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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: tonymctones on September 22, 2009, 10:52:24 PM
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...if eveyone was a conscientious objector... well you can figure out the rest.
Besides, to the best of my knowledge America has never really won a war. So what's the point in dying, or killing third world losers, for multinational corporations profits?
The Luke
Alright luke defend your statement
Lets start with the American revolution...
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Alright luke defend your statement
Lets start with the American revolution...
Libs pretty much make up their own reality.
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it's a very odd statement.
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Alright luke defend your statement
Lets start with the American revolution...
How about the largest and toughest war in history...WW2!!!?
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How about the largest and toughest war in history...WW2!!!?
dang right... only we fought in wwii!!! and we had no help in the revolution!!! booya bitches!
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dang right... only we fought in wwii!!! and we had no help in the revolution!!! booya bitches!
USA didn't win WWII on its own, in fact Russia was the main factor. But USA was a winner in WWII.
To claim otherwise is just... insane.
Or have I misunderstood everything? ???
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USA didn't win WWII on its own, in fact Russia was the main factor. But USA was a winner in WWII.
To claim otherwise is just... insane.
Or have I misunderstood everything? ???
Gulf War 1?
War of 1812?
Spanish -American War?
Mexican War?
Bosnia?
Panama (Mons should know since he fought there?)?
Revolutionary War?
WW2?
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Since the country came into existance we have won every war by a mile.
2 Exceptions: Vietnam= Loss
Korea= Tie
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USA didn't win WWII on its own, in fact Russia was the main factor. But USA was a winner in WWII.
To claim otherwise is just... insane.
Or have I misunderstood everything? ???
Very true. But without the U.S., the Russians wouldn't of had the chance to win in the East.
It is also very impressive that the U.S. fought a 2 front conflict and came out on top.
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Very true. But without the U.S., the Russians wouldn't of had the chance to win in the East.
It is also very impressive that the U.S. fought a 2 front conflict and came out on top.
Not for long though...while we did, if it would have lasted any longer it might have been disastrous. That, and we had help on the other front.
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USA didn't win WWII on its own, in fact Russia was the main factor. But USA was a winner in WWII.
To claim otherwise is just... insane.
Or have I misunderstood everything? ???
yes we did!!!! wwii was all us. don;t you watch movies >:(
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yes we did!!!! wwii was all us. don;t you watch movies >:(
You mean Tom Hanks was not responsible for winning WW2?
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Very true. But without the U.S., the Russians wouldn't of had the chance to win in the East.
It is also very impressive that the U.S. fought a 2 front conflict and came out on top.
Yes.
You're right.
How many percent of the victory "belonged" to USA or Russia, or England, isn't important.
They won. That's what mattered.
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You mean Tom Hanks was not responsible for winning WW2?
I'm pretty sure Mel Gibson defeated the British.
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I'm pretty sure Mel Gibson defeated the British.
single handedly at that ;D
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You mean Tom Hanks was not responsible for winning WW2?
I just said he was you piss poor attempt at a speed reader. ::)
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I just said he was you piss poor attempt at a speed reader. ::)
I thought you were referring to John Wayne or stuff like that.
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I just said he was you piss poor attempt at a speed reader. ::)
funny getbig comment of the day 5 points for hugo
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dang right... only we fought in wwii!!! and we had no help in the revolution!!! booya bitches!
1.You moron, no one said that the US was the only side... actually your whole post is idiotic since a war have to be fought by 2 parties or more.
2.There is no doubt that the Hitler would have conquered all of Europe INCLUDING Russia if the US didn't come in to the war, not to mention that the Japanese would have closed on the Russians from the other direction.
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1.You moron, no one said that the US was the only side... actually your whole post is idiotic since a war have to be fought by 2 parties or more.
2.There is no doubt that the Hitler would have conquered all of Europe INCLUDING Russia if the US didn't come in to the war, not to mention that the Japanese would have closed on the Russians from the other direction.
wow ::)
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wow ::)
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I think we killed way more Viet-Cong then the other way around though, like 10:1 I think?
So it wasn't like they beat us-beat us...
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IFBB, you're clearly a very special geniot. I shall listen to you oh wise one from Israel. You are far to clever and cunning for me to oppose.
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I think we killed way more Viet-Cong then the other way around though, like 10:1 I think?
So it wasn't like they beat us-beat us...
Vietnam wasn't a traditional "loss" as we think about in other wars. The Viet-Cong were finished as an effective/respected force after Tet and the NVA was effectively neutralized after 1971 and the following Easter Offensive.
It was the first war that was politically lost and that the media etc had a hand in forming policy.
And to Hedgehog, I was not trying to break the victory down into %'s with my statement. Just that the U.S. helped many nations during the war with more than military/industrial strength.
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To all the people who always bring up Russia, let's ask this. Would Russia have stood any chance had Germany not been focused with the USA? Nope. Meanwhile, we were fighting on multiple fronts across 3/4 of the planet.
The Luke is a dipshit who sent out 2,000 job applications in the glorious country of Ireland (economic juggernaut according to him), couldn't find gainful employment and now (when he's not living in his parent's basement) spends his time chasing Bigfoot across the planet. He spends his summers tasting animal dropping across the American northwest or wherever the fuck Sasquatch was spotted this year. ::)
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To all the people who always bring up Russia, let's ask this. Would Russia have stood any chance had Germany not been focused with the USA? Nope. Meanwhile, we were fighting on multiple fronts across 3/4 of the planet.
The Luke is a dipshit who sent out 2,000 job applications in the glorious country of Ireland (economic juggernaut according to him), couldn't find gainful employment and now (when he's not living in his parent's basement) spends his time chasing Bigfoot across the planet. He spends his summers tasting animal dropping across the American northwest or wherever the fuck Sasquatch was spotted this year. ::)
I think the United States played a larger part in WWII then we get credit for. The 101st alone kicked a massive amount of ass all the way to Germany. How much longer would the war have lasted without the United States and it's supplies/weapons? ???
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I think the United States played a larger part in WWII then we get credit for. The 101st alone kicked a massive amount of ass all the way to Germany. How much longer would the war have lasted without the United States and it's supplies/weapons? ???
I see it more as jealously than anything else. It's always Europeans who were too busy sucking German dick to defend themselves that are trying to tell you who did what. The Luke has a massive grudge against America (probably because a Bigfoot hunter with a physics degree can't find a job here) so his statements aren't surprising.
Fact of the matter is that Russia or England would have gotten curbstomped into oblivion had the USA not entered the war. The fact we did it while fighting in Europe, Africa, Asia and fuck all only makes it that much more impressive. Team USA!
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I don't know where to begin but u guys have all done an excellant job of shutting this idiotic statement down. U can debate ww2 and the Russians or French help during the Rev...but Luke the fact remains...there hasn't been a major land war anywhere....anywhere since 1945 that we have either prevented or been involved in. Let me clarify...either our simple existance and power projection ie...Western Europe during the Cold war...Taiwan....the Balkans etc etc...has prevented genocide, economic collapse or a wider war. Yes we pulled out of Vietnam....study the war. The Dems cut off all military aid to South Vietnam...what would US airpower have done to the North's armour as they attacked deep into the South? We stopped the exact same thing in 1973 before we left. Europe can't do a damm thing without us...they're scared rabbits...lump in Canada. We could all go on and on but I think the horse is dead. We may fuck up everything else in this country...I don't think so but u wonderful Euro's can argue it...but we have the greatest military in history. The only thing that can defeat the US military is the will of the US people. Everybody else...including most of our allies, are children when it comes to the modern art of war. We're limited only by a Western standard of eithics.
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And I thought Luke's buffoonery was limited to the Religion forum.....GOOD GRIEF!!!
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And I thought Luke's buffoonery was limited to the Religion forum.....GOOD GRIEF!!!
I owned him on the small business thread and derailed it into something else.
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He's a bigfoot hunter...they have the big guy in Ireland?
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I see it more as jealously than anything else. It's always Europeans who were too busy sucking German dick to defend themselves that are trying to tell you who did what. The Luke has a massive grudge against America (probably because a Bigfoot hunter with a physics degree can't find a job here) so his statements aren't surprising.
Fact of the matter is that Russia or England would have gotten curbstomped into oblivion had the USA not entered the war. The fact we did it while fighting in Europe, Africa, Asia and fuck all only makes it that much more impressive. Team USA!
This ^^^^^
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BF nailed it right on the head.
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yeahhyeah yeah...never mind that, whats with the bigfoor thing. :D
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The past is the past. What's hilarious is the US military cannot beat the Taliban with twice as many troops, twice as much firepower and a 600 billion dollar defense budget. All the generals can do is bitch and whine they don't have enough troops wha wha! Do your fucking job and handle your fucking business! Quit bitching and complaining. The American taxpayers have given your asses enough money year in and year out. If you can't do your fucking job then bring your ass back home. Fucking pathetic! God forbid the US military actually has to defend the homeland against a serious threat like China or Russia! Hell I wonder if the US military could even beat back the fucking drug cartels these days.
I mean look at the average GI. They are inefficient right from the get go. Loaded down with big ass helmets, body armor, goggles, gloves, knee pads, heavy boots, 60lb backpacks. Makes no fucking sense. Swift, light and deadly should by our motto over in Afghanistan. You beat your enemy by becoming your enemy and learning how they survive and fight. We don't need more fucking troops we need more Marcus Luttrells over there kicking ass and taking names! Dude fought off 300+ Taliban by HIMSELF and 3 other guys!
What the fuck is the point of carrying a 60lb pack in the middle of Afghanistan? WE HAVE FUCKING HELICOPTERS TO DO SUPPLY DROPS! The entire military model over in Afghanistan is a fucking failure cause the suits controlling everything probably spent all their days pushing fucking pencils instead of pulling the trigger. Where are the Pattons, the MacArthurs? Is McCrystal holstering up and going out on patrol? He's probably jacking off to internet porn in between his pathetic begging for more troops. The US military is one upside down corporation with out of touch military brass elites who have no fucking clue how to fight a war anymore.
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The past is the past. What's hilarious is the US military cannot beat the Taliban with twice as many troops, twice as much firepower and a 600 billion dollar defense budget. All the generals can do is bitch and whine they don't have enough troops wha wha! Do your fucking job and handle your fucking business! Quit bitching and complaining. The American taxpayers have given your asses enough money year in and year out. If you can't do your fucking job then bring your ass back home. Fucking pathetic! God forbid the US military actually has to defend the homeland against a serious threat like China or Russia! Hell I wonder if the US military could even beat back the fucking drug cartels these days.
I mean look at the average GI. They are inefficient right from the get go. Loaded down with big ass helmets, body armor, goggles, gloves, knee pads, heavy boots, 60lb backpacks. Makes no fucking sense. Swift, light and deadly should by our motto over in Afghanistan. You beat your enemy by becoming your enemy and learning how they survive and fight. We don't need more fucking troops we need more Marcus Luttrells over there kicking ass and taking names! Dude fought off 300+ Taliban by HIMSELF and 3 other guys!
What the fuck is the point of carrying a 60lb pack in the middle of Afghanistan? WE HAVE FUCKING HELICOPTERS TO DO SUPPLY DROPS! The entire military model over in Afghanistan is a fucking failure cause the suits controlling everything probably spent all their days pushing fucking pencils instead of pulling the trigger. Where are the Pattons, the MacArthurs? Is McCrystal holstering up and going out on patrol? He's probably jacking off to internet porn in between his pathetic begging for more troops. The US military is one upside down corporation with out of touch military brass elites who have no fucking clue how to fight a war anymore.
Haha, now the nurse is an expert on military warfare and all things combat. This is priceless!
Only on Getbig would we get someone who cleans bed pans for a living giving out military advice.
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Oh christ i thought we got rid of u or u'd offed urself. 60lbs...I've run with 60lbs on my back...Hugo did it when he graduated bootcamp. Please u fagotty nurse..unless u've served shut the fuck up. U and Mons should go fuch each other.
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The past is the past. What's hilarious is the US military cannot beat the Taliban with twice as many troops, twice as much firepower and a 600 billion dollar defense budget. All the generals can do is bitch and whine they don't have enough troops wha wha! Do your fucking job and handle your fucking business! Quit bitching and complaining. The American taxpayers have given your asses enough money year in and year out. If you can't do your fucking job then bring your ass back home. Fucking pathetic! God forbid the US military actually has to defend the homeland against a serious threat like China or Russia! Hell I wonder if the US military could even beat back the fucking drug cartels these days.
I mean look at the average GI. They are inefficient right from the get go. Loaded down with big ass helmets, body armor, goggles, gloves, knee pads, heavy boots, 60lb backpacks. Makes no fucking sense. Swift, light and deadly should by our motto over in Afghanistan. You beat your enemy by becoming your enemy and learning how they survive and fight. We don't need more fucking troops we need more Marcus Luttrells over there kicking ass and taking names! Dude fought off 300+ Taliban by HIMSELF and 3 other guys!
What the fuck is the point of carrying a 60lb pack in the middle of Afghanistan? WE HAVE FUCKING HELICOPTERS TO DO SUPPLY DROPS! The entire military model over in Afghanistan is a fucking failure cause the suits controlling everything probably spent all their days pushing fucking pencils instead of pulling the trigger. Where are the Pattons, the MacArthurs? Is McCrystal holstering up and going out on patrol? He's probably jacking off to internet porn in between his pathetic begging for more troops. The US military is one upside down corporation with out of touch military brass elites who have no fucking clue how to fight a war anymore.
You want to know why the Taliban still exist? Because the US population at large doesn't have the stomch to deal with what needs to be done to wipe the fuckers out. You speak of Patton and MacArthur, they would give a fuck about colateral damage and would blow all the fuckers straight to hell.
Political Correctness is the reason why the US is still fighting this war. The delusion of winning the hearts and minds is exactly that. Did the allies win the hearts and minds of the Germans and Japanese? No they unleased hell on earth until the fuckers lost the will to fight, and those that still fought died end of story.
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Isn't "The Luke" the half-wit who is always searching for bigfoot?
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Yeah, here he is on one of his expaditions
(http://pages.prodigy.net/rockaway/leprechaun4.jpg)
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You want to know why the Taliban still exist? Because the US population at large doesn't have the stomch to deal with what needs to be done to wipe the fuckers out. You speak of Patton and MacArthur, they would give a fuck about colateral damage and would blow all the fuckers straight to hell.
Political Correctness is the reason why the US is still fighting this war. The delusion of winning the hearts and minds is exactly that. Did the allies win the hearts and minds of the Germans and Japanese? No they unleased hell on earth until the fuckers lost the will to fight, and those that still fought died end of story.
That's what I'm saying. Too bad the top military brass are bought and paid for just like their government and corporate counterpart. They dropped their balls a long time ago. Petraeus is a fucking sheep/stooge/lackey whatever you want to label him.
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Haha, now the nurse is an expert on military warfare and all things combat. This is priceless!
Only on Getbig would we get someone who cleans bed pans for a living giving out military advice.
Haha so says the fucking college kid with no job. I've taken care of more troops from this war more times than you've played with your little dick in your dorm room. I've seen first hand the tragedy and horrors of war and the maimed and scarred for life soldiers that battle and combat creates. I've worked side by side with military doctors and medics and other military nurses. You wanna criticize my profession while your nanny ass sits around with his thumb up his ass all day. I've taught 22 year old KIDS with their gut pulled through their abdomen how to clean the shit out of and change and care for their colostomy bag. Is that fucking funny to you? Seeing a guy not much younger than yourself having to shit into a bag because he was shot in the abdomen? Is it funny to you trying to watch a guy not much younger than you trying learn how to eat again with his fingers burnt and blown off? Is it funny to you trying to watch a guy that used to run everyday during PT in basic learn how to maneuver a fucking wheel chair for the rest of his life? Or no maybe it's hilarious to you watching a young 20 something kid with half his skull missing try to remember who his family and girlfriend are. I've earned MY RIGHT to criticize my military and the way we fight our wars.
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Haha so says the fucking college kid with no job. I've taken care of more troops from this war more times than you've played with your little dick in your dorm room. I've seen first hand the tragedy and horrors of war and the maimed and scarred for life soldiers that battle and combat creates. I've worked side by side with military doctors and medics and other military nurses. You wanna criticize my profession while your nanny ass sits around with his thumb up his ass all day. I've taught 22 year old KIDS with their gut pulled through their abdomen how to clean the shit out of and change and care for their colostomy bag. Is that fucking funny to you? Seeing a guy not much younger than yourself having to shit into a bag because he was shot in the abdomen? Is it funny to you trying to watch a guy not much younger than you trying learn how to eat again with his fingers burnt and blown off? Is it funny to you trying to watch a guy that used to run everyday during PT in basic learn how to maneuver a fucking wheel chair for the rest of his life? Or no maybe it's hilarious to you watching a young 20 something kid with half his skull missing try to remember who his family and girlfriend are. I've earned MY RIGHT to criticize my military and the way we fight our wars.
BerzerkFury is a pussy, you can just tell by looking at him. :-\
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Oh christ i thought we got rid of u or u'd offed urself. 60lbs...I've run with 60lbs on my back...Hugo did it when he graduated bootcamp. Please u fagotty nurse..unless u've served shut the fuck up. U and Mons should go fuch each other.
IF it wasn't for us faggoty nurses you're fellow soldiers would be laying around dying. Who the fuck do you think is supporting all the doctors and surgeons in the Green Zone and other military hospitals in Iraq and Afghanistan or Germany? I've seen more injured troops and talked to more guys who've ACTUALLY FOUGHT on the front lines than some guy picking up trash on a mountain and sitting behind a computer gathering "intelligence".
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Haha so says the fucking college kid with no job. I've taken care of more troops from this war more times than you've played with your little dick in your dorm room. I've seen first hand the tragedy and horrors of war and the maimed and scarred for life soldiers that battle and combat creates. I've worked side by side with military doctors and medics and other military nurses. You wanna criticize my profession while your nanny ass sits around with his thumb up his ass all day. I've taught 22 year old KIDS with their gut pulled through their abdomen how to clean the shit out of and change and care for their colostomy bag. Is that fucking funny to you? Seeing a guy not much younger than yourself having to shit into a bag because he was shot in the abdomen? Is it funny to you trying to watch a guy not much younger than you trying learn how to eat again with his fingers burnt and blown off? Is it funny to you trying to watch a guy that used to run everyday during PT in basic learn how to maneuver a fucking wheel chair for the rest of his life? Or no maybe it's hilarious to you watching a young 20 something kid with half his skull missing try to remember who his family and girlfriend are. I've earned MY RIGHT to criticize my military and the way we fight our wars.
NO u haven't ur full of shit..go change a bed pan u asshat. U couldn't carry P4's jockstrap. Why don't u go back where the fuck u came from. U've been destoyed on every board on this site. Ur a male nurse..congrats. Unless u've served u can't say a damm thing.
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NO u haven't ur full of shit..go change a bed pan u asshat. U couldn't carry P4's jockstrap. Why don't u go back where the fuck u came from. U've been destoyed on every board on this site. Ur a male nurse..congrats. Unless u've served u can't say a damm thing.
Y A fat tubby computer guy sitting behind the screen talking shit.
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According to a getbig insider speaking from hands-on experience (Slapper) The Luke has never actually lost his gag reflex despite numerous reports that he sucked off Bigfoot, the abominable snowman and Manute Bol.
Discuss-->
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I dont like it when people blame "the media" for us still being in afghanistan.
"If CNN wasn't embedded, we'd have won in 6 weeks!"
Hey, Dubya was the one who embedded them.
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BerzerkFury is a pussy, you can just tell by looking at him. :-\
Haha, says the fat shit who won't post a pic and is now butthurt because I don't find the 300 lame and uninteresting threads you start a day amusing. And you're calling who a pussy, picless coward?
You want to know why the Taliban still exist? Because the US population at large doesn't have the stomch to deal with what needs to be done to wipe the fuckers out. You speak of Patton and MacArthur, they would give a fuck about colateral damage and would blow all the fuckers straight to hell.
Political Correctness is the reason why the US is still fighting this war. The delusion of winning the hearts and minds is exactly that. Did the allies win the hearts and minds of the Germans and Japanese? No they unleased hell on earth until the fuckers lost the will to fight, and those that still fought died end of story.
That's exactly why. Trying to play grabass and Mr. Nice Guy isn't working out too well.
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Haha, says the fat shit who won't post a pic and is now butthurt because I don't find the 300 lame and uninteresting threads you start a day amusing. And you're calling who a pussy, picless coward?
That's exactly why. Trying to play grabass and Mr. Nice Guy isn't working out too well.
I've posted 4 different pictures, no one is spamming em all over like yours, so I guess I'm OK. :)
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I've posted 4 different pictures, no one is spamming em all over like yours, so I guess I'm OK. :)
The last thread a gimmick tried to start about me where my pics were the main topic completely blew up in his face. Uh-oh, looks like someone developed a physique. ;)
Please don't take to stalking me because I said your off-topic threads suck.
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The last thread a gimmick tried to start about me where my pics were the main topic completely blew up in his face. Uh-oh, looks like someone developed a physique. ;)
Please don't take to stalking me because I said your off-topic threads suck.
I won't stalk you, I got bigger fish to fry. :-*
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The last thread a gimmick tried to start about me where my pics were the main topic completely blew up in his face. Uh-oh, looks like someone developed a physique. ;)
Please don't take to stalking me because I said your off-topic threads suck.
Aren't you mr. ed?
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Y A fat tubby computer guy sitting behind the screen talking shit.
Go clean a bed pan....I must have missed u at Bagdad airport in 03' or in Afghanistan in 06'...ur a nurse....get over it.
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Go clean a bed pan....I must have missed u at Bagdad airport in 03' or in Afghanistan in 06'...ur a nurse....get over it.
Oh shit - its on baby.
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He's ana idiot...all of a sudden we get this asshat and SAMSON back on the same day. Hugo..godammit. Once Mons shows up it will be so wonderful here, I can't wait. I have been lloking for the scene where George Costanza becomes aroused by watching the male nurse sponge bath the other dude, when his mom is in the hospital...thats "muscles".....
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He's ana idiot...all of a sudden we get this asshat and SAMSON back on the same day. Hugo..godammit. Once Mons shows up it will be so wonderful here, I can't wait. I have been lloking for the scene where George Costanza becomes aroused by watching the male nurse sponge bath the other dude, when his mom is in the hospital...thats "muscles".....
Notice how The Luke and Mons have gone silent after getting humliated on numerous threads?
I destroyed The Luke on one thread and you nailed mons on others and now both are nowhere to be found.
Hysterical.
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We traded a Luke and a Mons for SAMSON and Muscles...fortunatly Hugo hates SAMSON...and if u let muscles rant long enough he melts down and spews some bizarre CT shit thats actually humorous.
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Latest update on Luke and his Bigfoot hunting expeditions
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Notice how The Luke and Mons have gone silent after getting humliated on numerous threads?
I destroyed The Luke on one thread and you nailed mons on others and now both are nowhere to be found.
Hysterical.
Not quite!! Luke is busy making silly Biblical claims that he can't back on the Religion forum.
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Was McMannus in the military?
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Latest update on Luke and his Bigfoot hunting expaditions
Notice how he and mons went running for the hills after we smacked them down?
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Well you have to atleast be familiar with the subject matter you are debating, if some mick thinks he is going to come in here and tell me what the constitution of the US means, he better think again.
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Well you have to atleast be familiar with the subject matter you are debating, if some mick thinks he is going to come in here and tell me what the constitution of the US means, he better think again.
Ha ha. The Luke got destroyed in our two threads. That fool is convinced of his own genius while all he spouts is the usual left wing drivel.
He sounds like a domestic version of TA.
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This thread is hilarious...
Three pages and the guys who DISAGREE with me, can't agree among themselves on a single war America has conclusively won.
Come to some consensus on what you want me to address and I'll post further... I'm not interested in answering hundreds of posts individually.
The Luke
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This thread is hilarious...
Three pages and the guys who DISAGREE with me, can't agree among themselves on a single war America has conclusively won.
Come to some consensus on what you want me to address and I'll post further... I'm not interested in answering hundreds of posts individually.
The Luke
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZD1Ac9egSIQ/SbWBT3jMR3I/AAAAAAAAACg/DxTc6dR9ITE/s400/tell_irishman.jpg)
Now go crawl back under the blarney stone asshat
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Since historically there are very few major wars won without help since 1776...I'll list all the ones the US was invloved in...and I'm not splitting hairs..I'll wait for the Luke to do that.
American Revolution...we won
War of 1812...we won
Mexican/American war..we won
Philippine Insurrection...we won
Spanish American war...we won
WW1...winning side
WW 2...winning side
Korea...armistace
Invasion of the Dominican...we won (big deal)
Vietnam....we lost
Lebanon...we pulled out
Grenada...we won
Panama...singled handedly won by Mons Venus...we won
Desert Storm...we friggen crushed the Iraqis'
Bosnia..Peace Keeping
Kosovo...who cares...we're still there
Afghanistan...inconclusi ve
Iraq...winning
COLD WAR...our enemy no longer exists..u tell me.
Ok Luke
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headhuntersix,
Let's wait a while and see if the majority of those reading/posting agree with your list.
The Luke
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Sure..take into account that I was a History major...specifically military history and even more specifically British and French colonial warfare from the mid 1800's on. That list does not take into account allies, politics, realities etc...take Vietnam...we didn't loose militarily but we're not there...and the South fell. I understand most of the issues surrounding many of these wars, actions or incidents. This list is not all inclusive, I didn't mention Somalia or our major and continued involvment in Latin America during the 1980's. We pulled out of Somalia and we did more the advise in Latin America.
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headhuntersix,
Let's wait a while and see if the majority of those reading/posting agree with your list.
The Luke
(http://squatlobster.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/leprechaun.jpg)
Don't go away mad, just go away
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This thread is hilarious...
Three pages and the guys who DISAGREE with me, can't agree among themselves on a single war America has conclusively won.
Come to some consensus on what you want me to address and I'll post further... I'm not interested in answering hundreds of posts individually.
The Luke
You made the claim, you told Tony to call you out in a seperate thread, now YOU can back it up.
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This thread is hilarious...
Three pages and the guys who DISAGREE with me, can't agree among themselves on a single war America has conclusively won.
Come to some consensus on what you want me to address and I'll post further... I'm not interested in answering hundreds of posts individually.
The Luke
Why? So you can take another two-week workout, after making some silly statement you know you can't back?
You said the USA has never won a single war; HH6 just posted at least a half-dozen wins.
Furthermore, there's little disagreement here. Since you made the crackpot claim that the USA has never won a single war, that simply means, boy genius, all it takes is ONE U.S. victory to squash your claim flat.
Now, it's on you, to back your statement with facts and references (something I know firsthand you have the darndest of difficulty doing). As the saying goes, "PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!"
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No no...I really want to hear his rational for this.....an Irishman commenting on the United States military record. Luke we've beaten to the death the "who won ww2" argument. I don't know what else u can say.
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You made the claim, you told Tony to call you out in a seperate thread, now YOU can back it up.
The thing with Luke is that he mistakes his ability to write in flowery language with actual intelligence and factual understanding of diverse topics.
His posts demonstrate a horrific lack of understanding of almost every topic that is discussed here.
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The thing with Luke is that he mistakes his ability to write in flowery language with actual intelligence and factual understanding of diverse topics.
His posts demonstrate a horrific lack of understanding of almost every topic that is discussed here.
.....and elsewhere!!
;D
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Luke u realize that if u don't come back here and defend ur statement, retract it or otherwise defend it, we're not even remotely gonna let u off the hook. Mons can't post shit here without 40 million requests for unit or business info.
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hahahah its true
he asked me to start this thread and now wont defend his statement.... :D
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Luke u realize that if u don't come back here and defend ur statement, retract it or otherwise defend it, we're not even remotely gonna let u off the hook. Mons can't post shit here without 40 million requests for unit or business info.
Luke is just another self-labeled "intellectual" who hates America. When pressed, he cant back up anything he says and resorts to flowery rubbish with no factual or significant meaning whatsoever.
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Luke is just another self-labeled "intellectual" who hates America. When pressed, he cant back up anything he says and resorts to flowery rubbish with no factual or significant meaning whatsoever.
luke and True adonis can start a club sounds like they have alot in common
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You said the USA has never won a single war; HH6 just posted at least a half-dozen wins.
...I said: "has never really won a war."
Dishonest paraphrasing is a form of misquote.
Luke u realize that if u don't come back here and defend ur statement, retract it or otherwise defend it, we're not even remotely gonna let u off the hook. Mons can't post shit here without 40 million requests for unit or business info.
...yeah, I noticed that. Seems very childish to me.
I think I'll have to wait for all the ad hominem attacks to die down before I make my case... no point making a reasoned cogent argument to people who are frothing at the mouth, loading their gun and posting by banging a Bible against a keyboard.
Might even have to start another thread... this one could be retitled: "Someone said something sounds kinda French!"
The Luke
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OK...we're good..everybody shut-up this is to good to pass up. Luke picture all of us good wholesome red blooded Americans with our hands on the nuke button waiting for the go signal. Answer the question......
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...I said: "has never really won a war."
Dishonest paraphrasing is a form of misquote.
...yeah, I noticed that. Seems very childish to me.
I think I'll have to wait for all the ad hominem attacks to die down before I make my case... no point making a reasoned cogent argument to people who are frothing at the mouth, loading their gun and posting by banging a Bible against a keyboard.
Might even have to start another thread... this one could be retitled: "Someone said something sounds kinda French!"
The Luke
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...I said: "has never really won a war."
Dishonest paraphrasing is a form of misquote.
Define "really"!!
Of course, I knew you would resort to saying something silly like that.
You either win a war or you don't, pure and simple. The USA fought in WW2; it was one of the prinicipal players. The USA won, pure and simple.
So, quit the clucking and ducking and make your pitiful case as to how it didn't "really" win.
...yeah, I noticed that. Seems very childish to me.
I think I'll have to wait for all the ad hominem attacks to die down before I make my case... no point making a reasoned cogent argument to people who are frothing at the mouth, loading their gun and posting by banging a Bible against a keyboard.
Might even have to start another thread... this one could be retitled: "Someone said something sounds kinda French!"
The Luke
What'd I tell you, folks......another lame excuse as to why he can't back his smack.
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...I said: "has never really won a war."
Dishonest paraphrasing is a form of misquote.
...yeah, I noticed that. Seems very childish to me.
I think I'll have to wait for all the ad hominem attacks to die down before I make my case... no point making a reasoned cogent argument to people who are frothing at the mouth, loading their gun and posting by banging a Bible against a keyboard.
Might even have to start another thread... this one could be retitled: "Someone said something sounds kinda French!"
The Luke
Luke: you are a joke. Seriously, this is the lamest attempt at CYA I have ever seen on Getbig.
Now that the your garbage has been exposed by all the posters here, your answer to everyone who pointed out your lies is that you set up your own subjective definition of the term "really" so that only you yourself get to be the judge of whether or not America won a war?
Give me a break! Even Mons, Blacken, Benny, Lurker, et al are better than that.
Luke - you are done, leave now.
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OK...we're good..everybody shut-up this is to good to pass up. Luke picture all of us good wholesome red blooded Americans with our hands on the nuke button waiting for the go signal. Answer the question......
...three more ad hominem attacks over the next eight minutes.
Let's let the kids calm down first... maybe you could recruit an impartial poster (or posters) upon whom we can both agree to decide if my argument has any validity?
No point in having me explain myself in a "Who hates Luke?" thread? This hate-fest has attracted every fool I've ever introduced to a fact during the past year.
The Luke
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Answer the goddam question....or surrender and leave.
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...three more ad hominem attacks over the next eight minutes.
Let's let the kids calm down first... maybe you could recruit an impartial poster (or posters) upon whom we can both agree to decide if my argument has any validity?
No point in having me explain myself in a "Who hates Luke?" thread? This hate-fest has attracted every fool I've ever introduced to a fact during the past year.
The Luke
Cry me a river, why don't you?
I've been attacked by on this forum and others by several posters......INCLUDING YOU!!!
Yet, that doesn't stop me from backing up my statements. It appears you have a little too much in common with Attis.
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...three more ad hominem attacks over the next eight minutes.
Let's let the kids calm down first... maybe you could recruit an impartial poster (or posters) upon whom we can both agree to decide if my argument has any validity?
No point in having me explain myself in a "Who hates Luke?" thread? This hate-fest has attracted every fool I've ever introduced to a fact during the past year.
The Luke
Gobshite
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Luke if we need to alter the question then do it...if I need to alter my answer then i'll do it...otherwise stop acting like a little bitch and answer the question..or stop posting all together. Take this as a prime example of why the US doesn't loose, we don't run like gurls....ok Obama does but most of us don't.
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...like I said:
This hate-fest has attracted every fool I've ever introduced to a fact during the past year.
Let's all simmer down, you'd think I was a an illegal Mexican Muslim immigrant trying to steal your guns and bibles while offering you all socialised healthcare.
I'll check back in tomorrow... maybe we can get an independent arbiter and have a proper discussion.
The Luke
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...three more ad hominem attacks...
Let's let the kids calm down first...
...every fool I've ever introduced to a fact during the past year.
Seems very childish to me.
this is the argument of a child
... but mostly just how dumb and deluded most Americans are
The Luke
Yeah Luke, I'm starting to see a pattern with the ad hom attacks...
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...like I said:
Let's all simmer down, you'd think I was a an illegal Mexican Muslim immigrant trying to steal your guns and bibles while offering you all socialised healthcare.
I'll check back in tomorrow... maybe we can get an independent arbiter and have a proper discussion.
The Luke
why dont you just answer the question if your theory has merit it will be acknowledged even if disagreed with...right now seems like you know you fucked up and just dont want to put yourself out there anymore.
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...like I said:
Let's all simmer down, you'd think I was a an illegal Mexican Muslim immigrant trying to steal your guns and bibles while offering you all socialised healthcare.
I'll check back in tomorrow... maybe we can get an independent arbiter and have a proper discussion.
The Luke
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Translation:
"I got owned again by a bunch of right wing fanatics and have no answer for these rednecks."
Luke: its getting boring owning you on a daily basis. Take a few months off, brush up on your history, and maybe you will be able to debate some of the big boys around here.
Till then, keep your bollocks to yourself.
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Everytime I think we're doomed u boys restore my faith....... ;D
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Everytime I think we're doomed u boys restore my faith....... ;D
HH6 - the cavalry is always here for you bro!
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...like I said:
Let's all simmer down, you'd think I was a an illegal Mexican Muslim immigrant trying to steal your guns and bibles while offering you all socialised healthcare.
I'll check back in tomorrow... maybe we can get an independent arbiter and have a proper discussion.
The Luke
Whatever Mr. Potato Head
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Enough of this bullshit. If he's too cowardly to make an argument, I'll make it for him.
Luke: Anytime the US has had any help whatsoever, then "I" define that as they clearly have not "REALLY" won a war.
This is the only reasonable, rational, logical, cogent, conclusion that any intellectual could possibly discern from looking at the historical evidence with complete objectivity.
Your disagreements will be moronic, idiotic, unfounded, and dumb. They are nothing more that Fox News talking points and regurgitated garbage spewed from the mouths of uneducated, ignorant conservative morons.
I know that some of you uninformed, destitute, and pitiable American miscreants will disagree. But, please, save the ad hominem attacks.
The Luke
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LUKE u are a douchbag...u should try and be more like Skip8282...he is ur intellectual superior. He owns u in everyway.
There u got a standard reply...I'm glad we have to make this thread for him.
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LUKE u are a douchbag...u should try and be more like Skip8282...he is ur intellectual superior. He owns u in everyway.
There u got a standard reply...I'm glad we have to make this thread for him.
HH6 - in addition to this owning - i just posted a thread about it being confirmed that Bill Ayeres wrote Dreams of My Fathers.
Remember the arguments we have around here over that with the obama fans? He was just a man in the hood . . .. YEAH RIGHT!
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I saw and responded...what does Barry have to do exactly to prove he's a wack job idealogue...and u guys worried about Bush. ::)
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I saw and responded...what does Barry have to do exactly to prove he's a wack job idealogue...and u guys worried about Bush. ::)
The Luke took off quick from this thread no????
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Luke: Anytime the US has had any help whatsoever, then "I" define that as they clearly have not "REALLY" won a war.
This is the only reasonable, rational, logical, cogent, conclusion that any intellectual could possibly discern from looking at the historical evidence with complete objectivity.
Your disagreements will be moronic, idiotic, unfounded, and dumb. They are nothing more that Fox News talking points and regurgitated garbage spewed from the mouths of uneducated, ignorant conservative morons.
I know that some of you uninformed, destitute, and pitiable American miscreants will disagree. But, please, save the ad hominem attacks.
The Luke
...this made me laugh out loud. It's like a computer average of my posts on this board. Good stuff.
The Luke
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why dont you just answer the question if your theory has merit it will be acknowledged even if disagreed with...right now seems like you know you fucked up and just dont want to put yourself out there anymore.
LOL present your arguement luke
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...this made me laugh out loud. It's like a computer average of my posts on this board. Good stuff.
The Luke
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...this made me laugh out loud. It's like a computer average of my posts on this board. Good stuff.
The Luke
Still nothing, eh? Now I think you're just trying to get in The Last Word. I'll never be drawn into such silliness...
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LOL present your arguement luke
...you guys could do that for me... if you had enough integrity to follow the facts, you'd probably come to MY conclusion.
Let's test it out... seeing as this is your thread tonymctones, and you seem less hysterical and slightly more open minded than the brainwashed Palin-voters here, I'll give you the instructions:
1 Make a list of every confict in which the United States has actually made a formal "Declaration of War".
I'll give you another hint when you get this... the info shouldn't be hard to find, wikipedia might have it.
I'd prefer if you found it yourself, that way I'm not subject to inane Hectoring for sources. I'm not being lazy, I'm hoping to ease this thread's readers into a conclusion that their programmed thinking reflexively rejects without proper consideration... easy does it, step by step.
The Luke
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...you guys could do that for me... if you had enough integrity to follow the facts, you'd probably come to MY conclusion.
Let's test it out... seeing as this is your thread tonymctones, and you seem less hysterical and slightly more open minded than the brainwashed Palin-voters here, I'll give you the instructions:
1 Make a list of every confict in which the United States has actually made a formal "Declaration of War".
I'll give you another hint when you get this... the info shouldn't be hard to find, wikipedia might have it.
I'd prefer if you found it yourself, that way I'm not subject to inane Hectoring for sources. I'm not being lazy, I'm hoping to ease this thread's readers into a conclusion that their programmed thinking reflexively rejects without proper consideration... easy does it, step by step.
The Luke
(http://robertbonnett.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/no-bullshit.jpg)
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...you guys could do that for me... if you had enough integrity to follow the facts, you'd probably come to MY conclusion.
Let's test it out... seeing as this is your thread tonymctones, and you seem less hysterical and slightly more open minded than the brainwashed Palin-voters here, I'll give you the instructions:
1 Make a list of every confict in which the United States has actually made a formal "Declaration of War".
I'll give you another hint when you get this... the info shouldn't be hard to find, wikipedia might have it.
I'd prefer if you found it yourself, that way I'm not subject to inane Hectoring for sources. I'm not being lazy, I'm hoping to ease this thread's readers into a conclusion that their programmed thinking reflexively rejects without proper consideration... easy does it, step by step.
The Luke
you aint giving me a task numb nut you asked me to make this thread jack ass and I did thats enough on my part
Now that i did create it you back pedal?
now ill grant you debating myself would eliminate your ignorance but again YOU WANTED ME TO MAKE THIS THREAD
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...you guys could do that for me... if you had enough integrity to follow the facts, you'd probably come to MY conclusion.
Let's test it out... seeing as this is your thread tonymctones, and you seem less hysterical and slightly more open minded than the brainwashed Palin-voters here, I'll give you the instructions:
1 Make a list of every confict in which the United States has actually made a formal "Declaration of War".
I'll give you another hint when you get this... the info shouldn't be hard to find, wikipedia might have it.
I'd prefer if you found it yourself, that way I'm not subject to inane Hectoring for sources. I'm not being lazy, I'm hoping to ease this thread's readers into a conclusion that their programmed thinking reflexively rejects without proper consideration... easy does it, step by step.
The Luke
Semantics? That's the best argument you've got? No wonder you're cowering from this thread.
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Damn Luke, perhaps this will help you understand why you're a simpleton...
One of my presumed arguments that you would make:
This is the only reasonable, rational, logical, cogent, conclusion that any intellectual could possibly discern from looking at the historical evidence with complete objectivity.
And the argument that you did make:
...you guys could do that for me... if you had enough integrity to follow the facts, you'd probably come to MY conclusion.
The Luke
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you aint giving me a task numb nut you asked me to make this thread jack ass and I did thats enough on my part
...if I quote a list, any list, it will be attacked.
Why don't one of you guys do it?
Happy to type insults all day log, but hesitate to type a few words into Google?
Worried you might learn something that unsettles you?
The Luke
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...if I quote a list, any list, it will be attacked.
Why don't one of you guys do it?
Happy to type insults all day log, but hesitate to type a few words into Google?
Worried you might learn something that unsettles you?
The Luke
(http://weblog.timoregan.com/uploaded_images/stupid-cloak-749514.jpg)
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...if I quote a list, any list, it will be attacked.
Why don't one of you guys do it?
Happy to type insults all day log, but hesitate to type a few words into Google?
Worried you might learn something that unsettles you?
The Luke
HH6 already posted a list.
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HH6 already posted a list.
...is it a list of wars? Are there official Declarations of War for everything on that list?
Some of those are civil wars in other countries to which America sent peace-keeping troops... how is that a war America won?
Why are you guys so reluctant to make a list of conflicts for which there are official Declarations of War?
The Luke
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...if I quote a list, any list, it will be attacked.
Why don't one of you guys do it?
Happy to type insults all day log, but hesitate to type a few words into Google?
Worried you might learn something that unsettles you?
The Luke
why dont you just lay out your arguement?
afraid you might get shown for the idiot you really are?
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why dont you just lay out your arguement?
..is anyone listening to argments in this thread?
Or did a bunch a flag-wavers over-react to a reasonable comment?
If you don't want to discuss it or aren't interested in my opinion that's fine by me... I'm already known as an amateur monster hunter... being labeled "French" by the ignorant fringe right on GetBig doesn't hold any fear.
The Luke
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i can see you will back pedal at every turn unless called out
so lets just say WW1 and ill provide you with another if you prove your point like...
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..is anyone listening to argments in this thread?
Or did a bunch a flag-wavers over-react to a reasonable comment?
If you don't want to discuss it or aren't interested in my opinion that's fine by me... I'm already known as an amateur monster hunter... being labeled "French" by the ignorant fringe right on GetBig doesn't hold any fear.
The Luke
im interested thats why ive requested you state your opinion and reasoning 3 times now
why do you keep changing the subject?
state your theory...
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...is it a list of wars? Are there official Declarations of War for everything on that list?
Some of those are civil wars in other countries to which America sent peace-keeping troops... how is that a war America won?
Why are you guys so reluctant to make a list of conflicts for which there are official Declarations of War?
The Luke
Why are you so reluctant? YOU made the comment. YOU told Tony to call you out on it in a separate thread. And YOU are the one cowering.
Again with the semantics? The Constitution does not use the words, "Declaration of War". It only states that, "The congress shall have power...To declare war". That does not mean that anytime congress drafts a measure authorizing the use of the military that it has to specifically use the words, "Declaration of War". This discussion is OLD...
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i can see you will back pedal at every turn unless called out
so lets just say WW1 and ill provide you with another if you prove your point like...
bump luke
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bump luke
Bump for Luke and Hugo who seem to support his little Obamabot buddy.
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Bump for Luke and Hugo who seem to support his little Obamabot buddy.
are u fucking mentally ill or what?
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Fucking morons on this board I tell you!
America nukes China, America runs out of toothpicks, toilet rolls, auto parts, EVERYTHING.
The US couldn't even win a trade war against China, the Chinese could survive a withdrawal of american trade overnight. They'd drive internal demand for their products... it's not like the US could tool up to meet a Chinese void in 2 weeks is it ??
The American empire is dead, don't mistake it's lifeless spasms as Military Infallibility
Any reasonably sized country sitting on $'s (Japan, Germany, France, Russia, Brazil etc) could collapse the US tomorrow by instantly dumping their dollar holdings in one day... no shots fired.
All this talk of total defeat in the form of 100% destruction of the oppenent flys in the face of the real underlying reasons for war.... economic ones.... there has to be markets to exploit and people to indebt after the bombs stop falling or else there is no point in starting a war.
Until you understand that bankers/corporations start wars and all the bull# about humanitarian, removing dictators and 1001 other bogus reasons is crap then you shouldn't even be allowed access to the internet! Seriously, the Star Spangled Jihaists who gloat about military supremacy on paper
need to lay down the crack pipe and look at the two unfloding disasters in Iraq and Afgahnistan. After decades of sanctions and starvation of the populations you still can't win. Public opinion is against you even with minimal losses and drones blowing up innocent Afghans at weddings each week, remote killing
The US military couldn't tackle a Happymeal and finish it, politics and all your other excuses aside.
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are u fucking mentally ill or what?
Why are you so bitter? Stop hating yourself and everything American, it's really sad.
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..is anyone listening to argments in this thread?
Or did a bunch a flag-wavers over-react to a reasonable comment?
If you don't want to discuss it or aren't interested in my opinion that's fine by me... I'm already known as an amateur monster hunter... being labeled "French" by the ignorant fringe right on GetBig doesn't hold any fear.
The Luke
Since you like to play word games in an attempt to mask your tragic lack of education, experience, common sense, and context, why dont you tell us what war you think the we Americans think we "won" but that you feel we "really" did not win?
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Why are you so bitter? Stop hating yourself and everything American, it's really sad.
Go away you fucking troll, go away until you have a better grasp of English. I'm not going to listen to some shitbag israeli tell me I hate America. We already have enough of your stupid worthless shitty opinions over here.
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Go away you fucking troll, go away until you have a better grasp of English. I'm not going to listen to some shitbag israeli tell me I hate America. We already have enough of your stupid worthless shitty opinions over here.
HAHAH NO WAY! Is it true? IFBBWannaB is a fucking Zionist piece of shit? Wow this is better than Pumpsters fucking outing!
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HAHAH NO WAY! Is it true? IFBBWannaB is a fucking Zionist piece of shit? Wow this is better than Pumpsters fucking outing!
yea, you didn't know that ;D It's actually true.
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yea, you didn't know that ;D It's actually true.
I think we are all still waiting for Luke's brilliant commentary in support of his statements and claims.
I am not holding my breath however, he is a typical idiot who spouts whatever nonsense he is told.
When he is called out on it, he hides like a bitch.
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yea, you didn't know that ;D It's actually true.
Nice theories, did you got this theory from the 9/11 CT page you visit so daily?
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yea, you didn't know that ;D It's actually true.
Nah I thought he was some wigger college kid living on mommy and daddy.
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Nah I thought he was some wigger college kid living on mommy and daddy.
maybe both are true. I only know that he's from Israel and his first language isn't English.
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The US military couldn't tackle a Happymeal and finish it, politics and all your other excuses aside.
Hey bed pan boy...go enlist and then u can talk shit about the US military...u are worthless. U can't back a single thing in ur rant. Go back to ur sad little do nothing life and be happy that I allow u to spongebath dudes all day long, with the safety I provide u.
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Nice theories, did you got this theory from the 9/11 CT page you visit so daily?
get... did I get... What's your original language? Could you please just post using whatever language you were raised with. Nobody wants to read your shit anyway. All your posts come out like you're using a free translator online. It was funny for a while but it's getting old fast. You have no grasp of when someone is being sarcastic and understanding sarcasm is a major requirement for posting on getbig, unless you want to look a total douche, like you do.
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get... did I get... What's your original language? Could you please just post using whatever language you were raised with. Nobody wants to read your shit anyway. All your posts come out like you're using a free translator online. It was funny for a while but it's getting old fast. You have no grasp of when someone is being sarcastic and understanding sarcasm is a major requirement for posting on getbig, unless you want to look a total douche, like you do.
So you're backing down now? Where am I from now? ::)
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So you're backing down now? Where am I from now? ::)
yup, you must be using a free translator. Just stop you fucking douche. What's your native language you fucking douche? Are you one of those African Jews that went to israel to be experimented on?
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Fucking morons on this board I tell you!
America nukes China, America runs out of toothpicks, toilet rolls, auto parts, EVERYTHING.
The US couldn't even win a trade war against China, the Chinese could survive a withdrawal of american trade overnight. They'd drive internal demand for their products... it's not like the US could tool up to meet a Chinese void in 2 weeks is it ??
The American empire is dead, don't mistake it's lifeless spasms as Military Infallibility
Any reasonably sized country sitting on $'s (Japan, Germany, France, Russia, Brazil etc) could collapse the US tomorrow by instantly dumping their dollar holdings in one day... no shots fired.
All this talk of total defeat in the form of 100% destruction of the oppenent flys in the face of the real underlying reasons for war.... economic ones.... there has to be markets to exploit and people to indebt after the bombs stop falling or else there is no point in starting a war.
Until you understand that bankers/corporations start wars and all the bull# about humanitarian, removing dictators and 1001 other bogus reasons is crap then you shouldn't even be allowed access to the internet! Seriously, the Star Spangled Jihaists who gloat about military supremacy on paper
need to lay down the crack pipe and look at the two unfloding disasters in Iraq and Afgahnistan. After decades of sanctions and starvation of the populations you still can't win. Public opinion is against you even with minimal losses and drones blowing up innocent Afghans at weddings each week, remote killing
The US military couldn't tackle a Happymeal and finish it, politics and all your other excuses aside.
More clueless thinking, if you can call it that. America is a HUGE importer of goods from Japan, China etc. How would both those nations replace demand lost by cutting off trade or "dumping the dollar"? Have you a clue? Here is a hint, even if you add up the EU, M.E. and Russia...the Chinese/Japanese would still have a massive drop in demand. What would that do to their economies? Are you going to tell me that China would "spur" internal demand while they have a large % of their population unemployed and rely on massive fiscal stimulus and massaged numbers to give the illusion of "growth"? How do you suppose that a closed market such as Japan would deal with the U.S. not being able to import and buy their goods? Internal demand, from a nation that values savings and personal fiscal discipline? You speak of the U.S. tooling up to meet a void....that could be done, but could China survive if the U.S. was cut off from China's exports? Do you realize your one-way thinking is niave and shallow? Export markets, especially China and Japan, depend on the U.S. cheap credit and debt and consumption etc to pump up their export dominated economies. China is a sweatshop economy that relies on pumping out cheap goods while maintaining a brutal communist hold on the population to keep their serfs in line. Risking an economic implosion as a result of a trade war would spell the end of the Communist Party and China as we know it.
Get a fucking clue.
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Great stuff.....really good run down. To caveate the last bit...as China becomes more industrial and less rural/agricultural...more tied to the West, the more dangerous any slow down in their progression becomes. The Chinese people don't have a great idea about the West but they have some idea and if u have cities filled with unemployed or underemployed folks.....coupled with an inability to feed em...u have two choices ultimately, distract them with a war or face a revolution. Historically this can be seen in alot of places. The Chocoms are doing their best to keep the massives, fed, employed and happy...cutting of the economic fatguy, us...isn't going to help that situation. I've been told by more then one person, Russia has much more to fear from China then we do.
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yup, you must be using a free translator. Just stop you fucking douche. What's your native language you fucking douche? Are you one of those African Jews that went to israel to be experimented on?
How did you reach the conclusion that I'm an Israeli?
Was that done at the same magnificent day you decided to take the user name of a dictator and a murderer?
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More clueless thinking, if you can call it that. America is a HUGE importer of goods from Japan, China etc. How would both those nations replace demand lost by cutting off trade or "dumping the dollar"? Have you a clue? Here is a hint, even if you add up the EU, M.E. and Russia...the Chinese/Japanese would still have a massive drop in demand. What would that do to their economies? Are you going to tell me that China would "spur" internal demand while they have a large % of their population unemployed and rely on massive fiscal stimulus and massaged numbers to give the illusion of "growth"? How do you suppose that a closed market such as Japan would deal with the U.S. not being able to import and buy their goods? Internal demand, from a nation that values savings and personal fiscal discipline? You speak of the U.S. tooling up to meet a void....that could be done, but could China survive if the U.S. was cut off from China's exports? Do you realize your one-way thinking is niave and shallow? Export markets, especially China and Japan, depend on the U.S. cheap credit and debt and consumption etc to pump up their export dominated economies. China is a sweatshop economy that relies on pumping out cheap goods while maintaining a brutal communist hold on the population to keep their serfs in line. Risking an economic implosion as a result of a trade war would spell the end of the Communist Party and China as we know it.
Get a fucking clue.
You are a fucking moron. We are talking about a shit hits the fan scenario. LOL Idiot.
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Thats when u go screaming to the military "headhunter headhunter save me"......BANG!!!! "goddam negligent discharge...why yes GigantorX I will have a bud lite"
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Alright luke defend your statement
Lets start with the American revolution...
War of attrition, where the Brits lost more men than we did. Like Vietnam. Funny, what we did to the Brits, the viet kong did to us, America seems to never learn it's lesson.
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War of attrition, where the Brits lost more men than we did. Like Vietnam. Funny, what we did to the Brits, the viet kong did to us, America seems to never learn it's lesson.
Doesnt matter how we won only that we won...
SO LUKE GO AHEAD PRESENT YOUR ARGUEMENT....
or at least explain how the US didnt win WW1...
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Not exactly....
The lowest casualty estimates, based on the now-renounced North Vietnamese statements, are around 1.5 million Vietnamese killed. Vietnam released figures on April 3, 1995 that a total of one million Vietnamese combatants and four million civilians were killed in the war. The accuracy of these figures has generally not been challenged. 58,226 American soldiers also died in the war or are missing in action. Australia lost almost 500 of the 47,000 troops they had deployed to Vietnam and New Zealand lost 38 soldiers.
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Not exactly....
The lowest casualty estimates, based on the now-renounced North Vietnamese statements, are around 1.5 million Vietnamese killed. Vietnam released figures on April 3, 1995 that a total of one million Vietnamese combatants and four million civilians were killed in the war. The accuracy of these figures has generally not been challenged. 58,226 American soldiers also died in the war or are missing in action. Australia lost almost 500 of the 47,000 troops they had deployed to Vietnam and New Zealand lost 38 soldiers.
Vietnam War
Summary
Like any other war the Vietnam War had a lot of devastating effects after the war ended. It also had many causes that changed many things after this war. "The Vietnam War was fought between 1964 and 1975 on the ground in South Vietnam and bordering areas of Cambodia and Laos, and in bombing runs over North Vietnam."1.There were two opposing sides. On one side it "was a coalition of forces including the United States, the Republic of Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea." And on the other "was a coalition of forces including the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the National Liberation Front, a communist-led South Vietnamese guerrilla movement."1 The war started out when "Ho Chi Minh proclaimed it (Vietnam) independent of France."2 The French were obviously against that and "wanted to reestablish their rule in Vietnam but were beaten." 3It is said that the United States took part in this war because "The U.S. " had " to enter the war to stop the spread of Communism in Asia since North Vietnam was Communist."2 This war was the "longest war in which the United States took part of."5. The following are the estimates of the amount of people that died in Vietnam:
"The lowest casualty estimates, based on the now-renounced North Vietnamese statements, are around 1.5 million Vietnamese killed. Vietnam released figures on April 3, 1995 that a total of one million Vietnamese combatants and four million civilians were killed in the war. The accuracy of these figures has generally not been challenged. 58,226 American soldiers also died in the war or are missing in action. Australia lost almost 500 of the 47,000 troops they had deployed to Vietnam and New Zealand lost 38 soldiers."
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HH6 steals from term papers online !! Hahahahaaaa ;D
Fuucken loser.
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Vietnam War
Summary
Like any other war the Vietnam War had a lot of devastating effects after the war ended. It also had many causes that changed many things after this war. "The Vietnam War was fought between 1964 and 1975 on the ground in South Vietnam and bordering areas of Cambodia and Laos, and in bombing runs over North Vietnam."1.There were two opposing sides. On one side it "was a coalition of forces including the United States, the Republic of Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea." And on the other "was a coalition of forces including the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the National Liberation Front, a communist-led South Vietnamese guerrilla movement."1 The war started out when "Ho Chi Minh proclaimed it (Vietnam) independent of France."2 The French were obviously against that and "wanted to reestablish their rule in Vietnam but were beaten." 3It is said that the United States took part in this war because "The U.S. " had " to enter the war to stop the spread of Communism in Asia since North Vietnam was Communist."2 This war was the "longest war in which the United States took part of."5. The following are the estimates of the amount of people that died in Vietnam:
"The lowest casualty estimates, based on the now-renounced North Vietnamese statements, are around 1.5 million Vietnamese killed. Vietnam released figures on April 3, 1995 that a total of one million Vietnamese combatants and four million civilians were killed in the war. The accuracy of these figures has generally not been challenged. 58,226 American soldiers also died in the war or are missing in action. Australia lost almost 500 of the 47,000 troops they had deployed to Vietnam and New Zealand lost 38 soldiers."
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HH6 steals from term papers online !! Hahahahaaaa ;D
Fuucken loser.
A fake vet calling some one a looser, now there is some irony
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HH6 steals from term papers online !! Hahahahaaaa ;D
Fuucken loser.
You've been here longer than I have, and even I am familiar enough with HH6's prose and writing style to know he was quoting somebody else.
Now, let's have something substantive...UNIT, COMPANY, BATTALION, DD214, BUSINESS WEBSITE? Justification for your pathetic existence?
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Hey guys...
Been unexpectedly busy (suddenly had to replace the drive shaft in my 29 year-old shit mobile; thought I could get the universal joint refurbished but the spline was worn out too... whole new piece, and then I had to fit it without a ramp; squeezing it behind a welded catch plate... awkward; awkward; awkward), apologies.
I haven't had a chance to read the new pages, but scanning through I notice the tide has started to turn.
Seeing as it's not just me versus "Team America: World Police" anymore... I'll post more when I get home tomorrow.
It's 2:23 AM here, so I'll have to hit the hay.
The Luke
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Thats when u go screaming to the military "headhunter headhunter save me"......BANG!!!! "goddam negligent discharge...why yes GigantorX I will have a bud lite"
ND = 45 days extra duty
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Hey guys...
Been unexpectedly busy (suddenly had to replace the drive shaft in my 29 year-old shit mobile; thought I could get the universal joint refurbished but the spline was worn out too... whole new piece, and then I had to fit it without a ramp; squeezing it behind a welded catch plate... awkward; awkward; awkward), apologies.
I haven't had a chance to read the new pages, but scanning through I notice the tide has started to turn.
Seeing as it's not just me versus "Team America: World Police" anymore... I'll post more when I get home tomorrow.
It's 2:23 AM here, so I'll have to hit the hay.
The Luke
What did I tell you, folks!!! YET ANOTHER pitiful excuse as to why Luke won't face the music and back the buffoonery that oozes from his posts.
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Hey guys...
Been unexpectedly busy (suddenly had to replace the drive shaft in my 29 year-old shit mobile; thought I could get the universal joint refurbished but the spline was worn out too... whole new piece, and then I had to fit it without a ramp; squeezing it behind a welded catch plate... awkward; awkward; awkward), apologies.
I haven't had a chance to read the new pages, but scanning through I notice the tide has started to turn.
Seeing as it's not just me versus "Team America: World Police" anymore... I'll post more when I get home tomorrow.
It's 2:23 AM here, so I'll have to hit the hay.
The Luke
Wrong again
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You are a fucking moron. We are talking about a shit hits the fan scenario. LOL Idiot.
::)
A "shit hits the fan" scenario where a nation that depends on another nation to buy its goods suddenly cuts off trade or dislocates from the importing nations currency, thus destroying its economy? Thereby destroying its own economy?
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Hey guys...
Been unexpectedly busy (suddenly had to replace the drive shaft in my 29 year-old shit mobile; thought I could get the universal joint refurbished but the spline was worn out too... whole new piece, and then I had to fit it without a ramp; squeezing it behind a welded catch plate... awkward; awkward; awkward), apologies.
I haven't had a chance to read the new pages, but scanning through I notice the tide has started to turn.
Seeing as it's not just me versus "Team America: World Police" anymore... I'll post more when I get home tomorrow.
It's 2:23 AM here, so I'll have to hit the hay.
The Luke
LOL look forward to it brain child start with WW1 and how we didnt win that.... ;)
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Wars are never really won or lost.
What we do lose, "waste" comes to mind as a better term, is lots of human lives.
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Wars are never really won or lost.
What we do lose, "waste" comes to mind as a better term, is lots of human lives.
we "win" things as well slapper like the lives saved by going to war...you think hitler would have been lenient on our jews or our blacks etc? LOL dont fool yourself
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we "win" things as well slapper like the lives saved by going to war...you think hitler would have been lenient on our jews or our blacks etc? LOL dont fool yourself
Like I said, wars are never won or lost, they are just fought.
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Thats why the nutjobs love libs....capitulate to cooperate.
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Slapper I can see you are still losing your personal "war" with homosexuality, genital warts and chronic joblessness.
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Like I said, wars are never won or lost, they are just fought.
you always lose shit jack ass thats called oppurtunity cost...
if you win a baseball game you technically lost other shit you could have been doing with that time it took to win that doesnt mean you didnt win a baseball game.
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Okay, okay...
I've been checking in on this thread every once in a while out of a sense of morbid curiosity... I'm just lugubriously fascinated with the reaction a simple expression of opinion can evoke. It's still surprising to me just how much self-worth patriotic people transfer to the perception of their country.
But now that I'm finished fixing my old clapped out banger... I can get down to the business of explaining exactly why I don't think America has "never really won a war". Thankfully some more independently minded posters have now joined this thread so it won't just be me against "Team America: World Police".
So I'll simply put forward my case and let you guys discuss the merits...
No need to respond... more posts coming.
The Luke
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Why America has Never Really Won a War.
In order to avoid confusion, the first thing we must do is define our terms and frame of reference.
Ever since it's inception, America has been unique among warlike nations for being curiously reluctant to commit itself to OPEN warfare. While eager to engage in military conflicts; whether as an invited or uninvited participant; instigator or aggrieved victim of foreign aggression... neither the United States nor it's military could ever be accused of being war-shy or even prudently cautious regarding military engagement.
Hence America's histrory is replete with military escalations that routinely snowball small-scale entanglements in foreign skirmishes into major conflicts later retrospectively termed wars.
Hence "support" in the forms of troops becomes the Vietnam "War", only years later.
Military "action" to enforce a UN sanction becomes the Iraq "War" (later)...only years later etc etc.
So our terms of reference are blurred... does "war" as it relates to my contention include the vaguaries of so-called economic warfare? ...what about America's announced yet unending wars against poverty; drugs; terrorism?
What of America's role in the various Balkans conflicts...? A conflict in which America neither chose sides nor announced any particular military or political objectives, yet liberally applied military force hoping to alter the course of what was essentially an internal religious/civil war? Can you win a "war" without being on the winning side...? ...without there ever being a winning side?
Obviously we must limit ourselves to actually, proper, real wars to avoid pedanticly spiralling off topic at every turn.
For the sake of this argument I'm going to define a "war" as an existential conflict between nations, wherein the United States committed to achieving declared objectives.
So the question is properly defined and clarified as whether or not the United States has ever REALLY won an existential conflict with another nation achieving its declared objectives?
Has the United States EVER really achieved its objectives in an open declared existential conflict with another nation?
I don't think it has... and I'm going to explain why.
The Luke
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As I explained, being historically reluctant to engage in open warfare, the United states has only ever participated in a handful of declared wars with stated objectives.
Those FIVE conflicts for which the United States made a FORMAL declaration of war are:
1- 1812 The Anglo American War ...war formally declared on the United Kingdom
2- 1846 The Mexican American War ...war formally declared on Mexico
3- 1898 The Spanish American War ...war formally declared on Spain
4- 1917 World War One ...war formally declared on Germany and Austro-Hungary
5- 1941 World War Two ...war formally declared on Japan and Germany (& annexed Austria)
(and various allies: Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania)
I'll address each of these in turn, explaining why I believe the United States failed to achieve its declared (existential) objectives in each instance (sometimes despite convincing military victories).
The Luke
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Rarely do I ever encounter an individual on the internet that is representative of a few of the pompous douchebag, imaginary quasi intellectuals that I encountered in college and graduate school.
The fact that you are using those five wars as examples of how America has never won a war demonstrates irrefutably that you either (a) Have a very vivid imagination, (b) Are really not too smart and just like to pontificate on a bodybuilding message board that happens to have a politics section, (c) Have way too much time on your hands and probably have no job, friends, or any attention from the opposite sex [ or as is more likely in your case the same sex], OR (d) A, B, and C
My gut tells me the answer is (d).
I have my own theory for you to ponder. It's a lot more likely to be true than your hypothesis on the success of the American military... Here it is= "The Luke" has never actually had sex with another human being and is the incestuous child of a Ferret and a wheelchair bound Irish Hooker with wooden teeth.
Evidence and documentation to follow-- Stay Tuned.
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I will second the motion for answer: (d)!
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Dear worthless Euro...prepare to be lit up on an epic scale. If fact here it is in an nutshell....the collective balls of Europe were dashed on the Somme and the Western Front and u idiots managed to roll on the carnage train for a few more years with a last gasp at Dien bien phu. We Americans have been forced to clean up after every mess u idiots made...exhibit one ..The Middle East. U speak of Bosnia..we went in there kicking and screaming, nobody here, especially the US military wanted any part of that mess...that was ur problm. We spent enough cash ensuring the Russians didn't come pouring over the Fulda gap. Europe begged us to get invloved. I could care less if a billion muslims died...no go juice no US blood for u. I have no idea why we're still there. We are the greatest military to ever exist..we're held back only by ethics and the short sighted Western way of war which seeks to mitigate collateral damage whenever it can. The Russians tried our way of war in Chechnya during the first battle of Grosni..it didn't work out so well for them either. U will loose this ridiclously framed argument. I've served in Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan..I'm going back again shortly. I have been in the US military in one form or another since I was 17 years of age. I served with most of our allies and been to almost all the NATO countries on various operations. This is what I do. There are guys here who love this shit from a historiacl point of view and couldn't wait to see what ridiculous arguement u were prepared to make...its taken u 3 days. There are very few here who u seem to think will see things ur way, capable of a rational argument on this subject. This will devolve into the usual Getbig "ownathon" and considering ur weak argument, its defense and current prissy attempt at a comeback, its warranted.
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1- 1812 The Anglo American War ...war formally declared on the United Kingdom
While there are numerous contributing factors involved in the escalation of tensions between the newly minted democratic republic of the United States and Great Britiain in the lead up the 1812 Anglo American War:
-effective embargo of free trade between America and France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_in_Council_(1807)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embargo_Act_of_1807
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Intercourse_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macon%27s_Bill_Number_2
-forced conscription of American citizens by British forces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_1756 ...as it related to "impressment" (conscription)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe-Pinkney_Treaty ...failure to solve impressment diplomatically
-British military support for the Native American resistence of US expansion/land-grabs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecumseh%27s_War ...and claims of a possible independent "Indian State"
-the various political/propaganda machinations utilised to manipulate public opinion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_letters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Hawk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Belt_Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesapeake-Leopard_Affair ...changing public perception of impressment
...I don't want to go into every single detail here as I hope we can at least reach the basic level of discourse in which consensus history is stipulated by both sides.
I'm only hoping to defend my opinion that America didn't really win this war.
In my opinion, (and I'm open to debate regarding this conclusion), this war is little more than a final settling of the American Revolution of 1775.
I'm somewhat of a long-cycle type thinker when it comes to history... I prefer a holistic view of historical events; not dates and numbers, legislation and politicans... but the trends and cycles which provide the underlying reality of these events... the true cause and effect seldom elucidated by history's blind chronology.
For example, I don't see the current Iraq War in the context of American military intervention prompted by enforcement of a UN mandate... not when Iraq breached 16 UN mandates; and a US supported Israel has to date breached more than 80 such mandates with impunity.
I'm a realist, I see the Iraq War as an oil war, pure and simple... an effort by the US to maintain dollar hegemony by seizing direct control of an oil asset previously entrusted to an American puppet regeime.
Similarly, I see the 1812-1815 Anglo American War in terms of warring power structures... the newly established Freemasonic constitutional American/French-Napoleonic system versus the aristocratic banking-controlled neo-feudal system of Great Britain... a New-World egalitarian enlightenment (America supported ideologically by post-aristocracy France) versus a Medieval feudal hierarchy administered by banking interests (the Bristish Empire).
Simply put, this war was an extension of the American Revolution... and the American Revolution was essentially fought to free the United States from the British Central Banking System.
So did America, with this win against British Central Banking in the international arena, and the domestic win against the Bristish Central Banking System constituting the American Revolution, really win out over the British Central Banking System?
Yes, America won the battle against the banking establishment (British Central Banking System) seizure of the American economy with the American Revolution.
Yes, America also won the battle against the banking establishment (British Central Banking System) for international hegemony with the Anglo American War.
But did the British Central Banking System (the real power behind the throne and parliament of Britain) really win the war?
I maintain that it did.
The closest America came to actually winning this two stage revolution (American Revolution 1775 and Anglo American War 1812) was the election of Andrew Jackson in 1829, who ran on the explicit platform of eliminating America's own Central Bank (the Second National Bank) which constituted the last vestige of the British Central Banking System (political control by means of monetary/debt manipulation by a banking cabal) playing fifth column within the United States.
This he did in 1833, then quickly paid off the American National Debt, for the first (and only) time in American history.
However, sadly, America did NOT really win this or any other war to free itself of the British Central Banking System.
The United States, its monetary system, its debt, its political system, its very citizens are currently wholly controlled/owned by America's THIRD national bank: the Federal Reserve.
Did America militarily defeat the British Banking Establishment and their Central Banking System with the Anglo American War of 1812... yes.
Did America really win the war to be free of the British Central Banking System?
Well, the British model of centralised banking has just usurped pretty much every government in the world, while simultaneously bankrupting most of the developed worlds citizens and destroying the dollar, all in order to create an unassailable neo-feudal banking aristocracy (poposed IMF World Bank with Special Drwaing Rights global currency)
I reckon they really won the war.
The Luke
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Sure thing...war of 1812...ah nobody cares Luke. U say War of 1812 I think Francis Scot Key, Old Ironsides and the Battle of New Orleans...and the fact that the Brits burnt our capital. This was never ur point...things got away from u and now u have dug up some obscure point...go write a book. This is ridiculous.
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And now a specail message for Luke
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And with that...I'm out ....GO PATS!!!!!!
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I'll continue my argument when I have a chance. Hope you guys won't smash your keyboards in the meantime. Feel free to post any (rational) questions... I'll try to answer if I can do so succinctly.
By the way, I can only assume all of this hysterical defensive screaming about American military might is an unthinking reflex of the hyper-patriotic and brainwashed... I don't remember denying American military prowess (I only remeber questioning whether America has every really won a war). So I don't see the argument?
Maybe, you guys will read my last post, that explains how I came to my conclusion (open to cogent counter argument).
Regarding, the vitriolic ad hominem attacks... I'd like to remind the more excitable posters that this is just an internet message board. If you feel some cathartic therapeutic need to vent like this, I'm afraid the only recourse I have is to politely ignore such attacks and assume you will retract them later... being in a different country I certainly can't comfort you while you rock back and forth sobbing over a tear-soaked laptop. Sorry. maybe call a friend, or family member.
The Luke
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LOL I wonder how The "Luke" would respond if he were forced to verbalize his response rather than type it...
:: In a very effiminate high pitched voice::
Yes please do cease and desist with your Ad-Hominem attacks. Normal people would just ask that others not insult them, but I am a very important internet historian with extensive knowledge on posting Wikipedia hyperlinks and carrying on like a twink douchebag. Therefore, I must insist that the Ad-Hominem attacks end at once! If you continue to persist with such chidish antics, I shall inform the moderator on duty and necessary action shall be taken!
- "The Douche"
Signing off.
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I'm not heaaring a counter-argument... just a whole lotta melting.
The Luke
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I'm not heaaring a counter-argument... just a whole lotta melting.
The Luke
You have to have an argument before anybody can put forth a counterargument.
All you've offered up is pure sophistry. Let's take a step back. The discussion that led to the inception of this thread is here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=298459.100
Right or wrong, the discussion had turned to military service, and you continued that discussion, bringing up conscientious objectors, and then making the statement: "Besides, to the best of my knowledge America has never really won a war."
The entire discussion, INCLUDING YOUR RESPONSE, was about MILITARILY winning a war. Now, after taking days to figure out how to worm your way out, you want to redefine war in terms of economic modeling.
This absurd reasoning gives you an additional out. Since our justice system is also modeled after the English Common Law system, you could claim that we "really" never won a war. I like drinking Boddingtons too... Starting to see the absurdity of your claim?
Winning the American Revolution or the War of 1812 does not mean that all vestiges of our English brethren had to be, or even now, have to be eradicated from our society. Even following your esoteric logic, the most you could conclude was that a battle was won, in terms of banking structure, not a war.
Now, pick another war, and keep to the MILITARY aspects, as that is what YOUR comments and the discussion was premised upon.
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LOL IM SO GLAD I STARTED THIS FUKING THREAD HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHA ;D ;D ;D
LOL HAHAHAHAH OMG hahahah luke you are truely a bigger jack ass then i gave you credit for hahahahahahhhahahhhahaha haa
LOL OMG ;D ;D ;D
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And now a specail message for Luke
kazan you know they are about to release the sequal to this in October dont you? gonna be a great one
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Still haven't heard a rational, reasonable, logical, cogent, argument as to how we "really" didn't win the War of 1812.
Do you even know what the word "cogent" means, Luke? You use it all the time, but I suspect you don't understand it's meaning. It means, "convincing, forceful".
As in claiming that we didn't win the war just because we have a centralized banking system is not a forceful or convincing argument. Most reasonably intelligent people wouldn't even consider it an argument at all.
Just take this opportunity to come clean. Admit that you have a blind hatred of the United States, probably motivated out of sheer envy, and that you can't put forth any type of reasonable logical argument to support your contention.
Save some face, while (if?) you still can.
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Good stuff Skip...good stuff. Ok Luke stop changing the debate. I would imagine that if u asked T to start some economic post on US foreign policy aims during the war of 1812 he either would have laughed or it would have died, not gone 8 pages. We're like sharks man..big angry brainwashed patriotic sharks. ;D
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Good stuff Skip...good stuff. Ok Luke stop changing the debate. I would imagine that if u asked T to start some economic post on US foreign policy aims during the war of 1812 he either would have laughed or it would have died, not gone 8 pages. We're like sharks man..big angry brainwashed patriotic sharks. ;D
It's almost amusing, his country can't even fully control a landmass the size of Indiana. Whats their claim to fame? drunks and the IRA?
In the immortal words of Bill the Butcher:
"On the seventh day the Lord rested, but before that he did, he squatted over the side of England and what came out of him.... was Ireland."
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Still haven't heard a rational, reasonable, logical, cogent, argument as to how we "really" didn't win the War of 1812.
Do you even know what the word "cogent" means, Luke? You use it all the time, but I suspect you don't understand it's meaning. It means, "convincing, forceful".
As in claiming that we didn't win the war just because we have a centralized banking system is not a forceful or convincing argument. Most reasonably intelligent people wouldn't even consider it an argument at all.
Just take this opportunity to come clean. Admit that you have a blind hatred of the United States, probably motivated out of sheer envy, and that you can't put forth any type of reasonable logical argument to support your contention.
Save some face, while (if?) you still can.
Skip - after I owned and destroyed Luke on that other thread, I havent even bothered to look at his posts because they are usually nothing more than empty drivel he thinks impresses people. He lies about topic after topic and runs away or hides behind word games to deflect from his ignorance.
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Its hard to listen to this crap because most Irish don't care, they love this country. My mom has a huge family and they've all come here and I've gone there. My mom just got back from there at the end of August. This guy really ought to turn his angst at the UK if he needs to vent.
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Skip - after I owned and destroyed Luke on that other thread, I havent even bothered to look at his posts because they are usually nothing more than empty drivel he thinks impresses people. He lies about topic after topic and runs away or hides behind word games to deflect from his ignorance.
Yep, he loves semantics. His way of attempting to avoid the point and use some common sense reasoning.
I think we all pretty much knew when it took him days on end to retort that we wouldn't be seeing any reasonable justification for his comment. It's still entertaining none the less.
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Well, it seems there still isn't any proper counter argument...
Skip8282 is resorting to context switching:
Right or wrong, the discussion had turned to military service
333386 is admitting he can't engage the debate:
...I havent even bothered to look at his posts...
...and the rest of the comments are like something out of a Roy Cohen, Senator Joe McCarthy love-in.
I'm not dissuaded.
The Luke
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Well, it seems there still isn't any proper counter argument...
I'm not dissuaded.
The Luke
I'm glad you're not dissuaded because we're still waiting for a valid, reasonable, logical, argument.
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I'm glad you're not dissuaded because we're still waiting for a valid, reasonable, logical, argument.
...I gave my opinion, and my reasons for it.
However, if I'm wrong and America is currently debt-free, solvent, fiscally solvent and free of the machinations of the British Central Banking System (now termed the Neo-Liberal Banking Model)... then I would reconsider my opinion, as America fought the 1812 war to achieve this objective.
I hear lots of mimicking of my writing style, lots of dismissive jeering, lots of patriotic slogans but no counter argument.
Do you want me to continue with the rest of the list?
The Luke
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Please, continue.
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Please, continue.
...will do tomorrow.
I think I'd prefer to handle WW1 and WW2 together, just for ease.
The Luke
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...will do tomorrow.
I think I'd prefer to handle WW1 and WW2 together, just for ease.
The Luke
Since you don't know shit from shinola, thiought I'd give you some help
(http://images30.fotki.com/v478/photos/9/9610/16264/shinola-vi.jpg?993680408)
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Since you don't know shit from shinola, thiought I'd give you some help
You saying I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong.
Andrew Jackson was the pre-eminent hero of the 1812 war, and he stated that the main reason for the war was to extricate America from the British Banking monopolists (and their counterparts in the Second National Bank).
He ran for president on a platform of eliminating America's own cental bank, which he did.
Had America remained free of the Central Banking model (as the framers of the Constitution chided them to) then 1812-1815 would have been a decisive win... but having won out militarily, America lost the war when it succumbed to the agents of the British Banking oligarchy immediately afterwards.
America is now bankrupt thanks to the Federal Reserve and its policies. Thats not winning anymore than a few impoverished Reservations and tacky casinos would constitute a win for Native Americans.
I don't hear a counter argument here... sorry I went to the trouble of linking all those pages and explaining myself in such detail. Maybe I should have just typed some put-downs as that seems to be the level of discourse.
The Luke
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You saying I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong.
Andrew Jackson was the pre-eminent hero of the 1812 war, and he stated that the main reason for the war was to extricate America from the British Banking monopolists (and their counterparts in the Second National Bank).
He ran for president on a platform of eliminating America's own cental bank, which he did.
Had America remained free of the Central Banking model (as the framers of the Constitution chided them to) then 1812-1815 would have been a decisive win... but having won out militarily, America lost the war when it succumbed to the agents of the British Banking oligarchy immediately afterwards.
America is now bankrupt thanks to the Federal Reserve and its policies. Thats not winning anymore than a few impoverished Reservations and tacky casinos would constitute a win for Native Americans.
I don't hear a counter argument here... sorry I went to the trouble of linking all those pages and explaining myself in such detail. Maybe I should have just typed some put-downs as that seems to be the level of discourse.
The Luke
you saying youre right doesnt make you right
you were talking in the context of military war and yes we won the war of 1812 militarily did we not?
the consequences of the war etc...that are felt for generations to come cant be to measure a military win or loss in that moment....
germany is vastly better off now that hitler isnt in power does that mean they won WW2? No they lost
face it luke youre a jack ass that made an ignorant statement and now are reaching even further to justify your ignorance...
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you were talking in the context of military war and yes we won the war of 1812 militarily did we not?
...you are implying that context to suit your own needs.
It's not uncommon for someone who is losing an argument to fixate upon a contextual ambiguity; seize upon a possible erroneous misinterpretation conflating meaning with what they choose to infer for their own ulterior motives, and use that as means to derail an argument they can't face losing.
That is what is going on here.
It's akin to the reasoning of a child being scolded: Ha-ha! Something you said could possibly be construed as a stupid comment when taken out of context, therefore you are stupid, therefore I win this argument without making my case.
This thread could easily be re-titled: "Luke is a stupid face! 'Cause he just is!"... it reeks of inferiority.
Try showing this thread to friends and coworkers who don't know your username... see who they deem to be making an (albeit unpopular) argument, and who is spewing childish inanities. Better yet, try telling them YOU post as "The Luke" and see what they really think of tonymctones argument.
Even I don't think the Palin-voters actually believe that I was seriously positing that America has never won a military conflict... they just jumped upon the opportunity to collectively CHOOSE to believe that so they can somehow "win" an argument they were losing by dismissing me. Instead of addressing the topic being discussed, they are now deluding themselves with boastful claims of "ownings"...
It's happening here too... lots of personal attacks; lots of insults; NO COUNTER ARGUMENT.
If you REALLY, REALLY believe I was explicitly claiming America never won a military conflict, then all you have to do is re-read that other thread and quote the full posts in their proper context which clearly show such.
You won't and can't do that, because no such posts were made... you just wish they were, because you don't like beig introduced to facts that perturb yor prejudices.
The Luke
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...you are implying that context to suit your own needs.
The Luke
and your remark about concientious objectors was meant in what context?
face it luke youve been pwned...
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and your remark about concientious objectors was meant in what context?
face it luke youve been pwned...
...quote the full posts in context, that way we aren't all prisoners of your abominable reading comprehension.
The Luke
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...quote the full posts in context, that way we aren't all prisoners of your abominable reading comprehension.
The Luke
LOL 3333, hh6 and mons were debating mons supposed military service etc and you said:
Mons basically stalked HH6 for months like a jilted lover and claimed that he fought in two wars, Panama and Gulf War 1. HH6 and others have asked Mons for some type of verification of these claims.
To date, Mons refuses to provide his company and battalion info for HH6 to verify, especially considering that Mons said he wishes us soldiers to be blown up by ied explosive devices.
^this was the quote you quoted in reponse to your idiotic post...
...Jeebus Hussein Christ.
Don't any of you have the intelligence or courage to be conscientious objectors
The Luke
8) again just face it luke youve been pwned...
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^this was the quote you quoted in reponse to your idiotic post... 8) again just face it luke youve been pwned...
...again, poor reading comprehension.
The Luke
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...again, poor reading comprehension.
The Luke
LOL ::)
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again just face it luke youve been pwned...
...I still don't see a counter argument.
I made a statement, was called on it by those who needed some excuse to back down from their losing argument and so set about explaining my reasoning... faced with a proper argument, all the detractors fell silent.
Sound to me as if you guys misinterpreted a statement; worked yourselves into a frenzy based on miscomprehension, only to have your faulty inferences corrected.
Who's "pwning" who?
The Luke
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...I still don't see a counter argument.
I made a statement, was called on it by those who needed some excuse to back down from their losing argument and so set about explaining my reasoning... faced with a proper argument, all the detractors fell silent.
Sound to me as if you guys misinterpreted a statement; worked yourselves into a frenzy based on miscomprehension, only to have your faulty inferences corrected.
Who's "pwning" who?
The Luke
you made a statement in regards to military conflict not the idiocy you spewed forth when cornered...
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you made a statement in regards to military conflict not the idiocy you spewed forth when cornered...
...why would anyone make such a statement?
I think it's obvious that YOU inferred such was the context (you certainly can't SHOW that was the context I was using).
Besides, such an inferrence is patently wrong as it would change a perfectly reasonable expression of opinion by an articulate poster (an opinion already defened without rebuttal) into an absurd non-sequitur.
I think hope is the father of the wish here... I think someone with poor reading comprehension HOPED someone who was schooling them had made a certain claim, so the could derail an argument they were losing. Eh? Maybe getting closer to the truth here?
Yet I stand by my statement, have explained my thinking and remain unchallenged.
The Luke
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hahahaha well lets put it up to a vote shall we?
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...why would anyone make such a statement?
I think it's obvious that YOU inferred such was the context (you certainly can't SHOW that was the context I was using).
Besides, such an inferrence is patently wrong as it would change a perfectly reasonable expression of opinion by an articulate poster (an opinion already defened without rebuttal) into an absurd non-sequitur.
I think hope is the father of the wish here... I think someone with poor reading comprehension HOPED someone who was schooling them had made a certain claim, so the could derail an argument they were losing. Eh? Maybe getting closer to the truth here?
Yet I stand by my statement, have explained my thinking and remain unchallenged.
The Luke
You have eclipsed all but Mons as the dumbest, least-informed, self-deluded, confused, poster on this site.
Were you not so convinced of your own brilliance, you would never post here again after the owning you subject yourself to at the hands of everyone else on a day to day basis.
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...why would anyone make such a statement?
We don't know why you would say something that stupid. But, the fact remains, despite your silly attempts at revisionist history, that is what YOU said, Luke.
I think it's obvious that YOU inferred such was the context (you certainly can't SHOW that was the context I was using).
Besides, such an inferrence is patently wrong as it would change a perfectly reasonable expression of opinion by an articulate poster (an opinion already defened without rebuttal) into an absurd non-sequitur.
I think hope is the father of the wish here... I think someone with poor reading comprehension HOPED someone who was schooling them had made a certain claim, so the could derail an argument they were losing. Eh? Maybe getting closer to the truth here?
Yet I stand by my statement, have explained my thinking and remain unchallenged.
The Luke
PLEASE!! No body inferred it; you flat-out said it.
...if eveyone was a conscientious objector... well you can figure out the rest.
Besides, to the best of my knowledge America has never really won a war. So what's the point in dying, or killing third world losers, for multinational corporations profits?
The Luke
If that were your goal, achieving multinational corporation profits, and you achieved it via going to war, guess what that means, boy genius........YOU'VE WON THAT WAR!!!
If that weren't enough, a conscientious objector is someone who refuses to serve in combat. Therefore, per your silly quip, the context here is COMBAT.
As you do far too often, you make some screwball statement, thinking no one can challenge you or debate you on it.
Then, when your hind quarters get exposed and subsequently whipped red, you flee in haste, scrambling for some goofy excuse to buy you some time to change your argument.
The context of winning a war is ALWAYS that of a military standpoint, and that was the standpoint in which you made your original statement.
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C'mon Luke. It was in a military context, there's no such thing as a conscientious objector to banking policy. Provide even one valid, sourced definition of conscientious objector that is not related to military combat. The discussion was about military service.
At least try to behave like an adult about it. You hate America, you got carried away with putting us down, and you slipped up.
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C'mon Luke. It was in a military context...
...you've read a lot of my posts, why would I make such a stupid comment?
Doesn't sound like me. Isn't it easier to think I meant what I wrote? After all, I used a qualifier and I've explained my reasoning here in detail (could explain more if I you'd like).
I stick by my statement.
The Luke
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...you've read a lot of my posts, why would I make such a stupid comment?
Doesn't sound like me. Isn't it easier to think I meant what I wrote? After all, I used a qualifier and I've explained my reasoning here in detail (could explain more if I you'd like).
I stick by my statement.
The Luke
LOL- No of course not. You never make stupid statements. As evidence of your brilliance I would advise everyone to examine this thread and decide for themselves if you were Capable of such idiocy. ::)