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Mysterious Missile Launch Off Calif. Coast Sparks Investigation
By Denise Chow
SPACE.com Staff Writer
posted: 09 November 2010
01:59 pm ET
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Few details are surfacing about the mysterious missile launch seen Monday night (Nov. 8th) from a point just off the southern coast of California, with aerospace and defense officials trying to find out exactly who launched it and why.
"We're looking into it," Ian Gregor, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration, told SPACE.com.
In the video, a long plume of exhaust can be seen as the missile rockets into the evening sky. The launch occurred about 35 miles out at sea, west of Los Angeles and north of Catalina Island.
Gregor said, "We did not approve any commercial space launches in that area for Monday, and any additional information should come from NORAD. That's pretty much all I can say right now."
A spokesman with the U.S. Missile Defense Agency told SPACE.com in an e-mail that the incident was "not an MDA test or launch." [Most Destructive Space Weapons Concepts]
A Navy spokesperson told station KFMB that no Navy activity had been reported in the area Monday evening. NORAD — the North American Aerospace Defense Command — is a joint U.S.-Canadian organization charged with providing aerospace warning, aerospace control and maritime warning for North America. NORAD is working in conjunction with U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) to investigate last night's launch.
The mission of USNORTHCOM is to provide military command and control of homeland defense efforts and support local, state, and federal authorities. It was established in October 2002.
NORAD provided SPACE.com with the following statement: "NORAD and USNORTHCOM are aware of the unexplained contrail reported off the coast of Southern California yesterday evening. At this time, we are unable to provide specific details, but we are working to determine the exact nature of this event. We can confirm that there is no threat to our nation, and from all indications this was not a launch by a foreign military. We will provide more information as it becomes available."
The U.S. military does, on occasion, conduct missile test launches and other weapons tests over the Pacific Ocean that are publicly announced.
On Oct. 29, the U.S. Missile Defense Agency conducted a drill with the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force in a joint test of ballistic missile defense intercept capabilities. Photos and videos of that launch, as well as of several others conducted during the last few months, were released via the Missile Defense Agency's website.
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Maybe the aliens are already in america and are going to start WWIII by firing missiles at Russia or China.... It is the CT board folks...anything is possible :D :D
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sOME CRAZY SHIT GOING ON WITH THIS.
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sOME CRAZY SHIT GOING ON WITH THIS.
Not really. we're probably showing the world some new weapon so they don't devalue our currency. Nothing wrong with that ;)
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Not really. we're probably showing the world some new weapon so they don't devalue our currency. Nothing wrong with that ;)
Bad mindset...Bad tactic. As it stands nothing will stop the drop of the dollar or its replacement. I do however believe this is why america is trying to get its hand on the control of oil in the Persian Gulf adn Red Sea. If it controls the shipping traffic, then it controls the economies of nations needing the oil from that region...Did someone just say WWIII IS COMING REAL SOON
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WWIII IS COMING REAL SOON
buy gold? :D
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buy gold? :D
Fear mongering :o
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buy gold? :D
Not just gold, but gold BULLION, which, of course, SamsonJag's company just so happens to sell!
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Not just gold, but gold BULLION, which, of course, SamsonJag's company just so happens to sell!
;D
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You know, ...I really don't know how this is all going to play out, ...but I intend to position myself so that if the poop does hit the fan, my tush is covered. I won't say I will enjoy having the last laugh, but if the SHTF, I will have the last laugh.
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Everyone just keep your eyes open just in case this heralds in THE EVENT. Too many things are happening all at once and all too conveniently. Obama ratings falling like Bush, economy in trouble like during Bush, trouble within the government itself like Bush and then all of a sudden a 911 event. Now it is Obama's turn...was this why he was given the NOBEL....for playing out this potential event while he is gallivanting around the world making bullshit lectures/speeches. Was not Bush in a school in Florida while the event occurred...Obama is in Indonesia.... Make sure your GRAB AND GO bag id ready somewhere.
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I've had a real eeery spidey sense tingling going on about this week. I sure hope you're wrong, and I've just been experiencing indigestion or something... but I can't shake the feeling that that the poop is going to hit the fan.
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THE PLOT THICKENS... Too many coincidences here, this was a distraction at best ... to get the masses attention on something else other than what is really happening in the world and america.
“Missile” Fired Off California Coast On Same Day That Chinese Sub Surprised US Carrier Group
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, November 11, 2010, 2:17 PM
Coincidence?
The missile fired off of the California coast this week appeared on the same day that a Chinese sub surprised US officials when it appeared suddenly in a US carrier group back in 2007.
Back in 2007 a Chinese submarine surprised American military chiefs when it popped up close to the massive U.S.S. Kitty Hawk.
HotAir reported back in 2007:
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk – a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China’s fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
Now this week there was a mysterious “missile” in the sky over California?
Also, authorities have not yet disclosed what caused a cruise ship to lose its power. The event supposedly began at 6 AM roughly about 10-12 hours before the possible missile launch.
If nothing else, this is interesting.
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Here is the info about the Chinese submarines surfacing around american carrier ships...I posted this some time ago showing the capabilities of the Chinese military...Maybe this is a WARNIGN form China, who said in teh past it has enough nuclear bombs to DESTROY EVERY MAJOR US CITY.
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
By MATTHEW HICKLEY
Last updated at 00:13 10 November 2007
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/submarine_468x323.jpg)
Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.
Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel
The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.
According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.
Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."
In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.
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I have to check into this sub story but if true, it makes me wonder if this isn't related and it was all party of a very agressive chinese exercise.
Mr President we've lost control of FIFTY nuclear warheads: Obama told how his arsenal was hit by 45-minute computer glitch
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324190/Obama-told-nuclear-arsenal-hit-45-minute-glitch.html#ixzz155ofcCP3
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who was it that said this was a dick measuring exercise?
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who was it that said this was a dick measuring exercise?
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Interesting, but here is what is missing....IF it was, the US would want to publicize, not deny they launched a missle. Not to mention why would you want to do it as the President is in SE Asia basically begging from the Chinese? I still say an inadvertent launch that the US doesn't want to admit to. It is turning into a nice little CT story.... ;D
Or are you saying that it was the Chinese launching the missle and the US doesn't want to admit how close they got to the US coast? That, I can buy.
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here's the thread that I guess was the inspiration for samson's last post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2625337/posts
and
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1421.htm
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/11/missile-fired-off-california-coast-on-same-day-that-chinese-sub-appeared-in-us-carrier-group/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gatewaypundit2+(Gateway+Pundit)
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here's the thread that I guess was the inspiration for samson's last post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2625337/posts
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/11/missile-fired-off-california-coast-on-same-day-that-chinese-sub-appeared-in-us-carrier-group/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gatewaypundit2+(Gateway+Pundit)
Here are my sources....
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/11/missile-fired-off-california-coast-on-same-day-that-chinese-sub-appeared-in-us-carrier-group/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gatewaypundit2+%28Gateway+Pundit%29
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html#ixzz14zFuV1Ho
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Interesting, but here is what is missing....IF it was, the US would want to publicize, not deny they launched a missle. Not to mention why would you want to do it as the President is in SE Asia basically begging from the Chinese? I still say an inadvertent launch that the US doesn't want to admit to. It is turning into a nice little CT story.... ;D
Or are you saying that it was the Chinese launching the missle and the US doesn't want to admit how close they got to the US coast? That, I can buy.
it could have been either scenario.
BUT the fact we didn't get more boats in the area, get planes in the air, or evac potus makes me thing we did it, or we pretty aware of the safety of it.
The US would NOT tell the entire world they had so-and-so weapon that could be launched from so-and-so sub... Rather, we'd call the leader(s) of whatever nation he wanted to intimidate, and tell them to call their defense dept and tell them to watch this grid for a weapon demonstration in 15 minutes. Something like that.
This was posturing dick measuring from minute one. Missiles don't just launch and nobody bats an eye - in the middle of global economic meltdown talks - 5 minutes after chinese sub defeats our sonar capabilities ;)
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it could have been either scenario.
BUT the fact we didn't get more boats in the area, get planes in the air, or evac potus makes me thing we did it, or we pretty aware of the safety of it.
The US would NOT tell the entire world they had so-and-so weapon that could be launched from so-and-so sub... Rather, we'd call the leader(s) of whatever nation he wanted to intimidate, and tell them to call their defense dept and tell them to watch this grid for a weapon demonstration in 15 minutes. Something like that.
This was posturing dick measuring from minute one. Missiles don't just launch and nobody bats an eye - in the middle of global economic meltdown talks - 5 minutes after chinese sub defeats our sonar capabilities ;)
the chinese sub deal was from 3 years ago. I guess the special thing about it is that it happened on the same day 3 years ago lol...
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the chinese sub deal was from 3 years ago. I guess the special thing about it is that it happened on the same day 3 years ago lol...
ah, sorry, i didn't follow the story. no news for me lately!
But yeah, no way we have a worldwide G20 financial showdown, at the exact same time a missile launches from water and nobody blinks. No coincidence.
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it could have been either scenario.
BUT the fact we didn't get more boats in the area, get planes in the air, or evac potus makes me thing we did it, or we pretty aware of the safety of it.
The US would NOT tell the entire world they had so-and-so weapon that could be launched from so-and-so sub... Rather, we'd call the leader(s) of whatever nation he wanted to intimidate, and tell them to call their defense dept and tell them to watch this grid for a weapon demonstration in 15 minutes. Something like that.
This was posturing dick measuring from minute one. Missiles don't just launch and nobody bats an eye - in the middle of global economic meltdown talks - 5 minutes after chinese sub defeats our sonar capabilities ;)
Not how it works, trust me.
But, I will still stick to my original thought, which can be meshed with yours, that there is no way in hell a missle was launched and we didn't detect it.
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IMO it was for sure a missile. They don't get launched by accident. If it was a test, why would they do it from that location? I'm not about this one. Something else could be up.
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Here is what Wayne Madsen is reporting...
China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California – Wayne Madsen
Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA
(MadsenReport) – China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.
The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.
The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.
(http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/custom/chinesemissile.jpg)
Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket.
There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.
Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.
Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.
(http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/custom/jinclass.jpg)
Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles.
Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.
(http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/custom/jinroute.jpg)
Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base.
The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast.
For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject.
In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.”
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IMO it was for sure a missile. They don't get launched by accident. If it was a test, why would they do it from that location? I'm not about this one. Something else could be up.
They do get launched by accident.... not like its a weekly occurence and not nukes, but it has happened. and of course nobody wants to admit it for obvious reasons, But one thing I don't get is the speed of the thing? It was very slow for a "missle." :-\
as for the test thing.....not sure.....not likely a test of that magnitude would be advertised to show how big our dick is....and the location is a bad one like you said.
Interesting to say the least....but it will be off the news now and we can concentrate on more important things like "will Obama allow the turkey to live this year?"
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They do get launched by accident.... not like its a weekly occurence and not nukes, but it has happened. and of course nobody wants to admit it for obvious reasons, But one thing I don't get is the speed of the thing? It was very slow for a "missle." :-\
as for the test thing.....not sure.....not likely a test of that magnitude would be advertised to show how big our dick is....and the location is a bad one like you said.
Interesting to say the least....but it will be off the news now and we can concentrate on more important things like "will Obama allow the turkey to live this year?"
not sure about it going to slow. from the point that we get to see it in the film, it's already up and on a trajectory away from the camera filming it. The camera is also far away so both would go toward it appearing slower. With it going away from the camera position, it looks like it could be going plenty fast enough. I could be wrong. plus the trail going from ground up and it does look like it's moving away from the coast/camera position, a plane wouldn't have a contrail from ground all the way up. At least I've never seen it happen anyway. I hope accidental launches don't happen often ;D
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not sure about it going to slow. from the point that we get to see it in the film, it's already up and on a trajectory away from the camera filming it. The camera is also far away so both would go toward it appearing slower. With it going away from the camera position, it looks like it could be going plenty fast enough. I could be wrong. plus the trail going from ground up and it does look like it's moving away from the coast/camera position, a plane wouldn't have a contrail from ground all the way up. At least I've never seen it happen anyway. I hope accidental launches don't happen often ;D
haha, not often....... ;D
The trail appearing to lead up was explained by some "egg head" on the news as being just an optical illusion as he said it was running across the horizon.....but just appeared to be running from the ground up..... :-\ and the speed is very hard to tell from the only camera shot......surely there is another one somewhere that will appear?
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I have another CT to tie into this. I don't believe for a second that a diesel class Chinese submarine somehow went undetected by an entire carrier group.
I'm busy developing my CT on it, but here is a first draft.... ;D
I think more likely scenario is that some defense contractor, we haven't launched any new subs since 2000 or so I believe, wanting to get his chunk of the budget pitches the idea to some admirals who just love their toys....but how to get a million dollar project ok'd when our Navy is so vastly superior to anybody else in the world right now? I got it, we will have an incident with the only half legit threat, China! Just think of walking into an appropriations meeting shortly after the "incident' and showing them how we just "need this new technology.....can't you see? The Chinese are catching up to us......you ain't a commie are you?"
Budget approved...... and that is how CT'n is done my friends...... ;D
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showstoppa, we've seen this before. self-inflicted wound to sell the fear of a bigger threat, curable only with simultaneous ten-year wars that drain the treasury to make a small group really rich.
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http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6101
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Chinese Submarine was not the first on US coast
Posted on 12. Nov, 2010 by Raja Mujtaba in Hot Topics
[Translate]
Sneaking subs into waters off the west coast — its happened before
By Wayne Madsen
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The firing of a submarine-launched ballistic missile by a Chinese Jin-class submarine off the coast of southern California last Monday at the height of evening rush hour in Los Angeles was not the first time the U.S. Navy's anti-submarine warfare sensors in the Pacific have failed.
In 1981, a Soviet Victor-class nuclear submarine successfully evaded the Navy's Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS) network of underwater hydrophones, Towed Array Sensor System (TASS) ships, and P-3 sonobuoy-equipped aircraft and popped up off the Oregon coast alongside a Soviet fishing fishing trawler.
While serving as the Operations Officer at the Navy's SOSUS station at Coos Head, Oregon, this editor received a phone call from the Coast Guard station in Brookings, Oregon reporting that some local fishermen sighted a Soviet submarine alongside a fishing trawler flying the Soviet flag some 30 miles off Brookings.
The incident resulted in the sending of a "Bravo" visual sighting on a Navy-Wide Formatted Message Reporting System (RAINFORM) message to the Commander Oceanographic System Pacific (COMOCEANSYSPAC) in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Since the clear majority of Soviet submarine contact reports were SOSUS RED messages, meaning they submarine had been detected by the SOSUS acoustic arrays, the sending of a BRAVO visual sighting message to the Navy's top commands in Pearl Harbor created a political storm.
The Navy's higher-ups immediately began to question the veracity of the Oregon fishermen and the Coast Guard in an effort to limit the damage. The reaction by the Navy was similar to the cover story now being issued by the Pentagon that the missile plume witnessed some 35 miles off the California coast was actually from a US Airways flight from Honolulu to Phoenix, a model rocket, or an optical illusion.
In 1981, a Victor-III Soviet nuclear attack submarine, armed with torpedos and anti-ship missiles, popped up previously undetected some 30 miles off the Oregon coast. The submarine had undergone significant noise-reduction modifications, with its turbine and propeller cavitation being quieted to avoid detection by U.S. Navy acoustic sensors in the Pacific. The Navy, embarrassed, covered up the incident.
The Navy, clearly embarrassed over the undetected presence of a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine off the coast of Los Angeles, is, some 40 years after the Victor-III incident, continuing its age-old tradition of covering up when it screws up. Aiding and abetting the Pentagon are a group of recently-minted "experts" from NASA, the Discovery Channel Rupert Murdoch's array of claptrap publications, Pentagon-funded web sites and think tanks, and other "usual suspects" in the conspiracy theory proffering business.
The Pentagon, shown to have wasted billions of dollars on a useless ballistic missile defense system, is working overtime with the media and on the Internet to cover up the latest debacle. However, even some reporters who cover the Pentagon full-time are beginning to question the Pentagon's version of events last Monday night over the skies west of Los Angeles.
Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He has written
for several renowned papers and blogs.
Madsen is a regular contributor on Russia Today. He has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity on their television shows. He has been invited to testifty as a witness before the US House of Representatives, the UN Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and an terrorism investigation panel of the French government.
As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation.
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samson, would you please start sourcing your material.
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I have another CT to tie into this. I don't believe for a second that a diesel class Chinese submarine somehow went undetected by an entire carrier group.
I'm busy developing my CT on it, but here is a first draft.... ;D
I think more likely scenario is that some defense contractor, we haven't launched any new subs since 2000 or so I believe, wanting to get his chunk of the budget pitches the idea to some admirals who just love their toys....but how to get a million dollar project ok'd when our Navy is so vastly superior to anybody else in the world right now? I got it, we will have an incident with the only half legit threat, China! Just think of walking into an appropriations meeting shortly after the "incident' and showing them how we just "need this new technology.....can't you see? The Chinese are catching up to us......you ain't a commie are you?"
Budget approved...... and that is how CT'n is done my friends...... ;D
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I still want to know where that missile if that's what it was, landed.
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I still want to know where that missile if that's what it was, landed.
It appeared to go out to sea......I can't believe that no ship or someone on the coast didn't get some video of it, or witness something....
and you ain't buying my Chinese sub CT? :)
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It appeared to go out to sea......I can't believe that no ship or someone on the coast didn't get some video of it, or witness something....
and you ain't buying my Chinese sub CT? :)
nah, ...not really. :-\
But how's this one?
An unnamed country decides to go on a blatant recon mission with a two fold purpose.
1) To demonstrate a show of force.
2) Determine response times and efficiency of US military.
They let loose a mini EMP over a cruise ship, spooking everyone concerned. conjuring visions of 911 in their heads.
In an effort to determine response time and or efficiency of US forces, they let loose a mini EMP over a cruise ship, and let it be known, they have the capability to do that to an entire state. They get an undetectable sub into US waters, and launch a sacrificial unmanned object, to see how quickly US forces shoot it down. US officials spooked by what happened to the cruise ship take no chances and fire on the sacrificial dummy. Unnamed country gathers it's data, and with egg on their faces, US officials don't want to acknowledge the incident let alone talk about it.
So, unlike his predecessor who was essentially bullying a resource rich state, crippled by decades of sanctions and on the verge of collapse, this leader now stands no chance of gathering bully support from fellow industrialized nations, against this wealthy, powerful, unnamed country with billions of cannon if need be fodder. None of them wants an EMP going off over their country.
How's that one? Any plausibility there?
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nah, ...not really. :-\
But how's this one?
An unnamed country decides to go on a blatant recon mission with a two fold purpose.
1) To demonstrate a show of force.
2) Determine response times and efficiency of US military.
They let loose a mini EMP over a cruise ship, spooking everyone concerned. conjuring visions of 911 in their heads.
In an effort to determine response time and or efficiency of US forces, they let loose a mini EMP over a cruise ship, and let it be known, they have the capability to do that to an entire state. They get an undetectable sub into US waters, and launch a sacrificial unmanned object, to see how quickly US forces shoot it down. US officials spooked by what happened to the cruise ship take no chances and fire on the sacrificial dummy. Unnamed country gathers it's data, and with egg on their faces, US officials don't want to acknowledge the incident let alone talk about it.
So, unlike his predecessor who was essentially bullying a resource rich state, crippled by decades of sanctions and on the verge of collapse, this leader now stands no chance of gathering bully support from fellow industrialized nations, against this wealthy, powerful, unnamed country with billions of cannon if need be fodder. None of them wants an EMP going off over their country.
How's that one? Any plausibility there?
Not bad.....but I hope you realize I was talking about the Chinese sub incident from 3 yrs ago in my CT.
Yours meshes with my assertion that there is no way in hell that a missle was launched without the US knowing about it....just not going to happen. Anybody that believes that is delusional.
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Not bad.....but I hope you realize I was talking about the Chinese sub incident from 3 yrs ago in my CT.
Yours meshes with my assertion that there is no way in hell that a missle was launched without the US knowing about it....just not going to happen. Anybody that believes that is delusional.
Agreed!
Here's another theory floating around... secret gov war with UFO's
Alot of people have theorized that a war against aliens would galvanize earth's population, and cause them to rally behind their governments, ...but I gotta tell you, the way some governments have treated their citizens, ...it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the citizens rooted for the aliens. lol. ;D
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Agreed!
Here's another theory floating around... secret gov war with UFO's
Alot of people have theorized that a war against aliens would galvanize earth's population, and cause them to rally behind their governments, ...but I gotta tell you, the way some governments have treated their citizens, ...it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the citizens rooted for the aliens. lol. ;D
That's what happened in the movie INDEPENDENCE DAY... The people were welcoming the UFOS. When the UFOs blew up the Capital /whitehouse etc theatres goers actually cheered!!!!
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I did too.
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I did too.
Shame on you... :D :D :D
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This whole California Mystery Missile Launch has now been exposed as a fraudulent situation. America was all to well aware of the launch because THEY LAUNCHED THE MISSILE and even told mariners of it days in advance. America is nothing but a LYING NATION sad for those numbskulls still rooting and supporting that nation.
U.S. 'Notice to Mariners' Report May Explain Mystery Missile Launch
U.S. 'Notice to Mariners' Report May Explain Mystery Missile Launch Posted by Lori Price, www.legitgov.org 11 Nov 2010 A 'Notice to Mariners' report entry may explain the missile launch earlier this week from Southern California waters near Catalina Island. Page 55 of the current 'Notice to Mariners' report, dated 6 November 2010, notes upcoming firing operations in that area. The report is published weekly by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and prepared jointly with the National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard.
NOTICE TO MARNERS
No. 45
06 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard
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Department of Defense
SECTION III NM 45/10
NAVAREA XII
The summary of all NAVAREA XII messages in force as of 17 December 2009 is given in Section III of NM 52/09.
Warnings issued during the subsequent quarters are issued in NM 13/10, 26/10 and 39/10.
NAVAREA XII WARNINGS issued from 211100Z to 281230Z October 2010.
430/10(19).
NORTH PACIFIC.
HAWAII.
ORDNANCE.
1. UNDERWATER ORDNANCE DETONATIONS IN PROGRESS
UNTIL 281159Z OCT IN AREAS BOUND BY:
A. 22-05N 162-00W, 22-05N 165-00W,
21-55N 170-01W, 21-20N 170-00W,
21-29N 164-59W, 21-29N 162-00W.
B. 20-58N 162-00W, 20-56N 164-58W,
20-48N 170-00W, 20-14N 169-58W,
20-22N 164-57W, 20-25N 162-00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 281259Z OCT.
(221414Z OCT 2010)
431/10(GEN).
1. NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE 230900Z OCT 10. ONLY THOSE
MESSAGES ISSUED DURING THE LAST SIX WEEKS ARE LISTED HEREIN.
2010 SERIES: 403(19), 424(18), 427(18), 430(19).
2. THE SUMMARY OF ALL NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE AS OF
17 DEC 09 IS GIVEN IN SEC III OF NM 52/09. WARNINGS
ISSUED DURING THE SUBSEQUENT QUARTERS ARE SUMMARIZED
IN NM 13/10, 26/10 AND 39/10.
3. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 426/10.
(230926Z OCT 2010)
432/10. CANCELED.
433/10(19).
NORTH PACIFIC.
HAWAII.
MISSILES.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 290130Z TO 290700Z OCT,
ALTERNATE 300200Z TO 300730Z AND
310230Z TO 310800Z OCT
IN AREA BOUND BY
22-00N 159-46W, 22-07N 160-25W,
23-07N 161-49W, 24-25N 162-27W,
29-56N 170-20W, 32-47N 169-47W,
35-34N 164-15W, 36-03N 162-31W,
31-30N 161-28W, 27-00N 162-00W,
24-11N 160-10W, 22-39N 159-36W,
22-10N 159-44W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 310900Z OCT.
(240828Z OCT 2010)
434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
III-1.7
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
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You mean there are nations out the that don't ever lie to their people?
I am glad our country keeps it's secrets. Better to kill more terrorists.
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You mean there are nations out the that don't ever lie to their people?
I am glad our country keeps it's secrets. Better to kill more terrorists.
Don't try and change the subject. The issue here is the US government knew all along what was going on and instead of saying what was happening they let it go into claims of China attacking, terrorist again, Korea launching missiles at america, terrorist IN america have done this, secret submarines from other nations etc etc....and to this day they have not said a word about correcting these LIES or stopping the rumor mill in america known as its media from spreading them. This isn't disturbing to you?
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OR - they put out this paperwork afterwards, after the 'airline contrail' story was debunked by so many experts.
i'd like to see a web cache of this announcement from last week - not a piece of paper they 'say' they issued last week ;)
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OR - they put out this paperwork afterwards, after the 'airline contrail' story was debunked by so many experts.
i'd like to see a web cache of this announcement from last week - not a piece of paper they 'say' they issued last week ;)
Did you order the flight log changed at Gitmo, Colonel !?!? Did you ?!?!
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OR - they put out this paperwork afterwards, after the 'airline contrail' story was debunked by so many experts.
i'd like to see a web cache of this announcement from last week - not a piece of paper they 'say' they issued last week ;)
Did you not notice that this notice to the mariners was made on November 6th meaning the knowledge of doing this was know far earlier than the actual event.
NOTICE TO MARNERS
No. 45
06 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard
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That's what happened in the movie INDEPENDENCE DAY... The people were welcoming the UFOS. When the UFOs blew up the Capital /whitehouse etc theatres goers actually cheered!!!!
>:( Damn You Samson, ...I still haven't seen it yet!
I know it's a really old one, ...but I hate going to see those "blockbusters" when they tell us to.
Too much propaganda. I always wait a while then get around to it. No more spoilers please.
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yeah, i'm just saying, if you were gonna try to diffuse it - and nobody was buying the first excuse (trails from a jet), this would be the next logical step. You'd post-date a memo and say "see? you CTers were all crazy!" and of course, anyone who poo-poo's every single CT would poo-poo this one.
I dont worry or care about who did it. All I can do is keep putting along and hope the international dick measuring never dampens my day. I sure as heck can't change it.
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yeah, i'm just saying, if you were gonna try to diffuse it - and nobody was buying the first excuse (trails from a jet), this would be the next logical step. You'd post-date a memo and say "see? you CTers were all crazy!" and of course, anyone who poo-poo's every single CT would poo-poo this one.
I dont worry or care about who did it. All I can do is keep putting along and hope the international dick measuring never dampens my day. I sure as heck can't change it.
QFT!!!
There are forces that are bigger than us, ...that on impact will either crush us, ...or push us into success.
There's no point in screaming about the upcoming rain, ...we should instead learn how to dance in the rain
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>:( Damn You Samson, ...I still haven't seen it yet!
I know it's a really old one, ...but I hate going to see those "blockbusters" when they tell us to.
Too much propaganda. I always wait a while then get around to it. No more spoilers please.
Its' been over ten years since that movie was released...exactly why are you waiting to see it? Unlike a bottle of wine a movie does not get better with age...lol
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Don't try and change the subject. The issue here is the US government knew all along what was going on and instead of saying what was happening they let it go into claims of China attacking, terrorist again, Korea launching missiles at america, terrorist IN america have done this, secret submarines from other nations etc etc....and to this day they have not said a word about correcting these LIES or stopping the rumor mill in america known as its media from spreading them. This isn't disturbing to you?
I am not trying to change the subject, I am simply making the point that no government tells the Truth 100% of the time. So getting all bent out of shape over the. USA not telling the Truth is stupid.
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I am not trying to change the subject, I am simply making the point that no government tells the Truth 100% of the time. So getting all bent out of shape over the. USA not telling the Truth is stupid.
I am not getting bent out of shape, but this IN ACTION by the US on a matter that they were and are fully aware of is ridiculous. It has left the environment open to speculation, assumptions, threats, accusations etc etc when all they had to do from the beginning was tell what it was. Clearly they had planned this missile (or whatever it was) launch possibly months in advance and even warned mariners of it, but said nothing to the public? Doesn't that seem just more than too retarded...especially since it is your government that is always talking about terrorism acts and to be wary of planes, strangers, things that look suspicious yadda yadda....
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Its' been over ten years since that movie was released...exactly why are you waiting to see it? Unlike a bottle of wine a movie does not get better with age...lol
:o :o :o Oh my goodness! Has it really been that long? Time really flies!
It's not so much that I'm currently waiting to see it, as it is I just never got around to it. (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/shrug.gif)
I admit when it first came out I did purposely hesitate, because I don't like getting herded into the studios latest blockbuster releases, but in the interim, there have been soooo many good films released, and only so many screener watching hours available to me. If I watched all the releases I wanted to, ...I'd be eating popcorn 24/7 and not getting ANY work done. ...'sides, my little system couldn't possibly take all that much fibre. :P :-X
I guess it just fell through the cracks. :-[ I'll make a point of trying to see it this week tho.
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I am not getting bent out of shape, but this IN ACTION by the US on a matter that they were and are fully aware of is ridiculous. It has left the environment open to speculation, assumptions, threats, accusations etc etc when all they had to do from the beginning was tell what it was. Clearly they had planned this missile (or whatever it was) launch possibly months in advance and even warned mariners of it, but said nothing to the public? Doesn't that seem just more than too retarded...especially since it is your government that is always talking about terrorism acts and to be wary of planes, strangers, things that look suspicious yadda yadda....
The US government botching something like this? As if that never happens. Lol.
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OK, finally saw Independence Day on Blu ray. Pretty good. Came off a little contrived and schizophrenic,
but pretty good nonetheless.
I find it interesting that this film made in 1996 features certain elements:
{spoiler alert} Only mouse over if you have already seen it.
Like Randy Quaid's character as a suicide bomber flying his plane into the heart of the enemy's ultimate weapon, and it's called bravery, but when someone does the same thing to you 5 years later, ...it's called cowardly and unforeseeable.
I wish they'd make up their minds.
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OK, finally saw Independence Day on Blu ray. Pretty good. Came off a little contrived and schizophrenic,
but pretty good nonetheless.
I find it interesting that this film made in 1996 features certain elements:
{spoiler alert} Only mouse over if you have already seen it.
Like Randy Quaid's character as a suicide bomber flying his plane into the heart of the enemy's ultimate weapon, and it's called bravery, but when someone does the same thing to you 5 years later, ...it's called cowardly and unforeseeable.
I wish they'd make up their minds.
Are you fucking retarded? Seriously?
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Are you fucking retarded? Seriously?
No, ...are you?
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No, ...are you?
He is RETARDED...avoid him...
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No, ...are you?
You are comparing a scene in a movie, where a guy flys into the enemys weapon to dunecoons flying into the world trade center?
You can't see the retardedness in that? Really? Come on. Really?
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You are comparing a scene in a movie, where a guy flys into the enemys weapon to dunecoons alleged terrorists flying into the world trade center?
You can't see the retardedness in that? Really? Come on. Really?
There are those who consider the manipulations of Wall Street and the stock markets as weapons as well.
Some say WMD's.
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There are those who consider the manipulations of Wall Street and the stock markets as weapons as well.
Some say WMD's.
Seeing how you changed my quote shows me your true colors.....
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Seeing how you changed my quote shows me your true colors.....
She worships Louis Farrakhan. Not surprising that this googly-eyed scumbag also thinks the 9/11 terrorists were heroes. :-\
Methinks her anti-American rage stems from the fact that no one in Hollywood (or America, for that matter) wants to see a black woman with a lazy-eye in a movie. :-X
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She worships Louis Farrakhan. Not surprising that this googly-eyed scumbag also thinks the 9/11 terrorists were heroes. :-\
Methinks her anti-American rage stems from the fact that no one in Hollywood (or America, for that matter) wants to see a black woman with a lazy-eye in a movie. :-X
LOL......
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That's whacked, comparing a movie to an actual event where 3000 people were murdered.
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Beck said this morning on his radio show that military sources are telling him it was a two stage missle.
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Testing peoples reactions to Project Blue beam
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Testing peoples reactions to Project Blue beam
Abominable I posted a ton of information on this stuff on the Political board (the CT board did not exist then) and had all manner of disbelievers howling over this information. Then some of the information I had posted about weapons various governments around the world...in particular the US, have developed and are using in other nation/conflicts and suddenly things became a bit more serious. Microwave weapons, Blue Beam weapons/tricks, Voice of God weapons, Biological Weapons, Audio weapons etc etc etc. I even posted vids showing hidden underground military cities/complexes so that people would understand the plans governments have for their country's population verses the elite who run the nations. I have posted a ton of documentaries that have investigators/researchers who have seen into the hidden shadow governments and illuminati and are trying to expose what their goals and demands are...sadly many think nothing of it and when they finally wake up to the reality of what is happening it will be too late.... It seems you are aware of at least some of the tactics the governments will use to deceive the populations for the sake of ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER THE WORLD.