Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens

[Dos Equis]

thats a good question.  i think the first step is to raise my child so that he/she wouldn't be afraid to tell me.  I have to make sure my son knows that i love him unconditionally.  And that I will love him no matter what he does (unless he tries to take the big piece of chicken at dinner of course.  then hes a fuckin dead man).  But what i will tell him is that he is a father now.  He was mature enough to fuck he shoudl be mature enough to deal with the consequences.  He has a responsibility to take care of the life that he created.  Aw?  Your life isn't going to turn out the way you expected?  Walk it off.  Just because life has thrown you a curveball doesn't mean that you can't be happy.  Take the righteous path.  It will be a tougher path no doubt.  But in the end you will be a happier man for it. 

If more boys had fathers who were there to give this advice, more boys would have fathers who would be there to give this advice.  see what i mean? 

Our society is raising a generation of boys. we need to start raising men.  Thats not to say that we need to raise people that dont make mistakes.  We just need people who are taught the humility and the strength to take responsibility for those mistakes.  I personally have done some horrible things in my life.  especially with women.  When you live your life the way I did you have two choices.  You can admit to yourself that what you did was wrong and move forward or you can spend the rest of your life trying to rationalize that what you did wasnt bad and attacking all the people who say that it is.  The latter leads to nowhere believe me.

Well said.  I really agree with the raising men part.  This is part of the reason a two parent family (husband and wife) is so important.  Really hard for a woman to raise a man IMO. 

[Straw Man]

no i want to teach responsibility.  i want my kids to make informed decisions and i want them to learn to take responsibility for whatever they choose.  if they choose to have sex,  well then they choose to take responsibility for any life that may be created.  and do i think that public schools should be talking about sex at all with my kids?  no.  i want my son to learn math, science, and english at school.  i'll parent him.  thats why i had him.  right now all our kids learn is "wear condoms.  but hey if you dont have any and she gets pregnant just go get an abortion."  and in some states they say.  "and fuck your parents.  we'll let you get one without them knowing"  i dont know about you, but i have a problem with that.  if my kid gets some girl pregnant, i wanna know about it.

for the most part I agree with everything you've written. I do think there is a place for basic sex education, disease prevention etc.. in public schools and parents can always opt out.   I think that's valuable because many parents will never have that discussion with their kids (which of course they should)

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All the fucking time.

Ex tried to kill me, got off scott free..

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Ex tried to kill me, got off scott free..

seriously?  damn.  thats a whole new thread. 

[Hereford]

You guys are just haters.

All women are princesses.

[Straw Man]

2.  When I say "condoms don't work," I'm referring to the fact that kids will not consistently use them.  The alarming number of teen pregnancies in this country for decades pretty much proves this.  Condoms are all over the place and available for free at some clinics.  Despite this, kids don't consistently use them.  They never will.     

Bum - how do you know "kids" consistently won't use condoms and "never will".

Have you/Will you tell your kids that if they have sex then they should use a condom or do you tell them nothing about condoms and just say abstinence only and leave it at that?

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You guys are just haters.

All women are princesses.

I know coming from YOU, that has to be sarcasm!

[Dos Equis]

Bum - how do you know "kids" consistently won't use condoms and "never will".

Have you/Will you tell your kids that if they have sex then they should use a condom or do you tell them nothing about condoms and just say abstinence only and leave it at that?

Common sense.  Life experience.  Statistics.  Bristol Palin is a prime example of what kids do with condoms. 

Absolutely not.  I would never teach a kid how to use a condom or put a kid on the pill.  What I teach my kids is sex is God's gift to marriage.  It's a wonderful, guilt-free activity when it's done right (i.e., between husband and wife).  Whether they choose to follow the training my wife and I provide is up to them.  What I will not do is teach them how to engage in reckless, dangerous behavior.  I don't send mixed messages.   

Do you have kids? 

[240 is Back]

Bristol Palin is a prime example of what kids do with condoms. 

she's also a prime example of what happens when parents tried to raise them using only abstinence.

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she's also a prime example of what happens when parents tried to raise them using only abstinence.

Haha...getbig's guntoting pimp laying down the truth!

[Dos Equis]

she's also a prime example of what happens when parents tried to raise them using only abstinence.

Hardly.  They had condoms.  Knew how to use them.  And didn't.  Her parents telling her to use them wouldn't have made a hill of beans difference. 

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Haha...getbig's guntoting pimp laying down the truth!

dont worry... some unarmed bill clinton voter will be here in 2 seconds to call me a lib

[240 is Back]

Hardly.  They had condoms.  Knew how to use them.  And didn't.  Her parents telling her to use them wouldn't have made a hill of beans difference. 

you'e accusing palin of lying?

She taught abstinence in her house dude.

if they got condoms, they werent form her.  She's a strict proponent of abstinence. 

[Dos Equis]

you'e accusing palin of lying?

She taught abstinence in her house dude.

if they got condoms, they werent form her.  She's a strict proponent of abstinence. 

What?  Did Bristol Palin deny they had condoms, because her boyfriend said they had them, sometimes used them, and sometimes didn't. 

It does not matter if her parents gave her the condoms or not.  The fact is she had them and didn't use them.  Like most teenagers. 

[Straw Man]

Common sense.  Life experience.  Statistics.  Bristol Palin is a prime example of what kids do with condoms. 

Absolutely not.  I would never teach a kid how to use a condom or put a kid on the pill.  What I teach my kids is sex is God's gift to marriage.  It's a wonderful, guilt-free activity when it's done right (i.e., between husband and wife).  Whether they choose to follow the training my wife and I provide is up to them.  What I will not do is teach them how to engage in reckless, dangerous behavior.  I don't send mixed messages.   

Do you have kids? 

I don't have kids but if/when I do I will be completely honest with them and tell them exactly the same things I've said in this thread.

I'm actually kind of stunned that you would NOT tell your kids about condoms.....well actually I guess I shouldn't be suprised because you're pretty dogmatic in your beliefs even when the defy common sense.   BTW - condom use is actually quite high among teenage boys.  I doubt you're interested in actual fact but just in case here you go: www.childtrends.org/Files/Child_Trends-2008_10_30_FS_CondomUse.pdf

I assume neither you or your wife never had pre-marital sex.   

You were both virgins when you got married.....RIGHT?

[Dos Equis]

I don't have kids but if/when I do I will be completely honest with them and tell them exactly the same things I've said in this thread.

I'm actually kind of stunned that you would NOT tell your kids about condoms.....well actually I guess I shouldn't be suprised because you're pretty dogmatic in your beliefs even when the defy common sense.   BTW - condom use is actually quite high among teenage boys.  I doubt you're interested in actual fact but just in case here you go: www.childtrends.org/Files/Child_Trends-2008_10_30_FS_CondomUse.pdf

I assume neither you or your wife never had pre-marital sex.   

You were both virgins when you got married.....RIGHT?

I'm not surprised you don't have kids.  It's actually fairly obvious by your comments. 

I looked at your link.  Did you even read it?  lol . . . . One of the findings:  "Just one-half of sexually active teen males reported using a condom consistently with their most recent sexual partners."  It also said older teenaged males were less likely to use them consistently over time.  Like I’ve previously said, kids will not consistently use them.  Thanks for providing support for my opinion. 

You shouldn't be surprised that I teach my kids abstinence.  I've said it a hundred times on the board. 

And I'm not dumb enough to talk about my indiscretions, whatever they are, past or present, on the internet, like you talking about smoking marijuana. 

[Straw Man]

I'm not surprised you don't have kids.  It's actually fairly obvious by your comments. 

I looked at your link.  Did you even read it?  lol . . . . One of the findings:  "Just one-half of sexually active teen males reported using a condom consistently with their most recent sexual partners."  It also said older teenaged males were less likely to use them consistently over time.  Like I’ve previously said, kids will not consistently use them.  Thanks for providing support for my opinion. 

You shouldn't be surprised that I teach my kids abstinence.  I've said it a hundred times on the board. 

And I'm not dumb enough to talk about my indiscretions, whatever they are, past or present, on the internet, like you talking about smoking marijuana. 

of course I read the link

Here are some highlights:

 - 71% said the used condoms at first sex
- 71 % they used condoms at last sex (among those who had sex in the past 3 months)
- 68% condom consistency in last 4 weeks (among those who had sex in the past 3 months)
- Teen males who received any formal sex education instruction have higher levels of condom use and consistency
- Positive attitudes about using condoms are associated with higher levels of condom use and consistency

btw Bum - why did you bring up marijuana.   You've still never confirmed or denied that you've smoked pot (my guess is that you have but it would make you look like a complete hypocrite to admit it so you simply avoid answering the question)

Here are two simple yes or no questions.

1.  Have you ever smoked pot ?
2.  Were you and your wife virgins when you got married ?

[Dos Equis]

of course I read the link

Here are some highlights:

 - 71% said the used condoms at first sex
- 71 % they used condoms at last sex (among those who had sex in the past 3 months)
- 68% condom consistency in last 4 weeks (among those who had sex in the past 3 months)
- Teen males who received any formal sex education instruction have higher levels of condom use and consistency
- Positive attitudes about using condoms are associated with higher levels of condom use and consistency

btw Bum - why did you bring up marijuana.   You've still never confirmed or denied that you've smoked pot (my guess is that you have but it would make you look like a complete hypocrite to admit it so you simply avoid answering the question)

Here are two simple yes or no questions.

1.  Have you ever smoked pot ?
2.  Were you and your wife virgins when you got married ?

Condom use when they first have sex is completely irrelevant, unless the kid is going to have one sexual encounter.  The link confirms what I've been saying all along:  once kids experience sex with and without condoms, they will not consistently use them.  That's what your link shows.  lol. . . .  Funny!   

This is in addition to the fact that kids are not prepared for sex.  It's not something that should be encouraged at all. 

[OzmO]

Common sense.  Life experience.  Statistics.  Bristol Palin is a prime example of what kids do with condoms. 

Absolutely not.  I would never teach a kid how to use a condom or put a kid on the pill.  What I teach my kids is sex is God's gift to marriage.  It's a wonderful, guilt-free activity when it's done right (i.e., between husband and wife).  Whether they choose to follow the training my wife and I provide is up to them.  What I will not do is teach them how to engage in reckless, dangerous behavior.  I don't send mixed messages.   

Do you have kids? 

Beach, are your kids that age yet?

Because all the teaching and preaching in the world pales in comparison to hormones.  If they start having sex will you teach them about birth control or will you take your chances and potentially become a Grampa?  Will you allow others, like their peers teach them instead?

[Straw Man]

Hey Bum,

Here's a purely hypothetical parenting question for you.  

Do you think it's responsible parenting to assume ones children will not have the same human frailties and "indiscretions" that the parents themselves may have suffered and not teach ones children to protect their health and future in the event one of those unfortunate "indiscretions" might happen

[Straw Man]

Condom use when they first have sex is completely irrelevant, unless the kid is going to have one sexual encounter.  The link confirms what I've been saying all along:  once kids experience sex with and without condoms, they will not consistently use them.  That's what your link shows.  lol. . . .  Funny!   

This is in addition to the fact that kids are not prepared for sex.  It's not something that should be encouraged at all. 

please point to one fact in that link that supports your statement.

the lowest level of compliance was 50% and the facts support that the more education and the less shame associated with condom use the higher the compliance

[Straw Man]

Beach, are your kids that age yet?

Because all the teaching and preaching in the world pales in comparison to hormones.  If they start having sex will you teach them about birth control or will you take your chances and potentially become a Grampa?  Will you allow others, like their peers teach them instead?

he already said he would not and I personally can't see how that can be the logical choice in any circumstance.

Bum - what if your child slips up just once and instead of getting pregant contracts HIV

that would be a real bummer

[andreisdaman]

I really don't care about the politics of Bristol Palin......I just want to see some hot photos of her naked....(hope that isn't considered to be child porn).....if that ex-boyfriend of her's really wants to make himself useful he will post some hot pics of Bristol on here so we can all whack off!

[Straw Man]

I really don't care about the politics of Bristol Palin......I just want to see some hot photos of her naked....(hope that isn't considered to be child porn).....if that ex-boyfriend of her's really wants to make himself useful he will post some hot pics of Bristol on here so we can all whack off!

give it a year or two and I'm sure your wish will be granted.

I'm pretty sure she'll get knocked up again before she ever get's married

[Dos Equis]

Beach, are your kids that age yet?

Because all the teaching and preaching in the world pales in comparison to hormones.  If they start having sex will you teach them about birth control or will takes your chances and potentially become a Grampa?  Will you allow others, like their peers teach them instead?

Teach them what specifically Ozmo?  How to use condoms?  How to get a birth control prescription?    

But in response to your questions, what you say about what we teach kids is true and we can say that about everything we teach them.  They can be real hard heads.  And when you add in hormones it can be a dangerous combination.  

I teach my kids about sex, so they don't have to learn it from their peers.  I'm actually in a constant battle with their peers, Hollywood, etc. over what is right and wrong.  It's hard work.

This is how I see this whole subject:  kids are not ready for sex.  They're too young to be parents.  Disease is pretty rampant.  Kids should not be having sex.  I think most parents agree with this.  If that's the case, then this is the message we should give kids.  We shouldn't surrender and say they are animals who completely lack self-control and take them to Planned Parenthood when they turn 12 or 13.  We shouldn't send mixed messages by telling a kid to not have sex, and in the next breath give them a condom (that they're not going to use anyway).