Senate Republicans once again say FU !! to Veterans

[Straw Man]

Party before country
Party before ANYTHING

.Senate Republicans shoot down jobs bill for veterans

On Wednesday in Washington D.C. Senate Republicans continued their obstruction of legislation designed to help the American economy by blocking the motion to proceed on a bill designed to help veterans obtain jobs in the public and private sector.

At a cost of $1 billion over a five year period, the Veteran’s Jobs Corps Act of 2012 would have created a job corps for veterans looking for work. According to the text of the legislation for S.3457, the program would have employed veterans as police and firefighters as well as employing veterans in “conservation, resource management, and historic preservation projects on public lands and maintenance and improvement projects for cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the National Cemetery Administration.” In addition to direct federal, state, and local public sector work, the program would have also provided grants to non-governmental groups hiring veterans for jobs covered by the program.

The unemployment rate for veterans remains significantly higher than the national unemployment rate of 8.1% in August.

Wednesday’s vote was 58 Yeas to 40 Nays in favor of S.AMDT.2789, an amendment to the veterans jobs corps bill waiving normal budgetary procedure; however such a procedural vote requires at least 60 votes to move forward towards the final vote which requires only a simple majority for passage.

The purpose of the waiver was to expedite the enactment of the jobs corps bill; according to bill sponsor Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), the bill’s expense was covered.

The outcome of this vote was a staggering reversal of previous Republican support a week earlier when on a September 11, 2012 vote to move S.3457 forward, the Senate voted overwhelmingly in favor with a 95 Yeas to 1 Nay.

All 51 Democratic Senators and both Independent Senators voted for the bill. In addition, five Republicans broke rank with their party to support the measure: Senators Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, both of Maine, Dean Heller of Nevada, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

Republican Senators James Inhofe of Oklahoma and Mark Kirk of Illinois did not vote.

Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), who chairs the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs stated, “It’s both shocking and shameful that Republicans today chose to kill a bill to put America’s veterans back to work. At a time when one in four young veterans are unemployed, Republicans should have been able, for just this once, to put aside the politics of obstruction and to help these men and women provide for their families.”

According to Roll Call, Republican Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma who voted against the bill stated of the measures, “Nobody knows if it works.” Meanwhile, Democratic Senator Bill Nelson of Florida cited the election and President Obama’s support for the bill as the reason for the GOP filibuster.

Echoing Nelson in her statement, Murray added of the Republican filibuster, “This vote is stark reminder that Senator McConnell and Senate Republicans are willing to do absolutely anything to fulfill the pledge he made nearly two years ago to defeat President Obama. It doesn’t matter who gets in their way or which Americans they have to sacrifice in that pursuit, even if it’s our nation’s veterans.”
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http://www.examiner.com/article/senate-republicans-shoot-down-jobs-bill-for-veterans

[Fury]

Haha at liberals not calling our soldiers rapists and baby killers long enough to fake actually caring about them. Not even 5 years ago the Dem whip Hoyer was calling them Nazis on the chamber floor.

Protip: The troops don't seem to be very fond of the Usurper.

[Straw Man]

Haha at liberals not calling our soldiers rapists and baby killers long enough to fake actually caring about them. Not even 5 years ago the Dem whip Hoyer was calling them Nazis on the chamber floor.

Protip: The troops don't seem to be very fond of the Usurper.

what does any of that unverified bullshit have to do with the article?

[Kazan]

Whats the point of this? Every application I have ever filled out asks if I am a vet. What exactly is this fucking thing going to do?

[Straw Man]

Whats the point of this? Every application I have ever filled out asks if I am a vet. What exactly is this fucking thing going to do?

the article I posted said exactly what it was supposed to do

the legislation inlcuded Republican ideas and just 9 days ago it had unanimous support

According to the text of the legislation for S.3457, the program would have employed veterans as police and firefighters as well as employing veterans in “conservation, resource management, and historic preservation projects on public lands and maintenance and improvement projects for cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the National Cemetery Administration.” In addition to direct federal, state, and local public sector work, the program would have also provided grants to non-governmental groups hiring veterans for jobs covered by the program.[/quote]

[Kazan]

So they can't do this without spending 1 billion and creating another bureaucracy in DC?

[GigantorX]

Anything else attached the legislation?

And what are the full details?

[Straw Man]

Anything else attached the legislation?

And what are the full details?

noting else attached and keep in mind this legislation included Republican proposals and had virtual unanimous support just a week or so ago

they just didn't want to give Obama the opportunity to talk about this on the campaign trail in the next few weeks

look at Rands Pauls ridiculous reason for not supporting the bill (how is that for an F U to veterans) and Coburns excuse was that trying to help vets "wasn't worth the effort" (how much "effort" does it take to vote Yea rather than Nay?)

Senate Republicans prevented a veterans’ jobs bill from coming to a vote today by forcing a budget point of order vote. Democrats came up 2 votes short of the 60 needed to defeat the GOP’s budget measure.

The Veterans Jobs Corps bill — which is part of President Obama’s push to secure jobs for veterans — would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 young veterans for public lands jobs and prioritize vets for first responder jobs such as police, firefighter, or EMT. The measure would have also provided young vets access to the infrastructure with which to assist in job searches, such as access to computers, internet and career services advisers. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a vets group that supported the legislation, called the GOP move “a huge disappointment,” adding, “Today, politics won over helping vets.”  

While only five Republicans voted with the Democrats to waive the GOP budget point of order measure, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) led the GOP opposition. “When we find ourselves in $16 trillion of debt and we pay for a five-year bill over 10 years, we make the problem worse,” he said.

However, Veterans Jobs Corps bill co-sponsor Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) said on the Senate floor today that “this bill is fully paid for and does not violate pay-go rules.” (The New York Times said Murray’s aides say “say the program will be paid for by recovering more money from tax-delinquent Medicare providers and forcing big tax deadbeats to pay up before receiving passports.”)

Murray even tried to include most of the provisions of a competing Republican bill but Democrats still ran into opposition. Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said he would block the measure until the Pakistani doctor that aided the CIA in looking for Osama bin Laden was freed, while Coburn claimed the bill would have no chance of passing the House so it wasn’t worth the effort.

“I’ve been surprised at the many obstacles and weird arguments that have been thrown at us,” Murray told the Washington Post.

The jobless rate for Iraq and Afghanistan war vets, while steadily declining, is still higher than the national average, yet congressional Republicans remain “resolute in their commitment to deny the Democrats anything that looks like an accomplishment in an election year.”

In an editorial last weekend referring to today’s vote, the New York Times said, “We’ll know then whether good sense prevailed, or the wheels have come completely off the Congressional machine.” It looks like the Republicans have made sure of the latter.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/19/875351/republicans-kill-vets-job-bill/?mobile=nc

[Kazan]

Again what do we need more fucking legislation, 1 billion, and another bureaucracy?

[Straw Man]

Again what do we need more fucking legislation, 1 billion, and another bureaucracy?

uh..... to help unemployed veterans become gainfully employed

are you just opposed to all "legislation" or do you have some particular issue with this legislation ?

[Kazan]

uh..... to help unemployed veterans become gainfully employed

are you just opposed to all "legislation" or do you have some particular issue with this legislation ?

So that can't happen without more legislation?

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uh..... to help unemployed veterans become gainfully employed

are you just opposed to all "legislation" or do you have some particular issue with this legislation ?

all legislation apparently, nevermind the benefits nor drawbacks, legislation is bad, unless of course its tax cuts for the rich and saying whether or not you can abort your own fetus.

[Kazan]

all legislation apparently, nevermind the benefits nor drawbacks, legislation is bad, unless of course its tax cuts for the rich and saying whether or not you can abort your own fetus.

Yeah that has anything to do with what is being discussed here

[Straw Man]

So that can't happen without more legislation?

are you serious?

I guess maybe the private sector "job creators" can step in and create programs to help more vets get jobs

Can't guys like private citizne Romney and the Koch brothers just create programs like this

what are they waiting for?

[Necrosis]

Yeah that has anything to do with what is being discussed here

you made no cogent points, your objection was more legislation which is fucking retarded on so many levels.

[Kazan]

you made no cogent points, your objection was more legislation which is fucking retarded on so many levels.

Whats fucking retarded is you, you add nothing to the discussion just pop in every once in a while to act like an asshole. Must be a true anus gimick

[Necrosis]

Whats fucking retarded is you, you add nothing to the discussion just pop in every once in a while to act like an asshole. Must be a true anus gimick

your grammar is shit, I am an asshole, I don't simply act like one. I state things bluntly and how I see them, if you don't like it then don't read. Your objection was silly and juvenile, I am pointing it out.

[Kazan]

Holy shit, the Department of Labor already has a job corps, why do we need another one?

http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx

[Kazan]

your grammar is shit, I am an asshole, I don't simply act like one. I state things bluntly and how I see them, if you don't like it then don't read. Your objection was silly and juvenile, I am pointing it out.

No its not you ignorant bastard. You simply thing because someone throws veteran in a bill it must pass.

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No its not you ignorant bastard. You simply thing because someone throws veteran in a bill it must pass.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/19/875351/republicans-kill-vets-job-bill/?mobile=nc

bill was paid for you tit, what arguments can truly be held against it? It is clearly a tactic, which is unfortunate, this is what the repub party is, obstructionist hicks.

ignorant is not knowing something, I believe the only one worthy of that charge is you.

[Straw Man]

Holy shit, the Department of Labor already has a job corps, why do we need another one?

http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx

only for people aged 16-24 and not a program that provides jobs but rather training for future jobs

but you know, back to my thread title.  

FU Veterans

why are you all a bunch of victims thinking you're entitled to help from your government just because you volunteered to put your life on the line defending this country

If you need a job then just to what Mitt Romney suggests and borrow some money from your parents to start a business or you can also be like Romney and just sell stock given to you by your father so that you can afford to go to school

lazy fuckers

the answers are right there for anyone to use

[Kazan]

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/19/875351/republicans-kill-vets-job-bill/?mobile=nc

bill was paid for you tit, what arguments can truly be held against it? It is clearly a tactic, which is unfortunate, this is what the repub party is, obstructionist hicks.

ignorant is not knowing something, I believe the only one worthy of that charge is you.

Paid for with what you fucking imbecile? The country is 16 trillion in the red nothing is fucking paid for

[Necrosis]

No its not you ignorant bastard. You simply thing because someone throws veteran in a bill it must pass.

it's like you are too retarded to understand they are raping you, you actually help them do it.

[Necrosis]

Paid for with what you fucking imbecile? The country is 16 trillion in the red nothing is fucking paid for

no increase in debt you retard, jesus I can't even take this seriously, this is such a mental midget response Getbig should have a height requirement.

[Kazan]

only for people aged 16-24 and not a program that provides jobs but rather training for future jobs

but you know, back to my thread title.  

FU Veterans

why are you all a bunch of victims thinking you're entitled to help from your government just because you volunteered to put your life on the line defending this country

If you need a job then just to what Mitt Romney suggests and borrow some money from your parents to start a business or you can also be like Romney and just sell stock given to you by your father so that you can afford to go to school

lazy fuckers

the answers are right there for anyone to use

So lets create a whole new bureaucracy, why not just expand what is already there? Same government BS over and over again. Never enforce an existing law or an existing program, just create more