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Basically Tren Ace face bloat is when your face(specifically your cheeks) will swell up but you will become dry everywhere else on your body, I've noticed this happens to me when I'm on winstrol too. This is actually "Tren face" the phrase in which the legendary gh15 coined.
You can instantly tell when someone is on tren because of the tren face, it's a distinct look.
For most people it will make your face look weird and could deduct points from your overall look.
It seems people who naturally have chubby cheeks and high cheekbones and are goodlooking can say goodbye to their good looks and hello to fat chubby cheeks because because they will "puff up" on treen.
If you have a typical caucasian face, thin lips, narrow face, and crude looking features this may not effect you as much.
That's why It's best to be as lean as you can before you start these compounds so you won't notice it as much.
Examples of tren face:
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5550853&d=1364236371)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j9xuGImtlZQ/UuR9QX0Qz2I/AAAAAAAAzbg/xiAxRLsrS5M/s1600/2014+01-24+aaron+clark+01.jpg)
(http://img.youtube.com/vi/wVMbZTGXxW4/0.jpg) (http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/matt_ogus_bloated_face.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QVl9un592co/hqdefault.jpg)
Here are other tren users who have dealt with this Tren face bloat:
How many of you get swollen face when you run certain anabolic steroids? I'm using trenbolone now and My face is swollen worse then it was on NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - . And it's not from water because I am using aromasin and caber. I'm starting to look forward to the end of the cycle cuz it looks ridiculous -___-
There are these pockets underneath my eyes, along with eye bags, that give me a babyface appearance. My jawline is strong and my cheeks are always pronounced. With e2 bloat or similar water bloat I get a double chin, my whole face bloats out. When I notice, for the sake of argument, ill call it tren bloat for now..I also feel like complete dirt, fatigue, kind of out of it. Sleep could be better to be honest..but I dont believe thats the issue. These "pockets" are definitely water. If I drop the tren..they disappear within 4 to 7 days.
After cycling with tren ace for the first time ever my face suddenly ballooned up and is either holding massive amounts of water or fat. I have used topical diuretics, dieted low carb/low sodium, used the sauna, dieted with cardio added t3/clen/Gh etc for that last little bit of stubborn fat pockets managing to get to very low bf%. I have had veins every where however nothing has stopped my face from looking as if I am packing acorns in my cheeks and fat throughout my face and neck.
my vascularity is stupidly high.. i have veins in places i had when i was on stage and i'm 10% bodyfat now.. But the problem is the swolen face and that thing hits me even after the first injection... I'll do another bloodwork and see how high my alergy enzymes are. Bump for more exp
Anyone else get this?/have experience dealing with this?
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Did the kid that Centopani smacked shave his head and go full Gomer Pyle from Full Metal Jacket?
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It's a misconception that certain steroids don't cause water retention. They, Winstrol, tren etc, are not diuretics like some seem to think, quite the opposite.
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(http://s8.postimg.org/3wccnxpzp/b0ffe6bdc6f76f7329c0377e11399b8f_copy.jpg)
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It's a misconception that certain steroids don't cause water retention. They, Winstrol, tren etc, are not diuretics like some seem to think, quite the opposite.
Really? This is quite fascinating, I wish you could expand on this.
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Really? This is quite fascinating, I wish you could expand on this.
All anabolic steroids cause water retention, through sodium retention and other mechanisms. Another popular misconception is that the water retention from testosterone is from the elevated estrogen only which is completely false.
If an anabolic steroid didn't cause any water retention it wouldn't cause hardly any quick weight gain as actual muscle protein takes time to build and register on a scale.
But even something like Anavar or Winstrol will cause quick weight gain, even if relatively small. It's "all" water.
You want to get as dry as possible for show or whatever, quit all steroids for a period of time. Of course you will also lose some of the fullness (water). It's a balancing act.
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All anabolic steroids cause water retention, through sodium retention and other mechanisms. Another popular misconception is that the water retention from testosterone is from the elevated estrogen only which is completely false.
If an anabolic steroid didn't cause any water retention it wouldn't cause hardly any quick weight gain as actual muscle protein takes time to build and register on a scale.
But even something like Anavar or Winstrol will cause quick weight gain, even if relatively small. It's "all" water.
You want to get as dry as possible for show or whatever, quit all steroids for a period of time. Of course you will also lose some of the fullness (water). It's a balancing act.
Damn, dropping knowledge bombs, better save this shit to a blogspot or something :P
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All anabolic steroids cause water retention, through sodium retention and other mechanisms. Another popular misconception is that the water retention from testosterone is from the elevated estrogen only which is completely false.
If an anabolic steroid didn't cause any water retention it wouldn't cause hardly any quick weight gain as actual muscle protein takes time to build and register on a scale.
But even something like Anavar or Winstrol will cause quick weight gain, even if relatively small. It's "all" water.
You want to get as dry as possible for show or whatever, quit all steroids for a period of time. Of course you will also lose some of the fullness (water). It's a balancing act.
I've come to realize this over the years as well. Took me awhile to finally figure it out as there are very few posters on forums who say/know this. I dropped my tren to 25mg/day and notice an immediate difference vs 100mg. I can jump up in weight again just by going back up to 100mg/day. All steroids seem to do this to me.
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as it was already mentioned most if not all AAS cause water retention through carbohydrate metabolism, sodium retention, influece on cortisol, aldosterone and other hormones. water retention in general is highly genetic too though.
for me personally water retention is VERY CLOSELY related to carb intake when on AAS.
eat high carbs+blast AAS = water retention like crazy (both in the muscle and in the face)
eat low carbs+blast AAS = no water retention at all (and no fullness in the muscle either)
when im bulking on high carbs it doesnt matter if im on 1g tren with zero test or test,deca and dbol. bloat WILL be there in both cases.
my buddy on the other hand never gets bloated. he has a shredded face at 15% bodyfat.
doesnt matter what he runs and doesnt matter how many carbs or sodium he eats (and he eats A TON of junkfood), AAS dont give him neither fullness/muscle pop nor any water retention at all
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Looks like Elliot Rodger finally wiser up and hit the sauce.
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as it was already mentioned most if not all AAS cause water retention through carbohydrate metabolism, sodium retention, influece on cortisol, aldosterone and other hormones. water retention in general is highly genetic too though.
for me personally water retention is VERY CLOSELY related to carb intake when on AAS.
eat high carbs+blast AAS = water retention like crazy (both in the muscle and in the face)
eat low carbs+blast AAS = no water retention at all (and no fullness in the muscle either)
when im bulking on high carbs it doesnt matter if im on 1g tren with zero test or test,deca and dbol. bloat WILL be there in both cases.
my buddy on the other hand never gets bloated. he has a shredded face at 15% bodyfat.
doesnt matter what he runs and doesnt matter how many carbs or sodium he eats (and he eats A TON of junkfood), AAS dont give him neither fullness/muscle pop nor any water retention at all
carbs raise insulin, insulin ''tells'' the body to retain more sodium and in order for the body to keep the same concentration of sodium like before, it also retains more water. This is why after a pizza night you wake up in the morning, look in the mirror and see a swollen face, especially under your eyes
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oh and btw fuck matt ogus
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Great question for the G&O section. What the fuck do you morons don't understand about placing threads in proper sections?
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carbs raise insulin, insulin ''tells'' the body to retain more sodium and in order for the body to keep the same concentration of sodium like before, it also retains more water. This is why after a pizza night you wake up in the morning, look in the mirror and see a swollen face, especially under your eyes
(http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i51/5/12/20/fbz_9a7bf39be4679027b90988c2e7c01b19.jpg)
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Is the OP a fallen angel from the dying board gh15?
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(http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i51/5/12/20/fbz_9a7bf39be4679027b90988c2e7c01b19.jpg)
i was having one while writing that post, true story ;D
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It's his kidneys fighting.
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i was having one while writing that post, true story ;D
Gotta get them carbs, don`t want to flat out ;D
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/11910369_149931765350598_892779400_n.jpg)
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oh and btw fuck matt ogus
ogus, lex fitness, online coach, c Guzman, Chris jones, Matty fusaro can all burn in hell
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carbs raise insulin, insulin ''tells'' the body to retain more sodium and in order for the body to keep the same concentration of sodium like before, it also retains more water. This is why after a pizza night you wake up in the morning, look in the mirror and see a swollen face, especially under your eyes
its not the insulin though.
i dont get bloated from insulin per se (humalog)... naturals also never bloat up that much, even after huge cheat days. so id assume that AAS must play a major role in conjunction with the carbs.
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its not the insulin though.
i dont get bloated from insulin per se (humalog)... naturals also never bloat up that much, even after huge cheat days. so id assume that AAS must play a major role in conjunction with the carbs.
it's a scientific fact what a wrote about insulin and sodium, doesn't necessarily apply to Ogus' case though
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Looks like he has a big jaw, nothing to do with bloat.
Example of bloated faces on lean body i think more of Alistair Overeem or Wanderlei when they were at their biggest. Lean bodies and chimpmunk face lol.
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That blokes face is fucking repulsive, he deserves to have it punched on a daily basis for it looking like that
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That blokes face is fucking repulsive, he deserves to have it punched on a daily basis for it looking like that
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Disgusting face.
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carbs raise insulin, insulin ''tells'' the body to retain more sodium and in order for the body to keep the same concentration of sodium like before, it also retains more water. This is why after a pizza night you wake up in the morning, look in the mirror and see a swollen face, especially under your eyes
never happens to me.
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about his face I thing it's called "being asian"
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about his face I thing it's called "being asian"
Exactly :)
Also, brutal 15" arms for so much gear and macros counting...
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Not to mention he's a fukn manlet as well, liek 5'7" i believe? such a twat....
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Not to mention he's a fukn manlet as well, liek 5'7" i believe? such a twat....
Your're beating a dead horse, being >=6ft is in your disadvantage on stage in most cases
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I thought this kid was younger but he looks to be in his mid 30's in these pics. If anyone believes this kid is natural please kill yourself.
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Exactly :)
Also, brutal 15" arms for so much gear and macros counting...
Phil Heath is the best
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are you talking about subcutaneous water retention, intramuscular (glycogen), or both?
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Phil Heath is the best
The best in face bloat?
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Your're beating a dead horse, being >=6ft is in your disadvantage on stage in most cases
I was making that a point because someone commented on his sickening 15" arms.....it's okay to be a manlet DP...
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I thought this kid was younger but he looks to be in his mid 30's in these pics. If anyone believes this kid is natural please kill yourself.
hey have you ever seen his youtube videos very lame, every video he is showing his panties and poses constantly really lame shit
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Good lookin' fellas. Swimmin' in hoes.
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hey have you ever seen his youtube videos very lame, every video he is showing his panties and poses constantly really lame shit
No and I will especially not watch them now. :(
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No and I will especially not watch them now. :(
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Not that I watch any training vids other than Ronnie's and pumping iron a few times a year.
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I thought this kid was younger but he looks to be in his mid 30's in these pics. If anyone believes this kid is natural please kill yourself.
why would you say its impossible hes natural?
You have given far better physiques on here your seal of natty approval in the past.
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probably because tren is a progesterone derivative, hence gives you a double chick, like that of a women on her period
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Nothing gayer than "YouTube fitness stars" oh brother ::)
What has this become, everyone is constantly striving for attention and always got to have something to say
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Your're beating a dead horse, being >=6ft is in your disadvantage on stage in most cases
in every other walk of life though
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Nothing gayer than "YouTube fitness stars" oh brother ::)
What has this become, everyone is constantly striving for attention and always got to have something to say
and they all wear joggers, eat chipotle, and count macros
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and they all wear joggers, eat chipotle, and count macros
the joggers and the beanie half on their head thing....don't get it.
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in every other walk of life though
True
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All anabolic steroids cause water retention, through sodium retention and other mechanisms. Another popular misconception is that the water retention from testosterone is from the elevated estrogen only which is completely false.
If an anabolic steroid didn't cause any water retention it wouldn't cause hardly any quick weight gain as actual muscle protein takes time to build and register on a scale.
But even something like Anavar or Winstrol will cause quick weight gain, even if relatively small. It's "all" water.
You want to get as dry as possible for show or whatever, quit all steroids for a period of time. Of course you will also lose some of the fullness (water). It's a balancing act.
So how has Matt Ogus been able to get much drier and leaner compared to how he was before dieting? Is he off steroids now? lol. I mean, look at this pic: https://www.instagram.com/p/BB5JzdcKE-D/?taken-by=mattogus
No way that's natty, 169 lbs at only 5'5" and that ripped, full and 3D looking. So that brings me to the question, what do you think he's on there? Btw, his face has been looking pretty lean lately as opposed to when he was heavier, so is it possible that change only came from dieting or did his gear stack change too?
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So how has Matt Ogus been able to get much drier and leaner compared to how he was before dieting? Is he off steroids now? lol. I mean, look at this pic: https://www.instagram.com/p/BB5JzdcKE-D/?taken-by=mattogus
No way that's natty, 169 lbs at only 5'5" and that ripped, full and 3D looking. So that brings me to the question, what do you think he's on there? Btw, his face has been looking pretty lean lately as opposed to when he was heavier, so is it possible that change only came from dieting or did his gear stack change too?
How can he be 5'7" here?
http://i.imgur.com/hMfYFhl.png
(http://i.imgur.com/hMfYFhl.png)
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So how has Matt Ogus been able to get much drier and leaner compared to how he was before dieting? Is he off steroids now? lol. I mean, look at this pic: https://www.instagram.com/p/BB5JzdcKE-D/?taken-by=mattogus
No way that's natty, 169 lbs at only 5'5" and that ripped, full and 3D looking. So that brings me to the question, what do you think he's on there? Btw, his face has been looking pretty lean lately as opposed to when he was heavier, so is it possible that change only came from dieting or did his gear stack change too?
Lots of competitors and otherwise bodybuilders claim you look your best shortly after coming off gear. You lose a lot of the bloat among other things... and even gym rats that don't abuse year round know this. Psychologically of course is different.
So, if he was off gear for 2 weeks in those pics then by all accounts in modern vernacular he was "natural."
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How can he be 5'7" here?
http://i.imgur.com/hMfYFhl.png
(http://i.imgur.com/hMfYFhl.png)
Cause he's not 5'7, like all bbers they all lie about height, weight, arm measurements, gear status, natural status
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So how has Matt Ogus been able to get much drier and leaner compared to how he was before dieting? Is he off steroids now? lol. I mean, look at this pic: https://www.instagram.com/p/BB5JzdcKE-D/?taken-by=mattogus
No way that's natty, 169 lbs at only 5'5" and that ripped, full and 3D looking. So that brings me to the question, what do you think he's on there? Btw, his face has been looking pretty lean lately as opposed to when he was heavier, so is it possible that change only came from dieting or did his gear stack change too?
Being ripped has nothing to do with using steroids.
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Being ripped has nothing to do with using steroids.
Using steroids greatly increases one's ability to be ripped.
Kids today are looking for all sorts of shortcuts. There's a news headline from today talking about adderall abuse rising significantly.
This is as indisputable as the original hebrews race.
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Being ripped has nothing to do with using steroids.
I didn't say that. There's no way he has all that muscle naturally though. I was just addressing the post by van bilderass in which he said that all steroids make you hold water and to look really dry you need to quit steroids for a short period of time. What I'm saying is Matt Ogus has been looking big and ripped for the past 4 weeks or so. If he was off gear for that time period he would have lost some muscle, no? And he still has to diet for 9 more weeks, so he can't afford to stay off gear for that long. Not to mention he has other shows in 11 and 13 weeks.
So my question is how can he get so dry and shredded while on gear, taking into account what Van Bilderass said? Or the steroid bloat just goes away with dieting? Btw the way Matt Ogus diets is kinda suspicious, he eats 2700 calories or more and loses weight super easily and also eats 300-350 grams of carbs. Some people here are saying they hold water with steroids unless carbs are really low... but maybe Ogus' metabolism is really fast :D
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What I'm saying is Matt Ogus has been looking big and ripped for the past 4 weeks or so. If he was off gear for that time period he would have lost some muscle, no?
No, you won't lose muscle in a four week span.
Also, he isn't saying that all steroids hold equal amounts of water/look the same so Ogus could simply be lowering one (test) and upping another (tren, etc.) so that is going to cause some drying out that way so it's not like he has too be off a full 3 months. Van may be saying that in order to get as dry as possible though he would have to drop it all at some point. That also could be a negative as he said the muscle may be less full so it comes down to choices ( do you look better fuller?, etc.).
Just my thoughts on what he was saying.
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No, you won't lose muscle in a four week span.
Also, he isn't saying that all steroids hold equal amounts of water/look the same so Ogus could simply be lowering one (test) and upping another (tren, etc.) so that is going to cause some drying out that way so it's not like he has too be off a full 3 months. Van may be saying that in order to get as dry as possible though he would have to drop it all at some point. That also could be a negative as he said the muscle may be less full so it comes down to choices ( do you look better fuller?, etc.).
Just my thoughts on what he was saying.
In that case, wouldn't it be better to just keep using gear up to the end of the prep and just use diuretics on the last few days?
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I didn't say that. There's no way he has all that muscle naturally though. I was just addressing the post by van bilderass in which he said that all steroids make you hold water and to look really dry you need to quit steroids for a short period of time. What I'm saying is Matt Ogus has been looking big and ripped for the past 4 weeks or so. If he was off gear for that time period he would have lost some muscle, no? And he still has to diet for 9 more weeks, so he can't afford to stay off gear for that long. Not to mention he has other shows in 11 and 13 weeks.
So my question is how can he get so dry and shredded while on gear, taking into account what Van Bilderass said? Or the steroid bloat just goes away with dieting? Btw the way Matt Ogus diets is kinda suspicious, he eats 2700 calories or more and loses weight super easily and also eats 300-350 grams of carbs. Some people here are saying they hold water with steroids unless carbs are really low... but maybe Ogus' metabolism is really fast :D
None of the top guys come off before a show and they get ripped. What some of them do is come off the GH (a big holder of water) and switch to stuff like winny mast halo etc about 4 weeks out.
As long as you are in a caloric deficit you will lose fat and the less BF you have the less sub q water you will hold. It's not rocket science. All you have to do is get very lean and play around and find out what works for you. Maybe Matt drops his carbs a couple days out maybe not. Remember how ripped Danny Padilla was for the 1981 Mr Olympia? He actually increased his carbs and lowered his protein right before the show and he came in dry as fuck.
I've trained guys who could afford nothing but test and they have come in ripped. Yes all steroids make you hold water but some stay more intra cellular than others. Those are usually the ones that don't aromatize.
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T-shirt says it all:
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the face bloat is partly muscular tension in the jaws. Overclenching, tren gives near constant bruxism, this will make your cheeks swollen and protrude on the sides around the angle of the jaw bone.
Motherfuckers even look like they are holding their breath in the photos. Shit fucks with you.
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Looks like Elliot Rodger finally wiser up and hit the sauce.
Wiser up indeed! :D ;D
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T-shirt says it all:
Christ. He literally has the shittiest hair genetics and haircut combo EVER. Such an ugly guy. Also dunno how people actually look up to him and follow this self centered sociopathic manlet.
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Basically Tren Ace face bloat is when your face(specifically your cheeks) will swell up but you will become dry everywhere else on your body, I've noticed this happens to me when I'm on winstrol too. This is actually "Tren face" the phrase in which the legendary gh15 coined.
You can instantly tell when someone is on tren because of the tren face, it's a distinct look.
For most people it will make your face look weird and could deduct points from your overall look.
It seems people who naturally have chubby cheeks and high cheekbones and are goodlooking can say goodbye to their good looks and hello to fat chubby cheeks because because they will "puff up" on treen.
If you have a typical caucasian face, thin lips, narrow face, and crude looking features this may not effect you as much.
That's why It's best to be as lean as you can before you start these compounds so you won't notice it as much.
Examples of tren face:
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5550853&d=1364236371)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j9xuGImtlZQ/UuR9QX0Qz2I/AAAAAAAAzbg/xiAxRLsrS5M/s1600/2014+01-24+aaron+clark+01.jpg)
(http://img.youtube.com/vi/wVMbZTGXxW4/0.jpg) (http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/matt_ogus_bloated_face.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QVl9un592co/hqdefault.jpg)
Here are other tren users who have dealt with this Tren face bloat:
Anyone else get this?/have experience dealing with this?
is that liar Mat Bogus still saying hes natural?
watch for the hair plugs soon
he is going bald
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Hold old is this guy. I'm guessing 42ish? Not a bad build for being older.
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Bogus is in his late 20's, early 30's I think
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Aaron is like 5'6/250 and has face bloat.
He's on a lot of gh, slin, test and who knows what else trying to grow. This guy never loses condition but I wouldn't attribute his face to tren.
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Aaron is like 5'6/250 and has face bloat.
He's on a lot of gh, slin, test and who knows what else trying to grow. This guy never loses condition but I wouldn't attribute his face to tren.
mr white do you subscribe to matt "gay anal" ogus's youtube channel
mr white who do you think runs more drugs into there system matt ogu or bostin lloyd