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Good for her. Good message.
Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens
Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) — Unwed mother Bristol Palin said Wednesday that abstinence is a realistic way for teens to avoid unwanted pregnancy — a view not shared by the father of her infant son.
Palin, the 19-year old daughter of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, told ABC's "Good Morning America" that she wishes she'd waited to have sex.
Bristol Palin was in New York Wednesday to help promote National Teen Pregnancy Awareness Day.
In the interview, Palin said abstinence is the safest and best choice for teens.
"Regardless of what I did personally, I just think that abstinence is the only way you can effectively, 100% foolproof way you can prevent pregnancy," she said.
But Levi Johnston, Palin's former fiance and the father of her 4-month old baby, Tripp, said abstinence is "not realistic" for young people. He said sexually active teens need to learn about contraception as well.
"Abstinence is a great idea," Johnston told "CBS This Morning" in an interview. "But I also think you need to enforce, you know, condoms and birth control and other things like that to have safe sex. I don't just think telling young kids, 'You can't have sex,' it's not going to work."
Johnston said he and Palin had used condoms but occasionally had slipped up. That's how Tripp was conceived, Johnston said.
Palin said Tripp is getting chubby and is starting to giggle. She called him "the love of my life," but said she wished she could have had him later in life.
Sarah Palin announced her daughter's pregnancy on Sept. 1, days after Sen. John McCain picked her to be his Republican vice presidential running mate.
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is this the same chick who said on FOX just 3 weeks ago that abstinence was unrealistic?
Sounds like she's reading her note cards for this speech, but was speaking frankly and honestly during that interview.
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LOL of course. It's the best path for anyone who doesn't want a kid but very difficult to follow. Considering every guy in his teens is trying to get laid and girls aren't void of these urges they should definitely come in with a strong Condoms are number 2.
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Johnston sums up what I've maintained about the condoms, etc. argument for years:
"Johnston said he and Palin had used condoms but occasionally had slipped up. That's how Tripp was conceived, Johnston said."
Doesn't work, because kids won't use them consistently.
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Thats obvious beach. Safe sex in exclusive relationships is what should be taught. We teach all this bad shit about sex but no one is teaching people about how to maintain intimate relationships. It's all, DONT DO IT YOU'LL GET DISEASES OR PREGNANT. I do agree that abstinence is the BEST way to do it because its 100% effective but will most likely only work amongst those with religious motives.
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Thats obvious beach. Safe sex in exclusive relationships is what should be taught. We teach all this bad shit about sex but no one is teaching people about how to maintain intimate relationships. It's all, DONT DO IT YOU'LL GET DISEASES OR PREGNANT. I do agree that abstinence is the BEST way to do it because its 100% effective but will most likely only work amongst those with religious motives.
I pretty much agree. Definitely easier to teach abstinence from a religious point of view.
That said, my objection to giving condoms to kids isn't religious based. I have a fundamental problem with sending mixed messages to kids: don't have sex, but here's a condom you won't really use in case you do. The fact is kids are not prepared to have sex and definitely not ready for the consequences of sex, which can include a baby.
I know the reality is that some kids will still do it, but that doesn't change the fact they're not ready, it would be a mistake, etc. Doesn't (or at least shouldn't) change the message.
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but occasionally had slipped up.
Bullshit. They were irresponsible idiots.
You don't "slip up". You choose to stick it in without a condom. Given the amount of liquor bottle bags hanging from her wall in her pics, I'm guessing alcohol helped out in that decision making process.
Don't blame the condoms. blame idiot 16 year olds who got drunk and had sex without them.
And if the pics were up on myspace and the parent didn't stop the drinking, and if the parent was allowing sleepovers, then they are at fault too.
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knowledge is the best path.
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I wonder what her "view" will change to in another few weeks.
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Bullshit. They were irresponsible idiots.
You don't "slip up". You choose to stick it in without a condom. Given the amount of liquor bottle bags hanging from her wall in her pics, I'm guessing alcohol helped out in that decision making process.
Don't blame the condoms. blame idiot 16 year olds who got drunk and had sex without them.
And if the pics were up on myspace and the parent didn't stop the drinking, and if the parent was allowing sleepovers, then they are at fault too.
He's not blaiming the condoms. Plus, Beach Bum was quoting Levi Johnston.
Thats obvious beach. Safe sex in exclusive relationships is what should be taught. We teach all this bad shit about sex but no one is teaching people about how to maintain intimate relationships. It's all, DONT DO IT YOU'LL GET DISEASES OR PREGNANT.......
That's because Johnston and Palin did it and (surprise, SURPRISE) Palin got pregnant. Sex is how we make babies, here.
You're right about safe sex in exclusive relationships. And, from religious point of view, the gold standard (the ultimate example) is sex within the confines of marriage.
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At first I thought it said "Bristol Palin says Absinthe best path for teens".
;D
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it really is a tough issue. im with beach bum on the condom thing. the sad fact is that all 13-17 year olds are idiots. i know i was. so give them rubbers and hope to God they use them. but then they will inevitably find out that condoms suck. and they will not use them.
but condoms work better with lube. makes it more enjoyable for both parties involved. it makes using condoms tolerable in my and my wifes opinion. so now you give them lube. but now you're the parent sending their 15 year old daughter out on a friday night with a bunch of rubbers and a huge jar of lube. just tell her not to have sex. how do you feel about that?
FYI im half kidding around with this post. i have a young son and i am dreading the talks that i will have to have with him.
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it really is a tough issue. im with beach bum on the condom thing. the sad fact is that all 13-17 year olds are idiots. i know i was. so give them rubbers and hope to God they use them. but then they will inevitably find out that condoms suck. and they will not use them.
but condoms work better with lube. makes it more enjoyable for both parties involved. it makes using condoms tolerable in my and my wifes opinion. so now you give them lube. but now you're the parent sending their 15 year old daughter out on a friday night with a bunch of rubbers and a huge jar of lube. just tell her not to have sex. how do you feel about that?
FYI im half kidding around with this post. i have a young son and i am dreading the talks that i will have to have with him.
lol. I agree with you bears. Once kids experience sex with and without a condom, they will probably never go back. Your comments about sending the kids out with condoms and lube is really funny. ;D
I've had the birds and bees talk with my kids. During the last talk it was actually really funny to see the "oh so that's what the means" look on my little one's face. :)
We have a tough road with our respective sons. There is an enormous amount of pressure to have sex as a kid. In many circles, you either have to do it, or lie about doing it. Peer pressure is a real pain.
If you haven't started the sex talk with your son (and it has to be an ongoing dialog), I'd recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/Talk-Child-About-Step-Step/dp/1582380570/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241648123&sr=8-1
It even has a script. :)
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Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens
Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) — Unwed mother Bristol Palin said Wednesday that abstinence is a realistic way for teens to avoid unwanted pregnancy
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Johnston sums up what I've maintained about the condoms, etc. argument for years:
"Johnston said he and Palin had used condoms but occasionally had slipped up. That's how Tripp was conceived, Johnston said."
Doesn't work, because kids won't use them consistently.
sounds like they were having regular sex
I wonder how the daughter got on the pill without the parents consent (surely Palin didn't consent because they would mean she knew they were having sex
even more irrefutable proof that abstinence doesn't work.
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They were using condoms. Even more proof that condoms don't work.
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how dumbed down must you be to post this.
this is like benny blanco posting quotes of obama saying wall street was running wild. NO FUCK.
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wow, what a bunch of ignorant opinions. Hey, I got a great idea. teach your kids abstinence from a "religious point of view" ::) then just let them run around and do whatever they want whenever they want with who whoever they want. quickly make breakfast for them then you only have to see them at dinner for a short time then they're off to "study" with their classmates and they'll be back by 8:00 ::) Oh don't worry, they're really taking Church serious on Sunday, you're sure of this ::)
Ignorant, ignorant delusional, ignorant ignorant...
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Or maybe send your 13 or 14-year old to Planned Parenthood, give them condoms and the pill, a few magazines, some lube (bears . . . lol :D), a couple porno movies, and turn them loose. ::)
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They were using condoms. Even more proof that condoms don't work.
nonsense, that's like saying not using a seatbelt is proof that seatbelts don't work.
What's funny is how a teenager who was both on the pill (Sarah approved no doubut) and also using condoms has the temerity to preach abstinence.
Isn't this the same girl who said abstinence was not realistic or something like that?
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Or maybe send your 13 or 14-year old to Planned Parenthood, give them condoms and the pill, a few magazines, some lube (bears . . . lol :D), a couple porno movies, and turn them loose. ::)
did I tell you that was giving a shit? What in what I said would indicate that? ::) So now you've got it pinned down because hey, you've taught them abstinence from a religious point of view and you don't turn them loose with pornos, lube and Planned Parenthood's phone number ::)
oooh buoy... lol
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Such a wholesome young lady
(http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/bristol-palin-pic.jpg)
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nonsense, that's like saying not using a seatbelt is proof that seatbelts don't work.
What's funny is how a teenager who was both on the pill (Sarah approved no doubut) and also using condoms has the temerity to preach abstinence.
Isn't this the same girl who said abstinence was not realistic or something like that?
No, that's like saying condoms don't work, because kids won't consistently use them, which is exactly what happened.
This is the same girl who didn't follow her parents' advice and wound up with a baby. She's actually in a very good position to talk to teens about the dangers of premarital sex. She has the baby to prove it.
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did I tell you that was giving a shit? What in what I said would indicate that? ::) So now you've got it pinned down because hey, you've taught them abstinence from a religious point of view and you don't turn them loose with pornos, lube and Planned Parenthood's phone number ::)
oooh buoy... lol
Whaa?? Have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Whaa?? Have no idea what you're trying to say.
I know you don't. ;D
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Such a wholesome young lady
(http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/bristol-palin-pic.jpg)
but but... she was just studying with friends, what are you talking about :D
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She's just like 89% of girls her age these days.
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I want to fuck Bristol Palin so bad.....even though shes 17 I think.....17 is legal age in NY city
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I want to fuck Bristol Palin so bad.....even though shes 17 I think.....17 is legal age in NY city
She was born in 1990 so I think you're good to go.
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condoms suck donkey dick, anal sex ftw.
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No, that's like saying condoms don't work, because kids won't consistently use them, which is exactly what happened.
This is the same girl who didn't follow her parents' advice and wound up with a baby. She's actually in a very good position to talk to teens about the dangers of premarital sex. She has the baby to prove it.
yeah Bum, I know what you're saying but your statement that "condoms don't work" is absurd.
Nothing works if it's not used.
What's more likely to fail......the willpower of the raging horny teenager or a condom....when actually used?
By your logic, one could say "seatbelts don't work" because people won't consistenty use them so the only best alternative is that one should just abstain from driving.
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I want to fuck Bristol Palin so bad.....even though shes 17 I think.....17 is legal age in NY city
Her and Sarah both... 8)
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Her and Sarah both... 8)
at the same time :o
;D
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at the same time :o
;D
that line reminded me of this guy ;D
(http://www.geocities.com/officespacemovie/Pictures/lawrence.jpg)
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Old ideas that don't work - bring them on so that nothing changes and nothing improves :-\
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that line reminded me of this guy ;D
(http://www.geocities.com/officespacemovie/Pictures/lawrence.jpg)
My number one favorite movie of all time. watched it a million times ;D
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haha
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My number one favorite movie of all time. watched it a million times ;D
I know, I love this movie. If only mike judge would make more movies
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Bristols Mommie taught her NO SEX, but didnt teach her about condoms or Birth Control... Gotta love them right wing women
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Bristols Mommie taught her NO SEX, but didnt teach her about condoms or Birth Control... Gotta love them right wing women
actually, I think that her mom didn't teach her shit and probably knew full well that her kid was partying and having sex and probably assumed that her kid was smart enough to use a condom.
whoops
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Such a wholesome young lady
(http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/bristol-palin-pic.jpg)
any parent whose kid has this shit on their myspace page is doing a really lousy job.
Seriously, this isn't sneaky drinking at a friends. This shit is on myspace for the world to see.
Parents, if you don't at least check out your kids' photo galleries - even if you trust them and just want to make sure they're not too vulnerable to strangers - YOU ARE DOING A POOR JOB.
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They were using condoms. Even more proof that condoms don't work.
SOME of the time.
Which means they WEREN'T using condoms.
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What's worse
Palin knew her kid was partying and having sex and did nothing
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Palin didn't know her kid was partying and having sex
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I know, I love this movie. If only mike judge would make more movies
Did you see Idiocracy? It had a lot of the same people. Even the guy you just posted a pic of although I bet most didn't pick him out.
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What's worse
Palin knew her kid was partying and having sex and did nothing
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Palin didn't know her kid was partying and having sex
Funny,all this hatred for Palin and questioning her parenting ability.Lets see,THE GREAT Al Gores kid is a fucking junkie who has been in and out of rehab.Ted Kennedys kid is a fucking junkie who has been in and out of rehab.Bidens daughter is a coke head.Not one lib knocks their parenting ability.Isnt that strange?
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all I know is that if Obama's daughter was posting liquor pics on myspace and got knocked up at age 17 after dropping out of school...
hahaha oh brother, you guys would be having a field day calling him a shitty parent. no denying that.
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Funny,all this hatred for Palin and questioning her parenting ability.Lets see,THE GREAT Al Gores kid is a fucking junkie who has been in and out of rehab.Ted Kennedys kid is a fucking junkie who has been in and out of rehab.Bidens daughter is a coke head.Not one lib knocks their parenting ability.Isnt that strange?
there might be some relevence if Gore or Kennedy had strident anti-drug stances and then paraded their kids around as advocates for a standard which they themselves can't even maintain. BTW - why didn't you mention Jeb Bush's daughter who has been arrested, jailed and in rebab multiple times for crack cocaine use?
The whole idea that Bristol Palin is an advocate for the exact thing which failed her is just a classic example of the stupidity of the religious right.
Hey Bristol why don't you just shut up, finish school, get an real job and actually set a good example for all teenagers and stop trying to have a media career as an advocate for something which you couldn't actually do yourself.
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there might be some relevence if Gore or Kennedy had strident anti-drug stances and then paraded their kids around as advocates for a standard which they themselves can't even maintain. BTW - why didn't you mention Jeb Bush's daughter who has been arrested, jailed and in rebab multiple times for crack cocaine use?
The whole idea that Bristol Palin is an advocate for the exact thing which failed her is just a classic example of the stupidity of the religious right.
Hey Bristol why don't you just shut up, finish school, get an real job and actually set a good example for all teenagers and stop trying to have a media career as an advocate for something which you couldn't actually do yourself.
;D Ninny Ninmaugh = PWND BEYOND BELIEF!
Too bad he's too braindead to realize it!
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there might be some relevence if Gore or Kennedy had strident anti-drug stances and then paraded their kids around as advocates for a standard which they themselves can't even maintain. BTW - why didn't you mention Jeb Bush's daughter who has been arrested, jailed and in rebab multiple times for crack cocaine use?
The whole idea that Bristol Palin is an advocate for the exact thing which failed her is just a classic example of the stupidity of the religious right.
Hey Bristol why don't you just shut up, finish school, get an real job and actually set a good example for all teenagers and stop trying to have a media career as an advocate for something which you couldn't actually do yourself.
Hmmm,funny you didnt include Biden there.He is THE MOST ANTI-DRUG guy in the history of the United States senate.He is responsible for more anti-drug bullshit then any two senators ever and THE ENTIRE reason there is a drug czar and steroids being banned.Yet his kid turned out to be a coke head.
By the way,Al Gore was a HUGE anti-drug guy and often bragged how the Clinton administration spent more to stop drugs then any administration before it.So,you were wrong there.He was a strident anti drug anti tobacco advocate.
You see ,unlike you,I dont blame parents for every mistake a kid makes.Kids do what they will.Palin did her best,her kid took a wrong turn.Biden did his best his daughter took a wrong turn,Gore did his best,the kid did the wrong thing.You can only influence your kid so much.Did you do everything your parents told you to?I know I didnt.
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there might be some relevence if Gore or Kennedy had strident anti-drug stances and then paraded their kids around as advocates for a standard which they themselves can't even maintain. BTW - why didn't you mention Jeb Bush's daughter who has been arrested, jailed and in rebab multiple times for crack cocaine use?
The whole idea that Bristol Palin is an advocate for the exact thing which failed her is just a classic example of the stupidity of the religious right.
Hey Bristol why don't you just shut up, finish school, get an real job and actually set a good example for all teenagers and stop trying to have a media career as an advocate for something which you couldn't actually do yourself.
they are an advocate of pro life and she took the responsibility of having the child and not killing it and calling it a day. there are a lot of states that have laws in place where she could have had it "taken care of" without her parents ever knowing about it and this thread wouldn't exist. are you going to give her credit for that? well wait since shes associated with the GOP you're only going to bash her for what she did wrong. and would you rather a person who never had sex preach on abstinence? thats like having drug counselors at a rehab facility who never did drugs. how the hell could any addict relate to that. your point is not well thought out. you're obviously just looking to bash a palin because shes a palin.
so you think that they shouldn't preach abstinence? why? do you think that they didn't use condoms? of course they did. but then they started having sex one day without one on. and a whole new world opened up to them. so thinking that you can teach your kids about safe sex and actually having them practice it is a long shot at best.
and another thing. no one ever brings this up but who seriously needs to be taught how to use a fuckin condom? if you need to be taught how to use one you are mentally retarded and should't be having sex with anyone. like the fuckin guy who reads the instructions on a box of pop tarts. those are the kind of kids you're trusting to practice safe sex. good luck man.
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another thing that can't be overlooked...
Gore's got the drug arrest when he was something like 30 years old, right?
Once a kid is an adult, they make their own decisions and are their own person.
When the child is under 18, it's a whole nother ballgame, as the parent lives wth them. In palin's case, she was spending half her time at the state capital while all the drinking, school skipping, and unprotected intercourse was going on back at wasilla.
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Hmmm,funny you didnt include Biden there.He is THE MOST ANTI-DRUG guy in the history of the United States senate.He is responsible for more anti-drug bullshit then any two senators ever and THE ENTIRE reason there is a drug czar and steroids being banned.Yet his kid turned out to be a coke head.
By the way,Al Gore was a HUGE anti-drug guy and often bragged how the Clinton administration spent more to stop drugs then any administration before it.So,you were wrong there.He was a strident anti drug anti tobacco advocate.
You see ,unlike you,I dont blame parents for every mistake a kid makes.Kids do what they will.Palin did her best,her kid took a wrong turn.Biden did his best his daughter took a wrong turn,Gore did his best,the kid did the wrong thing.You can only influence your kid so much.Did you do everything your parents told you to?I know I didnt.
And if Biden and Gore's kids paraded around telling the world to do as they say and not at they do then I'd mock them too.
I wonder why Bristol wasn't an "abstinence advocate" before she got knocked up. Maybe she was too busy partying and having sex and not using condoms. Oh well - kids will be kids
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another thing that can't be overlooked...
Gore's got the drug arrest when he was something like 30 years old, right?
Once a kid is an adult, they make their own decisions and are their own person.
When the child is under 18, it's a whole nother ballgame, as the parent lives wth them. In palin's case, she was spending half her time at the state capital while all the drinking, school skipping, and unprotected intercourse was going on back at wasilla.
are you saying that shes a BAD parent?
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And if Biden and Gore's kids paraded around telling the world to do as they say and not at they do then I'd mock them too.
I wonder why Bristol wasn't an "abstinence advocate" before she got knocked up. Maybe she was too busy partying and having sex and not using condoms. Oh well - kids will be kids
guarantee you that bidens and gores kids tell people not to use drugs.
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they are an advocate of pro life and she took the responsibility of having the child and not killing it and calling it a day. there are a lot of states that have laws in place where she could have had it "taken care of" without her parents ever knowing about it and this thread wouldn't exist. are you going to give her credit for that? well wait since shes associated with the GOP you're only going to bash her for what she did wrong. and would you rather a person who never had sex preach on abstinence? thats like having drug counselors at a rehab facility who never did drugs. how the hell could any addict relate to that. your point is not well thought out. you're obviously just looking to bash a palin because shes a palin.
so you think that they shouldn't preach abstinence? why? do you think that they didn't use condoms? of course they did. but then they started having sex one day without one on. and a whole new world opened up to them. so thinking that you can teach your kids about safe sex and actually having them practice it is a long shot at best.
and another thing. no one ever brings this up but who seriously needs to be taught how to use a fuckin condom? if you need to be taught how to use one you are mentally retarded and should't be having sex with anyone. like the fuckin guy who reads the instructions on a box of pop tarts. those are the kind of kids you're trusting to practice safe sex. good luck man.
and even longer shot is thinking your kid won't have sex
condoms have a pretty high success rate when they are actually used and they have a prophylactic benefit too (hence the name) so all parents should tell their kid IF they can't abstain then be sure to use a condom.
you know - just basic common sense
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and even longer shot is thinking your kid won't have sex
condoms have a pretty high success rate when they are actually used and they have a prophylactic too (hence the name) so all parents should tell their kid IF they can't abstain then be sure to use a condom.
you know - just basic common sense
heres another shot of common sense for you. your kid wont be responsible with condoms once he/she starts having sex. if you deny that you're just naive.
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guarantee you that bidens and gores kids tell people not to use drugs.
I wonder why I haven't seen them on all over the morning tv shows trying to make a career out of their own personal failures?
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heres another shot of common sense for you. your kid wont be responsible with condoms once he/she starts having sex. if you deny that you're just naive.
really ? so you're saying once kids have sex they won't actually have the willpower to use a condom to prevent pregnancy and disease but somehow they will have the willpower to actually not have sex
Aside from that I don't even agree with your premise. I would guess that there are plenty of sexually active teens and adults who are smart enough to not fuck up their lives and do actually use condoms. Maybe the reason we don't see them on TV is because they don't have kids or STD's. The "dog that didn't bark" is not a very compelling story
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I wonder why I haven't seen them on all over the morning tv shows trying to make a career out of their own personal failures?
so u think that former drug addicts who speak out on the issue and former criminals who make a point to lead kids in a different direction are all just hypocrites who are tryin to make a buck? or again are you just palin bashing because you feel that you can?
look. everyone makes mistakes. if you sit around and demonize everyone who makes mistakes in life well you're just an asshole. are you a parent? i bet you're not otherwise you wouldnt be so quick to pick on another parent's kids and be an armchair qb to palins parenting job. because when you become a parent you realize how hard a job that it is. and for the record anyone who blames al gore for his kids indiscretions is an asshole too. its easy to sit here and call public figures hypocrites when you're personal business is not discussed on an internet board for the whole world to see. you can sit back and let everyone assume that you've NEVER done anything wrong.
im not saying that teaching kids about safe sex is a bad idea either. i just jumped on here when i see posters ridiculing abstinence programs. especially posters who dont have kids. im not sitting here tellin people not to teach their kids safe sex. i think everyone should. but i also think abstinence is a good route as well. in my personal opinion, a better route.
i'll end with this. as long as we have 2 people having sex who dont love eachother, we will have unwanted pregnancies and a shitload of abortions. neither of which is good for our kids.
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guarantee you that bidens and gores kids tell people not to use drugs.
really - maybe they should contact Palins publicist because I've never seen either of them in the news on a daily basis talking about it
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really ? so you're saying once kids have sex they won't actually have the willpower to use a condom to prevent pregnancy and disease but somehow they will have the willpower to actually not have sex
Aside from that I don't even agree with your premise. I would guess that there are plenty of sexually active teens and adults who are smart enough to not fuck up their lives and do actually use condoms. Maybe the reason we don't see them on TV is because they don't have kids or STD's. The "dog that didn't bark" is not a very compelling story
ever had sex without a condom? are you married?
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really ? so you're saying once kids have sex they won't actually have the willpower to use a condom to prevent pregnancy and disease but somehow they will have the willpower to actually not have sex
Aside from that I don't even agree with your premise. I would guess that there are plenty of sexually active teens and adults who are smart enough to not fuck up their lives and do actually use condoms. Maybe the reason we don't see them on TV is because they don't have kids or STD's. The "dog that didn't bark" is not a very compelling story
Geeze ,40% of kids born in this country are born out of wedlock,70% of African Americans.Do you think all of them are religious nuts who were taught abstinance?My bet is the VAST MAJORITY were tught about condoms in school.Didnt seem to do much good.Were all those parents bad examples?
To 240.Al Gores kid was kicked out of high school for drugs.Too imply that this problem only surfaced at 30 is untrue.He has been in trouble from drugs since he was a teen.
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so u think that former drug addicts who speak out on the issue and former criminals who make a point to lead kids in a different direction are all just hypocrites who are tryin to make a buck? or again are you just palin bashing because you feel that you can?
look. everyone makes mistakes. if you sit around and demonize everyone who makes mistakes in life well you're just an asshole. are you a parent? i bet you're not otherwise you wouldnt be so quick to pick on another parent's kids and be an armchair qb to palins parenting job. because when you become a parent you realize how hard a job that it is. and for the record anyone who blames al gore for his kids indiscretions is an asshole too. its easy to sit here and call public figures hypocrites when you're personal business is not discussed on an internet board for the whole world to see. you can sit back and let everyone assume that you've NEVER done anything wrong.
im not saying that teaching kids about safe sex is a bad idea either. i just jumped on here when i see posters ridiculing abstinence programs. especially posters who dont have kids. im not sitting here tellin people not to teach their kids safe sex. i think everyone should. but i also think abstinence is a good route as well. in my personal opinion, a better route.
i'll end with this. as long as we have 2 people having sex who dont love eachother, we will have unwanted pregnancies and a shitload of abortions. neither of which is good for our kids.
I think former drug addict criminals, etc.. are perfect examples of what not to do but I don't thing teen sexual activity is the same thing.
Most people can overcome the urge to use drugs (assuming they are not already addicted) or commiting a crime but the urge to have sex is overwhelming and a natural and normal part of life
I might have a shred of respect for Bristol Palin if she went back to her original statement on Fox news that abstinence is not realistic and at least say that if you can't abstain then at least use a frigging condom. This abstinence only thing is just putting your head in the sand and ignoring the reality
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really ? so you're saying once kids have sex they won't actually have the willpower to use a condom to prevent pregnancy and disease but somehow they will have the willpower to actually not have sex
Aside from that I don't even agree with your premise. I would guess that there are plenty of sexually active teens and adults who are smart enough to not fuck up their lives and do actually use condoms. Maybe the reason we don't see them on TV is because they don't have kids or STD's. The "dog that didn't bark" is not a very compelling story
1.5 - 2 million abortions per year in this country alone. um yeah theres a whole lot if irresponsible ones out there. and i guarantee you they all know what a condom is. again im not the one ridiculing safe sex practices. i agree that it should be taught. you're the one who is so sure that abstinence programs dont work and safe sex education does.
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Geeze ,40% of kids born in this country are born out of wedlock,70% of African Americans.Do you think all of them are religious nuts who were taught abstinance?My bet is the VAST MAJORITY were tught about condoms in school.Didnt seem to do much good.Were all those parents bad examples?
To 240.Al Gores kid was kicked out of high school for drugs.Too imply that this problem only surfaced at 30 is untrue.He has been in trouble from drugs since he was a teen.
I'd have no problem blaming the parents assuming your #'s are correct. I suspect that a signficant portion of those out of wedlock births were to adults who probably have many/all kids out of wedlock. No question that's a huge problem for our society
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1.5 - 2 million abortions per year in this country alone. um yeah theres a whole lot if irresponsible ones out there. and i guarantee you they all know what a condom is. again im not the one ridiculing safe sex practices. i agree that it should be taught. you're the one who is so sure that abstinence programs dont work and safe sex education does.
bear - there are plenty of recent studies that show "abstinence only" training (which we've spent hundreds of millions of dollar on) is a complete failure
those 1.5 to 2 million abortions could have been avoided if those people had just abstained.....no?
how about we all get real and teach abstinence and also a back up plan just in case the human will power actually fails.
Shit - we have an obesity problem in this country mostly due to peoples lack of will power at what they shove down their pieholes.
The human will is prone to failure - we all know that is a fact
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bear - there are plenty of recent studies that show "abstinence only" training (which we've spent hundreds of millions of dollar on) is a complete failure
those 1.5 to 2 million abortions could have been avoided if those people had just abstained.....no?
how about we all get real and teach abstinence and also a back up plan just in case the human will power actually fails.
Shit - we have an obesity problem in this country mostly due to peoples lack of will power at what they shove down their pieholes.
The human will is prone to failure - we all know that is a fact
do you know anyone over 12 years old who doesnt know what a condom is? do you know anyone over 12 years old who doesnt know what the birth control pill is? your idea isnt working either. thats why i jump in on these threads when i see you picking on the people who preach abstinence. like you're the enlightened and they're so naive. its ridiculous. especially comin from someone who has no kids.
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do you know anyone over 12 years old who doesnt know what a condom is? do you know anyone over 12 years old who doesnt know what the birth control pill is? your idea isnt working either. thats why i jump in on these threads when i see you picking on the people who preach abstinence. like you're the enlightened and they're so naive. its ridiculous. especially comin from someone who has no kids.
I'm not picking on people for preaching abstinence I'm picking on people for preaching abstinence ONLY.
remember Bristol is already on the record saying abstinence is not realistic (something anyone over the age of 12 probably knows too)
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When teaching abstinence, do you also teach about condoms and birth control pills?
If not, then yes, there are people over the age of 12 who don't know what they are.
If yes, then that is teaching abstinence with a back up plan.
Sandra
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When teaching abstinence, do you also teach about condoms and birth control pills?
If not, then yes, there are people over the age of 12 who don't know what they are.
If yes, then that is teaching abstinence with a back up plan.
Sandra
sounds logical - too bad we can't get the christians on board with that idea.
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sounds logical - too bad we can't get the christians on board with that idea.
well i wish you two the best of luck when you have kids. im not tryin to be a smartass either. i sincerely hope that one way or the other none of us ends up with a pregnant 13 year old. but if any of us do i hope we can show that kid that life is something to be cherished and having sex comes with a responsibility to the life that you may create.
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bottom line - whether abstinance is right or wrong - it's working a lot less, and a lot fewer people are subscribing to it.
Palin might be right, but 1) about 20% of america agrees, and 2) the plan didn't even work in her own house - but partially because the kids were allowed to quit school and drink at home all day. Had her kid been at debate team practice or algabra class, there would have been a lot less time to have sex and drink. Sure it still happens, but when you let a 16 or year old girl quit school and party with the boytoy all day while you're hundreds of miles away at work, well...
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bottom line - whether abstinance is right or wrong - it's working a lot less, and a lot fewer people are subscribing to it.
Palin might be right, but 1) about 20% of america agrees, and 2) the plan didn't even work in her own house - but partially because the kids were allowed to quit school and drink at home all day. Had her kid been at debate team practice or algabra class, there would have been a lot less time to have sex and drink. Sure it still happens, but when you let a 16 or year old girl quit school and party with the boytoy all day while you're hundreds of miles away at work, well...
i make it a point to not judge someone's parenting based upon what i see on tv. i dont think im qualified to judge someone else when i dont know them or their situation. i think its hateful and unfair.
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i make it a point to not judge someone's parenting based upon what i see on tv. i dont think im qualified to judge someone else when i dont know them or their situation. i think its hateful and unfair.
yes. but palin wants to tell others how to parent. she wants to take options from women. she wants to remove sex ed form schools. and in 2006 she used her own kids as examples in the gov debate.
family has no part in politics - some politicians choose to use their kids as props as they legislate morality.
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and i'm in agreement with palin on most of her positions, actually.
I just think it's hypocritical. Like larry craig voting against gay rights then having gay sex in bathroom.
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bottom line - whether abstinance is right or wrong - it's working a lot less, and a lot fewer people are subscribing to it.
Palin might be right, but 1) about 20% of america agrees, and 2) the plan didn't even work in her own house - but partially because the kids were allowed to quit school and drink at home all day. Had her kid been at debate team practice or algabra class, there would have been a lot less time to have sex and drink. Sure it still happens, but when you let a 16 or year old girl quit school and party with the boytoy all day while you're hundreds of miles away at work, well...
Im not sure where your getting that?I didnt know she dropped out of high school until AFTER she had the baby.I could be wrong,but I thought she was still in high school while pregnant.
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well i wish you two the best of luck when you have kids. im not tryin to be a smartass either. i sincerely hope that one way or the other none of us ends up with a pregnant 13 year old. but if any of us do i hope we can show that kid that life is something to be cherished and having sex comes with a responsibility to the life that you may create.
what's your alternative - preach abstinence and then pray that it works?
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what's your alternative - preach abstinence and then pray that it works?
no i want to teach responsibility. i want my kids to make informed decisions and i want them to learn to take responsibility for whatever they choose. if they choose to have sex, well then they choose to take responsibility for any life that may be created. and do i think that public schools should be talking about sex at all with my kids? no. i want my son to learn math, science, and english at school. i'll parent him. thats why i had him. right now all our kids learn is "wear condoms. but hey if you dont have any and she gets pregnant just go get an abortion." and in some states they say. "and fuck your parents. we'll let you get one without them knowing" i dont know about you, but i have a problem with that. if my kid gets some girl pregnant, i wanna know about it.
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no i want to teach responsibility. i want my kids to make informed decisions and i want them to learn to take responsibility for whatever they choose. if they choose to have sex, well then they choose to take responsibility for any life that may be created. and do i think that public schools should be talking about sex at all with my kids? no. i want my son to learn math, science, and english at school. i'll parent him. thats why i had him. right now all our kids learn is "wear condoms. but hey if you dont have any and she gets pregnant just go get an abortion." and in some states they say. "and fuck your parents. we'll let you get one without them knowing" i dont know about you, but i have a problem with that. if my kid gets some girl pregnant, i wanna know about it.
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i love your horrible assumption that you have an idea that works. you can sit back and bash people who believe in abstinence all you want but if you are an unmarried person who has had sex without a condom, then you're just the worst kind of hypocrite. and dont come back at me with "she was on the pill" with all the STD's in this country.
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i love your horrible assumption that you have an idea that works. you can sit back and bash people who believe in abstinence all you want but if you are an unmarried person who has had sex without a condom, then you're just the worst kind of hypocrite. and dont come back at me with "she was on the pill" with all the STD's in this country.
??? Uhmm...not married and when I do have sex, I use a condom...huh? Who are you talking to?
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??? Uhmm...not married and when I do have sex, I use a condom...huh? Who are you talking to?
well if you are using one every time. i will be the first to personally applaud that. but you sir are a minority. if you were a majority, this thread wouldnt exist. i do think condoms work......if you use them. i personally hate them. its crazy that there are people out there who have NEVER had sex without one.
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well if you are using one every time. i will be the first to personally applaud that. but you sir are a minority. if you were a majority, this thread wouldnt exist. i do think condoms work......if you use them. i personally hate them. its crazy that there are people out there who have NEVER had sex without one.
I agree and that is why I practise abstinence. ;D
Plus the things attached to the vaginal orifice are enormously stressful, walking headaches most of the time... :-\
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A few comments:
1. I agree with most of what bears has said in this thread. Very realistic and common sense approach, probably because he's a parent (and a smart guy).
2. When I say "condoms don't work," I'm referring to the fact that kids will not consistently use them. The alarming number of teen pregnancies in this country for decades pretty much proves this. Condoms are all over the place and available for free at some clinics. Despite this, kids don't consistently use them. They never will.
3. Kids are not ready for sex. Is there anyone, particularly a parent, who really believes that a 13-year-old is ready for sex? Ready to be a parent? Able to deal with a STD?
4. The attack on the children of politicians is shameful. I did not agree with those who attacked Chelsea, Bush's daughters, Gore's kids, or Palin's kids. And the attacks are always partisan. Kids should be off limits IMO.
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A few comments:
1. I agree with most of what bears has said in this thread. Very realistic and common sense approach, probably because he's a parent (and a smart guy).
2. When I say "condoms don't work," I'm referring to the fact that kids will not consistently use them. The alarming number of teen pregnancies in this country for decades pretty much proves this. Condoms are all over the place and available for free at some clinics. Despite this, kids don't consistently use them. They never will.
3. Kids are not ready for sex. Is there anyone, particularly a parent, who really believes that a 13-year-old is ready for sex? Ready to be a parent? Able to deal with a STD?
4. The attack on the children of politicians is shameful. I did not agree with those who attacked Chelsea, Bush's daughters, Gore's kids, or Palin's kids. And the attacks are always partisan. Kids should be off limits IMO.
How are you going to 'enforce' abstinence Beach Bum?
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How are you going to 'enforce' abstinence Beach Bum?
the same way you will enforce the condom use.
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I agree and that is why I practise abstinence. ;D
Plus the things attached to the vaginal orifice are enormously stressful, walking headaches most of the time... :-\
now thats funny.
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now thats funny.
If it weren't so sad, it actually would be... :(
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How are you going to 'enforce' abstinence Beach Bum?
Are you talking about society or me as a parent?
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Are you talking about society or me as a parent?
Both.
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Both.
Society doesn't "enforce" birth control methods. It educates.
Same with parents. You educate your kids, set a good example, develop their critical thinking skills, and put them in the position to make the best possible choices. You can control many of your kids' choices up to a certain age, then it's on them and hopefully they do the right thing most of the time, assuming the parents have done their job.
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Society doesn't "enforce" birth control methods. It educates.
Same with parents. You educate your kids, set a good example, develop their critical thinking skills, and put them in the position to make the best possible choices. You can control many of your kids' choices up to a certain age, then it's on them and hopefully they do the right thing most of the time, assuming the parents have done their job.
What would happen if you heard your kids got pregnant?
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What would happen if you heard your kids got pregnant?
I have no idea. I hope it's something I never have to deal with.
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I have no idea. I hope it's something I never have to deal with.
Well, at least you realise you can't control your kids' behaviour.
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Well, at least you realise you can't control your kids' behaviour.
Yes I realize that. Despite my best efforts (and I'm not a perfect parent by any means), my kids aren't immune from bad choices.
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What would happen if you heard your kids got pregnant?
thats a good question. i think the first step is to raise my child so that he/she wouldn't be afraid to tell me. I have to make sure my son knows that i love him unconditionally. And that I will love him no matter what he does (unless he tries to take the big piece of chicken at dinner of course. then hes a fuckin dead man). But what i will tell him is that he is a father now. He was mature enough to fuck he shoudl be mature enough to deal with the consequences. He has a responsibility to take care of the life that he created. Aw? Your life isn't going to turn out the way you expected? Walk it off. Just because life has thrown you a curveball doesn't mean that you can't be happy. Take the righteous path. It will be a tougher path no doubt. But in the end you will be a happier man for it.
If more boys had fathers who were there to give this advice, more boys would have fathers who would be there to give this advice. see what i mean?
Our society is raising a generation of boys. we need to start raising men. Thats not to say that we need to raise people that dont make mistakes. We just need people who are taught the humility and the strength to take responsibility for those mistakes. I personally have done some horrible things in my life. especially with women. When you live your life the way I did you have two choices. You can admit to yourself that what you did was wrong and move forward or you can spend the rest of your life trying to rationalize that what you did wasnt bad and attacking all the people who say that it is. The latter leads to nowhere believe me.
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thats a good question. i think the first step is to raise my child so that he/she wouldn't be afraid to tell me. I have to make sure my son knows that i love him unconditionally. And that I will love him no matter what he does (unless he tries to take the big piece of chicken at dinner of course. then hes a fuckin dead man). But what i will tell him is that he is a father now. He was mature enough to fuck he shoudl be mature enough to deal with the consequences. He has a responsibility to take care of the life that he created. Aw? Your life isn't going to turn out the way you expected? Walk it off. Just because life has thrown you a curveball doesn't mean that you can't be happy. Take the righteous path. It will be a tougher path no doubt. But in the end you will be a happier man for it.
If more boys had fathers who were there to give this advice, more boys would have fathers who would be there to give this advice. see what i mean?
Our society is raising a generation of boys. we need to start raising men. Thats not to say that we need to raise people that dont make mistakes. We just need people who are taught the humility and the strength to take responsibility for those mistakes. I personally have done some horrible things in my life. especially with women. When you live your life the way I did you have two choices. You can admit to yourself that what you did was wrong and move forward or you can spend the rest of your life trying to rationalize that what you did wasnt bad and attacking all the people who say that it is. The latter leads to nowhere believe me.
Women do lots of horrible things as well, sadly, no one speaks of it.
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Women do lots of horrible things as well, sadly, no one speaks of it.
totally. or they just blame it on men.
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totally. or they just blame it on men.
QFT...some LITERALLY get away with murder...
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QFT...some LITERALLY get away with murder...
All the fucking time.
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thats a good question. i think the first step is to raise my child so that he/she wouldn't be afraid to tell me. I have to make sure my son knows that i love him unconditionally. And that I will love him no matter what he does (unless he tries to take the big piece of chicken at dinner of course. then hes a fuckin dead man). But what i will tell him is that he is a father now. He was mature enough to fuck he shoudl be mature enough to deal with the consequences. He has a responsibility to take care of the life that he created. Aw? Your life isn't going to turn out the way you expected? Walk it off. Just because life has thrown you a curveball doesn't mean that you can't be happy. Take the righteous path. It will be a tougher path no doubt. But in the end you will be a happier man for it.
If more boys had fathers who were there to give this advice, more boys would have fathers who would be there to give this advice. see what i mean?
Our society is raising a generation of boys. we need to start raising men. Thats not to say that we need to raise people that dont make mistakes. We just need people who are taught the humility and the strength to take responsibility for those mistakes. I personally have done some horrible things in my life. especially with women. When you live your life the way I did you have two choices. You can admit to yourself that what you did was wrong and move forward or you can spend the rest of your life trying to rationalize that what you did wasnt bad and attacking all the people who say that it is. The latter leads to nowhere believe me.
Well said. I really agree with the raising men part. This is part of the reason a two parent family (husband and wife) is so important. Really hard for a woman to raise a man IMO.
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no i want to teach responsibility. i want my kids to make informed decisions and i want them to learn to take responsibility for whatever they choose. if they choose to have sex, well then they choose to take responsibility for any life that may be created. and do i think that public schools should be talking about sex at all with my kids? no. i want my son to learn math, science, and english at school. i'll parent him. thats why i had him. right now all our kids learn is "wear condoms. but hey if you dont have any and she gets pregnant just go get an abortion." and in some states they say. "and fuck your parents. we'll let you get one without them knowing" i dont know about you, but i have a problem with that. if my kid gets some girl pregnant, i wanna know about it.
for the most part I agree with everything you've written. I do think there is a place for basic sex education, disease prevention etc.. in public schools and parents can always opt out. I think that's valuable because many parents will never have that discussion with their kids (which of course they should)
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All the fucking time.
Ex tried to kill me, got off scott free..
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Ex tried to kill me, got off scott free..
seriously? damn. thats a whole new thread.
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You guys are just haters.
All women are princesses.
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2. When I say "condoms don't work," I'm referring to the fact that kids will not consistently use them. The alarming number of teen pregnancies in this country for decades pretty much proves this. Condoms are all over the place and available for free at some clinics. Despite this, kids don't consistently use them. They never will.
Bum - how do you know "kids" consistently won't use condoms and "never will".
Have you/Will you tell your kids that if they have sex then they should use a condom or do you tell them nothing about condoms and just say abstinence only and leave it at that?
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You guys are just haters.
All women are princesses.
I know coming from YOU, that has to be sarcasm! ;D
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Bum - how do you know "kids" consistently won't use condoms and "never will".
Have you/Will you tell your kids that if they have sex then they should use a condom or do you tell them nothing about condoms and just say abstinence only and leave it at that?
Common sense. Life experience. Statistics. Bristol Palin is a prime example of what kids do with condoms.
Absolutely not. I would never teach a kid how to use a condom or put a kid on the pill. What I teach my kids is sex is God's gift to marriage. It's a wonderful, guilt-free activity when it's done right (i.e., between husband and wife). Whether they choose to follow the training my wife and I provide is up to them. What I will not do is teach them how to engage in reckless, dangerous behavior. I don't send mixed messages.
Do you have kids?
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Bristol Palin is a prime example of what kids do with condoms.
she's also a prime example of what happens when parents tried to raise them using only abstinence.
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she's also a prime example of what happens when parents tried to raise them using only abstinence.
Haha...getbig's guntoting pimp laying down the truth!
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she's also a prime example of what happens when parents tried to raise them using only abstinence.
Hardly. They had condoms. Knew how to use them. And didn't. Her parents telling her to use them wouldn't have made a hill of beans difference.
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Haha...getbig's guntoting pimp laying down the truth!
dont worry... some unarmed bill clinton voter will be here in 2 seconds to call me a lib ;)
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Hardly. They had condoms. Knew how to use them. And didn't. Her parents telling her to use them wouldn't have made a hill of beans difference.
you'e accusing palin of lying?
She taught abstinence in her house dude.
if they got condoms, they werent form her. She's a strict proponent of abstinence.
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you'e accusing palin of lying?
She taught abstinence in her house dude.
if they got condoms, they werent form her. She's a strict proponent of abstinence.
What? Did Bristol Palin deny they had condoms, because her boyfriend said they had them, sometimes used them, and sometimes didn't.
It does not matter if her parents gave her the condoms or not. The fact is she had them and didn't use them. Like most teenagers.
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Common sense. Life experience. Statistics. Bristol Palin is a prime example of what kids do with condoms.
Absolutely not. I would never teach a kid how to use a condom or put a kid on the pill. What I teach my kids is sex is God's gift to marriage. It's a wonderful, guilt-free activity when it's done right (i.e., between husband and wife). Whether they choose to follow the training my wife and I provide is up to them. What I will not do is teach them how to engage in reckless, dangerous behavior. I don't send mixed messages.
Do you have kids?
I don't have kids but if/when I do I will be completely honest with them and tell them exactly the same things I've said in this thread.
I'm actually kind of stunned that you would NOT tell your kids about condoms.....well actually I guess I shouldn't be suprised because you're pretty dogmatic in your beliefs even when the defy common sense. BTW - condom use is actually quite high among teenage boys. I doubt you're interested in actual fact but just in case here you go: www.childtrends.org/Files/Child_Trends-2008_10_30_FS_CondomUse.pdf
I assume neither you or your wife never had pre-marital sex.
You were both virgins when you got married.....RIGHT?
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I don't have kids but if/when I do I will be completely honest with them and tell them exactly the same things I've said in this thread.
I'm actually kind of stunned that you would NOT tell your kids about condoms.....well actually I guess I shouldn't be suprised because you're pretty dogmatic in your beliefs even when the defy common sense. BTW - condom use is actually quite high among teenage boys. I doubt you're interested in actual fact but just in case here you go: www.childtrends.org/Files/Child_Trends-2008_10_30_FS_CondomUse.pdf
I assume neither you or your wife never had pre-marital sex.
You were both virgins when you got married.....RIGHT?
I'm not surprised you don't have kids. It's actually fairly obvious by your comments.
I looked at your link. Did you even read it? lol . . . . One of the findings: "Just one-half of sexually active teen males reported using a condom consistently with their most recent sexual partners." It also said older teenaged males were less likely to use them consistently over time. Like I’ve previously said, kids will not consistently use them. Thanks for providing support for my opinion.
You shouldn't be surprised that I teach my kids abstinence. I've said it a hundred times on the board.
And I'm not dumb enough to talk about my indiscretions, whatever they are, past or present, on the internet, like you talking about smoking marijuana. :-*
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I'm not surprised you don't have kids. It's actually fairly obvious by your comments.
I looked at your link. Did you even read it? lol . . . . One of the findings: "Just one-half of sexually active teen males reported using a condom consistently with their most recent sexual partners." It also said older teenaged males were less likely to use them consistently over time. Like I’ve previously said, kids will not consistently use them. Thanks for providing support for my opinion.
You shouldn't be surprised that I teach my kids abstinence. I've said it a hundred times on the board.
And I'm not dumb enough to talk about my indiscretions, whatever they are, past or present, on the internet, like you talking about smoking marijuana. :-*
of course I read the link
Here are some highlights:
- 71% said the used condoms at first sex
- 71 % they used condoms at last sex (among those who had sex in the past 3 months)
- 68% condom consistency in last 4 weeks (among those who had sex in the past 3 months)
- Teen males who received any formal sex education instruction have higher levels of condom use and consistency
- Positive attitudes about using condoms are associated with higher levels of condom use and consistency
btw Bum - why did you bring up marijuana. You've still never confirmed or denied that you've smoked pot (my guess is that you have but it would make you look like a complete hypocrite to admit it so you simply avoid answering the question)
Here are two simple yes or no questions.
1. Have you ever smoked pot ?
2. Were you and your wife virgins when you got married ?
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of course I read the link
Here are some highlights:
- 71% said the used condoms at first sex
- 71 % they used condoms at last sex (among those who had sex in the past 3 months)
- 68% condom consistency in last 4 weeks (among those who had sex in the past 3 months)
- Teen males who received any formal sex education instruction have higher levels of condom use and consistency
- Positive attitudes about using condoms are associated with higher levels of condom use and consistency
btw Bum - why did you bring up marijuana. You've still never confirmed or denied that you've smoked pot (my guess is that you have but it would make you look like a complete hypocrite to admit it so you simply avoid answering the question)
Here are two simple yes or no questions.
1. Have you ever smoked pot ?
2. Were you and your wife virgins when you got married ?
Condom use when they first have sex is completely irrelevant, unless the kid is going to have one sexual encounter. The link confirms what I've been saying all along: once kids experience sex with and without condoms, they will not consistently use them. That's what your link shows. lol. . . . Funny! :)
This is in addition to the fact that kids are not prepared for sex. It's not something that should be encouraged at all.
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Common sense. Life experience. Statistics. Bristol Palin is a prime example of what kids do with condoms.
Absolutely not. I would never teach a kid how to use a condom or put a kid on the pill. What I teach my kids is sex is God's gift to marriage. It's a wonderful, guilt-free activity when it's done right (i.e., between husband and wife). Whether they choose to follow the training my wife and I provide is up to them. What I will not do is teach them how to engage in reckless, dangerous behavior. I don't send mixed messages.
Do you have kids?
Beach, are your kids that age yet?
Because all the teaching and preaching in the world pales in comparison to hormones. If they start having sex will you teach them about birth control or will you take your chances and potentially become a Grampa? Will you allow others, like their peers teach them instead?
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Hey Bum,
Here's a purely hypothetical parenting question for you.
Do you think it's responsible parenting to assume ones children will not have the same human frailties and "indiscretions" that the parents themselves may have suffered and not teach ones children to protect their health and future in the event one of those unfortunate "indiscretions" might happen
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Condom use when they first have sex is completely irrelevant, unless the kid is going to have one sexual encounter. The link confirms what I've been saying all along: once kids experience sex with and without condoms, they will not consistently use them. That's what your link shows. lol. . . . Funny! :)
This is in addition to the fact that kids are not prepared for sex. It's not something that should be encouraged at all.
please point to one fact in that link that supports your statement.
the lowest level of compliance was 50% and the facts support that the more education and the less shame associated with condom use the higher the compliance
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Beach, are your kids that age yet?
Because all the teaching and preaching in the world pales in comparison to hormones. If they start having sex will you teach them about birth control or will you take your chances and potentially become a Grampa? Will you allow others, like their peers teach them instead?
he already said he would not and I personally can't see how that can be the logical choice in any circumstance.
Bum - what if your child slips up just once and instead of getting pregant contracts HIV
that would be a real bummer
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I really don't care about the politics of Bristol Palin......I just want to see some hot photos of her naked....(hope that isn't considered to be child porn).....if that ex-boyfriend of her's really wants to make himself useful he will post some hot pics of Bristol on here so we can all whack off!
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I really don't care about the politics of Bristol Palin......I just want to see some hot photos of her naked....(hope that isn't considered to be child porn).....if that ex-boyfriend of her's really wants to make himself useful he will post some hot pics of Bristol on here so we can all whack off!
give it a year or two and I'm sure your wish will be granted.
I'm pretty sure she'll get knocked up again before she ever get's married
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Beach, are your kids that age yet?
Because all the teaching and preaching in the world pales in comparison to hormones. If they start having sex will you teach them about birth control or will takes your chances and potentially become a Grampa? Will you allow others, like their peers teach them instead?
Teach them what specifically Ozmo? How to use condoms? How to get a birth control prescription?
But in response to your questions, what you say about what we teach kids is true and we can say that about everything we teach them. They can be real hard heads. And when you add in hormones it can be a dangerous combination.
I teach my kids about sex, so they don't have to learn it from their peers. I'm actually in a constant battle with their peers, Hollywood, etc. over what is right and wrong. It's hard work.
This is how I see this whole subject: kids are not ready for sex. They're too young to be parents. Disease is pretty rampant. Kids should not be having sex. I think most parents agree with this. If that's the case, then this is the message we should give kids. We shouldn't surrender and say they are animals who completely lack self-control and take them to Planned Parenthood when they turn 12 or 13. We shouldn't send mixed messages by telling a kid to not have sex, and in the next breath give them a condom (that they're not going to use anyway).
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he already said he would not and I personally can't see how that can be the logical choice in any circumstance.
Bum - what if your child slips up just once and instead of getting pregant contracts HIV
that would be a real bummer
If you ever have kids Straw, and I'm assuming you don't based on what i know, you have to respect BB intentions even if you don't feel they are realistic.
Parenthood is an incredibly powerful thing that can dramatically change a person.
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Did you see Idiocracy? It had a lot of the same people. Even the guy you just posted a pic of although I bet most didn't pick him out.
yes, awesome movie!
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If you ever have kids Straw, and I'm assuming you don't based on what i know, you have to respect BB intentions even if you don't feel they are realistic.
Parenthood is an incredibly powerful thing that can dramatically change a person.
I've already said I don't have kids and if/when I do I will speak and treat them like the intelligent human beings that they will be
honestly - I have zero respect for anyone endagers his own children by denying reality.
The reality is that humans are weak and a responsible parent should teach his/her children to protect their health in the event of that "indiscretion" which Bum has most likely experienced himself
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Teach them what specifically Ozmo? How to use condoms? How to get a birth control prescription?
But in response to your questions, what you say about what we teach kids is true and we can say that about everything we teach them. They can be real hard heads. And when you add in hormones it can be a dangerous combination.
I teach my kids about sex, so they don't have to learn it from their peers. I'm actually in a constant battle with their peers, Hollywood, etc. over what is right and wrong. It's hard work.
This is how I see this whole subject: kids are not ready for sex. They're too young to be parents. Disease is pretty rampant. Kids should not be having sex. I think most parents agree with this. If that's the case, then this is the message we should give kids. We shouldn't surrender and say they are animals who completely lack self-control and take them to Planned Parenthood when they turn 12 or 13. We shouldn't send mixed messages by telling a kid to not have sex, and in the next breath give them a condom (that they're not going to use anyway).
Take them to planned parent hood when they turn 12 or 13? OMG! Yikes!
My point is that you can teach them all you want and still hormones win. If hormones win and you didn't make contraception a no strings attached option, you may end up with a pregnant daughter who feels she's disappointed you all her life.
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yes, awesome movie!
It's what plants CRAVE!!!!!!!!!
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I've already said I don't have kids and if/when I do I will speak and treat them like the intelligent human beings that they will be
honestly - I have zero respect for anyone endagers his own children by denying reality.
The reality is that humans are weak and a responsible parent should teach his/her children to protect their health in the event of that "indiscretion" which Bum has most likely experienced himself
Most journeys start with the best of intentions.
Be careful not to judge another's path if you haven't experienced his burdens.
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Take them to planned parent hood when they turn 12 or 13? OMG! Yikes!
My point is that you can teach them all you want and still hormones win. If hormones win and you didn't make contraception a no strings attached option, you may end up with a pregnant daughter who feels she's disappointed you all her life.
that pretty much sums up what an intelligent and reality based adult would teach their child
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What is the correct age for a person to have sex?
I keep seeing "kids" aren't ready to have sex.
What is the correct age?
If they get married under the age of 21, is that old enough to have sex?
If you have never had sex and are at the age of 21, what makes you prepared for it?
I teach my children about safe sex, condoms, diseases, birth control.
I know that once they leave the house and are left to their own devices and what the world has to offer, all I can depend on is what they learned at home.
My children will be the first to tell you their parent's are NOT their friends. We ARE their parents.
Judge Judy asks "how can you tell when a teenager is lying? Their mouths are moving."
Sandra
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Take them to planned parent hood when they turn 12 or 13? OMG! Yikes!
My point is that you can teach them all you want and still hormones win. If hormones win and you didn't make contraception a no strings attached option, you may end up with a pregnant daughter who feels she's disappointed you all her life.
Or not. :)
If a parent is going to teach their kids how to use condoms, they should do it when the kids hit puberty, which is about 12 or 13 these days.
I understand where you're coming from. But . . . one of the things condom et al. use assumes is kids will actually step out of their alien bodies and be completely responsible with condoms. The link provided earlier shows just the opposite: only half the kids (probably much less) will actually consistently use them.
I actually think giving kids that stuff can have the opposite effect. Give them a false sense of security and encourage sexual activity.
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Most journeys start with the best of intentions.
Be careful not to judge another's path if you haven't experienced his burdens.
:)
I'm 42 years old and I have plenty of friends with kids and there are children in my family.
I can guarantee you that if/when I ever have kids that birth control, contraception and protecting their health and future will not be a controversial issue.
sex in general will not be an issue and won't be a subject of shame
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Or not. :)
If a parent is going to teach their kids how to use condoms, they should do it when the kids hit puberty, which is about 12 or 13 these days.
I understand where you're coming from. But . . . one of the things condom et al. use assumes is kids will actually step out of their alien bodies and be completely responsible with condoms. The link provided earlier shows just the opposite: only half the kids (probably much less) will actually consistently use them.
I actually think giving kids that stuff can have the opposite effect. Give them a false sense of security and encourage sexual activity.
Bum - stop making up your own "facts"
50% was the lowest # and the vast majority were closer to 70% and education and lack of stigma all increased the percentage.
What exactly is your problem with teaching your kids that in case they are "weak" that they should protect themselves from disease and unplanned pregnancy. What EXACTLY is the problem with that?
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It's what plants CRAVE!!!!!!!!!
hahaha
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2270/2446501638_cfca885a66_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2072/2446497802_3bc547bdd2_b.jpg)
:D :D
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unfortunately at the age of 12 or 13, your child may have already been exposed to topics on and about sex.
Television, music, sexting, computers, magazines, books, etc
Sex is all over the place in one form or another.
You don't know how your child's peers discuss this amongst themselves.
Again, you can only hope all of the home training has an impact against peer onslaught.
Sandra
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unfortunately at the age of 12 or 13, your child may have already been exposed to topics on and about sex.
Television, music, sexting, computers, magazines, books, etc
Sex is all over the place in one form or another.
You don't know how your child's peers discuss this amongst themselves.
Again, you can only hope all of the home training has an impact against peer onslaught.
Sandra
very true
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Bum - quite making up your own facts.
50% was the lowest # and the vast majority were closer to 70% and education and lack of stigma all increased the percentage.
What exactly is your problem with teaching your kids that in case they are "weak" that they should protect themselves from disease and unplanned pregnancy. What EXACTLY is the problem with that?
Quit distoring your own link. Seventy percent did not relate to long-term use. Here is the quote from you link about long-term use:
"Just one-half of sexually active teen males reported using a condom consistently with their most recent sexual partners."
You should quite while you're behind. lol I'll be using that link. [still laughing :)]
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My children will be the first to tell you their parent's are NOT their friends. We ARE their parents.
Judge Judy asks "how can you tell when a teenager is lying? Their mouths are moving."
Sandra
I pretty much agree with the other stuff i deleted but this i don't agree with.
I think it's important to be both otherwise kids will not always feel they can confide and "talk" to you about certain things for fear of punishment. I have a daughter that's going to be 21 in June and a son who's going to be 18 in June. I've been in the thick of it for some time. I have been able to influence them in way never before dreamed of by my parents.
I think Judge Judy's opinion is cynical and negative. She obviously raised some passive aggressive children.
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unfortunately at the age of 12 or 13, your child may have already been exposed to topics on and about sex.
Television, music, sexting, computers, magazines, books, etc
Sex is all over the place in one form or another.
You don't know how your child's peers discuss this amongst themselves.
Again, you can only hope all of the home training has an impact against peer onslaught.
Sandra
Yes I do, and it isn't pretty. :-\
I agree with your last sentence.
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I'm 42 years old and I have plenty of friends with kids and there are children in my family.
I can guarantee you that if/when I ever have kids that birth control, contraception and protecting their health and future will not be a controversial issue.
sex in general will not be an issue and won't be a subject of shame
This is something, much thanks to their Mom at first, I now very much agree with. Too much "shame" is attached to sex and our bodies.
I remember being at one of my children's cousin's house on their mom's side once and the 9 year old cousin and parents where watching a movie. There was a scene where the leading actors were kissing and the parents changed the channel to a war movie saying that the kid shouldn't learn about sex, but it's ok for the kid to watch cowboys killing Indians.
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I think it's important to be both otherwise kids will not always feel they can confide and "talk" to you about certain things for fear of punishment. I have a daughter that's going to be 21 in June and a son who's going to be 18 in June. I've been in the thick of it for some time. I have been able to influence them in way never before dreamed of by my parents.
I agree. If your kids trust you, they will confide in you, and will be more likely to follow your training, and more importantly your example.
But I'm out. Gotta kid pick up one kid, train with the other. Been running my cyber mouth all day with you people. :)
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I think that there will ALWAYS be something that a person will keep to themselves.
Did you confide every nth of your distress in your teenage years to your parents?
Is there no stone unturned in your angst years that you could confide in no one?
Your teen is going to tell you when they cut school? tried the first cigarette? first drink? first drug? first grope?
What would your teen do to keep the parent in the dark because they may not be so innocent in some hijinks?
Would you trust your teen(18 and above) in your house alone while out of town for a weekend?
Sandra
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Quit distoring your own link. Seventy percent did not relate to long-term use. Here is the quote from you link about long-term use:
"Just one-half of sexually active teen males reported using a condom consistently with their most recent sexual partners."
You should quite while you're behind. lol I'll be using that link. [still laughing :)]
yes please do use that link. Most adults with normal brain function will be able to understand what it's saying
As I have also pointed out - 50% is the LOWEST level of compliance noted in the study
The worst case scenario is 1 out of 2 will use a condom
here's the summary of the pdf link:
Although condom use among teen males is fairly high, one out of three is not using a condom the first or most recent time he has sex and one out of two is not using condoms consistently in his most recent sexual relationship. Inconsistent condom use increases the risk of STIs and potentially unintended pregnancy. The study on which this Fact Sheet is based found that multiple dimensions of a male teen’s life influence his condom use and consistency. Increasing access to formal sex education, reducing the number of risky sexual partners, maintaining condom use and consistency in longer relationships, and improving attitudes about condom use are all promising strategies for improving male involvement in contraceptive use within relationships and reducing high rates on teen pregnancy and STIs in the United States.
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I think that there will ALWAYS be something that a person will keep to themselves.
Agreed and it should be that way.
Did you confide every nth of your distress in your teenage years to your parents?
I didn't. I didn't have that kind of relationship with them to the degree I'm talking about. Not that they were bad parents. They were great.
Is there no stone unturned in your angst years that you could confide in no one?
Not sure what you mean by that.
Your teen is going to tell you when they cut school?
Yep. My son did.
tried the first cigarette? first drink? first drug? first grope?
My daughter with their mom did. I wasn't as approachable 5 years ago. Hadn't learned the value of being approachable yet.
What would your teen do to keep the parent in the dark because they may not be so innocent in some hijinks?
That's passive aggressive behavior. Allowing them to talk to me, to talk it out, helps lessen that. I don't expect it to disappear because to a degree it human nature to buck full responsibility.
Would you trust your teen(18 and above) in your house alone while out of town for a weekend?
Sandra
Yes. And have.
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Yes I do, and it isn't pretty. :-\
I agree with your last sentence.
Life isn't pretty.
Last week a athlete fell over dead from a heart attack while running in track practice(no drugs)
A sophomore has throat clamydia.
This week...Today, the school was on "lock down" because of a police chase ended in our town, 2 blocks away from the high school.
This is the conversation I am having with my 18yr old and school personnel.
It was safer living in the "hood"
Teens working now have dispoable income,Media is targeting them.
Sandra
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Agreed and it should be that way.
I didn't. I didn't have that kind of relationship with them to the degree I'm talking about. Not that they were bad parents. They were great.
Not sure what you mean by that.
By this I meant every toe stub and bully punch.
Yep. My son did.
What did you do when he told you?
My daughter with their mom did. I wasn't as approachable 5 years ago. Hadn't learned the value of being approachable yet.
What did mom do? In the two instances above, what was the punishment if any?
That's passive aggressive behavior. Allowing them to talk to me, to talk it out, helps lessen that. I don't expect it to disappear because to a degree it human nature to buck full responsibility.
At some point you hve to acknowledge the cord is being cut. Life shows you thta sometimes when you fuck up, there is no support system to talk it out with.
Yes. And have.
I only would when they have lived on their own and understand the responsibitity of home ownership.
Sandra
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When my son skipped school i asked him the reason he did it. After he explained to me why he did I talked to him about how every choice made regardless of reasons have consequences. He didn't skip school because of the typical reasons kids skip school. Because it was his first time ever skipping, the consequences he dealt with were from the school. It was understood that if it ever happened again there would be consequences from me also and that next time he was faced with though choices I encouraged him to come to me first to help make a better choice. Since, he hasn't to my knowledge ever skipped school again.
The other stuff ended without punishment on the first instance either. My son is pretty straight and narrow but my daughter is a regular hell raiser. The standing rule is as long as we are alive is that both my children can call us at anytime in their lives if they are too drunk or stoned or whatever to drive or don't have a fully sober ride and we will come and pick them up without fear or consequence. (not that we aren't going to say a great deal about it) It's never had to happen so far, thank god.
At some point you hve to acknowledge the cord is being cut. Life shows you thta sometimes when you fuck up, there is no support system to talk it out with.
Well I think life shows you that there isn't always someone to bail you out and I agree, you must sleep in the bed you made. But as long their mom and I are alive we will always be there for them to talk with.
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When my son skipped school i asked him the reason he did it. After he explained to me why he did I talked to him about how every choice made regardless of reasons have consequences. He didn't skip school because of the typical reasons kids skip school. Because it was his first time ever skipping, the consequences he dealt with were from the school. It was understood that if it ever happened again there would be consequences from me also and that next time he was faced with though choices I encouraged him to come to me first to help make a better choice. Since, he hasn't to my knowledge ever skipped school again.
The other stuff ended without punishment on the first instance either. My son is pretty straight and narrow but my daughter is a regular hell raiser. The standing rule is as long as we are alive is that both my children can call us at anytime in their lives if they are too drunk or stoned or whatever to drive or don't have a fully sober ride and we will come and pick them up without fear or consequence. (not that we aren't going to say a great deal about it) It's never had to happen so far, thank god.
Well I think life shows you that there isn't always someone to bail you out and I agree, you must sleep in the bed you made. But as long their mom and I are alive we will always be there for them to talk with.
How old are you man? and how old are your kids?
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I know this thread is mostly about Bristol, but now I'm starting to wonder about Sarah.
Sarah Palin was married to Todd on August 29, 1988 - they eloped.
Track Palin was born on April 20, 1989
235 days (7.83 months) between wedding night and birthday
Now unless the baby was born premature, one could ask, could it be they eloped because she was already pregnant? They say it was because they didn't have the money for a big wedding. Was it? And could the sins of the mother now fall on the daughter?
Things that make you say hmmmm?
Now everyone was young once and that doesn't mean she cannot believe that abstinence ONLY education is the right thing, but as a legislator, looking to limit sex ed to only abstinence only education, she may not be the best role model for such a stance.
And by the way, I've got no problem with abstinence education IN ADDITION to general sex ed. I have 3 daughters myself and of course I'd want them celibate before marriage, but I'm realistic too. I would also think I'd present sex education to them in a way that they look foward to it in marriage as a blessing and a privilege, not as a taboo. I'm going to be very real with them and no topic is off limits.
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I know this thread is mostly about Bristol, but now I'm starting to wonder about Sarah.
Sarah Palin was married to Todd on August 29, 1988 - they eloped.
Track Palin was born on April 20, 1989
235 days (7.83 months) between wedding night and birthday
Now unless the baby was born premature, one could ask, could it be they eloped because she was already pregnant? They say it was because they didn't have the money for a big wedding. Was it? Now everyone was young once and that doesn't mean she cannot believe that abstinence ONLY education is the right thing, but as a legislator, looking to limit sex ed to only abstinence only education, she may not be the best role model for such a stance.
Things that make you say hmmmm.
And by the way, I've got no problem with abstinence education IN ADDITION to general sex ed. I have 3 daughters myself and of course I'd want them celibate before marriage, but I'm realistic too. I would also think I'd present sex education to them in a way that they look foward to it in marriage as a blessing and a privilege, not as a taboo. I'm going to be very real with them and no topic is off limits.
What if they are lesbians?
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I know this thread is mostly about Bristol, but now I'm starting to wonder about Sarah.
Sarah Palin was married to Todd on August 29, 1988 - they eloped.
Track Palin was born on April 20, 1989
235 days (7.83 months) between wedding night and birthday
Now unless the baby was born premature, one could ask, could it be they eloped because she was already pregnant? They say it was because they didn't have the money for a big wedding. Was it? And could the sins of the mother now fall on the daughter?
Things that make you say hmmmm?
Now everyone was young once and that doesn't mean she cannot believe that abstinence ONLY education is the right thing, but as a legislator, looking to limit sex ed to only abstinence only education, she may not be the best role model for such a stance.
And by the way, I've got no problem with abstinence education IN ADDITION to general sex ed. I have 3 daughters myself and of course I'd want them celibate before marriage, but I'm realistic too. I would also think I'd present sex education to them in a way that they look foward to it in marriage as a blessing and a privilege, not as a taboo. I'm going to be very real with them and no topic is off limits.
Good stuff, I agree.
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What if they are lesbians?
Well then that blows that plan doesn't it!?! ;D
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I know this thread is mostly about Bristol, but now I'm starting to wonder about Sarah.
Sarah Palin was married to Todd on August 29, 1988 - they eloped.
Track Palin was born on April 20, 1989
235 days (7.83 months) between wedding night and birthday
Now unless the baby was born premature, one could ask, could it be they eloped because she was already pregnant? They say it was because they didn't have the money for a big wedding. Was it? And could the sins of the mother now fall on the daughter?
Things that make you say hmmmm?
Now everyone was young once and that doesn't mean she cannot believe that abstinence ONLY education is the right thing, but as a legislator, looking to limit sex ed to only abstinence only education, she may not be the best role model for such a stance.
And by the way, I've got no problem with abstinence education IN ADDITION to general sex ed. I have 3 daughters myself and of course I'd want them celibate before marriage, but I'm realistic too. I would also think I'd present sex education to them in a way that they look foward to it in marriage as a blessing and a privilege, not as a taboo. I'm going to be very real with them and no topic is off limits.
PTB - great comments.
I'm curious if you think that a parent who refuses to teach or allow their children to be taught basic health care such the use condoms (for protection of their health and prevention of unwanted pregnancy) is being irresponsible.
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so palin didn't wait til she was married.
neither did her kid.
but everyone else should. ah, right. Do as I say, not as I do. Gotcha.
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PTB - great comments.
I'm curious if you think that a parent who refuses to teach or allow their children to be taught basic health care such the use condoms (for protection of their health and prevention of unwanted pregnancy) is being irresponsible.
Hmm, I'm a bit hesistant to call the use of condoms "basic health care". Washing your hands and bathing regularly is basic health care. How a girl should handle it when her period comes is basic health care. Brushing your teeth, and eating proper meals is basic health care - to me anyway.
You are still looking to educate people on something that they make a voluntary choice to do, which you may not feel is good for them or a necessity at such young ages. While it may be prudent, especially if you think they could end up having sex, is one thing, but I wouldn't come down too hard on a parent who didn't include that kind of education in their child rearing - especially for religious reasons. It wouldn't be wise, but it would not be irresponsible or negligent IMHO.
I still think healthy discussions on sex and the role of sex in marriage and relationships IS healthy - regardless of religion, and unfortunately, it is a topic that most churches and religious homes steer away from. It is much easier to say that fornication is a sin, than it is to educate kids on the possiblities for an erotic and sensual sexual life in their marriages, as outlined in a biblical text like the Songs of Solomon. Not something a Pastor is too keen on preaching on Sunday morning! ;D
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Hmm, I'm a bit hesistant to call the use of condoms "basic health care". Washing your hands and bathing regularly is basic health care. How a girl should handle it when her period comes is basic health care. Brushing your teeth, and eating proper meals is basic health care - to me anyway.
You are still looking to educate people on something that they make a voluntary choice to do, which you may not feel is good for them or a necessity at such young ages. While it may be prudent, especially if you think they could end up having sex, is one thing, but I wouldn't come down too hard on a parent who didn't include that kind of education in their child rearing - especially for religious reasons. It wouldn't be wise, but it would not be irresponsible or negligent IMHO.
I still think healthy discussions on sex and the role of sex in marriage and relationships IS healthy - regardless of religion, and unfortunately, it is a topic that most churches and religious homes steer away from. It is much easier to say that fornication is a sin, than it is to educate kids on the possiblities for an erotic and sensual sexual life in their marriages, as outlined in a biblical text like the Songs of Solomon. Not something a Pastor is too keen on preaching on Sunday morning! ;D
Condoms are also referred to as prophylactic which, by definition is: "A preventive measure. The word comes from the Greek for "an advance guard," an apt term for a measure taken to fend off a disease or another unwanted consequence."
I'd call it basic health care if someone is sexually active then using a condom can be seen as basic health care and (IMO) if a parent doesn't talk to their kid about this then they are jeopardizing their childs health and possibly life if we're considering HIV or Hepatitis C
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I know this thread is mostly about Bristol, but now I'm starting to wonder about Sarah.
Sarah Palin was married to Todd on August 29, 1988 - they eloped.
Track Palin was born on April 20, 1989
235 days (7.83 months) between wedding night and birthday
Now unless the baby was born premature, one could ask, could it be they eloped because she was already pregnant? They say it was because they didn't have the money for a big wedding. Was it? And could the sins of the mother now fall on the daughter?
Things that make you say hmmmm?
Now everyone was young once and that doesn't mean she cannot believe that abstinence ONLY education is the right thing, but as a legislator, looking to limit sex ed to only abstinence only education, she may not be the best role model for such a stance.
And by the way, I've got no problem with abstinence education IN ADDITION to general sex ed. I have 3 daughters myself and of course I'd want them celibate before marriage, but I'm realistic too. I would also think I'd present sex education to them in a way that they look foward to it in marriage as a blessing and a privilege, not as a taboo. I'm going to be very real with them and no topic is off limits.
Old news.
The entire nation has already reached the conclusion that Sarah Palin does not practice what she preaches.
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Old news.
The entire nation has already reached the conclusion that Sarah Palin does not practice what she preaches.
everyone but beach bum ;)
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everyone but beach bum ;)
The pimp speaks the truth...again. 8)
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Deicide.... I saw a fat Korean girl yesterday.
I didn't think those existed? ???
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Deicide.... I saw a fat Korean girl yesterday.
I didn't think those existed? ???
They exist, just not many of them.
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Ever ham-slammed one?
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Ever ham-slammed one?
Not a fat one.
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Why not?
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Why not?
Opportunity never there.
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Would you?
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It sounds like some, particularly those who don't have kids, have a misconception about what "sex education" really involves. Contraception is a very small part of sex education. It's more about values, decision making, intimacy, and relationships. It's not simply a matter of telling a kid to wait for marriage to have sex, or teaching a kid how to use a condom.
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For Christians on this board - what is the religious conflict with urging your kids to remain abstinent but also telling them that should have have a failure of willpower (as humans are prone to do) that they should always take measures to protect their health and future by using a contraceptive (whatever that might be).
I don't see why any parent would have a problem with that
The failure of will is prone to happen whether you have this discussion or not so why not face this reality and make sure your kid is protected?
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It sounds like some, particularly those who don't have kids, have a misconception about what "sex education" really involves. Contraception is a very small part of sex education. It's more about values, decision making, intimacy, and relationships. It's not simply a matter of telling a kid to wait for marriage to have sex, or teaching a kid how to use a condom.
you don't need to have your own child to understand sex education or instilling your own personal values (whatever they might be) on your child.
some people (ok one person) on this board who actually have kids don't seem to understand the basic failures of human willpower and their potentially lethal consequences.
It kind of reminds me of the Christian Scientist crowd who has a sick child that can be cured with a simple antibiotic and yet they let their kid die because of a misguided religious belief
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It sounds like some, particularly those who don't have kids, have a misconception about what "sex education" really involves. Contraception is a very small part of sex education. It's more about values, decision making, intimacy, and relationships. It's not simply a matter of telling a kid to wait for marriage to have sex, or teaching a kid how to use a condom.
i agree.
Show the kid two paths they could take, with 2 real examples.
Surely every family has one couple who waited til they were 25 or 30 to have kids, who stayed together, have a nice house, and live well.
Surely every family as one couple who made a baby at 19, split up, and lived poor in a crappy house, leeching off family as a result.
Show them both examples from an early age, and let them know just how hard life is, when you're knocked up at 18.
And, teach them ways to release the internal tension without filling up some chick with sperm. Knock one out before the date, and her mouth cannot get pregnant. It's that simple.
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you don't need to have your own child to understand sex education or instilling your own personal values (whatever they might be) on your child.
some people (ok one person) on this board who actually have kids don't seem to understand the basic failures of human willpower and their potentially lethal consequences.
It kind of reminds me of the Christian Scientist crowd who has a sick child that can be cured with a simple antibiotic and yet they let their kid die because of a misguided religious belief
This reminds me of a person who doesn't have a driver's license and has never driven a car trying to tell someone how to drive. But worse.
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i agree.
Show the kid two paths they could take, with 2 real examples.
Surely every family has one couple who waited til they were 25 or 30 to have kids, who stayed together, have a nice house, and live well.
Surely every family as one couple who made a baby at 19, split up, and lived poor in a crappy house, leeching off family as a result.
Show them both examples from an early age, and let them know just how hard life is, when you're knocked up at 18.
And, teach them ways to release the internal tension without filling up some chick with sperm. Knock one out before the date, and her mouth cannot get pregnant. It's that simple.
Good luck with that.
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i agree.
Show the kid two paths they could take, with 2 real examples.
Surely every family has one couple who waited til they were 25 or 30 to have kids, who stayed together, have a nice house, and live well.
Surely every family as one couple who made a baby at 19, split up, and lived poor in a crappy house, leeching off family as a result.
Show them both examples from an early age, and let them know just how hard life is, when you're knocked up at 18.
And, teach them ways to release the internal tension without filling up some chick with sperm. Knock one out before the date, and her mouth cannot get pregnant. It's that simple.
What do you tell your horny christian daughter.
We know Bum is not going to tell her to use a condom so her only other option is to pray really hard that she doesn't get pregnant or learn to give a good hummer. I assume he's telling her that anal sex is also out since she should use a condom for that too just for reasons of health.
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Good luck with that.
Okay, just show them the $ angle then.
I managed to follow that rule and I avoided having sex until an advanced age within actual relationships. I've never had sex on a one-night stand, oddly, unlike most males. While my peers were risking STDs, I'd roll with the quick HJ or BJ and go home happy without the worry or risk.
That's just me. I did the math, knew I needed the release and acted accordingly. "real" sex was reserved for later when I was more mature and in real relationships. As a result, I have a great respect for sex, but didn't get all neurotic as a kid or shoot up a school lol...
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What do you tell your horny christian daughter.
We know Bum is not going to tell her to use a condom so her only other option is to pray really hard that she doesn't get pregnant or learn to give a good hummer. I assume he's telling her that anal sex is also out since she should use a condom for that too just for reasons of health.
HAHA with any luck, I'll only have sons ;D Daughters are a whole nother mess.
I don't know what you tell a kid with raging hormones.
I'd love to know what % the "Wait" technique works for. I WISH it would work 100% of the time. But stats show most kids are banging. Why not teach them to go for the safe release within the confines of a relationship? yeah, it's not politically correct, and I'd love to hear an alternative (that works).
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Okay, just show them the $ angle then.
I managed to follow that rule and I avoided having sex until an advanced age within actual relationships. I've never had sex on a one-night stand, oddly, unlike most males. While my peers were risking STDs, I'd roll with the quick HJ or BJ and go home happy without the worry or risk.
That's just me. I did the math, knew I needed the release and acted accordingly. "real" sex was reserved for later when I was more mature and in real relationships. As a result, I have a great respect for sex, but didn't get all neurotic as a kid or shoot up a school lol...
Hey you need to use whatever teaching method you think works best for your kids. Good luck.
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This reminds me of a person who doesn't have a driver's license and has never driven a car trying to tell someone how to drive. But worse.
I don't think the sex thing is that complicated. I think it would be much harder to deal with your kid driving, not coming home when they said they would, hanging out with people who are bad influences, blowing off school, doing drugs etc...
I can assure you right now that I have no religious hang-up about sex and have a realistic view of what human beings will do. I would advise my child to wait until they feel they are emotionally and physically ready and urge them to wait if ever in doubt. Then I would also tell them that if they are going to have sex then they must act responsibly to assure that they don't get someone pregnant (if a son) or get pregnant (if a daughter) and also to protect their health at all costs.
I think not informing your kids about the hazards of unprotected sex and what to do if/when their will power fails is just being in denial and not being responsible.
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Hey you need to use whatever teaching method you think works best for your kids. Good luck.
right back atcha. I know you have a few years on me, so chances are I'll be PMing you for advice down the road ;D
I'm a conservative even tho I do defend some of obama's mess.
I great up with 10 years of catholic school. I plan to do the same with my kids. No clue how I'll handle the sex issue when I get there.
What I always hated about catholic school was this... I would staight up ASK the priest or teacher "how far can I go with a girl before it's a sin".... and the answer was never there. They said sex was a sin, but making out was not. They could never tell me what - in the middle - was a sin. So I just fig'd out the release thing in order not to sin.
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For Christians on this board - what is the religious conflict with urging your kids to remain abstinent but also telling them that should have have a failure of willpower (as humans are prone to do) that they should always take measures to protect their health and future by using a contraceptive (whatever that might be).
Well I'm a Christian, and I think I said how I'd handle it. I wouldn't see it as a conflict in teaching them safe sex, but I would not teaching
that the choice to have sex or not before marriage is an equal one. I'd teach them it's wrong, and they should know they are doing wrong IF they decided to do it, and at the same time, I wouldn't just limit the discussion to what is wrong, but what would be best for them. Why I would think marriage should be the ultimate station to get your freak on in. Again, most folks wouldn't go there, but I'm prepared to.
It sounds like some, particularly those who don't have kids, have a misconception about what "sex education" really involves. Contraception is a very small part of sex education. It's more about values, decision making, intimacy, and relationships. It's not simply a matter of telling a kid to wait for marriage to have sex, or teaching a kid how to use a condom.
Beach, I agree with you in part, but how often does that conversation really take place in homes - even amongst non-religious people? Most parents get wierded out when it comes to "the discussion", and many try to pass it on to the other partner "you tell them, no YOU tell them".
and her mouth cannot get pregnant. It's that simple.
. I'd pay money to be in on that convo!!! ;D For that one 240, if you have kids they will be ALL girls!!!! lol!
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I don't think the sex thing is that complicated. I think it would be much harder to deal with your kid driving, not coming home when they said they would, hanging out with people who are bad influences, blowing off school, doing drugs etc...
I can assure you right now that I have no religious hang-up about sex and have a realistic view of what human beings will do. I would advise my child to wait until they feel they are emotionally and physically ready and urge them to wait if ever in doubt. Then I would also tell them that if they are going to have sex then they must act responsibly to assure that they don't get someone pregnant (if a son) or get pregnant (if a daughter) and also to protect their health at all costs.
I think not informing your kids about the hazards of unprotected sex and what to do if/when their will power fails is just being in denial and not being responsible.
I came into parenthood with a number of preconceived ideas. Some of those I maintained. Some I changed, drastically. It's fine to have an opinion about something you know absolutely nothing about (like you), but just keep in mind that once a person gets in the trenches their views may change. It's also important to keep an uninformed opinion in context.
Frankly, you don't know squat about being a parent and raising kids. You haven't been there, done that. That's partly why I really don't care about your opinion. But you know what they say about opinions. :)
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I'd pay money to be in on that convo!!! ;D For that one 240, if you have kids they will be ALL girls!!!! lol!
LOL....
Work hard, be smart, keep your sperm to yourself.
Those should be the rules taught from grade 1.
By the time they learn what the sperm part means (and things start functioning), it will be so indoctrinated that they'll follow it automatically.
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right back atcha. I know you have a few years on me, so chances are I'll be PMing you for advice down the road ;D
I'm a conservative even tho I do defend some of obama's mess.
I great up with 10 years of catholic school. I plan to do the same with my kids. No clue how I'll handle the sex issue when I get there.
What I always hated about catholic school was this... I would staight up ASK the priest or teacher "how far can I go with a girl before it's a sin".... and the answer was never there. They said sex was a sin, but making out was not. They could never tell me what - in the middle - was a sin. So I just fig'd out the release thing in order not to sin.
Whatever method you choose to emphasize, you have to start the sex discussion early (by age 8 if they are mature enough) and continue your dialog with them. If you develop a level of trust, and more importantly set the right example, your kids will be more likely to confide in you, and will probably make better choices.
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I came into parenthood with a number of preconceived ideas. Some of those I maintained. Some I changed, drastically. It's fine to have an opinion about something you know absolutely nothing about (like you), but just keep in mind that once a person gets in the trenches their views may change. It's also important to keep an uninformed opinion in context.
Frankly, you don't know squat about being a parent and raising kids. You haven't been there, done that. That's partly why I really don't care about your opinion. But you know what they say about opinions. :)
the thing you're forgetting is you became a parent when you were very young and very dumb
I'm 42 and much smarter than you
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the thing you're forgetting is you became a parent when you were very young and very dumb
I'm 42 and much smarter than you
Hahahahahahaha! :)
You're 42, not married with no kids? Are you gay?
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Hahahahahahaha! :)
You're 42, not married with no kids? Are you gay?
No but why would that matter?
I forget to add above that I don't have the burden of having my common sense encumbered by religious dogma
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Hahahahahahaha! :)
You're 42, not married with no kids? Are you gay?
Haha...if you are not married and have no kids you are an infidel according to our resident inquisitor.... ::)
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everyone but beach bum ;)
Delusional prone as ever it seems.
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Beach, I agree with you in part, but how often does that conversation really take place in homes - even amongst non-religious people? Most parents get wierded out when it comes to "the discussion", and many try to pass it on to the other partner "you tell them, no YOU tell them".
PTB I agree the discussion doesn't happen nearly as often and in enough depth in households, regardless of whether the parents are religious. It's something parents really need to work on. Education starts in the home. We need to do a much better job as parents of educating our kids.
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right back atcha. I know you have a few years on me, so chances are I'll be PMing you for advice down the road ;D
I'm a conservative even tho I do defend some of obama's mess.
I great up with 10 years of catholic school. I plan to do the same with my kids. No clue how I'll handle the sex issue when I get there.
What I always hated about catholic school was this... I would staight up ASK the priest or teacher "how far can I go with a girl before it's a sin".... and the answer was never there. They said sex was a sin, but making out was not. They could never tell me what - in the middle - was a sin. So I just fig'd out the release thing in order not to sin.
George Carlin talked about this on one of his album in 1972:
"I could, uh, I could do Father Byrne so well that I often wanted to do him in confession, y'know. I wanted to get into Father Byrne's confessional one Saturday maybe a half hour before he showed up and get in there and hear a few confessions, y'know. Because I knew according to my faith and religion that if anyone came in there and really thought I was Father Byrne and really wanted to be forgiven...and perform the penance I had assigned...they would have been forgiven, man!
'Cause that's what they taught us; it's what's in your mind that counts; your intentions, that's how we'll judge you. What you want to do. Mortal sin had to be a grievous offense, sufficient reflection and full consent of the will. Ya had'ta WANNA! In fact, WANNA was a sin all by itself. "Thou Shalt Not WANNA". If you woke up in the morning and said, "I'm going down to 42nd street and commit a mortal sin!" Save your car fare; you did it, man! Absolutely!
It was a sin for you to wanna feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to plan to feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to figure out a place to feel up Ellen. It was a sin to take Ellen to the place to feel her up. It was a sin to try to feel her up and it was a sin to feel her up. There were six sins in one feel, man!"
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My son is 15 years old.I tell him to be carefull.If you get a girl pregnant thats the end of your athletic career because then you have to go to work to support the kid.Thats enough for him to either not take a chance or wear three condoms because one thing I know about him,sports are WAY more important then girls.In fact when girls call the house he tells them "I HAVE TO GO TO TRAIN".
Parents need to be honest with their kids.My son knows just about everything about me.He knows the deal with competing in powerlifting,understands what we do,what we take,why its done.Hes been in the gym since he was 6 years old[hardcore gyms] and has heard and seen every type crazy thing anyone could ever see or hear.Its the parents that try to white wash their pasts and pretend that they had no past that seem to end up with the kids that are knocked up or introuble.
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Haha...if you are not married and have no kids you are an infidel according to our resident inquisitor.... ::)
All the cool kids are doing it nowadays...
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All the cool kids are doing it nowadays...
What? marriage?