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Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter
The vote passes. TRT is now banned in Nevada. And not just applications, but includes users currently on it, effective immediately.
Dana White
"It's a great day in the sport! I applaud NSAC. TRT needed to go away."
UFC 173 in Las Vegas,
Weidman vs Belfort.........good luck Vitor ;D
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Bwhahaha there goes Vitors Jesus juice.
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bunch of uneducated morons making the rules in Nevada.
NSAC better take a good look at what made fighting profitable and exciting in Pride/Japan.
nobody wants to see a bunch of skinny 170lb natural kids fighting for 2yrs before their bodies break down.
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Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter
The vote passes. TRT is now banned in Nevada. And not just applications, but includes users currently on it, effective immediately.
Dana White
"It's a great day in the sport! I applaud NSAC. TRT needed to go away."
UFC 173 in Las Vegas,
Weidman vs Belfort.........good luck Vitor ;D
Isn't Nevada the home of most supplement companies, and all of their lobbying arms?
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I'm guessing Vitors training camp will be held in Brazil.
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It doesn't matter. These guys are going to still pass drug tests-the only way curb PED use currently would be to use year round random carbon isotope ratio testing.
But at least it's a step in the right direction. Now they need to get rid of the ridiculous 6:1 T/E ratio fighters are allowed. A fighter can still take 500 to 600 mg of test a week and still pass a drug test in Nevada.
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If testosterone was all it took to kick ass, pro bodybuilders could dominate the UFC.
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prime ronnie coleman would crush royce gracie's head like a coke can
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there goes "Rowdy" Ronda Rousey career in Las Vegas
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there goes "Rowdy" Ronda Rousey career in Las Vegas
Don't get it confused with ending steroid use. This only affects about 5 current UFC fighters.
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They will still use the T-Pellets implanted under the skin... no one will ever test positive.
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At least Vitor will make weight much easier now ;)
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They will still use the T-Pellets implanted under the skin... no one will ever test positive.
CIR testing detects it. It's how boxer Lamont Peterson tested positive using pellets.
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So they are banning a medical condition. ????????
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Gay. These guys are much more fun to watch when theyre juiced up... wtf is Dana applauding this for anyway? Youd think it would have the possibility of fucking up some of his prize fighters...
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So they are banning a medical condition. ????????
No. You can fight with low test if you want.
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St. Pierre never coming back...
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Lol, you guys are acting like drug use in the UFC has been abolished.
5 guys are effected. That's it.
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Does that mean Rogan has to go off? ;D
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No. You can fight with low test if you want.
well you get TRY prescribed by a doctor be a of a medical condition. So like if you are diabetic..you cant take insulin cause they ban insulin? You gotta fight without your medication?
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well you get TRY prescribed by a doctor be a of a medical condition. So like if you are diabetic..you cant take insulin cause they ban insulin? You gotta fight without your medication?
Diaz has a medical exemption to use pot, he was still banned twice for testing positive.
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It's all PR shit.
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well you get TRY prescribed by a doctor be a of a medical condition. So like if you are diabetic..you cant take insulin cause they ban insulin? You gotta fight without your medication?
Insulin? You're comparing diabetes to PED use? Lol, sure dude.
It's simple: do what the old timers did when their test got low. Retire.
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Insulin? You're comparing diabetes to PED use? Lol, sure dude.
It's simple: do what the old timers did when their test got low. Retire.
diabetes as in your body doesn't produce a certain hormone?
what about fighters with depression and issues with dopamine, and using dopamine-reuptake-inhibitors like Welbutrin? Welbutrin can be used as a stimulant... are they not allowed that?
not allowing trt is fucking retarded.
we have long established guidelines for what is considered 'normal' in terms of testosterone levels, as long as it's prescribed and your levels are within what's considered 'normal', even if it's 900... who the fuck is the NSAC to say you can't do it?
is there a "normal" level of cannabinoids? fuck no.. so why the fuck would they allow a medial exception for potheads who smoke weed?
and why should they retire? if the only thing holding you back from fighting is your body's ability to recover from training/fighting is excessively low testosterone.. and it doesn't matter one goddamn bit WHY it's low, be it testicular cancer or prior steroid use (steroid use isn't illegal in all countries, mind you, fucking hollier than thou bitches.. and not everybody lives in the US), then why the fuck should a guy NOT use testosterone to remain 'normal'? are women not allowed estrogen/progesterone if they need it?
and don't use the argument that it's a performance enhancer.. because you sure as fuck can't show up and fight DRUNK, and that's definitely not a performance enhancer.
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Won't effect a thing.. They will just taper off and come in under the ratio.. Just like they do now..
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bunch of uneducated morons making the rules in Nevada.
NSAC better take a good look at what made fighting profitable and exciting in Pride/Japan.
nobody wants to see a bunch of skinny 170lb natural kids fighting for 2yrs before their bodies break down.
THIS ^^^
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if what you want to see is 'pure sport & skill' that's been 'unadulterated', you'd better stick to watching teenage boys in a middle school wrestling tourney.
after that, you're doing anything and everything you can that will give you an advantage over your opponent.
when's the last time you saw a guy with high testosterone levels "naturally" stop in the middle of a fight and say "hey... this should be fair, i'll let you punch me in the face a few times so we're even"? fucking never!
it's sport, where money is made and people pay their bills with their bodies and performance.
doesn't matter if you're fighting for $500 in the basement of Club XS on a Saturday night in Tijuana, or $300 in an outdoor NHB fight in Sioux City Iowa, or $7000 in an undercard at a Belatore fight, or a $25000 maincard in a UFC Friday night fight on Facebook.... or whatever, you have the obligation to yourself and your family to do everything you possibly can to have an advantage in the bout.
if you don't, you're a sucker and don't deserve to call yourself a professional..... just change your name to Jamie Varner, paint your toenails, and wear sunglasses in the super-market... because you're a fucking bitch.
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Insulin? You're comparing diabetes to PED use? Lol, sure dude.
It's simple: do what the old timers did when their test got low. Retire.
Lol how true ;D
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diabetes as in your body doesn't produce a certain hormone?
what about fighters with depression and issues with dopamine, and using dopamine-reuptake-inhibitors like Welbutrin? Welbutrin can be used as a stimulant... are they not allowed that?
not allowing trt is fucking retarded.
we have long established guidelines for what is considered 'normal' in terms of testosterone levels, as long as it's prescribed and your levels are within what's considered 'normal', even if it's 900... who the fuck is the NSAC to say you can't do it?
is there a "normal" level of cannabinoids? fuck no.. so why the fuck would they allow a medial exception for potheads who smoke weed?
and why should they retire? if the only thing holding you back from fighting is your body's ability to recover from training/fighting is excessively low testosterone.. and it doesn't matter one goddamn bit WHY it's low, be it testicular cancer or prior steroid use (steroid use isn't illegal in all countries, mind you, fucking hollier than thou bitches.. and not everybody lives in the US), then why the fuck should a guy NOT use testosterone to remain 'normal'? are women not allowed estrogen/progesterone if they need it?
and don't use the argument that it's a performance enhancer.. because you sure as fuck can't show up and fight DRUNK, and that's definitely not a performance enhancer.
Yeah, but the UFC allows testosterone levels far above normal. The ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in the average male is 1:1. The average for athletes is 2:1. The UFC has allowed 6:1.(hardly normal levels).
If you allow everyone to have the SAME testosterone level, it is like every light heavy weight wanting an 84 inch reach just as Jon Jones does. Arm length varies, just as does testosterone levels. And we all KNOW why a healthy athlete would have low testosterone levels the first place, don't we!
The whole idea is to compete with what nature gave you, not create a bunch of clones with identical attributes.
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Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter
The vote passes. TRT is now banned in Nevada. And not just applications, but includes users currently on it, effective immediately.
Dana White
"It's a great day in the sport! I applaud NSAC. TRT needed to go away."
UFC 173 in Las Vegas,
Weidman vs Belfort.........good luck Vitor ;D
TRT or not he is going to take title from Weidman
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Yeah, but the UFC allows testosterone levels far above normal. If you allow everyone to have the SAME testosterone level, it is like every light heavy weight wanting an 84 inch reach just as Jon Jones does. The whole idea is to compete with what nature gave you, not create a bunch of clones with identical attributes.
ufc doesn't have a say in it. it's up to the commission to license and test a fighter.
hormones are fluid things.. they change for a variety of reasons. if your test is low be it from cancer or be it from steroids or be it from old age, and your skills are still adequate and your 'image/name' can still sell tickets, why then wouldn't you use test to be 'normal'?
I'm against drug testing in all forms. I don't care if it's steroids, speed, painkillers, benzo's or booze.. or weed. you're making $50k to fight not based on your skills, because we ALLLLL fucking know that the most skilled fighters don't sell the most tickets, but for your ability to entertain and sell tickets.
Oh? you're a 32nd Deg Blackbelt in BJJ, Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do, and whatever else... and you're a 6 time PanAm champ... AND you're a 11 time Abu Dhabi Combat Club champ?... ohhhh kay.. but you're dull as shit and can't speak English and your interviews suck, so we'll pay you $14k to fight.
Oh... and this guy is a high school wrestling champ... and he's a big, tattooed cocky loudmouth... AND he used to be a pro-wrestler... BUT, he's never fought in a legit full contact fight? eh... so what... we'll pay you $100k to headline a card. sound fair? k.
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ufc doesn't have a say in it. it's up to the commission to license and test a fighter.
hormones are fluid things.. they change for a variety of reasons. if your test is low be it from cancer or be it from steroids or be it from old age, and your skills are still adequate and your 'image/name' can still sell tickets, why then wouldn't you use test to be 'normal'?
I'm against drug testing in all forms. I don't care if it's steroids, speed, painkillers, benzo's or booze.. or weed. you're making $50k to fight not based on your skills, because we ALLLLL fucking know that the most skilled fighters don't sell the most tickets, but for your ability to entertain and sell tickets.
Oh? you're a 32nd Deg Blackbelt in BJJ, Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do, and whatever else... and you're a 6 time PanAm champ... AND you're a 11 time Abu Dhabi Combat Club champ?... ohhhh kay.. but you're dull as shit and can't speak English and your interviews suck, so we'll pay you $14k to fight.
Oh... and this guy is a high school wrestling champ... and he's a big, tattooed cocky loudmouth... AND he used to be a pro-wrestler... BUT, he's never fought in a legit full contact fight? eh... so what... we'll pay you $100k to headline a card. sound fair? k.
why then wouldn't you use test to be 'normal'? Because it's against the rules. I also agree there should be ZERO restrictions on PED's, but while there are rules against the use of PED's, the fighters must abide by them, otherwise you have an unequal playing field, between those who are prepared to play by the rules and those that aren't. And in a sport that you are one punch or kick away from serious injury, it's probably not a good thing for some fighters to have an UN-NATURAL advantage.
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why then wouldn't you use test to be 'normal'? Because it's against the rules. I also agree there should be ZERO restrictions on PED's, but while there are rules against the use of PED's, the fighters must abide by them, otherwise you have an unequal playing field, between those who are prepared to play by the rules and those that aren't. And in a sport that you are one punch or kick away from serious injury, it's probably not a good thing for some fighters to have an UN-NATURAL advantage.
wasn't against the rules until today.
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diabetes as in your body doesn't produce a certain hormone?
what about fighters with depression and issues with dopamine, and using dopamine-reuptake-inhibitors like Welbutrin? Welbutrin can be used as a stimulant... are they not allowed that?
Welbutrin should be banned by WADA but was taken off the banned list for some unknown reason.
not allowing trt is fucking retarded.
No, allowing steroid use in sports is fucking retarded.
we have long established guidelines for what is considered 'normal' in terms of testosterone levels, as long as it's prescribed and your levels are within what's considered 'normal', even if it's 900... who the fuck is the NSAC to say you can't do it?
Who's we? "Normal" levels of testosterone to epi-testosterone are 1 to 1. Fighters in Nevada are allowed a 6-1 ratio(which is insane) and most other states allow a 4-1 ratio. So that's why-as is known, most MMA fighters are already using PED's and tapering down to the 6-1 ratio before fight time. Only the dumb ones get caught.
is there a "normal" level of cannabinoids? fuck no.. so why the fuck would they allow a medial exception for potheads who smoke weed?
I agree. Weed should't be a banned substance. But name one fighter with a weed exemption prescript that has been allowed to test positive. I know of none.
and why should they retire? if the only thing holding you back from fighting is your body's ability to recover from training/fighting is excessively low testosterone.. and it doesn't matter one goddamn bit WHY it's low, be it testicular cancer or prior steroid use (steroid use isn't illegal in all countries, mind you, fucking hollier than thou bitches.. and not everybody lives in the US), then why the fuck should a guy NOT use testosterone to remain 'normal'? are women not allowed estrogen/progesterone if they need it?
Then why not let somebody take the padding out of their boxing gloves if the only thing holding them back is power? This is a fight sport-you play football, you play soccer. You don't play fighting. Taking an elite combat athlete and allowing him to take steroids increasing his power beyond his natural means is a heath risk that involves everybody. Not only is it stupid to allow it. It's downright criminal.
and don't use the argument that it's a performance enhancer.. because you sure as fuck can't show up and fight DRUNK, and that's definitely not a performance enhancer.
That "is" the argument. And by the way-showing up drunk to a fight isn't allowed not because the safety of the drunks opponent is in doubt. It's for the safety of the drunk.
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wasn't against the rules until today.
PED's have always been against the rules. You just aren't allowed to use the loophole now. But for the pro-steroid in sports guy. Don't worry because athletes will and still are using.
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PED's have always been against the rules. You just aren't allowed to use the loophole now. But for the pro-steroid in sports guy. Don't worry because athletes will and still are using.
not a loophole.
it's a medical condition treated with prescribed medication and maintained within 350-900ng/dl.
if you're a grown man and your testosterone is under 350ng you have the absolute RIGHT to hormone replacement therapy the SAME way a WOMAN does with estrogen/progesterone.
for the NSAC to say "nah, you don't have that right" is ignorant as fuck... they're making rules based on public's misconception of what steroids are and what steroid use does... probably based on the same anti-steroid propaganda you've been reading and believing all your life.
we're not talking creating 300lb steroid beasts.... we're talking hormone replacement therapy that brings a fighter.. a man.. within 350-900ng/dl.
get that through your head.
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No need to melt down. I just make a better argument against PED use than you do for.
If you can't figure out why people don't want to see pro athletes competing on steroids that's on you.
Don't watch then.
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No need to melt down. I just make a better argument against PED use than you do for.
If you can't figure out why people don't want to see pro athletes competing on steroids that's on you.
Don't watch then.
we're talking hormone replacement therapy... bringing an athletes testosterone levels into a range that's acceptable as 'normal'... 350-900ng/dl... not 2500ng/dl.
what part of that don't you understand?
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Don't take it personal.
If you can't figure out why people don't want to see pro athletes competing on steroids that's on you.
Don't watch then.
Actually I disagree. Athletes on steroids always are much better to watch like it or not. People want to see the best of the best at their absolute best. Heck baseball was brought out of the gutter by two roided up players. It's obviously a funny parody, but it has a lot of truth in it. People want to see the freaks at their absolute freakiest for lack of a better term.
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UFC: Ultimate Fighting Championship
BREAKING NEWS: Vitor Belfort out of UFC 173. Lyoto Machida is in facing Chris Weidman for the middleweight title.
Story: http://at.ufc.com/qMLj
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we're talking hormone replacement therapy... bringing an athletes testosterone levels into a range that's acceptable as 'normal'... 350-900ng/dl... not 2500ng/dl.
what part of that don't you understand?
What part of steroid use don't you understand?
If you need steroids to compete at the level of fighters not on steroids. Pick another profession.
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UFC: Ultimate Fighting Championship
BREAKING NEWS: Vitor Belfort out of UFC 173. Lyoto Machida is in facing Chris Weidman for the middleweight title.
Story: http://at.ufc.com/qMLj
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great... now we get to way Lyoto run backwards and flail his arms like a bitch when he gets caught with a straight right and left hook.
dude fights like a bitch and looks like a bitch everytime he gets knocked out... worse than chuck's KO's.
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What part of steroid use don't you understand?
If you need steroids to compete at the level of fighters not on steroids. Pick another profession.
Unfortunately, most if not all the top guys use them or have used them. It basically has become a game of who can beat the testing. A few lose and get caught, but most don't. They just make too much of a difference at the top levels for them not to be used.
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Unfortunately, most if not all the top guys use them or have used them. It basically has become a game of who can beat the testing. A few lose and get caught, but most don't. They just make too much of a difference at the top levels for them not to be used.
I agree. 80 to 90% of UFC athletes are already on.
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yeah vitor is gonna b hurtin if hes not going to b able to do his TRT, weidmans prolly home laughing his balls off n happy as hell. mark my words after weidman fight dana will just keep belfort on the brazil cards so this way he an keep using his TRT and putting asses in the seats n making the ufc money
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i think machida is more dangerous than belfort, hes just not that exciting with his elusive style, hes always counter fighting
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lol.. Vitor just canceled the fight.. ::)
it a bit sad that many of the fighters literally have no balls to fight now
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soon TRT will be done away with all together
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lol.. Vitor just canceled the fight.. ::)
it a bit sad that many of the fighters literally have no balls to fight now
Exactly.
"Whoa, wait? I gotta fight natural? No way. I can't. It's not possible. I'm out! Call Dana"
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Maybe you should be healthy and have a body in working order to compete in professional sports. What a concept!
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i think machida is more dangerous than belfort, hes just not that exciting with his elusive style, hes always counter fighting
'elusive style' = he fights like a bitch who got locked in a cage with a real fighter and is just trying not to get murdered.
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'elusive style' = he fights like a bitch who got locked in a cage with a real fighter and is just trying not to get murdered.
Defensive... I love agressive fighters as much as the next guy but to say a counter-style is fighting like a bitch is just ignorant. Combat sports are not the same as street fighting...
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'elusive style' = he fights like a bitch who got locked in a cage with a real fighter and is just trying not to get murdered.
Negro your crazy machida is knock out machine!
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Brazilian commission banned it as well, so its gone, oh well, all it will mean is guys will go back to retiring younger. Machida Weidman will be a snoorefest.
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UFC's spin is working on you fools. You guys actually think PED's are being banished when in reality only 5 guys are affected. The rest use too they just don't ask for an exemption.
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Negro your crazy machida is knock out machine!
look at lyoto.. with his chin up.. flailing his arms.
he fights like a black girl in the ghetto.
if pulling hair were legal, he'd do it.
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Defensive... I love agressive fighters as much as the next guy but to say a counter-style is fighting like a bitch is just ignorant. Combat sports are not the same as street fighting...
I don't mind counter-strikers... but lyoto's 'style' irritates the fucking hell out of me.
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Brazilian commission banned it as well, so its gone, oh well, all it will mean is guys will go back to retiring younger. Machida Weidman will be a snoorefest.
which is why you'll have guy's fighting at 170-185lbs.. skinnyfat and slow and much less explosive.
they'll fight 1-2x a year and burn out after 2yrs.
the ufc will lose the long-term, big name guys who earn/demand a lot of money... so ufc will be full of the lightweight guys nobody cares about or has heard of who make very little money... just like boxing, when on any Friday or Saturday night, you can turn on the tv and see boxing fights with no-name guys that 90% of us have never heard of and really have no interest in.
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machida fights alot like pedro rizzo used to fight, counter striker. counter strikers r ok as long as the other guy hes fighting is aggressive n moving forward, when u get 2 counter fighters going at it it can be a snooze fest sometimes
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which is why you'll have guy's fighting at 170-185lbs.. skinnyfat and slow and much less explosive.
they'll fight 1-2x a year and burn out after 2yrs.
the ufc will lose the long-term, big name guys who earn/demand a lot of money... so ufc will be full of the lightweight guys nobody cares about or has heard of who make very little money... just like boxing, when on any Friday or Saturday night, you can turn on the tv and see boxing fights with no-name guys that 90% of us have never heard of and really have no interest in.
You're high.
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which is why you'll have guy's fighting at 170-185lbs.. skinnyfat and slow and much less explosive.
they'll fight 1-2x a year and burn out after 2yrs.
the ufc will lose the long-term, big name guys who earn/demand a lot of money... so ufc will be full of the lightweight guys nobody cares about or has heard of who make very little money... just like boxing, when on any Friday or Saturday night, you can turn on the tv and see boxing fights with no-name guys that 90% of us have never heard of and really have no interest in.
fighters wont stop using, theyre just going to have to slow down obvious usage.
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fighters wont stop using, theyre just going to have to slow down obvious usage.
Also wrong. Or at least half wrong.
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You're high.
you're an absolute fool.
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you're an absolute fool.
Explain because you make no sense.
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Also wrong. Or at least half wrong.
really? Guys toeing the line that could claim TRT are not going to have to reevaluate their usage and possible career ending pop now?
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machida fights alot like pedro rizzo used to fight, counter striker. counter strikers r ok as long as the other guy hes fighting is aggressive n moving forward, when u get 2 counter fighters going at it it can be a snooze fest sometimes
what?!?! brutal insult to Rizzo. if Rizzo fought like Machida, ruas would've shamed him to no end.
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Explain because you make no sense.
you're not worth the effort. like trying to explain a P:E ratio to a 2nd grader.
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really? Guys toeing the line that could claim TRT are not going to have to reevaluate their usage and possible career ending pop now?
This affects 5 guys currently. How does that affect the UFC landscape as a whole?
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you're not worth the effort. like trying to explain a P:E ratio to a 2nd grader.
I'll accept the retards white flag then.
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This affects 5 guys currently. How does that affect the UFC landscape as a whole?
5 guys legit prescribed TRT... how many that could suddenly produce a script if they mysteriously popped for high test levels?
its not just the ones prescribed, its the ones that could use it as an out if they ever got in an unfortunate situation....
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5 guys legit prescribed TRT... how many that could suddenly produce a script if they mysteriously popped for high test levels?
Exactly none.
its not just the ones prescribed, its the ones that could use it as an out if they ever got in an unfortunate situation....
That exact scenario led to the exemptions in the first place(facilitated by Dana White and the UFC. Not MMA, not boxing, not Bob Arum. Dana White). Now it won't.
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Exactly none.
That exact scenario led to the exemptions in the first place(facilitated by Dana White and the UFC. Not MMA, not boxing, not Bob Arum. Dana White). Now it won't.
right. So guys that otherwise would have been less worries,have to reevaluate their choices in the face that they wont have the abikity to magically produce a 'script' anymore. Not just the 5 guys already prescribed. If you sont think a bunch of them were thinking 'no biggie, ill just claim TRT if caught', then youre just being naive and arguing to argue.
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right. So guys that otherwise would have been less worries,have to reevaluate their choices in the face that they wont have the abikity to magically produce a 'script' anymore. Not just the 5 guys already prescribed. If you sont think a bunch of them were thinking 'no biggie, ill just claim TRT if caught', then youre just being naive and arguing to argue.
99% of the current crop of fighters haven't asked for a exemption and/or won't ask for a exemption. So the assumption that there is this massive amount of fighters waiting to get a TRT green light just isn't true. The ones that asked and wanted one have already done so. There is no curbing steroid use with this new law. That's the point.
By the way- you couldn't "magically" produce a script if caught and avoid a suspension in the first place. There was a process pre-fight that had to be adhered to.
Secondly, if a fighter had been busted for PED use prior. Nevada wouldn't allow you to have a TRT exemption anyway-the only exception to that rule had been Belfort, hence the reason he was the poster boy for all the ills of the TRT exemption fiasco. Maybe that's what's confusing you but who knows.
As for the other dip shit-he's just out of his league on this subject. All blabble.
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Personally, as a juicer, I think PEDs should be allowed.
Realistically, Vitor did this to himself. While I think a ban is bullshit, don't compare this to diabetes fellas. Athletes don't eat their way into getting diabetes, but they do juice their way into hypogonadism. Vitor looked like a pro bodybuilder when he made his debut. He dug his bed and he'll sleep in it.
Don't get me wrong, I empathize with him. But under the current rules, a TUE can't be entertained. I think people will still abuse and we just need to permit PEDs... the problem will only become more complex as we keep prohibiting them. The complexities will just shift from one pile to another, they'll never go away. But Dana and everyone else are trying to shift the problem off of their plate for sure. That's all this is. They love guys like Vitor but don't want to pay the piper.