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Dems Start To Push Back Hard To Prevent A 'Waterloo'
Wednesday, July 22, 2009


A telling episode recounted by Senate Finance ranking member Charles Grassley reveals the Obama administration might be more worried than they are letting on that a Republican senator's comparison of the healthcare overhaul to Waterloo might be dangerously close to the truth.

Grassley said he spoke with a Democratic House member last week who shared Obama's bleak reaction during a private meeting to reports that some factions of House Democrats were lining up to stall or even take down the overhaul unless leaders made major changes.

"Let's just lay everything on the table," Grassley said. "A Democrat congressman last week told me after a conversation with the president that the president had trouble in the House of Representatives, and it wasn't going to pass if there weren't some changes made ... and the president says, 'You're going to destroy my presidency.' "

The White House did not respond to requests for comment.

Grassley did not name the member but said he was not from the senator's home state of Iowa. He brought up the anecdote in response to a question about whether the president's rebuke of the Waterloo remark Monday was affecting Finance Committee negotiations on a bipartisan overhaul bill. Grassley said the imbroglio was not taking a toll on the bipartisan effort.

President Obama and the Democratic National Committee pushed back hard this week against South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim DeMint's remark Friday that the healthcare overhaul could be Obama's Waterloo. Obama went directly after the comment in a speech Monday and Democratic leaders and organizations have fired off countless e-mails to call out Republicans for attempting to bring down the effort rather than offer constructive alternatives.

Most of the Blue Dog Coalition opposes the House overhaul bill and have managed to delay the Energy and Commerce Committee markup. (See related story, page 1.) Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., the Blue Dogs' Health Care Task Force chairman, said Tuesday he is not the member Grassley was referring to.

Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., defended Obama even though he is also opposed to House Democrats' bill. "I can't see him saying that," Stupak said. "He's got too much self-confidence."

House Republicans Tuesday made hay of the issue, with Ways and Means minority staff sending out an e-mail asking, "Who's really blocking health care reform?"

"Do not be fooled by the president's repeated attempts to create a Republican straw man for his health care troubles," the e-mail reads. The GOP pointed to ads the Democratic National Committee is running to pressure Democratic lawmakers.

Meanwhile, the Finance Committee continues to negotiate its bipartisan bill. Seven negotiators have been at the table, but Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus referred Tuesday to "all six in the room." Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, has not been noticed attending the meetings for some time.

Senators discussed offsets for the $1 trillion measure Tuesday afternoon with Thomas Barthold, chief of staff for the Joint Committee on Taxation. An offset offered by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., meant to be a compromise on taxing employer-based health benefits, is under discussion, Baucus said.

Kerry's idea is similar to a proposal pushed in 1994 by former Sen. Bill Bradley, D-N.J., and approved by the Finance Committee that would tax the difference between the average health insurance premium in a region and insurers' higher-cost plans.

Unions have come out heavily against that proposal because of the potential for higher costs to be passed down to workers. Most big companies offer their own insurance plans to employees, meaning the pain could be spread beyond the insurance industry.

An industry source expressed concern that "self-insured" company plans would be victimized, noting a 2008 Kaiser Family Foundation survey that found 77 percent of firms with more than 200 employees fund their own workers' benefits, rather than contract with an outside insurer. That figure goes up for firms with 1,000 or more workers, where the vast majority are self-insured, said Marisa Milton, vice president for healthcare policy and government relations at the HR Policy Association.

Finance members are looking at the exclusion that protects employees from paying taxes on employer-based health benefits to try to reduce the growth of healthcare spending, but have run into pushback from Democratic leaders and Obama.

The bipartisan Finance group met earlier in the day with two actuaries to discuss potential penalties for individuals and businesses that do not acquire insurance.

Senate Majority Leader Reid insisted Tuesday that the Finance panel would produce a bill this week and begin a markup Saturday, but Finance members were skeptical. Baucus raised his hands and laughed when asked about Reid's comment and Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad went just with a good laugh.

by Anna Edney with Kasie Hunt and Peter Cohn contributing

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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 08:33:12 AM »
"This isn't about me"

"but... You're going to destroy my Presidency."   Obama


LOL!  ;D



He talks from both sides of his mouth.

He talks transparency as he makes secret deals

this guy is a joke

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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 08:36:01 AM »
"This isn't about me"

"but... You're going to destroy my Presidency."   Obama



LOL!  ;D


He talks from both sides of his mouth.

He talks transparency as he makes secret deals

this guy is a joke

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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 08:40:42 AM »
which congressman was the quote attributed to?


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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 08:43:56 AM »
which congressman was the quote attributed to?



Grassley would not say because he does not want to get him trouble with Rahmbo. 

Did you read my story about the secret service agent being fired? 

What about the Cheney like manuever with the list of health care list? 

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 08:47:44 AM »
Grassley would not say because he does not want to get him trouble with Rahmbo. 

Did you read my story about the secret service agent being fired? 

What about the Cheney like manuever with the list of health care list? 

1) I see.  A Republican attack dog has an anonymous quote.  Okay, that's believable :(

2) I will check out those threads next.  Don't try to derail this one because the biggest quote of Obama's presidency was "some anonymous source".

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 09:48:43 AM »
1) I see.  A Republican attack dog has an anonymous quote.  Okay, that's believable :(

2) I will check out those threads next.  Don't try to derail this one because the biggest quote of Obama's presidency was "some anonymous source".

WOW!!!!This coming from a guy who posts every rumor about Palin ever and NOT ONE EVER has been been proven yet.Hello pot,meet kettle.Rengel said that everyone is scared to tell Obama or Pelosi they are going to fast.THATS Obamas presidency.Thug politics,intimidation and shitty policies DESIGNED to destroy the country!!!

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2009, 10:01:49 AM »
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WOW!!!!This coming from a guy who posts every rumor about Palin ever and NOT ONE EVER has been been proven yet.Hello pot,meet kettle.Rengel said that everyone is scared to tell Obama or Pelosi they are going to fast.THATS Obamas presidency.Thug politics,intimidation and shitty policies DESIGNED to destroy the country!!!

What say you 240 ?

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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2009, 10:16:18 AM »
palin repaid $8k.


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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 10:20:51 AM »
1) I see.  A Republican attack dog has an anonymous quote.  Okay, that's believable :(

2) I will check out those threads next.  Don't try to derail this one because the biggest quote of Obama's presidency was "some anonymous source".
LOL coming from the guy who touted a NATIONAL ENQUIRER story as truth bought into palins baby is her daughters and thinks 9/11 was planned by bush....HAHAHAH NOW YOU NEED CREDIBLE SOURCES HAHAHAHHA  ::) :o fuking wow your idiocy is back in full force 240

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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 10:28:16 AM »
LOL coming from the guy who thinks 9/11 was planned by bush

Please list my quote on this one.


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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 10:32:40 AM »
palin repaid $8k.



PALIN REPAID 8,000 DOLLARS!!!Where is the story there?How about her son,trooper gate,ethics charges,book burnings,shall I go on?How about the plagerism charge?Its one thing after another.

You can deny that story about Obama,BUT Rengel CLEARLY said they were scared to tell him to slow down.Why?He is a thug from Chicago,who grew up under Wright and Sol Lewinski[spelling].His game is thugery and intimidtation.However,people are catching on and waking up.One term and back to the hood so he can dso more organising and worshipping at Wrights church and hear how bad "dem jews" are.

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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 10:35:01 AM »
Please list my quote on this one.


Im not going to go find anything so lets just say I retract that statment now address the rest why dont you ;)

LOL coming from the guy who touted a NATIONAL ENQUIRER story as truth bought into palins baby is her daughters....HAHAHAH NOW YOU NEED CREDIBLE SOURCES HAHAHAHHA  ::) :o fuking wow your idiocy is back in full force 240

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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 10:56:13 AM »
The man is concerned about his legacy already??   ::)

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Re: Obama to Blue Dog Dems "You are going to destroy my Presidency"
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 01:32:30 PM »
The man is concerned about his legacy already??   ::)
Maybe he knows that he is a one-term president. 

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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2009, 01:36:12 PM »
Allah willing.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2009, 07:11:44 PM »
Maybe he knows that he is a one-term president. 

He will definitely be a one-term president if he continues down his current path. 

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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2009, 07:54:31 PM »
He will definitely be a one-term president if he continues down his current path. 
again,,i will tell you all bookmark all the posts where I tell you,,,OBAMA WILL BE A 2ND TERM PRESIDENT HE WILL WIN BASED ON THE ACTIONS HE WILL DO LAST YEAR TO YEAR AND HALF HE HAS A SURPRISE PLAN THAT WILL OUTRIGHT WIN THE PRESIDENT ELECTION ROMNEY WILL TRY TO WIN,,BUT WHAT HE DOES NEAR HIS END OF 1ST TERM PEOPLE WILL BE BEGGING HIM TO STAY,,,WILL UNIFY WHAT IS NEEDED A BROKEN SYSTEM WILL BE FIXED THIS IS ALL I CAN SAY,,,OH AS FOR PALIN SHE WILL TRY TO STRONG ARM THE REBPULIBCAN PARTY IN A WAY THAT GETS HER KICKED OUT,,THESE ACTIONS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE I HAVE MY CONNECTIONS TO THE TOP

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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2009, 08:29:23 PM »
Jock- I dont usually communicate with the mentally ill, but I am making an exception in your case. Please stop posting on get big. Occasionally I read some of your posts by accident and afterward I feel as if some of my intelligence has been stolen from me. Your comments actually make other people dumber. Please, confine your ignorance to a dark and windowless room so it wont rub off on anyone else. Leave the internet and all message boards alone. Thank you.