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EXCLUSIVE: Libyan missiles looted

CNN's Ben Wedeman and Ingrid Formanek reporting from Tripoli, Libya -

TRIPOLI, Libya (CNN) - A potent stash of Russian-made surface-to-air missiles is missing from a huge Tripoli weapons warehouse amid reports of weapons looting across war-torn Libya.

They are Grinch SA-24 shoulder-launched missiles, also known as Igla-S missiles, the equivalent of U.S.-made Stinger missiles.

A CNN team and Human Rights Watch found dozens of empty crates marked with packing lists and inventory numbers that identified the items as Igla-S surface-to-air missiles.

The list for one box, for example, written in English and Russian, said it had contained two missiles, with inventory number "Missile 9M342," and a power source, inventory number "Article 9B238."

Grinch SA-24s are designed to target front-line aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and drones. They can shoot down a plane flying as high as 11,000 feet and can travel 19,000 feet straight out.

Fighters aligned with the National Transitional Council and others swiped armaments from the storage facility, witnesses told Human Rights Watch. The warehouse is located near a base of the Khamis Brigade, a special forces unit in Gadhafi's military, in the southeastern part of the capital.

The warehouse contains mortars and artillery rounds, but there are empty crates for those items as well. There are also empty boxes for another surface-to-air missile, the SA-7.

Peter Bouckaert, Human Rights Watch emergencies director, told CNN he has seen the same pattern in armories looted elsewhere in Libya, noting that "in every city we arrive, the first thing to disappear are the surface-to-air missiles."

He said such missiles can fetch many thousands of dollars on the black market.

"We are talking about some 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in all of Libya, and I've seen cars packed with them." he said. "They could turn all of North Africa into a no-fly zone."

There was no immediate comment from NTC officials.

The lack of security at the weapons site raises concerns about stability in post-Gadhafi Libya and whether the new NTC leadership is doing enough to stop the weapons from getting into the wrong hands.

A NATO official, who asked to not be named because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, said 575 surface-to-air missiles, radar systems and sites or storage facilities were hit by NATO airstrikes and either damaged or destroyed between March 31 and Saturday. He didn't elaborate on the specifics about the targets.

Gen. Carter Ham, chief of U.S. Africa Command, has said he's concerned about the proliferation of weapons, most notably the shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles. He said there were about 20,000 in Libya when the international operation began earlier this year and many of them have not been accounted for.

"That's going to be a concern for some period of time," he said in April.

Gilles de Kerchove, the European Union counterterrorism coordinator, raised concerns Monday about the possibility that al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, based in North Africa, could gain access to small arms, machine guns and surface-to-air missiles.

Western officials worry that weapons from the storage sites will end up in the hands of militants or adversaries like Iran.

The governments of neighboring guy and Chad have both said that weapons from Libya are already being smuggled into their countries, and they are destined for al Qaeda. They include detonators and a plastic explosive called Semtex. Chad's president said they include SA-7 missiles.

An ethnic Tuareg leader in the northern guy city of Agadez also said many weapons have come across the border. He said he and other Tuareg leaders are anxious about Gadhafi's Tuareg fighters returning home - with their weapons - and making common cause with al Qaeda cells in the region. Gadhafi's fighting forces have included mercenaries from other African nations.

The missing weapons also conjure fears of what happened in Iraq, where people grabbed scores of weapons when Saddam Hussein's regime was overthrown.

Bouckaert said one or two of the missing artillery rounds are "enough to make a car bomb."

"We should remember what happened in Iraq," he said, when the "country was turned upside down" by insurgents using such weaponry.

There have been similar concerns in Afghanistan, where the United States provided thousands of Stinger missiles to the Afghan mujahedeen when they were fighting the Soviets in the 1980s. The United States has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to buy them back, fearful that they would fall into the hands of terrorists.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/07/exclusive-libyan-missiles-looted/?hpt=hp_t2



Hahahaha. Keep up the good work, President Foodstamp. I guess handing Al Qaeda and other jihadist groups entire countries wasn't enough, now you go out of your way to arm them.  ::)

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EXCLUSIVE: Libyan missiles looted

CNN's Ben Wedeman and Ingrid Formanek reporting from Tripoli, Libya -

TRIPOLI, Libya (CNN) - A potent stash of Russian-made surface-to-air missiles is missing from a huge Tripoli weapons warehouse amid reports of weapons looting across war-torn Libya.

They are Grinch SA-24 shoulder-launched missiles, also known as Igla-S missiles, the equivalent of U.S.-made Stinger missiles.

A CNN team and Human Rights Watch found dozens of empty crates marked with packing lists and inventory numbers that identified the items as Igla-S surface-to-air missiles.

The list for one box, for example, written in English and Russian, said it had contained two missiles, with inventory number "Missile 9M342," and a power source, inventory number "Article 9B238."

Grinch SA-24s are designed to target front-line aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and drones. They can shoot down a plane flying as high as 11,000 feet and can travel 19,000 feet straight out.

Fighters aligned with the National Transitional Council and others swiped armaments from the storage facility, witnesses told Human Rights Watch. The warehouse is located near a base of the Khamis Brigade, a special forces unit in Gadhafi's military, in the southeastern part of the capital.

The warehouse contains mortars and artillery rounds, but there are empty crates for those items as well. There are also empty boxes for another surface-to-air missile, the SA-7.

Peter Bouckaert, Human Rights Watch emergencies director, told CNN he has seen the same pattern in armories looted elsewhere in Libya, noting that "in every city we arrive, the first thing to disappear are the surface-to-air missiles."

He said such missiles can fetch many thousands of dollars on the black market.

"We are talking about some 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in all of Libya, and I've seen cars packed with them." he said. "They could turn all of North Africa into a no-fly zone."

There was no immediate comment from NTC officials.

The lack of security at the weapons site raises concerns about stability in post-Gadhafi Libya and whether the new NTC leadership is doing enough to stop the weapons from getting into the wrong hands.

A NATO official, who asked to not be named because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, said 575 surface-to-air missiles, radar systems and sites or storage facilities were hit by NATO airstrikes and either damaged or destroyed between March 31 and Saturday. He didn't elaborate on the specifics about the targets.

Gen. Carter Ham, chief of U.S. Africa Command, has said he's concerned about the proliferation of weapons, most notably the shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles. He said there were about 20,000 in Libya when the international operation began earlier this year and many of them have not been accounted for.

"That's going to be a concern for some period of time," he said in April.

Gilles de Kerchove, the European Union counterterrorism coordinator, raised concerns Monday about the possibility that al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, based in North Africa, could gain access to small arms, machine guns and surface-to-air missiles.

Western officials worry that weapons from the storage sites will end up in the hands of militants or adversaries like Iran.

The governments of neighboring guy and Chad have both said that weapons from Libya are already being smuggled into their countries, and they are destined for al Qaeda. They include detonators and a plastic explosive called Semtex. Chad's president said they include SA-7 missiles.

An ethnic Tuareg leader in the northern guy city of Agadez also said many weapons have come across the border. He said he and other Tuareg leaders are anxious about Gadhafi's Tuareg fighters returning home - with their weapons - and making common cause with al Qaeda cells in the region. Gadhafi's fighting forces have included mercenaries from other African nations.

The missing weapons also conjure fears of what happened in Iraq, where people grabbed scores of weapons when Saddam Hussein's regime was overthrown.

Bouckaert said one or two of the missing artillery rounds are "enough to make a car bomb."

"We should remember what happened in Iraq," he said, when the "country was turned upside down" by insurgents using such weaponry.

There have been similar concerns in Afghanistan, where the United States provided thousands of Stinger missiles to the Afghan mujahedeen when they were fighting the Soviets in the 1980s. The United States has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to buy them back, fearful that they would fall into the hands of terrorists.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/07/exclusive-libyan-missiles-looted/?hpt=hp_t2



Hahahaha. Keep up the good work, President Foodstamp. I guess handing Al Qaeda and other jihadist groups entire countries wasn't enough, now you go out of your way to arm them.  ::)



What does the President of the United States have to do with this???  They are not our weapons
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What does the President of the United States have to do with this???  They are not our weapons

I think you may be missing the point.

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FOX reports that the White house HAS NOT denied that Obama was personally handing out the weapons to anyone with an al-quadi nametag.

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FOX reports that the White house HAS NOT denied that Obama was personally handing out the weapons to anyone with an al-quadi nametag.

I think you're missing the point as well....it may be intentional, though.

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I think you're missing the point as well....it may be intentional, though.

IMO, it's damn well intentional.


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IMO, it's damn well intentional.



In your opinion you missing the point was intentional?

Are you hearing voices?

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Another "victory" for Obama.   ::)

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Report: Libyan Islamist Rebels Rounding Up Black Africans

    TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Rebel forces and armed civilians are rounding up thousands of black Libyans and migrants from sub-Sahara Africa, accusing them of fighting for ousted strongman Moammar Gadhafi and holding them in makeshift jails across the capital.

    Virtually all of the detainees say they are innocent migrant workers, and in most cases there is no evidence that they are lying.

    But that is not stopping the rebels from placing the men in facilities like the Gate of the Sea sports club, where about 200 detainees — all black — clustered on a soccer field this week, bunching against a high wall to avoid the scorching sun.

    Handling the prisoners is one of the first major tests for the rebel leaders, who are scrambling to set up a government that they promise will respect human rights and international norms, unlike the dictatorship they overthrew.

    The rebels’ National Transitional Council has called on fighters not to abuse prisoners and says those accused of crimes will receive fair trials.

    There has been little credible evidence of rebels killing or systematically abusing captives during the six-month conflict. Still, the African Union and Amnesty International have protested the treatment of blacks inside Libya, saying there is a potential for serious abuse.

    Aladdin Mabrouk, a spokesman for Tripoli’s military council, said no one knows how many people have been detained in the city, but he guessed more than 5,000.

    While no central registry exists, he said neighborhood councils he knows have between 200 and 300 prisoners each.

    The city of 1.8 million has dozens of such groups.

http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-rebels-round-black-africans-130723394.html




Smell that Arab "tolerance". Ask the black, Christian Darfurians how well the Muslims treat them.

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We removed a dictator, who cares what he will be replaced with........... ::)

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We removed a dictator, who cares what he will be replaced with........... ::)


"Yeah! He was a big meanie and a doo doo head! He treated his people bad and he needed to be nice! We went over and showed him who's boss....after 6 months! Who cares who takes over, they're free and can do anything they want! Who cares who we were really were helping, we got that meanie good!"

Who does that sound like?

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We removed a dictator, who cares what he will be replaced with........... ::)

Report: Libyan Jihadists Looking To Create Islamist State After Fall Of Gaddafi Regime

(Washington Times) — Jihadists among the Libyan rebels revealed plans last week on the Internet to subvert the post-Moammar Gadhafi government and create an Islamist state, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.

U.S. officials said spy agencies are stepping up surveillance of Islamist-oriented elements among Libyan rebels. A government report circulated Tuesday said extremists were observed “strategizing” on Internet forums about how to set up an Islamist state in Libya after the regime of Col. Gadhafi is defeated.

“Several forum participants have suggested that, following a transitional stage, the battle should turn against secularist rebels and members of the [rebels’] Transitional National Council,” the unclassified report stated.

Some U.S. officials sought to play down the remarks by noting that such Internet postings are not always accurate measures of jihadist plans.

The report said the jihadists’ strength and influence on the ground “are uncertain at this time.”

However, the report said the jihadist plotting coincided with the high-profile emergence of Abu Abdallah al-Sadiq, a former leader of the al Qaeda-linked Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) and now a leading rebel. He is currently known as Abdel Hakim al-Khulidi Belhaj and led rebels in overrunning Col. Gadhafi’s Tripoli compound.

A U.S. official familiar with intelligence reports on the region said there are concerns that some LIFG members remain committed to al Qaeda and others may be temporarily renouncing their ties to the terrorist group for “show.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/4/jihadists-plot-to-take-over-libya/



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I think you may be missing the point.

Don't think so....and quite frankly shoulder to air missiles are not really something to write home about.  A couple of Predator Drones and they can hit them long before they could even see it coming.  They can shoot down planes but you're more likely to get shot yourself.
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Don't think so....and quite frankly shoulder to air missiles are not really something to write home about.  A couple of Predator Drones and they can hit them long before they could even see it coming.  They can shoot down planes but you're more likely to get shot yourself.

20,000 surface-to-air missiles going missiles going missing isn't anything to write home about? That's almost as stupid as you claiming that you can turn a BB gun into a fully automatic assault rifle.

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Oh really air marshall Vince. This is a big friggen deal. They think a SAM brought down the SEALs. We had an Iraqi bring an old SA-7 to our front gate...it was a show stopper for a week until it was determined that it was dug up from an old cache. This is an issue. This was something that NATO should have planned for> i expect that they did and targeted weapons sites but who knows whats gotten out.
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Give me 5k SAMs inside the US and I will shut down all air travel inside North America. Hell all I need is a few and use some of them and nobody is going anywhere. We'd loose billions.
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Oh really air marshall Vince. This is a big friggen deal. They think a SAM brought down the SEALs. We had an Iraqi bring an old SA-7 to our front gate...it was a show stopper for a week until it was determined that it was dug up from an old cache. This is an issue. This was something that NATO should have planned for> i expect that they did and targeted weapons sites but who knows whats gotten out.

Wasn't it an RPG that brought down the copter that killed 7 SEALs and the other guys earlier in Afghanistan? But one SAM isn't a big deal, never mind TWENTY-THOUSAND.   ::)

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Wasn't it an RPG that brought down the copter that killed 7 SEALs and the other guys earlier in Afghanistan? But one SAM isn't a big deal, never mind TWENTY-THOUSAND.   ::)


Maybe not we're hearing that the bird got painted. We also heard that the an rpg with a 60mm mortor round head was used. I don't know but the individual who was said to have the SAM was killed a day or two later.
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Maybe not we're hearing that the bird got painted. We also heard that the an rpg with a 60mm mortor round head was used. I don't know but the individual who was said to have the SAM was killed a day or two later.

I just made the comment in the sense that even little RPGs can bring down choppers so Vince acting like an actual SAM is nothing to worry about is pretty comical.

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Yeah I know.....if I was AQ, I'd get them into Europe of North America. I'd get them back to Pakistan and then make it rain Americans. There are guys running around with these things that will make millions. I'm so glad I'm deploying in the Spring.  >:(
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