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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1125 on: June 24, 2008, 02:07:28 PM »
NT - Do you forsee any change in the weak dollar anytime soon?


once the Fed begins increasing interest rates, the dollar should strengthen some. but as sarcastic pointed out, until deficit spending is back under control, the dollars likely to remain weak.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1126 on: June 24, 2008, 02:14:19 PM »
Thanks Sarcastic and NT....

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« Reply #1127 on: June 24, 2008, 02:16:50 PM »
  

Greenspan says U.S. economy on brink of recession
24 June 2008


JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned on Tuesday the U.S. economy was “on the brink” of a recession.

He said via video link to an investment conference in Johannesburg the chances of that economy falling into recession were more than 50 percent and a rebound was unlikely.
Asked if the U.S. economy was in recession, Greenspan said: “We are on the brink”. “A rebound at this stage is not something I think is in the immediate outlook,” he added.




guys, looks like greenspan's late to the party





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« Reply #1128 on: June 24, 2008, 02:29:26 PM »
Faster Inflation May Unleash `Financial Tsunami'. 

June 24 (Bloomberg) -- Rising consumer prices will leave more U.S. consumers unable to pay their debts and may lead to a ``financial tsunami,'' according to Bennet Sedacca, president of money manager Atlantic Advisors.

``Whether it is anecdotal or statistical evidence, I see inflation everywhere, and this is where the financial tsunami cometh,'' Sedacca wrote in a report published yesterday. ``A battered, over-indebted consumer, if forced to retrench, could create even more problems for the banking system as loan delinquencies would begin to rise even further. All sorts of delinquencies are rising. This is now a systemic issue.''

Sedacca wrote that current financial-market conditions remind him of ``someone standing on a lonely beach, armed with only a small bucket, trying to stop a rare tsunami that hits the shores. It is how I feel about our markets and the tools being utilized by the Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank and other regulatory bodies. They are overmatched for what they are facing and, worse yet, they helped create the mess in the first place by being far too easy with money and debt creation.''




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« Reply #1129 on: June 24, 2008, 02:38:53 PM »
June 24 (Bloomberg) -- Home prices in 20 U.S. metropolitan areas fell in April by the most on record, signaling the housing recession is far from over, a private survey showed today.

The S&P/Case-Shiller home-price index dropped 15.3 percent from a year earlier, after a 14.3 percent decline in March. The group began keeping year-over-year records in 2001. A separate report showed consumer confidence slumped this month to the lowest level in 16 years.

Mortgage defaults and foreclosures are adding to the glut of properties on the market, while stricter loan rules are making it more difficult for prospective buyers to get financing. The prolonged real-estate slump, along with higher fuel prices and a shrinking job market, is taking a toll on consumers and the economy.



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« Reply #1130 on: June 24, 2008, 02:58:20 PM »
Gas could fall to $2 if Congress acts, analysts say
Limiting speculation would push prices to fundamental level, lawmakers told


June 23, 2008 MarketWatch-- The price of retail gasoline could fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday.
Testifying to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said that the price of oil would quickly drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135.



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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1131 on: June 24, 2008, 07:02:04 PM »
... because it's a bodybuilding board you faggotery generator. So can I predict that the earth rotates will make me dead RIGHT every 24hr. ::)

Everything you posted today can be found on:

http://money.cnn.com/
http://finance.yahoo.com/


amongst others... thanks for pointing out the obvious. ::)


and we can go to the forum discussions for mentally handicapped people if we want to read posts by retards, but you save us the trouble by posting here. 

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« Reply #1132 on: June 25, 2008, 06:17:39 AM »
Flat demand for durable goods in May

June 25, 2008 (MarketWatch) -- Demand for U.S.-made durable goods was unchanged in May, as higher orders for airplanes and defense goods offset weaker sales of machinery and metals, the Commerce Department reported Wednesday.

Excluding the 2.6% rise in transportation orders, orders for durable goods fell 0.9%. Excluding the 10.9% rise in defense orders, total orders fell.



guys, today's durable goods numbers were horrible. headline numbers say orders were flat, but without military/defense orders, durable goods FELL 0.9 %


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« Reply #1133 on: June 26, 2008, 10:49:07 AM »


Dow drubbing: Sinks to 21-month low


June 26, 2008
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks tumbled Thursday morning, with the Dow industrials hitting its lowest level in 21 months, after Goldman Sachs downgraded two key Dow components and two tech leaders disappointed investors.




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« Reply #1134 on: June 26, 2008, 01:11:24 PM »
Dow sinks 358 points   as oil surges to record
The blue-chip index tumbled more than 300 points as crude hits intraday record high of $140 a barrel.


June 26, 2008
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Dow plummeted 358 points Thursday afternoon as selling accelerated following a record surge in oil prices. The Dow Jones industrial average, which shed more than 300 points and dropped to its lowest level in nearly two years.





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« Reply #1135 on: June 26, 2008, 05:47:40 PM »
June 26, 2008
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- U.S. stocks fell sharply Thursday with the blue-chip index enduring its worst June so far since 1930, and plunging to its lowest finish since Sept. 11, 2006, after getting slammed hard as crude soared to new highs.

Dow tumbled 358.41 points, or 3%, to 11,453.42, leaving it down nearly 1,200 points, or 9.4%, for the month, with two trading days yet to go. As things stand, the month is the worst June so far since 1930



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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1136 on: June 26, 2008, 06:07:24 PM »
So this means things are getting better?

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« Reply #1137 on: June 27, 2008, 03:48:36 AM »
looking back.......




the main message to fellow getbiggers is:when you combine a record weak dollar/greenback, the worst housing and credit bust since 1929 with hyperinflation, record gas and oil prices, a tapped out/in debt consumer who today accounts for 70% of our economy, it's bad. this ultimately will result in a DEEP RECESSION and STAGFLATION. (non-growing economy with high inflation) considered by top economists as the WORST of all possible scenarios.

imo, the above mentioned will hit the stock market HARD in the coming months and the little guy stuck in a 401k will get slaughtered on the way down.(as usual)  conversely, professionals on wall street make money if markets go up.......or down.

i've been in this industry for many years and have NEVER seen a situation quite like the one developing.............i just hope people listen.



  

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« Reply #1138 on: June 27, 2008, 05:21:04 AM »
Hyperinflation?  ::)

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« Reply #1139 on: June 27, 2008, 06:57:23 AM »
Barclays warns of a financial storm as Federal Reserve's credibility crumbles

27/06/2008
US central bank accused of unleashing an inflation shock that will rock financial markets, reports Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Barclays Capital has advised clients to batten down the hatches for a worldwide financial storm, warning that the US Federal Reserve has allowed the inflation genie out of the bottle and let its credibility fall "below zero".

"We're in a nasty environment," said Tim Bond, the bank's chief equity strategist. "There is an inflation shock underway. This is going to be very negative for financial assets. We are going into tortoise mood and are retreating into our shell. Investors will do well if they can preserve their wealth."


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« Reply #1140 on: June 27, 2008, 07:00:07 AM »



preservation of capital is key. if you do nothing, kiss your money goodbye.






the perfect storm is brewing........

 

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« Reply #1141 on: June 27, 2008, 08:12:30 AM »
In economics, hyperinflation is inflation that is "out of control," a condition in which prices increase rapidly as a currency loses its value. 

Look it up and learn. 



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I have a Masters degree in Economics.  I know what hyperinflation is.  The inflation rate in the USA is nowhere near being what can be described as hyperinflation.  If the US had hyperinflation in November 2007 something that cost a dollar would now being cost $25, $50 or $100.  It doesn't.

You should do some reading yourself on what "economists" actually consider to be hyperinflation. 


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« Reply #1142 on: June 27, 2008, 12:27:06 PM »
U.S. Stocks Slump, Pushing Dow Average to Brink of Bear Market  



 June 27 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell, pushing the Dow Jones Industrial Average to the brink of a bear market, on concern subprime-related writedowns at banks will worsen and record oil and a slowing economy will prolong the worst profit decline since 2002.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1143 on: June 27, 2008, 12:53:27 PM »

as do I.  :-*


Sax here's some advise. start your own thread and offer useful market insight to gber's. this way, you'll quit being a petty, fvcking wiseass in this thread.


have a great day!   :D



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Did you find that degree in a cereal packet?  You quoted straight from Wikipedia as to what hyperinflation was  ::)  That give me such a laugh!  Your google fu is strong!  Most working definitions of hyperinflation consider a country to be in hyperinflation when it's annual inflation rate is around 1,000 % a year! That is actually from an economics textbook. The US annual inflation rate is probably around 8-14 depending on how it is calculated.  You sure know your economics  ::)

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« Reply #1144 on: June 27, 2008, 01:03:46 PM »
guys....as expected we head lower.


Dow industrials, off over 20% from October highs


June 27, 2008 (MarketWatch) -- Stocks continued to fall Friday, unable to bounce back a day after the market plunged on renewed concerns about financials, credit conditions and oil topping $140 for the first time.
With crude hitting a new high at $142.26 a barrel earlier on, the market remained worried about the impact of surging commodities prices on consumers. 

A survey by the University of Michigan revealed consumer confidence slid further in June.  "With oil prices bursting through the $140 threshold and seemingly unstoppable, economists are busily debating whether it's all going to end in fire (inflation) or ice (deep recession)," said Doug Porter, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets.


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« Reply #1145 on: June 27, 2008, 04:05:26 PM »
Did you find that degree in a cereal packet?  You quoted straight from Wikipedia as to what hyperinflation was  ::)  That give me such a laugh!  Your google fu is strong!  Most working definitions of hyperinflation consider a country to be in hyperinflation when it's annual inflation rate is around 1,000 % a year! That is actually from an economics textbook. The US annual inflation rate is probably around 8-14 depending on how it is calculated.  You sure know your economics  ::)


Another passenger on the titanic arguing over the thread count in the bedsheets...

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« Reply #1146 on: June 27, 2008, 11:30:50 PM »
So much for that second-half rebound.

Truth be told, that was always more of a wish than a serious forecast, happy talk from the Fed and Wall Street desperate to get things back to normal.

It ain't gonna happen. Not this summer. Not this fall. Not even next winter.

This thing's going down, fast and hard. Corporate bankruptcies, bond defaults, bank failures, hedge fund meltdowns and 6 percent unemployment. We're caught in one of those vicious, downward spirals that, once it gets going, is very hard to pull out of.

Only this will be a different kind of recession -- a recession with an overlay of inflation. That combo puts the Federal Reserve in a Catch-22 -- whatever it does to solve one problem only makes the other worse. Emerging from a two-day meeting this week, Fed officials signaled that further recession-fighting rate cuts are unlikely and that their next move will be to raise rates to contain inflationary expectations.

Since last June, we've seen a fairly consistent pattern to the economic mood swings. Every three months or so, there's a round of bad news about housing, followed by warnings of more bank write-offs and then a string of disappointing corporate earnings reports. Eventually, things stabilize and there are hints that the worst may be behind us. Stocks regain some of their lost ground, bonds fall and then -- bam -- the whole cycle starts again.

It was only in November that the Dow had recovered from the panicked summer sell-off and hit a record, just above 14,000. By March, it had fallen below 12,000. By May, it climbed above 13,000. Now it's heading for a new floor at 11,000. Officially, that's bear market territory. We'll be lucky if that's the floor.

Full article here,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/26/AR2008062604030.html


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« Reply #1147 on: June 27, 2008, 11:58:15 PM »
HAhahahah the fraudulent Neurobitch getting exposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The bitch does love to cut and past endless shit that we've read 24-48hrs ago.


Do you always act this way? Why can't you offer an intelligent debate, with mature responses if you don't agree with anything that's been posted here? Or is it that you do agree with the information, it's just that you don't like the fact that he brings it to the political board? It seems like you post in this thread for no other reason than to cause conflict, is that your goal?

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« Reply #1148 on: June 28, 2008, 08:07:08 AM »




Neurotoxin knows what he's talking about. Under control for most but more should've listen. Including me.





 
 

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« Reply #1149 on: June 28, 2008, 08:27:30 AM »
I wanna debate something intelligent , I'll "debate" with Saxon & others.

If want market related news, I won't go ona  muscle board.

Hope this reality shocks.

Interesting.

So, you don't want Neuro to post political related items on a political board but you have no problems debating individuals about political related issues on the same board? Could you explain how it's possible to have a debate with people that agree with you?

Why would you hope that your post "shocks" me? If anything it has left me kinda confused. Perhaps that was your orginal intent but you just didnt word your post correctly?