm not even talking from a religious standpoint)
The fact is that you're NOT conservative and you're also too weak to look past everything negative being said about the right (and FNC) mostly due to the failings of this prez.
Pull your head out of your ass, stay objective, and watch FNC for a bit then get back to me.
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i TOLD everyone back in 2000 not to vote for bush. Gore was 100% better in every concievable way. fucking morons voted in this idiot (though he won by losing the popular vote ::)) and now look what we have to show for it:
this is the guy you voted in.
1. a man whose public speaking skills rival that of an orangutang, who makes a fool of himself everytime he speaks
2. a man who does not care or understand anything about environmental issues, and continues to isolate the USA on such matters
3. if gore was in, would 911 have happened? maybe not.
4. if gore was in, would he have put us in another vietnam?
5. if gore was in, would the entire world hate us right now?
i KNEW this would happen, in fact it was far worse than i even imagined.
thanks for voting in Bush, guys.
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Yeah right...
You wanna-be cons say that because you know, in principle, which side has the ethical high ground and which direction is better for the country. (And I'm not even talking from a religious standpoint)
The fact is that you're NOT conservative and you're also too weak to look past everything negative being said about the right (and FNC) mostly due to the failings of this prez.
Pull your head out of your ass, stay objective, and watch FNC for a bit then get back to me.
Yes, you are the real deal. Spending 346,302,400,000 on a baseless war in Iraq and leaving our borders open to the world is very Conservative!!! HAHA
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Yes, you are the real deal. Spending 346,302,400,000 on a baseless war in Iraq is very Conservative!!! HAHA
I have my own issues with the war but was another thread.
Way to change the subject when you know I'm right... pussy. ;D
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I have my own issues with the war but was another thread.
Way to change the subject when you know I'm right... pussy. ;D
You changed the subject by questioning my political leanings. 8)
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Honestly, I would love to believe that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists from another Country, but think about it....
The government gives us 3 different explanations of why WTC7 fell, lets see.... When a criminal thats being interrogated gives more then one answer to the same question we at least find it suspicious.
Firemen, Police, and Reporters all saying there were explosions going off as the tower was burning.
Seismic data showing explosions.
The building coming down at free fall speed, please please tell me how that happend? That rules out the official pancake theory on why the towers fell.
Steel that remained Molten under the towers for 3 weeks. Jet fuel can't melt steel? Right? Hell! I know it can't I'm a welder LOL
Thats just scratching the surface.
So without making fun, explain any of that, PLEASE. It's all fact. Theres no reason to make this stuff up. Even though I was to young to vote when Bush first ran I was a big supperter. I come from a Republican family, not sheeple though.
Any ideas on this Brixton?
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH!!!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know what pisses me off like a mother fucker... The coal mines told the coal miners that if they voted for Gore, it was a vote to have their jobs taken away... Which anyone with half a fucking brain would know is absolutely impossible because at the most Al Gore would have put us on a path to alternate energy but shutting down the coal mines would have been absolutely impossible. ZERO CHANCE... Now what has Bush come along and done, set the path for nuclear power plants to be build around the country... Do you suppose one of these mother fucking coal mine companies came out and said, sorry guys, our bust, it looks like it was Bush out for your job.... hell fucking no... hell fuking NO.... Why,... because the same corporate fucks will be making money from the nuclear power plants. ::)
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you would think after 200 threads on the subject and God knows how many posts, he would have made his point by now.
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That is the whole point of a message forum. If you do not like what he posts about stay out of the threads. Either that or shoot yourself in the face with a flame thrower.
Hope this helps "mighty mouse" lol.
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Any ideas on this Brixton?
I'm not a welder... so not really.
Other than these are all points that conspiracy theorists rant about. I have no real experience with any of this but I don't put a conspiracy beyond the realm of possibility.
Like .0001/100,000,000 odds.. but possible.
Is this somehow supposed to prove you're conservative and FNC is so bad? Try harder.
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I'm not a welder... so not really.
Other than these are all points that conspiracy theorists rant about. I have no real experience with any of this but I don't put a conspiracy beyond the realm of possibility.
Like .0001/100,000,000 odds.. but possible.
Good answer. ;D
Is this somehow supposed to prove you're conservative and FNC is so bad? Try harder.
What the hell are you talking about??? This thread was about 9/11. I posted those questions before you even called me a liberal. Are you bipolar?
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Good answer. ;D
What the hell are you talking about??? This thread was about 9/11. I posted those questions before you even called me a liberal. Are you bipolar?
You're right it was about 911.
But then you started talking shit about FNC which had nothing to do with what-the-fuck you were talking about and that's where I took issue.
Say all you want about 911 as so much is still in the air. But don't hate on FNC just cause you're a closet liberal and hate what it stands for.
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Gore calls out Bush on 9/11
Wednesday, November 29, 2006
He's seemingly still sticking to the patsy plotline, but getting more bold, flirting with a LIHOP position. Sen. Albert Gore, Jr. as interviewed by Gentleman's Quarterly :
"Okay, on to 9-11. What were you really feeling? Was there a part of you that felt a sense of relief that you weren’t in charge that day?
You mean a sense of relief that I didn’t have to deal with it? Oh no. Not at all. Not for one second. Not for one second. Why would I? I mean, well first of all, it just didn’t occur to me to feel anything like that. What did occur to me was to feel what every American felt, the outrage and anger and righteous anger, and support for the President at a time of danger… And, honestly, I was focused on the reality of the situation. And I wasn't president, so, you know, it wasn’t about me. Now, I do wish, now that we have some distance from the events, and we have all this knowledge about what this administration did do, I certainly feel that I wish that it had been handled differently, and I do wish that I had somehow been able to prevent some of the catastrophic mistakes that were made.
Do you feel that we would be safer today if you had been president on that day?
Well, no one can say that the 9-11 attack wouldn’t have occurred whoever was president.
Really? How about all the warnings?
That's a separate question. And it’s almost too easy to say, "I would have heeded the warnings." In fact, I think I would have, I know I would have. We had several instances when the CIA’s alarm bells went off, and what we did when that happened was, we had emergency meetings and called everybody together and made sure that all systems were go and every agency was hitting on all cylinders, and we made them bring more information, and go into the second and third and fourth level of detail. And made suggestions on how we could respond in a more coordinated, more effective way. It is inconceivable to me that Bush would read a warning as stark and as clear [voice angry now] as the one he received on August 6th of 2001, and, according to some of the new histories, he turned to the briefer and said, "Well, you’ve covered your ass." And never called a follow up meeting. Never made an inquiry. Never asked a single question. To this day, I don't understand it. And, I think it’s fair to say that he personally does in fact bear a measure of blame for not doing his job at a time when we really needed him to do his job. And now the Woodward book has this episode that has been confirmed by the record that George Tenet, who was much abused by this administration, went over to the White House for the purpose of calling an emergency meeting and warning as clearly as possible about the extremely dangerous situation with Osama bin Laden, and was brushed off! And I don’t know why—honestly—I mean, I understand how horrible this Congressman Foley situation with the instant messaging is, okay? I understand that. But, why didn't these kinds of things produce a similar outrage? And you know, I'm even reluctant to talk about it in these terms because it's so easy for people to hear this or read this as sort of cheap political game-playing. I understand how it could sound that way. [Practically screaming now] But dammit, whatever happened to the concept of accountability for catastrophic failure? This administration has been by far the most incompetent, inept, and with more moral cowardice, and obsequiousness to their wealthy contributors, and obliviousness to the public interest of any administration in modern history, and probably in the entire history of the country!
Note to reader: When Gore runs for President in 2008, you will hear more of this.
This is the first time a top Dem has specifically called Bush out for the Aug 6 warning. Bush knew, folks.
LOL...this coming from a guy who claims he invented the internet!
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You're right it was about 911.
But then you started talking shit about FNC which had nothing to do with what-the-f**k you were talking about and that's where I took issue.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAH AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!
Someone please!!! Tell me where I said anything bad about Fox News in this thread!!! PLEASE!!!!!
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Never, he questions the Patriotism of people who blindly watch one news channel and believe only what the Government tells them is right.
Ahem
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Note to reader: When Gore runs for President in 2008, you will hear more of this.
This is the first time a top Dem has specifically called Bush out for the Aug 6 warning. Bush knew, folks.
Maybe Kerry can be his running mate again!
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Ahem
I said something about Fox News? Dude you are so full of shit! :D
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Never, he questions the Patriotism of people who blindly watch one news channel and believe only what the Government tells them is right.
Not true.
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Not true.
Would you please take the time to copy and paste the link to a thread where he made fun of someone for disagreeing?
Thank you,
Ben :)
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LOL...this coming from a guy who claims he invented the internet!
shut the fuck you you stupid homo girl retard dipshit loser of son of a bitch... I can comfortably say this knowing full well you won't or can't actually read this ;D
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Maybe Kerry can be his running mate again!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=109561.msg1581344#msg1581344 ;D
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shut the f**k you you stupid homo pussy retard dipshit loser of son of a bitch... I can comfortably say this knowing full well you won't or can't actually read this ;D
Haha...I read it!
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Would you please take the time to copy and paste the link to a thread where he made fun of someone for disagreeing?
Thank you,
Ben :)
No. Not wasting my time. You can check in your spare time. :)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=109561.msg1581344#msg1581344 ;D
;D
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No. Not wasting my time. You can check in your spare time. :)
I wouldn't even know where to look. LOL Honestly.
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shut the f**k you you stupid homo pussy retard dipshit loser of son of a bitch... I can comfortably say this knowing full well you won't or can't actually read this ;D
I like Lewis Black, he might be a Liberal but he's funny :D!!
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I said something about Fox News? Dude you are so full of shit! :D
Oh whatever did you mean then? C'mon.. it's not like it's not obvious.
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I wouldn't even know where to look. LOL Honestly.
No biggie. Not something either one of us should really spend time on anyway. :)
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Oh whatever did you mean then? C'mon.. it's not like it's not obvious.
I said watching one news channel. You know theres people that turn the TV on and only check there usual channel. In my opinion you're not getting a balanced diet of news if your getting it from one cable news channel (CNN, or MSNBC, or FOX or any other single source). You got to check all over before you make up your mind.
You call me liberal cause I like to make sure I'm properly informed?
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I said watching one news channel. You know theres people that turn the TV on and only check there usual channel. In my opinion you're not getting a balanced diet of news if your getting it from one cable news channel (CNN, or MSNBC, or FOX or any other single source). You got to check all over before you make up your mind.
You call me liberal cause I like to make sure I'm properly informed?
It was obvious WHICH channel you inferred by that statement but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Needless to say, you certainly portray yourself as a liberal (or a CT clown) by supporting 240, questioning to a great extent the history behind 911, and assuming conservatives just "believe" whatever the gov't tells them.
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It was obvious WHICH channel you inferred by that statement but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Needless to say, you certainly portray yourself as a liberal (or a CT clown) by supporting 240, questioning to a great extent the history behind 911, and assuming conservatives just "believe" whatever the gov't tells them.
Man, you love to make assumptions. I never put down Conservatives. You can be a Conservative and still do the Patriotic thing which is to keep your government in check.
You couldn't answer any of my questions about 9/11 and you still act like it's Liberal to question the official story.
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I like Lewis Black, he might be a Liberal but he's funny :D!!
see... I knew it... ::)
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LOL...this coming from a guy who claims he invented the internet!
Actually Gore never said that but Bush did say the Gore said it and then the lie was perpetuated - fast foward to today and credulous people believe the lie and repeat it without ever taking the time to learn the facts
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm
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Actually Gore never said that but Bush did say the Gore said it and then the lie was perpetuated - fast foward to today and credulous people believe the lie and repeat it without ever taking the time to learn the facts
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm
save your breath, Intensfucktard can't read.
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benfun7,
You asked brixton a few really good questions.
he answered by changing the subject.
Why won't he answer them?
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I have no real experience with any of this but I don't put a conspiracy beyond the realm of possibility.
Like .0001/100,000,000 odds.. but possible.
He basically answered by saying he doesn't know much about it. Yet he defends one of the many different fishy official stories, and he jumps on his fellow citizens for questioning it.
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He basically answered by saying he doesn't know much about it. Yet he defends one of the many different fishy official stories, and he jumps on his fellow citizens for questioning it.
I have always wondered why people do that. If they don't understand the concept, either don't answer, or go do some research and come up with answers.
But when they (and they do this on a daily basis) will call you horrible names, when they don't even know the evidence they're attacking... LOL
Well, it shows how scared they really are. I bet their world would come crashing down bigtime if the Santa Claus they've been mailing letters to all these years ends up being mom and dad...
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If you want to blame someone for 911 blame the airport security who didnt notice 4+ passenger with boxcutters (::)) on 4 flights, blame the security at WTC 2 who told people to return to their offices only to get killed by the second plane strike, blame the air traffic controllers of NORAD and the FAA who couldnt keep track of which planes were hijacked and where they were headed, blame the higher ups who couldnt coordinate the scramble of planes in a timely fashion, blame the military exercises that day which reduced the available air defence systems, blame whoever planted the explosives that took down building 7, blame the FBI managers who stiffled the investigation of both hijackers and Bin Ladens, blame whoever let those motherfucekrs out of the country alive, blame the FBI agents who knew an attack was coming and didnt clip those towlies themselves, blame the chief of the Pakistani ISI who funded Mohammad Atta and was in Washington on that day, blame the complicity of you and your average American for a) necessitating an event like 911 to do what needs to be done by being such liberal pussies b) necessitating an event like 911 by creating an economy centered around a soon to be scarce resource, blame the many documented instances of kids who mentioned 911 in their schools before it happened... Bush is a useful idiot
fart
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If you want to blame someone for 911 blame the airport security who didnt notice 4+ passenger with boxcutters (::)) on 4 flights, blame the security at WTC 2 who told people to return to their offices only to get killed by the second plane strike, blame the air traffic controllers of NORAD and the FAA who couldnt keep track of which planes were hijacked and where they were headed, blame the higher ups who couldnt coordinate the scramble of planes in a timely fashion, blame the military exercises that day which reduced the available air defence systems, blame whoever planted the explosives that took down building 7, blame the FBI managers who stiffled the investigation of both hijackers and Bin Ladens, blame whoever let those motherfucekrs out of the country alive, blame the FBI agents who knew an attack was coming and didnt clip those towlies themselves, blame the chief of the Pakistani ISI who funded Mohammad Atta and was in Washington on that day, blame the complicity of you and your average American for a) necessitating an event like 911 to do what needs to be done by being such liberal pussies b) necessitating an event like 911 by creating an economy centered around a soon to be scarce resource, blame the many documented instances of kids who mentioned 911 in their schools before it happened... Bush is a useful idiot
fart
wow. impressive colllection of points. I'm sure alGebra, beach bum, and brixton are looking in the Bible for their answers now.
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blame the complicity of you and your average American for a) necessitating an event like 911 to do what needs to be done by being such liberal pussies b) necessitating an event like 911 by creating an economy centered around a soon to be scarce resource, blame the many documented instances of kids who mentioned 911 in their schools before it happened... Bush is a useful idiot
I'm with you on like 99.97% of this but how did the "liberal pussies" create this economy? I'm assuming that you're talking about the petrol economy. If I'm wrong please explain exactly what you mean.
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blame whoever let those motherfucekrs out of the country alive
Funny that they'll torture Canadian programmers in Syria for 9 months based on an anonymous tip... but they let the bin laden clan and 160 of their closest friends slip out of the country on 9/13 without even asking them a single question.
Is this odd to anyone? lol...
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If you want to blame someone for 911 blame the airport security who didnt notice 4+ passenger with boxcutters (::)) on 4 flights, blame the security at WTC 2 who told people to return to their offices only to get killed by the second plane strike, blame the air traffic controllers of NORAD and the FAA who couldnt keep track of which planes were hijacked and where they were headed, blame the higher ups who couldnt coordinate the scramble of planes in a timely fashion, blame the military exercises that day which reduced the available air defence systems, blame whoever planted the explosives that took down building 7, blame the FBI managers who stiffled the investigation of both hijackers and Bin Ladens, blame whoever let those motherfucekrs out of the country alive, blame the FBI agents who knew an attack was coming and didnt clip those towlies themselves, blame the chief of the Pakistani ISI who funded Mohammad Atta and was in Washington on that day, blame the complicity of you and your average American for a) necessitating an event like 911 to do what needs to be done by being such liberal pussies b) necessitating an event like 911 by creating an economy centered around a soon to be scarce resource, blame the many documented instances of kids who mentioned 911 in their schools before it happened... Bush is a useful idiot
Waiting for a response from the usual blind people who will attack something they dont understand. Please answer.
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i agree with some of that. nobody expected an attack like that, and too many people were 'asleep' before 911. but that doesnt make it an inside job
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gore says bush let 9/11 happen, great. what does that have to do with moronic conspiracy theories?
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Honestly, I would love to believe that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists from another Country, but think about it....
The government gives us 3 different explanations of why WTC7 fell, lets see.... When a criminal thats being interrogated gives more then one answer to the same question we at least find it suspicious.
Firemen, Police, and Reporters all saying there were explosions going off as the tower was burning.
Seismic data showing explosions.
The building coming down at free fall speed, please please tell me how that happend? That rules out the official pancake theory on why the towers fell.
Steel that remained Molten under the towers for 3 weeks. Jet fuel can't melt steel? Right? Hell! I know it can't I'm a welder LOL
Thats just scratching the surface.
So without making fun, explain any of that, PLEASE. It's all fact. Theres no reason to make this stuff up. Even though I was to young to vote when Bush first ran I was a big supperter. I come from a Republican family, not sheeple though.
Anyone else have any thoughts on this^^?
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ive answered these a million times, but they keep popping up because ct's dont want to know the answers. when someone does answers these questions they just blow it off so whats the point?
you cant make up questions without your own facts. where are these fireman and policeman and reporters?
where is this melted steel? if there was and jet fuel cant melt it, then please explain how explosives can.
where is the seismic data? because i know for a fact there isnt any
so go ahead and show us the evidence to these questions. otherwise your just making shit up
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Funny that they'll torture Canadian programmers in Syria for 9 months based on an anonymous tip... but they let the bin laden clan and 160 of their closest friends slip out of the country on 9/13 without even asking them a single question.
Is this odd to anyone? lol...
Canadians are assholes >:(
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Anyone else have any thoughts on this^^?
The answer is 95% of the population isnt ready to give you anything other than a knee jerk reaction. But these same 95% have no concept of the underlying issues at hand.
How about adding a few statements on the fincancial situation of the WTC: They had been trying to demolish it for years but were unable as it was full of aesbestos and they would have had to pay a ridiculous (read about a billion $) amount of money to get the aesbestos removed before they could take it down. With the advent of the internet the occupancy rates in the building were falling and gettign worse so it was a huge money loser for the Port Authority.
I would love to get my hands on the WTC financial statements for the years prior to the collapse and analyze the cash flows, I would love to see how they wrote off the destruction of the towers in 2001. Not to imply that taking these building down was the be all and end all goal of this operation, but it certainly made life alot easier for Larry Silverstein, who had specifically negotiated his lease (which began in July 2001) to include the right to redevelop :)
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you cant make up questions without your own facts. where are these fireman and policeman and reporters?
where is this melted steel? if there was and jet fuel cant melt it, then please explain how explosives can.
where is the seismic data? because i know for a fact there isnt any
dude.
i can show you a dozen firefighter videos. Google 'naudet brothers'.
explosives can get 1000 degrees hotter than jet fuel can. google 'melting point steel 911' for more.
seismic data - i can share a lot on this one too.
You're speaking very authoritavely on three points in which you are wrong, wrong, and very wrong. This is irresponsible. I mean, the melting point comment, that was just dumb.
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where is this melted steel? if there was and jet fuel cant melt it, then please explain how explosives can.
i got breakfast and came back and i had to laugh. Jet fuel cannot attain the temperatures hot enough to melt steel. Explosives certainly can. There were 50-foot deep pools of molten steel at WTC 1, 2, 7 for weeks after 9/11. This is IMPOSSIBLE with jet fuel alone. It is a smoking gun of 9/11. Please check it out.
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Honestly, I would love to believe that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists from another Country, but think about it....
The government gives us 3 different explanations of why WTC7 fell, lets see.... When a criminal thats being interrogated gives more then one answer to the same question we at least find it suspicious.
Firemen, Police, and Reporters all saying there were explosions going off as the tower was burning.
Seismic data showing explosions.
The building coming down at free fall speed, please please tell me how that happend? That rules out the official pancake theory on why the towers fell.
Steel that remained Molten under the towers for 3 weeks. Jet fuel can't melt steel? Right? Hell! I know it can't I'm a welder LOL
Thats just scratching the surface.
So without making fun, explain any of that, PLEASE. It's all fact. Theres no reason to make this stuff up. Even though I was to young to vote when Bush first ran I was a big supperter. I come from a Republican family, not sheeple though.
Actually the government hasn't given any official reason why WTC 7 fell because they are still working on the report.
But since you have completed so much research you knew that. ::)
There is even an update to what they have learned so far.
But then the scientist are probably lying. ::)
http://wtc.nist.gov (http://wtc.nist.gov)
i got breakfast and came back and i had to laugh. Jet fuel cannot attain the temperatures hot enough to melt steel. Explosives certainly can. There were 50-foot deep pools of molten steel at WTC 1, 2, 7 for weeks after 9/11. This is IMPOSSIBLE with jet fuel alone. It is a smoking gun of 9/11. Please check it out.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)
13. Why did the NIST investigation not consider reports of molten steel in the wreckage
from the WTC towers?
NIST investigators and experts from the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEONY)—who inspected the WTC steel at the WTC site and the salvage yards—found no evidence that would support the melting of steel in a jet-fuel ignited fire in the towers prior to collapse. The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing.
NIST considered the damage to the steel structure and its fireproofing caused by the aircraft impact and the subsequent fires when the buildings were still standing since that damage was responsible for initiating the collapse of the WTC towers.
Under certain circumstances it is conceivable for some of the steel in the wreckage to have melted after the buildings collapsed. Any molten steel in the wreckage was more likely due to the high temperature resulting from long exposure to combustion within the pile than to short exposure to fires or explosions while the buildings were standing
Your group of conspiracy theorists ignore the fact that the best minds in structures and engineering have an explanation. instead you rely on advice of laymen to make up your opinion.
I find it funny because you must be licensed to practice engineering and can get sued and or lose your license if you are negligent or commit a criminal act.
Your laymen face no such problems when they give out their opinions because they aren't experts.
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"more likely?
surely NIST can come up with some absolutes. They absolutely know why WTC1/2 fell, but it's been 63 months and no word on WTC7? Can we get a timetable for it? LOL... those fucks know why it fell, and only a moron can look at that collapse and not know controlled demo. PLease show me one building in HISTORy where the concrete has pulverized in under 10 seconds from fire. You can't. They admit no plane wreckage hit it - that only fire brought it down. Jeez, joker. You write such detailed responses but you put so much value into a report that went thru the same white house censors that forged the EPA report.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+new&hl=en
Everyone, look at this 10 secone video clip. here you see world trade 7 being destroyed in a controlled demolition. Look at the entire concrete content of this building being converted to dust instantly. know that a pool of molten steel was found underneath it which burned for weeks - maintaining temperatures WAY hotter than any office fire, the alleged reason it fell.
Seriously, it completely baffles me, how any human being could look at this and say "I think small fires could do this to a building for the first time in history today". LOOK AT IT.
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"more likely?
surely NIST can come up with some absolutes. They absolutely know why WTC1/2 fell, but it's been 63 months and no word on WTC7? Can we get a timetable for it? LOL... those fucks know why it fell, and only a moron can look at that collapse and not know controlled demo. PLease show me one building in HISTORy where the concrete has pulverized in under 10 seconds from fire. You can't. They admit no plane wreckage hit it - that only fire brought it down. Jeez, joker. You write such detailed responses but you put so much value into a report that went thru the same white house censors that forged the EPA report.
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTC7_Approach_Summary12Oct06.pdf (http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTC7_Approach_Summary12Oct06.pdf)
As I have told you many times it is the scientists that I listen to. All the major group in the scientific world think that the report is accurate based on their scrutiny.
The CTer's do not put their information up for public scrutiny and as the editors of loose change say, keep inaccuracies so people will perform their own investigation. ::)
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You sheep. NIST is a tool of the White House, just as the EPA was. White house edited the EPA report, and their scientists blew the whistle.
God, it's like you'd rather let academia argue about it, and just "wait and see" while the political agendas gained by the false attacks are being carried out.
I don't blame you. You're canadian and you have no dog in this fight. For you it's just something that happened elsewhere, and you're not affected. For you it's a web argument much like squats vs. leg press or white vs. wheat. For those of us who love our country though, the sham of an investigation only served to furher demonstrate the shady day it was.
You keep on reading the NIST report, created for the White house, by a govt body funded by the white house, edited by the white house, released by the white house, which clears the white house of any involvement. If you don't see the potential for abuses, you're quite gullible.
LOOK AT WTC7. you don't need to be a structural engineer to know that NO BUILDING IN HISTORY HAS EVERY DONE THIS FROM FIRE. And their inability to explain it after 5 years says a lot too.
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You sheep. NIST is a tool of the White House, just as the EPA was. White house edited the EPA report, and their scientists blew the whistle.
God, it's like you'd rather let academia argue about it, and just "wait and see" while the political agendas gained by the false attacks are being carried out.
I don't blame you. You're canadian and you have no dog in this fight. For you it's just something that happened elsewhere, and you're not affected. For you it's a web argument much like squats vs. leg press or white vs. wheat. For those of us who love our country though, the sham of an investigation only served to furher demonstrate the shady day it was.
You keep on reading the NIST report, created for the White house, by a govt body funded by the white house, edited by the white house, released by the white house, which clears the white house of any involvement. If you don't see the potential for abuses, you're quite gullible.
LOOK AT WTC7. you don't need to be a structural engineer to know that NO BUILDING IN HISTORY HAS EVERY DONE THIS FROM FIRE. And their inability to explain it after 5 years says a lot too.
The scientist that wrote the NIST reports would blow the whistle as well. So would any scientist that was researching this that found factual errors. They are legally bound to.
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First Canadians died during the Tower collapse.
Second Canada also has 2500 soldiers in Afghanistan and we have had had the second most causalities because our soldiers are in a Pashtun/Taliban stronghold.
So our interests might not be as strong as America, but we are there.
In Canada the biggest complaint is that America should have finished stabilizing Afghanistan before they removed the bulk of their troops. Also NATO isn't pulling its weight only America, Canada, Britain and the Netherlands are in the Far south where there is actual fighting.
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dude.
i can show you a dozen firefighter videos. Google 'naudet brothers'.
explosives can get 1000 degrees hotter than jet fuel can. google 'melting point steel 911' for more.
seismic data - i can share a lot on this one too.
You're speaking very authoritavely on three points in which you are wrong, wrong, and very wrong. This is irresponsible. I mean, the melting point comment, that was just dumb.
Isn't this kh300 clown the dude that spouted off about the war in Iraq as if he actually went over there and fought in the war? And then it turned out he was over there working for a private company and one of the posters here that actually was a soldier over there fighting schooled his sorry ass for being a poser?
If this is the same guy you might not want to take anything he says too seriously.
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Isn't this kh300 clown the dude that spouted off about the war in Iraq as if he actually went over there and fought in the war? And then it turned out he was over there working for a private company and one of the posters here that actually was a soldier over there fighting schooled his sorry ass for being a poser?
If this is the same guy you might not want to take anything he says too seriously.
i never once said i fought in iraq, i said i was there. i helped train iraqi soldiers which wasnt exactly the safest job. and the soldier can say whatever he wants but the more of the iraqis we train the sooner our guys get home.
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you cant make up questions without your own facts. where are these fireman and policeman and reporters?
where is this melted steel? if there was and jet fuel cant melt it, then please explain how explosives can.
where is the seismic data? because i know for a fact there isnt any
dude.
i can show you a dozen firefighter videos. Google 'naudet brothers'.
explosives can get 1000 degrees hotter than jet fuel can. google 'melting point steel 911' for more.
seismic data - i can share a lot on this one too.
You're speaking very authoritavely on three points in which you are wrong, wrong, and very wrong. This is irresponsible. I mean, the melting point comment, that was just dumb.
kh,
you're not gonna respond to my points, are ya? ;)
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The scientist that wrote the NIST reports would blow the whistle as well. So would any scientist that was researching this that found factual errors. They are legally bound to.
You're all theory and nothing real life.
"Any scientist" would risk his career by blowing the whistle? What dream world do you live in? Kevin Ryan of UL came forward about just the melting point of steel his company approved, and his name has been dragged thru the mud, he was fired, and he was mocked in the press. NIST guys saw this.
You live in a world which is all theory. "Legally bound to come foward?" Nope. Ethically. And when you have kids to feed and your boss looks the other way, they will too. Geez, your ability to assume the altruistic best in people is naive. The EPA guys only came fwd because they knew people were going to DIE as a result of the "all clear" being wrongly given by Bush in THEIR report. And they were mocked for it. Plus - you do know that Bush changed all the federal whistleblower laws to reduce whistleblower rights right before 9/11, don't you?
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I have mixed feling about the person who supposedly said he invented the internet that shouldn't still be online in the year two thousand tricks. The internet was more useful in the yesteryears when there wasn't all this FUTURE TALK.
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I don't like Gore. But to say he's not very well abreast of political issues would be very naive. The man witnessed Clinton's Presidency firsthand and knows very well the very bad thing that all governments do, foreign and our own. He knows his shit.
Remember that right after 9/11, several people who were also abreast of foreign intelligence went on tv and said "Bush knew 911 was coming" due to the German ambassador and other reports, giving VERY good deatils about the attack. They were fucking destroyed in the press for being unpatriotic. Which is odd - isn't protecting the lives of Americans MORE PATRIOTIC than protecting any leader who lets them die?
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dude.
i can show you a dozen firefighter videos. Google 'naudet brothers'.
explosives can get 1000 degrees hotter than jet fuel can. google 'melting point steel 911' for more.
seismic data - i can share a lot on this one too.
You're speaking very authoritavely on three points in which you are wrong, wrong, and very wrong. This is irresponsible. I mean, the melting point comment, that was just dumb.
kh,
you're not gonna respond to my points, are ya? ;)
Your not an authority 240.
You are a laymen basing facts on observations.
Get a technical degree with some letters behind your name.
It is way easier arguing with videos because you can whitewash the fact that you aren't an expert and you don't have to supply the technical background.
Collapsing buildings is science. An investigation into collapsing building must be based in science. Observations although helpful are meaningless without the technical background.
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joker,
He said there were no firefighrter statements - he was dead wrong, easily provable by video.
he said jet fuel and explosives burn at same temp - dead fucking wrong.
he said there was no seismic data - also wrong.
no offense, but you're backing a dog here. you should stick to your altruistic beliefs that all people would admit their involvement and all scientsist would come forward because it's the right thing to do. It's incredible naive, but shit, kh300 doesn't know simple things like steel's melting point. For you to defend him puts you in his 'dumbass' boat.
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joker,
the big conflict here is that you see 911 as an academic study, i see it as a crime.
you have said scientists should discuss the metal results for TEN YEARS before the FBI even looks at it. To me, this is just stupid. It essentially lets the guilty go. I know you like science, you like warm reports that make you feel better, and you have no idea at all that PEOPLE WILL LIE WHEN THREATENED OR PAID.
You want a university discussion, i want a criminal investigation.
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where are the fireman? any video can be takin out of context. there was that video floating around where you could obviously hear a massive explosion, but it turned out to be the 2nd plane hitting the tower. so where are these fireman today? or are they being blackmailed?
where is the sesmic data?
240 explain to me how an explosive can melt steel for 3 weeks as you claim.
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joker,
He said there were no firefighrter statements - he was dead wrong, easily provable by video.
he said jet fuel and explosives burn at same temp - dead fucking wrong.
he said there was no seismic data - also wrong.
no offense, but you're backing a dog here. you should stick to your altruistic beliefs that all people would admit their involvement and all scientsist would come forward because it's the right thing to do. It's incredible naive, but shit, kh300 doesn't know simple things like steel's melting point. For you to defend him puts you in his 'dumbass' boat.
I like that boat.
Your right on these three.
It still doesn't prove a conspiracy.
Actually it helps prove how the buildings collapsed and NIST used these forms of Data to back up their claims.
Sure there were Firefighters that said they heard things that sounded like explosions, but there were many more that didn't.
The melting point of steel was used to find out how long it would take before the beams would fail and the sciesmic data set an accurate time for the building collapse.
All of these proofs required science.
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i never once said i fought in iraq, i said i was there. i helped train iraqi soldiers which wasnt exactly the safest job. and the soldier can say whatever he wants but the more of the iraqis we train the sooner our guys get home.
You clearly intimated that you were over there fighting in the war until that soldier humiliated you.
And I'd love to hear your opinion on who's more believable, a soldier that actually fought in the war or someone that intimated they fought but never actually did?
In that situation I trust what the soldier says.
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where are the fireman? any video can be takin out of context. there was that video floating around where you could obviously hear a massive explosion, but it turned out to be the 2nd plane hitting the tower. so where are these fireman today? or are they being blackmailed?
where is the sesmic data?
240 explain to me how an explosive can melt steel for 3 weeks as you claim.
Sorry dude, I've posted this shit a million times. Google naudet brother LIKE I SAID and their documentary has quite a few interviews.
Google the LDEO seismic data.
And as far as the steel - Steel melts at around 1370 degrees Celcius.
Combustible jet fuel burns at a maximum temperature of around 800 degrees Celcius.
Explosives (thermite) burn at 2500 degrees Celcius.
JET FUEL CANNOT SCIENTIFICALLY MELT STEEL - YET WE SOMEHOW HAVE TONS ANS ONS OF MOLTEN STEEL
here you can find verification of the firefighters' accounts, molten steel, much more.
http://peoplefor911justice.com/forum/?action=view_topic&id=488&fid=10
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I don't like Gore. But to say he's not very well abreast of political issues would be very naive. The man witnessed Clinton's Presidency firsthand and knows very well the very bad thing that all governments do, foreign and our own. He knows his shit.
Remember that right after 9/11, several people who were also abreast of foreign intelligence went on tv and said "Bush knew 911 was coming" due to the German ambassador and other reports, giving VERY good deatils about the attack. They were fucking destroyed in the press for being unpatriotic. Which is odd - isn't protecting the lives of Americans MORE PATRIOTIC than protecting any leader who lets them die?
I think he did reluctantly witness Bill Clownton's presidency since the stories of his then secret relationship with that college girl are still hard to believe :-\
I wish more people reminded themselves as to what it was like right after 9/11 in the first few months because all these re-cycled calendar years are so ostentatious that they are a waste of war time in the post2000 era.
I don't know what is MORE PATRIOTIC or LESS PATRIOTIC since the first September 11th. That is why I stopped being a republican, but I'm definitely never becoming a democrat :(
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joker, thanks. I absolutel do not want to prove a conspiracy. I simply want to show enough doubt exists on the official story that we should initiate a second investigation.
The more people who know about it - the more people who see the oddities ("wait, how did we get all that molten steel when jet fuel can't get hot enough to melt steel?"), the more likely they are going to be, to vote for someone who wants a second investigation.
My goal is a second 911 commission, one that is truly independent (9 of the first 10 had worked for bush 1 in the pvt sector at one time or another LOL!)
If they would just address the questions the families had, test the damn metal for explosive residue, and ask NORAD why they lied about their actions that day, we'd be closer to the truth. We can research a bulldozed building for decades, but you put one liar from NORAD on the stand, make him accountable for his lies, and offer jail or leniency, and you might learn more in one afternoon than you would in 30 years of debates.
ReOpen 911. Investigate it. We don't have to convict anyone here - my only goal is showing reasonable doubt on the official story- and I think even the most ardent bush supporter will say "yeah there are holes and some oddities". If bush didn't know and didn't do it, he shouldn't have a damn thing to worry about. If NORAD didn't LET the planes hit, then they have nothing to fear.
But this lying - changing stories, classifying everything - that is some bullshit. And I love my country too much to let her turn into garbage because people are too afraid to question bullshit when it's fed to them. reOpen 911. That's it.
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Wow... I leave for one night and all you liberal morons come out of the woodwork.
240... I don't look in the bible for answers to anything cause I don't believe in it. Nor do I look to left wing sources such as the ones I mentioned earlier in this thread (and where you've gotten most of your "Bush caused 911" Bullshit).
But I also don't go after every point in a CT website. We never landed on the moon, remember? HAHA... and you call us sheep.
You pretend to be objective but it's obvious you try too hard to come up with bullshit just because you don't WANT to believe any even close to an "official" story.
Good show... but you'd better served to go protest something somewhere.