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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Skorp1o on March 14, 2014, 06:57:25 AM
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"South Africa... I have an announcement to make, after massive amount of prayer and fasting the Lord has healed my kidneys.
God spoke to me a while back and said I need to fast every 3rd month which I did and me and my wife have been praying consistently everyday.
So I will be making my comeback into competitive Bodybuilding in 2014.
Thanks for all the people who have kept me in their prayers... your prayers have been heard.
NEVER EVER EVER LIMIT GOD!!!"
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TCDFbAD0snI/AAAAAAAAR3Q/6EsQT6llLgI/s320/marius+dohne+bodybuilder+(3).jpg)
This is what heppened to his Kidneys before he retired:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=388040.0
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Meanwhile god is ignoring the shit out of my anal fistula. ::)
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Meanwhile god is ignoring the shit out of my anal fistula. ::)
lmao.
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Meanwhile god is ignoring the shit out of my anal fistula. ::)
Try Allah
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Try Allah
Hard to apply without making a mess.
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Meanwhile god is ignoring the shit out of my anal fistula. ::)
If you want I could try to repair it.
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I'll go get an exacto blade and some super glue. You'll be right as rain in no time.
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If you want I could try to repair it.
Can't do that. My boyfriend enjoys me being a squirter.
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Can't do that. My boyfriend enjoys me being a squirter.
Yeah, I can see that.
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Yeah, I can see that.
He can't see anything when I get my aim right.
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It always interests me that the vast majority of experts on prayer and those that simply mock prayer have no understanding of prayer or ever engage in prayer.
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It always interests me that the vast majority of experts on prayer and those that simply mock prayer have no understanding of prayer or ever engage in prayer.
it always interests me how all christians think they are more enlightened than everyone else
be humble my friend
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it always interests me how all christians thing they are more enlightened than everyone else
be humble my friend
Always the same excuses. Fluke recovery: praise the lord! 99.9% mortality rate otherwise: 'you didn't pray right / hard enough / to the right deity'.
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Looks like a druggie to me. Hmmm...So then, what God has "given back", the stupid druggie will ultimately take away again. For Atheists, we can word it thus: What chance has restored, Darwin's Law will destroy, again.
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it always interests me how all christians thing they are more enlightened than everyone else
be humble my friend
So, respectfully, are you of the opinion that those folks that attempt to defend their faith honestly while also sharing it lovingly are lacking in humility because they have more knowledge about their faith and have proactively engaged in their faith?
I don't believe you feel that way.
I agree that some believers adopt arrogance when "sharing their faith", but I think the majority that adopt arrogance are also ignorant and lack knowledge. When they feel threatened (for whatever reason) or if they're unable to answer a question they lash out with anger and/or arrogance.
Knowledge, experience, proactive engagement (in their faith) and an honest desire to represent Christ bring out tact, control and patience.
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lmao
Epic ;D
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So, respectfully, are you of the opinion that those folks that attempt to defend their faith honestly while also sharing it lovingly are lacking in humility because they have more knowledge about their faith and have proactively engaged in their faith?
I don't believe you feel that way.
I agree that some believers adopt arrogance when "sharing their faith", but I think the majority that adopt arrogance are also ignorant and lack knowledge. When they feel threatened (for whatever reason) or if they're unable to answer a question they lash out with anger and/or arrogance.
Knowledge, experience, proactive engagement (in their faith) and an honest desire to represent Christ bring out tact, control and patience.
you sounded like you were dismissing people that arent believers
why isnt their opinion on prayer as valuable as yours
i used to be religious and consider myself more enlightened now that i am not
if you believe in the power of prayer then good luck to you
i would say there is probably a potential placebo effect to it
but im afraid life is a series of random events its as simple as that
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i would say there is probably a potential placebo effect to it
but im afraid life is a series of random events its as simple as that
Yup.
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you sounded like you were dismissing people that arent believers
why isnt their opinion on prayer as valuable as yours
i used to be religious and consider myself more enlightened now that i am not
if you believe in the power of prayer then good luck to you
i would say there is probably a potential placebo effect to it
but im afraid life is a series of random events its as simple as that
Respectfully, I made a statement about those that mock prayer yet have never engaged in prayer, but somehow they know it's a false practice.
Now what I didn't do is make an absolute statement about all nonbelievers.
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Respectfully, I made a statement about those that mock prayer yet have never engaged in prayer, but somehow they know it's a false practice.
Now what I didn't do is make an absolute statement about all nonbelievers.
ive never clubbed seals to death but i still have a strong opinion that it is wrong
why would someone have to pray before they could offer an opinion on it
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i would say there is probably a potential placebo effect to it
but im afraid life is a series of random events its as simple as that
^ Powerful stuff
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it always interests me how all christians thing they are more enlightened than everyone else
be humble my friend
now this is a great fucking line, well said
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bigmc is on a roll today...he's like a walking classic movie one liner.
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ive never clubbed seals to death but i still have a strong opinion that it is wrong
why would someone have to pray before they could offer an opinion on it
Again, respectfully, I made a statement about those that mock prayer yet have never engaged in prayer, but somehow they know it's a false practice.
Now what I didn't say is that people can't have an opinion on prayer unless they've prayed.
Keep in mind, I know you didn't answer my question above so I'll pose it again for you:
So, respectfully, are you of the opinion that those folks that attempt to defend their faith honestly while also sharing it lovingly are lacking in humility because they have more knowledge about their faith and have proactively engaged in their faith?
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Again, respectfully, I made a statement about those that mock prayer yet have never engaged in prayer, but somehow they know it's a false practice.
Now what I didn't say is that people can't have an opinion on prayer unless they've prayed.
you can argue the semantics
but the point is you were implying that by not having engaged in prayer their opinion is not valid
that is the only rational way to interpret what you posted
ultimately you are entitled to hold that point of view
i just think it is typical of people with religious beliefs to dismiss others points of view if they are different
where as others are expected to take what you say on "faith"
because you have no evidence
it all comes down to belief
and therefore if you believe your prayers will be answered
you will make an excuse if they arent
or if the one in a million random event you are praying for happens then you will say see i have proved my point
its a win, win situation for you
if one in a million of your prayers was answered you would argue prayers worked
never mind the millions of times they remain unanswered
which you would no doubt put down to god giving us freedom of choice etc
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Bigmc striking home runs in this thread.
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you can argue the semantics
but the point is you were implying that by not having engaged in prayer their opinion is not valid
that is the only rational way to interpret what you posted
ultimately you are entitled to hold that point of view
i just think it is typical of people with religious beliefs to dismiss others points of view if they are different
where as others are expected to take what you say on "faith"
because you have no evidence
it all comes down to belief
and therefore if you believe your prayers will be answered
you will make an excuse if they arent
or if the one in a million random event you are praying for happens then you will say see i have proved my point
its a win, win situation for you
if one in a million of your prayers was answered you would argue prayers worked
never mind the millions of times they remain unanswered
which you would no doubt put down to god giving us freedom of choice etc
I just stole this whole thing for my facebook status
prayer lol,...boy thats gonna work talking to yourself asking for something to happen
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you can argue the semantics
but the point is you were implying that by not having engaged in prayer their opinion is not valid
that is the only rational way to interpret what you posted
ultimately you are entitled to hold that point of view
i just think it is typical of people with religious beliefs to dismiss others points of view if they are different
where as others are expected to take what you say on "faith"
because you have no evidence
it all comes down to belief
and therefore if you believe your prayers will be answered
you will make an excuse if they arent
or if the one in a million random event you are praying for happens then you will say see i have proved my point
its a win, win situation for you
if one in a million of your prayers was answered you would argue prayers worked
never mind the millions of times they remain unanswered
which you would no doubt put down to god giving us freedom of choice etc
I'm sorry, but what you did is pose a line of questioning based on a inference (and that’s ok). I simply restated my initial premise (twice) and then clarified that what you inferred was not my intent….no more, no less.
I understand you want to dismiss the semantics and work from the perspective of your inferences because (as you put it) “that’s the only rational way to interpret what I posted”; plus, you have a small audience cheering for you on so that fuels the situation. Unfortunately your position is not an absolute, it’s an opinion. That’s perfectly fine because as I also clarified I made no statement about dismissing opinions (again that was your inference which I clarified).
We all have opinions, but your inference also lead you to question the valuation of opinions and I think we can both agree that informed opinions are much more valuable than uninformed opinions. And that leads me back to my initial premise in that we have individuals that “know” that a topic is false based on a fully, uninformed position. Further your initial reply concluded with the notion of humility and I responded with the following (which remains unanswered):
So, respectfully, are you of the opinion that those folks that attempt to defend their faith honestly while also sharing it lovingly are lacking in humility because they have more knowledge about their faith and have proactively engaged in their faith?
Now, you’ve made a number of statements in your last post and I’m happy to deep dive into the topic of prayer if you want.
Still, I have some posts in the following thread to open further discussion:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=476374.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=476374.0)
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I'm sorry, but what you did is pose a line of questioning based on a inference (and that’s ok). I simply restated my initial premise (twice) and then clarified that what you inferred was not my intent….no more, no less.
I understand you want to dismiss the semantics and work from the perspective of your inferences because (as you put it) “that’s the only rational way to interpret what I posted”; plus, you have a small audience cheering for you on so that fuels the situation. Unfortunately your position is not an absolute, it’s an opinion. That’s perfectly fine because as I also clarified I made no statement about dismissing opinions. We all have opinions, but your inference also lead you to question the valuation of opinions and I think we can both agree that informed opinions are much more valuable than uninformed opinions. And that leads me back to my initial premise in that we have individuals that “know” that a topic is false based on a fully, uninformed position. Further you initial reply concluded with the notion of humility and I responded with a the following (which remains unanswered):
So, respectfully, are you of the opinion that those folks that attempt to defend their faith honestly while also sharing it lovingly are lacking in humility because they have more knowledge about their faith and have proactively engaged in their faith?
Now, you’ve made a number of statements in your last post and I’m happy to deep dive into the topic of prayer if you want.
Still, I have some posts in the following thread to open further discussion:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=476374.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=476374.0)
aka: shoving it down peoples throats who dont give a shit
bigmc is crushing you, time to pack it in.
Prayer is a joke beyond jokes. Hey, look at me, I'm talking to absolutely no one asking for too much
Prayer: "I want the best for you as long as I dont have to get off my ass and do anything to help"
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aka: shoving it down peoples throats who dont give a shit
bigmc is crushing you, time to pack it in.
Prayer is a joke beyond jokes. Hey, look at me, I'm talking to absolutely no one asking for too much
People tend cheer for whomever shares their opinion. You don't like my words because they disagree with yours, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Further, what have I shoved down your throat NightTrain?
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I'm sorry, but what you did is pose a line of questioning based on a inference (and that’s ok). I simply restated my initial premise (twice) and then clarified that what you inferred was not my intent….no more, no less.
I understand you want to dismiss the semantics and work from the perspective of your inferences because (as you put it) “that’s the only rational way to interpret what I posted”; plus, you have a small audience cheering for you on so that fuels the situation. Unfortunately your position is not an absolute, it’s an opinion. That’s perfectly fine because as I also clarified I made no statement about dismissing opinions (again that was your inference which I clarified).
We all have opinions, but your inference also lead you to question the valuation of opinions and I think we can both agree that informed opinions are much more valuable than uninformed opinions. And that leads me back to my initial premise in that we have individuals that “know” that a topic is false based on a fully, uninformed position. Further you initial reply concluded with the notion of humility and I responded with a the following (which remains unanswered):
So, respectfully, are you of the opinion that those folks that attempt to defend their faith honestly while also sharing it lovingly are lacking in humility because they have more knowledge about their faith and have proactively engaged in their faith?
Now, you’ve made a number of statements in your last post and I’m happy to deep dive into the topic of prayer if you want.
Still, I have some posts in the following thread to open further discussion:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=476374.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=476374.0)
very articulate and well written
we both know i dont care about being cheered on that was a little cheap on your end
in many ways i envy you, your faith
it must give you comfort believing in the power of prayer
i would rather back myself than pray to a god that may or may not be willing to help
how do you define an informed opinion?
i would argue you are taking a very limited scope as to what is
i dont need to pray to voice an opinion every bit as qualified as you
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People tend cheer for whomever shares their opinion. You don't like my words because they disagree with yours, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Further, what have I shoved down your throat NightTrain?
Im not cheering anyone on
prayer is a joke, plain and simple. Doesnt work, waste of time.
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Prayer doesn’t work or do anything, for that matter, and can actually bring about more dire consequences. For me, prayer simply means that it is clasping your hands together rather than actually doing something productive for someone in need. It also means the people in need are left to fend for themselves rather than receiving the assistance that could give them relief or real answers.
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very articulate and well written
we both know i dont care about being cheered on that was a little cheap on your end
in many ways i envy you, your faith
it must give you comfort believing in the power of prayer
i would rather back myself than pray to a god that may or may not be willing to help
how do you define an informed opinion?
i would argue you are taking a very limited scope as to what is
i dont need to pray to voice an opinion every bit as qualified as you
And man that's why I don't dismiss your position and I continue to respond because I value you what you post (even if I disagree from time to time). You're one of the few who will engage in an actual discussion and we've spoken together for years....that makes a ton of difference.
Many go right to ad hominems and dislike me because of my faith, but you don't do that. I've learned that before I deep dive I want establish the point of view (as best I'm able).
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And man that's why I don't dismiss your position and I continue to respond because I value you what you post (even if I disagree from time to time). You're one of the few who will engage in an actual discussion and we've spoken together for years....that makes a ton of difference.
Many go right to ad hominems and dislike me because of my faith, but you don't do that. I've learned that before I deep dive I want establish the point of view (as best I'm able).
cheers :-*
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I'll pray for both of you ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Im not cheering anyone on
prayer is a joke, plain and simple. Doesnt work, waste of time.
I assume then you're an atheist or maybe an agnostic?
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I assume then you're an atheist or maybe an agnostic?
gimme a sec Im looking up agnostic, I dont know shit about some of this stuff
Im definitely more of this guy
ag·nos·tic
[ag-nos-tik] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
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very articulate and well written
we both know i dont care about being cheered on that was a little cheap on your end
in many ways i envy you, your faith
it must give you comfort believing in the power of prayer
i would rather back myself than pray to a god that may or may not be willing to help
how do you define an informed opinion?
i would argue you are taking a very limited scope as to what is
i dont need to pray to voice an opinion every bit as qualified as you
Now, back to your question about what I feel makes an informed opinion?
Well, since we're working from the perspective of God and faith and prayer I'd say (and again this is my opinion as a believer) that an informed opinion goes beyond a surface reading of the bible or attendance in a church or attempts to "bottle God in the lab". It requires proactivity via the active engagement in a faithful relationship with God. In essence it means approaching God on his terms with an attitude of humility and a desirous heart that seeks to know his reality. When you actively pursue God and ask that he reveal himself in your life and pray to him and ask that his will be accomplished in your life and you do so with consistency and diligence (regardless of outcome) I would say then that your opinion would be fully informed.
God leaves that narrow gate wide open, but you must be willing to walk through it.
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MOS
prove there is a god
thats all, just physically prove it
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gimme a sec Im looking up agnostic, I dont know shit about some of this stuff
Im definitely more of this guy
ag·nos·tic
[ag-nos-tik] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
Ok, fair enough. I don't condemn others for being agnostic LOL.
Have you always been an agnostic?
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Ok, fair enough. I don't condemn others for being agnostic LOL.
Have you always been an agnostic?
yes
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MOS
prove there is a god
thats all, just physically prove it
Not a problem. Are you willing to do your part? Because it will require your humble, honest participation.
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HAhahahahahahaha!!!!
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yes
Again, that's fine. Would you help me understand how you know that prayer is false or doesn't do anything as you put it?
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MOS already down to the bottom of his bag of pearls, and choosing to throw the rest to the pigs in case there is a glimmer of hope, in this thread.
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I often wonder why humanity, empowered by God to maintain his ample creation, would allow portions of humanity to starve when there are resources available for the entire planet and yet we sit idle and just take pictures of these folks for National Geographic or a 20/20 segment?
We (collective humanity) have every ample resource at our fingertips provided by God to care for the entire planet and we don't do it.
Why?
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I often wonder why humanity, empowered by God to maintain his ample creation, would allow portions of humanity to starve when there are resources available for the entire planet and yet we sit idle and just take pictures of these folks for National Geographic or a 20/20 segment?
Great angle, I like how you have pitched that.
Another one I like is this:
Athiest: "God is an evil bastard, look at all the suffering He is allowing in xyz country"
10 mins later "Oh man what a beautiful day, don't you just love mother nature."
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Great angle, I like how you have pitched that.
Another one I like is this:
Athiest: "God is an evil bastard, look at all the suffering He is allowing in xyz country"
10 mins later "Oh man what a beautiful day, don't you just love mother nature."
I always enjoy sitting in a restaurant with family or friends waiting for a table and a tv is broadcasting some horrific circumstancee in another part of the world and folks waiting for a table are shaking their heads and muttering how terrible the situation is and commenting about those "poor, poor people" and 5 minutes later are demanding a manager and gettin all red-faced because their table is another 15 minutes out and they're "starving".
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To choose a religion and follow a path you must therefore reject all others.
Thats counter productive to a tolerant society.
That is all.
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To choose a religion and follow a path you must therefore reject all others.
Thats counter productive to a tolerant society.
That is all.
Ravi Zacharias would like to add a little more if you don't mind.
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Ravi Zacharias would like to add a little more if you don't mind.
Could you bullet point that vid, 1 hour 46 of my life is quite important to me.
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Again, that's fine. Would you help me understand how you know that prayer is false or doesn't do anything as you put it?
the burden of proof is with you my friend
i have prayed a thousand times not selfishly
but for the innocents of the world
help me understand how prayer works
and i mean with quantifiable evidence
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Could you bullet point that vid, 1 hour 46 of my life is quite important to me.
Respectfully, try doing what I do each day while I work. One ear bud in listening to debates, lectures and music another ear open on my work. You'd be amazed how fast 2 hours can go by; plus, Ravi's presentations are best initially absorbed without the "Cliffs Notes" approach....that's great for review after the fact.
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I often wonder why humanity, empowered by God to maintain his ample creation, would allow portions of humanity to starve when there are resources available for the entire planet and yet we sit idle and just take pictures of these folks for National Geographic or a 20/20 segment?
We (collective humanity) have every ample resource at our fingertips provided by God to care for the entire planet and we don't do it.
Why?
do you believe god created us
then why are we so flawed
why do we kill and perpetrate evil if we are created in his image
you construct your arguments well
but the bottom line is your beliefs are something you need
because as a flawed human you cannot grasp the concept that this is all there is
and that when you die that is it
this type of head shaking preaching really pisses me off
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Respectfully, try doing what I do each day while I work. One ear bud in listening to debates, lectures and music another ear open on my work. You'd be amazed how fast 2 hours can go by; plus, Ravi's presentations are best initially absorbed without the "Cliffs Notes" approach....that's great for review after the fact.
Lol, I have a job where thats simply not possible.
I have to be on the ball at work.
Kudos to you that you have managed to get a job that only requires you to do it half hearted.
Maybe I should say my prayers. ;)
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the burden of proof is with you my friend
i have prayed a thousand times not selfishly
but for the innocents of the world
help me understand how prayer works
and i mean with quantifiable evidence
The burden of proof of NightTrain's claim is mine? Forgive me, but how does that work LOL?
Once again, let's revisit my initial comment
It always interests me that the vast majority of experts on prayer and those that simply mock prayer have no understanding of prayer or ever engage in prayer.
I think that's admirable and selfless that you chose to pray for others like that.
I agree that prayer should be about others and God. My daily prayers usually contain four primary "points" (for lack of a better word):
1) Prayer that God's will be done in my life.
2) Prayer that others will see Jesus Christ in me.
3) Prayer for the specific needs of others.
4) Prayer about gratitude and worship for God.
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The burden of proof of NightTrain's claim is mine? Forgive me, but how does that work LOL?
Once again, let's revisit my initial comment
I think that's admirable and selfless that you chose to pray for others like that.
I agree that prayer should be about others and God. My daily prayers usually contain four primary "points" (for lack of a better word):
1) Prayer that God's will be done in my life.
2) Prayer that others will see Jesus Christ in me.
3) Prayer for the specific needs of others.
4) Prayer about gratitude and worship for God.
Isn't that gonna happen regardless?
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Lol, I have a job where thats simply not possible.
I have to be on the ball at work.
Kudos to you that you have managed to get a job that only requires you to do it half hearted.
Maybe I should say my prayers. ;)
That's ok, maybe you can listen later.
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Not a problem. Are you willing to do your part? Because it will require your humble, honest participation.
fuck this
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Again, that's fine. Would you help me understand how you know that prayer is false or doesn't do anything as you put it?
I cant, and you cant prove it does
and thats why we choose to believe what we believe (or dont believe as the case may be)
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Isn't that gonna happen regardless?
Just need a little clarification. Are you asking if God's will is going to happen regardless? If so, regardless of what exactly?
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I cant, and you cant prove it does
and thats why we choose to believe what we believe (or dont believe as the case may be)
Well you are free to make that choice.
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Just need a little clarification. Are you asking if God's will is going to happen regardless? If so, regardless of what exactly?
Yes, regardless of prayer.
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do you believe god created us
then why are we so flawed
why do we kill and perpetrate evil if we are created in his image
you construct your arguments well
but the bottom line is your beliefs are something you need
because as a flawed human you cannot grasp the concept that this is all there is
and that when you die that is it
this type of head shaking preaching really pisses me off
Yes I believe God created us.
I believe we are flawed because of our choice to sin.
His image does not mean we have his nature....he is divine in nature, we are human in nature.....he is infinite, we are finite.....he is holy and righteous and we are in need of being deemed righteous.
And you ask solid questions and I don't mean to make you angry....sincerely.
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Why did God create us, what would be the point?
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Yes, regardless of prayer.
Are you suggesting then that God's will cannot be defied and therefore our prayers are meaningless because his will is predetermined?
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Why did God create us, what would be the point?
I honestly don't know every reason he created us, but I do know he did create us so that we may freely choose a relationship with him that he will honor eternally. He wants us to want to draw close to him as much as he wants to draw close to us.
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I honestly don't know every reason he created us, but I do know he did create us so that we may freely choose a relationship with him that he will honor eternally. He wants us to want to draw close to him as much as he wants to draw close to us.
then why does he try so hard to disguise his existence
why didnt he show someone like me a sign
who grew up religious and prayed to him every night
all the world has shown me is that we are the worst part of it
and that god as described by you cannot exist
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then why does he try so hard to disguise his existence
why didnt he show someone like me a sign
who grew up religious and prayed to him every night
all the world has shown me is that we are the worst part of it
and that god as described by you cannot exist
whats with you? You are on fire lately with amazing stuff that is bang on (no brownnose)
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then why does he try so hard to disguise his existence
why didnt he show someone like me a sign
who grew up religious and prayed to him every night
all the world has shown me is that we are the worst part of it
and that god as described by you cannot exist
I don't know if you want to share publically (if so feel free to PM me), but what is your religious background (and forgive me if you shared this with me previously).
Well, I don't think God has ever hidden his existence. He literally traveled place to place with the early nation of Israel and made his power evident and manifest before them repeatedly both in the miraculous and the traveling temple.
God entered his creation as the incarnate son in Jesus Christ and dwelt among his creation as a human being for over 3 decades before ascending back to his heavenly thrown.
Apostle Paul made it plain that God reveals himself to all through his creation.
God is made tangible and manifest to his body of believers of today via the Holy Spirit....his presence can literally be felt.
God does show some signs via visions and dreams; in fact, many Muslims who leave Islam and come Christianity have professed visions and dreams of Jesus Christ.
My friend, I don't know why God has not yet revealed himself to you, but I would consider his perfect timing in these matters. Within my own life the Lord allowed me to broken down to the point that I was at death's door with literally a foot in the grave before I honestly surrendered myself to his will for my life. In that moment he revealed himself to me in powerful ways and continues to do so. Today I strive to represent Christ and share with others the good news of his gift of salvation and freedom from our sin.
I agree that humanity is the worst part of the world because it chooses sin, but those that repent or change their mind about their choice to sin and accept what the incarnate son in Jesus Christ came to do on calvary's cross can be freed from the shackles of their sin and become the redeemed church of Jesus Christ called to be the salt and light of the world. We have an opportunity to become the best of the world, but we must freely choose Christ so that we may be deemed righteous.
Why can't he exist?
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Are you suggesting then that God's will cannot be defied and therefore our prayers are meaningless because his will is predetermined?
So then logically the only thing to ever pray for would be for God to do what he planned to do anyway.
This bugs me, though. When prayers are "answered," God gets credit. When they aren't, it's man/sin or God's will. This baffled me even when I believed.
Appreciate your responses, friend, no disrespect intended.
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Respectfully, I made a statement about those that mock prayer yet have never engaged in prayer, but somehow they know it's a false practice.
Prayer is a relatively well-studied phenomenon -- it is uncontroversial to say that it doesn't work in most contexts ('work' in the sense of producing the desired outcome more than would occur at random), and that the placebo effect is responsible in instances where it does work.
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I don't know if you want to share publically (if so feel free to PM me), but what is your religious background (and forgive me if you shared this with me previously).
Well, I don't think God has ever hidden his existence. He literally traveled place to place with the early nation of Israel and made his power evident and manifest before them repeatedly both in the miraculous and the traveling temple.
God entered his creation as the incarnate son in Jesus Christ and dwelt among his creation as a human being for over 3 decades before ascending back to his heavenly thrown.
Apostle Paul made it plain that God reveals himself to all through his creation.
God is made tangible and manifest to his body of believers of today via the Holy Spirit....his presence can literally be felt.
God does show some signs via visions and dreams; in fact, many Muslims who leave Islam and come Christianity have professed visions and dreams of Jesus Christ.
My friend, I don't know why God has not yet revealed himself to you, but I would consider his perfect timing in these matters. Within my own life the Lord allowed me to broken down to the point that I was at death's door with literally a foot in the grave before I honestly surrendered myself to his will for my life. In that moment he revealed himself to me in powerful ways and continues to do so. Today I strive to represent Christ and share with others the good news of his gift of salvation and freedom from our sin.
I agree that humanity is the worst part of the world because it chooses sin, but those that repent or change their mind about their choice to sin and accept what the incarnate son in Jesus Christ came to do on calvary's cross can be freed from the shackles of their sin and become the redeemed church of Jesus Christ called to be the salt and light of the world. We have an opportunity to become the best of the world, but we must freely choose Christ so that we may be deemed righteous.
Why can't he exist?
Epic trolling.
Why, if God is all knowing ,would he create us and give us 'free will' knowing exactly what our choices would be?
An omnipresent being surely would have better things to be getting on with.
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God cures bodybuilders kidney who injects drugs into his body.
God sits by and let's children be abused every day.
Even if there was a god, would you believe in something with logic like that? If god does exist, He sure is an asshole.
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;D
Meanwhile god is ignoring the shit out of my anal fistula. ::)
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"God can do anything" say the believers.
OK, Can God create a boulder so large he cant pick it up?
;)
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Why can't he exist?
why indeed
you believe he does i believe he doesnt
hard facts in these matters are hard to present
therefore you look at the other evidence
i would argue that religion historically has been used as a way of imposing rules and morality in society
the pay off being that there is some kind of prize at the end of the rainbow if you follow the rules eg eternal paradise
some religions like the catholic church go one better
you can be evil all your life then repent your sins and go to heaven
which is the best deal ever and probably is why its attractive to child abusers
the closest i ever come to believing in god is when i look at my children
for children are the real miracle in life
but then i look at the millions of innocent children who die every day and the random actst of violence and hatred perpetrated by man
and i think there is no god there cant be
or if there is he doesnt give a shit what happens to us
and if that is the case why would i give a shit about him
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Why can't he exist?
why indeed
you believe he does i believe he doesnt
hard facts in these matters are hard to present
therefore you look at the other evidence
i would argue that religion historically has been used as a way of imposing rules and morality in society
the pay off being that there is some kind of prize at the end of the rainbow if you follow the rules eg eternal paradise
some religions like the catholic church go one better
you can be evil all your life then repent your sins and go to heaven
which is the best deal ever and probably is why its attractive to child abusers
the closest i ever come to believing in god is when i look at my children
for children are the real miracle in life
but then i look at the millions of innocent children who die every day and the random actst of violence and hatred perpetrated by man
and i think there is no god there cant be
or if there is he doesnt give a shit what happens to us
and if that is the case why would i give a shit about him
The burden of proof lies with he who affirms (MOS)
Its not for you to prove Unicorns dont exist, that fact that there are none about is your evidence.
Its up to people who claim Unicorns exist to produce one.
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So then logically the only thing to ever pray for would be for God to do what he planned to do anyway.
This bugs me, though. When prayers are "answered," God gets credit. When they aren't, it's man/sin or God's will. This baffled me even when I believed.
Appreciate your responses, friend, no disrespect intended.
It's all good....I'll do my best.
When one considers God's predetermined will we should also consider whether or not his will has also been pre-executed. If that were the case then the biblical notion of free will would be meaningless as we are merely puppets.
Still we can see a clear case of God's will being defied and our individual free will being upheld in this very thread.
I think for most the notion that God desires all to come unto him in faith and repentance is without much question. Our Lord Jesus Christ wanted that all of humanity would come to him and claim him as savior and enter into an everlasting relationship with him. His will is pretty evident in that regard. That said, if we have free will then the Lord's will for us to come unto him and claim him as God, Lord and Savior can be defied. To illustrate simply we note the following reply chain within this very thread:
MOS
prove there is a god
thats all, just physically prove it
Not a problem. Are you willing to do your part? Because it will require your humble, honest participation.
fuck this
I cant, and you cant prove it does
and thats why we choose to believe what we believe (or dont believe as the case may be)
Well you are free to make that choice.
Right there we have God wanting all to come unto him and one freely choosing not to and God’s predetermined will is defied our individual free will is upheld…..it’s as simple as that.
But of what of God’s foreknowledge? Does this mean that our free will is meaningless because God foreknows our choices? I don't believe so at all....foreknowledge does not mean the choices have been made for us. Many posit that God could create any number of universes to satisfy a specific circumstance, but I believe he has created the perfect universe already using his foreknowledge of our future free choices. In doing so he provided the opportunity for his own creation to eliminate evil and suffering via their choice for Jesus Christ. He fashioned the world in such a way that our choices would be upheld and he didn't force us to choose one way or another (one exception in that we do have to choose whether to accept or reject God). Yes, his foreknowledge comes before the actual free choices we make, but his creation was contingent upon those future free choices and was perfectly fashioned to uphold them.
Yes when prayers are answered with a “yes” then “God is great”, but when prayers are answered with a “no” then “God is not great”. Today my perception about prayers answered “no” coupled with continued stress and suffering has changed. Before I shook my fist at God in defiance, but today I recognize opportunity and providence as I know my God would only put before me that which he knows I can handle and learn from. It’s a divine opportunity to draw that much closer to my Savior. I don’t prefer the struggle, but I’ve seen the Lord take me straight through the fire time and time again. Those private moments of prayer are times of fellowship and worship with Jesus Christ in which I often get to feel his divine presence in the Holy Spirit, but above all I always seek his will because he’s affirmed for me time and again that his will for my life is far better than my own will (unless my will is aligned with his). Sure, he’ll honor my will, but the greatest achievements and happiness have all happened when done in accordance with his will.
Sorry for the novel.
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Epic trolling.
Why, if God is all knowing ,would he create us and give us 'free will' knowing exactly what our choices would be?
An omnipresent being surely would have better things to be getting on with.
see my post above
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New International Version
He will repay them for their sins and destroy them for their wickedness; the LORD our God will destroy them.
New Living Translation
God will turn the sins of evil people back on them. He will destroy them for their sins. The LORD our God will destroy them.
English Standard Version
He will bring back on them their iniquity and wipe them out for their wickedness; the LORD our God will wipe them out.
New American Standard Bible
He has brought back their wickedness upon them And will destroy them in their evil; The LORD our God will destroy them.
King James Bible
And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
He will pay them back for their sins and destroy them for their evil. The LORD our God will destroy them.
International Standard Version
He will repay them for their sin; he will annihilate them because of their evil. The LORD our God will annihilate them.
NET Bible
He will pay them back for their sin. He will destroy them because of their evil; the LORD our God will destroy them.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He returns their evil against them and their companions in their evils, he silences such; Lord Jehovah our God silences them!
GOD'S WORD® Translation
He has turned their own wickedness against them. He will destroy them because of their sins. The LORD our God will destroy them.
Jubilee Bible 2000
And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.
King James 2000 Bible
And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.
American King James Version
And he shall bring on them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yes, the LORD our God shall cut them off.
American Standard Version
And he hath brought upon them their own iniquity, And will cut them off in their own wickedness; Jehovah our God will cut them off.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he will render them their iniquity: and in their malice he will destroy them: the Lord our God will destroy them.
Darby Bible Translation
And he will bring upon them their iniquity, and will cut them off in their own evil: Jehovah our God will cut them off.
English Revised Version
And he hath brought upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own evil; the LORD our God shall cut them off.
Webster's Bible Translation
And he will bring upon them their own iniquity, and will cut them off in their own wickedness; yes, the LORD our God will cut them off.
World English Bible
He has brought on them their own iniquity, and will cut them off in their own wickedness. Yahweh, our God, will cut them off.
Young's Literal Translation
And turneth back on them their iniquity, And in their wickedness cutteth them off; Jehovah our God doth cut them off!
Can someone give me a clue when hes going to actually do something?
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http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
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Can someone give me a clue when hes going to actually do something?
I can promise you this much.....I don't know.
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The burden of proof lies with he who affirms (MOS)
Its not for you to prove Unicorns dont exist, that fact that there are none about is your evidence.
Its up to people who claim Unicorns exist to produce one.
I agree.
If you want to experience God's reality I encourage it and I'm more than willing to help, but this leads me back to an earlier post:
Not a problem. Are you willing to do your part? Because it will require your humble, honest participation.
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I can promise you this much.....I don't know.
Im out, you must be trolling. ;)
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I agree.
If you want to experience God's reality I encourage it and I'm more than willing to help, but this leads me back to an earlier post:
I'll be interested in this. We can make history. It'll be the first time in the whole Earth's history that this god fella is proved to be real.
Word of warning, I'm not in the habit of lying to myself so I'm not going to convince myself of a load of shit. Conclusive proof, or he can go suck the devil's ass.
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"God can do anything" say the believers.
OK, Can God create a boulder so large he cant pick it up?
;)
God entered his creation as the incarnate son in Jesus Christ. He became a normal man who emptied himself of his divine power, but yet was every bit God. Further all things were created through Jesus Christ including all that exists on earth and yet while on earth he could not lift all the different boulders on earth.
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God entered his creation as the incarnate son in Jesus Christ. He became a normal man who emptied himself of his divine power, but yet was every bit God. Further all things were created through Jesus Christ including all that exists on earth and yet while on earth he could not lift all the different boulders on earth.
Prove it
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God entered his creation as the incarnate son in Jesus Christ. He became a normal man who emptied himself of his divine power, but yet was every bit God. Further all things were created through Jesus Christ including all that exists on earth and yet while on earth he could not lift all the different boulders on earth.
Thanks for that, now can God create a boulder he cant move?
So he couldn't move boulders yet he could walk on water and feed 5000 people with a few fish and loaves and rise from the dead???
moving boulders should have been a piece of piss. ::)
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Thanks for that, now can God create a boulder he cant move?
He can't prove any of it. He convinced himself without any evidence.
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He can't prove any of it. He convinced himself without any evidence.
Faith, the belief in something that deep down you just know isn't true.
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Faith, the belief in something that deep down you just know isn't true.
Or plainly called, illusion. Believing hard in something that can never be proved.
There's zero difference in any religion or even new BS religions. Maybe that's the definition of religion. Believe in something, not real.
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Or plainly called, illusion. Believing hard in something that can never be proved.
There's zero difference in any religion or even new fake religions. Maybe that's the definition of religion. Believe in something, not real.
I think its an excuse to avoid taking total control of your own life.
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I'll be interested in this. We can make history. It'll be the first time in the whole Earth's history that this god fella is proved to be real.
Word of warning, I'm not in the habit of lying to myself so I'm not going to convince myself of a load of shit. Conclusive proof, or he can go suck the devil's ass.
The greatest proof is also the proof that is the most quickly discarded, but is requires proactivity on part of each individual. For me it's found in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within believers. It is literally being attached at soul with the very spirit of God and experiencing his tangible presence. Simple as that and undeniable proof for each individual that comes to Jesus Christ with humility, honesty, a desirous heart, attitude of repentance (in regards to their sin) and claiming him as Lord and Savior.
Romans 10:9
9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
The road to hell is broad, but Jesus Christ is the narrow gate to salvation. That gate is always open, but each individual must be willing to walk through on God's terms and not their own. One must be willing to surrender to God's will. Do that and his reality will be made manifest and tangible in your lives.
I know this will be mocked.....that doesn't concern me in the least because the truth is I desire for each of you to experience Christ's love like I have.....it's right there at your fingertips.
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He can't prove any of it. He convinced himself without any evidence.
this
and then asks us to participate to prove its real
listen MOS if I ask you to go out and find me a 5 legged dog cause you said its real, Im not going to participate in the hunt for this thing. Its your job to find this 5 legged dog and then show it to me, then I will believe its real.
You are really starting to spew a load of shit and making yourself look like a tool...which, essentially, is how 99% of religious people end up looking
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The greatest proof is also the proof that is the most quickly discarded, but is requires proactivity on part of each individual. For me it's found in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within believers. It is literally being attached at soul with the very spirit of God and experiencing his tangible presence. Simple as that and undeniable proof for each individual that comes to Jesus Christ with humility, honesty, a desirous heart, attitude of repentance (in regards to their sin) and claiming him as Lord and Savior.
Romans 10:9
9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
The road to hell is broad, but Jesus Christ is the narrow gate to salvation. That gate is always open, but each individual must be willing to walk through on the God's terms and not their own. One must be willing to surrender to God's will. Do that and his will be made manifest and tangible in your lives.
I know this will be mocked.....that doesn't concern me in the least because the truth is I desire for each of you to experience Christ's love like I have.....it's right there at your fingertips.
Proactivity? As in, 'proactively' convince myself? Jeeeee-zusss. This is your evidence? Telling myself a load of shit over and over again so it becomes the truth?
Proactively convince yourself pancakes can talk. You seem to be good at it.
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cause some dude wrote it in a book its true? Oh brother. The Bible, a real "fact" source there.
man, hit the road
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I'm done for today.....thx for discussion.
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I'm done for today.....thx for discussion.
Guys forgive him for he knows not what he does.
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He's 'proactively' running away. Notice how he preempts with 'I know you'll mock me'. He sure does because he knows what ridiculous baloney he ramble on about.
Tell yourself his little god exists. Haha. Getbig is where the crazies come to play :D
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He's 'proactively' running away. Notice how he preempts with 'I know you'll mock me'. He sure does because he knows what ridiculous baloney he ramble on about.
Tell yourself his little god exists. Haha. Getbig is where the crazies come to play :D
AHAHAHAAH!! "running away" 8 on 1 throughout today....I think I did ok LOL. "Running" to get my daughter.
Take it easy.
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AHAHAHAAH!! "running away" 8 on 1 throughout today....I think I did ok LOL. "Running" to get my daughter.
Take it easy.
Hey, as I drive along to the Brighton beach, I'm going to keep chanting 'God exists, God exists, God exists'. I'll let you know how it works out.
PS,
Give your daughter the chance to decide for herself before you brainwash her with a load of cack.
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AHAHAHAAH!! "running away" 8 on 1 throughout today....I think I did ok LOL. "Running" to get my daughter.
Take it easy.
Dont worry, Gods on your side.
As for doing OK you haven't really written anything other than inane ramblings.
Mind you, that classes as OK for a God botherer.
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Afrikaner people, very religious people.
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Hey, as I drive along to the Brighton beach, I'm going to keep chanting 'God exists, God exists, God exists'. I'll let you know how it works out.
PS,
Give your daughter the chance to decide for herself before you brainwash her with a load of cack.
This guy had a strict religious upbringing
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Aleister_Crowley,_wickedest_man_in_the_world.jpg)
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Hey, as I drive along to the Brighton beach, I'm going to keep chanting 'God exists, God exists, God exists'. I'll let you know how it works out.
PS,
Give your daughter the chance to decide for herself before you brainwash her with a load of cack.
Wow. You're a real class act. MoS has been very polite toward you and others here and yet you're behaving like a real piece of dung. In the real world (i.e., in person aka, face to face) he would be the same toward you and I doubt you would behave in this manner toward him but then again, stupid is as rude does, eh Forrest?
Let me guess, you're shooting for Poster Boy of the Month for that website, "Feces of Meth"? One of my best and dearest friends was an Atheist. But he wasn't an asshole. Lighten up Francis.
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Epic trolling.
Why, if God is all knowing ,would he create us and give us 'free will' knowing exactly what our choices would be?
An omnipresent being surely would have better things to be getting on with.
Shits and giggles? Maybe we are the "special ones" amongst his galactic ant farm. The Jason Genovas of the universe. You have to admit, mankind can be quite entertaining.
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Shits and giggles? Maybe we are the "special ones" amongst his galactic ant farm. The Jason Genovas of the universe. You have to admit, mankind can be quite entertaining.
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Ha...that's all these alien species "visit" earth...we are the party planet...
We provide non-stop 24 hour entertainment---wars, murders, sports, bloopers.
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It would take someone as narcissistic and stupid as most bodybuilders, whom, after ravaging their bodies with drugs and self-inducing organ failure honestly believe God would heal THEM (pointless specimens of mankind who deserve their suffering) while ignoring all the pain take gets inflicted day-in day-out on completely innocent individuals.
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It would take someone as narcissistic and stupid as most bodybuilders, whom, after ravaging their bodies with drugs and self-inducing organ failure honestly believe God would heal THEM (pointless specimens of mankind who deserve their suffering) while ignoring all the pain take gets inflicted day-in day-out on completely innocent individuals.
well said
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It would take someone as narcissistic and stupid as most bodybuilders, whom, after ravaging their bodies with drugs and self-inducing organ failure honestly believe God would heal THEM (pointless specimens of mankind who deserve their suffering) while ignoring all the pain take gets inflicted day-in day-out on completely innocent individuals.
And if that shit was true, how fucked up of a god would it have to be.
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"South Africa... I have an announcement to make, after massive amount of prayer and fasting the Lord has healed my kidneys.
God spoke to me a while back and said I need to fast every 3rd month which I did and me and my wife have been praying consistently everyday.
So I will be making my comeback into competitive Bodybuilding in 2014.
Thanks for all the people who have kept me in their prayers... your prayers have been heard.
NEVER EVER EVER LIMIT GOD!!!"
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TCDFbAD0snI/AAAAAAAAR3Q/6EsQT6llLgI/s320/marius+dohne+bodybuilder+(3).jpg)
This is what heppened to his Kidneys before he retired:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=388040.0
And people think God doesn't care about bodybuilding. Fuck those starving to death in Darfur, it's bodybuilders and their kidneys that God cares about.
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I was nice enough to message Marius the link to this thread on facebook:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=522774.0
you fucking idiot, if there was a God, which there isnt, he wouldnt give a shit about your abuse of drugs making your kidneys fail. Go fuck yourself
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Right now a child is being abused.
Instead God heals bodybuilders kidney.
Yes, this Divine Plans makes so much sense. ::) ::) ::)
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his chick is a doorknob too it sounds like
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Man of Steel seems like a genuinely good guy, even if I disagree with just about everything he says. It seems to work for him, which is great.
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Man of Steel seems like a genuinely good guy, even if I disagree with just about everything he says. It seems to work for him, which is great.
Yes, he does seem a decent fellow. I just don't understand how someone can think like that. I think they simply want to believe it and just ignore everything contrary. The whole faith thing is their answer to everything.
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Looks like Mr.God just give up on those lazy Ultra Orthodox Jews (around 800 000 in Palestine) , rest of 'chosen'
tribe don't want to feed them for free any more.
Those guy's pray day & night ::) & now Mr.God screw them again (no more free lunch ;D)
God & kidney ;D yeah right.
Sub question: why is Mr.God so anti Jew :D
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Yes, he does seem a decent fellow. I just don't understand how someone can think like that. I think they simply want to believe it and just ignore everything contrary. The whole faith thing is their answer to everything.
Well, I don't wanna question his motivation, but he represents his faith better than most. I certainly can't relate, but a good guy is a good guy.
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Where was Sir God when Luke Woods way dying from kidneys failure (& many others) ???
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Where was Sir God when Luke Woods way dying from kidneys failure (& many others) ???
Luke didn't pray hard enough.
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It just baffles me beyond belief that people like man of steel believe that this "God" actually exists. I dont get it and never will
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It just baffles me beyond belief that people like man of steel believe that this "God" actually exists. I dont get it and never will
I have a couple theories. One is that people want to fit in and just say they believe when they in fact do not.
The other is, as I mentioned above, that they want to believe it. They will search for anything that they can use as "proof" and accept it right away and never look back. "Golly, God saved that juicer's kidney. God is great!" They will simply bury their head in the sand and shout "FAITH FAITH FAITH" to any logic you attempt to throw their way.
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for those of you who believe in God and prayer-
why would God, who gave the devil free reign here on earth, answer your prayers?
the whole idea of letting loose satan was to test the faith of His people, much like He allowed happen to Lot.
therefore it doesnt make sense to test your faith if Hes simply going to answer your prayers. why even test your faith in the first place then. lol
wait, i know- all those prayers that go unanswered are because He had other plans for you right? but the times you pray and it has worked out to your benefit He answered them? lol
the ultimate paradox- if you question your faith you go to Hell, therefore you must just blindly be agreeable to such things as i have discussed above on the pretext of faith just so that you can go to Heaven.
yes, god lets the devil test us and our faith, but then answers your prayers while tens of thousands of childern die every day of starvation and disease. ::)
pull your heads out of your ass.
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i think god believers are deliberately intelectualy taking the piss.
they dont realy believe.
they want to.
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for those of you who believe in God and prayer-
why would God, who gave the devil free reign here on earth, answer your prayers?
the whole idea of letting loose satan was to test the faith of His people, much like He allowed happen to Lot.
therefore it doesnt make sense to test your faith if Hes simply going to answer your prayers. why even test your faith in the first place then. lol
wait, i know- all those prayers that go unanswered are because He had other plans for you right? but the times you pray and it has worked out to your benefit He answered them? lol
the ultimate paradox- if you question your faith you go to Hell, therefore you must just blindly be agreeable to such things as i have discussed above on the pretext of faith just so that you can go to Heaven.
yes, god lets the devil test us and our faith, but then answers your prayers while tens of thousands of childern die every day of starvation and disease. ::)
pull your heads out of your ass.
Seems like you really thought this one through. Problem is only a retard would attempt to make sense of what is utterly nonsensical.
Hope this helps.
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Seems like you really thought this one through. Problem is only a retard would attempt to make sense of the nonsensical.
Hope this helps.
didnt you start a tearfilled thread about how you're leaving?
beat it, nancy. dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
hope this helps.
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Seems like you really thought this one through. Problem is only a retard would attempt to make sense of what is utterly nonsensical.
Hope this helps.
Thought you bid us adieu.
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Thought you bid us adieu.
I did but OMR made his choice in deleting my thread. I told him if he deleted it... i would stay. So here I am.
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I did but OMR made his choice in deleting my thread. I told him if he deleted it... i would stay. So here I am.
Ah, then welcome back.
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I did but OMR made his choice in deleting my thread. I told him if he deleted it... i would stay. So here I am.
:D god you're such a wimp.
your single too eh?
big surprise there. no girl wants to date a guy whos more of a woman than she is.
boohoo im leaving *sniff sniff* *honk*
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didnt you start a tearfilled thread about how you're leaving?
beat it, nancy. dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
hope this helps.
Hey, don't get mad at me because you think you've emerged from some abyss all enlightened when in reality you're still stumbling in retardation like the nincompoop you are.
Hope this helps.
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:D god you're such a wimp.
your* single too eh?
big surprise there. no girl wants to date a guy whos more of a woman than she is.
boohoo im leaving *sniff sniff* *honk*
*you're
Dipshit.
Keep on thinking deep thoughts you simpleton. And dont forget to share so I can have a good laugh.
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Hey, don't get mad at me because you think you've emerged from some abyss all enlightened when in reality you're still stumbling in retardation like the nincompoop you are.
Hope this helps.
im not mad at you. why would i be mad at you? you dont even exist when i hit the close browser button. i just like mocking pansies such as yourself.
dont read anything more into it than that, princess.
hope this helps.
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for those of you who believe in God and prayer-
why would God, who gave the devil free reign here on earth, answer your prayers?
the whole idea of letting loose satan was to test the faith of His people, much like He allowed happen to Lot.
therefore it doesnt make sense to test your faith if Hes simply going to answer your prayers. why even test your faith in the first place then. lol
wait, i know- all those prayers that go unanswered are because He had other plans for you right? but the times you pray and it has worked out to your benefit He answered them? lol
the ultimate paradox- if you question your faith you go to Hell, therefore you must just blindly be agreeable to such things as i have discussed above on the pretext of faith just so that you can go to Heaven.
yes, god lets the devil test us and our faith, but then answers your prayers while tens of thousands of childern die every day of starvation and disease. ::)
pull your heads out of your ass.
As deep of thoughts as a puddle in a freshly paved road.
What a dipshit.
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*you're
Dipshit.
Keep on thinking deep thoughts you simpleton. And dont forget to share so I can have a good laugh.
dude. you've said your suicidal, your jobless, dont have a gf and i dont even want too, or care to know how much more deeply fucked up you are than that.
if anyone can use a good laugh apparently its you. but i'd rather laugh at you, much like the universe has done.
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im not mad at you. why would i be mad at you? you dont even exist when i hit the close browser button. i just like mocking pansies such as yourself.
dont read anything more into it than that, princess.
hope this helps.
Au contraire, it is I who mock you, nincompoop.
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dude. you've said your suicidal, your jobless, dont have a gf and i dont even want too, or care to know how much more deeply fucked up you are than that.
if anyone can use a good laugh apparently its you. but i'd rather laugh at you, much like the universe has done.
Further proof you're a nincompoop of epic retardation for believing any of that.
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bigmc is on a roll today...he's like a walking classic movie one liner.
Great scholar and sportsman.
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dude. you've said your suicidal, your jobless, dont have a gf and i dont even want too, or care to know how much more deeply fucked up you are than that.
if anyone can use a good laugh apparently its you. but i'd rather laugh at you, much like the universe has done.
omg you just described my clone
I am not wolfox just to be clear
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Further proof you're a nincompoop of epic retardation for believing any of that.
We all know it's true, don't bother with the backpedaling.
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omg you just described my clone
I am not wolfox just to be clear
Suicidal?
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Suicidal?
not suicidal, just couldnt give a shit if I lived or died. Zero fear of death
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not suicidal, just couldnt give a shit if I lived or died. Zero fear of death
I see. Me too.
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(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4irkd8rMM1qdmmx9o1_500.gif)
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not suicidal, just couldnt give a shit if I lived or died. Zero fear of death
::)
Death scares the living fuck out of me. I have too much responsibilities and people to take care of.
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Death scares the living fuck out of me. I have too much responsibilities and people to take care of.
Death intrigues me. What is it like after we die?
I suspect it's the same as before we were born but I don't remember what that was like.
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(http://meetville.com/images/quotes/Quotation-Christopher-Hitchens-god-prayer-right-man-Meetville-Quotes-19113.jpg)
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This guy had a strict religious upbringing
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Aleister_Crowley,_wickedest_man_in_the_world.jpg)
This Guy to.
(http://www.gratisimage.dk/graphic/images/2013/June/05/9A19_51AF892A.jpg)
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Why did god let two children die when the parents prayed for their health? The parents obviously believe in god and certainly prayed, why would god not answer their prayers?
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Faith-Healing-Mother-Prison-Son-Death-250308351.html
A Northeast Philadelphia mother who believes in faith-healing rather than modern medicine surrendered Friday to begin serving her three-and-a-half-to-seven-year sentence for the death of her 8-month-old son, the second time one of her ill children died without seeing a doctor.
Catherine Schaible, 44, is still appealing her sentence. Her husband Herbert Schaible already began serving his sentence.
At sentencing last month, Philadelphia Common Pleas Judge Benjamin Lerner told the Rhawnhurst couple it wasn't right for them to let 8-month-old Brandon die.
He said: "You've killed two of your children... not God, not your church, not religious devotion -- you."
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Prayer: The idea that God's plans are so unimportant that he will change them if you ask him to.
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(http://christiandiarist.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/nfl-prayer-circle.jpg)
(http://schema-root.org/people/starvation/starvation.jpg)
god works in mysterious ways.
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(http://christiandiarist.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/nfl-prayer-circle.jpg)
(http://schema-root.org/people/starvation/starvation.jpg)
god works in mysterious ways.
Exactly, but no religious person will ever address this.
Well, they may say that, "God helps those that helps themselves.", but then what the fuck good does he do?
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We need to go oldschool on religion. Oldschool GB, that is. Instead of a FAT FURNACE we need a
FAITH FURNACE
Seriously, anyone even borderline rational can discredit anything about religion in seconds. Which means religious people have a serious mental handicap. Treatment and therapy don't seem to help, not even tough love, GetBig style. So let us just fire up the now defunct Fat Furnace and stoke the fire of the Faith Furnace.
Don't whine about how religious people can be very friendly. Yes, they can. Man of Steel probably believes he's doing the right thing. So did many Auschwitz guards, it didn't excuse them.
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Kidney stones and kidney infections from them, had me on the floor in the worst pain of my life! :(
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Kidney stones and kidney infections from them, had me on the floor in the worst pain of my life! :(
ohhhhhhhhhh my heart bleeds with sympathy for you,........NOT,......liar and scammer
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Exactly, but no religious person will ever address this.
Well, they may say that, "God helps those that helps themselves.", but then what the fuck good does he do?
Yes, people like MOS will never EVER address this.
God will help the patriots win the superbowl but will sit idly by and let people starve to death.
People like MOS will say things like, "well, we have free will" or as you said, "God helps those who help themselves." or some bullshit line. There is always some excuse ::) ::)
I really feel bad for people like MOS. They are so far gone and so far deluded that they cannot even bring themselves back to "reality." They are caught in the grips of their delusion that it has really fried their brain.
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I sometimes wonder if MOS is just trolling.
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I sometimes wonder if MOS is just trolling.
the way he talks even if he is serious its still trolling
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the way he talks even if he is serious its still trolling
Yes, his attempt to sound sophisticated was relatively transparent.
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I sometimes wonder if MOS is just trolling.
the path of the righteous man
is the path of a blind man
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There's a measles outbreak here and a bunch of fucking pastors are telling everyone to not get immunized because it interferes with God's plan.
I really feel like hunting these fuckers down and beating them in a dark alley.
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Yes, his attempt to sound sophisticated was relatively transparent.
Thats the thing, even in MOS's attempt to sound smart (even if he is not trying), you cannot sound smart when you spew the shit he does. Whenever I read his stuff, I cannot help to think what a bunch of horse shit it sounds like. Its hard to sound intellectual or like you have a good point where you're spewing the shit he does.
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MOS says we have free will, yet he is a prisoner of an imaginary thing spouting drivel that is meaningless
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the path of the righteous man
is the path of a blind man
You can be try to be righteous without being religious.
It's about being the best person you can be.
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Thats the thing, even in MOS's attempt to sound smart (even if he is not trying), you cannot sound smart when you spew the shit he does. Whenever I read his stuff, I cannot help to think what a bunch of horse shit it sounds like. Its hard to sound intellectual or like you have a good point where you're spewing the shit he does.
I always thought he was OK, gone down in my estimation in this thread.
Amazing how religion brings people together isn't it?
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Im not cheering anyone on
prayer is a joke, plain and simple. Doesnt work, waste of time.
I get all i ever ask for.i believe the power of prayers.you will be on your knees in no time just wait and see.
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I get all i ever ask for.i believe the power of prayers.you will be on your knees in no time just wait and see.
Which god?
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I often wonder why humanity, empowered by God to maintain his ample creation, would allow portions of humanity to starve when there are resources available for the entire planet and yet we sit idle and just take pictures of these folks for National Geographic or a 20/20 segment?
We (collective humanity) have every ample resource at our fingertips provided by God to care for the entire planet and we don't do it.
Why?
Lol I'll give you a hint: there arent plenty of resources
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Which god?
Poseidon.
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man of steel is one of the most genuine guys on here
and a great poster
i disagree with his faith
doesnt make him a bad person
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I always thought he was OK, gone down in my estimation in this thread.
Amazing how religion brings people together isn't it?
I am sure I would have no problem sitting down with him and having a beer.
But the shit that comes out of his mouth is just ridiculous.
Religion is the opiate of the masses.
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I always thought he was OK, gone down in my estimation in this thread.
Amazing how religion brings people together isn't it?
yah, religion has burned so many bridges throughout history, one would think ppl will learn some day.
ofc it always was about moneys and power, but in the name of religion, bc there was always enough suckers ready to kill and or die for their religious beliefs.
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man of steel is one of the most genuine guys on here
and a great poster
i disagree with his faith
doesnt make him a bad person
Bingo. I would venture to say he's one of the best posters here. It's just insane when really great people are also blinded by religion.
There's a dude here at work who's the nicest and smartest dude ever. Carries himself very well. But he's a hardcore Christian. It's just so weird that he's cool in every other regard, but is convinced about bullshit like a great flood and Noah's Ark. I don't get it. It's like they write off logic just for the religious stuff but are completely normal and rational outside of that.
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man of steel is one of the most genuine guys on here
and a great poster
i disagree with his faith
doesnt make him a bad person
So you really believe that this universe is nothing more then a collection of random occurrences?
I am not religious, but even I have to wonder what "this" is all about. Maybe religion is something that humans made to rationalize what they were never meant to comprehend in the first place.
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So you really believe that this universe is nothing more then a collection of random occurrences?
I am not religious, but even I have to wonder what "this" is all about. Maybe religion is something that humans made to rationalize what they were never meant to comprehend in the first place.
fuck off you retarded prick
men are talking
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So you really believe that this universe is nothing more then a collection of random occurrences?
I am not religious, but even I have to wonder what "this" is all about. Maybe religion is something that humans made to rationalize what they were never meant to comprehend in the first place.
Its not about anything.
Here watch this.
Humans cant accept that we are just bits of shit floating around, our egos make us think we are something special, we are fuck all and everything we ever do or achieve will eventually lead to nothing.
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So you really believe that this universe is nothing more then a collection of random occurrences?
I am not religious, but even I have to wonder what "this" is all about. Maybe religion is something that humans made to rationalize what they were never meant to comprehend in the first place.
Are you high?
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fuck off you retarded prick
men are talking
You need to relax. Act like an adult for a change. Why are you so angry?
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As long as those on this board recognize that I represent Jesus Christ in my life no matter how inane you find my position I'm fine with that.
See, I pray for the members of this board almost daily...I've shed some tears for members of this board. But I am never.....I repeat NEVER.....under any delusion that I will change the minds of the staunchest atheists on this board. Your minds are made up.
So, why do I continue? A good man on this board asked me that privately yesterday.
I do it for those folks reading these threads that aren't speaking and that have not made a decision for Christ. I do it because I used to be like them....craving a voice that spoke for Jesus Christ unabashedly. I couldn't find many.....so I decided to become one myself for the glory of my Savior...the very one who answered my leap of faith with a resounding blast of his presence and forever changed me. Today I no longer "leap in faith".....my "faith" is solidified because God has revealed himself to me and others....and so desperately wants others to come unto him too. I'm sorry and forgive me, but I chuckle over the mocking comments like, "la la la, I have faith...I have faith....nothing else!" What some of you miss is that my faith has been perfectly solidified. I live in the type of faith that some of y'all mock only in reference to those promises of Jesus Christ that are still to come. But who is, what he's done........that faith is a different, mature category of faith some of you can't even fathom. Still, it's remains completely within the grasp of your fingertips if you would only surrender to his will for your lives.
For those that want to know the reality of Jesus Christ in their lives I post in these threads with the prayer for PMs from those members that want to know more.....and yesterday I received 3....hopefully tomorrow another 3.
What the staunch atheists of this board don't seem to realize is that your mocking, your insults, your memes, your pornographic images, your foul mouths, etc....draw attention to the threads and I use that attention to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to that larger audience not speaking that crave far more than what you and this world have to offer them.
So please, do your worst because it only broadens my little platform for Christ. I bid no one any ill will, I will continue to lift up the members of this board in prayer and I will never retaliate in kind because that doesn't represent Jesus Christ, my faith, my family or me as a man. You wanna slap my cheek? That's fine, I'll turn and give you the other one as well.
So fellas let the insults fly if you wanna.....I'm a big man with a heart connected to Jesus Christ and it is well with my soul. ;)
God bless!
MOS
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Are you high?
Sober maybe, but unlikely.
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You need to relax. Act like an adult for a change. Why are you so angry?
Do you ever learn?
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You need to relax. Act like an adult for a change. Why are you so angry?
this would be very funny if you were being ironic
not so much as you are being moronic
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As long as those on this board recognize that I represent Jesus Christ in my life no matter how inane you find my position I'm fine with that.
See, I pray for the members of this board almost daily...I've shed some tears for members of this board. But I am never.....I repeat NEVER.....under any delusion that I will change the minds of the staunchest atheists on this board. Your minds are made up.
So, why do I continue? A good man on this board asked me that privately yesterday.
I do it for those folks reading these threads that aren't speaking and that have not made a decision for Christ. I do it because I used to be like them....craving a voice that spoke for Jesus Christ unbashedly. I couldn't find many.....so I decided to become one myself for the glory of my Savior. The very one who answered my leap of faith with a resounding blast of his presence and forever changed me. Today I no longer "leap in faith".....my "faith" is solidified because God has revealed himself to me and others....and so desperately wants others to come unto him too. I'm sorry and forgive me, but I chuckle over the mocking comments like, "la la la, I have faith...I have faith....nothing else!" What some of you miss is that my faith has been perfectly solidified. I live in the type of faith that some of y'all mock only in reference to those promises of Jesus Christ that are still to come. But who is, what he's done........that faith is a different, mature category of faith some of you can't even fathom. Still, it's remains completely within the grasp of your fingertips if you would only surrender to his will for your lives.
For those that want to know the reality of Jesus Christ in their lives. I post in these threads with the prayer for PMs from those members that want to know more.....and yesterday I received 3....hopefully tomorrow another 3.
What the staunch atheists of this board don't seem to realize is that your mocking, your insults, your memes, your pornographic images, your foul mouths, etc....draw attention to the threads and I use that attention to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to that larger audience not speaking that crave far more than what you and this world have to offer them.
So please, do your worst because it only broadens my little platform for Christ. I bid no one any ill will, I will continue to lift up the members of this board in prayer and I will never retaliate in kind because that doesn't represent Jesus Christ, my faith, my family or me as a man. You wanna slap my cheek? That's fine, I'll turn and give you the other one as well.
So fellas let the insults fly if you wanna.....I'm a big man with a heart connected to Jesus Christ and it is well with my soul. ;)
God bless!
MOS
I actually feel sorry for you. :(
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ok
shed tears for this board?
he's trolling--CLEARLY--what a tool
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I actually feel sorry for you. :(
you actually read that ???
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this would be very funny if you were being ironic
not so much as you are being moronic
You see, I have changed. I quoted your statement and asked a question related to the thread topic.
Now how was your response warranted in any way?
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You see, I have changed. I quoted your statement and asked a question related to the thread topic.
Now how was your response warranted in any way?
i post what i want
go and jump off a bridge
you are less than nothing :-*
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You see, I have changed. I quoted your statement and asked a question related to the thread topic.
Now how was your response warranted in any way?
Nope, this is how you have always been, poor old victim shizzo, "please sir what have I done wrong"
Fuck off.
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i post what i want
go and jump off a bridge
you are less than nothing :-*
Have a good evening big Mark C. ;)
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Have a good evening big Mark C. ;)
fuck you :-*
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I was raised a Catholic and even though I still identify myself as one (go to church at Easter and Christmas), its mainly for cultural reasons. :D
I find it hard to believe in a supernatural, omnipotent being that watches over us all.
I kind of envy people like MOS and would actually like to have the faith he has, it probably would have helped me during my tougher times......but I always believe that we should be sceptical of things which cant be proven.
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ok
shed tears for this board?
he's trolling--CLEARLY--what a tool
Yes, gotta be trolling. He's posting as if he was Jesus. :D
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I was raised a Catholic and even though I still identify myself as one (go to church at Easter and Christmas), its mainly for cultural reasons. :D
I find it hard to believe in a supernatural, omnipotent being in the modern world.
I kind of envy people like MOS and would actually like to have the faith he has, it probably would have helped me during my tougher times......but I always believe that we should be sceptical of things which cant be proven.
How exactly would have believing in a man in the clouds have helped you?
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How exactly would have believing in a man in the clouds have helped you?
Placebo effect. I'm sure religion can help give a positive attitude sometimes to help get through tough situations.
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How exactly would have believing in a man in the clouds have helped you?
Like when my mum passed away. A strong faith in God would have provided some comfort I guess - believing that it wasn't the end.
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Like when my mum passed away. A strong faith in God would have provided some comfort I guess - believing that it wasn't the end.
Its not the end, they live on through your thoughts and memories.
My dad died in 2002 and I think about him almost every day, I close my eyes and I can picture him laughing clear as day, i dream about him once in a while and we talk.
Pretty much what I did when he was alive.
I dont need a man in a cloud for that.
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Its not the end, they live on through your thoughts and memories.
My dad died in 2002 and I think about him almost every day, I close my eyes and I can picture him laughing clear as day, i dream about him once in a while and we talk.
Pretty much what I did when he was alive.
I dont need a man in a cloud for that.
wonder if its a multilevel cloud or all one level? which way does it face? Does it have a pool?
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Its not the end, they live on through your thoughts and memories.
My dad died in 2002 and I think about him almost every day, I close my eyes and I can picture him laughing clear as day, i dream about him once in a while and we talk.
Pretty much what I did when he was alive.
I dont need a man in a cloud for that.
One of your best posts, man. Seriously.
Read this over, everyone. Death is just another stage in life. It is obviously not an easy stage to deal with, but it is inevitable.
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wonder if its a multilevel cloud or all one level? which way does it face? Does it have a pool?
Its got to be segregated with different areas for different races and religions.
Or do they go to their own Heavens.
Place is likely littered with dog shit, Im sure no one works so the council services wont be provided.
What happens when your gas cooker fucks up, I dont want some 'cowboy' turning up, I will insist on Corgi registered.
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One of your best posts, man. Seriously.
Read this over, everyone. Death is just another stage in life. It is obviously not an easy stage to deal with, but it is inevitable.
Tramadol is one hell of a drug. ;D
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Its not the end, they live on through your thoughts and memories.
My dad died in 2002 and I think about him almost every day, I close my eyes and I can picture him laughing clear as day, i dream about him once in a while and we talk.
Pretty much what I did when he was alive.
I dont need a man in a cloud for that.
A nice post. Solid opinion.
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Its not the end, they live on through your thoughts and memories.
My dad died in 2002 and I think about him almost every day, I close my eyes and I can picture him laughing clear as day, i dream about him once in a while and we talk.
Pretty much what I did when he was alive.
I dont need a man in a cloud for that.
Yeah, the memories are still strong but the thing that bothered me most was just having to come to terms with the fact that she wouldn't be there anymore and play any further part in my life.
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Yeah, the memories are still strong but the thing that bothered me most was just having to come to terms with the fact that she wouldn't be there anymore and play any further part in my life.
Fact is mate, shes still there now. ;)
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wonder if its a multilevel cloud or all one level? which way does it face? Does it have a pool?
Chances are another dimension "next" to or "overlapping" ours. Like an astral plane...
Not like I know or anything.
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Fact is mate, shes still there now. ;)
Cheers mate. :D
I actually know what you're saying is correct but there is a small part of me (the irrational part) that would like to think otherwise. ;D
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Cheers mate. :D
I actually know what you're saying is correct but there is a small part of me (the irrational part) that would like to think otherwise. ;D
There is nothing irrational about hoping for something better. It is my hope that you will see her again and all will be well.
Until then, hope is what we have. Irrational? Nope. Human.
All the best.
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There is nothing irrational about hoping for something better. It is my hope that you will see her again and all will be well.
Until then, hope is what we have. Irrational? Nope. Human.
All the best.
What's irrational is believing a god can make something better. Prayer is simply wishful thinking with coincidentally the same probability as chance. Who would have thought?
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What's irrational is believing a god can make something better. Prayer is simply wishful thinking with coincidentally the same probability as chance. Who would have thought?
What is your problem? My words were meant for another and that in the spirit of goodwill and yet you choose to defecate upon them in yet another incident of irritable mind syndrome. Try being a good person for once and shut the hell up when the adults are talking. We get it. You despise the message of Jesus of Nazareth and think those that follow Him to be fools.
You are confident in the fact of evolution yet fail to evolve yourself and remain unchanged a little prick of a man. A total asshole when it comes to interacting with those that think differently than you. You are given to bouts of rudeness that would seem symptomatic of Tourette's if one were to be lenient and assign such a diagnosis to you. In all honesty, you are prick because you think the world owes you an audience for your ego.
I have known many an Atheist and the majority of them are good people, some are far more Christian in their lives than many a professing Christian that I know, but you? You're the fly at the neighborhood BBQ. You eat shit and bother people.
To SuperTed, I again hope that at the end of all things we are reunited with loved ones and that you and your mother are together again with others, both family and friends. I have no idea whether or not my beliefs will translate into reality but I have hope. The hope of my faith. I trust this does not offend but if it does I can offer nothing more and for that I am sorry.
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I wish I were safe in Heaven, dead. - Kerouac
In heaven everything is fine
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I have known many an Atheist and the majority of them are good people, some are far more Christian in their lives than many a professing Christian that I know.
Unfortunately I can say the same.
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What is your problem? My words were meant for another and that in the spirit of goodwill and yet you choose to defecate upon them in yet another incident of irritable mind syndrome. Try being a good person for once and shut the hell up when the adults are talking. We get it. You despise the message of Jesus of Nazareth and think those that follow Him to be fools.
You are confident in the fact of evolution yet fail to evolve yourself and remain unchanged a little prick of a man. A total asshole when it comes to interacting with those that think differently than you. You are given to bouts of rudeness that would seem symptomatic of Tourette's if one were to be lenient and assign such a diagnosis to you. In all honesty, you are prick because you think the world owes you an audience for your ego.
I have known many an Atheist and the majority of them are good people, some are far more Christian in their lives than many a professing Christian that I know, but you? You're the fly at the neighborhood BBQ. You eat shit and bother people.
To SuperTed, I again hope that at the end of all things we are reunited with loved ones and that you and your mother are together again with others, both family and friends. I have no idea whether or not my beliefs will translate into reality but I have hope. The hope of my faith. I trust this does not offend but if it does I can offer nothing more and for that I am sorry.
It appears it is you who has trouble dealing with differing opinions to yours. The truth torments you doesn't it? I was simply posting about the well known fact about the non efficacy of prayer. If you were a normal person I would find your response utterly bizarre, but you have made it clear the only reality you like to abide in is a fictional one of your own choosing. The irony of your post is I wasnt rude at all, and yet you have melted down in a torrent of rudeness and hostility, all of which is lost on me, as it simply serves to demonstrate the negative impact religion has on people and how intolerant they are.
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Creed
by Steve Turner
We believe in Marx, Freud and Darwin
We believe everything is OK
as long as you don't hurt anyone
to the best of your definition of "hurt",
and to the best of your definition of "knowledge".
We believe in sex before, during, and after marriage.
We believe in the therapy of sin.
We believe that adultery is fun.
We believe that sodomy’s OK.
We believe that taboos are taboo.
We believe that everything's getting better
despite evidence to the contrary.
The evidence must be investigated
And you can prove anything with evidence.
We believe there's something in horoscopes,
UFO's and bent spoons.
Jesus was a good man just like Buddha,
Mohammed, and ourselves.
He was a good moral teacher though we think
His good morals were very bad.
We believe that all religions are basically the same-
at least the one that we read was.
They all believe in love and goodness.
They only differ on matters of creation,
sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.
We believe that after death comes the Nothing
Because when you ask the dead what happens they say nothing.
If death is not the end, if the dead have lied, then its
compulsory heaven for all excepting perhaps
Hitler, Stalin, and Genghis Kahn
We believe in Masters and Johnson
What's selected is average.
What's average is normal.
What's normal is good.
We believe in total disarmament.
We believe there are direct links between warfare and bloodshed.
Americans should beat their guns into tractors .
And the Russians would be sure to follow.
We believe that man is essentially good.
It's only his behavior that lets him down.
This is the fault of society.
Society is the fault of conditions.
Conditions are the fault of society.
We believe that each man must find the truth that is right for him.
Reality will adapt accordingly.
The universe will readjust.
History will alter.
We believe that there is no absolute truth
excepting the truth that there is no absolute truth.
We believe in the rejection of creeds,
And the flowering of individual thought.
If chance be the Father of all flesh,
disaster is his rainbow in the sky
and when you hear:
"State of Emergency!"
"Sniper Kills Ten!"
"Troops on Rampage!"
"Whites go Looting!"
"Bomb Blasts School!"
It is but the sound of man worshipping his maker.
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from Orthodoxy
by G.K. Chesterston
“But the new rebel is a skeptic, and will not entirely trust anything. He has no loyalty; therefore he can never be really a revolutionist. And the fact that he doubts everything really gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything. For all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind; and the modern revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces, but the doctrine by which he denounces it. . . .
As a politician, he will cry out that war is a waste of life, and then, as a philosopher, that all life is waste of time. A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant, and then prove by the highest philosophical principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself. . . . The man of this school goes first to a political meeting, where he complains that savages are treated as if they were beasts; then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes on to a scientific meeting, where he proves that they practically are beasts.
In short, the modern revolutionist, being an infinite skeptic, is always engaged in undermining his own mines. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling on morality; in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men. Therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt. By rebelling against everything he has lost his right to rebel against anything.”
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religious meltdown
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religious meltdown
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MOS peddling his fairy tales. I really feel bad for MOS. What a life to live. I hope he wakes up and finds himself and realizes that all his worship is for nothing. What a waste.
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MOS peddling his fairy tales. I really feel bad for MOS. What a life to live. I hope he wakes up and finds himself and realizes that all his worship is for nothing. What a waste.
You read none of it.....few of you read anything I post LOL.
If it's more than a sentence or two...or not a text like reply it's skipped.
If I post a brief reply it's criticized for being too short. If I post a more exhaustive reply it's dismissed without reading as a "ramble".
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You read none of it.....few of you read anything I post LOL.
If it's more than a sentence of two...or not a text like reply it's skipped.
Read what? Its the same shit over and over and over again that religious people spew. What you post is pretty much the same that all religious zealots post. There is no difference, trust me. If you had some awe inspiring article or words to share, it would be groundbreaking. But youre the same as every other religious person. It all sounds the same.
As I said, you seem like a good guy, so I hope you wake up one day and stop believing in fairy tales.
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This so called non-existent entity called "God" sure does weigh heavily on the minds of Getbiggers.
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This so called non-existent entity called "God" sure does weigh heavily on the minds of Getbiggers.
Yes, because it has implications for all of us, especially when right winged religious nutjobs try to pass laws based on their religious belief. I am glad that there are people who really fight the separation of church vs state. I do not want to live in a theocracy.
Second, this is GB, so most post about religion or politics is purely for trolling purposed.
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Read what? Its the same shit over and over and over again that religious people spew. What you post is pretty much the same that all religious zealots post. There is no difference, trust me. If you had some awe inspiring article or words to share, it would be groundbreaking. But youre the same as every other religious person. It all sounds the same.
As I said, you seem like a good guy, so I hope you wake up one day and stop believing in fairy tales.
The day my message for Christ stops is basically the day I exit this life and meet my Savior face to face.
Although, have no fear LOL because after 3.5 years of sharing my faith with Getbiggers I'm now considering leaving the board permanently. Not because of this thread LOL (or any thread....this thread is just average "par for the course" stuff). I think I've just run my course. I won't start some cheesy "I'm retiring" thread.....send Ron a PM to de-mod me, logoff and that'll be that. I've been on this board for over 10 years now.
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The day my message for Christ stops is basically the day I exit this life and meet my Savior face to face.
Although, have no fear LOL because after 3.5 years of sharing my faith with Getbiggers I'm now considering leaving the board permanently. Not because of this thread LOL (or any thread....this thread is just average "par for the course" stuff). I think I've just run my course. I won't start some cheesy "I'm retiring" thread.....I'll just logoff, send Ron a PM to de-mod me and that'll be that. I've been on this board for over 10 years now.
And that is the sad part, that you will live your life for an imaginary being. I truly hope you wake up one day and look toward science for answers and not an imaginary being.
LOL @ taking a bodybuilding forum so seriously that you want to leave. ::) ::) Come and go and post just for fun. That's all it is. I do not get why people "leave." Its not like youre in an abusive relationship with a significant other and you need to get out asap. Post when you want to, and dont post when you need a break. I don't get why people "leave." Dont take the internet so seriously.
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Yes, because it has implications for all of us, especially when right winged religious nutjobs try to pass laws based on their religious belief. I am glad that there are people who really fight the separation of church vs state. I do not want to live in a theocracy.
Second, this is GB, so most post about religion or politics is purely for trolling purposed.
What about the left wing nutjobs? Are they not just as dangerous?
And from what it looks like, the "right wing religious nutjobs" are losing.
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The day my message for Christ stops is basically the day I exit this life and meet my Savior face to face.
Although, have no fear LOL because after 3.5 years of sharing my faith with Getbiggers I'm now considering leaving the board permanently. Not because of this thread LOL (or any thread....this thread is just average "par for the course" stuff). I think I've just run my course. I won't start some cheesy "I'm retiring" thread.....send Ron a PM to de-mod me, logoff and that'll be that. I've been on this board for over 10 years now.
alternatively you could keep your religion separate
and just come here for shits and giggles
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And that is the sad part, that you will live your life for an imaginary being. I truly hope you wake up one day and look toward science for answers and not an imaginary being.
LOL @ taking a bodybuilding forum so seriously that you want to leave. ::) ::) Come and go and post just for fun. That's all it is. I do not get why people "leave." Its not like youre in an abusive relationship with a significant other and you need to get out asap. Post when you want to, and dont post when you need a break. I don't get why people "leave." Dont take the internet so seriously.
The vast majority of humor is lost on me today honestly......5 years ago it was gravy and I was in the thick of it. I don't wanna be a 40 year old adolescent on this board.
I've already taken university level biology, genetics, physics, chemistry, organic chemistry, psychology, sociology, geology.........my passion is my faith and theology and this board grows that in a very backwards fashion LOL. I long for more direct learning, discussion and fellowship.....not just "debates" with atheists, agnostics and the occasional Muslim.
I haven't decided how to approach the situation.
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The vast majority of humor is lost on me today honestly......5 years ago it was gravy and I was in the thick of it. I don't wanna be a 40 year old adolescent on this board.
I've already taken university level biology, genetics, physics, chemistry, organic chemistry, psychology, sociology, geology.........my passion is my faith and theology and this board grows that in a very backwards fashion LOL. I long for more direct learning, discussion and fellowship.....not just "debates" with atheists, agnostics and the occasional Muslim.
I haven't decided how to approach the situation.
Translated as "I have become an old fuddy duddy"
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alternatively you could keep your religion separate
and just come here for shits and giggles
And thereinlies my problem.....my faith is all of me now.
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And thereinlies my problem.....my faith is all of me now.
thats unhealthy mate
i come here as an alternative to my real life
here i can switch my brain off and talk shit
thats the only use for this place
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Translated as "I have become an old fuddy duddy"
LOL.....maybe a little yes.
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And thereinlies my problem.....my faith is all of me now.
Take a break, we'll be here if you come back.
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The vast majority of humor is lost on me today honestly......5 years ago it was gravy and I was in the thick of it. I don't wanna be a 40 year old adolescent on this board.
I've already taken university level biology, genetics, physics, chemistry, organic chemistry, psychology, sociology, geology.........my passion is my faith and theology and this board grows that in a very backwards fashion LOL. I long for more direct learning, discussion and fellowship.....not just "debates" with atheists, agnostics and the occasional Muslim.
I haven't decided how to approach the situation.
Translation:
People do not believe as I do, therefore I am throwing a hissy fit and leaving the forums.
Youre a typical religious nutjob. Intolerant of other peoples beliefs and cannot be around people who are different. Therefore you huff and puff and leave.
If all of us said, "You are right MOS. We are all believers. You have changed us" you would not even think about leaving this board.
Religious people like youreself are the worst kind. Its even more pathetic that youre leaving because we do not believe as you do and are not bowing down to your "words of wisdom."
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thats unhealthy mate
i come here as an alternative to my real life
here i can switch my brain off and talk shit
thats the only use for this place
Mission accomplished. ;D
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Mission accomplished. ;D
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Take a break, we'll be here if you come back.
This. Happy trails, friend.
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If all of us said, "You are right MOS. We are all believers. You have changed us" you would not even think about leaving this board.
I've already experienced the distinct privilege of others coming to me privately and thanking me for my words and my testimony. Some have expressed a renewal of their faith in God and to be a part of that is a divine privilege that I cherish. What I share I do for the glory of Jesus Christ….not for MOS (I’m meaningless).
Although I've already expressed the following time and again and even within this thread:
As long as those on this board recognize that I represent Jesus Christ in my life no matter how inane you find my position I'm fine with that.
See, I pray for the members of this board almost daily...I've shed some tears for members of this board. But I am never.....I repeat NEVER.....under any delusion that I will change the minds of the staunchest atheists on this board. Your minds are made up.
So, why do I continue? A good man on this board asked me that privately yesterday.
I do it for those folks reading these threads that aren't speaking and that have not made a decision for Christ. I do it because I used to be like them....craving a voice that spoke for Jesus Christ unabashedly. I couldn't find many.....so I decided to become one myself for the glory of my Savior...the very one who answered my leap of faith with a resounding blast of his presence and forever changed me. Today I no longer "leap in faith".....my "faith" is solidified because God has revealed himself to me and others....and so desperately wants others to come unto him too. I'm sorry and forgive me, but I chuckle over the mocking comments like, "la la la, I have faith...I have faith....nothing else!" What some of you miss is that my faith has been perfectly solidified. I live in the type of faith that some of y'all mock only in reference to those promises of Jesus Christ that are still to come. But who is, what he's done........that faith is a different, mature category of faith some of you can't even fathom. Still, it's remains completely within the grasp of your fingertips if you would only surrender to his will for your lives.
For those that want to know the reality of Jesus Christ in their lives I post in these threads with the prayer for PMs from those members that want to know more.....and yesterday I received 3....hopefully tomorrow another 3.
What the staunch atheists of this board don't seem to realize is that your mocking, your insults, your memes, your pornographic images, your foul mouths, etc....draw attention to the threads and I use that attention to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to that larger audience not speaking that crave far more than what you and this world have to offer them.
So please, do your worst because it only broadens my little platform for Christ. I bid no one any ill will, I will continue to lift up the members of this board in prayer and I will never retaliate in kind because that doesn't represent Jesus Christ, my faith, my family or me as a man. You wanna slap my cheek? That's fine, I'll turn and give you the other one as well.
So fellas let the insults fly if you wanna.....I'm a big man with a heart connected to Jesus Christ and it is well with my soul. ;)
God bless!
MOS
Now this reply contains more than 10 words so you most likely won’t read it either....and that's fine.
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MOS a question
jesus vs allah in a street fight.
who wins and why?
honest question- who would come out on top? my money is on the raghead
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I truly hope you wake up one day and look toward science for answers and not an imaginary being.
I hope one day you realize that "science" is incapable of producing any answers
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and yet you are relying on science to treat your 'gay plague'.
if god beats science top taking your hiv drugs
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and yet you are relying on science to treat your 'gay plague'.
if god beats science top taking your hiv drugs
I've always subscribed to following in terms of my faith and "healing" in that God has provided 3 types:
1) Divine healing that some folks would interpret as a miracle (ex: Jesus healing the blind on the streets)
2) Ability within the body to heal itself as set forth by the creator (ex: the body being able to heal itself from a cold or flu with no outside assistance)
3) Healing via continually improving medical science via the gifts of knowledge, discernment and understanding that God has imparted to members of the scientific and medical community (LOL, we ain't all brainiacs....especially theists!! ;) ).
Certainly this isn't an exhaustive list, but general categories as I see it.
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Science which creates medicines and tools, science based on observed events, science with testable hypothesis' and accurate predictions for the future.... this is good science that works. Tho it does not answer any questions concerning the past (or about eternity)
"Science" that attempts to speak on unobserved events, "science" that results in untestable hypotheses... these are not science. Science never speak on the past, nor can it speak on eternity.
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Science which creates medicines and tools, science based on observed events, science with testable hypothesis' and accurate predictions for the future.... this is good science that works. Tho it does not answer any questions concerning the past (or about eternity)
"Science" that attempts to speak on unobserved events, "science" that results in untestable hypotheses... these are not science. Science never speak on the past, nor can it speak on eternity.
Of course it does, it just doesn't always conform to your preconceived theories. Works both ways, guy.
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Science is the development of tools through observation and experimentation which results in predictions concerning the future.
Anything outside of that is merely imaginative speculation.
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Science is the development of tools through observation and experimentation which results in predictions concerning the future.
Anything outside of that is merely imaginative speculation.
You have absolutely no idea of what you speak.
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You have absolutely no idea of what you speak.
tell me why
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You have absolutely no idea of what you speak.
You're talking to a guy who let complete strangers cum in his ass for money
You're expecting wisdom ?....LOL
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You have absolutely no idea of what you speak.
There are multiple definitions of the term "science" that different folks adhere to and typically the definitions fluctuate based upon how people "do science" and how badly they want to make their defensive argument work.
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There are multiple definitions of the term "science" that different folks adhere to and typically the definitions fluctuate based upon how people "do science" and how badly they want to make their defensive argument work.
all the early innovators were very religious
if you study your history some of the greats believed in alchemy
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all the early innovators were very religious
if you study your history some of the greats believed in alchemy
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/John_Dee_Ashmolean.jpg)
the first 007 ;)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/John_Dee_Ashmolean.jpg)
the first 007 ;)
they were talking about it on radio 5
about the theory of relativity etc
and how your mind has to work to come up with that shit
the greatest scientis ever was trying to turn lead into gold with magic
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You're talking to a guy who let complete strangers cum in his ass for money
You're expecting wisdom ?....LOL
I think this is a valid argument
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Translation:
People do not believe as I do, therefore I am throwing a hissy fit and leaving the forums.
Youre a typical religious nutjob. Intolerant of other peoples beliefs and cannot be around people who are different. Therefore you huff and puff and leave.
If all of us said, "You are right MOS. We are all believers. You have changed us" you would not even think about leaving this board.
Religious people like youreself are the worst kind. Its even more pathetic that youre leaving because we do not believe as you do and are not bowing down to your "words of wisdom."
I REALLY DON'T CARE TO HEAR FROM NON BELIEVERS LIKE YOU......YOU ARE JUST HERE TO SHAKE THINGS UP.......DON'T BAG ON PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAITH AND YOU DON'T.
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I REALLY DON'T CARE TO HEAR FROM NON BELIEVERS LIKE YOU......YOU ARE JUST HERE TO SHAKE THINGS UP.......DON'T BAG ON PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAITH AND YOU DON'T.
You mean, don't bag people because they're simpleminded enough to convince themselves of hocus pocus and sky fairies :D
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It appears it is you who has trouble dealing with differing opinions to yours. The truth torments you doesn't it? I was simply posting about the well known fact about the non efficacy of prayer. If you were a normal person I would find your response utterly bizarre, but you have made it clear the only reality you like to abide in is a fictional one of your own choosing. The irony of your post is I wasnt rude at all, and yet you have melted down in a torrent of rudeness and hostility, all of which is lost on me, as it simply serves to demonstrate the negative impact religion has on people and how intolerant they are.
You are as a child. Now we know. We all know.
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Like Man of Steel, The Scott seems like a really good guy, who just happens to hold different beliefs. I think he is probably wrong, but I don't get the hate at all.
Cheers, my friend.
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It always interests me that the vast majority of experts on prayer and those that simply mock prayer have no understanding of prayer or ever engage in prayer.
It always interests me that the vast majority of religious people suspend logic and rational thinking and pray to an imaginary friend in the sky, yet don't believe in the man in the North Pole. They are both made up stories, so why should I discriminate against Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny? Have faith that they exist. Sure, we never see them, but they MUST exist, because I believe that they do.
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It always interests me that the vast majority of religious people suspend logic and rational thinking and pray to an imaginary friend in the sky, yet don't believe in the man in the North Pole. They are both made up stories, so why should I discriminate against Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny? Have faith that they exist. Sure, we never see them, but they MUST exist, because I believe that they do.
Why do you believe I've suspended all logic and rational thinking? Is it possible that I (and many others) have experienced things that you have not?
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Why do you believe I've suspended all logic and rational thinking? Is it possible that I (and many others) have experienced things that you have not?
Religious people always claim they're special, they have this connection with this super power that "you do not" becuase you're not special and I am ::)
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Religious people always claim they're special, they have this connection with this super power that "you do not" becuase you're not special and I am ::)
Skorp1o, you used the word "special".....I did not.
From my post in this thread from yesterday:
I've already experienced the distinct privilege of others coming to me privately and thanking me for my words and my testimony. Some have expressed a renewal of their faith in God and to be a part of that is a divine privilege that I cherish.
What I share I do for the glory of Jesus Christ....not for MOS (I'm meaningless).
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Religion is based on fairy tales and science is based on facts but then a lot of speculation about the creation of the earth etc... The truth is no one knows and if and when people figure it out and know they'll fuck it all up anyways.
What I don't understand is how for 30000 years as scientists claim that humans trudged along doing fuck all then all of a sudden in 100 years went buckwild inventing the car, airplanes, computers all sorts of technologies etc... What were they doing for 30K years?
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Skorp1o, you used the word "special".....I did not.
From my post in this thread from yesterday:
I just hear many religious people claim God did this for me, God protected me from this and that, God spoke to me...etc as if they are some form of surperior human beings who get to speak to god and you don't. May be your tone was a little different but that's how it came across.
Anyways, I am an athiest, however, I repsect other peoples beliefs within reason. I use the word "within reason" as in a fanatic who beheads another person in the name of hos god and religion is not something I respect, or holding offensive plackards when US soldiers are being burried and their families grieving. If the belief helps you cope with your life and gives it a meaning then good for you.
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all the early innovators were very religious
if you study your history some of the greats believed in alchemy
This is correct.
Which folks believed in alchemy? That I don't know anything about.
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I just hear many religious people claim God did this for me, God protected me from this and that, God spoke to me...etc as if they are some form of surperior human beings who get to speak to god and you don't. May be your tone was a little different but that's how it came across.
Anyways, I am an athiest, however, I repsect other peoples beliefs within reason. I use the word "within reason" as in a fanatic who beheads another person in the name of hos god and religion is not something I respect. If the belief helps you cope with your life and gives it a meaning then good for you.
Human nature is to lay the blame on others and see themselves as more special than they really are.
One thing that drives me nuts are these candlelight vigils. What the fuck are they? Bunch of strangers holding candles pretending they cared about you.
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I just hear many religious people claim God did this for me, God protected me from this and that, God spoke to me...etc as if they are some form of surperior human beings who get to speak to god and you don't. May be your tone was a little different but that's how it came across.
Anyways, I am an athiest, however, I repsect other peoples beliefs within reason. I use the word "within reason" as in a fanatic who beheads another person in the name of hos god and religion is not something I respect, or holding offensive plackards when US soldiers are being burried and their families grieving. If the belief helps you cope with your life and gives it a meaning then good for you.
I hear you.
Let me ask you a question. Given who we are (you an atheist and me a believer) if I came to you said, "You're atheist position is pure fantasy and you're a moron for letting that nonsense fill your brain." Would I be showing you respect?
It seems you hold to a media driven perception of Islam via extremists cults and Christianity via Westboro Baptist Church. That's ok because for many that's all the "religion" they ever see.
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I hear you.
Let me ask you a question. Given who we are (you an atheist and me a believer) if I came to you said, "You're atheist position is pure fantasy and you're a moron for letting that nonsense fill your brain." Would I be showing you respect?
It seems you hold to a media driven perception of Islam via extremists cults and Christianity via Westboro Baptist Church.
Why does anyone have to give respect to someone elses belief? Why do religious folks think they deserve respect just because? You ask a religious person to show proof and they tell you it's faith. It seems like a cop out. If I wrote a book about a mystery man 1000 years ago who is the son of god names Bobby Boucher you would call me a fraud and crazy yet you blindly believe in the bible as the end all and be all. That the earth is 6000 years old, that dinosaurs never existed. Then you will argue that the world is not really 6000 years old which starts poking holes in your book that you pick and choose what to believe.
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Human nature is to lay the blame on others and see themselves as more special than they really are.
Based on the content of and discussion within this thread who in this thread represents this statement?
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Based on the content of and discussion within this thread who in this thread represents this statement?
Why is it when bad things happen people don't blame god but when good things happen they thank him?
Athletes that win will thank god. Ask an athlete on the losing team, do they blame god? You can pick and choose what you want to believe. Look at every bad thing that happened in your life. Was god to blame? Now look at the good things, do you thank god for them?
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Why does anyone have to give respect to someone elses belief? Why do religious folks think they deserve respect just because? You ask a religious person to show proof and they tell you it's faith. It seems like a cop out. If I wrote a book about a mystery man 1000 years ago who is the son of god names Bobby Boucher you would call me a fraud and crazy yet you blindly believe in the bible as the end all and be all. That the earth is 6000 years old, that dinosaurs never existed. Then you will argue that the world is not really 6000 years old which starts poking holes in your book that you pick and choose what to believe.
No has to show respect for anyone's beliefs, but these little caveats of "I respect others beliefs" is the real fairytale amongst all the criticism....people need to stop meandering back and forth. It's a personal choice to behave and treat others they way we do. Today's "era of tolerance" just isn't all that tolerant.....yet another fiction to make us feel progressive.
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Why is it when bad things happen people don't blame god but when good things happen they thank him?
Athletes that win will thank god. Ask an athlete on the losing team, do they blame god? You can pick and choose what you want to believe. Look at every bad thing that happened in your life. Was god to blame? Now look at the good things, do you thank god for them?
We can discuss your further questions, but if you don't mind I'd prefer to steer back to mine first.
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I hear you.
Let me ask you a question. Given who we are (you an atheist and me a believer) if I came to you said, "You're atheist position is pure fantasy and you're a moron for letting that nonsense fill your brain." Would I be showing you respect?
It seems you hold to a media driven perception of Islam via extremists cults and Christianity via Westboro Baptist Church. That's ok because for many that's all the "religion" they ever see.
There's a post on here today where a guy eats a baby to "protect" himself as gods and spirits told him to do so to protect himself from the evil child....you try and convince that guy that he is wrong and that you're right, good luck to anyone, this beliefs are a matter of opinion, if your eyes allow you to see an actual blue platform in purple, now one can convince you otherwise, its just the way you see it.
My vision is not based on extemist muslims, trust I'm from London, there's religious people with their attire 24/7 around me, what I am saying is that I tolerate the tollerant. I merely gave examples of what I don't tolerate, which you might agree are on the far end of the spectrum, hence I should be ok with 99% of religious people, right?
You can only prove to me that I am an idiot for being an Athiest if you can prove to me that God exists, furthermore, Atheism is not a belief, it is actually a lack of belief, I hold a neutral position.
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There's a post on here today where a guy eats a baby to "protect" himself as gods and spirits told him to do so to protect himself from the evil child....you try and convince that guy that he is wrong and that you're right.
My vision is not based on extemist muslims, trust I'm from London, there's religious people with their attire 24/7 around me, what I am saying is that I tolerate the tollerant. I merely gave examples of what I don't tolerate, which you might agree are on the far end of the spectrum, hence I should be ok with 99% of religious people, right?
You can only prove to me that I am an idiot for being an Athiest if you can prove to me that God exists, furthermore, Atheism is not a belief, it is actually a lack of belief, I hold a neutral position.
Respectfully, you didn't answer my question.
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Why is it when bad things happen people don't blame god but when good things happen they thank him?
Athletes that win will thank god. Ask an athlete on the losing team, do they blame god? You can pick and choose what you want to believe. Look at every bad thing that happened in your life. Was god to blame? Now look at the good things, do you thank god for them?
It's good to be humble in victory and stoic in defeat. Or so I hear.
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Based on the content of and discussion within this thread who in this thread represents this statement?
Anyone that believes in God see themselves as being more special than anyone else. The whole notiong of being the "chosen people", by have a higher power, by being able to pray and get what you want. That God created humans in his image. this whole notion is putting humans on a pedestal in this world.
When you talk to atheists do you feel sorry for them? Do you pray for them? Do you see yourself as more special?
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Respectfully, you didn't answer my question.
Respectfully, I have been told that many times, I know that the majority of religious persons believe that an Athiest is an idiot/moron who is going to burn in hell. This is a fact, may be in your church you take a milder stance, however, taking the religious populace as a whole, the statement I am making is true.
In all honesty, when you're an Athiest you are bewildered as to how can someone believe in angels and devils and Gods when theres as much evidence to support this as theere is evidence of the existence of Pinocchio, tooth fairy, fire breathing dragons and santa claus.
No, if I walked up to you and called you an idiot for believing in God, that's not showing repsect providing I instigated this conversation and the tone and language chosen was also an unjustified escalation. I couldn;t care less if someone believed in flying Lizards who control our countries and society, or someone who believes Jesus was sub-saharan Black.
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MOS (change your name by the way) why is it when religious people reference heaven or god they look up? Before humans realized that the earth wasn't this magical flat land that the sun orbited around, they beleived God lived in the clouds. Images of God are always in the clouds. Do you believe this? How about the devil? How many times is the devil mentioned in the bible? The devil is a church made boogey man to scare people to believe them or else the devil will get you. Did you know the devil was originally depicted as blue as the way hindus believed it but catholics realized blue wasn't scary enough so they made him red, added horns and a forked tail to make him scarier.
If the bible is the end all of religions then why can christians even believe in the same thing. How many variations are there from Roman catholic, greek orthodox, anglican, lutheran, presibiterian, southern baptist, baptist, evangelical etc.... Each one will tell you something different about the bible.
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Man of Steel, as an atheist am I going to go to hell when I die? I assume the answer is yes.
You said you know some nice, respectful people who are atheists, what do you think about them burning in hell for eternity?
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Anyone that believes in God see themselves as being more special than anyone else. The whole notion of being the "chosen people", by have a higher power, by being able to pray and get what you want. That God created humans in his image. this whole notion is putting humans on a pedestal in this world.
When you talk to atheists do you feel sorry for them?
Do you pray for them?
Do you see yourself as more special?
Well, I’m sorry you feel that way about believers, but it simply isn’t an absolute truth as you claim.
I understand you dislike the word “chosen” because you feel it implies an undeserved quality of “being special”. Still, I would agree with you in that there’s nothing special about believers.
The Israelites were God’s chosen people not because they were inherently special, but because Abraham surrendered himself to God and had righteousness credited to him by God because of it. His descendants were then promised to become a powerful nation that were chosen to fulfill a purpose in service of God….no more, no less. There is nothing inherently special about any followers of Jesus Christ. In fact there are only four folks in scripture that God blessed throughout their lives (and could be considered “special”): Samson (who wasted his life), Samuel, John the Baptist and the incarnate Son of God in Jesus Christ.
When I talk to atheists do I feel sorry for them? Sometimes yes because I would love for them to experience Christ’s love and they reject it. Most times atheists simply frustrate me.
Do I pray for atheists? I pray for both believers and nonbelievers so yes.
Do I see myself as more special?
I've already experienced the distinct privilege of others coming to me privately and thanking me for my words and my testimony. Some have expressed a renewal of their faith in God and to be a part of that is a divine privilege that I cherish. What I share I do for the glory of Jesus Christ….not for MOS (I’m meaningless).
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Respectfully, I have been told that many times, I know that the majority of religious persons believe that an Athiest is an idiot/moron who is going to burn in hell. This is a fact, may be in your church you take a milder stance, however, taking the religious populace as a whole, the statement I am making is true.
In all honesty, when you're an Athiest you are bewildered as to how can someone believe in angels and devils and Gods when theres as much evidence to support this as theere is evidence of the existence of Pinocchio, tooth fairy, fire breathing dragons and santa claus.
No, if I walked up to you and called you an idiot for believing in God, that's not showing repsect providing I instigated this conversation and the tone and language chosen was also an unjustified escalation. I couldn;t care less if someone believed in flying Lizards who control our countries and society, or someone who believes Jesus was sub-saharan Black.
You are correct, many religious persons do feel that way about atheists, but they’re also wrong for feeling that way and acting upon those feelings in a negative manner.
Please, make no mistake, I have no soft position on scripture. I can do “hell, fire and brimstone” just fine LOL, but I disagree with the approach completely. I don’t believe you win folks to Christ with an presentation of fear and condemnation.
I can talk evidence all day (and I have…..many times…..repeatedly…..for years), but I can’t force you to accept it. I can lead you to the very proof of God, but I can’t force anyone to surrender to his will either. If you choose “NO GOD FOR ME” I don’t prefer that and I will do my very best to plainly state that I wholeheartedly would love for you to desire to know Christ, but I can’t force that desire out of you.
In the end I choose to respect your choices and I do so without insults, jabs or potshots.
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MOS (change your name by the way) why is it when religious people reference heaven or god they look up?
Should I change it to “MOS”?
God’s heaven is the “third heaven”.
The first heaven are the clouds and upper atmosphere. The second heaven is the universe beyond earth. The third heaven exists beyond the universe….God’s spiritual realm where he dwells. There is no man in the clouds as depicted in fairytales and other literature. That frequently cited notion is simply based on scriptural ignorance.
Before humans realized that the earth wasn't this magical flat land that the sun orbited around, they beleived God lived in the clouds. Images of God are always in the clouds. Do you believe this?
No I do not, but I do believe that all men recognize God within his creation whether they acknowledge that fact outright or attempt to suppress it completely.
How about the devil? How many times is the devil mentioned in the bible? The devil is a church made boogey man to scare people to believe them or else the devil will get you.
I don’t know how many times the enemy of God is mentioned in scripture.
Did you know the devil was originally depicted as blue as the way hindus believed it but catholics realized blue wasn't scary enough so they made him red, added horns and a forked tail to make him scarier.
No I did not know that.
If the bible is the end all of religions then why can christians even believe in the same thing?
How many variations are there from Roman catholic, greek orthodox, anglican, lutheran, presibiterian, southern baptist, baptist, evangelical etc.... Each one will tell you something different about the bible
So you’re questioning why there are multiple denominations. Point of fact, the majority of Christian denominations agree on the foundations of scripture in salvation, the trinity, Jesus Christ, the resurrection, etc…..this is the core of scripture. This agreement goes back to the council of Nicea (which I can discuss further if you’d like).
Where denominations differ are on the non-essential or lesser aspects of scripture that impact styles of worship.
Now there is a definite difference in theology between Catholics and Protestants. Catholics put the papacy of Rome ahead of scripture (“sola Roma”) and approach scripture from a more isogetical perspective while Protestants put scripture ahead of the church (“sola scriptura”) and approach scriptural study from a more exogetical position (this comment might get some heat LOL).
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Man of Steel, as an atheist am I going to go to hell when I die? I assume the answer is yes.
You said you know some nice, respectful people who are atheists, what do you think about them burning in hell for eternity?
Discussing hell is never an easy topic to deal with….I don’t enjoy it. Not because it can’t be dealt with, but because with all my heart I don’t wish it upon anyone. Christ discussed it often in his ministry….he drove the point home. Still, those that enter eternity and spend it separated from God did so out of choice.
No matter how nice we may be if we reject God, reject his standards, reject his laws, reject his gift of salvation, reject his blessings, reject his promises and willfully (and woefully) offend him he will still honor that personal choice of rejection and let us choose our sin over his grace. Although that choice involves spending an eternity in a hell in which all of God’s attributes are removed.....no love, no grace, no mercy, no hope, no protection, no promise…..all gone. What you have left is a Godless condition filled with the utterly reprobate and those that simply rejected God. Are there literal flames in hell? Absolutely. Do I think everyone that enters hell will be subject to them directly for all eternity…..I don’t believe so (each will be judged accordingly). I think the true hell will come at the judgment when those that rejected God come to realize the gravity of their choice and are then given exactly what they wanted for all eternity.
I’ve encountered plenty of very nice atheists that would also welcome the chance to spit in the face of Jesus Christ. So, as hard as it is to discuss hell and as much as I want no one to enter it, I’m without the ability to prevent it if God’s grace is spat upon.
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Discussing hell is never an easy topic to deal with….I don’t enjoy it.
First of all thanks for your response, that's about what I expected I guess.
When you said, "spit in the face of Jesus" I assume you meant that as a metaphor for not believing in him, rather than would actually spit in his face if they met him. As an atheist I believe Jesus lived but would have no animosity toward him.
Although I make crude jokes on Getbig I actually live a moral life. I don't steal, don't cheat on my wife, I follow most of the 10 commandments just out of common sense and courtesy. Yet I will burn in hell as my lack of a belief in God is my choice.
Someone can rape, torture and kill hundreds of women and children. They can do any heinous crime they want, but then before death genuinely accept Jesus into their heart and they will have a nice seat in Heaven. This is because Jesus died on the cross to forgive us for all of our sins except for non-belief. Even Hitler, as long as he worships God he's in.
If you were God, would you keep it the same way?
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First of all thanks for your response, that's about what I expected I guess.
When you said, "spit in the face of Jesus" I assume you meant that as a metaphor for not believing in him, rather than would actually spit in his face if they met him. As an atheist I believe Jesus lived but would have no animosity toward him.
Although I make crude jokes on Getbig I actually live a moral life. I don't steal, don't cheat on my wife, I follow most of the 10 commandments just out of common sense and courtesy. Yet I will burn in hell as my lack of a belief in God is my choice.
Someone can rape, torture and kill hundreds of women and children. They can do any heinous crime they want, but then before death genuinely accept Jesus into their heart and they will have a nice seat in Heaven. This is because Jesus died on the cross to forgive us for all of our sins except for non-belief. Even Hitler, as long as he worships God he's in.
If you were God, would you keep it the same way?
“Spit in the face of Jesus” as a pure metaphor? For most yes, for some no….they mean it literally and completely…..and some of these are the “nice ones” LOL.
So often when we discuss hell, sin, judgment and the justice of God we often refer to Hitler, rapists and baby torturers. Am I making light of the evil within those folks? Absolutely not.
Here’s the thing, within scripture we see several examples of the truly reprobate in society going to their graves never once feeling a shred of guilt or remorse. Hitler is no exception, but what you stated is true regardless. The reality is that the truly reprobate…..the utterly evil…….don’t have deathbed conversions. I honestly can’t think of one and even if one is documented God knows the contents of who we are and he is fully just and righteous…..he knows the fakes from the genuine article.
I hear you, but following most of the 10 commandments is not enough to align yourself with God…..all of our sin must be dealt with as mandated by God and only through Jesus Christ is that possible…..it’s why he came.
If I were God would I keep it the same way? From the perspective of a finite man I’d probably wipe out the human garbage of this world, but I can’t see beyond that finite perspective to grasp the infinite implications. Would I truly be just in doing so?
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Respectfully, I made a statement about those that mock prayer yet have never engaged in prayer, but somehow they know it's a false practice.
I don't practice necromancy, tasseography, crystal gazing or astrology either and I know they're all false, bullshit practices. Why is your particular method of supernatural communication any different?
Please, make no mistake, I have no soft position on scripture. I can do “hell, fire and brimstone” just fine LOL, but I disagree with the approach completely. I don’t believe you win folks to Christ with an presentation of fear and condemnation.
But isn't fear and condemnation the trump card of most religions in general and yours in particular? After all, it is, when all is said and done, entirely based around the threat of a bully that says "repent or else!" With the threat established, does it then matter if you speak the threat out loud and make it explicit or just wink and leave it implicit by not speaking those words?
You see, this is an important question. Christianity is represented as a religion of love and the Christian God as one that loves us all so boundlessly that he would sacrifice himself for us. But if those representations are true, what we're left with is a chain of almost irreconcilable contradictions:
- a God that claims to love us without bounds, but alas, not enough to save us unconditionally;
- a God that wants us to worship him but who doesn't unconditionally establish his existence;
- a God that claims to be all good, omnipotent and omnipresent but will allow terrible evils to occur;
- a God that claims we have free will but who knows what we will do;
- a God that created the rules under which we are to be punished and who, instead of changing the rules and saving everyone, decides to sacrifice himself to himself so that only a subset of us will be saved.
I submit to you that your God, if he were real, is at best psychotic.
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Discussing hell is never an easy topic to deal with….I don’t enjoy it. Not because it can’t be dealt with, but because with all my heart I don’t wish it upon anyone. Christ discussed it often in his ministry….he drove the point home. Still, those that enter eternity and spend it separated from God did so out of choice.
No matter how nice we may be if we reject God, reject his standards, reject his laws, reject his gift of salvation, reject his blessings, reject his promises and willfully (and woefully) offend him he will still honor that personal choice of rejection and let us choose our sin over his grace. Although that choice involves spending an eternity in a hell in which all of God’s attributes are removed.....no love, no grace, no mercy, no hope, no protection, no promise…..all gone. What you have left is a Godless condition filled with the utterly reprobate and those that simply rejected God. Are there literal flames in hell? Absolutely. Do I think everyone that enters hell will be subject to them directly for all eternity…..I don’t believe so (each will be judged accordingly). I think the true hell will come at the judgment when those that rejected God come to realize the gravity of their choice and are then given exactly what they wanted for all eternity.
I’ve encountered plenty of very nice atheists that would also welcome the chance to spit in the face of Jesus Christ. So, as hard as it is to discuss hell and as much as I want no one to enter it, I’m without the ability to prevent it if God’s grace is spat upon.
What about people that don't have contact with Christianity:
An animist living isolated in Africa or Siberia.
I guess those people go to hell too?
"God has a plan" Some plan. ::)
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TTT
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You see, this is an important question. Christianity is represented as a religion of love and the Christian God as one that loves us all so boundlessly that he would sacrifice himself for us. But if those representations are true, what we're left with is a chain of almost irreconcilable contradictions:
A God that wants us to worship him but who doesn't unconditionally establish his existence.
Clear up this ONE, I could maybe reconcile the rest.
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fuck off you retarded prick
men are talking
;D
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What about people that don't have contact with Christianity:
An animist living isolated in Africa or Siberia.
I guess those people go to hell too?
"God has a plan" Some plan. ::)
A post from a couple months back that addresses your comments:
This is a big question. First, I must offer that scripture is not completely clear on this issue in that it is not laid out in one book, chapter or passage of scripture.
Further, this question often focuses directly or indirectly on 5 categories of people:
- those of the old testament that came before Christ
- those in general that have never heard the gospel of Christ
- those born into cultures with non-Christian religions/faiths
- children and babies
- mentally handicapped individuals
The first category concerns those folks of OT that never new Christ. If Christ is the “way, truth and life” and only through him is salvation attained how can OT believers in God attain salvation? As it states in scripture, Abraham believed in God and to him was credited righteousness…..it was Abraham’s faith that was key despite Mosaic law not yet being given to man. The Israelites given Mosaic law atoned for their sins and were aligned with God via the sacrifice of the prime specimens of their herds and flocks. The blood atonement acted as a temporary covering for sin until Christ came and provided the ultimate sacrifice on calvary’s cross that paid the debt for all sins past, present and future.
The second and third category concerns those in general that have never heard the gospel of Christ and those born into cultures raised in non-Christian religions/faiths . Here we look to the primary traits of God in love, grace, justice and mercy. This is not an exhaustive list of God’s traits, but those most often associated with him. It’s within God’s justice that we find the word “just”. God’s justice is grounded in him being just in that he will always do what is good and correct. It was the apostle Paul that said all people instinctively know of God’s existence through his creation and that people that don’t know God instinctively know his law as their consciences and thoughts accuse them of wrong doing or tell them they are doing right. Given that God is a just God he will judge those persons that have never heard the gospel according to what has been revealed to them and according to how righteously they lived. In this instance I must trust in the righteous justice of God since he has already revealed his love, grace and mercy to me. On a sidenote, I wanted to mention that Buddha was born into the Hindu culture and of his own volition rejected the caste sytem and formed his own path of enlightenment.
The fourth and fifth categories concern children and the mentally handicapped. I group them together given their inherent innocence. When I read about King David’s child with Bathsheba passing away and David suggesting that as a believer he would he see his child again in God’s kingdom it affirmed for me the innocence of children and others with disabilities that prevent them from making an honest choice about sin and Christ in their lives. They don’t need salvation because being saved by grace through Christ means we are saved from the wrath/judgment of God. The innocents need not fear God’s wrath for they are without blame or need for judgment. “Jesus called a little child to him and put the child among them. Then he said, ‘I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven. So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.’” Christ also indicated how severely those that cause the children (the little ones) to fall into sin would be judged. The children are lead into sin and out of innocence. Further, the primary attributes of God (justice, love, grace and mercy) don’t jive together if the innocents are separated eternally from him after their death. As believers in Christ we are saved by grace through faith and thereby justified and deemed righteous….like the innocents who are inherently righteous we become like the them through Christ.
I should note that this is why outreach and missionary work is so crucial in today's churches. What's the point of believing in Christ if believers sit idle and not share his good news?
Again, this isn’t an exhaustive reply, but here it is for what it’s worth.
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I don't practice necromancy, tasseography, crystal gazing or astrology either and I know they're all false, bullshit practices. Why is your particular method of supernatural communication any different?
But isn't fear and condemnation the trump card of most religions in general and yours in particular? After all, it is, when all is said and done, entirely based around the threat of a bully that says "repent or else!" With the threat established, does it then matter if you speak the threat out loud and make it explicit or just wink and leave it implicit by not speaking those words?
You see, this is an important question. Christianity is represented as a religion of love and the Christian God as one that loves us all so boundlessly that he would sacrifice himself for us. But if those representations are true, what we're left with is a chain of almost irreconcilable contradictions:
- a God that claims to love us without bounds, but alas, not enough to save us unconditionally;
- a God that wants us to worship him but who doesn't unconditionally establish his existence;
- a God that claims to be all good, omnipotent and omnipresent but will allow terrible evils to occur;
- a God that claims we have free will but who knows what we will do;
- a God that created the rules under which we are to be punished and who, instead of changing the rules and saving everyone, decides to sacrifice himself to himself so that only a subset of us will be saved.
I submit to you that your God, if he were real, is at best psychotic.
Thought this thread was fully died and low and behold it clings to life LOL!!
When I get an extra minute I'll be sure and respond. Hope all is well!!
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I don't practice necromancy, tasseography, crystal gazing or astrology either and I know they're all false, bullshit practices. Why is your particular method of supernatural communication any different?
In essence, what makes my brand of faith unique?
The foundation of my faith is found in Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection. The proof of my solid foundation of faith is found in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in me that came about by faith. This same proof of God can be experienced and understood by anyone that humbly desires to know God and simply beliefs in his act on Calvary’s cross.
God’s revelatory acts are based on his terms, not ours. Everyone wants the revelation first, but that’s not how it works. You must be willing to step out in faith given the evidence for Jesus Christ and your own personal desire to know him.
But isn't fear and condemnation the trump card of most religions in general and yours in particular?
I won’t speak for other religions, but I will speak on behalf of Christianity. Are fear and condemnation the “trump cards” for some believers? Yes. In some cases it’s not only the “trump card” it’s also the only tactic employed. And I don’t agree with the approach.
After all, it is, when all is said and done, entirely based around the threat of a bully that says "repent or else!" With the threat established, does it then matter if you speak the threat out loud and make it explicit or just wink and leave it implicit by not speaking those words?
I’ve often seen Christ’s ministry twisted from “come unto me” into “repent or else”.
When I see examples of lucid folks threatening one another I see that threat made out of either need, desperation or both. The only instances of threats being made out of pure “want” are those of psychotics. When you casually replace Jesus Christ’s desire to engage in a loving relationship with his creation with a manufactured desire for him to psychotically punish his creation you can formulate a case for yourself.
Well, as you and I have discussed before God needs nothing from us. Since he needs nothing from us then that leaves a possible psychotic condition as the foundation for the threat. Psychosis is a mental impairment or limitation of our mental capacity; although God’s nature is transcendent, infinite, limitless and divine. It can never be subject to our finite physical and mental limitations.
So, why would an infinite God need to threaten a finite creation?
You see, this is an important question. Christianity is represented as a religion of love and the Christian God as one that loves us all so boundlessly that he would sacrifice himself for us. But if those representations are true, what we're left with is a chain of almost irreconcilable contradictions:
- a God that claims to love us without bounds, but alas, not enough to save us unconditionally;
- a God that wants us to worship him but who doesn't unconditionally establish his existence;
- a God that claims to be all good, omnipotent and omnipresent but will allow terrible evils to occur;
- a God that claims we have free will but who knows what we will do;
- a God that created the rules under which we are to be punished and who, instead of changing the rules and saving everyone, decides to sacrifice himself to himself so that only a subset of us will be saved.
I submit to you that your God, if he were real, is at best psychotic.
You’ll have to forgive me, but I started responding to your list of “irreconcilable contradictions” point by point and then I just stopped writing and deleted my responses because I have addressed these or versions of these points so many times before. Some points have even been addressed in this very thread.
I had already responded to points 1, 2 and 4 and was working on point 3 “problem of evil” and then I just stopped (LOL, this point has literally been written about for centuries).
While responding I had noted "Christ's shed blood for our sins" and then I stopped and thought "he'll just ask again 'why shed blood at all?'," and I've already addressed that point before also LOL.
I could literally write all day on some of this stuff and/or scour my post history for old replies, but I’m out of gas today when it comes to rehashing. Further I could do all of that and receive nothing more than a reply of “b.s.” at the end. Now, I don’t expect that of you and I respect your words, but someone else might LOL. Maybe I’ll feel differently about it later on.
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In essence, what makes my brand of faith unique?
The foundation of my faith is found in Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection. The proof of my solid foundation of faith is found in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in me that came about by faith. This same proof of God can be experienced and understood by anyone that humbly desires to know God and simply beliefs in his act on Calvary’s cross.
But how is that quantifiably any different from other people's faith in something else? The answer is it's not. And there's nothing wrong with that, but the fact is that you cannot prove that the particular rituals of your faith are any more effective than the rituals of some other randomly chosen faith or even of a faith that I just made up on the spot.
God’s revelatory acts are based on his terms, not ours. Everyone wants the revelation first, but that’s not how it works. You must be willing to step out in faith given the evidence for Jesus Christ and your own personal desire to know him.
Of course. And it's quite the convenient arrangement, is it not? I first have to believe in our God without any evidence before evidence can even be presented... Would you fall for this: "There's an invisible elf sitting next to me. You cannot see it, hear it, touch it, smell it or perceive it in any way. But if you have faith that it actually is there, then I can provide proof to you that it exists."
I won’t speak for other religions, but I will speak on behalf of Christianity. Are fear and condemnation the “trump cards” for some believers? Yes. In some cases it’s not only the “trump card” it’s also the only tactic employed. And I don’t agree with the approach.
It's not an approach “trump card.” It's the essence of Christianity's proposition: either you believe, repent and worship in which case all is good, or you don't in which case you're screwed.
When I see examples of lucid folks threatening one another I see that threat made out of either need, desperation or both. The only instances of threats being made out of pure “want” are those of psychotics. When you casually replace Jesus Christ’s desire to engage in a loving relationship with his creation with a manufactured desire for him to psychotically punish his creation you can formulate a case for yourself.
The God of the Bible punishes his creation repeatedly and the Book of Revelations quite explicitly states that a punishment is coming and it will be not only severe but quite final. I'm not putting any words into Christ's mouth than the authors of the Bible haven't already put there.
Well, as you and I have discussed before God needs nothing from us.
As you and I have discussed before, we need a definition for the term "God" before we can even begin trying to understand what God needs from us, or anyone else.
Since he needs nothing from us [...]
Except worship?
[...] then that leaves a possible psychotic condition as the foundation for the threat. Psychosis is a mental impairment or limitation of our mental capacity; although God’s nature is transcendent, infinite, limitless and divine. It can never be subject to our finite physical and mental limitations.
And yet, this transcendent, infinite, limitless and divine being, a being that you claim personifies infinite love, is so consumed by anger and hate that he wanted to destroy the Israelites (until Moses, a non-transcendent, finite, non-divine being, intervened (Exodus 32) and calmed him down, causing him to "repent[ed] of the evil which he thought to do unto his people") and he claims that he will sentence those who don't believe in and worship him to eternal punishment and torment.
The words of the Bible make your transcendent, infinite, limitless, divine God sounds very limited, finite, emotional and, yes, even human. Why, then, would he also not have human issues?
So, why would an infinite God need to threaten a finite creation?
Great question - if only he could answer us...
You’ll have to forgive me, but I started responding to your list of “irreconcilable contradictions” point by point and then I just stopped writing and deleted my responses because I have addressed these or versions of these points so many times before. Some points have even been addressed in this very thread.
I had already responded to points 1, 2 and 4 and was working on point 3 “problem of evil” and then I just stopped (LOL, this point has literally been written about for centuries).
It has - pity that the answers haven't been satisfactory, isn't it?
While responding I had noted "Christ's shed blood for our sins" and then I stopped and thought "he'll just ask again 'why shed blood at all?'," and I've already addressed that point before also LOL.
I would have... we've had danced to this song before, you and I. It's another question that hasn't been sufficiently answered.
I could literally write all day on some of this stuff and/or scour my post history for old replies, but I’m out of gas today when it comes to rehashing. Further I could do all of that and receive nothing more than a reply of “b.s.” at the end. Now, I don’t expect that of you and I respect your words, but someone else might LOL. Maybe I’ll feel differently about it later on.
Thanks for the civilized discussion.
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A post from a couple months back that addresses your comments:
Translation:
You believe animist, totemist, and other native beliefs lead to burning in hell for all eternity.
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Anybody on here tried to communicate with deceased relatives? I asked them to move certain objects in the room and it worked. :'(
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Anybody on here tried to communicate with deceased relatives? I asked them to move certain objects in the room and it worked. :'(
Really, J? They moved?
Jesus.
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Really, J? They moved?
Jesus.
I'm serious! You should try it.
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I'm serious! You should try it.
Ok, pal. Do I need a Ouija board?
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But how is that quantifiably any different from other people's faith in something else? The answer is it's not. And there's nothing wrong with that, but the fact is that you cannot prove that the particular rituals of your faith are any more effective than the rituals of some other randomly chosen faith or even of a faith that I just made up on the spot.
Of course. And it's quite the convenient arrangement, is it not? I first have to believe in our God without any evidence before evidence can even be presented... Would you fall for this: "There's an invisible elf sitting next to me. You cannot see it, hear it, touch it, smell it or perceive it in any way. But if you have faith that it actually is there, then I can provide proof to you that it exists."
It's not an approach “trump card.” It's the essence of Christianity's proposition: either you believe, repent and worship in which case all is good, or you don't in which case you're screwed.
The God of the Bible punishes his creation repeatedly and the Book of Revelations quite explicitly states that a punishment is coming and it will be not only severe but quite final. I'm not putting any words into Christ's mouth than the authors of the Bible haven't already put there.
As you and I have discussed before, we need a definition for the term "God" before we can even begin trying to understand what God needs from us, or anyone else.
Except worship?
And yet, this transcendent, infinite, limitless and divine being, a being that you claim personifies infinite love, is so consumed by anger and hate that he wanted to destroy the Israelites (until Moses, a non-transcendent, finite, non-divine being, intervened (Exodus 32) and calmed him down, causing him to "repent[ed] of the evil which he thought to do unto his people") and he claims that he will sentence those who don't believe in and worship him to eternal punishment and torment.
The words of the Bible make your transcendent, infinite, limitless, divine God sounds very limited, finite, emotional and, yes, even human. Why, then, would he also not have human issues?
Great question - if only he could answer us...
It has - pity that the answers haven't been satisfactory, isn't it?
I would have... we've had danced to this song before, you and I. It's another question that hasn't been sufficiently answered.
Thanks for the civilized discussion.
I'm going to consider your replies thoroughly and also locate some of my previous postings in my post history to assist me.
It's much easier to copy and paste than write out 5000 new words......I hope I don't write 5000 words LOL!!
It's always a million times easier to ask several questions or make several brief comments than it is to respond with good, concise yet semi-exhaustive explanations. But I'm on this side of it so I'll suck it up!
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I'm going to consider your replies thoroughly and also locate some of my previous postings in my post history to assist me.
It's much easier to copy and paste than write out 5000 new words......I hope I don't write 5000 words LOL!!
It's always a million times easier to ask several questions or make several brief comments than it is to respond with good, concise yet semi-exhaustive explanations. But I'm on this side of it so I'll suck it up!
have you considered being concise and to the point
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have you considered being concise and to the point
Nope, never considered that.
I'm going to consider your replies thoroughly and also locate some of my previous postings in my post history to assist me.
It's much easier to copy and paste than write out 5000 new words......I hope I don't write 5000 words LOL!!
It's always a million times easier to ask several questions or make several brief comments than it is to respond with good, concise yet semi-exhaustive explanations. But I'm on this side of it so I'll suck it up!
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Nope, never considered that.
Id stop reading the 100000000 word replies so missed that
my sincerest apologies
man of "pies" :-*
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Id stop reading the 100000000 word replies so missed that
my sincerest apologies
man of "pies" :-*
This is generation text, FB and "get to the point".....anything over 10 words and people have no patience.
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I'm serious! You should try it.
You're so lazy you're forcing your dead relatives to pick up the remote while you eat Cheetos and watch your Game of Thrones marathon - pathetic
They are laughing at your puny biceps from the otherside
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This is generation text, FB and "get to the point".....anything over 10 words and people have no patience.
i read a book every week
i hunger for words
if the tale must be told tell it well
and the words will be forever burned into the hearts and souls of men every where
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i read a book every week
i hunger for words
if the tale must be told tell it well
and the words will be forever burned into the hearts and souls of men every where
I'm a reader too, but my style is different I'll read 4-5 books at once over a few months (I'm a slow reader and have reread things to grasp it). Still, I'm like a puppy in a yard.....can't focus on one thing for long time LOL......."oh there's a ball! there's a cat!! there's a leaf!!"
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i read a book every week
i hunger for words
if the tale must be told tell it well
and the words will be forever burned into the hearts and souls of men every where
That was gay as hell.
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That was gay as hell.
you think reading is gay ???
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you think reading is gay ???
No the statement that you made. Little to serious for the subject matter.
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No the statement that you made. Little to serious for the subject matter.
i am very eloquent shizlets
an urban poet letting my lyrics flow over get big like honeyed wine
read them and weep big guy read them and weep 8)
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Ok, pal. Do I need a Ouija board?
No, that could be dangerous