Author Topic: Police cars now automatically scanning and recording license plates in databases (Read 3859 times)

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #50 on:** March 10, 2013, 04:50:42 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 10, 2013, 04:38:29 PM

If you're referring to a database search, then I suppose so...but I'm referencing in terms of a 4th amendment search.

I've never heard of any protection against the police referencing DMV/DOT data.

But, the SCOTUS has ruled we have a right to privacy. So, the more pertinent issue, IMO, is whether or not holding this data violates that protection.

Exactly. It is done with an absolute intent to search. There's no way around that.

The idea is that it's intended as tool to be used in a public place, meaning that it's "ok" to begin a composite structure of information pertaining to the timed whereabouts of all citizens. Again, there's no way around that conclusion.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #51 on:** March 10, 2013, 05:09:07 PM »

What needs to happen, is that the search MUST be limited to storing data that pertains to the legal issues that a cop on a routine traffic stop would deal with. There MUST be a way to guarantee that all other information is removed as it is processed. Removed. Period.

And people know this shit. The guys implementing this stuff know it. There's no "confusion" about what's proper.

Please, to anyone, don't kid yourself about this.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #52 on:** March 10, 2013, 05:13:01 PM »

Crazy, crazy world, man.

But so fucking predictable, when we allow the psychopaths to set the score.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 10, 2013, 05:21:24 PM »

Quote from: Jack T. Cross on March 10, 2013, 04:50:42 PM

Exactly. It is done with an absolute intent to search. There's no way around that.

The idea is that it's intended as tool to be used in a public place, meaning that it's "ok" to begin a composite structure of information pertaining to the timed whereabouts of all citizens. Again, there's no way around that conclusion.

Well the database search is merely an extension of what a cop could do on their own, so I don't see that as going anywhere. Perfectly legal as far as I know (I'm no attorney though).

Agreed on the privacy aspect.

A more amusing question is whether or not the cops supporting this technology on the basis of it being 'public' info, are also against being filmed while doing their job in public.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #54 on:** March 10, 2013, 05:27:47 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 10, 2013, 05:21:24 PM

Well the database search is merely an extension of what a cop could do on their own, so I don't see that as going anywhere. Perfectly legal as far as I know (I'm no attorney though).

Agreed on the privacy aspect.

What do you mean, Skip? That cops, theoretically, could drive around entering license plates manually?

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 10, 2013, 05:21:24 PM

A more amusing question is whether or not the cops supporting this technology on the basis of it being 'public' info, are also against being filmed while doing their job in public.

I'd love to hear one of them explain. Because you know there are many, many cops who would try to defend both stances.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 10, 2013, 05:32:27 PM »

Quote from: Jack T. Cross on March 10, 2013, 05:27:47 PM

What do you mean, Skip? That cops, theoretically, could drive around entering license plates manually?

I'd love to hear one of them explain. Because you know there are many, many cops who would try to defend both stances.

Yeah basically. This technology just automates police manually checking and noting plates. I don't think they need any reason to run your plates.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #56 on:** March 10, 2013, 05:41:46 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 10, 2013, 05:32:27 PM

Yeah basically. This technology just automates police manually checking and noting plates. I don't think they need any reason to run your plates.

I'm not sure if it would be possible to build a meaningful database in such a way, but you never know...lol

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #57 on:** March 10, 2013, 05:57:03 PM »

Excellent point on the potential hypocrisy of the average cop regarding this, versus being recorded. I'd love for 007 and other cops to state their opinions.

whork · « **Reply #58 on:** March 10, 2013, 06:01:11 PM »

As long as cops can get away with the shit they pull off(see the police state thread) their access to technology and things that yields them power should be limited.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #59 on:** March 10, 2013, 06:26:50 PM »

You know, it's funny. If you think about what Skip was saying, regarding that, theoretically, cops could spend all free time recording license plates, locations, times, etc., it really puts things into perspective. Imagine how the conversation would be different, if that was the case.

24KT · « **Reply #60 on:** March 11, 2013, 03:07:03 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 10, 2013, 05:21:24 PM

Well the database search is merely an extension of what a cop could do on their own, so I don't see that as going anywhere. Perfectly legal as far as I know (I'm no attorney though).

Agreed on the privacy aspect.

A more amusing question is whether or not the cops supporting this technology on the basis of it being 'public' info, are also against being filmed while doing their job in public.

...and while supposedly in the capacity of "public servants" hmmmm... quite the contradiction wouldn't you say?

whork · « **Reply #61 on:** March 11, 2013, 07:17:57 AM »

Quote from: 24KT on March 11, 2013, 03:07:03 AM

...and while supposedly in the capacity of "public servants" hmmmm... quite the contradiction wouldn't you say?

This!!

Agnostic007 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 11, 2013, 08:49:27 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 10, 2013, 05:21:24 PM

Well the database search is merely an extension of what a cop could do on their own, so I don't see that as going anywhere. Perfectly legal as far as I know (I'm no attorney though).

Agreed on the privacy aspect.

A more amusing question is whether or not the cops supporting this technology on the basis of it being 'public' info, are also against being filmed while doing their job in public.

I'm all for being filmed doing my job in public. My department films me, I have no expectation of privacy in the public sector. I don't understand some cops issue with this. Having said that, there are some groups that like to interject themselves in the cops face while they are conducting business, causing a safety issue. That, I'm opposed to, but filming me in general, have at it.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #63 on:** March 11, 2013, 09:17:20 AM »

Quote from: Agnostic007 on March 11, 2013, 08:49:27 AM

I'm all for being filmed doing my job in public. My department films me, I have no expectation of privacy in the public sector. I don't understand some cops issue with this. Having said that, there are some groups that like to interject themselves in the cops face while they are conducting business, causing a safety issue. That, I'm opposed to, but filming me in general, have at it.

You would admit that there are a great many of your like who do not appreciate the filming... No?

Option D · « **Reply #64 on:** March 11, 2013, 09:25:53 AM »

Fuck this shit.. im getting a bicycle

chadstallion · « **Reply #65 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:23:46 AM »

Quote from: Option D on March 11, 2013, 09:25:53 AM

Fuck this shit.. im getting a bicycle

then we'll be checking out your muscular ass and thighs.

Option D · « **Reply #66 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:24:13 AM »

Quote from: chadstallion on March 11, 2013, 10:23:46 AM

then we'll be checking out your muscular ass and thighs.

you forgot to put no homo

chadstallion · « **Reply #67 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:26:39 AM »

Quote from: Option D on March 11, 2013, 10:24:13 AM

you forgot to put no homo

why would I put that there?

it would be a mis statement. and immediately corrected by 333386.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #68 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:26:52 AM »

Quote from: Option D on March 11, 2013, 10:24:13 AM

you forgot to put no homo

Chad is 100% homo.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #69 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:27:04 AM »

Quote from: Option D on March 11, 2013, 10:24:13 AM

you forgot to put no homo

Chad is all homo/twink all the time. He trolls for hookups on this site. Maybe you should PM him and you two can exchange numbers.

Option D · « **Reply #70 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:27:47 AM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 11, 2013, 10:26:52 AM

Chad is 100% homo.

awe shit... wtf

tu_holmes · « **Reply #71 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:30:12 AM »

Quote from: Option D on March 11, 2013, 10:27:47 AM

awe shit... wtf

I dunno man... As one of my work colleagues says... "I do not understand the gay."

Chad seems alright though... He's a good-natured dude... You just gotta guard your backside around him.

chadstallion · « **Reply #72 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:30:57 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2013, 10:27:04 AM

Chad is all homo/twink all the time. He trolls for hookups on this site. Maybe you should PM him and you two can exchange numbers.

no hook ups on this site. Even I have my standards. Anyone less qualified than you gets an automatic pass from me.

chadstallion · « **Reply #73 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:31:40 AM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 11, 2013, 10:30:12 AM

I dunno man... As one of my work colleagues says... "I do not understand the gay."

Chad seems alright though... He's a good-natured dude... You just gotta guard your backside around him.

but that means you're agreeable for a little bj action? you can stay working right at your desk; i'll do the rest.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #74 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:33:52 AM »

Quote from: chadstallion on March 11, 2013, 10:30:57 AM

no hook ups on this site. Even I have my standards. Anyone less qualified than you gets an automatic pass from me.

No thanks - I like chicks w booty and bog tits.