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Title: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 23, 2015, 01:38:51 PM
Way early, but let the prognostications begin.

Democrats hold early advantage in Electoral College
Published March 18, 2015
FoxNews.com

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FILE: Jan. 4, 2013: The vote certificate for Maryland presented at a congressional session to certify the electoral college results that deemed President Obama to be president, Washington, D.C. (REUTERS)
Democrats gained an early edge in the 2016 president race when Hillary Clinton emerged as their potential candidate and promptly dominated the popular vote. And they now appear to have an early advantage in the Electoral College -- the arcane-but-official way in which U.S. presidents are elected, according to a new analysis by the nonpartisan Rothenberg & Gonzales Political Report.

The college essentially works like this: When a presidential nominee “wins” a state, he or she gets all of the state’s electoral votes, which is equal to its total number of senators and House members.

So for example, if Clinton or any other nominee from her party wins deep-blue California, as every Democratic nominee has since 1992, she would get 55 electoral votes -- equal to 53 House members and two senators.

The magic number is 270 votes.

An analysis by editor and publisher Nathan Gonzales shows that a tally of states that will almost certainly or likely vote Democrat in 2016 will give the party nominee 249 votes across 17 states and the District of Columbia.

And the Republican nominee would get 191 votes across 23 states under the same analysis, which means the battle for the remaining electoral votes will be in the remaining 10 states.

“The next commander in chief is likely to be decided by voters in a familiar group of 10,” Gonzales writes.

Gonzales makes clear that a big variable in his analysis is whether the big gains that President Obama made for Democrats in 2008 and 2012, including strong support from Hispanic and younger voters, were just the result of his popularity or will carry into 2016 when he’s no longer atop the ballot.

“The biggest unanswered question is how much of the Democrats’ recent success had to do with Barack Obama,” he told FoxNews.com on Thursday.

Gonzales based his analysis on the past four presidential elections.

Other unforeseeable factors between now and November 2016 that could largely influence the race, he says, are the eventual nominees and the mood of the country.

Clinton is amid a controversy about using a personal Internet server to send official emails when she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013 but still has a huge lead in early polling.

An averaging of polls by the nonpartisan website RealClearPolitics.com has her leading all other potential Democratic candidates by 44.9 percent.

Gonzales also points out that Obama won Ohio, Florida and Wisconsin in 2008 and 2012. But those battleground states show no real signs of now being Democratic strongholds, considering they in part have Republican governors.

“The slate of 10 is set,” Gonzales said Thursday. “But there’s still plenty of room for movement within them.”

The Washington Post points out that Gonzales’ analysis is very early in the (still unofficial) election cycle and that Democrats over the past decade have won a lot of electoral votes -- including President Obama getting 365 in 2008 and 332 in 2012.

However, the newspaper also notes Republicans had even greater dominance in the 1980s, highlighted by President Reagan getting 525 votes in 1980.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/18/democrats-hold-early-advantage-in-electoral-college/?intcmp=latestnews
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 23, 2015, 06:57:29 PM
Budding 2016 presidential field set to be among most diverse in US history
Published March 23, 2015
FoxNews.com

The announcement Monday by a Canadian-born Cuban-American that he will seek the White House in 2016 marks just the first entry in what is shaping up to be one of the most diverse presidential fields in U.S. political history.

Counting Sen. Ted Cruz, candidates and potential candidates now include at least one African-American, two women, two Cuban-Americans and three Catholics.

The field comes into view just a generation after John F. Kennedy defied political odds by winning the 1960 White House race amid a country still wary of his Roman Catholic religion.

Today, political talk about the potential candidacies of New Jersey GOP Gov. Chris Christie, former Florida GOP Gov. Jeb Bush or former Maryland Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley focuses less on their Catholic faith than on their economic and foreign policy.

“The field is just more reflective of where the country is demographically,” Matthew Dallek, an assistant political professor at George Washington University, said Monday.

He also said the potential Republican field looks “much more diverse” than in years past but that the diversity among the entire field is not unprecedented -- considering in part that Hillary Clinton, the presumptive 2016 White House Democratic front-runner, came close to winning the nomination in 2008 and Barack Obama that year was elected the country’s first black president.

Cruz’s announcement Monday makes him the first Latino major party presidential candidate since Democrat Bill Richardson in 2008.

Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio, who like Cruz is a Cuban-American, is expected to make his official announcement in April. 

The history of female U.S. presidential candidates goes back to the late 1800s. But none has come closer than Clinton. Yet she may not be the only female contender on the field this time around. Businesswoman Carly Fiorina is weighing a Republican bid, and has trained much of her criticism in recent speeches on Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

Republican and retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson is the only known African-American considering a 2016 presidential run.

Dan Holler, Heritage Action for America’s communications director, said Monday that diversity in the Republican field helps the party because it shows “everybody has the opportunity” to advance party policies.

“The more people making the case, the more receptive people are going to be to a Ted Cruz or a Carly Fiorina,” he said.

Though being Catholic is no longer considered a major hurdle toward becoming president, a candidate’s race and religion will likely continue to stir public debate.

"Were it not for the transformative love of Jesus Christ, I would have been raised by a single mother," Cruz said Monday in declaring his candidacy, describing his upbringing and how his father initially left when Cruz was a child but returned after finding religion.

Kennedy famously said two months before winning the White House, "I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic Party candidate for president who also happens to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my Church on public matters, and the Church does not speak for me."

In 2008 and 2012, Republican nominee Mitt Romney, who won the party nomination the second time, also was called upon to explain his Mormon faith but rarely brought up the issue, reportedly because advisers feared it would alienate some voters.

“Religion has become less of a flashpoint,” said Dallek, while arguing the topic would dominate more of the political debate if a Jewish or Muslim candidate became a major contender.

David Karol, an associate professor of American politics at the University of Maryland, thinks religion will be “very important” in the 2016 races, particularly during the Republican primaries because there will likely be little diversity of opinion on key issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.

He also argued that Romney struggled because “Christian evangelicals were not very comfortable” with his Mormon religion and that Cruz choosing to announce his candidacy at Liberty University was a clear effort to “identify himself with this strain of Christianity.”

“That’s where he’s putting his chips,” Karol said.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who with Bush leads most early polls for the 2016 Republican nomination, is a member of a nondenominational evangelical church.

Bush is not of Hispanic descent but is married to a Mexican-American woman and has three Latino children. That Bush, Cruz and Rubio have a Latino or Hispanic background could be an advantage, considering the growth of that population across the country and the importance of winning their vote.

Obama won reelection in 2012 with roughly 71 percent of the Hispanic vote, compared with roughly 27 percent for Romney.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/23/2016-presidential-field-among-most-diverse-in-us-political-history/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on March 24, 2015, 09:15:01 AM
yawn...



Jeb vs Hildog


TPTB said so
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 24, 2015, 10:17:59 AM
What would we do without TheGrinch telling us every week that the fix is in, our votes don't matter, we are all doomed, etc.?  lol

Maybe one of these days you can spell out this grand conspiracy?  Who fixed our election in 2016?  When, where, why, how, etc.?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on March 24, 2015, 10:46:55 AM
What would we do without TheGrinch telling us every week that the fix is in, our votes don't matter, we are all doomed, etc.?  lol

Maybe one of these days you can spell out this grand conspiracy?  Who fixed our election in 2016?  When, where, why, how, etc.?

lol.. just remember the posts are timed stamped so when it comes true you can ask me then  ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 24, 2015, 10:55:40 AM
lol.. just remember the posts are timed stamped so when it comes true you can ask me then  ;D

lol. Ok.  And feel free to ask me who won Super Bowl XLIX.   :)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 09, 2015, 04:38:30 PM
Rand Paul up, Clinton down in 2016 presidential poll
Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Hillary Clinton has slipped against leading 2016 Republican candidates in Colorado, Iowa and Virginia, according to a poll released on Thursday that cited damage from the furor over the former secretary of state's emails.

The Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll also showed Clinton in a close race with U.S. Senator Rand Paul, the Kentucky Republican who declared his candidacy on Tuesday.

Clinton, who is expected to announce her White House bid this month, is tied with all the Republican candidates in Colorado and almost all of them in the early voting state of Iowa, the poll said.

"It isn't just one or two Republicans who are stepping up; it's virtually the entire GOP field that is running better against her" since the last swing state survey on Feb. 18, pollster Peter Brown said in a statement.

He attributed the drop to the controversy that erupted in March over Clinton's use of personal email for work when she was America's top diplomat. Republicans have raised the prospect of congressional hearings on the issue.

Paul led Clinton by 44 percent to 41 percent in Colorado and 43 percent to 42 percent in Iowa, the Quinnipiac poll showed. In Virginia, Clinton led 47 percent to 43 percent.

"These numbers are a boost for U.S. Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky as he formally launches his campaign," Brown said.

The poll cited a bright spot for Clinton in Virginia, where she led all Republicans, including former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, whom she led with 47 percent to 40 percent, compared to a 42-42 percent tie in February.

The telephone poll of 2,803 likely voters was conducted from March 29 through April 7 and had an error margin of 3.2 percentage points in Iowa and Virginia and 3.3 points in Colorado.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-clinton-down-2016-presidential-poll-133940057.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on April 09, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
Rand Paul up, Clinton down in 2016 presidential poll

Cue 2012, where every candidate is "up" when they first announce and FOX says they're hot that week.

Remember, at one point, fcking sittin-on-couch-with-pelosi-supporting-global-warming newt gingrich was up by 25 points over everyone lol.  CAIN led, that simple minded, "999" spouting slut-whore of a person.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on April 10, 2015, 08:10:51 AM
Cue 2012, where every candidate is "up" when they first announce and FOX says they're hot that week.

Remember, at one point, fcking sittin-on-couch-with-pelosi-supporting-global-warming newt gingrich was up by 25 points over everyone lol.  CAIN led, that simple minded, "999" spouting slut-whore of a person.

Wasn't Rudy Giuliani in the lead this time 8 years ago, and after the first debate he dropped to last.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on April 10, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
Wasn't Rudy Giuliani in the lead this time 8 years ago, and after the first debate he dropped to last.

There was a time when fred thompson led lol.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/19/us-usa-politics-poll-idUSN1918714220070619

He was SO unprepared.  He knew SO little about the history, the issues, policy, he was just a dumb main, period.

And he led lol.   Trump led.  Cain led.  Newt led.  Santorum led.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LurkerNoMore on April 10, 2015, 10:11:05 AM
There was a time when fred thompson led lol.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/19/us-usa-politics-poll-idUSN1918714220070619

He was SO unprepared.  He knew SO little about the history, the issues, policy, he was just a dumb main, period.

And he led lol.   Trump led.  Cain led.  Newt led.  Santorum led.   

Everyone in the clown car gets their 15 minutes in the lime light before crashing back to Earth. 

The most likely scenario is that Cruz and Walker will split the Tea Party vote.  Rendering it ineffective.  Rubio and Rand are nothing more than background filler, Rubio simply because he is most likely angling for the VP pick on down the road.  Neither of those has a chance of winning.  They know it.  And so to their supporters.   Carson, Huck, Trump and Christie will be there (if they decide to enter at all) for no other reason than to make sure the oxygen content of the room doesn't rise to dangerous levels.  At this point the good ol' establishment boy Jeb will swoop in and pick up the nomination. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on April 10, 2015, 10:18:11 AM
Everyone in the clown car gets their 15 minutes in the lime light before crashing back to Earth. 

The most likely scenario is that Cruz and Walker will split the Tea Party vote.  Rendering it ineffective.  Rubio and Rand are nothing more than background filler, Rubio simply because he is most likely angling for the VP pick on down the road.  Neither of those has a chance of winning.  They know it.  And so to their supporters.   Carson, Huck, Trump and Christie will be there (if they decide to enter at all) for no other reason than to make sure the oxygen content of the room doesn't rise to dangerous levels.  At this point the good ol' establishment boy Jeb will swoop in and pick up the nomination. 

and if/when this happens...

Repubs will suddenly act happy the base gets dissed at the convention.
They'll all pretend Jeb was conservative all along.
They'll all pretend Jeb is the only electiable one.
They'll forget 2008 and 2012 ever happened.

Dudes, at this point.... I truly think 2008 and 2012, Romney and mccain werent that bad as candidates.  And I don't think obama was that good of a canddiate, particuarly in 2012 when he was tired and his numbers sucked.  I think the voting demographic is changing and it's going more liberal.  Raise an entire generation liberal - they don't remember 911 but they can vote in 2016, think about that!!!  Toss in 4 million new illegal aliens who can now vote dem thanks to obama...

Repubs could run Reagan and Dems could run Mondale... and the (D) party might win it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on April 10, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
both parties will "hate" their guy/gal but will vote for their guy/gal because they hate the other guy/gal more

simple as that...

its not a vote of who you like any longer... its a vote against who you hate more



sounds like a great recipe for the success of a country!!


GO MERICA'!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on April 10, 2015, 06:20:26 PM
KRAUTHAMMER: RUBIO HAS CHANCE TO BE ‘KENNEDYESQUE’

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On Friday’s “Special Report” on the Fox News Channel, columnist Charles Krauthammer argued that Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) has a chance “to be the sort of Kennedyesque” candidate and that his foreign policy experience makes him “the best” to speak on the issues that the election will hinge “a lot” on.

“I think Rubio is the one — again, if the theme is new and old, I think he’s got a chance to be the sort of Kennedyesque one, a lot of energy, youth, and especially because foreign affairs have become a very important issue in the last couple of years that we should have an election that hinges a lot on that. But I think the disgust with — the way our position is in the world is going to lead to who can speak on those issues, Rubio, I think is the best” he stated.

Krauthammer bet $35 on Rubio, $30 on Jeb Bush, $25 on Scott Walker, and $5 on Ted Cruz in the “candidate casino” where “Special Report’s” panel puts 100 fictional dollars on candidates to win the nomination.

He added, ” I put $5 on Ted Cruz because anybody who raises $30 million in a week, deserves a fiver.”
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 10, 2015, 08:00:14 PM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on April 16, 2015, 12:09:57 AM
Clinton is far ahead of Cruz in all the polls including Fox News polls.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 23, 2015, 05:11:01 PM
Clinton is far ahead of Cruz in all the polls including Fox News polls.

She's definitely going to be formidable.  Not because she is a stellar, but because the MSM will prop her up and cover her sins, and a plethora of mindless drones will vote for her regardless of what comes out of her mouth (or her past).  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 23, 2015, 05:13:06 PM
They hypothetical match-ups look a lot closer these days. 

Fox News Poll: Rubio jumps to head of 2016 GOP pack, Clinton honesty questioned
By Dana Blanton
Published April 23, 2015
FoxNews.com

The Bush dynasty is a negative for voters and Marco Rubio is seen as a leader of the future, as the Florida senator jumps to the head of the GOP pack.  The Clinton dynasty is a plus -- and even though Hillary could have an honesty problem, she dominates the Democratic side.  And both the Republican faithful (with their crowded field) and the Democratic faithful (with their sole favorite) are happy with their range of 2016 choices.

These are some of the findings from the latest Fox News poll on the 2016 presidential election.  Here are some more:

Announcing your candidacy helps your poll numbers.  Florida Sen. Marco Rubio receives a five percentage-point bump after his April 13 announcement and has the backing of 13 percent in the race for the Republican nomination -- just a touch over Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker who gets 12 percent among self-identified GOP primary voters.  Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul comes in at 10 percent, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee earn 9 percent each and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz gets 8 percent. 

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson each garner 6 percent.  Last month Christie was at 4 percent and Carson at 11 percent.

White evangelical Christians are most likely to support Huckabee (13 percent), Paul (11 percent), Cruz and Rubio (10 percent each).

Top picks among the Tea Party include Walker (19 percent), Rubio (14 percent), Paul (13 percent), Huckabee and Cruz (10 percent each).

In the quest for the Democratic nomination, former Sec. of State Hillary Clinton remains on top with 62 percent support among self-identified Democratic primary voters.  She’s the only declared candidate on the Democratic side.  Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (12 percent) and Vice President Joe Biden (9 percent) lag far behind.

Despite far fewer options, Democratic primary voters (71 percent) are a tad bit more likely than their GOP counterparts (67 percent) to say they are satisfied with their 2016 choices.

The Bush dynasty is seen as a negative while the Clinton dynasty is a positive.  By a 58-34 percent margin, voters say being related to previous presidents is a disadvantage for Jeb Bush, yet by a 52-39 percent margin they think it’s an advantage for Hillary Clinton.

Republicans say the Bush dynasty is a negative, yet Democrats view the Clinton dynasty as a positive.

A leader of the Future or the Past?

Who’s a leader of the future?  Rubio tops that list.  Voters see him “more as a leader of the future” (50 percent) than the past (21 percent) by a 29-point margin.

That dwarfs the numbers who see Paul (by 12 points), Warren (by 11 points) and Walker (by 10 points) as leaders of the future.  By a 2-point margin, more see Clinton as a leader of the future (43 percent) than the past (41 percent).

Biden (by 33 points) and Bush (by 17 points) are the only two seen more as leaders of the past.

Honest and Trustworthy

Of those tested on the poll, Clinton, Biden and Cruz fare the worst on the “honest and trustworthy” question.

Currently, 45 percent of voters think Clinton is honest.  That’s mostly unchanged from last month, but down 9 points from 54 percent a year ago (April 2014).  She lost ground among men (-10 points), women (-9 points) and Democrats (-7 points).  Moreover, only 33 percent of independents see Clinton as honest. That’s down 13 points since last year.

Overall, Clinton’s honesty score is negative six (45 percent “yes, she is” minus 51 percent “no, she isn’t”), Biden’s is negative four (44-48 percent) and for Cruz it’s negative one (37-38 percent).

On the positive side: Rubio (+13), Paul (+12) and Carson (+7) score best on the honesty measure.  Bush (+4) and Walker (+4) are also in positive territory.

Clinton is the only one who has a majority saying she is not honest and trustworthy (51 percent).  Still, it’s important to remember that, many on the GOP side are largely unfamiliar to voters.  As a result, 43 percent are unable to rate Carson’s honesty, 34 percent are unable to rate Walker, 25 percent are unable to rate Cruz and 24 percent Rubio.

Voters are getting more familiar with Rubio since his announcement.  The portion unable to rate his honesty dropped from 39 percent last month to 24 percent today.  Being better known cuts both ways:  both the number saying Rubio is honest (+10) and the number saying he isn’t (+6 points) went up since March.

Hypothetical Matchups

Clinton bests each of the Republicans tested in hypothetical matchups for a 2016 presidential contest: she leads Paul 46-43 percent, Bush 45-41 percent, Rubio 46-42 percent, Cruz 47-42 percent and Walker 46-40 percent.  In each of these matchups the candidates are at or within the margin of sampling error of each other.


Pollpourri

The poll asks voters whether Clinton “seems too old” and if Rubio “seems too young” to be president.  Nope. And nope.  About one in five (19 percent) says Clinton seems too old and the same number says Rubio seems too young (19 percent).

Those ages 35-54 are the most likely to feel Rubio seems too young (22 percent).  That drops to 15 percent among voters under 35.  Rubio is 43 years old.

Voters ages 65 and over are the most likely to say Clinton seems too old (26 percent) and they are more than twice as likely as voters under 35 to feel that way (11 percent).  Clinton is 67.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,012 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from April 19-21, 2015. The full poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. The results among Democratic and Republican primary voters have an error of plus or minus five points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/23/fox-news-poll-rubio-jumps-to-head-2016-gop-pack-clinton-honesty-questioned/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on April 23, 2015, 06:35:06 PM
She's definitely going to be formidable.  Not because she is a stellar, but because the MSM will prop her up and cover her sins

If only the republicans could create their own news network.  You know, one that would be fair and balanced.  it could be #1 in cable news.  Maybe they could invent some #1 newsprint and website too.   Then things could even out.  They could have a TV network bashing obama 24/7, and then it could bash hilary 24/7.

If only.  But we live in a world where the "mainstream media" is why Hilary will win, and not because we live in a country where 51% of the nation are mother fcking liberals.  Right?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: whork on April 23, 2015, 06:47:04 PM
If only the republicans could create their own news network.  You know, one that would be fair and balanced.  it could be #1 in cable news.  Maybe they could invent some #1 newsprint and website too.   Then things could even out.  They could have a TV network bashing obama 24/7, and then it could bash hilary 24/7.

If only.  But we live in a world where the "mainstream media" is why Hilary will win, and not because we live in a country where 51% of the nation are mother fcking liberals.  Right?

Good one.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on April 23, 2015, 07:00:03 PM
Good one.

it just pisses me off, after the last 2 obama landslid-ish wins, to see repubs conceding the election 18 months ahead of time, and already blaming "the media" for their loss.

"I'll try my best, but the other team will probably win because the refs hate us..."

Instead, they should tell us what they would do BETTER.  All i hear from Rand is "hilary bad".  But I dont know what in the world Rand even stands for.  none of us do, since he has been tea party and RINO in the past 3 years.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 23, 2015, 07:25:57 PM
If only the republicans could create their own news network.  You know, one that would be fair and balanced.  it could be #1 in cable news.  Maybe they could invent some #1 newsprint and website too.   Then things could even out.  They could have a TV network bashing obama 24/7, and then it could bash hilary 24/7.

If only.  But we live in a world where the "mainstream media" is why Hilary will win, and not because we live in a country where 51% of the nation are mother fcking liberals.  Right?

Wrong you dishonest troll. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on April 23, 2015, 08:31:45 PM
If only the republicans could create their own news network.  You know, one that would be fair and balanced.  it could be #1 in cable news.  Maybe they could invent some #1 newsprint and website too.   Then things could even out.  They could have a TV network bashing obama 24/7, and then it could bash hilary 24/7.

If only.  But we live in a world where the "mainstream media" is why Hilary will win, and not because we live in a country where 51% of the nation are mother fcking liberals.  Right?

Did you forget about FOX? All the folks on the right that I know watch FOX.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: whork on April 23, 2015, 08:44:13 PM
it just pisses me off, after the last 2 obama landslid-ish wins, to see repubs conceding the election 18 months ahead of time, and already blaming "the media" for their loss.

"I'll try my best, but the other team will probably win because the refs hate us..."

Instead, they should tell us what they would do BETTER.  All i hear from Rand is "hilary bad".  But I dont know what in the world Rand even stands for.  none of us do, since he has been tea party and RINO in the past 3 years.

Their agenda is to serve the top 1% even if that means killing off the middleclass. They cant run on this so they create an enemy to take focus away.
Dictators all over use this method all the time. If you convince and scare the population enough you can do almost anything.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on April 23, 2015, 09:21:14 PM
Did you forget about FOX? All the folks on the right that I know watch FOX.

yep, i was being sarcastic.   Repubs play this big victim card, blaming channels like MSNBC that nobody watches, any time a dem wins.  yet these same networks were powerless to stop Bush, oddly ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 27, 2015, 12:26:30 PM
Jeb Bush Tops Clinton, GOP Field in Virginia Poll
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Image: Jeb Bush Tops Clinton, GOP Field in Virginia Poll (Molly Riley/UPI/Landov; Joshua Roberts/Reuters/Landov)
Monday, 27 Apr 2015
By Drew MacKenzie

Presidential contender Jeb Bush is leading the 2016 GOP field in the battleground state of Virginia as well as beating Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton, according to a new poll.

The former Florida governor tops Florida Sen. Marco Rubio by a single point, 17 percent to 16 percent, with the rest of the pack at least 7 points back, says the study by the Wason Center for Public Policy at Christopher Newport University.

In a head-to-head 2016 showdown with Clinton, Bush was ahead by 2 points, 48 percent to 46 percent, after lagging 5 points behind the former secretary of state in a poll taken in February before Clinton came under fire for conducting official government duties on her private email server.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul received 10 percent of the votes in a potential GOP race for the White House, The Washington Times reports.

Retired neurosurgeon and outspoken conservative Ben Carson had 7 percent along with tea party favorite Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, the poll revealed. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was close behind them with 6 percent of the vote.

"The Republican field continues to be very fluid," said Tom Kramer, assistant director of the Wason Center for Public Policy. "While there are no break-out candidates yet, we do see a sorting taking place, with Bush and Rubio emerging as top-tier candidates, and Christie, Paul and Walker forming a solid second-tier.

"Battleground Virginia will live up to its name in 2016. In the face of a barrage of attacks from her real and potential Republican challengers, Clinton’s once formidable position has weakened, as we knew it would.

"Even at this early stage, the presidential election in Virginia is shaping up to be a closely fought contest."

Clinton tops Christie by 2 points, down 5 points from February, and she also leads Paul by 2 points and Rubio by 4 points, down from 10 points and 9 points, respectively, since February. She’s also ahead of Huckabee by 3 points after leading him by 10 points in February, according to the Times.

The survey of 658 registered voters was conducted from April 13-24 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.6 percent.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Jeb-Bush-Hillary-Clinton-virginia-poll/2015/04/27/id/640927/#ixzz3YXVNpHwv
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 04, 2015, 12:07:45 PM
The 2016 Results We Can Already Predict
The battleground states will give you déjà vu.
By LARRY J. SABATO, KYLE KONDIK and GEOFFREY SKELLEY
May 03, 2015
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As the country has become more divided and polarized, the number of swing states has steadily shrunk. Even in 2000, when 537 votes in Florida elected a president, just 12 states were decided by five points or less. That number contracted to just four states in 2012.

When Jimmy Carter defeated President Gerald Ford in 1976, every big state was competitive: California, New York, Pennsylvania, Texas, Illinois and Ohio all had at least 25 electoral votes, and each one was decided by less than five points. All told, 20 of 50 states were won by five points or less. This wasn’t unique; an earlier close election, the 1960 match-up between John Kennedy and Richard Nixon, produced razor-thin results in exactly the same number of states, with almost all the mega-states of that day recording tight margins.

We don’t really have elections like 1960 and 1976 anymore. In the current Electoral College battlefield, 40 of 50 states have voted for the same candidate in all four elections since 2000. And, of the 10 exceptions, three were fluky: New Mexico’s pluralities were wafer-thin in both 2000, when it went for Al Gore, and 2004, when George W. Bush took the state. It has now trended mainly Democratic. Indiana and North Carolina, meanwhile, narrowly went for Barack Obama in 2008, in part because Obama’s campaign invested heavily in field operations and advertising in those states while John McCain, out of necessity, neglected them. Overall, Hoosiers are still predominantly Republican and Tar Heels marginally so. That leaves just seven super-swingy states: Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Ohio, and Virginia, all of which backed Bush and Obama twice each, and Iowa and New Hampshire, which have voted Democratic in three of the last four elections.

So it’s no wonder that these special seven states start as the only obvious toss-ups on our first 2016 Electoral Map.

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This map feels like déjà vu: It’s effectively the same map we featured for much of the 2012 cycle, and it unmistakably suggests the Democratic nominee should start the election as at least a marginal Electoral College favorite over his or (probably) her Republican rival. However, at the starting gate it is wiser to argue that the next election is basically a 50-50 proposition.

How can that be when Democrats are so much closer to the magic number of 270 than Republicans?

At heart, it’s because the past is often not a good guide to the future. With regularity in modern history, the Electoral College’s alleged lock for one party has been picked by the other party, usually at eight-year intervals. A few states that appear to be solidly in one party’s column can switch in any given year because of short-term (Indiana) or long-term (Virginia) forces. Other states that merely lean to one party require less of a push to change allegiances. North Carolina tilts to the GOP and Wisconsin to the Democrats, but it doesn’t require much imagination to foresee the winning party flipping one or the other.

For the Democrats, a victory in 2016 entails zero expansion of the blue map, merely the limiting of blue-to-red transformations. Assuming the lean, likely, and safe Democratic states remain loyal to the party, the nominee need only win 23 of the 85 toss-up electoral votes. And if a lean Democratic state such as Wisconsin turns red, it is relatively easy to replace those votes with one or two toss-ups.

On the other hand, Republicans must hold all their usual states plus find a way to stitch together an additional 64 electoral votes, or 79 if they can’t hold North Carolina. To do this, the GOP candidate will have to come close to sweeping the toss-ups under most scenarios—a difficult task unless the election year’s fundamentals (President Obama’s job approval, economic conditions, war and peace, and so on) are moving powerfully against the Democrats.

It is possible, maybe quite plausible, that any new Republican path to Electoral College victory will wend through the whiter-than-average industrial Midwest, but as of now it’s more likely to expect the GOP’s electoral map to look much like George W. Bush’s narrow route to the White House—a solid South, rural Midwest and Rocky Mountain majority.

One could argue that we’re giving the Democrats short shrift by not calling rapidly diversifying North Carolina a toss-up, or leaning Nevada to them because of its growing and largely Democratic Hispanic vote. But if one assumes that the 2016 outcome will be closer than Obama’s 2012 national victory margin of four percentage points—and that is a reasonable working assumption 18 months in advance of Election Day—then Nevada should be tight while North Carolina would take on a reddish hue.

That said, there are two predictions we can make at this point.

First, if Republicans lose either Florida or Ohio, the nominee has no realistic path to victory. Both states are typically at least slightly more Republican than the nation as a whole. If GOP voters are thinking strategically during the nominating process, they will pick a candidate with a profile appealing to Sunshine and Buckeye state residents.

Second, while there are credible Democratic paths to the White House without Virginia, anything other than a win or a loss by just a percent or two in the Old Dominion will signal the Democrat’s downfall. Virginia was (slightly) more Democratic than the nation in 2012 for the first time since Franklin Roosevelt’s era, and population trends that are increasingly favorable to Democrats are continuing.

We’ll expand on this analysis in this Thursday’s Crystal Ball newsletter. But, if you plan to go where the action will be, you can already safely book those autumn 2016 travel packages to Columbus, Denver, Des Moines, Las Vegas, Manchester, Richmond and Tampa.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/2016-predictions-117554.html#ixzz3ZCMF2Zfa
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: The Enigma on May 04, 2015, 02:11:58 PM
She's definitely going to be formidable.  Not because she is a stellar, but because the MSM will prop her up and cover her sins, and a plethora of mindless drones will vote for her regardless of what comes out of her mouth (or her past).  

You're 100% accurate.

Like it or not Hillary Clinton will be our next President.

Women, Blacks & Gays will decide our next  "se- election"

Now let be go and puke !!  :-X

 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 05, 2015, 10:54:25 AM
You're 100% accurate.

Like it or not Hillary Clinton will be our next President.

Women, Blacks & Gays will decide our next  "se- election"

Now let be go and puke !!  :-X

 

It's too soon to say who will win, but she's definitely going to be a beast. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on May 06, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
keep voting the two party system..



go Merica' !
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: whork on May 06, 2015, 11:37:32 AM
keep voting the two party system..



go Merica' !

Im not American but thats the circumstances they are dealt.
Its no different in my country in reality there is only 2 options too choose from.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Option D on May 06, 2015, 11:42:16 AM
Wrong you dishonest troll. 


na.... that was pretty spot on...cant be denied... if it could.. you would have disputed it in your first post response to it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 07, 2015, 11:32:42 AM

na.... that was pretty spot on...cant be denied... if it could.. you would have disputed it in your first post response to it.

Wrong.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 28, 2015, 11:21:25 AM
Dems hope for Cruz, fear Bush
By Mike Lillis
May 27, 2015

Democrats are rooting for Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) to win the Republican presidential nomination, and Jeb Bush is the 2016 candidate they fear the most, according to a survey conducted by The Hill.

In interviews with more than a dozen Democratic lawmakers, former members and strategists, The Hill asked questions to gauge what Democrats think of the large Republican field.

Democrats think Cruz, a conservative firebrand, would alienate independent voters, propel liberals to the polls and give their party the best shot at picking up congressional seats in next year’s elections.

Bush, they say, would be the much tougher opponent, because he’s a former governor from a political dynasty who can both raise hundreds of millions of dollars and appeal more strongly to women and independent voters.

The former Florida governor’s moderate positions on immigration, while unpopular in conservative circles, would also help him with Hispanic voters who could prove crucial in important battleground states such as Florida, Nevada, Virginia and Colorado, the Democrats say.

Bush has not officially entered the contest, but is expected to announce his bid in the coming weeks.

“Unquestionably, without going into names, a more centrist Republican candidate is tougher to campaign against,” said Rep. Steve Israel (N.Y.), who’s heading the messaging strategy for House Democrats.

“All the polling shows us that the Republican brand is highly unpopular,” Israel added. “A Republican who’s reflecting that brand all the way on the right is easy to win against. A Republican who plays against the brand is harder to win against.”

Behind Bush, Democrats are also wary of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), two relatively new faces who have nonetheless proven to be effective fundraisers while appealing to conservatives and independents alike.

Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) characterized both as “formidable opponents,” singling out Rubio as particularly tough “because he has no record” and “can make it up as he goes.”

Democrats, who are licking their wounds after a brutal 2014 election cycle, are hoping to ride the coattails of their most likely nominee — Hillary Clinton — to down-ballot success at the polls in 2016.

But they think their chances also hinge on their ability to draw the sharpest contrast between the two candidates at the top of the ticket. That’s why Bush and Rubio worry Democratic operatives.

The Democrats polled by The Hill — by no means members of the Cruz fan club — are rooting for him in the primary battle.

The overwhelming refrain from the Democrats polled is that the Texas senator’s no-apologies brand of conservatism would provide the contrast that will boost their odds in congressional races.

“I don’t [dispute] that Cruz is a force — he’s demonstrated that — but he’s the force that we’d like to see,” said Rep. John Larson (Conn.), former head of the House Democratic Caucus. “He’s a very talented and capable person, but his path to ascendency is to take them further right than they already are, and in order for them to win, they’ve got to be center-right.”

Doug Thornell, Democratic strategist and managing director at SKDKnickerbocker, echoed that message, arguing that a Cruz nomination “would be a catastrophe for the Republican Party.”

“He would be an anvil around the necks of House and Senate Republicans,” Thornell said. “He’s toxic. People see him as a destructive force who doesn’t want to see Washington work, and would shut the place down.”

The 44-year-old Cruz, the first candidate to jump into the still-growing GOP primary field, has been a quickly rising force in national politics, carving out a conservative niche.

His insistence that an ObamaCare repeal be a part of a government spending package contributed to the 2013 shutdown, and his hard line on issues as diverse as immigration reform and abortion have made him a darling of the Tea Party. But many Republicans are wary of Cruz, saying that he has damaged the GOP brand.

Several political action committees supporting Cruz have raked in tens of millions of dollars already this year. And Cruz’s campaign got a boost last week when four Texas Republicans — Reps. Louie Gohmert, Michael Burgess, John Culberson and John Ratcliffe — endorsed his presidential bid.

Still, establishment Republicans, perhaps acknowledging Cruz’s polarizing nature, have been much more reluctant to get on board. Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas), chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said he’s looking for a presidential nominee “who can unite our party and not divide it.”

“A lot of us are tired of this division going on,” McCaul said Thursday at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington. “I like more a Reagan-type person who can bring the party together and the country, and not be a polarizing, divisive figure.”

Democrats know that Cruz is not the favorite to win the GOP primary. The RealClearPolitics average of polls shows Bush at the top, with Cruz tied for fifth.

Still, political strategists say Cruz could do well in the Iowa caucuses and seize momentum. A recent Quinnipiac University poll had Walker leading Iowa, with Cruz in fourth place and Bush in seventh.

A former House Democrat, noting Cruz’s role in fueling the 2013 government shutdown, said the freshman Texas senator would be a godsend for the Democrats.

“He’s polarizing enough that he would really stimulate the Democratic base,” the former lawmaker said on background. “And he’s controversial enough in the Republican Party that it would disquiet the Chamber of Commerce wing and deaden the Republican turnout.”

Not all Democrats agree. Rep. Marc Veasey (D-Texas) said he’s concerned that the fellow Texan would energize Republicans in a way that Mitt Romney simply didn’t in 2012. And Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) offered a similar message, arguing that turnout in states like his “is the whole game.”

“In Florida, there’s the blue team, there’s the red team, and everyone knows which team they’re on. It’s that simple. So the only question is: Can you get your people to vote?” Grayson said. “The more effective Republican presidential candidate will be the one who can motivate the base.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/243165-dems-hope-for-cruz-fear-bush
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 28, 2015, 01:46:04 PM
Quinnipiac Poll: Rubio, Paul Only GOP Hopefuls That Come Close to Clinton
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Image: Quinnipiac Poll: Rubio, Paul Only GOP Hopefuls That Come Close to Clinton  (Darren McCollester/Getty Images; Michael B. Thomas/Getty Images) 
Thursday, 28 May 2015
By Melissa Clyne

While Hillary Clinton continues to dominate the Democratic field of candidates running for president in 2016, a Republican frontrunner has yet to emerge, a new Quinnipiac University Poll finds, with a five-way tie for the top spot.

 The five candidates leading the poll at 10 percent are:
•Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush
•Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson
•Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee
•U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida
•Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker

Twenty-percent of GOP voters who participated in the poll remain undecided.

After the five-way split at the top, the next five are:
•U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky (7 percent)
•U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas (6 percent)
•Business tycoon Donald Trump (5 percent)
•New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (4 percent)
•Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina (2 percent)
•Ohio Gov. John Kasich (2 percent)

The top 10 will receive invitations to participate in televised debates.

 The poll, however, shows only two,  Rubio and Paul, are threats to Clinton in hypothetical matchups, each coming within three to four points of the former First Lady if the race were held today.
In a sign of how large numbers of Americans have yet to begin processing the early stages of the presidential race, 20 percent of respondents said they did not yet have a favored candidate.

"Safe to say, the 2016 Republican presidential primary is anyone's race," said Quinnipiac's assistant director Tim Malloy.

"With no front-runner and identical numbers for the top five contenders, it's a horserace which can only be described as a scrambled field -- at least so far."

With the GOP nomination contest wide open, the Democratic side was all about Clinton.

Clinton, aiming to become the nation's first-ever female president, earned 57 percent support -- a three-point drop compared to an April 24 Quinnipiac poll, but still well ahead of socialist-leaning Senator Bernie Sanders, with 15 percent.

Vice President Joe Biden, who has flirted with a run but has yet to take many of the steps seen as prerequisites to a campaign launch, was third at 9 percent.

Martin O'Malley, a recent two-term Maryland governor who is expected to launch his presidential bid Saturday, barely registered with 1 percent support.

In hypothetical matchups with her Republican rivals, only Paul and Rubio posed threats. Clinton came out on top 46 percent to 42 percent against Paul, and 45-41 versus Rubio.

Clinton cruised against the other Republicans, including a 47-37 advantage over Bush, the son and brother of two former presidents.

But on qualities seen as important for the highest executive office, it was a mixed bag for Clinton.

Voters by 53 to 39 percent said Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, but they responded 60-37 percent that she has strong leadership qualities.

They are split, 48-47, over whether Clinton cares about their needs and problems.

"Can you get low marks on honesty and still be a strong leader? Sure you can," Malloy said.

"Hillary Clinton crushes her democratic rivals and keeps the GOP hoard at arm's length."

The May 19-26 poll surveyed 1,711 registered voters nationwide, and it has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.

Information from AFP was used in this report.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/clinton-rubio-paul-poll/2015/05/28/id/647158/#ixzz3bT5I8Bn0
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on May 29, 2015, 08:11:40 AM
What is the number of Republicans who have declared their presidential run vs the number of Democrats?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
What is the number of Republicans who have declared their presidential run vs the number of Democrats?

As of today, eight Republicans and two Democrats.  http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/2016-presidential-candidates.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 03, 2015, 06:59:32 PM
Fox News Poll: Bush, Walker, Carson top GOP pack, support for Clinton down
By  Dana Blanton
Published June 03, 2015
FoxNews.com

National security is a much bigger issue for Republicans this time than during the last primary.  And more GOP hopefuls make it official -- yet they barely move the needle.  Bernie Sanders nearly doubles his numbers and support for Hillary Clinton dips -- even as Democrats say they’re not concerned about allegations of her dishonesty. 

These are some of the findings from the latest Fox News poll on the 2016 presidential election. 

There’s no true frontrunner in the race for the GOP nomination - and not all the candidates in the poll have declared yet. The new poll, released Wednesday, finds three Republicans receiving double-digit backing from GOP primary voters:  former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker each receive 12 percent and neurosurgeon Ben Carson gets 11 percent. 

They are followed by Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at 9 percent, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz at 8 percent, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio at 7 percent, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at 6 percent and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at 5 percent.

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who will make his candidacy official Thursday, and businessman Donald Trump get 4 percent each. 

Three Republicans officially threw their hat in the ring recently. South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham announced June 1, former New York Gov. George Pataki announced May 28 and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum declared May 27.  Each receives 2 percent. 

Businesswoman Carly Fiorina and Ohio Gov. John Kasich also each garner 2 percent.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

The top four favorites among the Tea Party movement are Walker (22 percent), Cruz (17 percent), Carson (12 percent) and Paul (11 percent).

It’s no wonder the GOP race is so splintered.  Of the candidates tested, about one in five Republican primary voters say they would “definitely” vote for six of them: Walker (22 percent), Carson (21 percent), Rubio (21 percent), Bush (20 percent), Cruz (19 percent) and Paul (19 percent).

More than half say they would “never” support Trump (59 percent).  That’s the highest number saying they would never vote for a particular candidate.  Christie comes next (37 percent), followed by Bush and Huckabee (24 percent each) and Paul (20 percent).

Bush alone has the distinction of being in the top five of both the “definitely” and the “never” vote for lists. 

Walker, who is still unannounced, looks especially well-positioned among GOP primary voters.  Not only does he have the highest number saying they would “definitely” vote for him (22 percent), but he also has the lowest “never” vote for number of those tested (eight percent).

GOP voters are most likely to “want more info about” Kasich (60 percent), Fiorina (55 percent) and Walker (47 percent). 

The priorities of Republican primary voters have changed significantly since last time around.  Forty-six percent say economic issues will be most important in deciding their vote for the GOP nomination.  That’s down 30 percentage points from the 76 percent who said the same in 2011.  And 36 percent now say national security will be their deciding issue -- more than four times the 8 percent that said so four years ago. For 12 percent, social issues will be most important, up from six percent. 

On the Democratic side, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton remains the clear frontrunner for the nomination with 57 percent support among self-identified Democratic primary voters. Still, that’s down from 63 percent last month, and marks only the second time in more than a year that support for Clinton is below 60 percent.  Her highest support was 69 percent in April 2014. 

At the same time, support for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders nearly doubled, from six percent last month to 11 percent now.  He was at 4 percent in April.

The most recent Democratic contender to jump in the race, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, garners 4 percent.  That’s a nice bump from the less than one percent support he got before his May 30 announcement.  Vice President Joe Biden (8 percent) and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (7 percent) -- both are undeclared -- still best O’Malley. 

Despite Clinton controlling the field, most Democratic voters -- 69 percent -- say someone else could still win the nomination. That’s more than twice the 28 percent who say the race is over.

Most Democratic primary voters, 68 percent, say they are not worried about allegations of Clinton’s dishonesty and unethical behavior.  Thirty-one percent are concerned, including 10 percent who feel “very concerned.”

For the broader electorate, however, recent allegations against Clinton may be more problematic. A 61-percent majority of voters thinks it is at least somewhat likely that the Clintons were “selling influence to foreign contributors” who made donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state.  A significant minority of Democrats (41 percent) feels that way, as do a majority of independents (66 percent) and most Republicans (82 percent).

Pollpourri
 Would you rather the next president be a Democrat or a Republican?  The poll asks voters that simple question and finds … a split!  Forty percent prefer a Democrat and 39 percent a Republican.  The results are also evenly divided among independents: 24 percent say Democrat, 24 percent Republican and 35 percent “other.”

By a 51-39 percent margin, more voters say it would be “a bad thing for the country” if a Democrat wins the presidential election and continues President Obama’s policies.  That includes 88 percent of Republicans, 52 percent of independents and 20 percent of Democrats.

About the same number of voters says they would be “very” interested in watching a presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush (38 percent), as they would between Clinton and Fiorina, the other female candidate (35 percent), or between Clinton and Paul (35 percent).

And women are as likely to want to watch Clinton debate Bush (37 percent) as they are to want to see Clinton debate Fiorina (36 percent).

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,006 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from May 31-June 2, 2015. The full poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. The margin of error is higher among the subgroups of Democratic and Republican primary voters (+/-5%).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/03/fox-news-poll-bush-walker-carson-top-gop-pack-support-for-clinton-down/?intcmp=latestnews
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 03, 2015, 07:26:30 PM
yep, i was being sarcastic.   Repubs play this big victim card, blaming channels like MSNBC that nobody watches, any time a dem wins.  yet these same networks were powerless to stop Bush, oddly ;)

Dude the way you hand out beat downs to hypocrites is something of an art now.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 03, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
Dude the way you hand out beat downs to hypocrites is something of an art now.

every election is the same.   Most conservatives on getbig as scared to commit to positions until after the candidate is decided.  They can't say how they feel about the friggin patriot act.  and they always try to tell us a RINO is the only one that can win.  08, 12, and probably 2016 too.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 03, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
every election is the same.   Most conservatives on getbig as scared to commit to positions until after the candidate is decided.  They can't say how they feel about the friggin patriot act.  and they always try to tell us a RINO is the only one that can win.  08, 12, and probably 2016 too.

Replace positions with :

Issues
Policy
Candidate
etc..

and that statement will still be accurate.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 11, 2015, 09:45:13 AM
Ohio, New Mexico the Best Presidential Bellwethers
How all the states stack up over the past 30 elections
Kyle Kondik, Managing Editor, Sabato's Crystal Ball
June 11th, 2015

The Buckeye State, long recognized as perhaps the nation’s premier presidential swing state, deserves its status. In the 30 presidential elections since 1896, Ohio has correctly picked the winner 28 times.

Ohio has company at the top though — it beats out another top presidential swing state, New Mexico, by only a hair. Like Ohio, the Land of Enchantment has also only been incorrect twice, but because statehood arrived in 1912, its record is just 24-2, and thus it has a slightly lower batting average (92%) than Ohio (93%).

The other states with the best records since 1896 are Illinois and Nevada, which voted with the winner 26 of the last 30 elections. However, Illinois is not a particularly good predictor anymore, as it is now consistently several points more Democratic than the nation as whole (the same thing appears to be happening in New Mexico, which has the nation’s most Hispanic electorate and which also has become more reliably Democratic).

Another state that is not as reliable a predictor of the national mood as it used to be is Missouri, which The Economist rightly observed prior to the 2004 election had “an almost mythical reputation in American presidential politics” as a bellwether. That year, the Show Me State voted for George W. Bush, correctly picking the winner as it had in every election over the past century but one (1956, when it backed Adlai Stevenson over Dwight Eisenhower). But Missouri went against the grain and narrowly resisted Barack Obama despite his big win in 2008, and then it went comfortably for Mitt Romney in Obama’s second victory. The state now appears to be at least a few points more Republican than the nation as a whole.

Generally, the states with the worst records since 1896 are the states of the Deep South. This is no surprise. In the early 1900s, most southern states voted for Democratic losers before turning Republican, while occasionally supporting third-party candidates in the middle of the century. Of the 11 states of the old confederacy, only two — Peripheral South states Florida and Tennessee — have correctly picked more than 70% of the presidential winners since 1896. Meanwhile, the only two states with a sub-50% mark in the last 30 elections are the Deep South’s Alabama and Mississippi.

They are joined in the sub-.500 camp by the non-state that gets to cast electoral votes: Washington, DC. Since being granted presidential electors in time for the 1964 campaign, DC has had the same record of picking presidential winners (six of 13) as the party its voters have supported in all of its elections, the Democrats.

Maine and Vermont’s relatively poor records stem from the fact that they were the only two states to never support Franklin D. Roosevelt. It is unthinkable today to regard those states as being solidly Republican, but they once were. (Alaska and Hawaii never had the chance to back FDR because they weren’t states when he was on the ballot.)

Nearly half the states — 23 of 50 — are in the solid 70%-79% range, generally supporting the presidential winners while going against the grain a fair number of times. The record of the states since 1896 is reflected in Map 1 and Table 1.

Map 1 and Table 1: How often states have sided with the winner in presidential elections since 1896

(http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/content/images//KDK2015061101-map1(600).png)

Note: Numbers on map indicate each state’s current number of Electoral College votes.

(http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/content/images/KDK2015061101-table1.png)

Another argument for Ohio’s bellwether status is that its statewide vote has more closely mimicked the national vote than any other state for more than a century, according to Eric Ostermeier of the University of Minnesota’s Smart Politics blog.

Ohio’s misfires came in 1944, when in the midst of World War II it supported Thomas Dewey — whose running mate was Ohio Gov. John W. Bricker — by less than 12,000 votes over FDR, and in 1960, when it comfortably preferred Richard Nixon over John F. Kennedy, the very narrow national winner. Ever since 1960 — over half a century — Ohio, alone among its peers, has a perfect record in picking presidents.

New Mexico’s misfires are more recent: in 1976 it narrowly backed Gerald Ford in his close loss to Jimmy Carter as well as Al Gore in 2000 over George W. Bush. The 2000 margin — only 366 votes — was closer in terms of raw votes than Florida (won by Bush by 537 votes). Also, one could credibly argue that New Mexico did reflect national sentiment that year — it picked Gore, who won the national popular vote — but we’re grading the states by their support of the Electoral College winner, which was Bush.

If one just included the last century’s worth of results — the 25 elections going back to 1916 — Nevada would be the king, with just one miss since then (1976, when the state and the rest of the west backed Ford over Carter). Three of the Silver State’s four misfires over the last 30 elections were supporting William Jennings Bryan (D) in his unsuccessful White House bids in 1896, 1900, and 1908. The populist Bryan performed well in the Democratic Solid South and parts of the Mountain West in his campaigns but never came particularly close to winning the presidency.

The historical record is interesting, although using a metric based on more than 100 years’ worth of elections to determine which state will be the most predictive of the 2016 outcome isn’t the right way to go about it. The best predictor of the next election, for instance, might be a state with a below-average record over the past century: our home state of Virginia. After all, no state was closer to the national popular vote in the past two elections, although it’s possible that because of demographic changes — Virginia’s electorate is more diverse than the nation as a whole — the Old Dominion’s time as a bellwether could be fleeting.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/ohio-new-mexico-the-best-presidential-bellwethers/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 17, 2015, 10:03:50 AM
But but but . . . he has four traffic tickets in eighteen years . . . .

Why Marco Rubio scares all other presidential candidates
By John Podhoretz
June 16, 2015
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Ever get the feeling the candidate who is making other candidates worry the most is Marco Rubio? Your feeling is on the money.

On Sunday, Hillary Rodham Clinton relaunched her campaign, trying to tag Republicans by saying they are singing the old Beatles song “Yesterday” — a deliberate effort to turn Rubio’s own stinging charge in April that she was a “leader from yesterday” who “began a campaign for president by promising to take us back to yesterday” back on him.

Not to be outdone, on Monday, Jeb Bush officially began his run for the presidency with a passive-aggressive assault on Rubio that implicitly linked him with Hillary: “the Washington mess,” he said, cannot be cleaned up “by electing the people who either helped create it or have proven incapable of fixing it.”

Before Bush spoke at his own campaign event, a Jeb supporter named Don Graetz who worked with Rubio in the Florida state Senate was all aggressive and no passive — he referred to Jeb as “the Florida Republican who can win.” Guess who the Florida Republican who can’t win is supposed to be.

Bush’s event was deliberately Cuban in flavor and feeling, designed to try to neutralize what would appear to be Rubio’s natural advantage with the large number of Cubans who will vote Republican in that state’s crucial February primary.

Rubio might be the scion of an immigrant Cuban family, but Jeb speaks fluent Spanish and is a devoted convert to Catholicism, the faith professed by most Cuban-Americans.

The other unquestioned top-tier Republican candidate, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, has his own clever take on Rubio that seeks to take him down a peg while praising him.

Walker privately speaks admiringly of the Florida senator and says he’d be sure he’d want Rubio . . . as his own vice presidential running mate.
As the debates get closer, you can be sure that if Rubio remains at or near the top of the leader board, rivals will target him before anyone else — with particular emphasis on his immigration-liberalization flip-flop. (He was for it until it became clear it was a no-go with Republicans on Capitol Hill, so he basically turned on his own bill.)

What is it about Rubio that makes him seem so formidable? After all, he’s a first-term senator, he doesn’t have a list of accomplishments to recite, his first major appearance (in a State of the Union response) garnered giggles for his on-air guzzle from a bottle of Poland Spring, and he has a boyish mien that makes him seem even younger than his 44 years.

Yes, as a 44-year-old, he can lay a powerful claim to being a voice of the future — but then, so can Scott Walker, who’s only three years older and has a more impressive record of achievement.

Yes, as a Latino himself, he might be able to make the kind of inroads that will cut into the Democratic advantage with Hispanics, but as his launch demonstrated, Jeb Bush might be able to do so as well.

No, what makes Rubio so frightening to others is, simply, that he is a freakishly gifted politician — and a daring one.

He chose to challenge the sitting governor of Florida, Charlie Crist, for the Republican nomination for Senate in 2009 when Crist was at 60 percent in the polls and he was at 3 — and not only knocked Crist out of the GOP race but then beat him by 20 points when Crist ran as an independent in the general election.

It was an unprecedented triumph, like a rookie pitcher winning 25 games, and only another politician knows just how seriously he must take a rival like that.

But here’s the real thing about Rubio. I’ve listened to him and watched him talk, both in private sessions and on the Senate floor in speeches you can see on YouTube.

He is, without question, the most naturally gifted off-the-cuff political speaker I have ever seen.

His fluency on subjects ranging from conflicts in the South China Sea to flexible community-college credits is, quite simply, dazzling.

His rivals will go after him with the charge that this is all glibness — and they may score with the charge. He’s a talker, they will say; I’m a doer.

Still, most of campaigning is nothing but talk.

Speeches, interviews, debates; talk is what they do.

It’s better to be a good talker than a bad talker, and it stands to reason that it’s therefore better to be a surreally great talker than a good one.

I have no idea whether Rubio will prevail in the GOP primaries next year and I have no idea whether, if he does, he will beat Hillary. What is unquestionable is that she and other Republicans fear him above all others.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/16/why-marco-rubio-scares-all-other-presidential-candidates/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 17, 2015, 10:05:54 AM
Rubio vs. Clinton Race Tight in Florida, Ohio, Pa.: Quinnipiac
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Image: Rubio vs. Clinton Race Tight in Florida, Ohio, Pa.: Quinnipiac (Scott Olson/Getty Images; Andrew Burton/Getty Images)
By Melanie Batley     
Wednesday, 17 Jun 2015

In a matchup with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio does best among eight top GOP contenders in the three crucial swing states of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, a new poll has found.

According to the Quinnipiac University poll conducted June 4-15, Clinton leads or is in too-close-to-call matchups in each state. The one exception is Ohio, where that state's governor, John Kasich, leads Clinton 47 percent to 40 percent.

In Florida, Clinton has 47 percent support, while Rubio has 44 percent.
In Ohio, Clinton has 45 percent, while Rubio draws 42 percent.
In Pennsylvania, Rubio has 44 percent, while Clinton gets 43 percent.

The poll also found that, by margins of 8 to 14 points, voters in each state say the Democratic front-runner is not honest and trustworthy.

"It's a long way until Election Day, but in the critical swing states of Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida has a tiny edge over the GOP field," Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac poll, said in a statement.

"Most of the eight GOP hopefuls are within striking distance of Secretary Hillary Clinton in at least one of the three states."

The poll also found that Clinton's favorability ratings are 47-45 percent in Florida, a negative 44-48 percent in Ohio, and 46-48 percent in Pennsylvania.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/rubio-clinton-poll-florida/2015/06/17/id/650906/#ixzz3dL8fUXge
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 17, 2015, 10:06:14 AM
youre bending over backwards to defend rubio 24/7.   He's your #1 pick, huh?   I just think he'll rattle too easy.  I like candidated more seasoned with gravitas.  Rubio dribbles water when he's nervous - you don't get that with a rudy, huck, romney, jeb or a christie.  Rubio is too green.   seems like you love the dude tho, going so far out of your way to defend him.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 17, 2015, 10:19:22 AM
youre bending over backwards to defend rubio 24/7.   He's your #1 pick, huh?   I just think he'll rattle too easy.  I like candidated more seasoned with gravitas.  Rubio dribbles water when he's nervous - you don't get that with a rudy, huck, romney, jeb or a christie.  Rubio is too green.   seems like you love the dude tho, going so far out of your way to defend him.  

This is why I ignore you, you dishonest troll.  lol
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Option D on June 17, 2015, 11:08:06 AM
This is why I ignore you, you dishonest troll.  lol

What did he say that was dishonest?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 17, 2015, 12:21:41 PM
What did he say that was dishonest?

Lately, repubs have a shitload of weak rino candidates, or crazy ass trump.  They can't defend not attack them. So hey attack other getbig members.  Easier than admitting they like or dislike trump and the liberal parade.   Coach still won't answer the qs I posted yesterday but has attacked me continually. 

These getbiggers don't know what to think until rush tells them.  And even rush is baffled right now.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 17, 2015, 12:55:23 PM
What did he say that was dishonest?

Pretty much everything he said (and typically says) is false, but the first two sentences are dishonest.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 22, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
Quinnipiac: Edge in Florida, Ohio Senate Races Goes to Democrats
By Loren Gutentag   
Monday, 22 Jun 2015

The 2016 Senate races are still in the early stages, but according a Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll released Monday, Democratic candidates hold small leads in Florida and Ohio.

Republican incumbent Sen. Pat Toomey is ahead in Pennsylvania in the Quinnipiac poll, despite a recent Washington Post analysis that gives Democrats a likely win in that state.

"All three swing states are expected to have very competitive U.S. Senate races. None of the candidates in Florida are well-known to voters, while the Pennsylvania and Ohio races involve candidates who have run statewide previously," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac poll.

"Democrats hold an early edge in the Sunshine State, but no candidate from either party has much visibility at this point."

In possible matchups for the Senate race in Florida:
Democratic Rep. Patrick Murphy tops Republican Lt. Gov. Carlos Lopez-Cantera 40-28 percent.
Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson also bests Lopez-Cantera by 37-31 percent.
Murphy is ahead of Republican Rep. Ron DeSantis by 39-31 percent.
Grayson is also favored over DeSantis by 38-32 percent of those polled.

According the poll, however,  the candidates in Florida are largely unknown at this point, with the percentage of voters saying they knew little about them ranging from 62 percent for Grayson to 81 percent for the others.

"The U.S. Senate candidates in Florida," said Brown, "might want to put their pictures on milk cartons to increase their visibility."

In Ohio's Senate race, according to the Quinnipiac poll:
Former Gov. Ted Strickland, a Democrat, has a 46-40 percent lead over Sen. Rob Portman, a Republican who is up for re-election in 2016.
Portman tops Cincinnati City Council member P.G. Sittenfeld by a wide margin, 49-24 percent.
Portman has a 49-28 percent job approval and a 43-21 percent favorability rating, while Strickland gets a 47-29 percent favorability rating.
Eighty-five percent of voters said they haven’t heard enough about Sittenfeld to form an opinion.
Gov. John Kasich has a 60-30 percent job approval rating and U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown a 50-31 percent job approval rating.

In Pennsylvania as in Ohio, the major candidates are well-known, Quinnipiac's Brown said.

The results for the Senate race in Pennsylvania are, at this point:
Republican incumbent Sen. Pat Toomey leads possible Democratic challenger Joe Sestak 47-36 percent in a rematch of the 2010 Senate race.
Toomey gets a 51-28 percent job approval rating and a 47-24 percent favorability rating.
Toomey is also preferred over another Democrat, Allentown Mayor Ed Pawlowski, by 52-28 percent of those polled.
Fifty-eight percent of voters said they haven’t heard enough about Sestak to form an opinion of him, and 85 percent haven’t heard enough about Pawlowski.
Pennsylvania voters also approve, 47-32 percent, of the job Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf is doing and give Sen. Robert Casey, also a Democrat, a 48-29 percent job approval rating.

But the polls are a still-early snapshot, and the "betting is that when Election Day comes all three of these Senate races will be close," Brown said.

The June 4-15 Quinnipiac poll surveyed 1,147 Florida voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points; 1,191 Ohio voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points; and 970 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/senate-2016-races-florida/2015/06/22/id/651602/#ixzz3doyP0A2G
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 09, 2015, 09:32:18 AM
Karl Rove: Populists Like Trump, Sanders Can't Win Major Party Nod
By Cathy Burke     
Wednesday, 08 Jul 2015

Presidential candidates Sen. Bernie Sanders and real estate tycoon Donald Trump both draw on the populist wings of their parties, but neither will win the nomination – and both could make the campaign trail rockier for whoever does, GOP political analyst Karl Rove says.

In a commentary piece for the Wall Street Journal Wednesday night, the former deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush and American Crossroads PAC organizer writes the Democratic contender Sanders and GOP candidate Trump have one thing in common: Both are "disrupters" who "are planning to hang around."

"Mr. Sanders, an ideological true-believer, wants to drag his party further left,'' Rove writes. "Mr. Trump wants to draw attention and become a political force. It will be interesting to see how other White House hopefuls handle these disruptive intraparty rivals."

"Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump won’t win their party’s nomination," Rove adds. "But in trying, they could make the path to the White House that much rockier for whoever eventually does.

So far, Rove notes, Sanders has gained about 250,000 donors and turned out huge crowds in Iowa, Wisconsin, Maine and New Hampshire – cutting into Hillary Clinton's lead in Iowa to 34 points from 51, and her margin in New Hampshire to 16 from 37.

"Mrs. Clinton is dealing with Mr. Sanders’s challenge by moving left," Rove writes. "Mr. Sanders could also pull her so far left in the primaries as to create openings for Republicans to exploit in the general election."

Meanwhile, Trump's rise to 6.5 percent in the Real Clear Politics average "comes at the expense of others competing for the same space, including neurosurgeon Ben Carson, [Texas] Sen. Ted Cruz and [Wisconsin] Gov. Scott Walker," Rove writes. "None of them is as blunt and outrageous in tapping into resentment as Mr. Trump."

"The response of GOP candidates to Mr. Trump should be guided by the June 23 Fox News Poll showing that 64 percent of Republicans, 69 percent of conservatives and 55 percent of tea party members consider his candidacy a sideshow," Rove writes, charging his favorable ratings are the worst of 106 presidential candidates since 1980.

"Mr. Trump is disliked by 57 percent of his own party," Rove writes.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/karl-rove-populists-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/2015/07/08/id/654131/#ixzz3fPdrKVBn
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on July 09, 2015, 10:32:32 AM
Karl Rove: Populists Like Trump, Sanders Can't Win Major Party Nod

LOL after recent elections, I'm pretty sure we should roll with the opposite of whatever Rove says.

When all-time great getbig thinkers like HH6 are starting to like trump, as he mentioned earlier in a post, I think Trump may just have a chance of stealing this.

Note, Trump is a blowhard egomaniac secret liberal, but his message and no-BS attitude is really resonating with people.  They won't CARE that he's really wrong about 20% of the time cause they love so much of the other 80% of what he says.  He's like the girl that can't cook and may wreck your car, but she makes great $ and is awesome in bed.  Ya put up with the nonsense.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 16, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
Poll: Any GOP Hopeful Beats Hillary in 6 Battleground States
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Image: Poll: Any GOP Hopeful Beats Hillary in 6 Battleground States (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
By Melanie Batley   
Thursday, 16 Jul 2015

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would lose to a generic Republican presidential candidate in six battleground states if the election were held today, a new poll has found.

The poll, commissioned by the conservative super PAC American Crossroads, was conducted by Vox Populi from July 7-8 of 1,670 registered voters. It found that in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, Ohio and Virginia, a Republican candidate would win with 50 percent of the vote while Clinton would draw 42 percent.

The same survey in May found that in a matchup with a Republican, Clinton would lose by a 10-point margin at 41 percent compared to 51 percent.

"Despite three months of campaigning and trying to rehabilitate her image, Hillary Clinton continues to struggle in key battleground states," Ian Prior, the communications director for American Crossroads, said in a statement, according to The Hill.

"As rumors of Joe Biden's entry into the race grow, Democrats should pay very close attention to Hillary's glaring and irreparable weaknesses."

The poll also found that just 38 percent of voters in those states have a favorable view of Clinton while 53 percent have an unfavorable view. And a majority of voters surveyed, or 56 percent, say they don't trust Clinton, while 58 percent believe she would "do or say anything" to get elected.

Meanwhile, more respondents said they would prefer seeing Vice President Joe Biden as the next president in a matchup with Clinton, 34 percent compared to 30 percent.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/hillary-florida-ohio-colorado/2015/07/16/id/657350/#ixzz3g5Xv68NQ
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on July 16, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
Poll: Any GOP Hopeful Beats Hillary in 6 Battleground States
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Image: Poll: Any GOP Hopeful Beats Hillary in 6 Battleground States (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
By Melanie Batley   
Thursday, 16 Jul 2015

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would lose to a generic Republican presidential candidate in six battleground states if the election were held today, a new poll has found.

The poll, commissioned by the conservative super PAC American Crossroads, was conducted by Vox Populi from July 7-8 of 1,670 registered voters. It found that in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, Ohio and Virginia, a Republican candidate would win with 50 percent of the vote while Clinton would draw 42 percent.

The same survey in May found that in a matchup with a Republican, Clinton would lose by a 10-point margin at 41 percent compared to 51 percent.

"Despite three months of campaigning and trying to rehabilitate her image, Hillary Clinton continues to struggle in key battleground states," Ian Prior, the communications director for American Crossroads, said in a statement, according to The Hill.

"As rumors of Joe Biden's entry into the race grow, Democrats should pay very close attention to Hillary's glaring and irreparable weaknesses."

The poll also found that just 38 percent of voters in those states have a favorable view of Clinton while 53 percent have an unfavorable view. And a majority of voters surveyed, or 56 percent, say they don't trust Clinton, while 58 percent believe she would "do or say anything" to get elected.

Meanwhile, more respondents said they would prefer seeing Vice President Joe Biden as the next president in a matchup with Clinton, 34 percent compared to 30 percent.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/hillary-florida-ohio-colorado/2015/07/16/id/657350/#ixzz3g5Xv68NQ

38% favorability??  ???

That's pitiful.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 16, 2015, 01:59:18 PM
38% favorability??  ???

That's pitiful.

Yep.  She certainly doesn't appear to be the juggernaut the media and others portrayed her to be.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 16, 2015, 04:12:38 PM
How many elections has a Clinton lost to a Republican?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on July 16, 2015, 05:29:28 PM
How many elections has a Clinton lost to a Republican?

about as many as Trump's won. 

still, repubs love him. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on July 16, 2015, 07:16:09 PM
you guys HAVE to stop voting for the lesser of 2 evils...

seriously...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 20, 2015, 02:46:55 PM
Top 4 money takeaways for 2016
By Theodore Schleifer, CNN
Thu July 16, 2015

Washington (CNN)Nearly every presidential candidate released on Wednesday released detailed financial portraits of how their campaign fares entering the summer. The sums are important, but six months before any votes are cast, the tea leaves tell us more.

Bernie Sanders and Ben Carson could raise tons of money
The sums raised by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, $15 million, and neurosurgeon Ben Carson, $8.5 million, aren't jaw-dropping by themselves. Yet what should make their campaigns more intimidating to their party's frontrunners is the percentage of those funds that came from small-dollar donors.

Sanders, the Democratic socialist posing a surprising challenge to Hillary Clinton, raised 77% of his money in chunks less than $200, what the Federal Elections Commission considers a low-dollar contribution. And Carson brought in 67% of his money in similarly sized donations.

Here's what that means: Sanders and Carson can return to their large donor lists for another $150 again and again and again. Their donors are not "maxed out" -- they haven't yet hit the $2,700 contribution limit the FEC sets for each individual each cycle. So though Sanders and Carson sit well behind the Democratic and Republican frontrunners for the presidential nomination, they have access to potentially gallons of water to draw upon waiting in the well.

That can't be said of Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush in the same way
One of the dynastic candidates' strengths entering 2016 is their families' ties to the fundraising networks. And Wednesday's data didn't dispute that: Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush raised $11.4 million thanks in part to the path-breaking bundling network invented by his brother, and Clinton's $45 million from the Democratic establishment gives her a tremendous advantage.

But very little of their money comes from the grassroots donors that Sanders and Carson have captured. A measly 3% of Bush's money came in small amounts. That's in part because he only had two weeks as an official candidate to raise donations for his official campaign, but it marks a stark contrast with Carson.

Clinton fared better: 17% of her cash came in less-than-$200 increments. But read another way, it presents a problem for the Democrats' leading candidate: more than 60% of Clinton's contributions came from donors who aren't allowed to give again in the primary race.

Some campaigns are spending a lot already
What unites Clinton and Carson is their high level of spending in the opening weeks of their campaigns. Both campaigns boast a relatively high "burn rate" -- the proportion of the money raised that is spent.

That rate is looked to by operatives and rivals to gauge how lean a campaign is, especially in the early stages when few candidates have begun to spend on television ads. Carson's burn rate of 64% is driven by high staff salaries -- and that will likely be a drag on his campaign for the duration. Clinton's burn rate was 40%, according to her FEC filing.

Other campaigns burned by their rate: Donald Trump, who ditched 74% of his money in the first quarter; Rick Santorum, who spent 62% of his; and Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz and Rick Perry, the only other candidates with a rate above 50% this quarter.

If a campaign wants to go deep into primary season -- especially if it doesn't have a well-funded super PAC that it can use as a lifeline -- a high burn rate can spell trouble.

Wednesday doesn't even come close to revealing the full picture
The reports out Wednesday begin to outline the contours of the 2016 fundraising battle. The super PAC filings out in two weeks will tell us the names waging it.

The campaign committees are expected to raise far less than the super PACs independently backing their bids. These groups, which are allowed to accept contributions of unlimited size as long as they don't coordinate spending with the campaign, will show sums far exceeding the differences between individual campaigns.

The other signal to be followed in those reports: Big-ticket Democratic donors have largely made their choice -- Clinton. But who are the Republicans' biggest moneymen lining up behind? There are some Republican donors who will give millions of dollars this cycle. Even if they're only ponying up a few hundred thousand in June, their next contribution could be 10 times as large when the Iowa caucuses beckon.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/politics/campaign-finance-2016-election-takeaways/index.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 27, 2015, 09:24:54 AM
Clinton, Carson lead fundraising in Iowa
Brianne Pfannenstiel, bpfannenst@dmreg.com
July 25, 2015
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If dollars were votes, Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Ben Carson would be winning the Iowa caucuses.

The two candidates have so far gathered the most money from Iowa donors, according to campaign finance data from the Federal Election Commission.

Former Secretary of State Clinton tops the list, pulling in 168 donations totaling $51,891 by the close of the fundraising period June 30. Just behind her is Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, who raised $43,633 from 172 Iowa contributions.

Jeff Kaufmann, chairman of the Iowa Republican Party, said at first he was surprised to see Carson leading the GOP pack in terms of money raised, but it matches what he's observed of Carson's campaign.

"I knew his ground game was second to none, and I know he has energy and enthusiasm among his supporters," he said. "I think Ben Carson is going to compete. I think he's got the trifecta in terms of what it takes to win a caucus: network, enthusiasm and some dollars."

However, experts say a strong fundraising showing in Iowa is no reason to flock to a candidate — or to write off another.

"It really has no correlation whatsoever" with who has the most support, said Doug Gross, a Republican strategist and former chief of staff to Gov. Terry Branstad. As a presidential candidate, "you spend money in Iowa; you don't raise it."

Who's spending most

On the other side of the balance sheet, neither Clinton nor Carson is the top spender in Iowa.

That title belongs to U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, a Republican from Texas who has spent $758,804 in the state — over $300,000 more than any other candidate.

Most of that went to a call center in Brooklyn, Ia., for fundraising phone calls. Nearly everything else was spent on hotels, food and facility rentals.

"That's prospecting — trying to persuade," Gross said of the call center spending. "He knows he's got to leave it all on the field, here."

In spending in Iowa, Clinton falls to second place and Carson slips to sixth, with each campaign paying out $446,133 and $65,070, respectively.

Sitting at the bottom: former New York Gov. George Pataki, a Republican, who recorded no expenditures in the state. Just above him: Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, also a Republican, spent $443 on a single round of food and drinks.

Nationally, Clinton is the largest fundraiser, with $47.5 million from all sources, including political committees. Rounding out the top five: Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont who's seeking the Democratic nomination, $15.2 million; Cruz, $14.3 million; former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, a Republican, $11.4 million; and Carson, $10.6 million.

Three Republican governors who were the latest to enter the race — Chris Christie of New Jersey, who announced on June 30, the last day of the filing period, and Scott Walker of Wisconsin and John Kasich of Ohio, who announced in July — do not yet have data to report. Earlier entrants like Cruz, who was the first to jump into the race back in March, had more time than others to raise and spend money.

The big money, though, has been raised and spent through super political action committees — independent organizations that can raise unlimited funds in support of a candidate, but cannot by law contribute to a candidate or coordinate directly with a campaign.

Those organizations must file their financial data with the FEC by the end of the day Friday, but some have already made announcements about their hauls. A super PAC called Right to Rise USA, which supports Bush, announced earlier this month it had reached $103 million in contributions.

Many experts say this election year will be the most expensive on record by far, largely because of the rise of super PACs in the wake of the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision. The court ruled that political spending is free speech, and that corporations or unions, as long as they act independently of a party or candidate, can spend unlimited amounts on political activities.

The ground game

Whether it's through campaign contributions or super PAC money, Gross said every candidate who wants to do well in the caucuses needs to make a strong commitment to campaigning in the state. That commitment can be reflected in how much time they spend in Iowa and how much money they're spending on things associated with organization — expenses like salaries, travel and hotels, he said.

Kaufmann said it's also useful to look at how many individual contributions have been made to candidates. That can indicate grass-roots support from people who don't write a big check, but still donate.

Carson tops the list with 172 donations averaging $254. Clinton follows him with 168 donations averaging $309. Cruz is next with 133 donations averaging $150.

Kaufmann said the act of giving a small amount or even signing some kind of pledge to caucus for a candidate can be just as valuable as the large checks.

"This is an old-fashioned statement, perhaps it's cliché, but I believe signing your name, giving your promise, looking someone in the eye — I really believe for Iowans that still matters," he said. "That's one of the many reasons I believe we still deserve our first-in-the-nation status."

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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/07/26/campaign-fundraising-hillary-clinton-ben-carson/30680553/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 03, 2015, 06:44:22 PM
Fox News Poll: New high for Trump, new low for Clinton
By Dana Blanton
Published August 03, 2015
FoxNews.com

Businessman Donald Trump continues to gain ground in the race for the Republican nomination.  What’s more, the number of GOP primary voters saying they would at least consider backing Trump has more than doubled in the last two months.  Meanwhile, support for Democratic frontrunner former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton remains high, despite sliding to its lowest yet. 

These are some of the findings from the latest Fox News national poll on the 2016 presidential race.

Trump receives the backing of 26 percent of self-identified Republican primary voters -- up from 18 percent in mid-July and 11 percent a month ago. That’s not only the highest level of support for Trump, but it’s also the highest any GOP candidate has received since the Fox poll began asking the question in December 2013. 

Trump’s rise hasn’t hurt former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who garners 15 percent and is the only other Republican in double-digits.  He was at 14 percent in mid-July and 15 percent in June.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

Behind Trump and Bush, it’s Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker at 9 percent, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 7 percent, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at 6 percent each, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at 5 percent a piece, and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Ohio Gov. John Kasich get 3 percent each. 

That group is followed by businesswoman Carly Fiorina and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum tied at 2 percent, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal tied at 1 percent and former New York Gov. George Pataki, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham and former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore receive less than 1 percent support.

Two Republicans threw their hat in the ring in the last two weeks.  Kasich formally announced July 21 and his support went from two percent in mid-July to three percent in the new poll.  Gilmore made his candidacy official July 30. 

Men (29 percent) are a bit more likely than women (24 percent) to back Trump -- yet he’s the top vote-getter for both. 

Another example of GOP primary voters increasingly liking what they hear from Trump:  34 percent say they would “definitely” vote for him, which is more than four times what it was two months ago (8 percent).

And the number who would “never” support Trump dropped 26 percentage points: it was 59 percent in June and 33 percent now.  Graham (40 percent), Christie (34 percent) and Pataki (34 percent) now have more voters than the Donald saying they would never vote for them. 

Only nine percent would “never” vote for Walker.  That gives him the best rating among GOP candidates on that measure, although he’s also one of the least well-known candidates: 47 percent say they “want more information” about him before deciding their vote.

Winning isn’t everything -- or at least electability isn’t foremost in the minds of GOP primary voters right now. When asked what they want in their party’s nominee, they say being a strong leader (29 percent) matters more than having true conservative values (20 percent), beating the Democrat (13 percent), having the right experience (13 percent) and shaking things up in Washington (13 percent).

Those who prioritize strong leadership are most likely to back Trump (29 percent), Bush (19 percent), Walker (10 percent), Rubio (7 percent), Kasich (5 percent) and Paul (5 percent). 

While 40 percent of GOP primary voters say economic issues will be most important in deciding their vote for the party’s nomination, some 31 percent say national security will matter most.  Another 12 percent say immigration issues will be most important and 7 percent say social issues.

Trump is ahead among some sought-after GOP constituencies.  For example, the current favorites among the Tea Party movement are Trump (33 percent), Walker (15 percent), Cruz (13 percent) and Carson (10 percent).  The top picks among white evangelical Christians include Trump (22 percent), Bush (17 percent), Carson (10 percent), Huckabee (10 percent) and Walker (10 percent).

What if Trump were out of the picture? Republican primary voters were also asked about their second choice candidate, which allows a look at the state of the race if a current candidate were to drop out. Here’s how things stand without Trump: Bush gets 20 percent, followed by Walker at 13 percent, Carson and Cruz at 9 percent, Huckabee at 8 percent, Paul, Rubio and Christie tie at 6 percent, Kasich at 4 percent, and Perry, Fiorina and Santorum get 2 percent each. 

Switching to the Democratic side, Clinton is still the favorite among self-identified Democratic primary voters.  She receives 51 percent while Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders comes in at 22 percent.  Yet that is Clinton’s worst showing -- and Sanders’ best.  Support for Clinton was 59 percent two weeks ago, 61 percent a month ago -- and has been as high as 63 percent in the months since Sanders entered the race.  Vice President Joe Biden, who is said to be considering a run, sits at 13 percent support.

By an 18-point margin, Republican primary voters (74 percent) are more likely than their Democratic counterparts (56 percent) to be extremely or very interested in the 2016 election.

Overall, voters say the economy is the most important issue facing the country (30 percent).  Next it’s terrorism and health care (11 percent each). Less than one voter in 10 says the top problem is immigration (7 percent), foreign policy (7 percent), the federal deficit (7 percent), race relations (5 percent), climate change (5 percent), gay marriage (3 percent), taxes (3 percent) and abortion (2 percent). 

The economy is the top concern for both Democrats and Republicans.  Health care comes in second for Democrats, while for Republicans it is terrorism. 

Voters split on the job Barack Obama is doing as president:  46 percent approve and 46 percent disapprove.  Two weeks ago it was 47-48 percent (July 13-15, 2015).  A year ago, 42 percent of voters approved and 49 percent disapproved (August 2014).

Eighty-two percent of Democrats approve of Obama’s performance, while 85 percent of Republicans disapprove.  Among independents, it is 37 percent approve and 49 percent disapprove.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,306 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from July 30-August 2, 2015. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters, and four points for both Democratic and Republican primary voters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/03/fox-news-poll-new-high-for-trump-new-low-for-clinton/?intcmp=hpbt1
Title: Re: Election 2016 - Democrats hold early advantage
Post by: Dos Equis on August 10, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
Giuliani: Trump, Hillary Won't Be the Nominees
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By Melanie Batley
Monday, 10 Aug 2015

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani does not believe Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton will end up living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue when the dust settles from the 2016 campaign, the New York Daily News reported.

"Donald Trump must be drinking the Kool-Aid if he thinks he’s going to be president," a Daily News insider reported overhearing Giuliani say.

"Donald is really smart, and he knows how to create great theater," the inside source reported Giuliani telling "several guests."

"If he hadn’t (qualified for) the debates, Fox should’ve paid him to be in them. Fox should be grateful. If it wasn’t for (New Jersey Gov. Chris) Christie and Trump, it wouldn’t have been that exciting."

The 2008 presidential contender, who has been friends with Trump for 25 years, made the comments at a private event in New York, according to the newspaper.

Giuliani has, however, been publicly supportive of the real estate tycoon. Shortly before the debate, Giuliani said publicly that Trump reminds him of former President Ronald Reagan.

"This is a very smart guy," Giuliani told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on "Hardball." "This is a person who is media-savvy in ways that some of the other candidates aren’t. And he’s a lot more substantive than you realize."

Giuliani did not have positive predictions for Clinton, either.

"I’m not so sure she’ll make it through the primaries or win the general election," the source quoted Giuliani as having said. "I think it’s wide open for (Ohio Gov. John) Kasich, Christie, (Wisconsin Gov. Scott) Walker, (former Florida Gov. Jeb) Bush, or (Florida Sen. Marco) Rubio to take it away from her."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/giuliani-trump-gop-nominee/2015/08/10/id/669337/#ixzz3iRVecCFw
Title: Re: Election 2016 - Democrats hold early advantage
Post by: 240 is Back on August 10, 2015, 01:56:53 PM
Giuliani: Trump, Hillary Won't Be the Nominees

How does hilary lose?   Bernie is popular but she'll wreck in him on infrastructure alone. 

I hate hilary, but her winning nomination seems like a foregone conclusion. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 11, 2015, 03:31:11 PM
Clinton Trails Four GOPers in Latest Iowa Poll
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@ELIANAYJOHNSON   
August 11, 2015 1:37 PM 

The latest PPP poll out of Iowa shows Hillary Clinton trailing four Republican candidates in head-to-head matchups.  Ben Carson performs best against the former secretary of state, besting her by by four percentage points, 44-40, while former Florida governor Jeb Bush performs the worst. He trails her by four points, 44-40. The other three GOPers who came out ahead of Clinton are Wisconsin governor Scott Walker and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee — lead her 44-43 — and Florida senator Marco Rubio, who leads her 43-42. Kentucky senator Rand Paul and real-estate mogul Donald Trump both trail Clinton by three points, 43-40, and Texas senator Ted Cruz; former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina; New Jersey governor Chris Chrisite; and Ohio governor John Kasich all trail her by two points. The poll’s margin of error is four points, so all of the results remain, of course, with the margin.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/422407/whats-wrong-four-percent-growth-target-ramesh-ponnuru
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 27, 2015, 01:56:21 PM
Quinnipiac: Biden More Competitive Than Clinton Against GOP

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Image: Quinnipiac: Biden More Competitive Than Clinton Against GOP  (AP) 
Thursday, 27 Aug 2015

Here's one more reason to continue speculating about whether Vice President Joe Biden will enter the presidential race: he polls better nationally against the leading three Republican candidates than Hillary Clinton, and has a higher favorability rating, too.

According to a Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday, if Biden was the democratic candidate, he would beat Donald Trump by eight points (48 - 40 percent), former Florida Governor Jeb Bush by six points (45 - 39) and Senator Marco Rubio by three points (44 - 41). Clinton only beats Trump by four points (45 - 41), Bush by two points (42 - 40) and Rubio by one point (44 - 43).

Eighty-three percent of Democrats view Biden favorably, compared to 76 percent and 54 percent who approve of Clinton and Vermont Senator Sanders, respectively. Among all registered voters, Biden has a 48 percent favorability rating, while Clinton came in at 39 percent and Sanders at 32 percent.

“Note to Biden: They like you, they really like you, or they like you more than the others,” Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a press release accompanying the poll. “If he is sitting on the fence, his scores in the matchups and his favorability ratings may compel him to say, ‘Let's do this.’”

The good news for Clinton is that she's still leading the race to become the Democratic nominee—45 percent of Democrats polled would choose Clinton as the party nominee, 22 percent would choose Sanders and 18 percent would choose Biden. No other Democrat polls above 1 percent.

The ongoing questions about Clinton's private e-mail server may have created an opening for Biden, who is expected to make a decision on whether he'll enter the race or not by Oct. 1. A Biden run would provide nervous Democrats an alternative to Clinton. Last week, a separate Quinnipiac poll found that Biden performed as well as or better than Clinton against leading Republicans in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, three swing states seen as key to winning the general election.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/biden-clinton-2016-gop/2015/08/27/id/672121/#ixzz3k3Do5sZt

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 03, 2015, 02:29:08 PM
2016 General Election Match Ups Close
September 03, 2015

PPP's newest national poll finds that Hillary Clinton generally holds modest leads over the Republican field for President, with Ben Carson faring the strongest among the GOP hopefuls.

Carson earns a tie with Clinton at 44%, and he actually leads Bernie Sanders 42/36 in a head to head. Carson is the only declared candidate with a positive favorability rating- 41% of voters nationally see him positively to only 30% who have a negative opinion. He earns a tie with Clinton on the basis of a 43/35 advantage with independents.

The other candidates who come really close to Clinton are Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina, who are each down by just 2. Fiorina trails Clinton 45/43, and is down 39/38 to Sanders. Trump is down just 2 points as well at 46/44, and he leads Sanders 43/42. It used to be that nominating Trump looked like it would be an unmitigated disaster for the GOP but as he's gotten stronger in Republican polls, he's also gotten stronger in general election polling and is now doing better against Clinton than the perceived 'electable' candidate trio of Bush, Rubio, and Walker. Interestingly Joe Biden actually does far better than both Clinton and Sanders against Trump, with a 6 point advantage at 47/41. Biden joins Carson as the second person with a positive rating in this poll at 43/40.

The news of Trump possibly forgoing a third party bid is very good for the GOP. We find that he would actually earn more support than Jeb Bush in a three way contest, getting 27% to Bush's 23% and leaving Clinton with a landslide victory at 42%. Bush leads Trump only 46/44 with Republican voters in that scenario, and gets 31% of independents to only 19% for Bush.

The weakest performing Republicans against Clinton are Scott Walker who trails by 7 at 47/40, and Mike Huckabee who trails by 6 at 48/42. In the middle are Ted Cruz who's down 5 at 47/42, John Kasich who's down 5 at 44/39, and Marco Rubio who's down at 47/43.
We tested Jeb Bush against Clinton, Sanders, and Biden to get a sense of their relative strength as general election candidates. Clinton (a 4 point lead over Bush at 46/42) and Biden (a 3 point lead over Bush at 44/41) do quite similarly. Sanders does a little bit worse, trailing Bush by a point at 41/40.

Finally we rounded up a bunch of the 'joke candidates' who have filed with the FEC to see who America's favorite is from that crew. The winner is Captain Crunch with 17%, followed by Deez Nuts at 9%, Beast Mode at 5%, Queen Elsa Ice at 4%, Butt Stuff at 3%, Cranky Pants at 2%, and Limberbutt McCubbins and 'Murican Cookies each at 1%.

Polling joke candidates has been fun, but we're going to take a break now and stick to serious people like Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Kanye.

Full results here

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/09/2016-general-election-match-ups-close.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 04, 2015, 01:43:11 PM
it is funny to read these month to month progressions. the 'experts' are basically no more accurate than the people on this board lmao.

right now, JOE BIDEN is beating EVERYBODY. lets bump this next year for a hearty laugh.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 11, 2015, 10:08:12 AM
2016 election candidates
Updated September 9, 2015
Who's in? Who's out? CNN Politics gives you a guide to the field of potential candidates for the 2016 presidential race.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/05/politics/2016-election-candidates/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: whork on September 11, 2015, 10:19:35 AM
it is funny to read these month to month progressions. the 'experts' are basically no more accurate than the people on this board lmao.

right now, JOE BIDEN is beating EVERYBODY. lets bump this next year for a hearty laugh.

Yup and i think its awesome.

It has made politics much more exiting.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 24, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
Quinnipiac Poll: Carson, Biden Strongest in General Election
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By Loren Gutentag
Thursday, 24 Sep 2015

Although Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton still lead the presidential nomination for their respective parties, a new Quinnipiac University national poll shows that Vice President Joe Biden and Dr. Ben Carson run strongest in general election matchups.

In the Democratic race:
Clinton gets 43 percent, Sen. Bernie Sanders 25 percent, and Biden -- who has yet to decide whether to run – gets 18 percent.

In the Republican race:
Trump leads with 25 percent, Carson gets 17 percent, Carly Fiorina third with 12 percent and Jeb Bush next with 10 percent; no other GOP White House contenders polled in double digits

In general election match-ups:
Clinton is 2 percentage points ahead of Trump and Carson leads her with 7 percentage points.
Biden has an 11 point lead vs. Trump and ties with Carson, 45 – 45 percent.
Biden also runs ahead of Fiorina and Bush while Clinton slightly trails behind both.

The poll reveals that Clinton and Trump are seen by respondents as the least honest and trustworthy among all candidates.

Voters say 63 – 32 percent, including 68 – 26 percent among independent voters, that Clinton is not honest and trustworthy.

Voters say 57 – 35 percent, including 56 – 36 percent among independent voters, that Trump is not honest and trustworthy.

And although Biden has yet to announce a run for White House, he has the best honesty and trustworthy scores along with Carson with 62 percent of respondents saying Biden is honest and trustworthy and 63 percent for Carson.

From September 17 – 21, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,574 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones. The survey includes 737 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 3.6 percentage points and 587 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Poll-Joe-Biden-Ben-Carson-President/2015/09/24/id/693032/#ixzz3mfvzvzSA
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 24, 2015, 09:49:34 AM
Fox News Poll: Outsiders rule 2016 GOP field, support for Biden nearly doubles
By Dana Blanton
Published September 24, 2015
FoxNews.com

Most Republicans feel betrayed by their party -- and show their displeasure by supporting outsiders over establishment candidates in the GOP presidential race.

Real-estate mogul Donald Trump and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson are the favorites in the Republican race in the latest Fox News national poll on the 2016 election.  Neither has held elected office before and yet the two of them -- together with businesswoman Carly Fiorina -- capture the support of more than half of GOP primary voters.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

On the Democratic side, support for Vice President Joe Biden -- who is still considering a run -- has almost doubled since August.  But make no mistake: Hillary Clinton remains the frontrunner.

Trump stays on top with 26 percent among GOP primary voters, followed by Carson at 18 percent.  Fiorina and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio are next, tied at 9 percent.  All four have gained ground. After the August Fox News debate, Trump had 25 percent, while Carson had 12 percent, Fiorina 5 percent and Rubio 4 percent.

Trump holds his leader status even though he was once again rated in the poll as having done the worst job in the debate. Fiorina, Rubio and Carson receive positive marks for their performances.

The appeal of outsiders comes from significant dissatisfaction with the party establishment:  62 percent of Republican primary voters feel “betrayed” by politicians in their party, and another 66 percent say the recent Republican majorities in Washington have failed to do all they could to block or reverse President Obama’s agenda.  For comparison, 40 percent of Democratic primary voters feel betrayed by their party. 

Frustration with party leaders has been a recurring theme for one sitting GOP senator in the race, Ted Cruz of Texas, who is next in the poll at eight percent.  He was at 10 percent in August.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush garners seven percent, a new low for him in the Fox News poll.  He had 15 percent support as recently as early August.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is up a couple ticks to five percent and Ohio Gov. John Kasich gets four percent.  Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee receives three percent and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul two percent.  All other candidates receive one percent or less.

The favorites among white evangelical Christians voting in the Republican primary are Trump (29 percent), Carson (21 percent) and Cruz (12 percent).

The top picks among self-described “very” conservatives voting in the GOP primary are Carson (23 percent), Trump (22 percent), Cruz (13 percent) and Rubio (11 percent).

Straight talk is part of Trump’s outsider appeal -- but does he go too far?  Not for GOP primary voters: 65 percent of them say Trump just tells it like it is, compared to 30 percent who think he is “too mean and blunt” to be president.  Trump’s style may be a liability in the general election, though. Overall, 49 percent of voters find him too mean and blunt, while 44 percent say we need his directness.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and former Texas Gov. Rick Perry dropped out of the race in the last two weeks.  In announcing his decision, Walker made clear his desire to oust Trump. He called on other Republicans to also get out so “voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive, conservative alternative to the current front-runner.”

But what would happen if the “current front-runner” aka Trump were out?  The Fox poll asks voters their second choice candidate, which allows us to look at what happens to the race if someone were to get out. For instance, if Trump gets out, Carson takes the top spot (24 percent), followed by Rubio (12 percent), Fiorina (11 percent), Cruz (11 percent) and Bush (10 percent).

Trump supporters go for Carson (23 percent), Bush (14 percent), Cruz (12 percent) and Rubio (10 percent) as their second-choice picks.

Among all GOP primary voters, the second choice favorites are: Fiorina (14 percent), Carson (13 percent), Trump (12 percent), Bush (10 percent) and Rubio (10 percent).

Clinton sits atop the Democratic pack with the support of 44 percent of primary voters.  Yet that’s a new low for her -- down five points since last month.  She was at 61 percent in June.  Clinton is holding on to her advantage despite 58 percent of all voters -- and 31 percent of Democratic primary voters -- believing she is lying about her emails.

Clinton’s closest rival is still Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who holds steady at 30 percent. Biden gets a record high 18 percent.  A month ago he was at 10 percent.

The remaining Democratic candidates are at two percent or less, including the newest entrant -- Harvard Professor Lawrence Lessig -- who made it official September 9.

Without Biden in the race, it’s Clinton 56 percent and Sanders 32 percent.

Clinton also maintains her advantage over GOP front-runner Trump in a potential 2016 matchup: 46-42 percent.   Last month, it was Clinton over Trump by 47-42 percent.

Who do voters think will be the next president? When asked to name who will win next November, without the aid of a list, a plurality says Clinton (28 percent) followed by Trump (20 percent).  But the electorate isn’t always great at predicting the outcome (at least not this far out).  Eight years ago, by almost four-to-one, voters said Clinton would be the next president (44 percent), followed by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (12 percent).  Barack Obama came in third at six percent (October 2007).  The new poll finds Sanders third at five percent, with Biden and the remaining GOP candidates splitting the rest of the respondents.

This is fun: when all the names are tallied by party, about the same number of voters says the name of a Democrat they think will be the next president (37 percent) as says the name of a Republican (36 percent).

How many debates should there be?

Some of Clinton’s lesser-known competitors, as well as some high-profile Democrats like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, think there should be more Democratic Presidential debates than the six currently scheduled.  Yet Democratic primary voters seem fine with that number: 58 percent say that’s “about right,” while another 25 percent think it’s “too many.” Just 14 percent say six is “too few.” Sanders supporters (20 percent) are more likely than Clinton supporters (13 percent) to want more debates.

Republicans plan to hold at least nine debates and 50 percent of GOP primary voters thinks that’s “about right.”  Another 41 percent say that’s “too many” and 7 percent say “too few.”

The poll also asks voters who did the best and who did the worst in the September GOP debates hosted by CNN in California.  Debate watchers give the highest net performance score (best job minus worst job) to Fiorina (+34 points), followed by Rubio (+7), Kasich (+2) and Carson (+1).  These are the only candidates to receive net positive scores for their debate performance -- and they are the same four who garnered the highest scores after the first GOP debate last month.

The lowest scores among debate watchers go to Trump (-13 points), Paul (-7 points) and Bush (-4 points).  Trump also got the lowest net score after the first debate (-13 points).

Fiorina received a score of +12 points in August, even though she was in the early debate for second-tier candidates.  She participated in the top tier debate this month and improved her net score by 22 points.

 

Pollpourri

In this year of the outsider, the poll asks voters what would make them more worried about the state of American democracy:  a November match-up between another Clinton and another Bush or a race between upstarts Sanders and Trump?

By a 53-39 percent margin, voters say Sanders vs. Trump would be a worse sign for our democracy.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,013 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from September 20-22, 2015. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters, and 5 points for Democratic and 4.5 points Republican primary voters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/24/fox-news-poll-outsiders-rule-2016-gop-field-support-for-biden-nearly-doubles/?intcmp=hplnws
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 24, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
Someone should ask carson if muslims should be allowed to vote.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 28, 2015, 05:13:01 PM
Fox News Poll: Clinton popularity drops, Carson gets high marks
By  Dana Blanton
Published September 27, 2015
FoxNews.com

Hillary Clinton’s personal favorable ratings hit a low mark in the latest Fox News national poll, while Ben Carson’s ratings climb to new high in the wake of his news-generating comments on Muslims and the presidency.

Carson receives the best net favorable scores among all voters as well as self-identified Republicans.  In addition, Donald Trump and Jeb Bush get the worst net scores overall, and Bush has the lowest score among Republicans.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

Some 38 percent of voters view Clinton favorably, down from 45 percent in May.  The downward shift comes from the fact that half of women now rate her negatively.  Positive views among Democrats are also down since May (-11 points).

Overall, a record high 56 percent of voters now have an unfavorable opinion of Clinton.  For comparison, Bush’s negative rating stands at 55 percent, up from 44 percent in May.  More on him later.

The number of voters who have a positive opinion of Carson is up 20 percentage points:  46 percent now, up from 26 percent in May.  Among Republicans the increase is even greater: 66 percent now view him favorably, up from 42 percent.

Interviewing for the poll started Sunday afternoon and went through Tuesday evening (September 20-22). That Sunday morning, Carson made news with remarks about Sharia law and why he would not support a hypothetical Muslim in the White House.

Carly Fiorina’s ratings also jumped: 38 percent of voters have a favorable opinion of her today. It was 13 percent in May.  Among Republicans, she’s at 52 percent favorable now, up from 22 percent.

None of the people tested -- not the president, not the vice president and not the 2016 contenders -- garner positive ratings from at least 50 percent of the electorate.  Vice President Joe Biden comes closest.  His favorable stands at 49 percent, up from 43 percent in March.

And with a net percent favorable score of +65 points among Democrats, Biden is also more beloved by his party than Clinton (+48 points) and Bernie Sanders (+38).  However, President Barack Obama outdoes them all with a net positive score of +73 points among the party faithful (86 percent favorable vs. 13 percent unfavorable).

While each of the GOP candidates included in the poll has a net positive rating among Republicans, there are big differences.  For example, Carson is way ahead of the pack with a net positive score of +52 points, while Bush has about as many Republicans viewing him positively as negatively for a net rating of +1.  Here are the scores for the other candidates tested: Marco Rubio (+35), Fiorina (+30), Ted Cruz (+21), Trump (+12), Chris Christie (+4) and John Kasich (+3).

While only 34 percent of all voters have a favorable opinion of Trump, some 53 percent of Republicans like him.

The number of Republicans who view Bush favorably has dropped 10 points since May.  He currently receives a 34 percent favorable overall, and a 46 percent favorable among Republicans.

Cruz’s positive ratings have held steady, but negative ratings of him are up 10 points among Republicans.

In general, Trump (98 percent familiar) and Bush (96 percent familiar) have the highest name recognition of the candidates tested, while Kasich (63 percent familiar) is the least well-known.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,013 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from September 20-22, 2015. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters, and 5 points for Democrats and 4.5 points for Republicans.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/27/fox-news-poll-clintons-favorable-drops-carson-gets-best-ratings/?intcmp=hpbt4
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 29, 2015, 01:01:02 PM
Clinton's standing as of today: North Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary PPP (D) Clinton 37, Biden 30, Sanders 17, Webb 3, Chafee 2, O'Malley 1, Lessig 0 Clinton +7

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 29, 2015, 01:12:58 PM
Clinton's standing as of today: North Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary PPP (D) Clinton 37, Biden 30, Sanders 17, Webb 3, Chafee 2, O'Malley 1, Lessig 0 Clinton +7

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Biden at 30 percent without formally declaring shows just how wounded Hillary is at this point.  Not going to be quite the coronation I thought it would be. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 29, 2015, 04:49:24 PM
Biden is like Jeb... TOTALLY doesn't want the job, but 30 million people are begging him to run.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 29, 2015, 10:29:30 PM
Biden at 30 percent without formally declaring shows just how wounded Hillary is at this point.  Not going to be quite the coronation I thought it would be. 

Realize that these polls change daily and, like this one, are attributed to those polled in only one state. When the primaries begin, is when the real action gets going. A lot can happen between now and Tuesday, March 1, 2016 otherwise known as "Super Tuesday" when the primaries commence. Primary elections can continue well into June and are subject to change. Some states are not on the calendar as of yet.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2015, 09:49:38 AM
Realize that these polls change daily and, like this one, are attributed to those polled in only one state. When the primaries begin, is when the real action gets going. A lot can happen between now and Tuesday, March 1, 2016 otherwise known as "Super Tuesday" when the primaries commence. Primary elections can continue well into June and are subject to change. Some states are not on the calendar as of yet.

I agree.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2015, 09:52:13 AM
Quinnipiac Poll: Carson, Biden Do Better Than Others in Swing States
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Image: Quinnipiac Poll: Carson, Biden Do Better Than Others in Swing States
By Loren Gutentag   
Wednesday, 07 Oct 2015

Although Vice President Joe Biden has yet to officially announce his third run for president, a new Quinnipiac University survey conducted in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania shows that Biden and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson fare better than the primary leaders in general election matchups.

According to Bloomberg, if the election were held today and Carson were the Republican nominee, he would beat Clinton, Biden, and Senator Bernie Sanders in the battleground states of Ohio and Pennsylvania and also best the Vermont independent in Florida.

No president has won the general election since 1960 without carrying two out of those three swing states.

But, hypothetical match-ups show a different outcome. In Ohio:
 Carson would defeat Biden by four percentage points (46 percent to 42 percent).
Carson would defeat Clinton by nine points (49 percent to 40 percent).
Carson would defeat Sanders by 12 points (48 percent to 36 percent).

In Pennsylvania:
Carson would beat Clinton by nine points (49 percent to 40 percent)
Carson would defeat Sanders by 10 points (47 percent to 37 percent).
Carson would best Vice President Joe Biden by 5 points (47 percent to 42 percent)

In Florida:
 Carson would defeat Sanders 46 percent to 40 percent.
Carson trails Biden by a margin of 45 percent to 42 percent
Carson also trails Clinton by 45 to 42 percent.
 
Carson's' primary numbers, however, still show him trailing behind Trump by a margin of 28 percent to 16 percent in Florida, by 23 percent to 18 percent in Ohio, and by 23 percent to 17 percent in Pennsylvania.

“Those who were waiting for Donald Trump’s campaign to collapse will need to wait longer – at least in the three key states of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

The swing state poll also showed that Biden would defeat Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Senator Marco Rubio in Florida. And, in Ohio and Pennsylvania Biden would beat Bush, Rubio, and former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina while Clinton trails all three.

“When we get past the playoffs to the World Series, the general election face-off, Biden does better against leading Republicans than does Clinton or Sanders,” Brown added. “Trump, despite his strong showing in mock Republican primaries, fares worst among the GOP candidates matched against the three Democratic aspirants – giving some credence to pundits who say the billionaire could be every Democrats’ favorite GOP nominee.”

According to the poll, front-runners Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton continue to have the worst overall favorability ratings among voters as well as the lowest scores for being honest and trustworthy.

The Quinnipiac poll was conducted between Sept. 25 and Oct. 5 by phone. Quinnipiac interviewed 1,173 Florida voters, with a margin of error of ±2.9 percentage points; 1,180 Ohio voters with a margin of error of ±2.9 percentage points; and 1,049 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of ±3 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/biden-carson-quinnipiac-swing/2015/10/07/id/695037/#ixzz3ntxjggBj
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2015, 09:56:03 AM
Trust deficit: Swing-state polls show Clinton seen as least honest candidate
Published October 07, 2015
FoxNews.com

The depth of the trust deficit between swing-state voters and Hillary Clinton is revealed in a new Quinnipiac poll that shows likely voters view her as the least honest and trustworthy candidate of all top presidential contenders.

Republican front-runner Donald Trump comes in a close second, but the Quinnipiac University polling in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania shows voters giving the Democratic front-runner the worst scores.

While the polls show Clinton holding her lead in all three states, the responses on the trust question suggest the frequent developments on her personal email scandal are taking a toll. The latest, Fox News has learned, is that the FBI probe of her email has now expanded to include obtaining data from a second tech company which had been hired to help back up data by the company that managed her server.

The Quinnipiac poll out Wednesday shows that in Florida, voters say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy by 59-35 percent.

In Ohio, that split is 61-33 percent. And in Pennsylvania, that split is 61-34 percent.

Trump does slightly better on that question in those states, though still the worst among the leading Republican candidates. Both Trump and Clinton register a negative favorability rating in the three states as well.

Still, Clinton holds a comfortable lead in Florida and Ohio. The exception is Pennsylvania, where her support among primary Democrats slips from 45 percent in August to 36 percent now. Vice President Biden, who is not at this point a declared candidate, has 25 percent, and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has 19 percent.

Biden may benefit from the fact that Pennsylvania is his home state.

Republicans seized on the "trust" numbers Wednesday, especially after Clinton's campaign went on offense earlier this week against the congressional Benghazi investigative committee.

"After all the campaign resets and the millions poured into TV ads, Hillary Clinton still finds herself disliked and not trusted by the American people," Jeff Bechdel, spokesman for the conservative America Rising PAC, said in a statement.

A Clinton aide pushed back on criticism over the latest FBI probe development, saying the Clintons did not negotiate the arrangement with the back-up services company, and the campaign supports the company turning over any equipment to the Justice Department.

The Quinnipiac University polls were taken between Sept. 25 and Oct. 5. The survey of 1,173 Florida voters had a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points; the survey of 1,180 Ohio voters had a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points; the survey of 1,049 Pennsylvania voters had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/07/trust-deficit-swing-state-polls-show-clinton-seen-as-least-honest-candidate-in/?intcmp=hpbt2
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on October 07, 2015, 11:57:54 AM
check the Vegas odds for president...


that is ALL you need to know..


</thread>
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2015, 12:56:18 PM
check the Vegas odds for president...


that is ALL you need to know..


</thread>

Really?  Vegas odds determine our next president?  Over one year out? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2015, 07:20:07 PM
Really?  Vegas odds determine our next president?  Over one year out? 

11 months out from the election, the gamblers were very accudate in 2008 and 2012.

Read about it.  The more you know, the less you blindly kneepad Rubio grow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-thomson/how-gamblers--historys-mo_b_2011534.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 08, 2015, 09:58:51 AM
Bwahahahaha!! 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 12, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
Poll: Trump ahead of Carson; Clinton still front-runner
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Mon October 12, 2015 | Video Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)—Donald Trump remains at the front of the Republican presidential field, with Ben Carson close behind, a new CBS News poll of the national GOP electorate shows.
 
Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, remains 19 percentage points ahead of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Democratic race.

Trump is backed by 27% of likely Republican primary voters, while Carson has 21% support, the survey, released Sunday, found. They're the only candidates in double digits.

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is in third place at 9%, followed by Florida Sen. Marco Rubio at 8% and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Carly Fiorina at 6% each.

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul has 4% support, while New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is at 3% and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Ohio Gov. John Kasich are at 2% each. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum is at 1%, and other candidates fail to register at least 0.5% support.

The poll could bolster Trump's argument that he is electable. It shows that while just 29% of Republican voters say they'd support Trump enthusiastically, the vast majority say they'd vote for him in a general election -- with just 19% saying they wouldn't back him.

It also found that most Republicans see business and private sector experience as preferable for their next presidential nominee, with 55% saying that's the background they'd like their candidate to have compared to 10% preferring work in politics and government.

Carson's favorability rating remains the best of all Republicans, with 62% of GOP voters viewing him favorably compared to just 7% unfavorably. Similarly positive splits are owned by Rubio (50%/12%) and Fiorina (45%/13%). Trump's ratings are 53% to 29%.

The poll's worst news belonged to Bush, who is underwater with the Republican electorate, with 32% viewing him favorably compared to 38% unfavorably.

In the Democratic race, Clinton leads with 46% support compared to Sanders' 27% backing. Vice President Joe Biden, who hasn't yet announced whether he'll enter the race, has 16% backing, and former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb gets 2% support.

But Sanders' self-described democratic socialist policies could hurt his electability in the eyes of his party's voters. Democrats said they see Clinton as having the best shot at winning in November -- with 59% saying she's the party's most likely winner against a Republican, compared to 18% for Biden and 15% for Sanders.

All three candidates are viewed overwhelmingly favorably by the party, with Biden faring the best (71% favorable ratings to 9% unfavorable), followed by Clinton (69%/19%) and Sanders (50%/13%).

Both Clinton and Trump face the same challenge demonstrating to voters their trustworthiness. Clinton is viewed as honest and trustworthy by 35%, compared to 61% who say she's not. And Trump is viewed as honest and trustworthy by 33%, compared to 60% who say he's not.

The poll also offered some insight into the challenges that led House Speaker John Boehner to announce his resignation.

Just 23% of Americans -- and 23% of Republicans -- approve of the job Boehner is doing. And at 66%, conservative Republicans are the most likely to disapprove of his performance.

The survey of 1,251 Americans was conducted October 4-8.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/11/politics/poll-donald-trump-leads-ben-carson-hillary-clinton/index.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 13, 2015, 04:40:38 AM
Poll: Trump ahead of Carson; Clinton still front-runner


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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 13, 2015, 10:26:49 AM
October 13, 2015
Carson holds double-digit lead on Clinton in new poll
By Jonathan Easley
(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/blogs/carsonben_092515gn2-1.jpg?itok=L9CdNRQI)

Four Republican presidential candidates lead Hillary Clinton nationally in head-to-head match-ups, according to a new poll.

The Fox News survey released on Tuesday shows Ben Carson running the strongest against Clinton, with the retired neurosurgeon taking 50 percent, compared to only 39 percent for the former secretary of State.

Donald Trump leads Clinton by 45 percent to 40, Jeb Bush leads Clinton 44 to 40 and Carly Fiorina leads Clinton 42 to 39, the poll found.

While it can be dangerous to read too much into any poll this early in the presidential contest, the Fox News survey wil give ammunition to those arguing that Vice President Biden would be a stronger Democratic candidate than Clinton.

Biden leads all of those same Republican contenders in head-to-head match-ups. He's up on Trump by 50 percent to 37, Bush by 46 to 41 percent and enjoys leads of 46 to 42 percent over both Carson and Fiorina.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) does the best in a head-to-head match-up against Biden, trailing by only one point, 44 to 43 percent.

In previous polls, Clinton held leads over all of those candidates except for Bush, who led 44 to 42 percent over Clinton in an August poll.

The Fox News survey also provides new evidence underlying Carson’s early strength.

Carson raised $20 million in the second quarter, which will likely be the biggest haul of any of the GOP contenders. He routinely attracts thousands of supporters on the campaign trail and is firmly in second place in polls of the Republican presidential nomination, trailing only Trump.

The poll found Clinton maintaining a healthy lead in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, taking 45 percent support, followed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) at 25 percent and Biden at 19 percent.

That’s a bigger lead for Clinton than in the same poll from September, when the former secretary of State took 44 percent support, followed by Sanders at 30 and Biden at 18.

Biden has yet to decide whether to enter the race.

The Fox News poll of 1,004 registered voters was conducted between Oct. 10 and Oct. 12 and has a 3-percentage-point margin of error.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/256761-carson-holds-double-digit-lead-on-clinton-in-new-poll
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 16, 2015, 11:15:00 AM
2016 Presidential Money Race: Third Quarter Filings

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-october-fec-filings/table/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 16, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
2016 Presidential Money Race: Third Quarter Filings

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-october-fec-filings/table/

and repubs will spend that $ destroying each other.

At least the media/trump/hilary have decided to destroy Bernie early in the race so she can relax and enjoy the show as Trump, Carson, and the other idiots deny Cruz from doing an actual good job as the nominee.

"i was robbed at a popeyes chicken but I pointed to the cashier who never reported it".  What a load of shit.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2015, 06:38:23 PM
NBC/WSJ Poll: Carson, Clinton Tied in Head-to-Head Race
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=4a6fe16f-b059-4e2d-817f-e81c63fc6dbb&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: NBC/WSJ Poll: Carson, Clinton Tied in Head-to-Head Race     
By Greg Richter
Tuesday, 03 Nov 2015

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Democrats' presidential front-runner, is tied with one of the GOP's leading candidates, Ben Carson, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll.

According to the poll released Tuesday, Clinton and Carson each would garner 47 percent of the vote in a theoretical head-to-head matchup. The other GOP front-runner, Donald Trump, would lose to Clinton, as would other GOP candidates.

Clinton: 50 percent
Trump: 42 percent
 
Clinton: 47 percent
Marco Rubio: 44 percent
Clinton: 47 percent
Jeb Bush: 43 percent

Carson's stronger standing against Clinton is his higher favorability about independents, NBC News reported.

 Among independents:
•Carson: 47 percent
•Clinton: 37 percent
•Rubio: 42 percent
•Clinton 35 percent
•Bush: 41 percent
•Clinton: 37 percent
•Trump: 43 percent
•Clinton 39 percent

The poll was conducted October 25-29 among 847 registered voters and has a margin of error of plus-minus 3.4 percentage points.
 
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/hillary-clinton-ben-carson-tied-favorability/2015/11/03/id/700405/#ixzz3qUDg9U4R
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 10, 2015, 12:59:53 PM
SC poll: Carson unhurt by controversies
By Jonathan Swan
November 10, 2015

(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/blogs/carsonben2.jpg?itok=qfJLOUN0)

The negative media scrutiny over Ben Carson’s life story is not harming his popularity, with the retired neurosurgeon buoyant in a new poll, and South Carolinians declaring they do not care about the controversies.

Whether it is his scholarship offer to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, his unusual theory about pyramids, or his stories about being an angry and violent youth, South Carolina Republican voters remain untroubled, says a new survey by the liberal-leaning firm Public Policy Polling (PPP).

Carson holds his second place in the GOP field in S.C. with 21 percent of the vote — exactly where he stood in the September survey — placing him close behind billionaire front-runner Donald Trump, who has faded from 37 percent in the September poll to 25 percent in November.

Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) are the only candidates to surge in the new poll, with Cruz now in third at 15 percent and Rubio a narrow fourth at 13 percent. Both senators have jumped 9 percentage points since PPP’s September poll. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush receives just 8 percent.

When GOP primary voters in S.C. were asked about Carson’s recent controversies, 65 percent told the pollsters that his violent youth — "including stabbing a friend and trying to hit his mother over the head with a hammer" — makes no difference to them one way or another. Nine percent said Carson’s violent youth would make them more likely to vote for him and only 22 percent said it would make them less likely.

Voters overwhelmingly disagree with Carson's theory that pyramids were built to store grain but it is not an issue that is costing him support, PPP adds.

“Donald Trump’s still up in South Carolina,” said Dean Debnam, president of PPP. “But he’s on the down swing when it comes to every metric that we use to measure his candidacy’s strength.

“Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are the candidates with momentum now, and Ben Carson isn’t being negatively affected by all the controversy with his campaign last week.”

On the Democratic side, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is struggling to make any impression on South Carolina voters. Front-runner Hillary Clinton is still crushing him in South Carolina, winning support from 72 percent of Democratic primary voters to Sanders’s 18 percent, PPP says.

In the September poll, Clinton led Sanders 66 percent to 12 percent when Vice President Joe Biden was removed from calculations, so the pollsters point out that her 54-point advantage over Sanders holds steady.

“Hillary Clinton’s long been dominant in South Carolina,” Debnam said.

“That made Friday’s MSNBC forum [hosted by Rachel Maddow] an important chance for Bernie Sanders and [former Gov.] Martin O’Malley [D-Md.] to change that. But instead it just reaffirmed Clinton’s overwhelming front-runner status in the state.”

Clinton’s biggest advantage over Sanders — and this is a weakness that is troubling the Sanders camp — is her popularity with African-American voters.

While Sanders has a good chance to win the early-voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire — they are predominantly white electorates receptive to his revolutionary brand of progressivism — Sanders will face his first test with black voters in the S.C. primary. The PPP poll shows Clinton winning 86 percent of South Carolina’s African-American vote to 11 percent for Sanders.

O'Malley wins just 1 percent of the black vote and 5 percent overall in S.C., PPP says.

PPP surveyed 787 usual Republican primary voters and 400 usual Democratic primary voters on Nov. 7 and Nov. 8.  The margin of error for the Republicans is 3.5 percent and 4.9 percent for the Democrats.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259669-sc-poll-carson-unhurt-by-controversies
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on November 10, 2015, 02:03:56 PM
Poll is 3 days old.  Repubkicans always change the mind after a week of rush and hannity and chat with their buddies.  

Give it 1.5 to 2 weeks.  See where Carson is then .   I've said this over and over. Polls lag by 10-14 days.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 10, 2015, 06:30:32 PM
Controversy??? Since when getting caught in a bunch of lies a controversy? Don't sugar coat it, lying is lying. What this shows is that folks are very gullible. Did I ever tell you about the time I.....?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on November 10, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
Controversy??? Since when getting caught in a bunch of lies a controversy? Don't sugar coat it, lying is lying. What this shows is that folks are very gullible. Did I ever tell you about the time I.....?

politico jumped the gun with the headline.

therefore we can cancel out the 8 proven lies from carson's book.

#GOPLogic
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2015, 08:29:07 AM
In new shock poll, Sanders has landslides over both Trump and Bush
By Brent Budowsky, columnist, The Hill
November 11, 2015

In a new McClatchy-Marist poll, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Republican candidate Donald Trump by a landslide margin of 12 percentage points, 53 to 41. In the McClatchy poll, Sanders also leads former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) by a landslide margin of 10 points, 51 to 41.

The huge Sanders advantage over Trump is not new. In the last four match-up polls between them reported by Real Clear Politics, Sanders defeated Trump by margins of 12, 9, 9 and 2 percentage points.

The huge Sanders advantage over Bush is new. In previous match-ups, the polling showed Sanders and Bush running virtually even, with Bush holding a 1-point lead over Sanders in most of the polls. Future polls will be needed to test whether the huge Sanders lead over Bush in the McClatchy poll will be repeated in future polling or whether the McClatchy poll is an outlier.

It is shocking that the data suggests that Sanders has a lead over Trump that could be so huge that he would win a landslide victory in the presidential campaign, with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate and could help Democrats regain control of the House of Representative — if, of course, the three polls that show Sanders beating Trump by 9 to 12 points reflect final voting in the presidential election.

It would be equally shocking if future polling shows that the Sanders lead over Bush remains at landslide margins.

For today, there are two issues these polls present. First, the national reporting of the presidential campaign completely fails to reflect Sanders's strength in a general election, especially against Trump, and against Bush as well.

Second, and perhaps more important, Sanders's strength in general election polling gives credence to the argument I have been making in recent years, that American voters favor progressive populist positions which, if taken by Democrats in the general election, would lead to a progressive populist Democratic president and far greater Democratic strength in Congress.

It is a fallacy argued by conservatives and, in my view, inaccurately parroted by the mainstream media, that Sanders and other liberals take positions that are far too "left." The polling shows, issue by issue, and increasingly in general election match-ups of Republicans running against Sanders, that it is the left, not the right, which has the upper hand with American voters.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/259812-in-new-shock-poll-sanders-has-landslides-over-both
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 12, 2015, 10:38:25 AM
politico jumped the gun with the headline.

therefore we can cancel out the 8 proven lies from carson's book.

#GOPLogic

One lie does it for me. Can't ever trust what someone says after that. Harsh, I know.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2015, 01:29:21 PM
One lie does it for me. Can't ever trust what someone says after that. Harsh, I know.

So you don't trust Hillary Clinton? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: whork on November 12, 2015, 03:39:51 PM
So you don't trust Hillary Clinton? 

If anyone thinks they can trust a politician they should get head examined.

An honest politician is like a unicorn or santa claus. A fairy tale.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: spotter on November 12, 2015, 07:25:06 PM
We are all fucked regardless........If they had to contribute to their insurance like us mortals, I would think.....Maybe, we have a chance..... :'(
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on November 12, 2015, 07:27:34 PM
good point - one lie and the person is a liar.

of course hilary is a liar and full of shit.  Not sure why hilary being a liar excuses Carson being a liar?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: spotter on November 12, 2015, 07:31:22 PM
How about ....we let them beat the shit out of each other......Whoever wins, is President!!! ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 14, 2015, 09:14:02 PM
good point - one lie and the person is a liar.

of course hilary is a liar and full of shit.  Not sure why hilary being a liar excuses Carson being a liar?

You're right one liar does not excuse another liar. One thing I want to mention is that Hillary seems to be a much more savvy liar. Carson's lies are way to easy to expose. He's been caught dead to rights and yet he hangs on to the lie for dear life. Also, some of his lies seem to have no real purpose, thus the question as to him being a pathological liar.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on November 14, 2015, 09:39:33 PM
You're right one liar does not excuse another liar. One thing I want to mention is that Hillary seems to be a much more savvy liar. Carson's lies are way to easy to expose. He's been caught dead to rights and yet he hangs on to the lie for dear life. Also, some of his lies seem to have no real purpose, thus the question as to him being a pathological liar.

Yes - the Putin lie was designed to make him seem like he has inside knowledge of things that even our govt doesn't know.  The Popeyes robbery lie = tried to show he was credible on street experience and knew gun violence personally.

All kidding aside - I think he's been sheltered for 3 decades in the walls of academia/medical world.  He's head of neurosurgery at johns hopkins means for 60 hours a week, people with PhDs and MBAs are kissing his ass for funding. 

In the "real world", whether its trump doing business or senators debating, you are challenged and 'talked back to' now and then.  When a person is surrounded by yes men for 20 to 30 years, they are able to 'make up tales' all the time, with nothing but applause from those sucking up.

In the real world, you make up some shit about popeyes robbery, it gets checked out.  In ben carson's medical world, nobody checks that stuff.  He's still living 30 years ago when you can't actually access police records quickly.   He's still living 30 years ago when you could tell a room of religious zealots some silly putin or pyramids story, and it never reaches mainstream world.

Carson is out of touch.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 27, 2015, 01:57:49 PM
Hillary No Shoo-In for 2016
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=0632e372-a86a-45e0-97f3-62d7707bc4f2&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: Hillary No Shoo-In for 2016 (AP)
By Scott Rasmussen   |   Friday, 27 Nov 2015

For much of 2015, the political questions concerning former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have been whether or not she can hold the lead. She entered the year the clear favorite to win the Democratic nomination. She was, in fact, the most dominant front-runner since, well, Hillary Clinton eight years ago.
   
And that's what made some of her supporters nervous. She never should have lost that lead to then-Sen. Barack Obama. But she did.
   
Clinton appears to have learned from that experience. Despite a shaky start to the formal campaign and the self-induced email debacle, she has held onto her dominant lead all year. Next summer, Clinton is almost certain to become the first woman ever nominated for president by a major political party.

At that point, though, the challenge for Hillary Clinton is likely to be much different. Rather than worrying about whether she can hold the lead and run out the clock, the question will become whether or not she can pull off a come-from-behind victory.

In all likelihood, the Republican nominee will start off the general election season as the favorite.
   
That perspective may sound crazy to Clinton supporters and many in the D.C. media club. They see the Democratic front-runner as obviously experienced and qualified in contrast to the leading GOP candidates.
   
But fundamentals drive elections more than candidates do. The most important measure of the political climate is the president's job approval rating. At the moment, President Obama's ratings are in the low-to-mid 40s. That's a danger ground, suggesting that he will be a drag on his party's nominee.

At the moment, it's a problem for Clinton rather than a crisis. But if the president's ratings go much lower, it will become extraordinarily difficult for the Democrats to retain the White House.

On top of that, consumer confidence has just fallen to its lowest level in over a year. An index of manufacturing sentiment is now at the lowest level in more than two years. The country may not be in a recession, but the economic recovery is anemic.

And then there's the foreign policy disarray in the wake of the Paris attacks. Foreign policy generally has only a modest impact on elections, and 2016 is not likely to be any different.

However, to the degree that national security becomes an issue at all, it's a double whammy for Clinton. First, because voters tend to trust Republicans more than Democrats on national security issues. Second, because any national security claims will turn Clinton's experience as secretary of state from a positive to a negative.
   
Finally, Clinton's very success at clearing the Democratic field is likely to haunt her general election campaign. Sen. Bernie Sanders and Gov. Martin O'Malley are not really pushing her the way she pushed Barack Obama eight years ago.

Obama became a much better debater and candidate because of Clinton. The current president also gained stature merely by defeating her. Clinton will enjoy no such advantage.
   
Obviously, there is a lot of time before Election Day in Nov. 2016. Anything could happen. It's possible that the GOP could self-destruct and split in two, or that Donald Trump could run as an independent candidate. But barring such a lucky break, Hillary Clinton will likely begin her fall campaign as an underdog.

http://www.newsmax.com/ScottRasmussen/hillary-2016-president/2015/11/27/id/703690/#ixzz3sjPpvLrf
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 02, 2015, 08:31:39 AM
The negative numbers are telling.  Astronomically high for Hillary and Trump.

December 2, 2015 - Bump For Trump As Carson Fades In Republican Race, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Clinton, Sanders Surge In Matchups With GOP Leaders

Additional Trend Information

Eleven months before the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump is the undisputed leader in the Republican field, as Dr. Ben Carson, in a virtual tie with Trump four weeks ago, drops to third place, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today.

On the Democratic side, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton widens her lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont to 60 - 30 percent, compared to 53 - 35 percent in a November 4 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll. Former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley has 2 percent, with 6 percent undecided.

Trump gets 27 percent of Republican voters today, with 17 percent for Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, 16 percent each for Carson and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas and 5 percent for former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. No other candidate tops 3 percent, with 8 percent undecided.

Last month, Trump had 24 percent, with 23 percent for Carson.

Among Republicans, 26 percent of voters say they "would definitely not support" Trump, with 21 percent who would not back Bush.

"It doesn't seem to matter what he says or who he offends, whether the facts are contested or the 'political correctness' is challenged, Donald Trump seems to be wearing Kevlar," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

"Dr. Ben Carson, moving to center stage just one month ago, now needs some CPR. The Doctor sinks. The Donald soars. The GOP, 11 months from the election, has to be thinking, 'This could be the guy.'

"Secretary Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders have to be hoping Trump is the GOP's guy."

American voters shift to Clinton as the Democrat gains ground against Republicans:

47 - 41 percent over Trump, compared to 46 - 43 percent November 4;
Clinton at 45 percent to Rubio's 44 percent, compared to a 46 - 41 percent Rubio lead last month;
Clinton tops Cruz 47 - 42 percent, compared to Cruz at 46 percent to Clinton's 43 percent last month;
Clinton at 46 percent to Carson's 43 percent compared to Carson's 50 - 40 percent lead last month.
Sanders does just as well, or even better, against top Republicans:

Topping Trump 49 - 41 percent;
Getting 44 percent to Rubio's 43 percent;
Beating Cruz 49 - 39 percent;
Leading Carson 47 - 41 percent.

Clinton has a negative 44 - 51 percent favorability rating. Other favorability ratings are:

Negative 35 - 57 percent for Trump;
40 - 33 percent for Carson;
44 - 31 percent for Sanders;
37 - 28 percent for Rubio;
33 - 33 percent for Cruz.

American voters say 60 - 36 percent that Clinton is not honest and trustworthy. Trump is not honest and trustworthy, voters say 59 - 35 percent. Sanders gets the best honesty grades among top candidates, 59 - 28 percent, with Carson at 53 - 34 percent, Rubio at 49 - 33 percent and Cruz at 43 - 39 percent.

All American voters say 63 - 32 percent, including 69 - 27 percent among independent voters, that Clinton would have a good chance of beating the Republican nominee in a head-to- head matchup.

Voters are divided 46 - 49 percent on whether Trump would have a good chance of beating the Democratic nominee, with independent voters divided 47 - 48 percent.

From November 23 - 30, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,453 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones. The survey includes 672 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 3.8 percentage points and 573 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.1 percentage points.

The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Iowa, Colorado and the nation as a public service and for research.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2307
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 02, 2015, 08:37:38 AM
Hillary and Trump have serious trust issues with potential voters.

Quinnipiac Poll: Trump Gets Bump as Carson Drops to 3rd, Rubio Up
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Image: Quinnipiac Poll: Trump Gets Bump as Carson Drops to 3rd, Rubio Up (Getty Images)
By Loren Gutentag   |   Wednesday, 02 Dec 2015

For four weeks Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump and Ben Carson were in a virtual tie in the polls, however, a new Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday shows Trump as the undisputed front-runner, Carson dropping to third place, and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio stealing second place.

According to the poll:

Donald Trump, 27 percent;
Marco Rubio, 17 percent;
Ben Carson, 16 percent;
Ted Cruz, 16 percent;
Jeb Bush, 5 percent;

No other GOP candidate registers with more than 3 percent in the poll.

“Dr. Ben Carson, moving to center stage just one month ago, now needs some CPR.  The Doctor sinks.  The Donald soars.  The GOP, 11 months from the election, has to be thinking, ‘This could be the guy,'" said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

He added, “It doesn’t seem to matter what he says or who he offends, whether the facts are contested or the ‘political correctness’ is challenged, Donald Trump seems to be wearing Kevlar.”

However, in terms of favorability, the poll shows that although Ben Carson has the highest favorability rating with 67 percent favorable, his 13 percent unfavorable brings his net score below Rubio's. Rubio's net favorability rating is the highest with 66 percent favorable and 8 percent unfavorable.

And, while 26 percent say they definitely will not vote for Trump, 59 percent of voters said he is not honest or trustworthy while 35 percent believe that he is.

On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton remains the clear front-runner and has even widened her lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders by 30 points.

According to the poll:

Hillary Clinton, 60 percent;
Bernie Sanders, 30 percent;
Martin O'Malley, 2 percent;
Undecided, 6 percent;

Despite Hillary's lead, 60 percent of voters believe that she is not honest or trustworthy and 36 percent say she is. Among Democrats, 73 percent say she's honest and trustworthy while only 7 percent of Republicans agree.

Overall, 28 percent of voters say that Bernie Sanders is not honest or trustworthy and 59 percent believe that he is. Among Democrats, 78 percent say he's honest and trustworthy while only 39 percent of Republicans say the same.

In hypothetical head-to-head match ups:

Clinton edges Rubio 45 to 44 points;
Clinton leads Trump by 6 points;
Clinton leads Cruz by 5 points;
Clinton leads Carson by 3 points;

The leads are even wider in hypothetical head-to-head match ups with Sanders:

Sanders is behind Rubio by 1 point;
Sanders leads Trump by 8 points;
Sanders leads Cruz by 10 points;
Sanders leads Carson by 6 points;

The Quinnipiac University survey of 1,453 voters nationwide was conducted between. Nov. 23 and Nov. 30 and has a 2.6 percentage point margin of error. The poll of 672 Republicans has a 3.8 percentage point margin of error, and the survey of 573 Democrats has a 4.1 percentage point margin of error.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Quinnipiac-poll-Trump-Carson/2015/12/02/id/704182/#ixzz3tBLgMdlE
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on December 02, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
Hillary and Trump have serious trust issues with potential voters.


If Trump wins, Hilary will have a massive advantage in the general election.

Put her up against Cruz or Rubio, and she looks like shit, and they look trustworthy.
Put her up against Trump, and it's a non-factor.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2015, 05:40:25 PM
Fox News Poll: Trump, Clinton dominate primary races in South Carolina
By Dana Blanton 
Published December 09, 2015 
FoxNews.com

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have commanding leads in the race for their parties' nominations in South Carolina, according to the latest Fox News poll.

It’s no wonder Trump is leading.  He’s ahead among both those who prioritize national security and economic issues.  He’s the top pick among voters on the two most important candidate qualities -- strong leader and, to a lesser degree, honest and trustworthy.  Plus, he’s considered the most electable -- by a lot.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

Here are the numbers:

Trump leads with 35 percent among South Carolina Republican primary voters.  Ben Carson gets 15 percent, and Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio receive 14 percent each.

All other candidates are in single digits, including Jeb Bush at 5 percent.

The poll, released Wednesday, was conducted Saturday through Tuesday evenings.  Trump made provocative remarks Monday about barring Muslims from entering the United States.

It looks like his comments help him in South Carolina.  Support for Trump increased eight points after his statement -- from 30 percent the first two nights vs. 38 percent the last two nights.  The shift is within the margin of sampling error.

Republican pollster Daron Shaw says, “There are enough people in the last two nights of the sample to question the widespread assumption that Trump’s comments will hurt him among GOP primary voters.”  Shaw conducts the Fox News Poll with Democratic pollster Chris Anderson.

There’s no gender gap in Trump’s support, as about a third of men (37 percent) and women (32 percent) GOP voters make him their first choice.

Younger voters are less enthusiastic about The Donald.  Twenty-nine percent of those under 45 back him compared to 38 percent of those ages 45 and over.  Moreover, 30 percent of those under 45 say they would never vote for Trump.

The favorites among white evangelical Christians voting in the GOP primary are Trump (34 percent), Carson (18 percent), Cruz (15 percent) and Rubio (12 percent).

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham gets rough treatment from those who know him best.  Only two percent of his home-state voters support him in the nomination race.  And nearly one in five (18 percent) say they would never support him for the GOP nomination.

The top “never” support candidates are Trump, who has 24 percent saying they wouldn’t back him, and Bush, at 19 percent.

Among those part of the Tea Party movement, 28 percent say they would never back Bush or Graham.

National security is the most important issue for GOP primary voters in deciding their vote.  Thirty-nine percent feel that way compared with 24 percent who prioritize economic issues.  Some 16 percent say immigration issues will be most important and 6 percent say social issues.

Trump holds a wide lead among voters who say national security is their top issue.  He receives 32 percent -- twice the support for Carson, Cruz and Rubio, who each get 16 percent among national security voters.

And those who prioritize economic issues back the same four candidates:  Trump (32 percent), Rubio (14 percent), Carson (12 percent) and Cruz (12 percent).

At the same time, the poll shows national security is an area of vulnerability for Trump:  25 percent say he is the “most qualified” Republican to handle the issue, closely followed by Cruz at 18 percent.  Another 11 percent pick Rubio.  Only 6 percent say Carson.

Compare that to the 48 percent landslide Trump gets when GOP primary voters are asked which Republican candidate is “most qualified” to handle the economy.  No other candidate even garners double digits on this measure.  The next closest are Bush and Cruz at 9 percent each, followed by Rubio at 8 percent.

Strong leadership is the top trait GOP primary voters want in their party’s nominee (26 percent), closely followed by being honest and trustworthy (22 percent).  Those characteristics outrank nominating someone who would shake things up in Washington (16 percent), have true conservative values (14 percent) and beat the Democrat (10 percent).

Voters who say strong leadership is the most important trait are most likely to support Trump by a wide 23-point margin.  He receives 36 percent among this group, followed by Cruz at 13 percent, Rubio at 12 percent and Carson at 11 percent.

While Trump still tops the list among those who prioritize honesty, it’s by a narrower 4-point margin: Trump (24 percent), Carson (20 percent), Rubio (13 percent) and Cruz (12 percent).

GOP primary voters think Trump is the Republican most likely to beat Clinton in the general election next year.  Some 42 percent feel that way.  Next is Rubio at 14 percent.

In the race for the Democratic nomination, there’s really no competition for the former secretary of state in the Palmetto State.  Clinton trounces Bernie Sanders by a margin of 65-21 percent, while Martin O’Malley garners just 3 percent among South Carolina Democratic primary voters.

Clinton’s support is highest among women (72 percent) and black voters (82 percent). Just over half of men also back her (54 percent). White voters are about as likely to support Sanders (37 percent) as Clinton (39 percent).

Overall, there are striking differences in the mood of partisans in South Carolina.

Nearly 6 in 10 Democratic primary voters are satisfied with how things are going in the country today (59 percent).  Almost all of their Republican counterparts, 89 percent, are unhappy with the way things are going.

In addition, a majority of Republican voters (61 percent) says it feels like the economy is getting worse for their family, while over half of Democrats say things are getting better (53 percent).

The Fox News Poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R). The poll was conducted December 5-8, 2015, by telephone (landline and cellphone) with live interviewers among a random sample of 801 South Carolina voters selected from a statewide voter file.  Results for the 364 likely Democratic primary voters have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5 percentage points and for the 437 likely Republican primary voters it is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/09/fox-news-poll-trump-clinton-dominate-primary-races-in-south-carolina.html?intcmp=hpbt4
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on December 09, 2015, 08:44:12 PM
It's okay if trump wins Iowa, New Hampshire and now, south Carolina.   Magically, some people still think trump will somehow lose.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 14, 2015, 09:31:24 AM
NBC Poll: Clinton Would Trounce Trump But Lose to Rubio, Carson
by CARRIE DANN
DEC 14 2015,

Hillary Clinton would defeat Ted Cruz and trounce Donald Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head general election matchup, but she would lose to Marco Rubio or Ben Carson, a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds.

Clinton, who leads the Democratic primary field by nearly 20 points, would have a strong advantage over Trump with independent voters but would be bested by the three other Republicans with the important swing group.

The poll, conducted Dec. 6-9, shows Clinton getting the support of 56 percent of Democrats, compared to 37 percent who back Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and 4 percent who back former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

Against Trump, the Democratic front-runner would win 50 percent to 40 percent. Among independents, she would capture 43 percent of the vote, compared to 36 percent for Trump. Among Hispanics, Clinton would get 69 percent of the vote, compared to just 24 percent for Trump.

And against Cruz, who has surged in recent polls in the important early state of Iowa, Clinton would win with 48 percent to Cruz's 45 percent, though that's within the poll's margin of error of plus-minus 3.36 percentage points.

Despite losing significant support in the NBC/WSJ poll among Republican primary voters, Carson, a former neurosurgeon, still performs competitively against the former secretary of state. He would get 47 percent of the vote in a hypothetical matchup, compared to Clinton's 46 percent. His strong showing would largely be fueled by independent voters, who made up about 11 percent of the poll's sample of registered voters. They would back Carson by double digits, 48 percent to 34 percent.

Rubio, a senator from Florida, would fare the best overall against Clinton, winning a head-to-head clash 48 percent to 45 percent (also within the poll's margin of error.) Among independents, his margin of victory would be 44 percent to her 37 percent.

Among Hispanics, Rubio would get 36 percent of the vote, compared to Clinton's 59 percent.

Rubio would also perform best with female voters out of the top GOP contenders, capturing 44 percent to Clinton's 51 percent. That's compared to Trump's dismal showing of 33 percent to Clinton's 57 percent.

The NBC/WSJ poll of 1000 adults was conducted December 6-9. It has a margin of error of +/- 3.36 percentage points.

More results from the new NBC/WSJ poll will be released later on Monday, December 14.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/nbc-poll-clinton-would-trounce-trump-lose-rubio-carson-n478676
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 23, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
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Image: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary  (Wire Services Photo)   
By Greg Richter     
Wednesday, 23 Dec 2015
 
A new CNN/ORC poll shows Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton maintaining her commanding lead, though she would face a challenge from the top three Republicans if a general election were held today.

Clinton's national support had been waning, but she was able to boost her numbers following Saturday's Democratic debate.

 The poll talked to registered voters who are Democrats or independents who lean Democratic.
•Hillary Clinton: 50 percent
•Bernie Sanders 34 percent
•Martin O'Malley 3 percent

Here's how Clinton fares in head-to-head matchups with the top three Republicans among registered voters:
 •Hillary Clinton has 49 percent against Donald Trump at 47 percent
•Hillary Clinton has 46 percent against Ted Cruz at 48 percent
•Hillary Clinton has 46 percent against Marco Rubio at 49 percent

 The poll was conducted by phone December 17-21 and talked to 1,018 adults. The margin of error for the entire sample was plus-or-minus 3 percentage points. The margin for the 414 registered Democrats or Democratic leaning independents is plus-or-minus 5 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/poll-marco-rubio-ted-cruz-beat/2015/12/23/id/706984/#ixzz3vC58uZ6a
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on December 23, 2015, 05:05:01 PM
CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
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Image: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary  (Wire Services Photo)   
By Greg Richter     
Wednesday, 23 Dec 2015
 
A new CNN/ORC poll shows Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton maintaining her commanding lead, though she would face a challenge from the top three Republicans if a general election were held today.

Clinton's national support had been waning, but she was able to boost her numbers following Saturday's Democratic debate.

 The poll talked to registered voters who are Democrats or independents who lean Democratic.
•Hillary Clinton: 50 percent
•Bernie Sanders 34 percent
•Martin O'Malley 3 percent

Here's how Clinton fares in head-to-head matchups with the top three Republicans among registered voters:
 •Hillary Clinton has 49 percent against Donald Trump at 47 percent
•Hillary Clinton has 46 percent against Ted Cruz at 48 percent
•Hillary Clinton has 46 percent against Marco Rubio at 49 percent

 The poll was conducted by phone December 17-21 and talked to 1,018 adults. The margin of error for the entire sample was plus-or-minus 3 percentage points. The margin for the 414 registered Democrats or Democratic leaning independents is plus-or-minus 5 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/poll-marco-rubio-ted-cruz-beat/2015/12/23/id/706984/#ixzz3vC58uZ6a

I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face, "She is a very weak candidate and very vulnerable come next autumn"
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 23, 2015, 05:15:50 PM
I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face, "She is a very weak candidate and very vulnerable come next autumn"

Her dishonesty poll numbers are off the charts.  And people don't like her. 

That said, the MSM is a powerful tool that will compensate for problems with likeability and lack of integrity.  Just look at how much cover she is getting.  I just looked a compilation of some of her greatest hits.   The sniper fire lie was pretty egregious.  But you will not see the MSM questioning her integrity when she becomes the nominee.

   

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on December 23, 2015, 06:38:31 PM
Her dishonesty poll numbers are off the charts.  And people don't like her. 

That said, the MSM is a powerful tool that will compensate for problems with likeability and lack of integrity.  Just look at how much cover she is getting.  I just looked a compilation of some of her greatest hits.   The sniper fire lie was pretty egregious.  But you will not see the MSM questioning her integrity when she becomes the nominee.

   



Her pandering and phoniness has been off the charts here recently.

She is currently receiving some blowback for trying to portray herself as "just like your Hispanic grandmother"  ::)


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on December 23, 2015, 08:44:53 PM
Luckily for hi lady, she probably doesn't have to run against Rubio or cruz. 

Republicans love trump for his lack of filter.  Presidents don't need filters, right?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: whork on December 24, 2015, 03:54:07 AM
She is a lying girl thats for sure.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 28, 2015, 09:05:44 AM
Tip for nominees: Get a younger VP
By Sophie Tatum, CNN
Sun December 27, 2015

The Republican and Democratic nominations are both undecided, but it's not too early to consider running mates
"I do think that the generational box for in the Democratic Party has to be checked as well," Donna Brazile said

(CNN)The Republican and Democratic nominations are both undecided, but it's not too early to consider running mates.

Sunday morning on CNN's "State of the Union" host Jake Tapper queried panelists about who could end up as understudies.

CNN political commentator Donna Brazile emphasized one need for a Democratic ticket headed by either Hillary Clinton, 68, or Bernie Sanders, 74.

"I do think that the generational box for in the Democratic Party has to be checked," Brazile said.

Clinton and Sanders have both attempted to tap into a more youthful voter pool, with backing, respectively, from pop singer Katy Perry and Atlanta-based rapper Killer Mike.

A young vice-presidential choice could help, SOTU panelists agreed. After all, GOP front-runner Donald Trump is 69. GOP contender Ben Carson is 64 and Jeb Bush is 62.

A younger Republican nominee could pose a serious challenge to Hillary Clinton, said CNN political commentator Ana Navarro. She cited Sens. Ted Cruz, 45 and Marco Rubio, 44, as potential beneficiaries of the age issue. Either could pose a "You're yesterday, we're tomorrow," argument against the opponents old enough to be their parents.

"And elections are about tomorrow," Tapper said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/27/politics/democrats-generational-gap/index.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on January 12, 2016, 08:52:05 AM
Hypothetical head-to-head matchups

Clinton currently ties or trails the Republicans in each of the possible 2016 matchups tested.

Rubio (50-41 percent) and Cruz (50-43 percent) perform best against the presumptive Democratic nominee.  Rubio has a nine-point advantage and Cruz is up by seven.

Trump tops Clinton by three points (47-44 percent) and Bush ties at 44 percent each.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/09/fox-news-poll-trump-cruz-top-gop-race-nationally.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on January 18, 2016, 10:19:06 AM
Sanders: Trump a 'Pathological Liar'
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Image: Sanders: Trump a 'Pathological Liar'
By Greg Richter   
Sunday, 17 Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders has said during his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination that GOP front-runner Donald Trump is "pathological liar," and was asked Sunday on "Face the Nation" to provide examples.

"There are many," the Vermont Senator said. "He goes around telling people that I want to raise their taxes by 90 percent, that's a lie. I've never said that. It's not true."

Sanders also cited Trump's announcement speech where critics say he he called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, though Trump says he was not referring to all Mexicans and was saying only that the Mexician government was sending its criminal element across the border.

"And even worse, he goes around saying I, Donald Trump, I saw on television thousands of Muslims celebrating on 9/11 when the Twin Towers went down," Sanders said. "That's a lie. There is no evidence, there was never anything on television. It never happened. He has not apologized. He keeps saying it. That is pathological liar."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/sanders-trump-pathological-liar/2016/01/17/id/709812/#ixzz3xcZupmkB
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on January 18, 2016, 11:21:58 AM
Sanders: Trump a 'Pathological Liar' celebrating on 9/11 when the Twin Towers went down," Sanders said. "That's a lie. There is no evidence, there was never anything on television. It never happened. He has not apologized. He keeps saying it. That is pathological liar."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/sanders-trump-pathological-liar/2016/01/17/id/709812/#ixzz3xcZupmkB

Bernie, the socialist bastard, is 100% correct.

Trump did NOT see thousands of arabs in jersey city celebrating.  He didn't.  You can try to piece together "well, here's a claim" and "this cop saw six of them" but trump's statement is false.  Trump does the "stretch the truth a ton" thing...  Like Bill OReilly.   Repubs need a daddy, so they're okay with it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on January 25, 2016, 11:30:24 AM
This is from July 9, 2015.  I don't know if it would be this bad, but she likely beats Trump badly, unless she is indicted, in which case she still probably wins a close one. 

Projection shows Clinton defeats Donald Trump 419-119 on Electoral College map

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As seen above, Hillary Clinton would dominate Donald Trump on the Electoral College map
Screenshot by Ryan Witt

Donald Trump announced his presidential campaign June 16, and according to a poll released yesterday from Public Policy Polling Trump is now leading all Republican candidates in North Carolina. A CNN/ORC poll has Trump second among all Republican candidates nationally, and a Quinnipiac University poll has Trump placing second in the key state of Iowa. Suddenly analysts are beginning to consider the possibility that Trump really could win the Republican Party nomination for president. If so, as the above Electoral College map shows, Democrats may be elated. According to the most recent polling available, Trump would lose against Clinton 119-419 in a theoretical Electoral College matchup. Follow me on Facebook and Twitter for more Electoral College and polling updates throughout the 2016 presidential election.

So how is this projections made?

First, the projection takes into account how Democrats and Republicans performed in the last three presidential elections. While past results do not always indicate future performance, the recent presidential elections give us a fairly good idea of how the demographics of each state favor or disfavor each party. More emphasis is put on the last presidential election in 2012 since that date is obviously more recent and, therefore, more likely to be accurate.

Second, trends for each state are considered. Trends are determined by looking at the last three presidential elections and also the changing demographics of each state.

Finally, the projection also accounts for any polling done within that state and the national polls done thus far. Unfortunately there are no polls available showing how Clinton would perform against Trump in individual states. What is available is national polls which show Clinton performing very strong against Trump. See below:

Clinton 59% v. Trump 35% (CNN Opinion Research 6/28)
Clinton 51% v. Trump 34% (Fox News 6/23)
Clinton 50% v. Trump 32% (Quinnipiac 5/26)

The Real Clear Politics of average of the three polls gives Clinton a 19.6 point lead over Trump. In comparison, Real Clear Politics average gives Clinton only a 3.8 point lead over Senator Rand Paul.

In 2012 President Obama won the Electoral College 332-206 despite only beating Mitt Romney by 3 points nationally. The last time a candidate won by double digits nationally was Ronald Reagan in 1984, who won by 18 points against Walter Mondale. In that election Reagan won the Electoral College 525-13.

Using the national polls and past results here is what a Trump versus Clinton Electoral College map would look like. This projection is actually generous to Trump, assuming he would only lose to Clinton by 14 points nationally, and that he would not suffer from the "bandwagon effect" in which voters flood to the candidate they perceive as the "winning candidate" if polls are lopsided leading up to an election.

Safe States for Clinton

State, Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result

California (55) –(D) 54%-44%, (D) 61%-37%, 37%, (D) 60%-37%

Colorado (9) - (R) 52%-47%, (D) 54%-45%, (D) 51%-46%

Connecticut (7) – (D) 54%-44%, (D) 61%-38%, (D) 58%-41%

Delaware (3) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 59%-40%

Florida (29) - (R) 52%-49%, (D) 51%-48%, (D) 50%-49%

Hawaii (4) – (D) 54%-45%, (D) 72%-27%, (D) 71%-28%

Illinois (20) – (D) 55%-45%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 58%-41%

Iowa (6) - (R) 50%-49%, (D) 54%-44%, (D) 52%-46%

Maine (4) – (D) 54%-45%, (D) 58%-40%, (D) 56%-41%

Maryland (10) – (D) 56%-43%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 62%-37%

Massachusetts (11) – (D) 62%-37%, (D) 62%-36%, (D) 61%-38%

Michigan (16) – (D) 51%-48%, (D) 57%-41%, (D) 54%-45%

Minnesota (10) – (D) 51%-48%, (D) 54%-44%, (D) 53%-45%

Nevada (6) – (R) 51%-48%, (D) 55%-43%, (D) 52%-46%

New Hampshire (4) - (D) 50%-49%, (D) 54%-45%, (D) 52%-46%

New Mexico (5) – (R) 50%-49%, (D) 57%-42%, (D) 53%-43%

New Jersey (14) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 57%-42%, (D) 58%-41%

New York (29) – (D) 58%-40%, (D) 63%-36%, (D) 63%-35%

North Carolina (15) - (R) 56%-44%, (D) 50%-49%, (R) 50%-48%

Ohio (18) - (R) 51%-49%, (D) 52%-47%, (D) 51%-48%

Oregon (7) – (D) 52%-47%, (D) 57%-40%, (D) 54%-42%

Pennsylvania (20) - (D) 51%-49%, (D) 55%-44%, (D) 52%-47%

Rhode Island (4) – (D) 59%-39%, (D) 63%-35%, (D) 63%-35%

Vermont (3) – (D) 59%-39%, (D) 68%-30%, (D) 67%-31%

Virginia (13) – (R) 54%-46, (D) 53%-46%, (D) 51%-47%

Washington (12) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 58%-41%, (D) 57%-41%

Wisconsin (10) - (D) 50%-49%, (D) 56%-42%, (D) 53%-46%

Total Electoral Votes: 353

Analysis: As shown here a Trump versus Clinton matchup would really be over before it even began. By simply holding on to the states that Obama won in 2008 Clinton would already have over 270 votes, but given the strength of her polling against Trump she adds on to Obama's safe state territory with North Carolina.

Safe Trump States

State, Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result, Most Recent Poll

Alabama (9) – (R) 63%-37%, (R) 60%-39%, (R) 61%-38%

Arkansas (6) - (R) 54%-45%, (R) 59%-39%, (R) 61%-37%

Idaho (4) - (R) 69%-30%, (R) 62%-36%, (R) 65%-33%

Kansas (6) - (R) 62%-37%, (R) 57%-42%, (R) 60%-38%

Kentucky (8) - (R) 60%-40%, (R) 57%-41%, (R) 60%-38%

Nebraska (5) - (R) 66%-33%, (R) 56%-42%, (R) 60%-38%

North Dakota (3) - (R) 63%-36%, (R) 53%-45%, (R) 58%-39%

Oklahoma (7) - (R) 66%-34%, (R) 66%-34%, (R) 67%-33%

South Dakota (3) - (R) 60%-38%, (R) 53%-45%, (R) 58%-40%

Tennessee (11) - (R) 57%-43%, (R) 57%-42%, (R) 59%-39%

Utah (6) - (R) 73%-26%, (R) 63%-34%, (R) 73%-25%

West Virginia (5) - (R) 56%-43%, (R) 56%-43%, (R) 62%-36%

Wyoming (3) - (R) 69%-29%, (R) 65%-33%, (R) 69%-28%

Total Electoral Votes: 73

Analysis: Given a 14 point loss nationally to Clinton, Trump would only be assured of states that Mitt Romney by a very large margin in 2012. These states cover a vast amount of territory, but tend to have very few voters and therefore very few Electoral College votes.

Swing States

State, Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result

Alaska (3) – (R) 61%-36%, (R) 59%-38%, (R) 55%-41%, Projected Clinton Win

Arizona (11) - (R) 55%-44%, (R) 54%-45%, (R) 54%-45%, Projected Clinton Win

Georgia (16) - (R) 58%-41%, (R) 52%-47%, (R) 53%-45%, Projected Clinton Win

Indiana (11) - (R) 60%-39%, (D) 50%-49%, (R) 54%-44%, Projected Clinton Win

Louisiana (8 ) - (R) 57%-42%, (R) 59%-40%, (R) 58%-41%, Projected Trump Win

Mississippi (6) - (R) 60%-40%, (R) 56%-43%, (R) 55%-44%, Projected Clinton Win

Missouri (10) - (R) 53%-46%, (R) 49%-49%, (R) 54%-44%, Projected Clinton Win

South Carolina (9) - (R) 58%-41%, (R) 54%-45%, (R) 55%-44%, Projected Clinton Win

Texas (38) - (R) 61%-38%, (R) 56%-44%, (R) 57%-41%, Projected Trump Win

Analysis: The strength of Clinton versus Trump really shows up in the "swing state" analysis. States that Republican can usually count on like Alaska, Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina all the sudden become competitive if given Trump's large deficit nationally. Trump is projected to hold on to Texas and Louisiana by slim margin, but otherwise Clinton takes states that Romney won by less than 14 points in 2008, giving Clinton an even bigger lead. The final result after adding up all the Clinton wins is 419 electoral

http://www.examiner.com/article/projection-shows-clinton-defeats-donald-trump-419-119-on-electoral-college-map
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on January 25, 2016, 11:44:18 AM
Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio Get Des Moines Register Endorsement
by Danny Freeman 
Jan 23, 2016

Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Marco Rubio Saturday received the endorsement of the Des Moines Register, Iowa's biggest newspaper, just eight days ahead of the state's caucuses.

In endorsing Clinton in the Democratic primary, the paper's editorial board writes, "in the final analysis, Iowa Democrats will have to choose between the lofty idealism of Bernie Sanders and the down-to-earth pragmatism of Hillary Clinton. ... Clinton has demonstrated that she is a thoughtful, hardworking public servant who has earned the respect of leaders at home and abroad."

Picking Rubio on the Republican side, the editorial board writes that the GOP has "the opportunity to define their party's future in this election. They could choose anger, pessimism and fear. Or they could take a different path," adding, "we endorse him because he represents his party's best hope."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-marco-rubio-get-des-moines-register-endorsement-n502976
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on January 25, 2016, 08:14:53 PM
Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio Get Des Moines Register Endorsement

imagine a GOp primary where Walker, Cruz, Rand and Rubio are all making their case as to how to best fix America.

Not a GOP primary where Trump is threatening to sue Cruz for being an illegal, where Rubio is getting bottled water, where Rand, jeb, Walker are all history...

Obamacare isn't an issue.  SPending isnt' an issue.  Economy isn't an issue.  No, the big issue in 2016 is "greatness".   Sorry people, but the USA is pretty great today.  And yes, a smart republican with some spending cuts WOULD make it greater.  but all these "change for changes sake" people are ready to go back to square 1 when that isn't necessary.  Get a calm, collected republican to tweak things... don't bring in a lifelong liberal who radically changed parties and wants to start fires in every room he enters.  Hire a nurse, not a fcking stripper, America.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on February 08, 2016, 05:13:12 PM
Stossel: Why Marco Rubio and Hillary Clinton are 2016's likely nominees
By John Stossel, Maxim Lott  Published February 07, 2016 
FoxNews.com
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FILE -- Senator Marco Rubio (AP)

Donald Trump is way ahead in the polls for the Republican nomination. 

Bernie Sanders will win the New Hampshire Primary on Tuesday, and he’s close to Hillary Clinton in national polls. 

But neither Trump nor Sanders is likely to win!

In our new Fox News TV special, “Tech Revolution” at 8 and 11 pm ET Sunday night, we’ll explain why the better way to predict winners is to look at betting odds. They give Marco Rubio more than a 50 percent chance of winning the nomination, and Hillary Clinton an 80 percent chance.

Betting odds have a better track record than polls or pundits. They come from people who put their own money on the line, rather than people who just mouth off.

George Mason University economist Robin Hanson puts it this way:  Imagine you’re in a bar…

“You're pontificating -- and somebody challenges you and says, ‘want to bet?’ All of us, as soon as somebody says ‘want to bet?’ -- we pause. And go, ‘do I really believe that?’”

You are more careful when you bet.  If you aren’t, you lose money.  Think the odds above are wrong?  Put your money where your mouth is.     

American politicians banned most political prediction markets, but they’ve allowed a few, like PredictIt.org.

PreditctIt’s odds are a little off because bettors may not trade more than $850 per candidate. The odds on bigger unrestricted markets, like England’s Betfair.com, are more informative.   Because Betfair posts those odds in confusing gambling formulas, the two of us simplify them for Americans here: ElectionBettingOdds.com.

These odds update every five minutes.

Prediction markets like Betfair are not run by sketchy bookies.  They are businesses that operate the way stock markets do – people buy and sell “shares” that pay out based on whether a candidate is successful. Today, for about 10 cents, you can buy a share of Trump. If he becomes president, you win a dollar.     

These odds have a good track record. In November, Ben Carson surged to first place in polls, but bettors knew he would fade--Betfair had him at just 9 percent. Now his odds are below 1 percent.

Betting odds do sometimes fail: Until the evening of the Iowa caucus, bettors thought Donald Trump would win.

But they still beat polls and pundits. Part of the reason they’re good is the “wisdom of crowds.”

Some people betting may be fools making bad bets -- but enough of them have good information that the whole group of bets is likely to be accurate.  You see this on the TV show “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.”

Contestants can ask the audience, or an expert.  Experts do pretty well.  They get the answer right 65 percent of the time, but the audience gets it right 91 percent of the time.

Bets on a prediction market called Intrade accurately predicted “American Idol” winners, Oscar winners, and the election results in almost every U.S. state. They even predicted when Saddam Hussein would be captured. 

Sadly, our government said betting is “contrary to the public interest.” It sued Intrade and put them out of business.   We no longer have access to Intrade’s interesting and useful predictions.

Fortunately, a few sites still allow political betting, and the best odds are easily readable at ElectionBettingOdds.com.  And we’ll explain this better on TV Sunday night!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/02/07/stossel-why-marco-rubio-and-hillary-clinton-are-2016s-likely-nominees.html?intcmp=hpbt2
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on February 08, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
Kind of fun if you are into the process (people on this board may like it).  It is one superficial thing after the next, though, of course, which is the opposite of what it should be.

This is the middle part of a three-parter on the 2016 candidates.  It spends a little time with each one as they campaign at the Iowa State Fair.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on February 08, 2016, 05:52:28 PM
This is from July 9, 2015.  I don't know if it would be this bad, but she likely beats Trump badly, unless she is indicted, in which case she still probably wins a close one. 

Projection shows Clinton defeats Donald Trump 419-119 on Electoral College map

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As seen above, Hillary Clinton would dominate Donald Trump on the Electoral College map
Screenshot by Ryan Witt

Donald Trump announced his presidential campaign June 16, and according to a poll released yesterday from Public Policy Polling Trump is now leading all Republican candidates in North Carolina. A CNN/ORC poll has Trump second among all Republican candidates nationally, and a Quinnipiac University poll has Trump placing second in the key state of Iowa. Suddenly analysts are beginning to consider the possibility that Trump really could win the Republican Party nomination for president. If so, as the above Electoral College map shows, Democrats may be elated. According to the most recent polling available, Trump would lose against Clinton 119-419 in a theoretical Electoral College matchup. Follow me on Facebook and Twitter for more Electoral College and polling updates throughout the 2016 presidential election.

So how is this projections made?

First, the projection takes into account how Democrats and Republicans performed in the last three presidential elections. While past results do not always indicate future performance, the recent presidential elections give us a fairly good idea of how the demographics of each state favor or disfavor each party. More emphasis is put on the last presidential election in 2012 since that date is obviously more recent and, therefore, more likely to be accurate.

Second, trends for each state are considered. Trends are determined by looking at the last three presidential elections and also the changing demographics of each state.

Finally, the projection also accounts for any polling done within that state and the national polls done thus far. Unfortunately there are no polls available showing how Clinton would perform against Trump in individual states. What is available is national polls which show Clinton performing very strong against Trump. See below:

Clinton 59% v. Trump 35% (CNN Opinion Research 6/28)
Clinton 51% v. Trump 34% (Fox News 6/23)
Clinton 50% v. Trump 32% (Quinnipiac 5/26)

The Real Clear Politics of average of the three polls gives Clinton a 19.6 point lead over Trump. In comparison, Real Clear Politics average gives Clinton only a 3.8 point lead over Senator Rand Paul.

In 2012 President Obama won the Electoral College 332-206 despite only beating Mitt Romney by 3 points nationally. The last time a candidate won by double digits nationally was Ronald Reagan in 1984, who won by 18 points against Walter Mondale. In that election Reagan won the Electoral College 525-13.

Using the national polls and past results here is what a Trump versus Clinton Electoral College map would look like. This projection is actually generous to Trump, assuming he would only lose to Clinton by 14 points nationally, and that he would not suffer from the "bandwagon effect" in which voters flood to the candidate they perceive as the "winning candidate" if polls are lopsided leading up to an election.

Safe States for Clinton

State, Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result

California (55) –(D) 54%-44%, (D) 61%-37%, 37%, (D) 60%-37%

Colorado (9) - (R) 52%-47%, (D) 54%-45%, (D) 51%-46%

Connecticut (7) – (D) 54%-44%, (D) 61%-38%, (D) 58%-41%

Delaware (3) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 59%-40%

Florida (29) - (R) 52%-49%, (D) 51%-48%, (D) 50%-49%

Hawaii (4) – (D) 54%-45%, (D) 72%-27%, (D) 71%-28%

Illinois (20) – (D) 55%-45%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 58%-41%

Iowa (6) - (R) 50%-49%, (D) 54%-44%, (D) 52%-46%

Maine (4) – (D) 54%-45%, (D) 58%-40%, (D) 56%-41%

Maryland (10) – (D) 56%-43%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 62%-37%

Massachusetts (11) – (D) 62%-37%, (D) 62%-36%, (D) 61%-38%

Michigan (16) – (D) 51%-48%, (D) 57%-41%, (D) 54%-45%

Minnesota (10) – (D) 51%-48%, (D) 54%-44%, (D) 53%-45%

Nevada (6) – (R) 51%-48%, (D) 55%-43%, (D) 52%-46%

New Hampshire (4) - (D) 50%-49%, (D) 54%-45%, (D) 52%-46%

New Mexico (5) – (R) 50%-49%, (D) 57%-42%, (D) 53%-43%

New Jersey (14) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 57%-42%, (D) 58%-41%

New York (29) – (D) 58%-40%, (D) 63%-36%, (D) 63%-35%

North Carolina (15) - (R) 56%-44%, (D) 50%-49%, (R) 50%-48%

Ohio (18) - (R) 51%-49%, (D) 52%-47%, (D) 51%-48%

Oregon (7) – (D) 52%-47%, (D) 57%-40%, (D) 54%-42%

Pennsylvania (20) - (D) 51%-49%, (D) 55%-44%, (D) 52%-47%

Rhode Island (4) – (D) 59%-39%, (D) 63%-35%, (D) 63%-35%

Vermont (3) – (D) 59%-39%, (D) 68%-30%, (D) 67%-31%

Virginia (13) – (R) 54%-46, (D) 53%-46%, (D) 51%-47%

Washington (12) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 58%-41%, (D) 57%-41%

Wisconsin (10) - (D) 50%-49%, (D) 56%-42%, (D) 53%-46%

Total Electoral Votes: 353

Analysis: As shown here a Trump versus Clinton matchup would really be over before it even began. By simply holding on to the states that Obama won in 2008 Clinton would already have over 270 votes, but given the strength of her polling against Trump she adds on to Obama's safe state territory with North Carolina.

Safe Trump States

State, Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result, Most Recent Poll

Alabama (9) – (R) 63%-37%, (R) 60%-39%, (R) 61%-38%

Arkansas (6) - (R) 54%-45%, (R) 59%-39%, (R) 61%-37%

Idaho (4) - (R) 69%-30%, (R) 62%-36%, (R) 65%-33%

Kansas (6) - (R) 62%-37%, (R) 57%-42%, (R) 60%-38%

Kentucky (8) - (R) 60%-40%, (R) 57%-41%, (R) 60%-38%

Nebraska (5) - (R) 66%-33%, (R) 56%-42%, (R) 60%-38%

North Dakota (3) - (R) 63%-36%, (R) 53%-45%, (R) 58%-39%

Oklahoma (7) - (R) 66%-34%, (R) 66%-34%, (R) 67%-33%

South Dakota (3) - (R) 60%-38%, (R) 53%-45%, (R) 58%-40%

Tennessee (11) - (R) 57%-43%, (R) 57%-42%, (R) 59%-39%

Utah (6) - (R) 73%-26%, (R) 63%-34%, (R) 73%-25%

West Virginia (5) - (R) 56%-43%, (R) 56%-43%, (R) 62%-36%

Wyoming (3) - (R) 69%-29%, (R) 65%-33%, (R) 69%-28%

Total Electoral Votes: 73

Analysis: Given a 14 point loss nationally to Clinton, Trump would only be assured of states that Mitt Romney by a very large margin in 2012. These states cover a vast amount of territory, but tend to have very few voters and therefore very few Electoral College votes.

Swing States

State, Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result

Alaska (3) – (R) 61%-36%, (R) 59%-38%, (R) 55%-41%, Projected Clinton Win

Arizona (11) - (R) 55%-44%, (R) 54%-45%, (R) 54%-45%, Projected Clinton Win

Georgia (16) - (R) 58%-41%, (R) 52%-47%, (R) 53%-45%, Projected Clinton Win

Indiana (11) - (R) 60%-39%, (D) 50%-49%, (R) 54%-44%, Projected Clinton Win

Louisiana (8 ) - (R) 57%-42%, (R) 59%-40%, (R) 58%-41%, Projected Trump Win

Mississippi (6) - (R) 60%-40%, (R) 56%-43%, (R) 55%-44%, Projected Clinton Win

Missouri (10) - (R) 53%-46%, (R) 49%-49%, (R) 54%-44%, Projected Clinton Win

South Carolina (9) - (R) 58%-41%, (R) 54%-45%, (R) 55%-44%, Projected Clinton Win

Texas (38) - (R) 61%-38%, (R) 56%-44%, (R) 57%-41%, Projected Trump Win

Analysis: The strength of Clinton versus Trump really shows up in the "swing state" analysis. States that Republican can usually count on like Alaska, Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina all the sudden become competitive if given Trump's large deficit nationally. Trump is projected to hold on to Texas and Louisiana by slim margin, but otherwise Clinton takes states that Romney won by less than 14 points in 2008, giving Clinton an even bigger lead. The final result after adding up all the Clinton wins is 419 electoral

http://www.examiner.com/article/projection-shows-clinton-defeats-donald-trump-419-119-on-electoral-college-map

Btw, this may have been from before Trump began his rise.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on February 08, 2016, 08:02:40 PM
Btw, this may have been from before Trump began his rise.

It's from July 2015.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on February 08, 2016, 08:08:23 PM
Stossel: Why Marco Rubio and Hillary Clinton are 2016's likely nominees

it's nonstop Rubio love from you.   what is that, 2, 3, 4 pro-Rubio articles or polls from you tonight?

sheesh.  If you want a pro-amnesty robot, I guess rubio is the man for the job.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on February 08, 2016, 08:12:38 PM
it's nonstop Rubio love from you.   what is that, 2, 3, 4 pro-Rubio articles or polls from you tonight?

sheesh.  If you want a pro-amnesty robot, I guess rubio is the man for the job.

Shut the heck up you Obama-voting liberal lapdop water-carrying troll.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on February 08, 2016, 08:33:39 PM
It's from July 2015.

That's what I mean.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on February 11, 2016, 04:10:10 PM
What are these clowns up to?  Looking to hit a nerve and rake in a bunch of donations?

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on February 12, 2016, 11:02:34 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on February 12, 2016, 11:28:04 AM
Christie has completely neutered the 'rising star' Rubio.

Of course, his inability to stop himself from repeating himself THE VERY NEXT DAY didn't help him.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on February 17, 2016, 10:44:00 AM
CNN Poll: Clinton, Sanders in Dead Heat in Nevada
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Image: CNN Poll: Clinton, Sanders in Dead Heat in Nevada (Getty Images)
Wednesday, 17 Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are in a dead heat in Nevada, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

In a survey of likely Democratic caucus-goers, the former secretary of state holds a mere one-point lead over the U.S. Senator from Vermont — 48 to 47 percent. The difference is well within the margin of error of 6 percent.

Clinton held a 16-point lead over Sanders in Nevada in October, according to CNN.

With the latest poll results so narrow, the outcome of Saturday's Nevada Democratic Caucus could rest with undecided voters. According to the CNN poll, 75 percent of voters have either made up their minds or are leaning toward a candidate, leaving one quarter of Nevada Democrats "still trying to decide."

Clinton tracked strongly with Nevada Democrats when asked who would do the best on handling key issues.
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The economy:
Clinton: 48 percent
Sanders: 47 percent
Healthcare:
Clinton: 55 percent
Sanders: 39 percent
Race relations:
Clinton: 58 percent
Sanders: 39 percent
Foreign policy:
Clinton: 69 percent
Sanders: 28 percent
Immigration:
Clinton: 56 percent
Sanders: 37 percent
When asked which Democratic candidate had the best chance of winning in November, poll respondents favored Clinton over Sanders 56 to 40 percent.

Among Republicans, Donald Trump holds a solid lead.

The results:
Trump 45 percent
Rubio 19 percent
Cruz 17 percent
Carson 7 percent
Kasich 5 percent
Bush 1 percent

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/CNN-Poll-Clinton-Bernie-Sanders-Dead-Heat/2016/02/17/id/714726/#ixzz40S6EVAJp
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on February 23, 2016, 08:48:06 AM
Those who think the race is over on either side after three contests should look at the 92 election, where Bill Clinton did not win a primary/caucus until the sixth state.  This is more analogous to the GOP race today.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_1992

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on February 23, 2016, 10:21:11 AM
Those who think the race is over on either side after three contests should look at the 92 election, where Bill Clinton did not win a primary/caucus until the sixth state.  This is more analogous to the GOP race today.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_1992

That only works IF a bloomberg or mark cuban or some other crazy billionaire decides to run (ala perot).

With no perot in the race in 1992, Bush1 smashes the womanizing Clinton.

Dude, if you're down to looking at 92 as the chance for how Trump loses this, you're desperate.  I get it.  Trump being the face of the GOP is horrifying for a traditional person like you.  He's an emotional joke and he's lib at best, crazy at worst.  But he's your guy now.  It'll be Trump/Rubio.  Accept it.  Expect it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on February 24, 2016, 11:55:57 AM
Why President Trump Would Be A Bigger Disaster Than Hillary
For conservatives, supporting Trump would mean facilitating their own destruction.
By David Harsanyi
February 23, 2016
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There’s still time to turn it around, of course, but now that many conservatives are moving from the bargaining to the depression phase of the Kübler-Ross cycle, we can begin to grapple with the prospective reality of a Trump-versus-Hillary general election.

If you’re an ideological conservative, a proponent of limited government, or someone who believes that the president has too much power already, you shouldn’t think of this matchup as a contest between horrifying candidates. Rather, you should ask yourself, “Which scenario would be more damaging?” I’m pretty sure you’ll find that Donald Trump is the form of the Destructor.

But Hillary is the worst, most evil, liberal ever!

Yes. You should be counting on it. Hillary, as you may have noticed, does not have the charisma of Barack Obama. Not only will she be divisive and ethically compromised, but Hillary will also galvanize the Right. Her presidency — even more now that she’s dropped the pretense of centrism — would reinforce the traditional ideological distinctions we’ve debated for years. Republicans would almost certainly unite against her agenda, which will be little more than codifying Obama’s legacy — a collection of policies that half the country still hates.

Hillary’s presidency would reinforce the traditional ideological distinctions we’ve debated for years.

She won’t be able to pass anything substantive. The most likely outcome is another four to eight years of trench warfare in D.C., with a number of winnable, state-level issues for conservatives. Probably, if historical disposition of the electorate holds, a Republican Congress. (Who knows what happens to Congress if Trump is elected.) Hardly ideal. But unless you believe that an active Washington is the best Washington, gridlock is not the end of the world.

The myth that Democrats get everything will persist. But despite plenty of well-earned criticism, the GOP has been a more effective minority party than constituents give them credit for. People are frustrated, but the idealists have (had?) been gaining ground since the Tea Party emerged. Their presence has put a stop to an array of progressive reform efforts that the pre-2010 GOP would surely have gone along with.

With a Trump presidency this dynamic disintegrates.

Trump’s inclination is never to free Americans from the state, but rather to do a better job administering the state through great deals and assertive leadership.

Just as some Republicans are already warming to the idea of his candidacy, the temptation in Congress to follow Trumpism — a philosophy based on the vagaries of one man — will be strong. Trump’s inclination is never to free Americans from the state (“we’re gonna take care of everybody!”) but rather to do a better job administering the state through great deals and assertive leadership. Or, everything the Founders didn’t want the presidency to be.

So while gridlock will still hold up most issues conservatives do care about, chances are high, considering his long history of supporting big government, that Trump would try and cobble together a populist coalition for polices they hate. This will end up marginalizing ideological conservatism from within the party.

I mean, what will Reaganites gain from this presidency? The idea that Trump could dismantle Obamacare — when he backs many of its components and has yet to offer any genuine ideas about how he’s going to do it — is a fantasy. The idea that Trump would name originalists to the Supreme Court is equally risible when you consider that Trump has shown absolutely no clue or inclination to understand what originalism entails.

There is little question Trump would abuse power. In some way, it’s the point of his candidacy.

There is little question Trump would abuse power. In some way, it’s the point of his candidacy. The thing that gets his admirers excited. “Finally, someone who will use the IRS for us. Someone who will circumvent Congress for us. Obama gets everything; why shouldn’t we?”

Some Republicans, already complicit in looking the other way on executive overreach, will likely be enablers — especially when it comes to issues they can get behind, like immigration. Maybe no one cares about free markets and constitutional idealism anymore. The working class is mad! How dare you disrespect its concerns?

There’s a difference between caring about the plight of working stiffs and embracing isolationism, high tariffs, and other policies that would destroy their long-term prospects. Is everyone supposed to surrender to mercantilism because it makes 30 percent of angry voters feel better? You can’t let a mob run your party. And it’s not a mob because it’s hyper-populist or constructed around a cult of celebrity or even because it’s angry — though all those things are true. The problem is that it’s incoherent and nihilistic.

“I hate Jeb Bush, so I’m going to vote for Donald Trump and burn your whole party down” is a non sequitur.

It’s worth pointing out that the chances of protectionist policies passing — with a bipartisan coalition of progressives and right-protectionists — are far higher under Trump than Clinton. Why should free traders help facilitate this kind of disaster? So they can brag about having a Republican president?

At some point there’s going to be a counterrevolution.

None of this is to argue the conservative movement or the Republican Party is in good shape, that the status quo is working well, or that the leadership doesn’t deserve what’s coming. I’m not saying someone shouldn’t blow up the Republican Party. I’m saying that that someone shouldn’t be an unprincipled imposter. Because at some point there’s going to be a counterrevolution. Those who swear up and down that they would never vote for Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio because they aren’t conservative enough shouldn’t be surprised that a large faction on the Right (more than likely, the larger faction on the Right) won’t support a candidate who is adversarial to its belief system.

To support Trump would be an exercise in pure partisanship. For conservatives, it would mean facilitating their own destruction. It makes no sense.

David Harsanyi is a Senior Editor at The Federalist. Follow him on Twitter.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/23/why-president-trump-would-be-a-bigger-disaster-than-hillary/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on February 24, 2016, 12:16:22 PM
Even things represented as Republican-hits on Trump, point to Hillary.  Everything points to Hillary.

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on February 25, 2016, 09:10:48 AM
Why President Trump Would Be A Bigger Disaster Than Hillary
For conservatives, supporting Trump would mean facilitating their own destruction.
By David Harsanyi

this is an excellent article.  Every getbigger should read it twice. 

Trump is all about govt takeover - his way. 
hilary is all about govt takeover - obama's way.

Cruz is all about the govt ending its mean takeover practices and scaling back its power.

If you support trump, then you support big govt in every part of people's lives - you just support his reasons for it.

Trump WILL kill conservatism for a decade, win or lose.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2016, 09:40:34 AM
Political Science Professor: Odds Of President Trump Range BETWEEN 97% AND 99%
ERIC OWENS
Education Editor
02/24/2016
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Donald Trump Getty Images/Spencer Platt   Donald Trump Getty Images/Spencer Platt

A political science professor who claims his statistical model has correctly predicted the results of every election in the last 104 years has forecast that the odds of Donald Trump becoming America’s next president currently range from 97 percent to 99 percent.

The professor is Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University, reports The Statesman, the campus newspaper at the public bastion on New York’s Long Island.

Specifically, Norpoth predicts that Trump has a 97 percent chance of beating Hillary Clinton and a 99 percent chance of beating Bernie Sanders.

The predictions assume Trump will actually become the 2016 presidential nominee of the Republican Party. (RELATED: Trump Has Never Voted In A Republican Primary)

Norpoth announced his prognostication on Monday night during Stony Brook Alumni Association event at the SUNY Global Center in Manhattan.

“The bottom line is that the primary model, using also the cyclical movement, makes it almost certain that Donald Trump will be the next president,” Norpoth said, according to The Statesman.

“When I started out with this kind of display a few months ago, I thought it was sort of a joke,” the professor told the alumni audience, according to the student newspaper. “Well, I’ll tell you right now, it ain’t a joke anymore.”

“Trump beats Hillary 54.7 percent to 45.3 percent” in terms of popular vote, Norpoth prophesied. (RELATED: From Immigration To Abortion, Longtime Democrat Donald Trump Must Reckon With His Rich Progressive History)

“This is almost too much to believe,” he told audience members described by the student as nervously laughing. But he is convinced his model won’t be wrong.

“Take it to the bank,” Norpoth confidently suggested.

Norpoth, a 1974 University of Michigan Ph.D. recipient who specializes in electoral behavior alignment, said his crystal ball also shows a 61-percent chance that the Republican nominee — Trump or not — will win the 2016 presidential election.

The political scientist also said there is virtually no way Trump could lose the Electoral College vote if he rakes in 54.7 percent — or more — of the vote.

Norpoth’s general election formula measures candidates’ performances in primaries in caucuses to gauge party unity and voter excitement. It also focuses on certain patterns in electoral cycles. One major assumption is that the party which has just held the presidency for two consecutive terms is less likely to win a third term.

The model has been correct for every election since 1912 except for the 1960 election — which pitted winner John F. Kennedy against loser Richard Nixon.
In total, Norpoth observed, his forecasting formula he has created has been correct 96.1 percent of the time since 1912.

The professor said he has used the model in recent times to predict Bill Clinton’s victories as well as George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s wins.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/24/political-science-professor-odds-of-president-trump-range-between-97-and-99/#ixzz41CcR4Vdp
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2016, 09:44:43 AM
Trump and Sanders: The founders’ worst nightmare
John Yoo
February 11, 2016 | The Weekly Standard

Constitution, Elections, Executive Branch, Politics and Public Opinion

Our Framers would despair about the winners of the nation’s first presidential primaries in New Hampshire. Though polar opposites with very different ideological starting points, both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders would have set the Framers’ hair – or wigs – on fire. They designed the Constitution to moderate the people at home while preparing a president to act quickly to counter emergencies, crises, and war abroad. Instead, the Republicans have a demagogue and the Democrats have an economic radical who promise swift, extreme change.

A supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders hands out signs to people gathered outside ahead of a campaign stop by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at the meeting of the New England Police Benevolent Association in Portsmouth, New Hampshire December 10, 2015. Reuters

A supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders hands out signs to people gathered outside ahead of a campaign stop by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at the meeting of the New England Police Benevolent Association in Portsmouth, New Hampshire December 10, 2015. Reuters
The men who met in Philadelphia in 1787 to write a new constitution designed it to prevent someone like Donald Trump from ever becoming president. One of their great fears was of a populist demagogue who would promise the people everything and respect nothing. As Alexander Hamilton, the key theorist of executive power during the Founding, warned in Federalist 67: “Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honours of a single state.”

Talents for low intrigue. Little arts of popularity. The founder of this newspaper may not have known Trump, but he clearly knew men like him. Insulting braggadocio and self-aggrandizement are not the 21st Century exclusives of reality show hosts and cable news guests.

To prevent mindless populism from seizing the White House, the Founders rejected nationwide election of the president. Instead, they created the Electoral College. States choose electors (equal to the number of their members of the House and Senate), who meet and send their votes to Congress. If there is no majority, then the House votes by state delegation to choose the chief executive.

While the Electoral College today seems Rube Goldberg-esque, it served the important purpose of weeding out emotional passions and popular, but poor, candidates. “The choice of several, to form an intermediate body of electors, will be much less apt to convulse the community, with any extraordinary or violent movements,” Hamilton wrote, “than the choice of one, who was himself to be the final object of the public wishes.” He also praised the separate meeting of electors and the Congress as another brake on rash populism. “This detached and divided situation will expose [electors] much less to heats and ferments, that might be communicated from them to the people,” he observed.

The Framers would also be aghast at Bernie Sanders. His calls for a political revolution, fomenting of class hatreds, and desires for a socialist economy also run directly contrary to the Framers design. The Framers believed our Constitution and our government should not view or think of people as economic classes or special interests. They were not naïve – they knew that what they called “factions” were an inevitable product of democracy. “Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an ailment, without which it instantly expires,” James Madison wrote in Federalist 10. “But it could not be a less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air.”

Our Constitution did not address the specter of factions by creating a government so strong that, in the hands of a crusading populist, it could crush special interests. Instead, it creates a decentralized government too difficult for one party to take over. It divides the national government between president, Congress, and the Judiciary. It further keeps federal power narrow and reserves authority over most of daily life to the 50 states. America would never suffer Sanders’ political revolution or his wish to transfer the “means of production” (for those who have forgotten their Karl Marx since the fall of the Soviet Union, he is referring to private property and financial and intellectual capital) from private hands to the public. Ask the communist nations of Europe and Asia, with millions of lives lost and millions more oppressed from the 1930s-1980s, how that experiment turned out.

As many European and American intellectuals have lamented, no serious socialist or communist party has ever succeeded in the United States. There is a reason why Bernie Sanders comes from a tiny state and represents a caucus of one. Our Constitution’s separation of powers and federalism raises too many barriers for any movement to take over all of the levers of government and impose an ideology on the United States. Even if they get too carried away by the latest intellectual fad or passionate anger, the American people have the handbrake of the Constitution to stop them from making a catastrophic mistake. It is time for them to pull it on Trump and Sanders.

https://www.aei.org/publication/trump-and-sanders-the-founders-worst-nightmare/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on February 27, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
Libertarian debate tonight.  All the "Libertarians" on the board, and probably none even knew it's on.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 08, 2016, 01:44:19 PM
Cruz, Rubio Now Trouncing Trump in Head-to-Head Polls
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Image: Cruz, Rubio Now Trouncing Trump in Head-to-Head Polls  (Getty Images)
By Sandy Fitzgerald     
Tuesday, 08 Mar 2016

Republicans who don't support Donald Trump are more likely to prefer either Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio should the race go to a one-on-one contest, or would even favor a contested convention rather than have Trump take the nomination, a new ABC News/Washington Post poll reveals.

By the numbers, Trump continues to lead overall in the poll of 1,000 Republican and Republican-leaning voters surveyed by phone on March 3-6:

•Donald Trump: 34 percent
•Ted Cruz: 25 percent
•Marco Rubio: 18 percent
•John Kasich: 13 percent

But in one-on-one matchups: •Cruz leads Trump by 54-41 percent

•Rubio leads Trump by 51-45 percent
•Among non-Trump supporters, seven in 10 say they'd prefer Cruz or Rubio.
•Very conservative Republicans: Cruz  over Trump, 60-34 percent; Rubio over Trump, 56-41 percent;
•Evangelical white Protestants: Cruz over Trump  by 64-31; Rubio over Trump, 55-42 percent.

In January, Trump had a 16-point lead and Ohio Gov. John Kasich was in the single digits:

•Donald Trump: 37 percent
•Ted Cruz: 21 percent
•Marco Rubio: 11 percent
•John Kasich: 2 percent

Trump's lead over Cruz is now 9 points.

Among Democrats, Hillary Clinton's lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders has slipped to an all-time low:

•Hillary Clinton: 49 percent
•Bernie Sanders: 42 percent.

Clinton held a 19-point lead over Sanders three months ago.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/poll-cruz-rubio-trounce/2016/03/08/id/718001/#ixzz42LlNFAUc
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 10, 2016, 10:07:00 AM
Karl Rove: Trump Isn't Outpolling Hillary
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Image: Karl Rove: Trump Isn't Outpolling Hillary  Karl Rove (AP)
By Cathy Burke   |   Thursday, 10 Mar 2016

Donald Trump isn't in a very strong position for a match-up with Hillary Clinton, despite his claims to have dominant polling results in head-to-head contests with the Democratic front-runner, according to GOP policy adviser Karl Rove.

In a commentary for the Wall Street Journal, the former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff for the George W. Bush administration argues battleground states pose a particular problem for the GOP front-runner — and that's even before Democrats turn their full attention to him.

"[Democrats] will pummel him over his bankruptcies, this summer's Trump University fraud trial, his crude and misogynistic statements, his nativism while hiring foreign workers, his imperious manner," Rove writes. "These things may not matter to Mr. Trump's die-hard Republican primary supporters; they will matter to swing voters in a general election."

Rove writes Trump's assertions that he out-polls Clinton are "not true."

"In the 49 national polls since the beginning of last May, he led [Clinton] in five, was tied in two, and lost 42," Rove writes, citing the national poll averaging of Real Clear Politics.

"Mr. Trump is the only remaining GOP candidate who has never led Mrs. Clinton in the Real Clear average."
 
In "critical" battleground states polling averages by Real Clear Politics show Trump trails Clinton in New Hampshire by 7.5 points and North Carolina by 1 point, Rove notes.

"Worse, the latest polls suggest his position may be deteriorating," he writes. "He loses North Carolina by six points in a Feb. 17 survey by Elon University; Virginia by 17 points in a Jan. 26 Roanoke College survey; and Iowa by 8 points in a Jan. 7 poll by NBC/The Wall Street Journal/Marist."

His "bright spots," Rove writes, are in Florida, Ohio and Colorado.

"In Florida he's tied with Mrs. Clinton in the Real Clear average," he writes. "In Ohio, he leads Mrs. Clinton by two points in a Feb. 20 Quinnipiac survey, and in Colorado by 11 points in a Nov. 18 Quinnipiac poll."

Rove also argues Trump may not be able to count on help from blue-collar states either, despite his primary victory Tuesday in Michigan, though "he might have a shot at Minnesota," and could win in Pennsylvania.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/karl-rove-trump-outpolling-hillary/2016/03/10/id/718467/#ixzz42WaYRqEo
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 18, 2016, 10:26:20 AM
Trump supporters take note:  Hillary has received a million more votes than Trump so far.

Wall Street Journal to Trump: 'Better be careful!'
By NICK GASS
03/18/16
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The Wall Street Journal fired back at Donald Trump on Thursday evening, hours after the Republican candidate demanded the newspaper's editorial board apologize for pointing out that he has thus far received fewer votes compared to Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

"On Thursday the businessman demanded an apology after we—'the dummies at the @WSJ Editorial Board'—accurately noted that Hillary Clinton has received about a million more votes than he has," the board wrote in a piece headlined "A Trump Reality Check."

"The truth hurts, though Mr. Trump would rather walk down Fifth Avenue shooting the messenger," the piece continued, alluding to Trump's joke in January that he could "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" and not lose any voters.

In a series of tweets Thursday morning, the Republican front-runner complained about the editorial board's coverage — for not the first and likely not the last time in the 2016 election cycle.

"@WSJ is bad at math. The good news is, nobody cares what they say in their editorials anymore, especially me!" Trump boasted in one, before tweeting another condemnation of the "dummies" at publication owned by Rupert Murdoch, with whom Trump has quarreled over coverage in his media properties, including the Journal (which expressed appreciation that the Manhattan real-estate magnate is "such a loyal reader").

".@WSJ Editorial says "Clinton primary vote total is 8,646,551.Trump's is 7,533,692"-a knock. But she had only 3 opponents-I had 16.Apologize," Trump tweeted Thursday morning.

Later in the evening, the paper responded, "Actually his rise has been cleared by the large and fractured GOP field. Of the 20.35 million GOP primary votes cast so far, he has received 7.54 million, or a mere 37%. Despite the media desire to call him unstoppable, Mr. Trump is the weakest Republican front-runner since Gerald Ford in 1976."

"The opinions he should care about are the 39% of GOP voters who said in Tuesday’s exit polls that they would consider supporting a third-party candidate if Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton are the nominees, or the 44% of non-Trump GOP voters who said they won’t cast a ballot for him in November," the editorial board concluded. "As Mr. Trump likes to tweet, better be careful!"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/wall-street-journal-warns-trump-220958#ixzz43HCEAx5x
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 18, 2016, 12:35:16 PM
Poll: Trump Will Lose NY to Hillary, Sanders
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Image: Poll: Trump Will Lose NY to Hillary, Sanders  Donald Trump (Photo by Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg via Getty Images) 
By Loren Gutentag   
Friday, 18 Mar 2016

While Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump holds a commanding lead over his GOP presidential rivals in his home state of New York, a new Emerson College Poll released Friday shows that the real estate mogul would lose the state in general election matchups against either Democratic candidate.

According to the poll, Trump holds a 52-point lead over Sen. Ted Cruz and 63-point lead over Gov. John Kasich in New York.
•Trump, 64 percent
•Cruz, 12 percent
•Kasich, 1 percent

However, when matched with Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, the poll shows that Trump would lose.

While Trump holds 36 percent of the vote, Clinton leads him by 19 points and Sanders leads him by 17 points.
•Clinton, 55 percent
•Sanders, 53 percent

According to the Washington Examiner, should Cruz become the GOP presidential nominee, the poll shows that the Texas senator would have a similar fate as Trump in New York, losing to Clinton by 31 points.

On the Democratic side, Hillary — who has twice served as a New York senator — is projected to win the in the April 19 primary.

Currently the poll shows Hillary with a 48-point lead over Sanders.
•Clinton, 71 percent
•Sanders, 23 percent

The landline survey of 768 likely general election voters in New York was conducted March 14-16 and carries a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points. The survey of 298 likely GOP primary voters has a margin of error of 5.6 points, while the survey of 373 likely Democratic primary voters has a margin of error of 5 points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/poll-trump-lose-new-york/2016/03/18/id/719782/#ixzz43HhbP9F8
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on March 18, 2016, 12:37:13 PM
Trump supporters take note:  Hillary has received a million more votes than Trump so far.


And she sucks!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 18, 2016, 12:41:08 PM
And she sucks!

Be careful how you talk about your next president.   :-\
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on March 18, 2016, 12:44:10 PM
Be careful how you talk about your next president.   :-\

 >:(
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on March 18, 2016, 01:15:45 PM
Be careful how you talk about your next president.   :-\

just as it was planned when Bill Clinton called Trump and asked him to run for President.

Trump has artfully kept hilary's crimes out of the headlines, while neutering young hopefuls like Rubio/Walker, while creating a GOP civil war.  If Trump isn't a Hilary plant, then hilary is the luckiest SOB in the history of politics ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 18, 2016, 01:43:24 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 21, 2016, 02:16:17 PM
Sounding pretty desperate. 

Conservative Allies Look Into Third-Party Presidential Nominees

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Image: Conservative Allies Look Into Third-Party Presidential Nominees  Former Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn. (AP)
By Joe Crowe   |    Monday, 21 Mar 2016

Some conservative leaders are looking into a campaign to set up a third-party candidate for president, according to a memo circulated by Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, reports The New York Times.

Former Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn and former Texas Gov. Rick Perry were mentioned as potential nominees. Coburn has said Trump "needs to be stopped."

Coburn told NewsOK, "The Times is wrong," and when asked if he was interested in running for president, Coburn said, "No."

Perry has said he remains committed to supporting Ted Cruz.

The first line of attack, according to the Times, requires delegate-by-delegate lobbying, if Trump does not come into the convention with the necessary 1,237 delegates required for the nomination.

Dave McIntosh, president of the Club for Growth said there remains a "winnable race" for a "free-market conservative that's not Donald Trump."

An independent candidate could get on the ballot in dozens of states, or seek the Libertarian Party's nomination. Libertarian Party Chairman Nicholas Sarwark said the party might be open to a new candidate, "but you'd better be a pretty impressive man off the street."

The third-party plan, according to Breitbart News, could lead to a vote split that would benefit the Democratic presidential nominee.

 However, that loss would also keep the Republican Party out of Trump's control. 

 In an interview with Breitbart News, Newt Gingrich said Kristol's brokered-convention plan could not "magically change the trajectory of history" and "it's goofy."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/conservative-allies-third-party-nominees/2016/03/21/id/720090/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 23, 2016, 05:02:00 PM
Fox News Poll: Cruz, Kasich ahead of Clinton in 2016 hypothetical matchups
By  Dana Blanton 
Published March 23, 2016
FoxNews.com
 
Republicans are eager to win back the White House in 2016.  A new Fox News national poll finds both John Kasich and Ted Cruz ahead of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in hypothetical matchups, while Donald Trump trails her.

Kasich does best against Clinton.  He has a double-digit advantage and also comes in above the 50 percent mark:  51 percent to Clinton’s 40 percent.

Cruz is preferred over Clinton by three percentage points (47-44 percent).

Clinton tops GOP front-runner Donald Trump by 11 points (49-38 percent).

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

The Ohio governor’s advantage comes mostly from independents; they support him over Clinton by 36 points.  Plus, Kasich steals the largest number of Democrats (17 percent).

Kasich and Cruz also outperform Trump against Bernie Sanders. The Democrat leads Trump by 14 points -- and tops Cruz by a narrower four-point margin.  Kasich has a one-point edge over Sanders (44-43 percent).

Slightly more voters would be satisfied if the presidential race is ultimately a Clinton-Cruz matchup (72 percent satisfied with their candidate choices) than if it ends up being Clinton and Trump (67 percent satisfied).

If it is Clinton-Trump in November, more than four in 10 Cruz supporters say they would seriously consider voting for a third party candidate (34 percent) or just stay home (10 percent).  (There are too few Kasich supporters to facilitate a comparable breakout.)

Overall, only 16 percent of voters would feel “enthusiastic” if Clinton were to become the next president.  Even so, that’s enough for a “win” on this measure.  Fourteen percent would feel “enthusiastic” about a Sanders win, and 13 percent each about a Cruz or Trump win.

Almost half of all voters would feel “scared” if Trump (49 percent) were to win the White House, while 33 percent say the same about Clinton.  Trump has the largest number of Republicans saying they would feel scared if he wins (25 percent), while Kasich has the smallest (7 percent).

More Republicans would feel “enthusiastic” or “pleased” with a Cruz win (57 percent), than with a Kasich (48 percent) or Trump (51 percent) victory.

By comparison, 72 percent of Democrats would feel “enthusiastic” or “pleased” if Clinton won.  And Sanders is close behind at 61 percent.

Kasich is the only candidate who receives more positive reactions (enthusiastic/pleased) to him winning than negative ones (displeased/scared).  In addition, more voters -- some 37 percent -- would feel “neutral” about him becoming president than say the same of any other candidate.

When it comes to picking justices for the U.S. Supreme Court, majorities of Americans feel confident with Kasich (62 percent), Cruz (55 percent), and Sanders (54 percent).  Half feel confident about Clinton (50 percent) making those decisions, and fewer than 4 in 10 say the same about Trump (38 percent).

Honest & Trustworthy

The two current front-runners are also battling for the worst honesty ratings:  64 percent of voters say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, while 65 percent feel that way about Trump.

Some 34 percent say Clinton is honest (a new low) and 64 percent say she’s not (a new high) -- for a net negative honesty rating of 30 points.  Trump’s net rating is about the same (-32 points).

Cruz (+2 points), Kasich (+38 points), and Sanders (+39 points) each get positive honesty scores.

Sanders (+71 points) dwarfs Clinton (+39 points) on net honesty among self-identified Democrats.

Among self-identified Republicans, each of the GOP candidates has a net positive honesty score, yet there is significant range in the scores: Kasich (+58 points), Cruz (+40 points), and Trump (+14 points).

Pollpourri

When the two leading major party candidates are distrusted by a majority of voters, it’s no wonder 82 percent of voters say they are nervous about American politics, while 11 percent are feeling confident.

Nearly three times as many are confident about the economy today (30 percent).

To be sure, people still have economic jitters:  61 percent are nervous about the economy, up a bit from 55 percent a year ago (March 2015).  Nervousness hit a high of 70 percent in 2010.

Republicans are about twice as likely as Democrats to feel nervous about the economy, however roughly 8 in 10 Republicans, Democrats, and independents alike are worried about American politics.

Some 49 percent of Democrats are confident about the economy, down from 61 percent last year.

Most Republicans continue to feel uneasy:  81 percent now compared to 75 percent in 2015.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,016 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from March 20-22, 2016. The full sample has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/23/fox-news-poll-cruz-kasich-ahead-clinton-in-2016-hypothetical-matchups.html?intcmp=hpbt3
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 24, 2016, 10:46:11 AM
Fox News Poll: Cruz, Trump Statistically Tied
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Image: Fox News Poll: Cruz, Trump Statistically Tied 
By Greg Richter   |   Wednesday, 23 Mar 2016

A new Fox News polls shows Texas Sen. Ted Cruz only three points behind GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump nationally, which is within the poll's five-point margin of error.

The poll of likely Republican primary voters:

•   Donald Trump: 41 percent
•   Ted Cruz: 38 percent
•   John Kasich: 17 percent

The poll was conducted March 20-22 and talked to 388 Republican primary voters.

But the poll showed Kasich, whose only hope at getting the nomination would be in a contested convention, has the best chance of beating expected Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup. Trump would lose to Clinton if the election will held today, according to the poll.

•   Kasich 51 pecent/Clinton 40 percent
•   Cruz 47 percent/Clinton 44 percent
•   Trump 38 percent/Clinton 49 percent

That portion of the poll, also taken March 20-22, talked to 1,016 registered voters and has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 3 percent.

Cruz has been tied or outperforming Clinton in head-to-head matchups in several recent polls while the same polls show Trump would lose to her.

Quinnipiac, CBS/New York Times, CNN/ORC, and NBC News/Wall Street Journal polls conducted in March all show a statistical or near-statistical tie. Only a Bloomberg poll conducted in recent days showed Clinton ahead nine points, which is above the 3.4 percent margin of error.

Cruz has consistently risen in head-to-heads with Clinton since he trailed her by double digits in July.

Meanwhile, all head-to-heads between Trump and Clinton taken during at least part of March show Trump trailing Clinton between five and 18 points, and all are outside the margin of error.

The most recent poll showing Trump ahead is a USA Today/Suffolk University poll from late February where he was ahead by 2 points, inside the poll's 3-point margin of error.

The most recent poll showing Trump beating Clinton outside the margin of error is a November Fox News poll where he bested her by 5 points. The margin of error was 4 points.

It is that poll that Trump still cites when his trailing Clinton in head-to-head polls is mentioned.

Kasich has led Clinton by 3 to 11 points since mid-February, but he already has been mathematically eliminated from winning the nomination on a first convention ballot. He is staying in the race in an apparent bid to take the nomination in a contested convention.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/cruz-trump-statistical-tie/2016/03/23/id/720580/#ixzz43qMN7auf
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2016, 09:59:57 AM
Why not?  Would make that joke of a general election even bigger.

PAC: Franken for Hillary VP; 'Perfect Tonic to Trump's Coarse Broadsides'
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Image: PAC: Franken for Hillary VP; 'Perfect Tonic to Trump's Coarse Broadsides' (Photo by Theo Wargo/Getty Images For The Writers Guild of America)
Monday, 28 Mar 2016

Sen. Al Franken should be tapped to be Hillary Clinton's vice presidential running mate, says Bill Scher, senior writer for the progressive political advocacy group Campaign for America's Future.

"For a 2016 presidential race that's already stranger than fiction, his party truly needs someone like Franken if it's going to win the presidency," Scher says of the Minnesota Democrat and former "Saturday Night Live" comic in a column written for Politico.

"[Donald] Trump's presence demands new rhetorical weaponry. As Trump himself might say, Franken's 'classy' and 'elegant' wit is just what the ticket needs to avoid the kind of brawl that drags everyone down to Trump's level.

As well, writes Scher, it would allow Clinton to remain "above the fray," with the quick-witted Franken there to "provide the buffer."

"Franken has worked hard to prove he is a detail-oriented, issues-driven senator, not a political novelty act," Scher says.

"Furthermore, his style of humor is deadpan and wry, the perfect tonic to Trump's coarse broadsides. He'll have no need or inclination to get sucked into the gutter, the way Rubio did, just to get a piece of the daily news cycle."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-vice-president-al-franken-democrat/2016/03/28/id/721192/#ixzz44JNsEavQ
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2016, 06:47:33 PM
Pay attention Trump supporters.

Nate Silver
‏@NateSilver538   
Here's what the map might look like in an election held today. Trump's Rust Belt strength would help him keep MO, IN

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Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538  · Mar 24 

BTW, a lot could change. Clinton can't take anything for granted. But that's about what a 10-11% Dem win would look like these days.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/713036414745575424/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on March 29, 2016, 07:19:45 PM
Pay attention Trump supporters.

Nate Silver
‏@NateSilver538   
Here's what the map might look like in an election held today. Trump's Rust Belt strength would help him keep MO, IN

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeU210ZUIAEk_SQ.jpg)

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538  · Mar 24 

BTW, a lot could change. Clinton can't take anything for granted. But that's about what a 10-11% Dem win would look like these days.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/713036414745575424/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Nate has been wrong about Trump for months now, like some other people on this sub-forum

At some point you have to realize when you are continually wrong people don't you very serious.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2016, 07:23:01 PM
Nate has been wrong about Trump for months now, like some other people on this sub-forum

At some point you have to realize when you are continually wrong people don't you very serious.

lol  You sound like those Ron Paul supporters from a few years ago.  Smoke and mirrors.  Plug your ears.  Cover your eyes.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on March 29, 2016, 07:24:12 PM
lol  You sound like those Ron Paul supporters from a few years ago.  Smoke and mirrors.  Plug your ears.  Cover your eyes.    

Why?

The guy has been dead wrong for months now.

Would you give the ball to the guy who has missed the last 13 shots in a row when the game is on the line?

I wouldn't.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2016, 07:30:27 PM
Why?

The guy has been dead wrong for months now.

Would you give the ball to the guy who has missed the last 13 shots in a row when the game is on the line?

I wouldn't.

Are you high?  Silver has been spot on about almost everything.  The only thing he missed badly was Sanders winning Michigan, which everyone missed.  Other than that, his projections have been incredibly accurate. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on March 29, 2016, 07:40:36 PM
Are you high?  Silver has been spot on about almost everything.  The only thing he missed badly was Sanders winning Michigan, which everyone missed.  Other than that, his projections have been incredibly accurate.  

No, I'm not high just repeating what is already well known by people who follow politics.

I could literally cut and paste similar articles all day long. There are these two things known as REALITY and GOOGLE which do exist.

If Nate Silver's political predictions were a basketball team they would be The Washington Generals.

He has been terrible and he has lost a ton of credibility.



Nate Silver: Trump Has About 5% Chance Of Winning


Statistician and writer Nate Silver joins Anderson Cooper to share his evaluation of the Trump campaign.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: You might have noticed, we talked a bit about polls around here, so does Donald Trump, so do all kinds of candidates whether they're gaining or boasting or slipping and complaining. For better or worse, polling drives the conversation right now and a new conversation started comes out pretty much daily.

Our next guest made his reputation by picking the right polling data and using it much more -- well to make much more accurate predictions, extremely accurate predictions. Nate Silver, FiveThirtyEight.com joins us tonight to talk about what the numbers can and can't say right now about the state of the race.

So it's really fascinating because you put the chance of Donald Trump or Ben Carson actually getting the GOP nomination and put it around 5 percent.

NATE SILVER, FIVETHIRTYEIGHT: Maybe about 5 percent each, somewhere around there.

COOPER: Why so low?

SILVER: So there are couple things to think about. One is that if you look back at history, you've never seen candidates like Donald Trump certainly or Ben Carson win a party nomination. And secondly, if you look at the polling, a lot of times a candidate who is leading the polls now mid-September didn't win the nomination, didn't even come close. So if you look four years ago, Rick Perry was in the midst of a surge right now. Eight years ago on the democratic side, you had Howard Dean or 12 years ago rather, Howard Dean was surging, Hillary Clinton was still away ahead of Barack Obama in 2008. Rudy Giuliani was leading the polls in 2008. I think people, there's so much interest in this election, in this campaign, people forget that polls five months before Iowa historically have told you very, very little.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2016, 08:35:00 PM
No, I'm not high just repeating what is already well known by people who follow politics.

I could literally cut and paste similar articles all day long. There are these two things known as REALITY and GOOGLE which do exist.

If Nate Silver's political predictions were a basketball team they would be The Washington Generals.

He has been terrible and he has lost a ton of credibility.



Nate Silver: Trump Has About 5% Chance Of Winning


Statistician and writer Nate Silver joins Anderson Cooper to share his evaluation of the Trump campaign.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: You might have noticed, we talked a bit about polls around here, so does Donald Trump, so do all kinds of candidates whether they're gaining or boasting or slipping and complaining. For better or worse, polling drives the conversation right now and a new conversation started comes out pretty much daily.

Our next guest made his reputation by picking the right polling data and using it much more -- well to make much more accurate predictions, extremely accurate predictions. Nate Silver, FiveThirtyEight.com joins us tonight to talk about what the numbers can and can't say right now about the state of the race.

So it's really fascinating because you put the chance of Donald Trump or Ben Carson actually getting the GOP nomination and put it around 5 percent.

NATE SILVER, FIVETHIRTYEIGHT: Maybe about 5 percent each, somewhere around there.

COOPER: Why so low?

SILVER: So there are couple things to think about. One is that if you look back at history, you've never seen candidates like Donald Trump certainly or Ben Carson win a party nomination. And secondly, if you look at the polling, a lot of times a candidate who is leading the polls now mid-September didn't win the nomination, didn't even come close. So if you look four years ago, Rick Perry was in the midst of a surge right now. Eight years ago on the democratic side, you had Howard Dean or 12 years ago rather, Howard Dean was surging, Hillary Clinton was still away ahead of Barack Obama in 2008. Rudy Giuliani was leading the polls in 2008. I think people, there's so much interest in this election, in this campaign, people forget that polls five months before Iowa historically have told you very, very little.


Ok now you're just trolling.  You pulled a discussion from September, six months ago, when everyone and their mother gave Trump no chance?  Pitiful.  No wonder you didn't include a link. 

And somehow, this prediction trumps (so to speak) how Silver has since nailed nearly every primary and caucus in the race.  Dude you are wasting my time.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on March 29, 2016, 08:51:53 PM
Ok now you're just trolling.  You pulled a discussion from September, six months ago, when everyone and their mother gave Trump no chance?  Pitiful.  No wonder you didn't include a link. 

And somehow, this prediction trumps (so to speak) how Silver has since nailed nearly every primary and caucus in the race.  Dude you are wasting my time.

Well except me

Trolling?

Your track record has been TERRIBLE here lately. Just dead wrong with predictions for months and months on end.

I think Jeb or Rubio is gonna be the nominee  ;D :D

You are missing the boat by a mile by focusing on the trivial stuff like period jokes and making fun of peoples disabilities. From Reagan all the way up to Obama, each one of those guys just had that "it" factor. It's hard to explain but the way W had that folksy charm. He was the guy you are excited to hear is coming to the party because he's just a likable person. Obama the way he energized the minorities and youth. Clinton with his political astuteness. They all just had that rare form of charisma that got people off their asses and to the ballots to put them in office.

Look at the latest Trump interview on Face The Nation. He OWNS that reporter and controls the interview for the entire 17 minutes. Say what you want about his politics, Trump is an incredible communicator.


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2016, 09:19:10 PM
Well except me

Trolling?

Your track record has been TERRIBLE here lately. Just dead wrong with predictions for months and months on end.

I think Jeb or Rubio is gonna be the nominee  ;D :D


I would say nice try, but it's incredibly weak.  You are making an absolute fool of yourself by saying Silver is always wrong.  To try and escape that ridiculous assertion, you try and make it about my predictions.  Two problems.  No. 1, I never claimed to be some kind of accurate prognosticator, and I don't get paid to make predictions.  I'm wrong quite a bit (case in point Obama's reelection).  No. 2., this is about your claim that Nate Silver is always wrong.  You should never go full retard. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on March 31, 2016, 10:14:47 AM
Pay attention Trump supporters.

Nate Silver
‏@NateSilver538   
Here's what the map might look like in an election held today. Trump's Rust Belt strength would help him keep MO, IN

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeU210ZUIAEk_SQ.jpg)

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538  · Mar 24 

BTW, a lot could change. Clinton can't take anything for granted. But that's about what a 10-11% Dem win would look like these days.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/713036414745575424/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

More confirmation that Trump would lose to Hillary:

Sabato Crystal Ball: Landslide for Hillary in Trump Race
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Image: Sabato Crystal Ball: Landslide for Hillary in Trump Race
By Cathy Burke   |   Thursday, 31 Mar 2016

Longtime political analyst Larry Sabato is predicting an electoral college blowout for Hillary Clinton in a November general election matchup with current GOP front-runner Donald Trump.

In the University of Virginia political science professor's "Crystal Ball" prediction, the Democratic presidential front-runner beats Trump 347-191.

"Here at the Crystal Ball, we are going to cling to one central fact about presidential elections: The only thing that matters is accumulating a majority of 270 votes in the Electoral College," Sabato writes.

Sabato's first map shows a close, competitive race in a matchup with a generic Democrat versus Republican matchup.

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CystalBall-Map-1.png

Map two is shows Republicans "in a deep hole" when the contestants are Clinton and Trump.

(http://www.newsmax.com/getattachment/048a142e-e368-4598-8b76-6ba2d4746776/CrystalBall-Map-2.png.aspx)
CrystalBall-Map-2.png

Although a Clinton-Trump matchup could be an "electoral embarrassment" for the GOP, Sabato writes that because of the political polarization in the country, Clinton would likely take less than 55 percent of the two-party vote.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/larry-sabato-crystal-ball-landslide-hillary/2016/03/31/id/721650/#ixzz44V9vhrFp
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2016, 10:10:17 AM
Economic models predict GOP White House, even with Trump
By Vicki Needham - 04/04/16

Republicans are expected to win the White House under two economic models that have accurately forecast presidential elections for decades.

A third model run by Moody’s Analytics predicts Democrats will win the White House, in part because of President Obama’s rising approval rating.

The three models are being challenged like never before by the presence of GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump, whose campaign has shaken up politics.

Trump’s fights with Ted Cruz and his other GOP rivals have electrified his supporters but have turned off other voters. A Washington Post-ABC poll last week found that 67 percent of registered voters held an unfavorable view of the outspoken billionaire. That has given hope to Democrats that even with a weakened Hillary Clinton as their nominee, their party could cruise to victory.

“As economists this is a very unusual election and there’s a lot more uncertainty introduced this time around that could upset the balance and the historical relationship of how marginal voters vote,” said Dan White, an economist with Moody’s Analytics who oversees the firm’s monthly election model.

Ray Fair, a Yale professor who launched his model in 1978, told The Hill that while all elections include unruly features that an economic model can’t pick up, “this one seems particularly unusual.”

“If there’s any time in which personalities would trump the economy it would be this election,” Fair said.

Fair’s model has correctly forecast all but three presidential races since 1916 but was wrong in 2012, when it predicted a narrow loss for Obama to Mitt Romney.

It relies on just three pieces of information: per capita growth rate of gross domestic product in the three quarters before an election, inflation over the entire presidential term and the number of quarters during the term growth per capita exceeds 3.2 percent.

Given the sluggish economy, his model doesn’t show enough growth under Obama to predict a Democratic win in the election. In his most recent forecast from January, his model predicted a 45.66 percent share of the presidential vote for the Democratic candidate, less than the 49 percent it predicted in 2012.

The other two models, unlike Fair’s, consider the incumbent president’s approval rating. In both cases, Obama’s improving favorability helps his party’s chances of winning the White House. But only one of those models predicts a Democratic win.

Emory University’s Alan Abramowitz, whose model has correctly predicted every outcome since 1992, forecasts a Republican win.

It measures the incumbent president's job-approval rating by the end of June of the election year; the economy's growth during the first half of year, especially during the second quarter; and how long the incumbent party has been in the White House.

By this methodology, the Democratic candidate can expect to receive 48.7 percent of the vote — with Obama's approval rating at 50 percent — according to his most recent calculation.

But since that prediction, Obama’s approval rating has ticked up to 52 percent.

Moody’s arrives at a similar result, but one that is better for Democrats.

That model, which hasn’t missed an election since it was created in 1980, awards Electoral College votes to each party based on state-by-state outcomes. The most important economic variable is income growth by state, including job and wage growth, hours worked and the quality of the jobs being created in the two years leading up to an election. The model also factors in home and gasoline prices on a state level, as well as presidential approval numbers.

The Moody’s equation also includes an additional dummy variable that penalizes Democrat incumbents, stemming from the theory that Democrats and Democrat-leaning independent voters are more likely to switch sides and vote for a Republican candidate than vice versa.

Moody’s latest model, set for release this week, shows that the Democratic nominee would take 332 electoral votes compared to 206 for the Republican nominee.

The main driver of the change was the president's approval rating, a first-time variable added into the model this year, White said.

The president's approval rating has risen 3 percentage points since the first model was released in August.

White says the unruly GOP primary may be helping Obama.

“The gains lately could be construed as a reflection of what a mess the primary process has become in recent weeks,” he said. Trump, who has high unfavorable ratings among some voter groups, could be giving Obama’s approval rating a boost.

Abramowitz told The Atlanta-Journal Constitution last week that “all the noise being made by the presidential campaign, especially by the Republican campaign, has taken attention away from what may turn out to be more significant for the general election — Barack Obama’s rising approval rating.”

His research has found that the president’s approval rating is an essential predictor of the election results even when the president is not on the ballot, and Obama's has risen to its highest level in many months.

White said that one of the most frequently asked questions he gets is whether a Trump variable could be added into the model to test out how his brand of fireworks factors in.

No way, he said.

“The model doesn’t know or care if there are two or 10 candidates,” he said. “It knows the economics and whether marginal swing voters will keep the incumbent party in or not.”

In fact, their models are designed to sweep away the effects of boisterous personalities and the usual ebbs and flows of a long presidential campaign season and instead track specific economic factors that voters deem most important.

Justin Wolfers, an economics professor at the University of Michigan and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who has researched the reliability of economic models, said that while every election is different the “point of the statistical models is to try to find the underlying similarity across all of them.”

“So the logic that says that these models should have worked over the past few decades also says that they should work in this election cycle, too,” he told The Hill.

“There's no reason to think the models should do better or worse in 2016,” he said.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/275084-models-predict-gop-white-house-even-with-trump
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2016, 03:37:20 PM
If it's Trump vs. Hillary in November, I'm voting for this guy:

Ex-NM Gov. on Presidential Run: 'Majority of Americans are Libertarian'
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Image: Ex-NM Gov. on Presidential Run: 'Majority of Americans are Libertarian'  (Photo by Phelan M. Ebenhack-Pool/Getty Images) 
By Bill Hoffmann   |    Friday, 08 Apr 2016

"Could a Republican run as a third party? Well, yeah they could, but they couldn't get on the ballot in all 50 states. At this late stage, it would be difficult to be on enough state ballots to actually mathematically even win the presidency.

"Could Donald Trump run as a third party at the very end? Yeah, but maybe he'll be on the ballot in 10 states mathematically not standing a chance to get elected."

 But Johnson said the only way for him to get his message out is to be able to participate in the ongoing GOP and Democratic debates, which under current regulations he's not eligible to do.

"That's the only way that a third party has a chance. I polled nationally last week at 11 percent. The presidential debate commission has said that you need to be at 15 percent to be in the presidential debates. That is a very real possibility," Johnson said.

"We're … suing the presidential debate commission. Really, they're at the heart of this rigged game that's going on."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/gary-johnson-third-party-libertarian-president/2016/04/08/id/722991/#ixzz45HFGVgj2
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on April 08, 2016, 03:41:23 PM
Welcome aboard.

I Voted for him in 2012 and will do so again.

This 2 party stuff needs to stop.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2016, 03:45:14 PM
Yeah.  I gotta vote my conscience.  No way can I vote for someone who could destroy the country and/or is a blatant liar. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on April 08, 2016, 03:47:39 PM
That's fair. My mom is in the same boat.

She hates Trump and Hillary SO much. So many people do.

Maybe as a nation we are finally turning a corner.

United against Hillary and Trump for a better tomorrow 2016. (Copyright pending)

 :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2016, 03:55:11 PM
That's fair. My mom is in the same boat.

She hates Trump and Hillary SO much. So many people do.

Maybe as a nation we are finally turning a corner.

United against Hillary and Trump for a better tomorrow 2016. (Copyright pending)

 :D

lol  Yep.   :)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2016, 11:20:35 PM
hilary and trump are unpopular... but they are likely to end up the nominees...

hilary will almost certainly win the nomination.  Women HATE trump and no repub has won in 40 years without winning the woman vote. And hispanics?  Forget about it.  Bush got 44%, Mccain got 33%, Mitt got 27%... does ANYONE think Trump gets 1/4 of Hispanic voters?  lol!

And I contend, again, that it's by design.  Trump is in this race to let hilary win the race.  Just enough crazy to win nomination then lay down women/hispanic voters the two groups the repub NEEDED NEEDED NEEDED to win the nomination. 

Pretty convenient, huh?  ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 03, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
If the MSM and liberals could paint a good man like Romney as a gangster hiding money in offshore accounts, imagine what they will do to someone like Trump. 

Report: Dems to Hit Trump With $20 Million in Negative Ads Before Convention
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Image: Report: Dems to Hit Trump With $20 Million in Negative Ads Before Convention (Wire Services Photo)
By Greg Richter   |   Monday, 02 May 2016

A Democrat super PAC plans to hit Republican front-runner Donald Trump with $20 million worth of negative advertising before he even secures his party's nomination, National Journal reports.

Priorities USA, the same PAC that went after Mitt Romney in 2012, plans to start airing anti-Trump ads on June 8, one day after the final primaries. Trump is expected by many to sew up the nomination at that point.

But neither Trump himself nor the Republican Party has plans to air counter-attacks against presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton until after the Republican National Convention,  National Journal notes, and that could put Trump in a similar position to Romney, whose strength as business leader was turned against him by Priorities USA.

The series of anti-Trump ads will paint him as "an unserious, unready, and unscrupulous businessman who also happens to disparage women and minorities," National Journal writes.

The ads will air for five weeks in seven swing states.

"Mitt Romney was a fundamentally likable guy," GOP strategist and "Never Trump" advocate Rick Wilson told National Journal. "They turned him into history’s greatest monster."

Wilson said Priorities USA will have a far easier time demonizing Trump, who already has low approval ratings – including among Republicans.

Red State, writing about the National Journal story, said to "get used to every horrible thing – horrible true thing – that we have been trying to tell you about Donald Trump get[ting] plastered all over the airwaves in June and July."

It's not the first wave of attacks ads against Trump, and, like every other method used against the unconventional candidate, they didn't work.

Politico reported on series of attack ads against Trump in late February, and The New York Times reported a month ago that more than half of the negative ads this election season have been against Trump.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/democrat-super-pac-negative/2016/05/02/id/726875/#ixzz47bx2NXw2
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 10, 2016, 09:56:58 AM
I am changing my mind about whether Trump has no shot to be Hillary.  I think it's possible.  We are so screwed.

Poll: Clinton, Trump 'dead even' in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania
David M Jackson, USA TODAY
May 10, 2016

Sarah Swaim did something unexpected to stand in solidarity with her 9-year-old friend who is fighting cancer.VPC

It's still early to analyze the general election, but a new poll shows Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in a dead heat in three key swing states: Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

The Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll released Tuesday has Clinton up by a single point in both Florida (43%-42%) and Pennsylvania (43%-42%), while Trump leads Clinton in Ohio by 43%-to-39%

"Six months from Election Day, the presidential races between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in the three most crucial states, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, are too close to call," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac Poll.

Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders, by the way, has narrow leads over Trump in all three pivotal states.

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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump (Photo: DSK, AFP/Getty Images)

Brown joked that a Clinton-Trump general election "may be good for divorce lawyers," citing a massive gender gap among voters that currently seems to be benefiting Trump.

"In Pennsylvania, Clinton's 19-point lead among women matches Trump's 21-point margin among men," Brown said. "In Ohio, she is up 7 points among women but down 15 points with men. In Florida she is up 13 points among women but down 13 points among men."

The Quinnipiac Swing State Poll says it "focuses on Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania because since 1960 no candidate has won the presidential race without taking at least two of these three states."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/10/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-quinnipiac-poll-florida-ohio-pennsylvania/84173448/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on May 10, 2016, 10:48:35 AM
I do not believe that the US is that insane.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 10, 2016, 10:50:31 AM
I do not believe that the US is that insane.

OH - they very much are.  Spend an hour talking to almost anyone age 18-30 these days.  They can't put down their phone for 5 minutes, they consider clickbait/linkbait to be the only news they trust.  They LIKE about 200 things a day and forget everything inside of 48 hours.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 10, 2016, 01:58:01 PM
I do not believe that the US is that insane.

That's what I said during Trump's campaign. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 10, 2016, 02:56:17 PM
this generation thinks pictures of their breakfast are worthy of thousands of views.   they take 40 half-naked pics in the mirror daily in order to further their 'instagram modeling' career.  They have zero idea how the world works and care nothing about anything other than being entertained.  even their kids are continual props for their snapchat following.  Trump is the perfect candidate for them - obnoxious, entertaining, easy to understand and no real political depth needed.   He's an authoritarian that'll handle the stressful shit so they can focus on buying likes and whatnot.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 12, 2016, 10:34:55 AM
Will they be assigning 20 reporters to dig into Hillary's past?

Washington Post assigns army of 20 to dig into 'every phase' of Trump's life
By PAUL BEDARD (@SECRETSBEDARD) • 5/11/16

The Washington Post has built a sizable army of reporters to dig into every facet of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's life, urged on by new owner Jeff Bezos to reveal everything about the potential nominees.

Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward revealed Wednesday that the Post has assigned 20 staffers to Trump. In addition the paper plans a book.

"There's a lot we don't know," he told the National Association of Realtors convention in Washington. "We have 20 people working on Trump, we're going to do a book, we're doing articles about every phase of his life," he added.

Woodward, who has interviewed Trump, said that he has begun looking into Trump's New York real estate deals. "The New York real estate world is more complex than the CIA," he said.

On Wednesday, the Post poured on several Trump stories, including a deep dig into his sex talk on radio host Howard Stern's show.

He also said that the paper is trying to get to the "essence" of Hillary Rodham Clinton, but he dismissed suggestions that she used a personal email server to distribute classified information.

"I don't think anyone feels that there was intent on her part to distribute classified information in a way that was illegal or jeopardized security," he assured the crowd.

Still, he did mention Watergate when discussing the email scandal.

"To do this, quite frankly, doesn't make sense and back to Watergate, the burglary, five burglars, business suits, arrested in the Democratic headquarters. And the reaction was gee, 'That's unusual.' My reaction, Carl Bernstein's reaction was WTF?"

He said that Bezos has urged the Post to run as many stories on Trump and the other candidates so that voters can't say they didn't know about the eventual president.

"He said, 'Look the job at the Washington Post has to be tell us everything about who the eventual nominee will be in both parties, 15 part, 16 part series, 20 part series, we want to look at every part of their lives and we're never going get the whole story of course but we can get the best attainable," said the famed reporter.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/woodward-20-wapo-reporters-dig-dirt-on-trump-every-phase-of-his-life/article/2591021
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 12, 2016, 11:37:11 AM
Will they be assigning 20 reporters to dig into Hillary's past?

I'm pretty sure MSNBC did a fine job of that in 2008 when they elected obama, remember?  ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on May 12, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
Will they be assigning 20 reporters to dig into Hillary's past?


I wish they would.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: andreisdaman on May 12, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
Will they be assigning 20 reporters to dig into Hillary's past?
Washington Post assigns army of 20 to dig into 'every phase' of Trump's life
By PAUL BEDARD (@SECRETSBEDARD) • 5/11/16

The Washington Post has built a sizable army of reporters to dig into every facet of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's life, urged on by new owner Jeff Bezos to reveal everything about the potential nominees.

Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward revealed Wednesday that the Post has assigned 20 staffers to Trump. In addition the paper plans a book.

"There's a lot we don't know," he told the National Association of Realtors convention in Washington. "We have 20 people working on Trump, we're going to do a book, we're doing articles about every phase of his life," he added.

Woodward, who has interviewed Trump, said that he has begun looking into Trump's New York real estate deals. "The New York real estate world is more complex than the CIA," he said.

On Wednesday, the Post poured on several Trump stories, including a deep dig into his sex talk on radio host Howard Stern's show.

He also said that the paper is trying to get to the "essence" of Hillary Rodham Clinton, but he dismissed suggestions that she used a personal email server to distribute classified information.

"I don't think anyone feels that there was intent on her part to distribute classified information in a way that was illegal or jeopardized security," he assured the crowd.

Still, he did mention Watergate when discussing the email scandal.

"To do this, quite frankly, doesn't make sense and back to Watergate, the burglary, five burglars, business suits, arrested in the Democratic headquarters. And the reaction was gee, 'That's unusual.' My reaction, Carl Bernstein's reaction was WTF?"

He said that Bezos has urged the Post to run as many stories on Trump and the other candidates so that voters can't say they didn't know about the eventual president.

"He said, 'Look the job at the Washington Post has to be tell us everything about who the eventual nominee will be in both parties, 15 part, 16 part series, 20 part series, we want to look at every part of their lives and we're never going get the whole story of course but we can get the best attainable," said the famed reporter.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/woodward-20-wapo-reporters-dig-dirt-on-trump-every-phase-of-his-life/article/2591021

Thats ALREADY been done...for the past 25 years
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 12, 2016, 03:58:14 PM
Will they be assigning 20 reporters to dig into Hillary's past?


typical right-wing victimhood statement, right here. 

I wondered how many weeks it'd take you to defend Trump at every turn.  The answer is "less than one".
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 12, 2016, 05:13:49 PM

typical right-wing victimhood statement, right here. 

I wondered how many weeks it'd take you to defend Trump at every turn.  The answer is "less than one".

Shut the heck up troll. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 12, 2016, 06:34:47 PM
Shut the heck up troll.  

Trump is a 911 truther and you didn't even know.

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Alex jones is supporting trump in a big way with infowars and prison planet - and you didn't know.

oh man, that's worse than hilary at this point.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 13, 2016, 09:58:09 AM
Trump: 'Anything I Say Right Now' Is a 'Suggestion'
By Sandy Fitzgerald   |   Friday, 13 May 2016

A commission led by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani will examine problems with immigration in general along with the issues being caused by Muslim immigration, presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump said Friday, emphasizing that his call for a ban on Muslims entering the country was a "suggestion" as he is not the president.

"Look, anything I say right now — I'm not the president," Trump told Fox News' "Fox & Friends" program. "I feel strongly we have to do something about it. When you look at radical Islamic terrorism, we have a president that — as you folks know very well — we have a president that won't use the term for the World Trade Center, he won't use the term.

"And we have to do something. You're not going to do something about it until you know what the problem is."

Trump said he's spoken with Giuliani about the issue and a group is coming together "to look at the problem . . . I feel very strongly that we have to find out what the problem is. When you look at San Bernardino, when you look at Paris, when you look at all of these horrible, horrible acts of hatred, this is pure hatred. We have to find out and get to the bottom of the problem before we can solve it."

But the panel will also look at immigration "generally," including "across the border, we're talking about the problems that we have, tremendous problems we have on the southern border with the drugs pouring through, with people coming through the border, it's like Swiss cheese."

Trump also on Friday also commented on this week's meetings in Washington with Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and House Speaker Paul Ryan. Although the meetings didn't bring him a Ryan endorsement, Trump thinks the Wisconsin lawmaker will eventually back him.

"If that didn't happen, I would continue on," said Trump. "But we had a great meeting yesterday. He's a very good guy, very nice guy, and very committed to what he's doing and to the country."

Trump has been able to win even without establishment support, but he said Friday he'd "rather see unity."

"I'm a Republican, I'm conservative," he said. "Some people say I'm not conservative on trade. I say, really, tell me about it. I'm more conservative than anybody on trade. I'm actually a free trader. But we make all bad deals."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-Giuliani-Led-Commission-Study/2016/05/13/id/728657/#ixzz48YQs9uFA
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 13, 2016, 10:06:30 AM
Sheldon Adelson: I endorse Donald Trump for president
By Sheldon G. Adelson
May 13, 2016

Sheldon G. Adelson is chairman and chief executive of Las Vegas Sands Corp.

At the outset of the 2016 election, the GOP primary field was nearly as large as that of last weekend’s Kentucky Derby. In total, 17 Republican hopefuls campaigned to win the party’s nomination for president.

Like the Derby, the race for the Republican nomination started from a wide gate — some entries with better post positions, others with more backing. We had candidates with such perceived advantages as wide name identification, large campaign war chests, supposed geographic benefits and other assets they hoped would tip the race in their direction.

Ultimately, each candidate had to convince the party’s primary voters across the country that he or she deserved to be the nominee.

One candidate has won that race, and now Republicans must join together to make sure he wins the next one.

While the primary cycle still has some important elections ahead, it is clear that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee for president.

I am endorsing Trump’s bid for president and strongly encourage my fellow Republicans — especially our Republican elected officials, party loyalists and operatives, and those who provide important financial backing — to do the same.

The alternative to Trump being sworn in as the nation’s 45th president is frightening.

For nearly eight years, Republicans have fought tooth and nail against President Obama and his policies. We waged battles over debt, government spending, Obamacare and the Iran nuclear deal — an issue of paramount importance to me personally and to many others around the world.

We gained some victories, but on too many issues Obama achieved his goals, if not necessarily America’s goals. As Republicans, we know that getting a person in the White House with an “R” behind his name is the only way things will get better.

That opportunity still exists. We must not cut off our noses to spite our faces.

If Republicans do not come together in support of Trump, Obama will essentially be granted something the Constitution does not allow — a third term in the name of Hillary Clinton.

I’ve spent time talking to Donald Trump. Do I agree with him on every issue? No. But it’s unlikely that any American agrees with his or her preferred candidate on every issue.

After the 2012 election cycle, I was asked frequently what I would look for in a future presidential contender. While I had some personal preferences because of friendships with some of the 2016 candidates, I kept coming back to the issue of executive experience.

In my view, a governor of a state is ideally qualified to be president. A governor is a state’s final decision maker — its chief executive and steward of the public’s money. I felt strongly that someone with that level of CEO experience would be well-trained for the job of president.

It turns out that is exactly what we are getting in Trump. He is a candidate with actual CEO experience, shaped and molded by the commitment and risk of his own money rather than the public’s. He is a CEO success story that exemplifies the American spirit of determination, commitment to cause and business stewardship.

Despite being the grandson of a Welsh coal miner and the son of a Boston cab driver, I’ve had the remarkable experience of being part of almost 50 different businesses in my more than 70-year business career. So, tell me I’m not a conservative enough Republican or I’m too hawkish on Israel or whatever else you may think, but I think I’ve earned the right to talk about success and leadership.

You may not like Trump’s style or what he says on Twitter, but this country needs strong executive leadership more today than at almost any point in its history. The world is less secure than ever, and our allies have lost confidence in our ability to lead. The economy is not growing the way it should. The middle class is finding it harder and harder to get by.

Trump has created a movement in this country that cannot be denied. He will end this primary election cycle having garnered more Republican primary votes for president than anyone before.

But some Republicans are sitting on the sidelines, threatening to stay home on Election Day or, worse, suggesting they will vote for Clinton. They must realize the stakes are too high for an outcome that will have a damaging impact on our country.

Republicans have the candidate who the people decided is our winner from a field of 17 viable contenders. It’s time for all Republicans to mount up and back our nominee.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sheldon-adelson-i-endorse-donald-trump-for-president/2016/05/12/ea89d7f0-17a0-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 13, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
Trump: 'Anything I Say Right Now' Is a 'Suggestion'

This should scare the shit out of republicans.   

All of these conservative things he's promised were merely suggestions ;)

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 09:49:53 AM
Trump, Clinton Statistically Tied in Georgia
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Image: Trump, Clinton Statistically Tied in Georgia  (Newsmax files)
By Cathy Burke   |   Sunday, 15 May 2016
 
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are in a statistical tie in Georgia, a new poll shows.

The survey by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution gives the GOP presumptive presidential nominee, 45 percent, a 4-point lead over the Democratic presidential front-runner Clinton's 41 percent, but within the poll’s 4.26 percent margin of error.

The newspaper notes the survey also shows deep division among voters in the Peach State, including on:

A hypothetical match-up between Sen. Bernie Sanders and Trump, with the Vermont lawmaker beating the billionaire businessman 47 percent to 42 percent
Favorability, with Sanders earning the highest rating, 47 percent, compared with 40 percent for Trump and 31 for Clinton.

The choice of independent voters, who are evenly split over the leading candidates

Voters' support of Clinton's campaign, with half viewing their vote chiefly as a vote against Trump; among voters supporting Trump, a slim majority say they're voting out of opposition to Clinton.

The last Democrat to carry Georgia was Bill Clinton in 1992, when he beat incumbent President George H.W. Bush by less than 15,000 votes; in 1996, Clinton lost the state by about 27,000 votes, Politico reports.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-Clinton-tied-Georgia/2016/05/15/id/728929/#ixzz48q2JFlux
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
Nate Silver Gives Trump 25 Percent Chance to Beat Clinton
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Image: Nate Silver Gives Trump 25 Percent Chance to Beat Clinton (Getty Images)
By Joe Crowe   |   Monday, 16 May 2016

Nate Silver, editor-in-chief of poll analysis website FiveThirtyEight, said Donald Trump has a 25 percent chance of winning the 2016 presidential election.

In an interview on CNN's "Reliable Sources," Silver said Hillary Clinton is more likely to win than her Republican opponent "if you held the election today."

Silver said he has been surprised by Trump's success. His site had predicted before the primaries that Trump had a 5-percent chance of capturing the Republican presidential nomination and would "flame out" during the primaries.

"This is one of the crazier things we've seen in politics for a long time," Silver said in the CNN interview.

The 25-percent prediction for Trump could also change, Silver explained, because of the possibility of world events continuing to shape voters' opinions. "You can have recessions, you can have terror attacks," said the editor-in-chief.

Silver noted that in his site's analyses, while he predicted that she would win, he said Hillary Clinton "is not a very popular candidate herself."

A Salon editorial about the 538 site pointed out that Trump's rise raises questions about Silver's website and its analysis of polls.

Silver has mentioned before that poll results should not lead to overconfidence, but the Salon editorial said that 538 might have become too confident in its own predictions when it made the 5-percent prediction about Trump.

In the CNN interview, Silver called on journalists to be more accountable about covering political news. He said Trump ran on "a lot of misinformation, and we're the information industry."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Nate-Silver-Donald-Trump-Hillary-Clinton-Election-2016/2016/05/16/id/729008/#ixzz48q36QyuJ
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 10:10:05 AM
Just heard someone say Hillary has been running for president for ten years and is struggling to take out one candidate, while Trump--a political neophyte--took out sixteen candidates in eleven months.  Pretty remarkable when you think about it. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on May 16, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
Nate Silver Gives Trump 25 Percent Chance to Beat Clinton
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Image: Nate Silver Gives Trump 25 Percent Chance to Beat Clinton (Getty Images)
By Joe Crowe   |   Monday, 16 May 2016

Nate Silver, editor-in-chief of poll analysis website FiveThirtyEight, said Donald Trump has a 25 percent chance of winning the 2016 presidential election.

In an interview on CNN's "Reliable Sources," Silver said Hillary Clinton is more likely to win than her Republican opponent "if you held the election today."

Silver said he has been surprised by Trump's success. His site had predicted before the primaries that Trump had a 5-percent chance of capturing the Republican presidential nomination and would "flame out" during the primaries.

"This is one of the crazier things we've seen in politics for a long time," Silver said in the CNN interview.

The 25-percent prediction for Trump could also change, Silver explained, because of the possibility of world events continuing to shape voters' opinions. "You can have recessions, you can have terror attacks," said the editor-in-chief.

Silver noted that in his site's analyses, while he predicted that she would win, he said Hillary Clinton "is not a very popular candidate herself."

A Salon editorial about the 538 site pointed out that Trump's rise raises questions about Silver's website and its analysis of polls.

Silver has mentioned before that poll results should not lead to overconfidence, but the Salon editorial said that 538 might have become too confident in its own predictions when it made the 5-percent prediction about Trump.

In the CNN interview, Silver called on journalists to be more accountable about covering political news. He said Trump ran on "a lot of misinformation, and we're the information industry."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Nate-Silver-Donald-Trump-Hillary-Clinton-Election-2016/2016/05/16/id/729008/#ixzz48q36QyuJ

That's probably the first time I have agreed with Salon on anything but they are correct, it is a question that needs to be asked.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on May 16, 2016, 10:27:54 AM
PredictIt currently reads about a 60 - 40, Hillary.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 10:40:10 AM
That's probably the first time I have agreed with Salon on anything but they are correct, it is a question that needs to be asked.

Not really.  They are incredibly accurate.  From what I've seen, they have correctly forecast the outcome of every primary/caucus this cycle except Michigan, which everybody missed.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 10:40:50 AM
PredictIt currently reads about a 60 - 40, Hillary.

Sounds about right, but there is a long way to go in this crazy campaign.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on May 16, 2016, 10:47:51 AM
Joe Scarborough mocks Nate Silver  :D ;D

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on May 16, 2016, 10:49:44 AM
Sounds about right, but there is a long way to go in this crazy campaign.

The one thing I've learned is to avoid trying to make sense of it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
The one thing I've learned is to avoid trying to make sense of it.

I agree.  Someone was talking to me last week about all the logical reasons why Trump will get crushed by Hillary.  I told him we made those same logical arguments about why Trump would not sniff the GOP nomination.  Logic is pretty much out the window. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on May 16, 2016, 11:18:03 AM
I agree.  Someone was talking to me last week about all the logical reasons why Trump will get crushed by Hillary.  I told him we made those same logical arguments about why Trump would not sniff the GOP nomination.  Logic is pretty much out the window. 

Yes, and the fact that information can be found to show a real battle in those key states, should throw cold water on the Hillary clowns.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 16, 2016, 11:38:41 AM
Just heard someone say Hillary has been running for president for ten years and is struggling to take out one candidate, while Trump--a political neophyte--took out sixteen candidates in eleven months.  Pretty remarkable when you think about it. 

Trump's been talking about running since what, 1980?   LOL nearly did it in 2000.  keeps flirting with it forever. 

Did you see the full transcript of the "john miller" fake trump interview.  He's kinda a psychopath.  Pages and pages of him pretending to be a PR guy, ranting about all these celebrity women that want Trump.  Such an insecure dude.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 11:48:54 AM
Yes, and the fact that information can be found to show a real battle in those key states, should throw cold water on the Hillary clowns.

Polls have been tightening in battleground states. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on May 16, 2016, 12:05:47 PM
Polls have been tightening in battleground states. 

And let's not forget that anyone with even a hint of awareness, realizes there is absolutely nothing to Hillary.  Whether or not that would stop someone from voting for her against Trump, I don't know.  But when you have a good look at what she's about, there really isn't anything to show more than a drunken Obama in a wig.

She is a miserable excuse for a leader, and she may actually be dangerously deranged.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
And let's not forget that anyone with even a hint of awareness, realizes there is absolutely nothing to Hillary.  Whether or not that would stop someone from voting for her against Trump, I don't know.  But when you have a good look at what she's about, there really isn't anything to show more than a drunken Obama in a wig.

She is a miserable excuse for a leader, and she may actually be dangerously deranged.

I agree with everything except the deranged part.  She's not crazy.  She's just a typical greedy, partisan, dishonest, big government liberal.  Very predictable. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
The Daily 202: The presidency is Hillary Clinton’s to lose. Here are 12 ways she could lose it.
 By James Hohmann May 16, 2016

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Hillary Clinton campaigns yesterday in Fort Mitchell, Ky. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)

THE BIG IDEA:

The elites in Washington almost uniformly believe Hillary Clinton will be elected president in November. The conventional wisdom underlying coverage of 2016 is that Donald Trump will go down in flames and probably take the Republican Senate with him.

The presumptive GOP nominee has a well-documented history of misogyny, xenophobia and demagoguery. He has alienated women, Hispanics, Muslims, African Americans, Asian Americans and Native Americans. He has mocked the disabled, prisoners of war and Seventh-day Adventists. The speaker of the House and both living former Republican presidents are withholding endorsements.

It should be a slam dunk for HRC, right?

But, but, but: Six months is an eternity in politics, and a year ago no one in the chattering class –— including me –— believed Trump had any real shot at becoming the Republican standard-bearer. With Clinton struggling to sew up the Democratic nomination against a socialist septuagenarian –— she’s expected to lose tomorrow’s Kentucky primary –— we cannot foreclose the possibility that she will botch the fall campaign against the billionaire businessman.

The presidency is hers to lose, but here are a dozen ways Clinton can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:

1. Complacency

Remember the Michigan primary? Every poll showed Clinton up double digits, but she lost to Bernie Sanders. One reason is that supporters and field staffers believed she had it in the bag.

The campaign has been using last week’s Quinnipiac polls showing tight races in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania to shake a greater sense of urgency into donors and activists.

Clinton is at her worst when she thinks she’s at her best. She tends to rise to the occasion only when her back is against the wall. Remember 2008? Or recall last summer, when Sanders looked like nothing more than a nuisance and polls showed her ahead by more than 50 points, how she joked about wiping her server clean with a cloth and how her handlers literally used ropes to corral journalists at a parade. Over time, she found herself neck-and-neck with Sanders, who is a weak candidate by most traditional measures. Under heavy pressure in the days before Iowa, when it looked like she could lose the caucuses, she temporarily became a much better campaigner –— then backslid after her wins in Nevada and South Carolina.

2. Unforced errors

When Hillary goes off her carefully scripted message, she has a tendency to gaffe. One reason she is expected to lose Kentucky tomorrow is her declaration at a town hall this spring that, “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”
 
Don’t forget about her other gaffes, like when she invoked 9/11 to defend her coziness with Wall Street, when she called Republicans the enemy or when she said she and her husband were “dead broke” when they left the White House in 2001.

And there was the time Clinton incensed the gay community by praising the Reagans for starting “a national conversation” about HIV/AIDS, prompting a quick retraction.

3. Not inspiring


Clinton cannot just make this election a referendum on Trumpism. She must outline a compelling vision for where she wants to take the country to fully activate the coalition that powered Barack Obama.

“I am not a natural politician, in case you haven't noticed, like my husband or President Obama," Clinton said at The Post’s debate in March.

The presumptive Democratic nominee campaigns in prose, not poetry. And she does not always try to be uplifting in her speeches.

It’s part of the explanation for why so many millennials, including young women, have spurned her for Bernie. While Sanders promises tuition-free college, she talks about extending an obscure tax credit. As my colleague David Fahrenthold explained in a story about Clinton’s wonkiness last week, this credit can be worth up to $2,500: “But only if students find their Form 1098-T, then fill out the relevant portions of Form 8863, then enter the amount from lines 8 and 19 of Form 8863 in lines 68 and 50 of their Form 1040.” That is not going to send a thrill up Chris Matthews’s leg….
 
4. Not being “likable enough”

My colleagues Dan Balz and Anne Gearan spoke with more than a dozen Clinton allies about her biggest weaknesses for a piece on today’s front page. “I bring it down to one thing and one thing only, and that is likability,” said Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster who has conducted a series of focus groups for the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. Hart said this is “about the lowest bar” for a candidate, and yet Clinton has lower likability numbers today than she did when the campaign began.

Balz and Gearan report that Clinton advisers are working to soften her stiff public image by highlighting her compassion and playing up her problem-solving abilities. “I mean, we can’t give her an injection to make her an energetic candidate,” one longtime Clinton family supporter and donor said on background. (Read the full piece here.)
 
5. Moving too far to the right

The Sanders campaign has circulated stories about Clinton forces reaching out to top Jeb Bush donors to convince them that “that she represents their values better” than Trump.

Clinton, who used to brag about being a Goldwater Girl in 1964, will be very tempted to appeal aggressively to moderate Republicans who are turned off by Trump. On paper, the Democrat will actually be more of a hawk and more willing to use military force than the Republican. The Donald is all over the place on policy, but Clinton is presently to his right on trade and campaign finance.

She needs Sanders supporters to unite behind her. If it looks like she’s shifting rightward to win votes, she will look inauthentic and many Bernie people will stay on the sidelines.

 
Sanders supporters dance for him at a rally in Salem, Oregon. (Rob Kerr/AFP/Getty Images)

6. Moving too far to the left

Clinton has treated Sanders with kid gloves recently. She wants him and his people to fall in line after the July convention in Philadelphia, and she calculates that antagonizing him is not worth sewing up the nomination earlier.

The Vermont senator has made clear he wants significant concessions, including very liberal policy planks in the party platform. The Clinton people will be inclined to give on a lot because the platform is not binding. Just last week, for instance, she embraced several reforms to the Federal Reserve that are sought by the progressive wing of the party.

But, if Hillary continues to lurch leftward to satisfy the Bernie people, it will be harder to win those in the middle and woo disaffected Republicans.

You might think it’s unfair to say Clinton cannot go too far left or too far right. But everyone running for president has this problem. It is a difficult needle to thread, yet the Clintons have proven deft at triangulation. Now, Hillary needs to be Goldilocks.

 
Bernie speaks at the L&N Train Depot in Bowling Green, Ky., on Saturday. (Austin Anthony/Daily News via AP)

7. Bungling her VP selection

There’s no perfect pick, and candidates who look great on paper might turn out to fall flat –— or have skeletons in their closet.

Citing four people close to the campaign, USA Today reports this morning that “Clinton is considering a running mate who could make a direct appeal to supporters of Sanders, bridging a generational and political divide” and that “Clinton’s chief requirements include a candidate’s resume and a fighter capable of hand-to-hand combat with Trump. The campaign’s vetting also prioritizes demographics over someone from a key swing state as she seeks to unify the Democratic voting base.”

There are parts of every would-be number two’s record that will upset at least some portion of the Democratic Party. Take this story that just posted on Politico: “Targeted by progressive activists hoping to kill his chances of being picked as Clinton’s running mate, Julián Castro is set this week to announce changes to what’s become a hot-button Housing and Urban Development program for selling bad mortgages on its books.”

8. Allowing herself to get defined as an insider

Clinton lost to Obama in 2008 by underestimating the electorate’s hunger for change. Once again, Hillary risks coming to represent the status quo in the eyes of voters who want a renegade.

“Right now, about 6 in 10 Americans have an unfavorable view of Trump.… But the country is faring even worse. … 64.9 percent think we are heading down the wrong track,” The Post’s Editorial Page Editor Fred Hiatt noted last week in a column warning Democrats not to celebrate Trump. “So what if even voters who respect Clinton’s competence reject her as the embodiment of business as usual? And what if even voters who do not like Trump’s bigotry or bluster care more that he will, in their view, shake things up? … I do have faith in the American voter, I really do. But when two-thirds of the country is unhappy, a rational outcome can’t be taken for granted.”

 
Donald Trump watches his daughter Tiffany graduate from Penn yesterday. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

9. Not directly engaging with Trump’s attacks

In trying to stay above the fray, Clinton could find herself defined by Trump. Remember the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth? John Kerry didn’t push back forcefully enough early on, and he paid a price.

Last week, Trump called Clinton an “enabler” of her husband’s behavior. While objectively offensive, the Democratic front-runner steadfastly refused to respond. “I’m going to let him run his campaign however he chooses,” she told reporters. “I have nothing to say about him.”

Trump gives a whole new meaning to term “bully pulpit.” And there is very conventional logic in not responding to every insult and attack: it leads to more repetition of the original charge and keeps it in the news.

Hillary dislikes the media. Her impulse is to keep the press away, to only give the appearance of access and to focus her attention on friendly outlets that will engage in puffery.

Trump, to his credit, talks to basically everyone. It gets him in trouble, like when he told Chris Matthews that women who get abortions should be punished. But the tradeoff is that he has often gotten to set the terms of the debate. If he repeats something enough times, however preposterous, some may come to believe it.

 
Bill Clinton speaks in Paterson, N.J., on Friday. (Chris Pedota/The Record of Bergen County via AP)

10. Bill going “off the reservation”

“I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak,” Hillary recently said on CNN. A few days later, she clarified on MSNBC that she was not referring to her husband –— but Rick Lazio and Vladimir Putin.

The former president has caused fewer headaches for his wife’s campaign than he did in 2008, when he called Obama’s bid “the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen,” said the other side was playing the “race card,” and downplayed a loss in South Carolina by noting Jesse Jackson Jr. had won there too.

That does not mean he has not ruined news cycles for his wife in 2016 –— or has the ability to.

Remember his outburst on the eve of the New Hampshire primary when he accused Sanders of being dishonest and his supporters of being sexist?

Or when he got into an on-stage argument with Black Lives Matter protesters in Philadelphia last month, defending his crime bill and his wife’s 1996 comment about bringing “super-predators … to heel”? The next day, he said: “I almost want to apologize.” But then didn’t.

The campaign must manage WJC appropriately. It’s hard to control any spouse; a former president – especially “The Big Dog” – is even harder.

Trump will try to make Hillary own all the unpopular elements of the Clinton era. Expect to hear a lot about Marc Rich’s pardon and the Lincoln Bedroom.

Hillary will take credit for the popular elements of her husband’s tenure and take umbrage when Trump tries to pin the unpopular parts on her, as she already has with the crime bill and Wall Street deregulation.

11. Being overly secretive

Clinton is not widely seen as trustworthy. Her refusal to release the transcripts of her speeches at Goldman Sachs will continue to dog her. Asked during a debate why she received $675,000 for three short appearances, she replied: “Well, I don't know. That’s what they offered.”

But Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns –— along with his evolving answers and lame excuses –— neutralizes this potential problem for the Clinton campaign.

FBI Director James Comey testifies on Capitol Hill. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)

12. Getting indicted

It is unlikely, but the FBI investigation into Clinton’s possible mishandling of classified information hangs like a cloud over her campaign.

“Investigators have found scant evidence tying Clinton to criminal wrongdoing, although they are still working on the case and charges have not been ruled out,” my colleague Ellen Nakashima reported last week. “They have also been interviewing former aides to Clinton, including Cheryl Mills, who served as chief of staff while Clinton was secretary of state. Prosecutors and FBI agents hope to be able to interview Clinton as they try to wrap up the investigation.”

Among other potential problems identified by supporters in Balz and Gearan’s story today: “Clinton’s unpopularity with white men, questions about whether her family philanthropic foundation helped donors and friends, and lingering clouds from her tenure at the State Department, including … the Benghazi attacks in which four Americans were killed and her support for military intervention in Libya.”

-- Don’t forget, history is not on Hillary’s side. Since World War II, only once has a party controlled the White House for three consecutive terms. (George H.W. Bush succeeded Ronald Reagan by beating Mike Dukakis in 1988.)

-- Bottom line: Clinton is more likely than not to be president at this time next year, but the election will probably be closer than you think and Trump could actually win if she doesn’t play her cards right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/05/16/daily-202-the-presidency-is-hillary-clinton-s-to-lose-here-are-12-ways-she-could-lose-it/5738b37d981b92a22d7ee2f0/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 16, 2016, 01:06:02 PM
I agree with everything except the deranged part.  She's not crazy.  She's just a typical greedy, partisan, dishonest, big government liberal.  Very predictable. 

two democrats are running in this election.

only difference is, as you said, hilary is quite predictable.  You can almost write her presidency now.

Trump is a huge question mark.   Twitter war with the UK is the latest, I believe?  ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on May 16, 2016, 01:10:45 PM
I agree with everything except the deranged part.  She's not crazy.  She's just a typical greedy, partisan, dishonest, big government liberal.  Very predictable. 

I agree with you, except for the liberal part.  To me, she's a placeholder for that and it keeps many people from trying to find an actual liberal.

And if she gets into a dangerous situation, I believe we'll see her deranged side come out (we catch little glimpses of it when she throws back a shot and lets loose the cackle).  Let's just hope it isn't our final stand, whatever it is.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 04:17:00 PM
Going to be one nasty campaign.

Little Is Off Limits as Donald Trump Plans Attacks on Hillary Clinton’s Character
By PATRICK HEALY
MAY 16, 2016
 
Supporters of Donald J. Trump waiting for a campaign rally this month in Lynden, Wash. In an interview, Mr. Trump noted that women did not like seeing Hillary Clinton insulted or bullied by men and said he planned to attack her more strategically. Credit David Ryder for The New York Times 
 
Donald J. Trump plans to throw Bill Clinton’s infidelities in Hillary Clinton’s face on live television during the presidential debates this fall, questioning whether she enabled his behavior and sought to discredit the women involved.

Mr. Trump will try to hold her accountable for security lapses at the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and for the death of Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens there.

And he intends to portray Mrs. Clinton as fundamentally corrupt, invoking everything from her cattle futures trades in the late 1970s to the federal investigation into her email practices as secretary of state.

Drawing on psychological warfare tactics that Mr. Trump used to defeat “Lyin’ Ted” Cruz, “Little Marco” Rubio and “Low-Energy” Jeb Bush in the Republican primaries, the Trump campaign is mapping out character attacks on the Clintons to try to increase their negative poll ratings and bait them into making political mistakes, according to interviews with Mr. Trump and his advisers.

Another goal is to win over skeptical Republicans, since nothing unites the party quite like castigating the Clintons. Attacking them could also deflect attention from Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities, such as his treatment of women, some Trump allies say.

For Mrs. Clinton, the coming battle is something of a paradox. She has decades of experience and qualifications, but it may not be merit that wins her the presidency — it may be how she handles the humiliations inflicted by Mr. Trump.
 
“She is so prepared to be president, but holding her head high and staying dignified during the campaign is probably what will help her the most,” said Melanne Verveer, a longtime friend and former chief of staff to Mrs. Clinton. “Trump is yet another way she will be tested personally — one of her greatest tests yet.”

Mrs. Clinton has often flourished in the wake of boorish behavior: her husband’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, Kenneth W. Starr’s investigation of her husband, the congressional impeachment proceedings. Women rallied to her side during her 2000 Senate race after her Republican opponent, Representative Rick A. Lazio, invaded her personal space during one debate, and they helped her win the 2008 New Hampshire primary shortly after Barack Obama dismissively said she was “likable enough.”

Yet Mr. Trump said he was determined not to fall into those traps.

In a telephone interview, he noted that women did not like seeing Mrs. Clinton insulted or bullied by men. He said he wanted to be more strategic, by calling into question Mrs. Clinton’s judgment in her reaction to Mr. Clinton’s affairs — people close to the couple have said she was involved in efforts to discredit the women — and in her response to crises like Benghazi.

“Just getting nasty with Hillary won’t work,” Mr. Trump said. “You really have to get people to look hard at her character, and to get women to ask themselves if Hillary is truly sincere and authentic. Because she has been really ugly in trying to destroy Bill’s mistresses, and she is pandering to women so obviously when she is only interested in getting power.”

He acknowledged that Republicans tried to discredit her judgment in the marathon Benghazi hearing in the fall, to little avail. But he said that he would be more pointed and memorable in linking her to the failings and deaths in Libya, and that the debate would have a vastly larger television audience than the hearing. Still, advisers of Mrs. Clinton pointed to her face-off with the Republican-led Benghazi committee as a sign of her unflappability.
 
“From Rick Lazio to the House Benghazi committee, there’s a long line of Republicans who set out to personally attack Hillary Clinton but ended up inflicting the damage on themselves,” a Clinton campaign spokesman, Brian Fallon, said in a statement. “We know Donald Trump is the most unconventional of them all, but no matter what he throws at her, she will keep running her own campaign and won’t hesitate to call him out.”

Several Clinton advisers said they were not underestimating Mr. Trump’s ability to do some damage, acknowledging that Mrs. Clinton’s unfavorability ratings were high — though not as high as Mr. Trump’s — and that many Americans had concerns about her honesty and trustworthiness, according to polls.

But these Clinton advisers expressed confidence that Mr. Trump would overreach and engender sympathy for Mrs. Clinton. Two advisers said that the campaign had done polling to test the possible effectiveness of Mr. Trump’s lines of attacks and, while not disclosing details about the data, that they were convinced that he would not seriously hurt her.

Mrs. Clinton, in turn, has begun attacking Mr. Trump over his refusal to release his tax returns, suggesting he has something to hide, and over his temperament and leadership abilities by describing him as a “loose cannon.” And political allies say that, in time, voters will see through Mr. Trump’s criticisms.

“He can’t run on his forward-looking agenda because he doesn’t have one, and he can’t go after her on substantive policy because she knows so much more than he does,” said Thomas R. Nides, Mrs. Clinton’s former deputy secretary of state for management and resources.

Yet Mr. Trump has been steadily underestimated during the presidential campaign. His Republican rivals were certain that voters would tire of his slashing style and his harsh language, and some political strategists were sure his lack of policy details would make him unprepared in the eyes of too many.
 
Even one of Mrs. Clinton’s biggest assets to many Democrats — becoming the first female president and returning Mr. Clinton to a White House role — can be exploited as vulnerabilities.

“We’ve never had a woman at the top of the ticket, and there will be plenty of people who’ll have a problem with her gender,” said Christina Greer, a political scientist at Fordham University. And Mr. Trump “can say that Bill Clinton was accused of rape and destroyed a girl’s life,” she added, referring to allegations by Juanita Broaddrick of a sexual assault in the 1970s and to the Lewinsky affair.

With polls showing that Mr. Trump has unprecedented high negative ratings with voters and is in particular trouble with women, some Republican strategists say he has no choice but to try to drive up Mrs. Clinton’s unfavorability ratings. A recent CNN/ORC poll found that 57 percent of likely Trump supporters said that their votes were more to express opposition to Mrs. Clinton than to support Mr. Trump.

“His best way to rally hostile Republican delegates before the convention is to show he’s a great Clinton attack dog,” said Mike Murphy, a Republican strategist who oversaw a “super PAC” supporting Mr. Bush in this year’s Republican race.

Mark Penn, the chief strategist for Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, and the Harvard University Center for American Political Studies have conducted polling that indicates that attacks against Mrs. Clinton over her private email server, the deaths in Benghazi and other issues would weaken her in a matchup against Mr. Trump.

“The poll shows he could bring her vote down with sharp attacks, but that does not bring his vote up,” Mr. Penn wrote in an email.

At a campaign rally for Mrs. Clinton on Wednesday in New Jersey, some supporters said they were concerned about the damage Mr. Trump could do. They described him as a street fighter and worried that Mrs. Clinton would not be gutsy and nimble enough to deliver a knockout punch.

“Trump is a real lowbrow brawler,” said Michael Magazzu, an entrepreneur in the energy sector from Vineland, N.J. “That’s not her style. She has to counteract him, and the best way may be to keep her cool.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 16, 2016, 05:39:04 PM
Trump keeps talking about women, the women card, the women vote.

Not a smart way to win women.  Talk about jobs, the economy, solutions to crime, and other things which affect them. 

Women will mobilize and it won't be for him.   (Although at this point, that feels intentional)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on May 17, 2016, 12:08:59 AM
Trump keeps talking about women, the women card, the women vote.

Not a smart way to win women.  Talk about jobs, the economy, solutions to crime, and other things which affect them. 

Women will mobilize and it won't be for him.   (Although at this point, that feels intentional)

Hillary has a bigger problem with men than he does with women.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 17, 2016, 08:25:08 AM
Hillary has a bigger problem with men than he does with women.

The number of female voters has exceeded the number of male voters in every presidential election since 1964

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/genderdiff.pdf
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on May 17, 2016, 08:40:24 AM
The number of female voters has exceeded the number of male voters in every presidential election since 1964

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/genderdiff.pdf

Trump still has the skills and 5 months to make up some of the slack. Life long democrat women voters I know tell me even though they despise his antics he still does have some sort of bizarre charm to him.

Hillary has absolutely zero of that.

And as you stated if he can turn this conversation towards the economy he has a better chance of bringing women over then she ever will bringing any men over.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2016, 10:27:39 AM
Politico: Trump Hires Pollster Tony Fabrizio
By Greg Richter   |   Monday, 16 May 2016

Donald Trump has hired veteran pollster Tony Fabrizio, who helped engineer Florida Gov. Rick Scott's unexpected victory, Politico reports.

Trump has for months resisted calls to hire a pollster, relying instead on his own business acumen and force of personality to capture vanquish 16 party rivals. Politico indicated Paul Manafort, whom Trump hired as convention manager, weeks ago, may have played a role in changing Trump's mind.

Fabrizio previously worked on Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's failed presidential effort and Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin's win in 2015. He is also an adviser for Florida Rep. Ron DeSantis' Senate campaign.

He also was worked for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the presidential campaigns of Sen. Bob Dole in 1996 and then-Texas Gov. Rick Perry in 2012.

He was also part of the Willie Horton campaign in 1988 that helped doom Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis' campaign by painting him as soft on crime.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/donald-trump-hires-pollster-tony-fabrizio/2016/05/16/id/729107/#ixzz48w2Q9Z4F
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
Hillary/Sanders.  *face palm*

Bernie’s The Early Favorite For Clinton’s Running Mate
Tuesday, May 17, 2016

They may still be embroiled in a contentious primary race, but Democratic voters appear to want Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to run on the same presidential ticket later this year.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that from a list of five potential vice presidential picks, 36% of Likely Democratic Voters think Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate. Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren comes in a distant second with 19%, while 10% prefer Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro.

Eight percent (8%) of Democrats think Clinton should tap New Jersey Senator Cory Booker for the VP spot, while just two percent (2%) say that of former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley who dropped out of the 2016 Democratic presidential race in the early going. However, 12% of Democrats prefer some other candidate not listed, and 13% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Among all Likely Voters, Sanders is still the favorite with 26%, followed by Warren with 13%. Booker and O’Malley each come in with six percent (6%), while Castro is the favorite of five percent (5%). But 44% of voters are looking elsewhere, including 25% who prefer some other candidate and 19% who are not sure.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) of all voters say the vice presidential nominee will be important to how they vote in the upcoming presidential election, but that includes only 33% who say it is Very Important. Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Democrats consider the veep spot to be important to their vote, compared to 85% of GOP voters. Still, GOP voters (34%) are slightly less likely than Democrats (37%) to say the candidate in the number two slot is Very Important.

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The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on May 11-12, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

On the Republican side, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson are early favorites among GOP voters to run alongside presumptive nominee Donald Trump.

Because of the anti-establishment tone of Trump's and Sanders' campaigns, some have suggested that they should reach outside their party for a running mate, but voters strongly disagree. Sixty-eight percent (68%) say it’s at least somewhat important for a presidential candidate to pick someone from his or her own party to be the vice presidential candidate, including 35% who say that’s Very Important. Thirty percent (30%) don’t think it’s important, including only six percent (6%) who say it’s Not At All Important.

Republicans (50%) are far more likely than Democrats (32%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (21%) to think it’s Very Important for a presidential nominee to choose within the party.

Twenty-six percent (26%) of unaffiliated voters think Sanders should be Clinton’s vice presidential pick, while 10% prefer Warren. However, nearly half of these voters prefer someone else or are not sure.

Most Republicans don’t prefer any of the candidates listed, but Sanders still leads the pack among GOP voters with 15%.

Forty percent (40%) of voters under 40 think Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate, a view shared by just 21% of middle-aged voters and 17% of senior citizens. Though Sanders draws the most support in all three age groups, those 40 and over are more likely to prefer another candidate to any of those listed.

Interestingly given the heavy media coverage about Sanders’ struggles to gain their support, black voters (34%) feel even more strongly than white voters (22%) do that Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate. An even higher number (42%) of other minority voters support Sanders on the ticket with Clinton.

Despite the surprising success of Sanders, Democrats remain overwhelmingly convinced that Clinton is their party's likely presidential nominee for 2016.

The success of Sanders in the 2016 campaign has exposed the growing rift between the Democratic party establishment and the party’s more progressive wing. Forty-seven percent (47%) of Democrats believe the Democratic Party should be more like Clinton, but 39% say it should be more like Sanders. Twelve percent (12%) say the party should be like neither one.

Warren is perhaps just as popular as Sanders on the political left, but only 30% of Democrats last August thought the Massachusetts senator should have run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016. Forty-five percent (45%) said she shouldn’t run.

So far the Clinton-Trump race looks like it’s going to be a close one.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/bernie_s_the_early_favorite_for_clinton_s_running_mate
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on May 17, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
Hillary/Sanders.  *face palm*

Bernie’s The Early Favorite For Clinton’s Running Mate
Tuesday, May 17, 2016

They may still be embroiled in a contentious primary race, but Democratic voters appear to want Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to run on the same presidential ticket later this year.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that from a list of five potential vice presidential picks, 36% of Likely Democratic Voters think Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate. Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren comes in a distant second with 19%, while 10% prefer Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro.

Eight percent (8%) of Democrats think Clinton should tap New Jersey Senator Cory Booker for the VP spot, while just two percent (2%) say that of former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley who dropped out of the 2016 Democratic presidential race in the early going. However, 12% of Democrats prefer some other candidate not listed, and 13% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Among all Likely Voters, Sanders is still the favorite with 26%, followed by Warren with 13%. Booker and O’Malley each come in with six percent (6%), while Castro is the favorite of five percent (5%). But 44% of voters are looking elsewhere, including 25% who prefer some other candidate and 19% who are not sure.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) of all voters say the vice presidential nominee will be important to how they vote in the upcoming presidential election, but that includes only 33% who say it is Very Important. Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Democrats consider the veep spot to be important to their vote, compared to 85% of GOP voters. Still, GOP voters (34%) are slightly less likely than Democrats (37%) to say the candidate in the number two slot is Very Important.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on May 11-12, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

On the Republican side, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson are early favorites among GOP voters to run alongside presumptive nominee Donald Trump.

Because of the anti-establishment tone of Trump's and Sanders' campaigns, some have suggested that they should reach outside their party for a running mate, but voters strongly disagree. Sixty-eight percent (68%) say it’s at least somewhat important for a presidential candidate to pick someone from his or her own party to be the vice presidential candidate, including 35% who say that’s Very Important. Thirty percent (30%) don’t think it’s important, including only six percent (6%) who say it’s Not At All Important.

Republicans (50%) are far more likely than Democrats (32%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (21%) to think it’s Very Important for a presidential nominee to choose within the party.

Twenty-six percent (26%) of unaffiliated voters think Sanders should be Clinton’s vice presidential pick, while 10% prefer Warren. However, nearly half of these voters prefer someone else or are not sure.

Most Republicans don’t prefer any of the candidates listed, but Sanders still leads the pack among GOP voters with 15%.

Forty percent (40%) of voters under 40 think Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate, a view shared by just 21% of middle-aged voters and 17% of senior citizens. Though Sanders draws the most support in all three age groups, those 40 and over are more likely to prefer another candidate to any of those listed.

Interestingly given the heavy media coverage about Sanders’ struggles to gain their support, black voters (34%) feel even more strongly than white voters (22%) do that Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate. An even higher number (42%) of other minority voters support Sanders on the ticket with Clinton.

Despite the surprising success of Sanders, Democrats remain overwhelmingly convinced that Clinton is their party's likely presidential nominee for 2016.

The success of Sanders in the 2016 campaign has exposed the growing rift between the Democratic party establishment and the party’s more progressive wing. Forty-seven percent (47%) of Democrats believe the Democratic Party should be more like Clinton, but 39% say it should be more like Sanders. Twelve percent (12%) say the party should be like neither one.

Warren is perhaps just as popular as Sanders on the political left, but only 30% of Democrats last August thought the Massachusetts senator should have run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016. Forty-five percent (45%) said she shouldn’t run.

So far the Clinton-Trump race looks like it’s going to be a close one.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/bernie_s_the_early_favorite_for_clinton_s_running_mate

Help Ensure A Stacked Liberal Supreme Court and a Socialist for Vice President: Vote Gary Johnson for President
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2016, 12:23:54 PM
Put a dangerous, not-too-bright, uninformed, intemperate, dishonest narcissist in control of the military and give him access to nuclear weapons:  vote Donald Trump for president. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on May 17, 2016, 12:25:16 PM
Put a dangerous, not-too-bright, uninformed, intemperate, dishonest narcissist in control of the military and give him access to nuclear weapons:  vote Donald Trump for president. 

Exactly.

I would rather vote MY conscience than just "give it" to the idiots that are in the big 2.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2016, 12:25:32 PM
NBC Poll: Trump, Hillary in Virtual Tie
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=397baf54-792d-4f55-abeb-bc24ad03cc24&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: NBC Poll: Trump, Hillary in Virtual Tie  (Getty Images)
By Mark Swanson   |    Tuesday, 17 May 2016

A new NBC News/Survey Monkey poll released Tuesday shows Donald Trump has gained 2 percentage points on Hillary Clinton's lead nationally in one week.

 According to the poll:
•Clinton leads Trump 48 percent to 45 percent;
•Clinton leads Trump with African-American voters, 84 percent to 9 percent;
•Clinton leads Trump with Latino voters, 65 percent to 28 percent;
•Trump leads Clinton with independent voters, 44 percent to 36 percent;
•Clinton leads Trump with moderate voters, 53 percent to 39 percent.

According to NBC News, Clinton beats Trump by 15 points among women, while the billionaire developer carries men by a similar 11-percent margin.

Trump does better with voters with high school degrees, while Clinton leads with voters who have a college degree. Stunningly, Clinton leads Trump by 20 points with voters from households earning less than $50,000, reports NBC News.

The real estate mogul's connection to the working class has been a strong narrative in the Republican primary, especially in Rust Belt states, swing states that will play a key role in the general election.

Though Clinton maintains a double-digit lead over primary rival Bernie Sanders, the poll showed that Sanders defeats Trump by a wider margin in a would-be general election.

Clinton held a 5-point national lead over Trump last week.

Further, The Hill reports that 6 out of 10 Republicans polled trust Trump over Speaker Paul Ryan. Trump leads Ryan 63 percent to 34 percent with voters who say they are very conservative.

Trump and Ryan met last week to start the process of healing and unifying the party. On the line is Ryan's endorsement of Trump.

The survey of 14,100 adults was administered May 9-15. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 1.2 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Poll-Clinton-Trump-National/2016/05/17/id/729137/#ixzz48wU13SZS
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 17, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Exactly.

I would rather vote MY conscience than just "give it" to the idiots that are in the big 2.

I agree.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on May 17, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
Help Ensure A Stacked Liberal Supreme Court and a Socialist for Vice President: Vote Gary Johnson for President

I agree 100%

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/01/04/hillary-im-not-lying-so-the-benghazi-families-must-be-n2099353
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 17, 2016, 01:11:16 PM
Put a dangerous, not-too-bright, uninformed, intemperate, dishonest narcissist in control of the military and give him access to nuclear weapons:  vote Donald Trump for president. 

I'd ask you who do you think is more likely to steer the country into a highly dangerous showdown with another major global power - Trump or Hilary - and I think if you'd answer (which I doubt), you would say it's Trump.

Hilary will be Obama II.   We'll grow weaker and more liberally gradually, but she's been playing ball with these world leaders since 1992 in one way or another.  No surprises.

Trump won't rule out using Nukes in Europe.  Think that through, people. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 18, 2016, 10:08:28 AM
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Are Winning Votes, but Not Hearts
By MICHAEL BARBARO
MARCH 15, 2016

The victories were lopsided. The celebrations were effusive. The delegates were piling up by the hundreds.

But Donald J. Trump and Hillary Clinton’s resounding triumphs on Tuesday masked a profound, historic and unusual reality: Most Americans still don’t like him. Or her.

Both major parties must now confront the depth of skepticism, resistance and distaste for their front-runners, a sentiment that would profoundly shape a potential general election showdown between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton.

Even as they watched the two candidates amass large margins on Tuesday, historians and strategists struggled to recall a time when more than half the country has held such stubbornly low opinions of the leading figures in the Democratic and Republican Parties.

“There is no analogous election in the modern era where the two top candidates for the nomination are as divisive and weak,” said Steve Schmidt, a top campaign adviser to George W. Bush in 2004 and John McCain in 2008. “There is no precedent for it.”

Mrs. Clinton’s commanding wins in the swing states of Ohio, North Carolina and Florida seemed to hobble the once robust challenge of Senator Bernie Sanders. And Mr. Trump’s dominance in Florida, North Carolina and Illinois knocked out Senator Marco Rubio and propelled Mr. Trump even closer to the Republican nomination.

This would be the moment, under normal circumstances, when the de facto nominees, emerging victorious from the intramural skirmishes of their parties’ nominating contests, would invite an eager national electorate to take their measure. And in their victory speeches, both tried their best, issuing broad appeals for Americans to unite behind them.

But Mr. Trump has unnerved many Americans with his inflammatory oratory and radical-sounding proposals. And Mrs. Clinton, while viewed as a more seasoned and serious political figure, has struggled in her campaign to win the trust of the American electorate. And it is all but impossible for the country to take a fresh look at them.

America has lived with Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton, in a remarkably intimate fashion, for decades, processing their controversies, achievements and setbacks, from impeachment to marital breakdowns, Senate victories to flashy skyscraper openings. Voters’ impressions of them, with few exceptions, are largely formed and fixed. According to Gallup, 53 percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Mrs. Clinton and 63 percent have such a view of Mr. Trump.

“You are talking about two universally known figures here,” said David Axelrod, the former Democratic strategist and former adviser in the Obama White House. “The strong feeling that each generates is unusual.”

The negative perceptions will be difficult to overcome.

Fewer than half of Republican voters across five states on Tuesday said Mr. Trump was honest and trustworthy. Even in the states where he won, a majority of voters do not view him as truthful.

And while majorities of Democratic voters viewed Mrs. Clinton as honest and trustworthy, she finished second to Mr. Sanders among those who said honesty mattered most in their decision.

That reality is forcing the Trump and Clinton campaigns to prepare for all-out warfare against each other, an improbably brutal dynamic for a pair of New Yorkers whose paths have crossed, repeatedly, for years — even on the way down the wedding aisle. (Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, attended Mr. Trump’s third wedding, in 2005.)

They are devising appeals that are as much arguments that their all-but-certain opponent would be disastrous for the nation as they are messages trumpeting their own virtues or character.

Aides to both predict that a Clinton-Trump contest would be an ugly and unrelenting slugfest, as she pounces on his business practices and personal integrity, portraying him as unscrupulous robber baron, and he lacerates her over ethical lapses and sudden riches, painting her as a conniving abuser of power certain to be indicted in a federal investigation.

There is, both sides concede, plenty of material to mine, stretching back to 1980s Arkansas (for her) and 1970s New York (for him).

Voters are strikingly familiar with the candidates’ biographical vulnerabilities and political liabilities, interviews show, and they express disapproval in vivid, sweeping terms.

Kent Moore, 51, a Democrat from Charlotte, N.C., does not simply dislike Mrs. Clinton. He doubts her basic values.“She has no moral center,” Mr. Moore said.

He ticks off past sins: She favored free trade agreements that have killed American jobs, he said, and she supported the misbegotten 2003 war in Iraq. How, he wondered, could she beat Mr. Trump with a record like that?

Even those who vote for Mrs. Clinton harbor reservations. Renee White, 31, a Democrat in Youngstown, Ohio, is not entirely convinced that Mrs. Clinton, her choice in Tuesday’s primary, cares about people like her, she said. “A lot of people,” she said, “just don’t trust her at all.”

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The views of Mr. Trump from Republicans are almost equally uncharitable and unwavering.

“Too crude and rude,” is how Nikki Heath, 59, a graphic artist from the Columbus, Ohio, area put it. She supports the state’s low-key, genial governor, John Kasich. She has written off Mr. Trump and his antics as “an embarrassment.”

The distaste is so strong that voters speak of a radical transformation (or personality transplant) required for them to consider backing Mr. Trump.

“He’s going to have to be completely different,” said Steve Rogers, an engineer in Ohio who will try to hold his nose and back him if he becomes the nominee.

Those dim assessments are not isolated, which is why the commanding tallies that Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton have collected are pushing both parties into uncharted waters. Should they clinch the nomination, it would represent the first time in at least a quarter-century that majorities of Americans held negative views of both the Democratic and Republican candidates at the same time.

The highest unfavorability rating for any nominee or front-runner was 57 percent, for the elder George Bush, in October 1992, as he emerged from a difficult first term in the White House. But his Democratic rival, Mr. Clinton, was widely liked: Just 38 percent viewed him unfavorably, according to Gallup.

The unpopularity of Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton is prompting Republicans and Democrats to weigh unusual considerations at the ballot box.

Lowell P. Weicker Jr., who sought the Republican nomination for president in 1980 and served as an independent governor of Connecticut in the 1990s, said he held Mrs. Clinton in low regard. But he holds Mr. Trump in even greater contempt. “I don’t like her,” Mr. Weicker said, “but I am sure going to vote for her over Trump.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 18, 2016, 10:10:14 AM
Trump's Bill Clinton Barb Contradicts Past Praise
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Image: Trump's Bill Clinton Barb Contradicts Past Praise (Getty Images)
By Cathy Burke   |   Wednesday, 18 May 2016

Donald Trump, who is lambasting President Bill Clinton's economic record, last year called him the best of the past four commanders-in-chief – and has repeatedly lavished praise on the former executive over the years.

Trump lobbed a Twitter bomb Tuesday after Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton announced her plan to put her husband in charge of fixing the economy, tweeting: “How can Crooked Hillary put her husband in charge of the economy when he was responsible for NAFTA, the worst economic deal in U.S. history?

USA Today points out, however, that last June on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Trump picked Bill Clinton as the best of the past four executives.

The newspaper also chronicles other instances where Trump enthused about the 42nd president of the United States, including:

In 1997, when he told CNN's Robert Novak: "I think Bill Clinton has done a terrific job. I don't think he's been treated very fairly."
In 1999, when he told the Associated Press that Clinton "could have gone down as a very good and almost great president, primarily because of the economy."
In 1999, when he praised Bill Clinton on NBC for his "two best appointments" – Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.

In 2009, when in an interview with  Fox News’s Sean Hannity, Trump said the economy "did great under Ronald Reagan. And it did great under Bill Clinton, in all fairness."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Donald-Trump-Bill-Clinton-Hillary-Clinton-Election-2016/2016/05/18/id/729399/#ixzz491oXRgPo
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on May 18, 2016, 10:19:59 AM
trump and bill were golfing buddies for years.

bill called him and 'encouraged him to get more involved" right before he announced his plan to wreck the GOP and paint repubs as racist, sexist pricks.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: M4tad0r on May 18, 2016, 03:12:10 PM
Their agenda is to serve the top 1% even if that means killing off the middleclass. They cant run on this so they create an enemy to take focus away.
Dictators all over use this method all the time. If you convince and scare the population enough you can do almost anything.

Right on the money, all this debating politic is just childish.

In the Democratic side Hillary Clinton said that this country can't afford to pay for college but so far the USA have spent a trillion dollars in the wars in the Middle East and is spending billions with no end in sight. That's how much the elite think of the middle class.

And the Republican side? They orchestrated the whole 9/11 false flag operation to begin with.

 Donal Trump can be a lot of things but he has the money to be independent and knows how to run multimillion dollar corporations. Not to mention he has met more leader internationally than any other President in the history of the USA.

The question is, if he wins will make America Great again or he will just bend over to the elites, like the Rothschild, the banks and Wall Street. Only time will tell.

And if Hillary wins, get ready to get bend over middle class, because she's a bigger chikenhawk than all the Republicans put together, and there is enough information out there that prove what a lying and corrupt piece of shit she is. May God help us all.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on May 18, 2016, 03:24:36 PM
How is Trump not the elite?

He IS the 1%!

Yes, Hillary is shitty, no argument, but they are BOTH in the 1% category... Neither Trump, nor Hillary will be any different.

Amazing how in 2016 a person in the top 1% can fool the people in the bottom 30% that he's "with them".

HAH!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: M4tad0r on May 18, 2016, 03:46:15 PM
He doesn't have to be with us, but I guarantee he's seeing the writing in the wall and all this spending can not be sustained for the next 2 decades, the wars have to end, crony capitalism has to end, this trade deficit with China, Mexico, etc, has to end, somebody need to reign hard on Wall Street, nobody went to jail for the ponzi sheme and the collapse of the economy of 2008, big pharma, and the list just keeps going.

But at least we have a 50% chance, what can we get with Hillary? And obvious Berny has no chance so far, they are screwing him so hard is not even funny, the length that the Hillary campaign will go just to smear him and his followers is unreal.

Democrats Claim Bernie Sanders Supporters Are Violent
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: M4tad0r on May 18, 2016, 04:52:12 PM
My point with Donald Trump is what good is to be a Billionaire in a shitty country than a millionaire in a great country. He has the money to be independent. All the other politicians only aspire to be millionaires through crony capitalism. They are worthless parasitic idiots who couldn't cut it in the real World making a hard and honest living. Let that sink in for a moment.

The USA cannot survive on this path at which we are going. We are in a depression already, what do you think is going to happen if these politicians win and keep serving the 1%, and the multinational corporations?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on May 18, 2016, 05:09:42 PM
He is a billionaire who has made deals his entire life.

He IS crony capitalism.

I can not believe people do not see this.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 23, 2016, 12:57:56 PM
Moody's Analytics: Hillary Clinton Will Win Presidency
By Joe Crowe   |    Monday, 23 May 2016

Moody's Analytics has released its election model and is predicting that Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the United States.

Moody's Analytics has correctly predicted the winner of the presidency since 1980, basing its predictions on a two-year change in economic data in home prices, income growth, and gasoline prices, according to an NPR report.

Moody's analyst, Dan White, said that those three things affect a person's daily life the most.

"Things that affect marginal voter behavior most significantly are things that the average American is going to run into on an almost daily basis," White said.

The Moody's analyst told NPR that a decline in gas prices points to a win for the incumbent Democratic Party.

"We are currently in the largest decline in gas prices we've had going back to World War II," White said.

The model predicts that the Democratic nominee, who is likely to be Clinton, will earn 332 electoral votes while presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump will win 206.

Moody's also looked at the approval rating of the incumbent president, measuring a two-year range moving up to election day.

White said Obama's approval rating is key to the economic model's prediction. If the rise in approval ratings holds, Obama could have the highest approval rating since President Ronald Reagan at the end of the Cold War.

"President Obama's approval rating has crossed over the important 50-percent threshold for the first time in almost four years," he said in the analysis.

White added that gasoline prices could rise and Obama's approval rating could fall, but those are the only likely indicators that could shift the prediction to the Republican Party's favor.

The oldest prediction model, created at Yale by economics professor Ray Fair, disagrees. Fair wrote in the Los Angeles Times that, based on economic growth per capita in the four years before an election, "the Democratic nominee will lose — through no fault of her own."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-prediction-election-moodys-analytics/2016/05/23/id/730220/#ixzz49VjABDs
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on May 25, 2016, 09:37:27 AM
Poll: Trump has narrow lead over Clinton in NC
By Lisa Hagen
May 25, 2016
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Donald Trump holds a narrow lead over Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in a general election matchup in North Carolina, a new Public Policy Polling (PPP) survey released Wednesday finds.

The poll found the presumptive GOP nominee leading Clinton by 2 points, 43 percent to 41 percent. That’s an improvement for Trump from a March PPP poll, in which the Democratic front-runner was leading by a few points. An April PPP survey found the likely party nominees tied.

“Hillary Clinton’s position in the Presidential race right now is fine,” Dean Debnam, president of Public Policy Polling, said in a statement. “Expectations of some sort of historical landslide from earlier in the year make it seems like she’s doing poorly now in comparison but the reality is that she’s in a similar position to where Barack Obama ended up in 2012. And he won the Electoral College by a wide margin.”

Although Clinton will likely be the Democratic nominee, the poll also found Sen. Bernie Sanders is leading Trump by 3 points, 43 percent to 40 point.

Trump’s boost in the latest poll comes as he performs better among voters within his own party. In the March survey, Trump had a 63-point lead among Republicans, 73 percent to 10 percent. This has increased to a 76-point lead, 81 percent to 5 percent, in this month’s poll.

The poll was conducted May 20-22 and surveyed 928 registered voters via phone and online. The margin of error was 3.2 points.

In the RealClearPolitics polling average, Clinton is leading Trump by 3.3 points.

North Carolina has been under a microscope as it faces a legal battle over a law that requires people to use public restrooms that correspond to their biological sex at birth.

The Obama administration issued guidance earlier this month to all public school districts in the U.S., telling them to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity. And Attorney General Loretta Lynch is taking legal action against the state, casting the issue as the latest civil rights struggle of the era.

North Carolina officials also filed a lawsuit against the Justice Department, calling its position a “radical reinterpretation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.”

Trump has declined to criticize the Obama administration's directive and said he's always felt it should be left to states to decide on the issue.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/281207-poll-trump-has-narrow-lead-over-clinton-in-nc
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on June 01, 2016, 08:37:24 AM

My Bizarre Dinner Party with Donald Trump, Roy Cohn and Estee Lauder


By Peter Manso

Roy Cohn’s weekend house wasn’t large, maybe two bedrooms, a brown shingle lovely that stood over a burbling brook at the end of a long, wooded driveway in north Greenwich, Connecticut. It had once been the guest house on the John P. Marquand estate and was no more than an hour’s drive from midtown Manhattan, which made its privacy all the more special. From the start I couldn’t shake the idea that the place should have been occupied by a writer or painter, not a lawyer like Cohn. There was even a waterwheel there, which would give off a homey creaking sound whenever the brook surged or ran strong.

The dinner party in question was indeed memorable for its guest list, which included Estee and Joe Lauder, the well-known royals of the cosmetics industry; the widow of Hearst columnist Bob Considine; the Cullen oil fortune’s Baron and Baroness Ricardo “Ricky” di Portanova who’d flown in from Houston in their Lear; and, yes, Donald and first wife Ivana Trump. It was 1981, springtime, and how it was I’d come to be part of this uber-rich, right-wing group is explained by the fact that I’d started interviewing Cohn for Playboy only the day before, and Cohn, always the cultivator of the press ever since his McCarthy years when he’d hooked up with gossip columnist Walter Winchell and reactionary foreign correspondent George Sokolsky, insisted that I come.

Undoubtedly, he wanted me there for his own ends, and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t curious. It was to be a very, very strange evening.

Before we all sat down to eat, drinks were served outside on the deck, newly constructed of two by fours, which is important because one of the evening’s many bizarre moments occurred when Estee Lauder, beluga canape in one hand and champagne flute in the other, let out a loud “Fuck!” as she got one of her three-inch heels caught in the space between the wood planking. Instead of handling things calmly, however, she yanked. She came free, the heel didn’t. Cohn sprang forth, offering a pair of bedroom slippers. Lauder simply kicked off the undamaged shoe to walk around all evening in stockinged feet.

So far I hadn’t engaged, really, hanging back as I usually would do early on in a reporting assignment, but that changed when we all sat down to eat. Cohn had put me beside Trump. Back then he was years away from becoming The Donald, but he was already the boyish-faced real estate mogul, habitué of Le Cirque and staple of Page Six. In the weeks that followed this dinner, I would learn more and more about his unusually close relationship with Cohn—a relationship crucial to understanding each of them.

The two met in 1973 when Trump, then 27, and his father were being sued by the Justice Department for housing discrimination. Cohn counter-attacked, accusing the federal prosecutors of using “Gestapo-like tactics.” Later, Cohn secured for Trump massive tax abatement deals from the city for Trump Tower and even introduced Trump to Roger Stone, Richard Nixon’s dirty trickster who’s currently The Donald’s in and out chief braintruster. Cohn was legally indispensable but socially indispensable, too, introducing Trump to nightclub owners, media heavyweights and underworld figures. And, of course, there were the politicos, which included most of the city’s major elected officials and a handful of New York City judges who were said to be at Cohn’s beck and call 24/7. His win-at-any-cost style, brashness and love for the spotlight made an impact on the younger Trump.

Trump was sitting to my left, Ivana opposite us, beside Cohn, the others seated around the table, and all of them, I gathered, friends for years. Di Portanova (a.k.a. “Ricky the Playboy” if you read the tabs) was a Cohn client as well.

Things got off to a happy start with the perennially tanned Cohn playing toastmaster: There was a toast to Ronald Reagan, the still very new president, and another to Alfonse D’Amato, the rookie senator from New York. Then Cohn introduced me as “the Playboy man in our midst,” which obliged me to rise and take a bow. When he finally sat down, the food was served by two of Cohn’s office boys who, I’d already heard through the grapevine, were, as a group, Cohn’s lovers; one of whom our genial host openly addressed as “Saboo.” Why Saboo? Because, as I later found out from Roy himself, the dark skinned Filipino fit “the profile.”

Was Cohn a racist? Of course. Roy Cohn was an anti-Semite, a homophobe, a woman hater and of course an anti-Communist. He harbored a bundle of thinly concealed prejudices that he’d trot out whenever one or more of them worked for him, whenever they were useful. What else is new?

Now, as Saboo placed my salad plate in front of me he came within a hair’s breadth of dumping Trump’s salad, which had been balanced in the crook of the server’s arm, in the developer’s lap. The Donald reacted swiftly, pushing himself away from the table. Saboo nodded an apology and quickly moved on.

Back in his seat, The Donald rolled his eyes. “That’s all I need, right?”

“But, tell me,” he went on, “Roy says you live on the Cape, and that you’re writing a book about Norman Mailer.”

“Correct.”

“Norman’s smart but a little crazy, right?”

I nodded, trying to come up with a serviceable answer to this surpassingly dull question but before I could do so, Trump went on: “Playboy’s called me about doing the interview with them. Should I do it, you think?”

He was looking at me with a kind of hauteur, the way big guys often look at small guys which is what I am—a small guy—and I nodded.

“As a rule they’re very thorough,” I said, referring to Playboy’s interviewers. “The magazine gives its writers as much time as they need and they don’t nickel and dime you on expenses.”

“How much time would it take, do you think?”

I explained that it varies from one subject to the next. He nodded back, not quite looking at me. His hair wasn’t as sculpted as it is now but the balding was obvious, as were his moves to hide it.

We did chitchat for a couple of minutes more, filling the space. At one point, Ivana asked where on Cape Cod I lived. The salad gave way to the main course, which had been brought in from a local restaurant then reheated—it was a pasta and lobster mélange, expensive, but hardly Chez Panisse—and then, out of nowhere, The Donald resumed, saying ever so brightly, “Hey, here’s an idea. I want the hippest, the brightest people living there. You’d fit right in.”

I looked at him quizzically. “’There?’”

Then he did it, I kid you not. He tried to sell me a condo.

“Trump Towers, which is gonna be just spectacular.”

“Huh?”

Was he joking? I let him go on.

“Bruce Willis is signing up, all kinds of people. People in the arts, political figures. You’d fit right in.”

I grinned. Years before I’d learned that the proper response to rich people who don’t, or won’t, appreciate that your situation isn’t the same as theirs is to explode the fiction right off since there’s always the possibility that what they’re doing stems not from ignorance so much as they’re trying to make you feel small and uncomfortable. It’s a form of bullying.

It’s also crass. Here Trump was at his pal lawyer’s dinner table in this lovely house, sitting with at least two other couples who could have bought and sold him several times over yet he’s desperately vying for top-dog status, flexing muscle by trying to sell a free-lance writer real estate. It was the same smarmy narcissism that you find in used car salesmen and which, plainly, these past 35 years has fueled Trump’s biz dealings, his TV forays, his penchant for compliant blonds and, now, his quest for the presidency.

Anything and everything becomes an excuse for stepping on-stage, positioning himself for the close-up. That was the man’s core, the need for the close-up—never mind the unfeasibility of building walls along the Mexican border or the impossibility of kicking out all Muslims, or for that matter, successfully selling me a condo. The real thing here was being up on-stage, which is what I am afraid is what underlies, to a degree we have never before seen in a candidate, his quest for the White House.

But to come back.

I explained that I didn’t have the money to buy a Trump Towers condo, hoping to put an end to this nonsense. He nodded as if he already knew that.

“We’ll work it out, no problem,” he countered, waving his hand dismissively. “We’ve ordered Breccia Pernice which is this rare pink, white-veined marble for the lobby,” he said. “It’s gorgeous stuff. And there’s going to be an atrium with a waterfall. Cafes. Even a pedestrian bridge.”

This was of course the salesman in The Donald, son of Fred Trump. Once past the pedestrian bridge, he went on, enumerating how the building’s block-long arcade was going to have a Gucci boutique, all kinds of merchandise kiosks and a number of fine restaurants. When he got through his list he added, “You’d never have to leave the building. Say you were on-deadline, the weather’s lousy—“

“Donald,” I interrupted, using his given name for the first time, “do you have any idea what Playboy pays me for one of these interviews? Fifteen grand, plus expenses. And these pieces take two months. I’m not Bruce Willis, not some Arab sheikh. So enough, huh?”

He stopped himself in a way that wasn’t a stop since he pulled a business card out of the breast pocket of his blazer that he placed on the table between us—not in front of me but to the side a somewhat, as if, to say, If you want it you’re going to have to reach a little.

“Think about it. You call me, we’ll have lunch.”

Then he got up, excusing himself as he went off to the john.

***

My Cohn profile was published and I saw Roy, whose wit and seemingly unlimited capacity for evil came to fascinate me, a number of times before he died in 1986 after contracting AIDS and his relationship with Trump, reportedly, soured.

In the meantime, Trump’s public profile grew. He completed Trump Towers to great public fanfare and finished up the stalled Wollman Rink renovation in Central Park that allowed him to thumb his nose at archenemy Ed Koch. He acquired what became the Trump Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City, put up what seemed like an uncountable number of new structures including the 72-story Trump World Tower and Trump Place on the Hudson. He created a string of golf courses here and abroad, just as he produced a run of ghost-written best-sellers with huckster titles like The Art of the Deal and How to Get Rich, “branded” an assortment of consumer products including steaks, vodka, a cologne and a line of men’s fashions and bought up several beauty contests. But he also got himself sued for $40 million for allegedly swindling thousands of subscribers to his Trump University business course, just as he was forced to declare four Chapter 11 bankruptcies between 1991 and 2009 in connection with his casinos and resorts.

He bounced back, however, like the Icarus who wouldn’t die. His grandiosity, narcissism and competitiveness all allowed him to become The Donald—always on-stage, always recreating the world in his own self-image.

***

I was to see Trump one more time, about three years ago when I went to his office to interview him in connection with a book I was thinking of writing. He was behind his desk, pictures of himself famously covering the walls, and as soon as I sat down he slid two or three sheets of paper at me. They were the first and several of the last pages of his corporate tax return. “Look at the last page,” he said.

There, at the bottom of the page was a figure of many, many zeroes that took me a moment or two to assimilate—7 billion and a fraction, which represented the developer’s (purported) book net worth, here listed in connection with his deductions and depreciations. I was supposed to be impressed. But this time, unlike when he had tried to sell me a condo, I laughed.

I passed the sheets back across to him. It was the same deal, the same showing off.

“This is a joke,” I said, chuckling, “I can’t relate to this, and frankly, I don’t know anyone who could.”

Peter Manso is the author of the standard bios of Norman Mailer and Marlon Brando. He lives in Berkeley and on Cape Cod.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: dr.chimps on June 01, 2016, 08:54:24 AM
This Dos Equis. What a cut-and-paste warrior. Not a single, original (political) thought in his his head. Just a bot.  ::)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 01, 2016, 10:22:15 AM
This Dos Equis. What a cut-and-paste warrior. Not a single, original (political) thought in his his head. Just a bot.  ::)

 :)

Poll: 71 percent of Dems think Clinton should keep running even if indicted
Published June 01, 2016 
FoxNews.com

A strong majority of Democratic voters think Hillary Clinton should keep running for president even if she is charged with a felony in connection with her private email use while secretary of state, according to a new poll.

Clinton was strongly criticized in a State Department inspector general report last week about her email use.

The report found repeated warnings about cybersecurity were ignored and staffers who expressed concerns were told “never to speak of the Secretary’s personal email system again.”

Yet, this seems not to be a big issue among Democrats. The Rasmussen poll released Tuesday found 71 percent of Democratic voters believe she should keep running even if indicted, a view shared by only 30 percent of Republicans and 46 percent of unaffiliated voters. Overall, 50 percent of those polled said she should keep running.

The FBI investigation into her email practices is still ongoing. Democratic primary rival Bernie Sanders has avoided commenting specifically on that probe, but campaign manager Jeff Weaver on Wednesday questioned whether she could keep going if an indictment comes down.

"That would be difficult to continue running a race," Weaver told Fox News on Wednesday, when asked about the poll.

The email scandal could still be problematic for Clinton's general election hopes, with 40 percent of all voters saying they are less likely to vote for Clinton because of it -- though 48 percent of voters said it would have no impact on their vote.

The Democratic primary frontrunner’s argument that she did nothing illegal with her email use is also apparently failing to sway many voters. According to the poll, 65 percent of voters consider it likely that Clinton broke the law with her email use, with 47 percent saying it’s very likely.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters was conducted May 29-30. It had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/01/poll-71-percent-dems-think-clinton-should-keep-running-even-if-indicted.html?intcmp=hpbt2
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: dr.chimps on June 01, 2016, 11:51:38 AM
:)

Poll: 71 percent of Dems think Clinton should keep running even if indicted
Published June 01, 2016 
FoxNews.com

A strong majority of Democratic voters think Hillary Clinton should keep running for president even if she is charged with a felony in connection with her private email use while secretary of state, according to a new poll.

Clinton was strongly criticized in a State Department inspector general report last week about her email use.

The report found repeated warnings about cybersecurity were ignored and staffers who expressed concerns were told “never to speak of the Secretary’s personal email system again.”

Yet, this seems not to be a big issue among Democrats. The Rasmussen poll released Tuesday found 71 percent of Democratic voters believe she should keep running even if indicted, a view shared by only 30 percent of Republicans and 46 percent of unaffiliated voters. Overall, 50 percent of those polled said she should keep running.

The FBI investigation into her email practices is still ongoing. Democratic primary rival Bernie Sanders has avoided commenting specifically on that probe, but campaign manager Jeff Weaver on Wednesday questioned whether she could keep going if an indictment comes down.

"That would be difficult to continue running a race," Weaver told Fox News on Wednesday, when asked about the poll.

The email scandal could still be problematic for Clinton's general election hopes, with 40 percent of all voters saying they are less likely to vote for Clinton because of it -- though 48 percent of voters said it would have no impact on their vote.

The Democratic primary frontrunner’s argument that she did nothing illegal with her email use is also apparently failing to sway many voters. According to the poll, 65 percent of voters consider it likely that Clinton broke the law with her email use, with 47 percent saying it’s very likely.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters was conducted May 29-30. It had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/01/poll-71-percent-dems-think-clinton-should-keep-running-even-if-indicted.html?intcmp=hpbt2
Yeah. Kinda funny, moron. Kinda funny.  ::)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 01, 2016, 11:55:35 AM
That is pretty ridiculous.

If she's actually indicted, she should drop out. It's stupid for her to stay in.

Trump will just keep calling her "crooked Hillary" and have an indictment to show as proof.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 01, 2016, 12:24:30 PM
Yeah. Kinda funny, moron. Kinda funny.  ::)

Romney Supports David French for Third-Party Run
By Jeffrey Rodack   |    Wednesday, 01 Jun 2016

Mitt Romney has opened the door to supporting attorney David French, should he decide to take up the call for a third-party bid for president.

Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee, announced on Twitter Tuesday that French, a National Review columnist, was "honorable, intelligent and patriotic," according to a report in the Washington Examiner.

Romney's tweet:

 Mitt Romney
✔  ‎‎@MittRomney 
I know David French to be an honorable, intelligent and patriotic person. I look forward to following what he has to say.


French, who has been outspoken against presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump, has yet to decide whether he will mount a third-party challenge, the Examiner reported. But there are increasing calls from some conservative elements in the Republican Party for a serious third-party effort to block Trump.

French did tweet out a message to his supporters shortly after Romney seemed supportive to the idea, according to the Examiner.

David French  ‎‎@DavidAFrench 
I'm incredibly humbled by and grateful for the many expressions of support -- thank you.


Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, is pushing for a serious third-party candidate to block Trump and raised the idea of a French candidacy.

"To say that he would be a better and a more responsible president than Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is to state a truth that would become self-evident as more Americans got to know him," Krisol said in a Weekly Standard column.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Romney-Supports-David-French-Third-Party/2016/06/01/id/731697/#ixzz4AMDU7GLC
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 01, 2016, 12:25:18 PM
That is pretty ridiculous.

If she's actually indicted, she should drop out. It's stupid for her to stay in.

Trump will just keep calling her "crooked Hillary" and have an indictment to show as proof.



She's probably still the favorite even if she is indicted. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 01, 2016, 12:29:46 PM
She's probably still the favorite even if she is indicted. 

I can't imagine... Insanity.

Democrats support their person just like Republicans do. It's not like Trump doesn't have his own legal issues right now either.

Not criminal of course, but not necessarily any better to be honest.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 01, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
I can't imagine... Insanity.

Democrats support their person just like Republicans do. It's not like Trump doesn't have his own legal issues right now either.

Not criminal of course, but not necessarily any better to be honest.

It is crazy.  Trump wasn't too far off when he joked about not losing support even if he shot someone. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 01, 2016, 05:38:09 PM
It is crazy.  Trump wasn't too far off when he joked about not losing support even if he shot someone. 

most trump supporters don't reach their position through logic or reason.

it's emotion (fear or anger), resentment (vote against establishment), or ignorance (unaware of his lack of knowledge and dangerous statements thus far). 

He's just too erratic, period.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 03, 2016, 09:51:13 AM
most trump supporters don't reach their position through logic or reason.

it's emotion (fear or anger), resentment (vote against establishment), or ignorance (unaware of his lack of knowledge and dangerous statements thus far). 

He's just too erratic, period.

 ::)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 03, 2016, 09:52:41 AM
Speaker Ryan: 'I'll be Voting For' Trump
Thursday, 02 Jun 2016

House Speaker Paul Ryan endorsed Donald Trump on Thursday, ending an extraordinary public split between the GOP's presumptive presidential nominee and the nation's highest-ranking Republican office holder.

"I had friends wishing I wouldn't support him. I had friends wishing I would," Ryan said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press. "I really didn't feel any pressure, other than my goal is to make sure that were unified so that we're at full strength in the fall so we can win the election."

The Wisconsin Republican acknowledged he continues to have concerns Trump's combative style.

"It is my hope the campaign improves its tone as we go forward and it's all a campaign we can be proud of," Ryan said.

Ryan said the endorsement is not the product of any deal with the billionaire developer. Trump won his endorsement, Ryan said, based on "an understanding of our mutually agreed upon principles." Ryan said he specifically wanted to go over Trump's approach to executive power, judicial appointments, and his position on abortion.

"Those conversations took some time," Ryan said.

"I feel much more comfortable that he's in the same page with us. Most importantly, it is obvious that Hillary Clinton is not," Ryan said.

Ryan ended a weeks-long standoff with Trump minutes before the interview by outlining his support for the New York billionaire in a column published in his hometown newspaper.

Ryan's announcement marks a significant shift for a GOP desperately trying to come together ahead of a general election matchup against likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. Some of the Republican Party's best known leaders have vowed not to support Trump, including 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who tapped Ryan as his running mate.

Special: Controversial "Genius Drug" Used by Rich People
The day before Ryan's announcement, Romney signaled support for a possible third-party candidate instead of the presumptive Republican nominee.

Ryan shocked the political world last month by refusing to endorse Trump once the real estate mogul became the last major Republican presidential contender still in the race. The pair spoke privately in a series of Washington meetings last month and their campaigns have maintained contact.

Yet as the GOP's so-called "Never Trump" movement struggled to identify a viable alternative, many believed it was only a matter of time before Ryan fell in line.

"It was basically getting a comfort level of our idea about where the country is headed and where it ought to go," Ryan told AP. "It's more of an understanding of each other and these principles and policies."

Ryan has embraced reforms to Medicare and Social Security as his signature policy fight on Capitol Hill. Most Republicans in Congress have followed Ryan's lead to reduce the cost of the popular programs that are contributing to the national debt.

Trump has repeatedly promised not to cut the popular programs, echoing a position more commonly adopted by Democrats.

"It's no secret that he and I have our differences. I won't pretend otherwise," Ryan wrote in a column in the Janesville Gazette. "And when I feel the need to, I'll continue to speak my mind."

Ryan's announcement was released as Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton was delivering a foreign policy speech excoriating Trump's approach.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/paul-ryan-endorses-trump/2016/06/02/id/732043/#ixzz4AXII2ell
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 03, 2016, 09:55:55 AM
This is our next president?  What an embarrassment. 

Trump: Judge in Trump U Case Is Mexican, Has 'Absolute Conflict'
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=28108595-163a-4807-9510-7e74c930a687&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: Trump: Judge in Trump U Case Is Mexican, Has 'Absolute Conflict' (Photo by Elijah Nouvelage/Getty Images)
By Jason Devaney   |   Thursday, 02 Jun 2016

Donald Trump has stepped up his attacks on the judge presiding over the Trump University class action lawsuit, saying Thursday his "Mexican heritage" should preclude him from working the case.

U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel has "an absolute conflict" in the case because of his "Mexican heritage" and his membership in a Latino lawyers association, reports The Wall Street Journal.

"I'm building a wall. It's an inherent conflict of interest," Trump said.

Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, also accused Curiel of being an ex-colleague and friend of a lawyer representing one of the plaintiffs in the civil case.

"Neither Judge Curiel's ethnicity nor the fact that we crossed paths as prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney's Office well over a decade ago is to blame" for Trump's remarks, said the attorney, Jason Forge.

Curiel would not comment, but his brother told the Journal, "He's taking it pretty much in stride."

With the Trump University case making headlines, Trump has been critical of the case and the judge. He called him a "hater of Donald Trump" this week.

Last Friday, Trump said Curiel "happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that's fine."

On Thursday, Trump used Twitter to blast the case.

Donald J. Trump  ✔@realDonaldTrump
Even though I have a very biased and unfair judge in the Trump U civil case in San Diego, I have thousands of great reviews & will win case!
6:54 AM - 2 Jun 2016

Donald J. Trump  ✔@realDonaldTrump
After the litigation is disposed of and the case won, I have instructed my execs to open Trump U(?), so much interest in it! I will be pres.
7:02 AM - 2 Jun 2016

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/donald-trump-trump-university-mexican-judge/2016/06/02/id/732058/#ixzz4AXIvXutH
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 03, 2016, 10:11:45 AM
How can he President of Trump U and the USA?

Did he mean he will be President of only the US?

Odd, stupid, tweets.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 03, 2016, 10:23:38 AM
How can he President of Trump U and the USA?

Did he mean he will be President of only the US?

Odd, stupid, tweets.

Just being his typical incoherent self. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 03, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
I'm so sick of this asshole tossing this election away to that rotten disgusting communist criminal lying bitch

This is our next president?  What an embarrassment. 

Trump: Judge in Trump U Case Is Mexican, Has 'Absolute Conflict'
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=28108595-163a-4807-9510-7e74c930a687&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: Trump: Judge in Trump U Case Is Mexican, Has 'Absolute Conflict' (Photo by Elijah Nouvelage/Getty Images)
By Jason Devaney   |   Thursday, 02 Jun 2016

Donald Trump has stepped up his attacks on the judge presiding over the Trump University class action lawsuit, saying Thursday his "Mexican heritage" should preclude him from working the case.

U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel has "an absolute conflict" in the case because of his "Mexican heritage" and his membership in a Latino lawyers association, reports The Wall Street Journal.

"I'm building a wall. It's an inherent conflict of interest," Trump said.

Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, also accused Curiel of being an ex-colleague and friend of a lawyer representing one of the plaintiffs in the civil case.

"Neither Judge Curiel's ethnicity nor the fact that we crossed paths as prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney's Office well over a decade ago is to blame" for Trump's remarks, said the attorney, Jason Forge.

Curiel would not comment, but his brother told the Journal, "He's taking it pretty much in stride."

With the Trump University case making headlines, Trump has been critical of the case and the judge. He called him a "hater of Donald Trump" this week.

Last Friday, Trump said Curiel "happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that's fine."

On Thursday, Trump used Twitter to blast the case.

Donald J. Trump  ✔@realDonaldTrump
Even though I have a very biased and unfair judge in the Trump U civil case in San Diego, I have thousands of great reviews & will win case!
6:54 AM - 2 Jun 2016

Donald J. Trump  ✔@realDonaldTrump
After the litigation is disposed of and the case won, I have instructed my execs to open Trump U(?), so much interest in it! I will be pres.
7:02 AM - 2 Jun 2016

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/donald-trump-trump-university-mexican-judge/2016/06/02/id/732058/#ixzz4AXIvXutH
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 03, 2016, 10:38:21 AM
I'm so sick of this asshole tossing this election away to that rotten disgusting communist criminal lying bitch


exactly.   "The judge cannot be unbiased because he's mexican".  

Either trump is throwing this election, or he's emotionally unstable, immature, idiotic and just plain out-of-it.   He lacks the sense to realize you just can't say things like this.  Wait til he's president, saying things like this about foreign leaders.

The judge was born in the USA and prosecuted many mexican drug smugglers.  Absurd from trump.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 03, 2016, 11:13:32 AM
I'm so sick of this asshole tossing this election away to that rotten disgusting communist criminal lying bitch


This is very true.

Seriously, he can't possibly think he would actually win a majority of the US people with this type of discussion. It does lend some credibility that he never really ran to "win" in the first place.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 03, 2016, 12:15:27 PM
This is very true.

Seriously, he can't possibly think he would actually win a majority of the US people with this type of discussion. It does lend some credibility that he never really ran to "win" in the first place.



He can win.  You can pretty much throw logic out the window.  There is no logical way a man like Trump could say the things he has said, acted the way he did, not spend much of anything during the primaries and caucuses, not spend time on the ground in most places, and become the Republican nominee.  But it happened.  We are in the middle of some unprecedented craziness.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 03, 2016, 12:24:21 PM
He can win.  You can pretty much throw logic out the window.  There is no logical way a man like Trump could say the things he has said, acted the way he did, not spend much of anything during the primaries and caucuses, not spend time on the ground in most places, and become the Republican nominee.  But it happened.  We are in the middle of some unprecedented craziness.   

2016 is no-man's land.   A 3rd party somebody could swoop in.   Trump or Hilary could be ousted.   This is an odd year, nothing can be assumed.   This talk of "it's all trump vs hilary now" is premature.  She's facing indictment and he is going out of his way to just appear crazier by the day.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 06, 2016, 01:30:25 PM
I feel his pain.

Sasse is Resolute: No Hillary, no Trump
DON WALTON Lincoln Journal Star

Unyielding in his determination to oppose Donald Trump, his party's presumptive presidential nominee, Sen. Ben Sasse said Sunday he expects to cast a presidential vote in November, but not for Trump or likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

Sasse said he and his wife, Melissa, have "decided to sit down in October and deliberate, pray and think" before they determine how to cast their presidential ballots.

Asked whether he would consider a vote for Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson, Sasse said he "hadn't really looked closely at it yet."

But, he said, "the Libertarian Party is something I would certainly consider in the long term."

Sasse spoke during a brief interview outside Kimball Hall on the University of Nebraska-Lincoln campus following an address to about 400 high school juniors at the opening session of this year's Boys State.

Nebraskans who have visited with him at a flurry of events during the current Senate recess overwhelmingly agree with his deep concerns about Trump, the senator said.

"People, perhaps 10 to 1, are saying thanks for saying what we believe," he said.

"But definitely there are some frustrated people who say they are anti-Clinton" and argue that is reason enough to support Trump, the senator said.

Sasse is the only Republican senator who has declared his opposition to his party's presidential nominee. Nebraska's first-term senator began campaigning against Trump in Iowa at the beginning of this year's series of presidential caucuses and primaries in an effort to derail him from reaching for the GOP nomination.

Although Sasse focused on big-picture issues like national security, foreign policy and the changing economy during an address that launched this year's session of Boys State, the first question he encountered from a Boys Stater centered on his opposition to Trump.

"That was the question I was most trying to avoid," Sasse told him with a smile.

Sasse reminded the youths that he is one of the most conservative members of the Senate, a constitutional conservative and "happily a member of the party of Abraham Lincoln."

But the presidential choice for Americans in November will be between "the two most unpopular nominees" in polling history, he said.

"Both sides are not doing a very good job of explaining what they are for," he said. Both are engaged in "creative destruction," he said.

Sasse said that among the vast changes that lie ahead for today's high school students is the possibility of a reordering of the traditional two-party system.

"Don't be so sure the two-party political system continues long-term," he said.

"Both parties are exhausted," he said. "They probably don't have the big ideas for the change that is coming."

http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/federal-politics/sasse-considers-libertarian-presidential-vote/article_f465a94c-cdef-595d-af42-31216db55ad2.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 08, 2016, 12:49:35 PM
It's all over but the crying.  Trump vs. Hillary. 

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 08, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
It's all over but the crying.  Trump vs. Hillary. 

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california

Dude, repubs are really sick of Trump - he's sinking his own campaign.

They may just boot him at the convention.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 08, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
It's all over but the crying.  Trump vs. Hillary.  

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california

What a disaster
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 08, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
What a disaster

it's not over yet.

Hilary could be indicted any time.   Trump could be ousted by his own party at any time.

Trump is likely 1/2 a BILLION behind Hilary in fundraising.  His own team says he's not filling holes and baffling them by almost purposefully under-achieving.   More and more repubs are talking about just plain choosing someone else at the convention. 

We could be looking at Biden/Warren vs Ryan/Rubio for all we know.  2016 is a year like none other.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 08, 2016, 04:35:45 PM
What a disaster

Of epic proportions.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 09, 2016, 12:36:30 PM
How can Obama endorse Hillary when her FBI criminal investigation is still ongoing, and Obama's Justice Department might have to decide on whether or not to pursue charges against Hillary? 

Obama endorses Clinton for president, on heels of Sanders meeting
Published June 09, 2016
FoxNews.com

President Obama formally endorsed Hillary Clinton to succeed him in the White House Thursday, saying she has the "courage" for the job and vowing to hit the campaign trail for her soon -- in a video message posted just moments after meeting with her primary rival Bernie Sanders.

"I know how hard this job can be. That’s why I know Hillary will be so good at it," the president said, in the video posted on Clinton's campaign site. "In fact, I don’t think there’s ever been someone so qualified to hold this office."

The president made clear he would no longer stand on the sidelines, even as Vermont Sen. Sanders vows to stick out the race at least through the final primary in Washington, D.C., next Tuesday.

The Clinton campaign separately announced that she and Obama would campaign together June 15 in Green Bay. Clinton tweeted that she's "fired up."

  Hillary Clinton
✔  ‎@HillaryClinton 
Honored to have you with me, @POTUS. I'm fired up and ready to go! -H
7:56 AM - 9 Jun 2016
 
Presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump immediately fired back.

  Donald J. Trump
✔  ‎@realDonaldTrump 
Obama just endorsed Crooked Hillary. He wants four more years of Obama—but nobody else does!
8:22 AM - 9 Jun 2016
 
The video was released shortly after Obama met in the Oval Office with Sanders.

Sanders afterward struck a conciliatory tone Thursday, saying he plans to meet soon with Clinton to discuss how they can “work together to defeat Donald Trump.”

The Vermont senator said he still plans to compete in next Tuesday’s Washington, D.C., primary, the final contest on the calendar. And he said he plans to take his message “to the Democratic National Convention” in July.

He did not, however, say specifically whether he would still be an active candidate by then, taking no questions from the press before heading over to a meeting with Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid.

The meeting with Obama was private. They met for over an hour, and Fox News is told no staff or aides were present.

But his tone, compared with his defiant speech early Wednesday after Clinton clinched the Democratic nomination, appeared to soften. 

While offering no endorsement himself, Sanders said he spoke with Clinton and congratulated her “on her very strong campaign.”

And Sanders thanked Obama for his “impartiality” throughout the process. He said he and Vice President Biden lived up to their pledge not to put their “thumb on the scales.”

Clinton and Obama, along with other party leaders, are eager to bring Sanders – and his supporters – into the fold.

The president's endorsement reflects their desire to unify as the general election battle between Clinton and presumptive rival Trump intensifies.

Sanders acknowledged a common political enemy, railing against Trump in his brief remarks to reporters Thursday afternoon and saying he’ll do everything in his power to prevent Trump’s election.

As for what he wants, Sanders said he’ll continue to fight what he called the “drift” toward an oligarchic society. He lamented childhood poverty rates, crushing college debt, crumbling infrastructure and other woes and said these are the issues he’ll bring to the Philadelphia convention.

Whether that means a fight to overhaul the party platform – or a last-ditch bid to somehow deny Clinton the nomination – remains to be seen.

One demand Sanders was thought to be considering – as part of a party-unity deal -- is the removal of Democratic boss Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Sanders and the DNC chairwoman have been at odds for months, with Sanders’ team long accusing her of helping now-presumptive nominee Clinton.

Whether Sanders sought – and the president would even consider – a Schultz sacrifice is unclear.

“I don’t see how she makes it through the convention,” one Democratic lawmaker told Fox News. “The key to Hillary winning is getting Sanders supporters on board.”

Speculation over Wasserman Schultz’ position has swirled for months, however, and so far she has retained the public support of the White House. Obama also endorsed her earlier this year in her House primary battle.

Asked Wednesday about the possibility of Sanders seeking her removal, Wasserman Schultz said she’s not worried about her job.

“I'm going to be remaining as the chair of the Democratic National Committee as President Obama has asked me to do until January 21, 2017, and I appreciate the president’s support,” she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/09/obama-endorses-clinton-for-president-on-heels-sanders-meeting.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 10, 2016, 01:36:32 PM
Pocahontas as VP?  No thank you.

Warren met with Clinton this morning, fueling VP speculation
By James Hohmann June 10, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/06/10/warren-to-meet-with-clinton-this-morning-fueling-vp-speculation/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 10, 2016, 11:18:38 PM
Pocahontas as VP?  No thank you.

hilary woudl do better with a young male face on the ticket, maybe a hispanic.

BUT the base loves her.   and she's campaigning for that veep slot.  I wonder if she lessens hilary negatives.  Would like to see a poll "Does pochahantas on the ticket as VP improve your approval of hilary?"
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 10, 2016, 11:20:03 PM
Hillary picking another female would be a political disaster.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 10, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
Hillary picking another female would be a political disaster.

normally, correct.   warren, though, is like a less crazy versoin of bernie sanders.  she MIGHT bring 2 or 3% more dems out to vote, might be all the difference.

She's probably the ONLY vp that'd get asses out of seats.  The base loves her.  The biggest thing the repubs have on her is that she lied on an application to receive indian version of affirmative action benefits, 50 years ago.   She screwed over a system they continually bitch about - THAT is their biggest beef with her. 

A high school application where she punked a system that favored minorities - she bilked the system that conservatives hate - THAT is their biggest beef.   

Obama spent 20 years in a racist jerk, anti-patriotic church.   She lied on an application to fight affirmative action.   LOL repubs, really?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 14, 2016, 10:55:26 AM
Hillary picking another female would be a political disaster.

Not really.  People typically vote the top of the ticket.  We always talk about how important a VP pick is, but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter that much.  Bush Sr. pick Quayle, who could never be elected president.  Dubya picked Cheney, who couldn't sniff the presidency on his own and wasn't very well liked.  Obama picked Biden, who Democrats repeatedly rejected. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 14, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
Reuters Poll: Clinton Leads Trump by 11 Points
Friday, 10 Jun 2016

Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 11 points in the U.S. presidential race, showing little change after she became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee this week, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Friday.

The online poll, conducted from Monday to Friday, shows 46 percent of likely voters support Clinton while 34.8 percent back Trump. Another 19.2 percent support neither candidate. Their parties hold conventions in July ahead of a Nov. 8 election.

Clinton's lead was nearly the same a week ago, before she had amassed enough convention delegates to win the nomination and before Trump drew criticism from leaders of both parties for questioning the impartiality of a Mexican-American judge.

Trump, 69, enjoyed a bigger boost after becoming the presumptive Republican nominee in May. Having trailed Clinton, 68, for most of the year, Trump briefly erased a double-digit gap and pulled about even with the former secretary of state.

Clinton this week defeated party rival Bernie Sanders, 74, in four of six nominating contests, most notably California and New Jersey, and won the endorsements of President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and other party leaders.

Trump this week sparred with party leaders and struggled with questions about his now-defunct Trump University. A lawsuit accuses Trump and the for-profit school of defrauding thousands of people, including many who paid as much as $35,000 to learn Trump's real estate strategies.

A wealthy businessman who asserts the lawsuit is politically motivated, Trump said presiding U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel was biased against him because of Trump's plans to build a wall on the border with Mexico. Trump later added that Muslim judges could be biased against him also because of his pledge to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the country.

Trump's comments drew sharp criticism from Republican leaders, including House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Trump later said he would no longer talk about the judge.

Friday's results had 1,276 respondents and a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of 3.2 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/reuters-poll-clinton-leads/2016/06/10/id/733361/#ixzz4BZreTxof
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on June 14, 2016, 01:31:28 PM
It's all over but the crying.  Trump vs. Hillary. 

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california

You do realize Hillary is not the only democrat running for President, while Trump is pretty much the only choice the republicans have at this point. Bernie Sanders pulled a fair number of Northern California votes. He won't win the democratic nomination. Most of his votes will go to Clinton in the general election.

Recent poles indicate Trump's support is slipping this past week or so. He's down 10 points. Clinton's support is on the rise. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 14, 2016, 01:32:41 PM
Recent poles indicate Trump's support is slipping this past week or so. He's down 10 points. Clinton's support is on the rise. 

Mccain led obama twice - once when he became the presumptive nominee, and once when he chose Word Salad as his veep.

Ten days later, both times, it was back to the shitter.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on June 14, 2016, 01:34:22 PM
it's not over yet.

Hilary could be indicted any time.   Trump could be ousted by his own party at any time.

Trump is likely 1/2 a BILLION behind Hilary in fundraising.  His own team says he's not filling holes and baffling them by almost purposefully under-achieving.   More and more repubs are talking about just plain choosing someone else at the convention. 

We could be looking at Biden/Warren vs Ryan/Rubio for all we know.  2016 is a year like none other.

I don't know about you, but I have paid more attention to this Presidential primary than any before. Like you suggest, nothing is a done deal yet. The next 5 months should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on June 14, 2016, 01:37:34 PM
Mccain led obama twice - once when he became the presumptive nominee, and once when he chose Word Salad as his veep.

Ten days later, both times, it was back to the shitter.

The media is eating this election up. Whenever there is even a hint of a change, they're all over it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 14, 2016, 01:38:48 PM
I don't know about you, but I have paid more attention to this Presidential primary than any before. Like you suggest, nothing is a done deal yet. The next 5 months should be very interesting.

imagine if russia releases some emails showing "Let's just let them take the embassy..." or some other silly shit like that.   She'll be toast.

imagine if the repubs wake up, regain their common sense, and realize Trump is a complete jackass, sabotaging his own campaign, 1/2 a billion behind hilary... and they recruit Bloomberg or Ryan or, I dunno, some monster name... shit, Ben Affleck or Tom Brady lol......  some other name to just smack everyone.

Imagine if the libertarian (at 23% in one poll before a single debate) just looks like the only grownup on stage.   It could happen.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 14, 2016, 01:46:03 PM
You do realize Hillary is not the only democrat running for President, while Trump is pretty much the only choice the republicans have at this point. Bernie Sanders pulled a fair number of Northern California votes. He won't win the democratic nomination. Most of his votes will go to Clinton in the general election.

Recent poles indicate Trump's support is slipping this past week or so. He's down 10 points. Clinton's support is on the rise. 

Hillary has always been essentially the only person running for the Democrat nomination.  The other three were smart enough to drop out early when they realized the fix was in and she had already been coronated.  Sanders had nothing more than a symbolic run.  Hillary was crowned before she even formally announced she was running. 

Trump, on the other hand, beat 16 other Republican candidates.  It was an actual race.  He had enormous advantages with the billions in free media coverage, but he it was an actual competition.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on June 14, 2016, 02:02:48 PM
Hillary has always been essentially the only person running for the Democrat nomination.  The other three were smart enough to drop out early when they realized the fix was in and she had already been coronated.  Sanders had nothing more than a symbolic run.  Hillary was crowned before she even formally announced she was running. 

Trump, on the other hand, beat 16 other Republican candidates.  It was an actual race.  He had enormous advantages with the billions in free media coverage, but he it was an actual competition.   

Bravo for Trump. He's a (dirty) fighter for sure, but I doubt he will be our next President. As for the media, it is said that any media coverage is better than no media coverage, even when it's negative. Trump's shenanigans have kept him at the forefront. I have a sense though that folks are getting tired of him. I could be dead wrong, but that's what I feel.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 14, 2016, 02:10:21 PM
Bravo for Trump. He's a (dirty) fighter for sure, but I doubt he will be our next President. As for the media, it is said that any media coverage is better than no media coverage, even when it's negative. Trump's shenanigans have kept him at the forefront. I have a sense though that folks are getting tired of him. I could be dead wrong, but that's what I feel.

The media has been holding a lot of "bad" info on Trump, because they wanted him to be the nominee.  They believe he is easy to beat.  I think they're wrong.  We've all been wrong about Trump.  Something very different is happening.  People just don't give a rip about all of the bad things Trump brings to the table.  They are angry.  Fed up with the folks in DC. 

In addition to that, Hillary is horrible.  Take a look at her negatives.  Just as bad as Trump's negatives.  She is incredibly unlikeable and untrustworthy.  Have you seen her integrity poll numbers? 

I once thought Trump had no chance to be the nominee and, even if he won, would get killed in November.  I don't believe that anymore. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on June 14, 2016, 03:02:27 PM
The media has been holding a lot of "bad" info on Trump, because they wanted him to be the nominee.  They believe he is easy to beat.  I think they're wrong.  We've all been wrong about Trump.  Something very different is happening.  People just don't give a rip about all of the bad things Trump brings to the table.  They are angry.  Fed up with the folks in DC. 

In addition to that, Hillary is horrible.  Take a look at her negatives.  Just as bad as Trump's negatives.  She is incredibly unlikeable and untrustworthy.  Have you seen her integrity poll numbers? 

I once thought Trump had no chance to be the nominee and, even if he won, would get killed in November.  I don't believe that anymore. 

I'll give you that our Presidential options in this election are few if any. Unfortunately, one of these two will likely be our next President. If it's Trump and he can't deliver on his promises to these angry folks, his life will be in great danger, I suspect.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 14, 2016, 03:45:26 PM
I'll give you that our Presidential options in this election are few if any. Unfortunately, one of these two will likely be our next President. If it's Trump and he can't deliver on his promises to these angry folks, his life will be in great danger, I suspect.

Do you really expect any politician to deliver on his/her promises? 

I'm voting for Gary Johnson. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 14, 2016, 03:46:39 PM
Do you really expect any politician to deliver on his/her promises? 

I'm voting for Gary Johnson. 

props
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 14, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
Do you really expect any politician to deliver on his/her promises? 

I'm voting for Gary Johnson. 


(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/97/976c1535ad3672d77f137a1a3e591dd9acab8b8566847932c5d65e826bb5dda4.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 14, 2016, 04:08:32 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on June 16, 2016, 01:28:16 PM
Do you really expect any politician to deliver on his/her promises?  

I'm voting for Gary Johnson.  

One can hope....

Any particular reason you're voting for him?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 16, 2016, 02:12:49 PM
One can hope....

Any particular reason you're voting for him?

Because I refuse to vote for Hillary or Trump and I agree with Gary Johnson on several issues.  Also, he doesn't have integrity problems like Hillary or Trump.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on June 16, 2016, 02:15:09 PM
Because I refuse to vote for Hillary or Trump and I agree with Gary Johnson on several issues.  Also, he doesn't have integrity problems like Hillary or Trump.



Hillary Clinton loves people with your type of rationale.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 16, 2016, 02:16:34 PM
Hillary Clinton loves people with your type of rationale.

I don't care.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 16, 2016, 02:18:48 PM
Warren Top VP Pick for Clinton Supporters, Gingrich for Trump
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=48ec8a5b-5306-4114-bbc6-e6458993ea3c&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: Warren Top VP Pick for Clinton Supporters, Gingrich for Trump  (AP)
Thursday, 16 Jun 2016

More than a third of likely voters backing Democrat Hillary Clinton in the latest Bloomberg Politics national poll say she should pick Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, a darling of the party’s liberal wing, as her running mate.

On the Republican side, almost a third of likely voters supporting Donald Trump say former House Speaker Newt Gingrich would be his best pick. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, a man the presumptive GOP nominee has often referred to as “Little Marco,” is selected by about a quarter of Trump’s backers, making him the second most popular pick among seven widely mentioned names.

Warren received support from 35 percent of Clinton’s supporters in the poll. Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey and U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro are the only two other Democratic names to break into double-digits among six tested.

Read the questions and methodology here.

Likely voters of all political stripes are split on whether the U.S. is ready to elect two women as president and vice president, with 46 percent saying yes and 48 percent saying no.

Men and women look at the question differently, and not in a way that might be expected, the poll shows. A majority of men, 55 percent, say the nation is ready to elect two women to the nation’s top jobs. It’s women who are skeptical, with a majority of 59 percent saying that the nation isn’t ready.

While neither presumptive nominee is expected to pick their running mate until closer to next month’s national conventions, the parlor-game speculation is already intensifying.

After Gingrich and Rubio, John Kasich is the next most popular choice for a running mate among those backing Trump, with 18 percent selecting the Ohio governor.

In an effort to measure whether other business types have the prominence to ever mount a campaign like Trump’s using their ties to commerce as a springboard, Bloomberg Politics polled the popularity of four technology-company leaders who have all had higher national profiles. The results showed that most of them aren’t that well known.

The least familiar among the four is Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook’s chief operating officer. Almost two-thirds of Americans didn’t give an opinion about her, while 20 percent said they viewed her favorably and 15 percent unfavorably.

Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s CEO, is the best known among those tested, with just 37 percent giving no opinion. He’s viewed favorably by 40 percent and unfavorably by 23 percent.

Fifty-five percent of Americans said they don’t know enough about Elon Musk, chief executive of Tesla Motors and SpaceX, to form an opinion. Among those that did give one, 37 percent said they view him favorably and 8 percent negatively.

Mark Cuban, a technology entrepreneur and owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, is viewed favorably by 37 percent of Americans and unfavorably by 16 percent. Nearly half, 47 percent, said they didn’t know enough about him to form an opinion.

The poll, conducted Friday through Monday, included 1,000 adults and has a margin or error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. The questions on vice-presidential candidates were answered by 333 Trump supporters and 332 Clinton supporters and both have a margin of error of plus or minus 5.4 percentage points. The survey was directed by Selzer & Co. of West Des Moines, Iowa.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/VP-Warren-Gingrich-Clinton/2016/06/16/id/734121/#ixzz4BmOF2Ikp
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on June 16, 2016, 02:46:03 PM
I don't care.

Gary Johnson is going to be a warrior in combating Radical Islamic Terrorism.

Try saying that with a straight face.

Hillary is a vile, disgusting, corrupt human being and even she is more equipped to face the realities of terrorism versus "do nothing" Gary Johnson.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 16, 2016, 02:47:03 PM
Gingrich.... the man who screamed about Clinton's integrity for cheating, while he was banging his own secretary while the sick wife sat at home...


yeah, perfect fit for Trump.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 16, 2016, 02:49:22 PM
Gary Johnson

He will cut military spending.   That'll be a hard sell for those chickenhawk getbiggers that are okay with another 20 Trillion in borrowing over the next 8 years because we need a bigger war dick.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 16, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
Gary Johnson is going to be a warrior in combating Radical Islamic Terrorism.

Trying saying that with a straight face.

Hillary is a vile, disgusting, corrupt human being and even she is more equipped to face the realities of terrorism versus "do nothing" Gary Johnson.

I can say that with a straight face a lot more than I can say "President Trump" or "President Hillary."  Gary Johnson isn't going to win.  We are going to be stuck with Trump or Hillary.  They are both horrible.  Our country is screwed.  Good luck defending either of those terds.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 16, 2016, 02:53:38 PM
I can say that with a straight face a lot more than I can say "President Trump" or "President Hillary."  Gary Johnson isn't going to win.  We are going to be stuck with Trump or Hillary.  They are both horrible.  Our country is screwed.  Good luck defending either of those terds. 

I still think the RNC is going to change their rules and release the delegates before vote 1. 

Trump is driving the party into the ground.  There's still time for Ryan/Cruz or some other combo to save the party.  Donations will be late, but they'll come strong. 

Trump is refusing to do donor calls - he's now hurting senate and congressional races in a big way.   Many of them won't even talk about Trump anymore.   They're WAY too smart to settle for another 8 years of obama-style governance.   

Trump gets bounced at the convention - at this point, I think it has to happen.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on June 16, 2016, 03:12:26 PM
....I agree with Gary Johnson on several issues.  Also, he doesn't have integrity problems like Hillary or Trump.



This is refreshing if true. It is also possible no one has bothered to scrutinize Johnson to the degree they have Hillary and Trump, because he isn't a viable candidate yet. -wonder how the general public will react to his former association with marijuana?   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 16, 2016, 03:21:13 PM
This is refreshing if true. It is also possible no one has bothered to scrutinize Johnson to the degree they have Hillary and Trump, because he isn't a viable candidate yet. -wonder how the general public will react to his former association with marijuana?   

i think people are cool with that.   he was CEO or satvia or something, right?   on the board? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on June 16, 2016, 03:35:30 PM
I can say that with a straight face a lot more than I can say "President Trump" or "President Hillary."  Gary Johnson isn't going to win.  We are going to be stuck with Trump or Hillary.  They are both horrible.  Our country is screwed.  Good luck defending either of those terds.  

Gary Johnson has some decent ideas but his 1776 ideology is not equipped to face the realities of 2016 Radical Islamic Terrorism.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 16, 2016, 03:45:17 PM
Gary Johnson has some decent ideas but his 1776 ideology is not equipped to face the realities of 2016 Radical Islamic Terrorism.

IMHO, this is one of the mistakes people make when it comes to libertarians.  They think they're wimps, afraid of war, afraid of bad guys.   Libertarians are all about executing the fck out of anyone threatening them, and then coming home and no longer wasting trillions of dollars playing world police.   Libertarians will open up gun ownership/carrying so the next ORL shooter is dropped about 10 seconds into it.  And libertarians will finish off the bad guys overseas because they threaten our life, liberty, freedoms. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 16, 2016, 03:53:24 PM
This is refreshing if true. It is also possible no one has bothered to scrutinize Johnson to the degree they have Hillary and Trump, because he isn't a viable candidate yet. -wonder how the general public will react to his former association with marijuana?   

He was governor of New Mexico, so he has been vetted somewhat.  I don't think people care about reformed pot heads. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 16, 2016, 03:53:57 PM
Gary Johnson has some decent ideas but his 1776 ideology is not equipped to face the realities of 2016 Radical Islamic Terrorism.

So let's instead support the "ban all Muslims" guy.  Great. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on June 16, 2016, 03:54:13 PM
Libertarians aren't serious about enforcing immigration laws.

Paul Ryan has come on record as not being serious about enforcing immigration laws as recently as within the past week.

The GOP and Libertarian party are completely delusional if they think they can win nationwide elections with this stance.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 16, 2016, 03:56:37 PM
Libertarians aren't serious about enforcing immigration laws.

most would agree trump isn't either.

He is just as serious about a wall, as he is about manually pulling all the illegals from their homes, and sending them back.  ANd he's said it's 34 million.   Not 11 as most people estimate.

He's going to send 11 or 12% of the US population to live somewhere else.   

I'd say that proposal isn't serious either.

OR I can beat your argument another way.   In July 2015, Trump said the "good illegals" can stay. 

So either way - Trump isn't serious about stopping the illegals.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on June 16, 2016, 04:02:16 PM
most would agree trump isn't either.

He is just as serious about a wall, as he is about manually pulling all the illegals from their homes, and sending them back.  ANd he's said it's 34 million.   Not 11 as most people estimate.

He's going to send 11 or 12% of the US population to live somewhere else.   

I'd say that proposal isn't serious either.

OR I can beat your argument another way.   In July 2015, Trump said the "good illegals" can stay. 

So either way - Trump isn't serious about stopping the illegals.

You try to pass yourself as this ultra hardcore troll... er.... i mean right winger.

Tell me why you support Gary Johnson and his policies. Particularly his stance on combating Radical Islamic Terrorism and decreasing rampant illegal immigration.

Give me an argument FOR Gary Johnson. Not another generic anti-Trump diatribe.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 16, 2016, 04:22:13 PM
Give me an argument FOR Gary Johnson. Not another generic anti-Trump diatribe.


Johnson will reduce military spending by over 40%.    This will greatly reduce our spending and maybe just keep the nation out of bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on June 16, 2016, 04:30:37 PM

Johnson will reduce military spending by over 40%.    This will greatly reduce our spending and maybe just keep the nation out of bankruptcy.

I knew I was wasting my time.

Didn't even answer the question.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on June 16, 2016, 04:49:17 PM
Islamic Terrorists want to murder people in the United States and I've yet to see a single argument to how Gary Johnson and his platform is going to do a damn thing to combat this.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 16, 2016, 05:42:21 PM
I knew I was wasting my time.

Didn't even answer the question.

You asked for an argument FOR johnson.   He'll save us from bankruptcy.   I'd say that's a great argument.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 17, 2016, 01:19:04 PM
Islamic Terrorists want to murder people in the United States and I've yet to see a single argument to how Gary Johnson and his platform is going to do a damn thing to combat this.

I don't see anything in the Libertarian Party platform that talks about the war on terror.  Also, the Republican Party platform criticizes the Obama approach, but I didn't see anything that laid out the plan you are talking about to combat Radical Islam.  I didn't bother to check the Democrat Party platform.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 17, 2016, 01:52:25 PM
I saw this quickly and I agree with a lot of it.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Johnson_War_+_Peace.htm
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on June 18, 2016, 02:08:40 AM
He was governor of New Mexico, so he has been vetted somewhat.  I don't think people care about reformed pot heads. 


Somewhat perhaps. I'm unsure that Governors are vetted all that much. While I could give a flying fuck whether someone smokes dope or not, a lot of conservative folks do.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 20, 2016, 02:13:51 PM

Somewhat perhaps. I'm unsure that Governors are vetted all that much. While I could give a flying fuck whether someone smokes dope or not, a lot of conservative folks do.

You think so?  Sounds like a stereotype.  I don't hear people talking about it very much.  In fact, I think we are very close to having it legalized nationwide. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 20, 2016, 02:15:37 PM
Poll numbers dropping.  Campaign in disarray.  Whispers of convention problems.  Members of Congress openly withholding support.  Good job GOP.   ::)

Donald Trump Parts Ways With Controversial Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski
Lewandowski was known for his brash tactics and insistence that letting “Trump be Trump” would win the White House.
06/20/2016 10:19
Senior Political Correspondent, The Huffington Post

Falling in the polls and watching Republican delegates mount a campaign to oust him, Donald Trump has cut ties with his controversial campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.

Trump announced the change on Monday in a statement from spokeswoman Hope Hicks, which was first reported by The New York Times.

Lewandowski had been with Trump since January 2015, when most political observers believed the reality TV star was never going to actually run for president, and guided him to securing the nomination in May 2016 when his final opponents dropped out.

The New Hampshire native had no experience on national campaigns, and had jealously protected his access to and influence with Trump, arguing that letting “Trump be Trump” was the strategy that would win the White House just as it won the nomination.

But Lewandowski faced increasing pressure from both inside the campaign and from Republican Party leaders to broaden his approach and conduct a more traditional campaign to go up against Democrat Hillary Clinton.

For weeks, Lewandowski had been competing with longtime GOP lobbyist and consultant Paul Manafort, who was originally brought in to manage the campaign’s delegate tracking operation for the nominating convention in Cleveland.

Even as Manafort went to Republican National Committee members and Republican members of the House and Senate to assure them that Trump would adopt a more “presidential” tone and strategy after he secured the nomination, Lewandowski worked to keep things as they had been.

And because Trump keeps neither a computer on his desk nor a cell phone in his pocket, Lewandowski and Hicks had been able to maintain roles as Trump’s gatekeepers, deciding who got access to the self-proclaimed multi-billionaire, according to sources close to the campaign.

Lewandowski also regularly traveled with Trump, accompanying him to nearly all of his rallies and meetings outside of New York City. This helped give him a level of influence with Trump that exceeded anybody else’s inside or outside the campaign, save for Trump’s children.

It’s unclear who will take Lewandowski’s place. Manafort’s allies cheered Monday’s announcement, but the Trump campaign has not yet said what the new organizational chart will look like.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-corey-lewandowski_us_5767f5bbe4b0853f8bf15aba
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 20, 2016, 05:58:50 PM
Campaign in disarray.

Trump is the master of organizational mgmt, with WORLDS more experience at it than anyone else.

To think he cannot run a campaign of a few thousand people - at all?   When he can run multimational companies, making deals all over the world, building massive skyscrapers and golf courses, all at once...

But when his sole focus is on the campaign, he cannot hire people to fill key roles?  I just do not believe he became this inept overnight.  I think it's on purpose.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on June 20, 2016, 07:53:01 PM
Sales to earning for S&P companies are 2 to 1, eclipsing both the "great recession" and the dot com bubble. Companies are routinely using non-gaap to estimate earnings, and until recently were participating in significant debt to equity purchases. There is considerable economic volatility in Europe, as Britain may exit the European Union. The federal reserve cannot raise interest rates, lest it causes a financial catastrophe in the bond market. American companies are laying people off left and right, especially as workers are increasingly being replaced with technology. The military is converting into a leaner force, less dependent on human capital, and real estate has eclipsed the highs of 2006 in Denver. Who knows what's in store for the economy as it gets closer to elections?

What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 22, 2016, 12:12:50 PM
Clinton closing in on running mate search
By Jeff Zeleny and Dan Merica, CNN
Tue June 21, 2016

Columbus, Ohio (CNN) — Hillary Clinton is narrowing her choices for a running mate, intently focusing on a handful of potential candidates as her team closes in on the final weeks of vetting before she makes a decision in less than a month, several Democrats watching the process tell CNN.

With her long Democratic primary fight now over, Clinton has privately signaled she is less concerned about choosing someone who fills a specific liberal or progressive void, rather than selecting a partner who is fully prepared for the job and has a strong camaraderie with her.

The list of serious vice presidential candidates is believed to be smaller rather than larger, with Democrats close to the campaign placing it at no more than five contenders. But several aides acknowledged they were not sure, considering the secrecy imposed on the process by Clinton.

Clinton has not yet conducted formal interviews, but has devoted hours studying the records and backgrounds of several Democrats on a list that includes Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro of Texas.

But those three should not be seen as absolute finalists, several Democrats said, only as active contenders. The roster also may include Labor Secretary Tom Perez, Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio and Rep. Xavier Beccera of California.

Asked about his prospects, Kaine smiled and winked Tuesday as he stepped into an elevator in the Capitol.

It does not include Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, her primary rival who has yet to endorse her candidacy but has pledged to help defeat Donald Trump. He was not expecting to be considered, aides said, and her aides say he is not.

John Podesta, chairman of the Clinton campaign and a trusted confidante, is leading the effort, according to Democrats who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak about the highly-secretive process. Cheryl Mills, Clinton's longtime adviser and lawyer, is also helping Clinton with the decision.

Both were seen leaving Clinton's home in Washington on June 10, hours after the former secretary of state met with Warren. The topic of the meeting was not the vice presidency, aides said, but it was an opportunity for the two whose relationship has not always been warm to have a face-to-face conversation about the direction of the party.

As Clinton has repeatedly said in interviews, her top consideration is someone who would be able to step into the presidency should anything happen to her. And, by extension, someone who Republicans could not credibly cast as ill-prepared.

"I want to be sure that whoever I pick could be president immediately if something were to happen," Clinton told CNN earlier this month. "That's the most important qualification."

Another top consideration for Clinton and her aides, Democrats said, is finding someone she actually wants to work with, not necessarily someone who checks regional or specific electorate boxes. She, perhaps more than most presumptive nominees in recent history, knows the inner-workings of the West Wing intimately.

This could bode well for several Democrats, who aides say Clinton enjoyed campaigning with this year, including Kaine, Perez, Castro and Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey.

For all the calculations about who would make a better running mate, the list of actual candidates is believed to be fairly small. Clinton is not expected to make a decision before Trump reveals his choice at the Republican convention, but aides say she is almost certain to have her decision made privately by then.

Each Democrat being considered offers a variety of pros and cons that Podesta, Mills and other aides are currently weighing. A veteran Washington lawyer, James Hamilton, is also overseeing the vetting of the candidates.

The real scrutiny, though, comes through the work of Democratic lawyers and researchers who are assigned specific candidates and are walled-off from others. They start by studying public records, searching for anything embarrassing, distracting or otherwise problematic.

One area of inquiry, for instance, is a batch of legal files in Richmond, Virginia, where death penalty cases of a young civil rights lawyer named Tim Kaine are being reviewed. Kaine was vetted by the Obama campaign eight years ago and people close to that process say nothing was discovered that would disqualify him.

Kaine, a former governor and chairman of the Democratic National Committee, is one of the few prospects with executive experience. He also speaks fluent Spanish, often conducting interviews on the campaign trail or on Capitol Hill in his second language. He is not a progressive firebrand, but that may be less of a demand than once thought during the heat of the Clinton-Sanders fight.

Castro is seen as young, vibrant and would further cement the Latino vote. But his experience is far less than anyone else on the list and some Democrats fear he could be cast as a lightweight.

Perez is seen as someone ready and willing to attack Trump and whose long history in labor politics could excite voters in labor strongholds like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Yet he has spent most of his life as a political appointee, only successfully running for county council of Montgomery County, Maryland, in 2002.

While Warren is being actively considered, several Democrats close to both women are skeptical she will be selected. She has aggressively attacked Trump in recent weeks -- much to the delight of the Clinton campaign -- but the two do not have a personal relationship and Warren has, at times, been outspoken against some of the Clinton White House's policies.

Last week, Warren dropped by Clinton's headquarters and fired up the troops, leading one top Democrat to say: "Never say never. She's good."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/hillary-clinton-vice-president-search/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2016, 10:10:19 AM
Swing State Poll: Clinton Leads Trump in Florida; Dead Heat in Ohio, Pa.
By Sandy Fitzgerald   |   Tuesday, 21 Jun 2016

A new Quinnipiac University swing state poll puts Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in Florida, the two candidates in a dead heat in Ohio, and showing Pennsylvania is too close to call, while showing that Bernie Sanders still polls higher than Clinton over Trump in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

According to the poll numbers released on Tuesday:
Florida: Clinton 47 percent;  Trump 39
Ohio: Clinton and Trump, 40 percent each
Pennsylvania: Clinton 42 percent; Trump 41

The poll conducted from June 8-19, surveyed 975 Florida voters with a margin of error of  3.1 percentage points; 971 Ohio voters with a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points; and 950 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of 3.2 percentage points.

According to Quinnipiac, the focus was on the three states because no candidate since 1960 has won the presidential race without winning at least two of them.

Under potential presidential match ups:

Florida: Clinton over Trump 47 - 39 percent, compared to 43 - 42 percent May 10. Sanders tops Trump 45 - 39 percent.
Ohio: Clinton and Trump tied 40 - 40 percent, compared to a small 43 - 39 percent Trump lead May 10. Sanders leads Trump 48 - 38 percent.
Pennsylvania: Clinton at 42 percent to Trump's 41 percent, virtually unchanged from the 43 - 42 percent lean to Clinton May 10. Sanders tops Trump 47 - 40 percent. With third party candidates in the race, results are:

Florida: Clinton tops Trump 42 - 36 percent, with 7 percent for Libertarian Gary Johnson and 3 percent for Green Party candidate Jill Stein;
Ohio: Clinton at 38 percent, with Trump at 36 percent, Johnson at 8 percent and Stein at 3 percent;
Pennsylvania: Clinton at 39 percent to Trump's 36 percent, with 9 percent for Johnson and 4 percent for Stein.

And by the states, Florida voters gave both Trump and Clinton negative favorability ratings, of 39-53 percent for her and 33-61 percent for him. In other Florida numbers:

Men: Drops from 49 - 36 percent May 10 to 45 - 41 percent today.
Women: Clinton's lead grows from 48 - 35 percent in May to 52 - 34 percent today.
Republicans: Trump 82 - 8 percent
Democrats: Clinton 93 - 2 among Democrats and 44 - 35 percent among independent voters.
White voters: Trump over Clinton, 51 - 36 percent
Non-white voters: Clinton over Trump,  72 - 15 percent.

In other breakdowns in Florida:

60 - 31 percent that Clinton is better prepared to be president;
47 - 36 percent that she has higher moral standards;
53 - 33 percent that Clinton is more intelligent;
43 percent say Trump is more honest and trustworthy and 40 percent trust Clinton;
44 percent that Clinton is more inspiring, with 42 percent for Trump;
46 percent that Trump is a stronger leader, with 45 percent for Clinton;
Better creating jobs, Trump, 49 - 41 percent;
Immigration, Clinton, 50 - 43 percent;
Against ISIS, Trump, 48 - 42 percent;
Responding to an international crisis, Clinton, 54 - 39 percent;
Inviting to a barbecue, Trump, 48-40 percent;
In a personal crisis, Clinton, 49 - 40 percent.

In Ohio, voters gave Clinton a 35-59 percent favorability rating, with Trump at 32-59 percent. In other numbers:

Women: Clinton from 43 - 36 percent over Trump May 10 to 48 - 31 percent today.
Men: Trump 51 - 36 percent in May and 49 - 32 percent today.
Republicans: Trump 76 - 6 percent among Republicans and 41 - 32 percent among independent voters;
Democrats: Clinton 80 - 9 percent;
White voters: Trump 46 - 32 percent;
Non-white voters: Clinton 78 - 8 percent.

In other traits:

57 - 33 percent, Clinton is better prepared to be president;
45 - 37 percent that she has higher moral standards;
53 - 36 percent that Clinton is more intelligent;
44 - 37 percent that Trump is more honest and trustworthy;
46 - 40 percent that Trump is more inspiring;
49 - 41 percent that Trump is a stronger leader.

Creating jobs, Trump, 52-39 percent;
Immigration, Clinton, 53-53 percent;
ISIS, Trump, 54-38 percent;
International crisis, Clinton, 52-41 percent;
Barbecue, Trump, 50-36 percent;
Personal crisis, Clinton, 45-42 percent.

In Pennsylvania, where voters give Clinton a negative 41 - 56 percent favorability rating, and Trump a negative 35 - 60 percent:

Women: Clinton leads 50 - 34 percent;
Men: Trump leads 50 - 33 percent;
Republicans: 78 - 7 percent and 42 - 34 percent among independent voters;
Democrats: Clinton, 82 - 7 percent.
White voters: Trump, 47 - 38 percent;
Non-white voters: Clinton, 66 - 15 percent.

In other traits:

59 - 32 percent that Clinton is better prepared to be president;
47 - 37 percent that she has higher moral standards;
54 - 33 percent that Clinton is more intelligent;
44 - 40 percent that Trump is more honest and trustworthy;
45 - 41 percent that Trump is more inspiring;
47 percent that Trump is a stronger leader and 46 percent that Clinton is stronger;
Creating jobs, Trump, 52-39 percent;
Immigration, Clinton, 51-44 percent;
ISIS, Trump, 51-42 percent;
International crisis, Clinton, 54-38 percent;
Barbecue, Trump, 52-36 percent;
Personal crisis, 45-44 percent, Clinton.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Swing-State-Poll-Quinnipiac-Clinton/2016/06/21/id/734831/#ixzz4CQJ8maWu
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2016, 12:12:34 PM
Trump's VP Front-runner: Sen. Sessions of Alabama
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=3131014c-bf6b-49ac-af95-8590272514f8&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: Trump's VP Front-runner: Sen. Sessions of Alabama  (Photo by Molly Riley/AFP/Getty Images) 
By John Gizzi
Thursday, 23 Jun 2016
 
With less than a month to go before the Republican National Convention that will make Donald Trump's nomination for president official, sources close to the billionaire candidate told Newsmax Wednesday that his top choice, at the moment, as his vice presidential running mate is Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama.

Requesting anonymity, the sources told us that Trump feels personally comfortable with swashbuckling conservative Sessions, 69, who was the first member of the Senate to endorse his candidacy and who frequently speaks with him.

The square Sessions seems to fit many square holes for Trump: he's conservative and nails down the party's right flank, he endorsed Trump early and has been extremely loyal, he has Washington legislative experience — a key requirement — and importantly, he can be totally trusted never to criticize Trump no matter what he might say in the coming months.

Senate Judiciary Committee member Sessions has already had a "strong impact." His immigration legislation has already been the cornerstone of trumps Mexico and deportation policies. Sessions played a key role in creating Trump's surprise list of a dozen Supreme Court appointees he would consider. The list pleased conservatives and was particularly responsible for Trump naming Judge William Pryor (who succeeded Sessions as state attorney general of Alabama) as a top choice, a source said.

Moreover, judged the fifth-most-conservative U.S. senator by the "National Journal," and with lifetime ratings of 96 percent from the American Conservative Union and 80 percent from the Heritage Action Fund, insiders say by picking sessions Trump will be able to stake positions more in the center and even to the left of Hillary Clinton.

"The selection will reassure conservatives," said Franklin & Marshall College Professor G. Terry Madonna, considered the premier pollster in Pennsylvania. "Sessions is one of the more conservative senators — that should be reassuring to economic conservatives and the religious right."

Among issues where Sessions has been a leader on the right have been as a hard-line opponent of illegal immigration, Obamacare, and abortion. He was a leading proponent of tax cuts under the George W. Bush administration and helped lead the fight against repeal of the "Don't ask, don't tell" rule regarding gays in the military.

Sessions did support the Iraq War, which Trump now denounces Clinton for backing. But he also never disagrees with Trump in public, which "the Donald" is said to appreciate.

"Jeff is solid," former Sen. Jon Kyl (R.-Ariz.), who worked closely with Sessions on the Senate Judiciary Committee for many years, told Newsmax Wednesday as rumors of his possible selection mounted.

Kyl also told us that "Sen. Sessions is well grounded in all of the major areas and would be prepared to step in should there be a need."

He was referring to another reason Sessions backers close to Trump feel the senator is now leading for the Number Two spot: the long-standing Republican Party tradition of an "outsider-insider" national ticket.

Going back to 1868, when retired Gen. and first-time candidate Ulysses Grant was nominated for president and tapped House Speaker Schuyler Colfax for vice president, the GOP has had a history of almost always running a seasoned political "pro" for vice president when the nominee for the top job is a political outsider or non-office-holder.

Gen. Dwight Eisenhower was matched with known anti-communist Sen. Richard Nixon in 1952 and, more recently, "anti-Washington" nominees Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush turned to "insiders" George H.W. Bush and Dick Cheney, respectively, as running mates.

In Sessions, Trump — who has never held elected office before — would have a running mate who has been active in politics since he was in the Young Republicans at Huntingdon College in Alabama back when the GOP in the South was in the proverbial telephone booth.

Tapped by President Reagan to be U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Alabama in 1981, University of Alabama Law School graduate and U.S. Army Reserve Capt. Sessions developed a reputation as "the Southern Giuliani" for his successful prosecution record.

When Reagan appointed Sessions to the U.S. District Court in 1986, civil rights and liberal groups mobilized charged he had made insensitive comments about the civil rights movement — comments, Sessions insisted, were made "in jest" and which he was apologized for.

But supporters could never muster the one additional vote they needed in the Senate Judiciary Committee to break a 9-9 tie and report the Sessions nomination to the Senate. The nomination was withdrawn.

Sessions went on to be elected state attorney general in 1994 and, two years later, was easily elected to the Senate seat relinquished by the political actor pivotal to thwarting his nomination to the bench: Democrat Howell Heflin, who after saying he would support Sessions on the Judiciary Committee, ended up voting "no."

One unique part of a Trump-Sessions team-up that Democrats are sure to bring up is that, with Trump recently turning 70 and Sessions turning 70 in December, theirs would be the oldest national ticket of a major party in history. However, Trump is said not to care about this and it would seem that a Democratic nominee who is 69 would not try to make this an issue.

Plus, reports suggests the Trump will not name his vice president shall not many early, but wants to save it for the convention as a major touch point in his political coronation.

While friends of Trump acknowledge that sessions is the current front runner they also admit that it's not concrete until it's announced. Other candidates that make the shortlist or Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona, Gov. Mary Fallin of Oklahoma, Gen. Mike Flynn, former director of the defense intelligence agency, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

http://www.newsmax.com/John-Gizzi/jeff-sessions-donald-trump-vice-president-frontrunner/2016/06/23/id/735301/#ixzz4CQo4YR8i
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2016, 01:23:43 PM
Florida: Clinton 47 percent;  Trump 39

I believe this.   I play locally and talk to people.  Trump was LOVED 6 months ago.

These days, many of the same people have grown tired of him.   Once they learned what he was really about, and learned how reckless some of the things were, they just lost interest.

See, the "swing" voters are a mile wide and an inch thick.  Trump was the flavor of the week.  Now they're more interested in other things, Big Brother or Lebron winning a ring, or NFL mini-camps or whatever.   The Trump Show is kinda stupid now that the novelty has worn off.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 29, 2016, 01:00:51 PM
Poll: Clinton Holds Double-Digit Lead Over Trump in Swing States
By Cathy Burke   |    Wednesday, 29 Jun 2016
 
Hillary Clinton is polling higher than Donald Trump in seven swing states, holding leads ranging from 4 to 17 points, according to a new poll released Wednesday.

The states polled by a Ballotpedia survey showed Clinton ahead of Trump overall by 11 points, 48 percent to 37 percent, with 14 percent picking "neither."

Here's the swing-state breakdown:

•Florida: Clinton 51 percent; Trump 37 percent
•Iowa: Clinton 45 percent; Trump 41 percent
•Michigan: Clinton 50 percent; Trump 33 percent
•North Carolina: Clinton 48 percent, Trump 38 percent
•Ohio: Clinton 46 percent; Trump 37 percent
•Pennsylvania: Clinton 49 percent; Trump 35 percent
•Virginia: Clinton 45 percent; Trump 38 percent

According to the survey, Clinton also maintained her advantage when respondents were offered a third option, Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson.
 
Here's the overall results in a three-way race:

•Clinton: 44 percent
•Trump: 34 percent
•Johnson: 13 percent
•Neither: 13 percent

 Ballotpedia also polled Clinton in presidential matchups against GOP House Speaker Paul Ryan and Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich – though both men have disavowed any interest in running and Trump has been the party's presumptive nominee since early May.

According to the survey, Kasich beat Clinton in five states – Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia – and Ryan bested her in three: Iowa, Ohio and Virginia.

The survey's margin of error is plus or minus 4 points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Poll-Swing-State-Clinton-Trump/2016/06/29/id/736246/#ixzz4D05Qxut6
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 29, 2016, 01:02:50 PM
Nate Silver: Clinton has 79 Percent Chance of Winning Election
By Theodore Bunker   |    Wednesday, 29 Jun 2016

Nate Silver predicted Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton has a 79 percent chance of winning the presidency, compared to Donald Trump's 20 percent, the founder of the sports and politics analysis website FiveThirtyEight said on ABC's "Good Morning America" show Wednesday.

"We're at halftime of the election right now," Silver said on the show. "She's taking a seven-point, maybe a 10-point lead into halftime. There's a lot of football left to be played. She's ahead in almost every poll, every swing state, every national poll."

If Clinton were to lose, she would be the first candidate since former Democratic Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis to "to blow a lead this large." The Duke lost to George H.W. Bush in 1988.

Silver, who correctly predicted the results in 49 of 50 states in the 2008 election and all 50 states in 2012, doesn't think Trump, the GOP nominee, has enough appeal outside of his core supporters.

"Trump has never been ahead of Clinton in the general election campaign," Silver said. "He did a great job of appealing to the 40 percent of the GOP he had to win the election, the primary, a lot different than winning 51 percent of 100 percent."

Silver also defended his August GOP primary prediction, which gave Trump a 2 percent chance of securing the Republican nomination.

"That wasn't based on looking at polls," Silver said. "Trump was always ahead in the polls, and one big lesson of his campaign is, don't try and out-think the polls and try and out-think the American public."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Nate-Silver-Clinton-Trump-Election/2016/06/29/id/736265/#ixzz4D05uxfSv
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 29, 2016, 01:14:29 PM
we always gotta remember that 240 was worlds more correct than Nate Silver, when it came to predicting Trump's rise in the repub primaries.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 29, 2016, 03:50:15 PM
Fox News Poll: Clinton up by 6 points, 89 percent say 'hot-headed' describes Trump
By  Dana Blanton 
Published June 29, 2016
FoxNews.com

Donald Trump has had a few rocky weeks on the campaign trail, and it shows in the latest Fox News Poll.  Just over half of Republicans would rather have someone besides Trump as their nominee, and his support in the presidential ballot test has dropped seven points since May. 

Democrat Hillary Clinton is up 44-38 percent over Trump in a head-to-head matchup.  Earlier this month, Clinton had a three-point edge (42-39 percent).  In May, Trump was up by three (45-42 percent).  Clinton’s current lead is just inside the poll’s margin of sampling error.

The national poll, released Wednesday, finds she has a similar advantage when voters are asked about confidence in the candidates to make the “right” decisions for the country if they were president:  48 percent are at least somewhat confident Clinton would.  It’s 42 percent for Trump.

In the matchup, Clinton is the choice among blacks (87-3 percent), women (51-32 percent), voters under age 45 (45-35 percent), and those earning less than $50,000 annually (52-30 percent).

CLICK HERE TO READ THE FULL POLL RESULTS

Trump leads among white evangelical Christians (66-18 percent), whites without a college degree (51-33 percent), gun owners (52-30 percent), whites (48-34 percent), men (46-36 percent), and independents (39-31 percent).

Since May, Trump has lost ground with Republicans (-8 points), whites without degrees (-10 points), and men (-9 points).

The race is almost even among just those “extremely” or “very” interested in the election (45 Clinton to 43 Trump).  This group went for Trump by four points in early June (45-41 percent).

Party unity is a trouble spot for Trump.  Just 74 percent of Republicans back him over Clinton, down from 82 percent in May.  For comparison, Mitt Romney lost despite garnering 93 percent support among Republicans in 2012.  In addition, just over half of Republicans would prefer a different nominee (51 percent someone else vs. 48 percent Trump).  And while most GOP voters describe Trump as intelligent, more than 7-in-10 feel he’s hot-headed and obnoxious.  More on that later.

Eighty-three percent of Democrats support Clinton in the ballot test.  That’s better than Trump does among Republicans, yet worse than the 92 percent backing President Obama received in 2012.  By a 21-point margin, Democrats want Clinton (58 percent) as their party’s nominee over Bernie Sanders (37 percent).

Some 66 percent of Democrats who preferred Sanders are backing Clinton over Trump.  By comparison, only 52 percent of Republicans who want someone else to lead their party support Trump over Clinton.

Twenty-four percent of Republicans lack confidence that Trump would make the right decisions for the country.  Fourteen percent of Democrats feel that way about Clinton.

"The results here aren't disastrous for Trump given the troubles he's encountered the past few weeks,” says Republican pollster Daron Shaw, who conducts the Fox News Poll along with Democratic pollster Chris Anderson. “He's within striking distance.  But he absolutely must combat the growing perception that he is temperamentally unsuited and intellectually unprepared to be president."

What words best describe the candidates?  There are a couple things voters generally agree on, and that’s both Clinton and Trump are patriotic -- and lack honesty.

Clinton outperforms Trump by the widest margin on “experienced,” as 77 percent say that describes her, while just 34 percent feel the same of Trump.

Far more see Clinton (82 percent) than Trump (66 percent) as “intelligent,” and “sensible” (54 percent Clinton vs. 35 percent Trump).

About six-in-ten think “patriotic” fits each.

Clinton is still dogged by low honesty numbers, as a record low 30 percent think she’s “honest and trustworthy,” and 58 percent describe her as “corrupt.”

Trump doesn’t have much to brag about here either:  just 34 percent describe him as “honest and trustworthy” and 45 percent say “corrupt” fits.

Most voters feel Trump is “hot-headed” (89 percent) and “obnoxious” (83 percent), while far fewer say those apply to Clinton (35 percent “hot-headed” and 45 percent “obnoxious”).

Less than half say the phrase “cares about people like me” describes Clinton (45 percent) and only about one third say it fits Trump (35 percent).

“While our polling shows a clear positive trend for Clinton, her six-point lead is notably small considering voters almost universally think Trump is hot-headed and obnoxious, and most think he’s inexperienced,” says Anderson.

“This race is nowhere close to breaking open, despite some huge perceived deficiencies in Trump’s character.” 

Pollpourri

Libertarian Gary Johnson captures 10 percent in a hypothetical three-way vote.  That causes both Clinton and Trump to lose ground, although for the most part she maintains her edge (41-36 percent).  Another 14 percent is up for grabs.

Fully 92 percent of those backing Clinton in the two-way race also back her in the three-way matchup.  For Trump, 89 percent stick with him.

The contest for the Congress looks similar to the presidential race.  When voters are asked to choose between the Democratic and Republican candidates in their district, Democrats are up by five points, 46-41 percent.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,017 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from June 26-28, 2016.  The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/29/fox-news-poll-clinton-up-by-6-points-89-percent-say-hot-headed-describes-trump.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 29, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
Fox News Poll: Clinton up by 6 points, 89 percent say 'hot-headed' describes Trump


Who are the 11% of Americans that look at Trump and say "Wow, that is one calm and level-headed man!"

???
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on June 29, 2016, 04:05:45 PM
Who are the 11% of Americans that look at Trump and say "Wow, that is one calm and level-headed man!"

???

This is actually a good question.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on June 29, 2016, 04:09:29 PM
This is actually a good question.



I mean, even among his most ardent supporters - they LIKE him because he's violent and raging and angry and ready to break some things.

I guess there are 11% of the population who are actually more rage-filled than Donald Trump.


They must poll in prisons.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 30, 2016, 06:11:23 PM
Rasmussen: Trump Takes 4-Point Lead Over Clinton
By Cathy Burke   |    Thursday, 30 Jun 2016

Donald Trump has jumped out ahead of Democratic rival Hillary Clinton by 4 percentage points, a weekly poll of the likely presidential contenders shows.

Rasmussen Report's "White House Watch" released Thursday, breaks down the candidates' support among voters like this:

•Trump: 43 percent
•Clinton: 39 percent
•Another Candidate: 12 percent
•Undecided: 5 percent

In Rasmussen's weekly poll last week, Clinton had 44 percent support compared with Trump's 39 percent. According to the pollster, the new results reflect Trump's highest level of support against Clinton since October.

This week's survey also shows that among Republicans, Trump has 75 percent support, while among Democrats, he garners 14 percent. Clinton has the support of 76 percent of Democrats, and 10 percent of GOP voters.

The Trump jump comes in the wake of news last week that included Britain's vote to leave the European Union, and the terrorist attack at an airport in Istanbul, Turkey.

The survey has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Rasmussen-Trump-Clinton-Poll/2016/06/30/id/736487/#ixzz4D7CDjGde
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on June 30, 2016, 06:14:25 PM
Chris Christie’s Shameless Shilling For Donald Trump May Pay Off After All
The New Jersey governor is reportedly on Trump’s vice presidential shortlist.
06/30/2016
Marina Fang    
Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), once a rival to presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, has emerged as a contender to become Trump’s vice presidential running mate.

Christie, who endorsed Trump soon after he ended his own bid for the GOP nomination, is being vetted by those leading the real estate mogul’s VP search, The New York Times first reported. A source confirmed the news to CNN.

As Trump has caused controversy after controversy, Christie has become one of his strongest defenders. When the real estate mogul launched a series of racist attacks against a federal judge, Christie immediately intervened by arguing that Trump was not racist.

Within Trump’s campaign, Christie has taken on an influential role, leading the transition team that is planning a potential Trump administration. He is reportedly helping Trump secure donations from prominent GOP donors, who so far have been reluctant to back Trump, and has reached out to his fellow GOP governors to encourage them to support the real estate mogul.

The New Jersey governor’s quick endorsement of Trump in February surprised many political observers, including politicians in his home state. Once seen as an establishment Republican and rising star within the party, Christie attaching himself to Trump’s candidacy and brand seemed to be a shameless political move. In particular, Christie spent much of his presidential campaign criticizing Trump, once calling him “a carnival barker” and “entertainer in chief.”

Christie’s now steadfast support of Trump has also been the subject of mockery. During one of his first appearances with Trump, people on social media commented that Christie looked like a hostage.

“I don’t know what I was supposed to be doing,” Christie said in response. “I was standing there listening to him. All these armchair psychiatrists should give it a break. ... He was answering questions from the national press corps, and I was listening. This is part of the hysteria of the people who oppose my Trump endorsement. They want to read anything into it that can be negative.”

“So no, I wasn’t being held hostage,” he added. “No, I wasn’t sitting up there thinking, ‘Oh my God, what have I done?’”

More recently, Christie had to deny that he is Trump’s “manservant,” following reports earlier this month that he was seen picking up Trump’s McDonald’s order.

Trump is expected to announce his vice presidential pick at the GOP convention in Cleveland next month.

UPDATE: 7:24 p.m. — Trump aides told The Washington Post later Thursday that the announcement could come as soon as next week, in order to unify the party ahead of the convention.

In addition to Christie, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) also is a strong contender to be Trump’s running mate. Gingrich, like Christie, has defended Trump, arguing on Sunday that Trump’s tendency to eschew facts and take inconsistent policy positions are signs that he is “evolving” as a candidate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-chris-christie-vp_us_57756feae4b0a629c1a91c0c?section=
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 01, 2016, 08:45:16 AM
WashPost's Cillizza: Hillary Has 'Large-Scale Problems,' Trump 'Can Win This Race'
NewsBusters ^ | June 30, 2016 | Tom Blumer
Posted on 7/1/2016, 2:00:57 AM by 2ndDivisionVet

Apparently following up on his Washington Post column earlier this week, the paper's Chris Cillizza appeared on Thursday's Morning Joe show and observed that Hillary Clinton has "large-scale problems on honesty and trustworthines," that "she is the status quo" and "represents the past." Because of that, and despite the conventional wisdom in much of the establishment press that Mrs. Clinton can't possibly lose in November, Cillizza argues that her Republican opponent "can win this race."

Cillizza has previously staunchly denied media bias in the coverage of Mrs. Clinton's campign. That's hard to square with what Tim Graham at NewsBusters observed on Wednesday, namely the contrast between Cillizza's take — "Hillary Clinton’s email story continues to get harder and harder to believe" — and the fact that no televsion network had "noticed this latest AP (Associated Press) story and (Mrs. Clinton's) latest (very problematic) batch of emails."

Given how he has blown off challenges to Mrs. Clinton's integrity in the past, Cillizza is apparently just now fully appreciating how vulnerable she is.

In February, as opponent Bernie Sanders and others were demanding that she release her paid-speech transcripts, Cillizza gave her a pass, deciding that he would prefer to "take Clinton at her word when she describes what the nature of her speeches were: Recounting high profile events and her role in them." Translation: I don't need any stinking transcripts. I'm going to believe what I want to believe, and no one else should care about what's in those speeches.

In April 2015, Cillizza infamously claimed that "No, the media isn’t biased in favor of Hillary Clinton." His basis was the stories generated by the mainstream media's gatekeepers like the Post, the New York Times and the Associated Press, which had indeed been covering her scandals. As Graham at NewsBusters wrote at the time, that's nice, but the negative stories about Mrs. Clinton were following a two-decades-plus pattern going back to her husband's presidential administration of seldom if ever making it to the airwaves:

... the national newspapers, including The Washington Post, have published some hard-hitting investigative pieces on the Clinton Foundation, on her speaking fees, and on the e-mail scandal. But the TV networks have barely touched the Clinton Foundation, were bored by the speaking-fees stuff, and have now lost interest in the e-mail scandal.

This was also the pattern of media coverage of the Bill Clinton era. Newspapers would break big scoops about the Clintons accepting donations from China and so on and the networks would yawn.

This pattern has also repeated itself during the Obama administration. If it doesn't get to the TV screens, many low-information voters won't ever learn about Mrs. Clinton's scandals. Thanks to New Media, that's less true now than it was during Bill Clinton's presidency. It also may be that social media, despite the speech policing by the new gatekeepers at Facebook and Twitter, is causing more relevant information to get to the low-info folks than was the case eight or perhaps even four years ago. Perhaps the poll which I will note at the end of this post demonstrates that.

Here is the video of the portion of Cillizza's Thursday morning Morning Joe appearance where he discusses Mrs. Clinton's vulnerabilities:

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

Transcript:

CHRIS CILLIZZA, WASHINGTON POST: What's so hard if you are Republican it is— this is a winnable race. You can argue and say very winnable race. She has large-scale problems on honest and trustworthiness, favorability, the idea that she is the status quo and the idea that she doesn’t represent the future, she represents the past. These are all things that if you focus a race on her, you can win this race.

Well, Chris, the reason "you can win this race" is because, as you're finally admitting, Mrs. Clinton has huge and largely intractable problems.

Apparently, Cillizza's opening "What's so hard" reference was to recent polling showing Mrs. Clinton ahead of presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump by margins ranging from 1 percent to 13 percent.

The frustration tempered a bit for Republicans and others who oppose Mrs. Clinton Thursday. The latest polling from Rasmussen showed Trump with a 4-point lead. Rasmussen's commentary noted that for all practical purposes, even though he is the presumptive GOP nominee, "Trump is already running a third-party candidacy against the establishments of both the Democratic and Republican parties."
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Erik C on July 01, 2016, 09:26:59 AM
"Rasmussen's commentary noted that for all practical purposes, even though he is the presumptive GOP nominee, "Trump is already running a third-party candidacy against the establishments of both the Democratic and Republican parties." "

That would be the most amazing strategy to co-opt any chance for a rival third party challenge to get started. If Trump looks more "third partyish" than any potential third party, then he gets a whole lot of "undecided" voters come election day. The Libertarian Party is no treat, as they're running two old RINOs, this time! How establishment can you get without being Hillary? LOL!

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 01, 2016, 01:11:42 PM
If Trump would just snap out of it and send a serious message, he would win.  It's the perfect time and everything is lined up for it.  Only thing missing is him.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 06, 2016, 09:20:12 AM
CNN: Trump Adds Joni Ernst to Running Mate List
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=2a4fa028-d920-441a-935c-413a4635d60a&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: CNN: Trump Adds Joni Ernst to Running Mate List  Joni Ernst (Getty Images/Scott Olson)
By Brian Freeman   |   Sunday, 03 Jul 2016

Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst is among those Donald Trump is considering as his running mate, CNN reports.

A senior Trump adviser confirmed that Ernst is being considered, the network reported Sunday. Other candidates known to be on the short-list of vice presidential choices are New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Indiana Gov. Mike Pence.

It is not clear if Ernst, a freshman Republican senator, tea party activist and retired Army officer, is interested in the job.

Ernst's office had not responded to requests for comment, but The Des Moines Register recently reported that Ernst said she had not been contacted by Trump’s campaign and did not expect to be.

There has been speculation that Trump will announce his choice of vice president at the Republican National Convention, which starts on July 18 in Cleveland, although other reports said the decision will come beforehand as a way to build up excitement.

Trump is reportedly looking for someone with political experience, which Trump does not have and which he sees as key to trying to push legislation through Congress.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-Ernst-Vice-President/2016/07/03/id/736883/#ixzz4De7fbCtc
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 06, 2016, 09:21:04 AM
Cory Booker No Longer Denies Being Vetted for VP
Sunday, 03 Jul 2016

New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker is no longer flatly denying that he's being vetted as a potential running mate for presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.
Booker has said in recent weeks that it was flattering to be mentioned but that he wasn't being vetted.

Speaking on CNN's "State of the Union," Booker now says "If you have a question like that, please direct it to the Clinton campaign."

It's possible that Democrats won't want Booker plucked from his Senate seat: New Jersey's Republican governor, Chris Christie, would pick Booker's replacement if he leaves for the White House. Democrats are hoping to win the majority in the Senate this election and might not want to take that chance.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-Campaign-2016-The-Latest/2016/07/03/id/736847/#ixzz4De80HY8S
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 08, 2016, 09:26:20 AM
Trump on Newt Gingrich: 'He's Going to Be Involved'
By Todd Beamon   |   Wednesday, 06 Jul 2016

Donald Trump promised Wednesday that Newt Gingrich "is going to be involved in our government" — even if the former House speaker does not become his running mate.

"I like Newt," the presumptive nominee said amid supporters chanting "Newt, Newt!" in Cincinnati. "Newt has been my friend for a long time.

Gingrich, 73, who represented Georgia in the House for two decades, introduced Trump at the rally.

"I'm not saying anything — and I'm not telling even Newt anything, but I can tell you in one form or another, Newt Gingrich is going to be involved with our government," Trump said.

"That I can tell you. He's going to be involved.

"He's smart. He's tough. He gets it. Newt's going to be involved."

Trump also widely slammed CNN — even dubbing it "the Clinton News Network" at one point — over its weekend coverage of a Twitter post attacking Hillary Clinton that was attacked for being anti-Semitic.

"CNN's terrible to me," he said. "Terrible. No. They're dishonest.

"I don't watch it anymore. In life, when something is unpleasant, don't watch it. Turn to something else. That's what I do. I don't watch it anymore.

"When people treat you unfairly, turn your back or go someplace else," Trump said.

The billionaire came under heavy fire for his Saturday tweet that labeled Clinton as "the most corrupt candidate ever" and featured the Star of David and the former first lady's image against a backdrop of money.

"To me, it was just a star — but when I really looked, it looked like a sheriff's star," Trump said. "But CNN started this dialogue going it's the Star of David, and because it's the Star of David, Donald Trump is racist.

"These people are sick, folks. I'm telling you. They're sick. They're sick."

"Don't watch it. Don't watch it anymore."

The tweet was quickly reposted with a circle instead of the star, but Trump said it should have remained.

"You shouldn't have taken it down," he said. "They took the star down.

"I said, 'Too bad, you should have left it up.' I would have rather defended it.

"Just leave it up," Trump said. "That's just a star."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/donald-trump-newt-gingrich-vp-will-be-involved/2016/07/06/id/737436/#ixzz4DpqJAUTd
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 08, 2016, 09:28:12 AM
Fox News Electoral Map: Clinton has 2016 edge, but many toss-ups in play
Published July 07, 2016 
FoxNews.com
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2016/07/07/fox-news-electoral-map-clinton-has-2016-edge-but-many-toss-ups-in-play/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1467919955208.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

Hillary Clinton has the edge over Donald Trump on the 2016 electoral map, but over a dozen states could be in play and nobody is a lock, according to new Fox News projections released Thursday.

The Fox News AEHQ Electoral Map projections show Clinton with a projected 227 electoral votes in her corner, when states considered solidly Democratic and leaning Democratic in the November election are counted.

Trump has a projected 191 electoral votes when states considered solidly Republican and leaning Republican are counted.

But it takes 270 electoral votes to win the presidency – and neither candidate can get there without winning in toss-up territory.

“Hillary Clinton starts off with an advantage,” said Daron Shaw, Fox News pollster and University of Texas political science professor. “But as always, if you look at the toss-up states, this thing is going to be much more competitive, I think, than maybe a lot of us thought.”

According to the Fox News projections, 120 electoral votes are at stake across nine states considered pure toss-ups. These include traditional battlegrounds like Ohio and Florida, but also North Carolina, Virginia and Pennsylvania.

And several additional states could be brought into play. Wisconsin and Michigan, for instance, “lean” Democrat, but Shaw suggested Trump could put them in play given his appeal to union members and others. Likewise, Arizona and Georgia “lean” Republican, but Clinton enjoys “core Democratic constituencies” in those states, Shaw said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/07/fox-news-electoral-map-clinton-has-2016-edge-but-many-toss-ups-in-play.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2016, 02:00:19 PM
Trump VP short-lister Flynn clarifies abortion stance, says he's 'pro-life'
By  Jennifer Griffin 
Published July 11, 2016
FoxNews.com

Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, considered a potential pick for Donald Trump’s running mate, insisted Monday that he is “pro-life” – clarifying his stance on abortion after riling conservatives by calling it a woman’s choice. 

Flynn told Fox News he is a “pro-life Democrat,” while describing it as a legal matter. 

“This pro-choice issue is a legal issue that should be decided by the courts. I believe in law. If people want to change the law, they should vote so that we can appoint pro-life judges. I believe the law should be changed,” Flynn told Fox News.

A day earlier, Flynn had told ABC’s “This Week” that women are the ones who “have to make the decision [on abortion] because they are the ones that are going to decide to bring up that child or not.”

He faced a swift backlash from pro-life groups.

“His pro-abortion position is unacceptable and would undermine the pro-life policy commitments that Mr. Trump has made throughout the campaign," Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, said in a statement.

She said the abortion position disqualifies him to be Trump’s running mate

On Monday, though, Flynn said his priorities are “national security.” He said this election is not about “social issues, gay rights and abortion rights.”

Flynn is one of several people Trump is considering for vice president.

Others include Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Flynn is a Democrat who served as Defense Intelligence Agency director under President Obama. Since leaving the administration, he has become an outspoken critic of administration policies.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/11/trump-vp-short-lister-flynn-clarifies-abortion-stance-says-hes-pro-life.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2016, 09:40:58 AM
Quinnipiac Poll: Clinton Loses Ground on Morals, Honesty in Swing States
By Sandy Fitzgerald
13 Jul 2016

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had lost serious ground to her GOP rival, Donald Trump, in three major swing states following a hit to her ratings on moral standards and honesty, according to a new Quinnipiac University survey, but pollsters said there appears to be no "definite link" between the drop in honesty points and the U.S. Justice Department's decision not to prosecute her over her use of a private email server while secretary of state.

According to the new poll, released early Wednesday morning, Clinton and trump are in a dead heat in Ohio, while Trump leads her in Florida and Pennsylvania in numbers that show a definite drop since the last poll on June 21:

Florida: Trump 42-39 percent, compared to 47-39 percent for Clinton on June 21;
Ohio: Clinton 41 - Trump 41, compared to a 40-40 percent tie on June 21;
Pennsylvania: Trump 43-41 percent, compared to Clinton, 42-41 percent on June 21.

The poll focuses on Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, because no candidate has won the presidency since 1960 without winning at least two of the three states.
When third-party candidates added in, Trump continued to hold a lead in all three states:

Florida: Trump over Clinton 41-36 percent, with 7 percent for Libertarian Gary Johnson and 4 percent for Green Party candidate Jill Stein;
Ohio: Trump, 37-36 percent, with Johnson at 7 percent and Stein at 6 percent;
Pennsylvania: Trump, 40 - 34 percent with 9 percent for Johnson and 3 percent for Stein.

"While there is no definite link between Clinton's drop in Florida and the U.S. Justice Department decision not to prosecute her for her handling of e-mails, she has lost ground to Trump on questions which measure moral standards and honesty," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

In state breakdowns:

Florida:
Men: Trump, 50-29 percent;
Women: Clinton 48 - 36 percent, compared to 52 - 34 percent in June;
Independents: Trump, 44-35 percent; compared to 44 - 35 percent for Clinton in June;
Republicans: Trump, 82 - 6 percent;
Democrats, Clinton, 87 - 4 percent;
White voters: Trump, 54 - 30 percent;
Non-white voters, Clinton 56 - 21 percent.
Favorability ratings: Trump, 38-54 percent; Clinton, 35-59 percent;

And in a comparison of other traits:
53 - 37 percent, Clinton is better prepared to be president;
42 - 42 percent tie on who has higher moral standards, wiping out a 47 - 36 percent Clinton lead on this measure June 21;
52 - 35 percent that Clinton is more intelligent;
50 - 37 percent that Trump is more honest and trustworthy, up from 43 - 40 percent.
54 - 39 percent that Trump would be better creating jobs;
49 - 45 percent that he would do better on immigration;
57 - 35 percent that Trump would be more effective against ISIS.

In Ohio:
Men: Trump 47 - 33 percent;
Women: Clinton 48 - 35 percent.;
White voters: Trump, 46 - 35 percent;
Non-white voters: Clinton, 69 - 15 percent;
Republicans: 77 - 6 percent, Trump;
Independents: 43 - 31 percent, Trump;
Democrats: Clinton, 90-4 percent.
Favorability ratings: Clinton, 35 - 60 percent; Trump, 34 - 59 percent.

Comparing other traits, voters say:
57 - 34 percent that Clinton is better prepared to be president;
43-42 percent, Clinton has higher moral standards;
52 - 35 percent that Clinton is more intelligent;
47 - 37 percent that Trump is more honest and trustworthy.
Better creating jobs, Trump, 54 - 39 percent;
Immigration ,Clinton, 48-45;
More effective against ISIS: Trump, 51-40 percent;
Responding to an international crisis: Clinton, 50-43 percent.
 
Pennsylvania:
Men: Trump;, 48-37 percent;
Women: Clinton, 43 - 39 percent;
White voters: Trump, 51-33 percent;
Non-white voters: Clinton, 72-12 percent;
Republicans, Trump, 82-5 percent;
Democrats: Clinton, 82-9 percent;
Independent voters: Trump, 39-36 percent.
Favorability ratings: Clinton, 31-65 percent; Trump, 38-57 percent.

In other traits:
56 - 36 percent, Clinton is better prepared to be president;
43-41 percent, Clinton has higher moral standards;
51 - 37 percent, Clinton is more intelligent;
49 - 34 percent, Trump is more honest and trustworthy;
Better creating jobs, Trump, 54-39 percent;
Immigration, Trump, 49-47 percent;
More effective against ISIS, Trump, 52 - 40 percent;
Responding to an international crisis, Clinton, 52 - 43 percent.

For the poll,conducted between June 30-July 11, Quinnipiac surveyed 1,015 Florida voters with a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points; 955 Ohio voters with a margin of error of 3.2 points; 982 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/clinton-morality-honesty-quinnipiac/2016/07/13/id/738376/#ixzz4EJ8TnRc3
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 14, 2016, 10:12:23 AM
Reports: Trump Picks Pence as His Running Mate
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Image: Reports: Trump Picks Pence as His Running Mate (Aaron P. Bernstein/Getty Images)
Thursday, 14 Jul 2016

Republican Donald Trump chose Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his vice presidential running mate on Thursday, according to multiple reports.

The move puts at Trump's side a conservative with the potential to unify divided Republicans.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee is to announce his choice on Friday at 11 a.m. in Manhattan. The choice of Pence was first reported by Roll Call, with The New York Times and CBS News following suit.

Trump is to be formally nominated as the party's candidate for the Nov. 8 election at the Republican National Convention next week in Cleveland. Traditionally, the vice presidential choice is used to build enthusiasm among party loyalists.

Trump's choice of running mate is seen as critical because his defeat of 16 rivals in the Republican primary race left the party divided and some party leaders are still uneasy about some of his campaign positions, and his style.

Roll Call said Trump was reportedly impressed with Pence's calm demeanor, his experience on Capitol Hill and as a governor, and Pence's potential to assist in governing if Trump wins in November. Trump, a New York businessman, has never held elected office.

Trump had also considered former House of Representatives Speaker Newt Gingrich and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie as finalists.

Gingrich told an ABC News correspondent earlier that he expected to hear Trump's decision after 1 p.m. EDT and would not be surprised if Trump chose Pence.

Pence, 57, a former congressman, is seen as a safe choice, not too flashy but popular among conservatives, with Midwestern appeal and the ability to rally more party faithful behind Trump.

TESTING CHEMISTRY

Pence and Trump spent time this month testing their chemistry at Trump's golf course in New Jersey and at the governor's residence in Indiana, Roll Call said.

Pence had backed a Trump rival, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, in April before the Indiana primary, but he praised Trump and said he would work on behalf of the eventual Republican nominee. Trump won Indiana anyway, prompting Cruz to drop out of the party race to be the nominee for the election.

Pence had considered running for president himself in 2016 before deciding to run for re-election as governor. Conservatives had urged him to seek the White House, but missteps in 2015 related to an Indiana law seen as anti-gay hurt his national profile.

This year, he was the target of a mocking social media campaign by women outraged at a law he signed creating new restrictions on abortions. Feeling that the law invaded their privacy, women responded by calling Pence's office to describe their menstrual periods or tweeting similar messages.

Pence ran unsuccessfully for Congress twice before he was elected to the House of Representatives in 2000, where he was chairman of the Republican Study Committee, a group of conservatives.

FLURRY OF MEETINGS

In what has been an unusually public process of making his choice of running mate, Trump, 70, sat down with both Pence and Gingrich separately in Indianapolis on Wednesday.

He also met with a fourth potential No. 2, U.S. Senator Jeff Sessions, 69, of Alabama, who has been one of Trump's closest advisers.

Trump had dinner with Pence on Tuesday night after they appeared together at a rally. Joined by daughter Ivanka and sons Donald Jr. and Eric Trump, Trump also had breakfast with Pence and his wife, Karen, on Wednesday at the governor's residence in Indianapolis.

Trump adviser Ed Brookover told CNN that Trump "first and foremost" wants a running mate who he has good chemistry with and someone who can help him govern best.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-pence-vice-president/2016/07/14/id/738648/#ixzz4EP6zKwQK
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 15, 2016, 10:07:02 AM
Trump Makes it Official: Pence Is My VP Pick
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Friday, 15 Jul 2016

Donald Trump announced Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his running mate on Friday, adding significant government experience to his outsider campaign for the White House.
"I am pleased to announce that I have chosen Governor Mike Pence as my Vice Presidential running mate. News conference tomorrow at 11:00 A.M.," he tweeted.

Donald J. Trump  ✔@realDonaldTrump
I am pleased to announce that I have chosen Governor Mike Pence as my Vice Presidential running mate. News conference tomorrow at 11:00 A.M.
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The choice of Pence, 57, who previously served in the U.S. House of Representatives for 12 years, was a nod to the socially conservative wing of the Republican Party and to the Rust Belt, a region crucial to presumptive presidential nominee's chances of victory.

An Indiana native and former radio-talk show host who became a born-again Christian in college, Pence has championed limited government and social causes, such as opposition to abortion, that appealed to conservatives and evangelicals.

Chaotic Run-Up

Anticipation -- and confusion -- ran high surrounding Trump's running-mate choice after he scrapped a planned announcement event scheduled for Friday in light of a deadly terrorist attack in France. Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort said Friday in TV interviews that Trump was now planning a weekend announcement before the campaign moved to Cleveland for the Republican National Convention that starts there Monday, and that he didn’t think Trump’s choice would be officially revealed anytime on Friday.

CNN later reported, citing an unidentified source, that the Trump campaign was in fact planning to announce Pence's selection Friday, then for Trump and Pence to campaign together for the first time Saturday in Bedminster, New Jersey.

The strike, which left at least 84 people dead and was labeled an act of terrorism by French President Francois Hollande, was just the latest violent event to roil the U.S. presidential race.

It follows American unrest over recent police killings of black men, the sniper killings of five Dallas police officers, and attacks by Islamic State sympathizers in Orlando, Florida, and abroad -- all highlighting intractable domestic and international issues that Trump or presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would face as president.

Religious-Freedom Law

Pence was facing a difficult re-election fight this year in a rematch of his 2012 race against Democrat John Gregg after controversy erupted over a religious-freedom law he signed last year. It drew swift opposition from business executives and gay-rights groups as being discriminatory.

Pence later sought and signed a measure that bars businesses from refusing to serve gays and lesbians on religious grounds to quell the furor.

The Indiana governor backed Texas Senator Ted Cruz in the state's May 3 Republican presidential primary that Trump won with 53 percent of the vote. Yet Pence complimented the real-estate developer and TV personality before the balloting for giving "voice to the frustration of millions of working Americans with a lack of progress in Washington, D.C.," and he made it clear afterward that he was supporting Trump to defeat Clinton.

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"Now that the primaries are over, it’s time to come together," Pence said during a speech at the Indiana Republican Party's convention on June 11. "For the sake of our troops who deserve a commander-in-chief who will have their back, for the sake of working Hoosiers and job creators who need Washington, D.C., off their back, for the sake of the sanctity of life, and the Second Amendment, and the Supreme Court of the United States of America, we must resolve today that Indiana will be the first state on the board to make Donald Trump the 45th president."

Midwest Roots

Pence could help Trump appeal to establishment Republicans seeking government experience on the ticket as well as conservatives wary of Trump’s commitment to their views on social issues.

Indiana has been a reliably Republican state in presidential election since 1936, voting Democratic only in 1964 and narrowly for Barack Obama in 2008 since then. Trump hopes to win in part by carrying Rust Belt states that have been voting Democratic in presidential races. Pennsylvania and Michigan haven’t picked a Republican since 1988, while Wisconsin’s last vote for a Republican was in 1984 and Ohio supported Obama in the past two elections.

It’s not clear that Pence—who had a 47 percent approval rating in Indiana in a November Ball State University poll—would extend any advantages to Trump in states beyond his own. A plurality of voters say a vice presidential candidate matters to them somewhat, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll published Thursday. Thirty percent say it matters a lot and about a third say it doesn't really matter to them, according to the poll.

Pence, who is married with three children, was elected to Congress in 2000 after he lost campaigns in 1988, when he was 29 years old, and again in 1990. He served as Republican conference chairman in 2009-2010 and was chairman in 2005-2006 of the Republican Study Committee, a key bloc of House conservatives. Pence challenged John Boehner for House minority leader in 2006 and lost by a wide margin following the party’s setback in that year’s midterms.

House Career

In the House, Pence broke from other party leaders when he thought they were too willing to abandon principles of fiscal restraint and reducing the size of the federal government. He opposed the 2001 No Child Left Behind education law that had broad bipartisan support and the 2003 Medicare prescription drug law, both initiatives of fellow Republican George W. Bush's administration.

Pence was mentioned as a possible Republican presidential candidate this year after he won approval of what was billed as the largest state tax cut in Indiana history in 2014. He opted to run for re-election instead.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the top contributor to Pence’s congressional campaigns was the Club For Growth, an organization that is dogmatic about cutting taxes and the size of government—and that has feuded with Trump in the 2016 White House race. Industrialist David Koch is among the leading individual donors to Pence's races for governor with $300,000, data from the National Institute on Money in State Politics shows.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/trump-pence-tweet-vice-president/2016/07/15/id/738844/#ixzz4EUvj8r4Q
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 15, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
Democrats ‘freaked out’ about polls in meeting with Clinton
By Alexander Bolton - 07/14/16

Nervous Senate Democrats raised concerns with Hillary Clinton during a private meeting in the Capitol Thursday over a recent poll showing Donald Trump leading or tied in several battleground states.

“Some people were freaked out, they were looking down at the polls on RealClearPolitics and asking why it was so close,” said a Democratic senator who attended the meeting, referring to a website lawmakers were checking out on their personal devices.

Clinton’s response?
“She said there are other issues. People are unhappy and they don’t trust institutions,” the senator explained.

A second Democratic source in the meeting confirmed there was “a mention of the Florida poll.”

A Quinnipiac University poll released this week showed the presumptive GOP presidential nominee up 42 percent to 39 percent in swing state Florida. Clinton had an 8-point lead in Quinnipiac’s poll of the state last month.

The same survey showed Trump ahead 2 points in Pennsylvania, another big swing state, and tied in Ohio. The three states have been pivotal in the last four presidential elections.

The source emphasized that no one suggested Clinton wasn’t running a strong race or questioned her performance.

Instead, it was an acknowledgement that the presidential race will be very close even though many Washington-based strategists and pundits across the ideological spectrum question Trump’s seriousness as a candidate.

“There was concern raised about the race because we know it’s going to be a close race,” said the source.

A senior Senate Democratic aide, who was not in the meeting, acknowledged that senators have raised concerns about the closeness of the polls at other times.

“We wouldn't be Democrats if there weren't a few bed-wetters,” the aide said.

But the aide said Democratic lawmakers have felt reassured that when the margin between Clinton and Trump narrows, it’s because Clinton’s numbers dip, not because Trump’s climb.

Clinton suffered a public relations blow earlier this month when FBI Director James Comey issued a statement criticizing her for being “extremely careless” in handling classified material over a private email server when she was secretary of State.

Senate Democrats are especially vested in the race because they’re resting their hopes of winning back Senate control on Clinton winning in November.

A study published last year by the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics showed a high correlation between presidential and Senate results historically. In 2012, the correlation was 0.78; a perfect correlation is 1.

The sense of uneasiness among Senate Democrats is heightened by their observation that Trump has stayed within striking distance in pivotal states despite being vastly outspent.

NBC News reported this week that Clinton’s campaign and allied super-PACs have spent $57 million so far, while Trump’s campaign hasn’t spent anything, and two allied outside groups have spent only $3.6 million.

Team Clinton has outspent Team Trump in nine battleground states by a 40-1 ratio, NBC reported.

Nevertheless, Democratic senators praised the meeting as “good” and “productive.”

“It was very good. People were very excited to have her there,” said Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.).

Sen. Bob Casey Jr. (D-Pa.) said “there were questions that pertained to the campaign and strategy and things like that,” but he declined to talk about polling.

He added there’s broad recognition within the caucus that the presidential contest won’t be a cakewalk.

“It wasn’t just a meeting where everyone said 'everything is fine, don’t worry about it.' We know this is going to be a tough election. We see it all around us, and we have to be prepared for a close election,” he said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/287845-democrats-freaked-out-about-polls-in-meeting-with-clinton
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on July 15, 2016, 10:12:17 AM
I thought Trump said no VP announcement friday because it'd be inappropriate?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 15, 2016, 10:21:00 AM
I thought Trump said no VP announcement friday because it'd be inappropriate?

bottom line - are you voting for Hillary yes or no?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on July 15, 2016, 11:08:11 AM
bottom line - are you voting for Hillary yes or no?

fck no.   libertarian.  unless trump is ousted at the convention, which I still believe in.  Then whoever takes his slot.

he's just too dangerous and will give us 8 years of hilary.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on July 15, 2016, 11:40:10 AM
fck no.   libertarian.  unless trump is ousted at the convention, which I still believe in.  Then whoever takes his slot.

he's just too dangerous and will give us 8 years of hilary.

Fact: You are either going to live in Trump town or Hillary town, that's the 2 choices. You can protest all you want, you can waste a vote on open- borders-Johnson but that doesn't accomplish anything but help elect Hillary in the end and get you moved to Hillary Town.


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on July 15, 2016, 01:02:58 PM
Fact: You are either going to live in Trump town or Hillary town, that's the 2 choices. You can protest all you want, you can waste a vote on open- borders-Johnson but that doesn't accomplish anything but help elect Hillary in the end and get you moved to Hillary Town.




It's not a wasted vote if you vote for what you believe.

If anything people should do so to move towards the end of the 2 party system.

If not. You're saying the status quo is ok with you.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on July 15, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
Fact: You are either going to live in Trump town or Hillary town, that's the 2 choices. You can protest all you want, you can waste a vote on open- borders-Johnson but that doesn't accomplish anything but help elect Hillary in the end and get you moved to Hillary Town.




I shall have to agree with you in 6 or 7 days.   Until then... hope remains  :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 18, 2016, 09:51:25 AM
It's not a wasted vote if you vote for what you believe.

If anything people should do so to move towards the end of the 2 party system.

If not. You're saying the status quo is ok with you.

I agree.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 18, 2016, 11:41:10 AM
It's not a wasted vote if you vote for what you believe.

If anything people should do so to move towards the end of the 2 party system.

If not. You're saying the status quo is ok with you.

Your vote wasted if you hope to vote for a winner.  If you vote simply to make a point, it is not wasted. Unfortunately, folks will likely never hear your voice/opinion.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 19, 2016, 09:27:49 AM
Watchdog: HUD's Castro violated federal law by touting Clinton in interview
Published July 19, 2016 
FoxNews.com

Housing Secretary and potential Democratic vice-presidential prospect Julian Castro violated federal law when he touted Hillary Clinton's candidacy in a media interview earlier this year, according to a federal watchdog report released Monday.

The seven-page report by the U.S. Office of Special Counsel concluded Castro violated the Hatch Act, which bars most Executive Branch officials from expressing their political views while on official business. According to the report, he crossed the line during an April 4 interview that mostly was about HUD’s plans to increase Internet access to children and other agency-related issues.

Castro, though, responded to a question during the Yahoo News interview about Clinton’s presidential bid.

“Taking off my HUD hat for a second and speaking individually,” Castro said, while going on to call Clinton the most experienced 2016 candidate and criticizing Republicans. BuzzFeed News first reported on the OSC findings.

“Castro’s statements during the interview impermissibly mixed his personal political views with official agency business, despite his efforts to clarify that some answers were being given in his personal capacity,” states the OSC report, which will now be referred to President Obama, who will decide on what if any action to take.

Castro is considered a potential running-mate pick for Clinton as she prepares to name her choice going into the Democratic convention next week.

Castro, in response to the report findings, said he thought during the interview that he avoided violating the act but agreed with the OSC findings.

“I offered my opinion to the interviewer after making it clear that I was articulating my personal view and not an official position,” he said. “At the time, I believed that this disclaimer was what was required by the Hatch Act. However, your analysis provides that it was not sufficient.”

He also purportedly plans to provide training for top agency officials to avoid future violations.

The Obama administration recently said Cabinet-level officials like Castro cannot speak at next week’s Democratic National Convention in support of Clinton, the party’s presumptive presidential nominee.

In 2012, the OSC, which focuses on Hatch Act violations, concluded then-Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius also was in violation when she said at a Human Rights Campaign event that Obama should be reelected.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/19/watchdog-huds-castro-violated-federal-law-by-touting-clinton-in-interview.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 19, 2016, 05:13:57 PM
Now that would be an outside the box choice.

Ret. Admiral, Potential Hillary VP, 'Leaning' Toward Voting For Her
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Image: Ret. Admiral, Potential Hillary VP, 'Leaning' Toward Voting For Her   Ret. Admiral James Stavridis (Janek Skarzynski/Getty Images) 
By Jason Devaney   |    Tuesday, 19 Jul 2016

The retired admiral who is being vetted by the Hillary Clinton campaign as a potential running mate  said this week he's "leaning" toward voting for the former first lady in November.

Admiral James Stavridis said on the Kilmeade and Friends radio show Tuesday he's not all that interested in serving as vice president someday. But when asked who he plans to vote for, he pointed at Clinton.

"At this point, I would say that I would lean toward Secretary Clinton from everything I have seen thus far," said Stavridis, who is a registered independent.

He added, however, "I am very comfortable with making that decision in the privacy of my own home."

Earlier in the interview, Stavridis joked about his small stature.

"On a good day, I stand about 5-foot-5," he said. "When they called me up and said, 'Hey, you're on the shortlist,' I thought, 'You must talking about my height.'"

The admiral also joked about trying to fit his last name onto a bumper sticker.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/james-stavridisvetting-vp-leaning-hillary/2016/07/19/id/739493/#ixzz4Eu3cP3dN
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 20, 2016, 12:26:10 PM
Two names emerge from Clinton’s VP deliberations: Kaine and Vilsack
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By Anne Gearan and Abby Phillip
July 19, 2016 

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and Sen. Timothy M. Kaine of Virginia have emerged as the leading candidates on a longer list of finalists Hillary Clinton is considering for her vice-presidential running mate, according to interviews with multiple Democrats with knowledge of her deliberations.

Although her list is not limited to those two, Clinton has spoken highly of both in recent days to friends and advisers as she closes in on an announcement that could come as soon as Friday.

President Obama is among those who have advised Clinton on her decision, offering thoughts on the two contenders who serve in his Cabinet, Vilsack and Labor Secretary Thomas Perez, several Democrats said. These individuals did not say what advice the president gave.

. . . .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/two-names-emerge-from-clintons-vp-deliberations-kaine-and-vilsack/2016/07/19/62189146-4d2d-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 21, 2016, 09:36:05 AM
Ted Cruz Didn’t Endorse Trump At Trump’s Own Convention
07/20/2016
Sam Stein
Senior Politics Editor, The Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-trump_us_579019fde4b0bdddc4d31d0c

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 21, 2016, 09:37:30 AM
Governor Pence's convention speech.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 21, 2016, 09:42:23 AM
Governor Pence's convention speech.



Laura Ingraham was great
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 21, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
Laughing at the Huffington Post's headline. Even though Trump was selected to be the republican presidential nominee, I believe it is not his convention, but the republican national convention.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 22, 2016, 09:37:42 AM
Senior Dems Concerned That Clinton Is Spending Millions on Ads That Aren’t Working
Heatstreet ^ | 22 Jul 2016 | Emily Zanotti
Posted on 7/22/2016, 12:02:21 PM by mandaladon

Some Democrats are privately worrying that Hillary Clinton has been spending too much money and seeing too few results.

Clinton, who has way more cash on hand than Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, has been outspending the New York real estate mogul at a rate of 15-1 but has seen her lead shrink to single digits in certain key states.

According to The Hill, senior Democrats met with Clinton in DC on Monday and mentioned a recent Florida poll that showed Trump pulling ahead in the Sunshine State. They questioned whether Clinton was really running her campaign effectively, having spent about $47 million in television ads.

Trump himself has spent next to nothing. A few SuperPACs and the NRA have run around $3 million in anti-Clinton ads, focusing only on her position on the Second Amendment.

The good news for Clinton is that the worrywarts were a minority, even among the professional strategists in the meeting, according to one source at the table. That source said the concern was largely voiced by “bed-wetters.”

But Clinton needs to start pulling ahead of Trump if she intends to sustain the lead all the way through November. Trump will likely get a polling boost from his convention speech, and while some Republicans are splitting off the party in protest, led by Ted Cruz, who is trying to make them feel better about their decision to abstain, Trump supporters are feeling stronger than ever.

(Excerpt) Read more at heatst.com ...

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: andreisdaman on July 22, 2016, 09:39:57 AM
Senior Dems Concerned That Clinton Is Spending Millions on Ads That Aren’t Working
Heatstreet ^ | 22 Jul 2016 | Emily Zanotti
Posted on 7/22/2016, 12:02:21 PM by mandaladon

Some Democrats are privately worrying that Hillary Clinton has been spending too much money and seeing too few results.

Clinton, who has way more cash on hand than Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, has been outspending the New York real estate mogul at a rate of 15-1 but has seen her lead shrink to single digits in certain key states.

According to The Hill, senior Democrats met with Clinton in DC on Monday and mentioned a recent Florida poll that showed Trump pulling ahead in the Sunshine State. They questioned whether Clinton was really running her campaign effectively, having spent about $47 million in television ads.

Trump himself has spent next to nothing. A few SuperPACs and the NRA have run around $3 million in anti-Clinton ads, focusing only on her position on the Second Amendment.

The good news for Clinton is that the worrywarts were a minority, even among the professional strategists in the meeting, according to one source at the table. That source said the concern was largely voiced by “bed-wetters.”

But Clinton needs to start pulling ahead of Trump if she intends to sustain the lead all the way through November. Trump will likely get a polling boost from his convention speech, and while some Republicans are splitting off the party in protest, led by Ted Cruz, who is trying to make them feel better about their decision to abstain, Trump supporters are feeling stronger than ever.

(Excerpt) Read more at heatst.com ...



There simply is no getting around the fact that she is totally unlikeable...no matter how much money she spends
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 22, 2016, 11:07:33 AM
Trump's convention speech:

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 22, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
True to form.  No class.  And this man could be president?

Trump buries bitter rival Cruz in farewell to Cleveland
Published July 22, 2016
FoxNews.com

Donald Trump said goodbye to Cleveland Friday, pronouncing the Republican National Convention a yuge success and launching a barrage of parting shots at GOP rival Ted Cruz, who refused to endorse Trump in a controversial speech that got the Texas senator booed off the stage.

The vindictive victory lap laid bare Trump's simmering anger at Cruz, who brought drama to Quicken Loans Arena on Wednesday when he began a speech to cheers and ended it by garnering a raucous chorus of boos after he refused to endorse the man who had bested him.

“I like Ted, he’s fine,” Trump said in a trademark, ad-libbed press conference. “I don’t need his endorsement. If he gives it to me, I will not accept it.”

Trump said if Cruz had endorsed him, it may have brightened his former rival's future presidential prospects.

"He should have done it," Trump said. "He would have been in better shape in four years."

Added Trump: "He's got intellect, but he didn't use it."

Speaking 12 hours after his historic acceptance speech, and with running mate and Indiana Gov. Mike Pence at his side, Trump praised his children, and predicted a major bounce coming out of the four-day convention. But the GOP nominee spent most of the news conference pounding Cruz, who finished second to Trump in a bruising primary campaign that began as a field of 17.

Trump dredged through a primary’s worth of animosity with Cruz, blasting him repeatedly while basking in the glow of his victory.

While Trump and Cruz initially steered clear of criticizing each other as other candidates fell by the wayside, the gloves came off once state primaries and caucuses began. A Cruz super PAC ran an ad featuring a racy picture of Trump’s former supermodel wife, Melania, in an effort to tar him in the conservative state.

Trump responded with a retweet that showed Melania side-by-side with an unflattering picture of Cruz’s wife, Heidi, and the words:  “No need to ‘spill the beans.’ The images are worth a thousand words.”

On Friday, Trump managed to praise Heidi while delivering a stinging backhanded blow to Cruz.

“I think Heidi Cruz is a great person,” Trump said yesterday. “I think she’s the best thing he’s got going, (that) and his kids.”

Trump was just getting started in settling his score with Cruz, who he allowed to speak in a prime time slot on Wednesday, even though Cruz declined to endorse him. Trump predicted Cruz would never mount a serious campaign for president and said that if he does, “maybe I’ll start a super PAC” to attack him.

Hopes that the two could bury the hatchet and unite the party disappeared when Cruz spoke on Wednesday, urging Republicans to “vote your conscience” but refusing to accede to chants of “Endorse Trump” that were followed by a loud chorus of boos.

During the campaign, Cruz bitterly lashed out at Trump when the National Enquirer, which had also ran an unsubstantiated story accusing him of having multiple affairs, published a picture purportedly of Cruz’s father, Rafael Cruz, standing near Lee Harvey Oswald. Trump mentioned the story in multiple interviews, clearly angering Cruz.

“[I’m not going to] come like a servile puppy dog and say, ‘thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father,’” Cruz told Texas delegates during a sometimes contentious meeting Thursday morning.

Trump took a shot at Ohio Gov. John Kasich, another primary rival who refused to attend the convention even though it was in his home state.

"Whether you're the governor of Ohio, whether you're a senator from Texas, or any of the other people that I beat so easily and so badly, you have no choice," Trump said. "You've got to go for Trump."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/22/trump-buries-bitter-rival-cruz-in-farewell-to-cleveland.html 

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 22, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
Good choice.  Both Hillary and Trump did a good job with their VP picks.

Clinton names Virginia Sen. Kaine as running mate
Published July 22, 2016 
FoxNews.com

Hillary Clinton on Friday announced Virginia Sen. Timothy Kaine as her running mate, going with an experienced politician seen as a strong centrist who could attract independents and possibly disenchanted Republicans – and most certainly the safe pick.

 “I'm thrilled to announce my running mate, @TimKaine, a man who's devoted his life to fighting for others,” Clinton tweeted ahead of the Democratic National Convention set to kick off Monday in Philadelphia.

In the final deliberations, Clinton was said to be weighing Kaine, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, having whittled down her short-list over the past several weeks.

In Kaine, who also is a former Virginia governor and former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, her campaign is going not with a bulldog or political firestarter but a measured, moderate nice guy with swing-state appeal, including in his home battleground state of Virginia.

The pick comes as the Clinton campaign tries to paint newly anointed Republican nominee Donald Trump as divisive and dangerous, a theme they hit hard coming out of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland. Trump closed his convention Thursday night with a wide-ranging 75-minute acceptance speech heavy on law-and-order themes and promises to put “America first.”

“He offered a lot of fear and anger and resentment, but no solutions about anything that he even talked about,” Clinton countered during a speech to supporters Friday in Tampa, Fla., before the VP announcement.

Kaine isn’t as liberal as some other VP prospects, notably class warrior Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass. – and is unlikely to whip up the base like Clinton’s dogged primary rival Bernie Sanders. But Kaine is an ally, having endorsed Clinton early on in the campaign. He also speaks fluent Spanish, which could be useful in increasing the campaign’s reach among Hispanic voters.

Clinton’s announcement and move to seize the spotlight from Cleveland follows four days of steady attacks by Republicans against the presumptive Democratic nominee – over her email scandal, her reputation for poll-tested politics and her record in public office.

In his nomination acceptance speech, Trump blasted Clinton’s foreign policy record as secretary of state – citing the bloody tumult in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Libya – saying her legacy is “death, destruction, terrorism and weakness” and a “change in leadership” is needed.

“Hillary Clinton’s legacy does not have to be America’s legacy,” he said.

Clinton, over the course of the Democratic veepstakes, also met with several other prospects, including Warren, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, Labor Secretary Tom Perez and Housing Secretary Julian Castro.

Problems surfaced in recent days for a couple of them, notably Castro who was cited by a government watchdog for allegedly violating federal law by touting Clinton’s candidacy in his official capacity during a media interview.

Kaine's selection by Clinton leaves his Senate seat open.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/22/clinton-names-virginia-sen-kaine-as-running-mate.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 23, 2016, 02:32:35 PM
(http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/576af224e866450c7efb74df/master/w_600,c_limit/donald-trump-taxes-medusa-08-2016.jpg)

THE GREAT TRUMP TAX MYSTERIES: IS HE HIDING LOOPHOLES, ERRORS, OR SOMETHING MORE SERIOUS?

Why won’t Donald Trump release his taxes? An investigation into the G.O.P. candidate’s finances—the extensive deductions he could claim, the F.E.C. filings from his Scottish and Irish golf resorts, and his declarations to the British government—reveals a disturbing pattern of mistakes, hype, and contradictions.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/the-great-trump-tax-mysteries (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/the-great-trump-tax-mysteries)

Will the real crooked presidential candidate please stand up.....yes, this means you, Donald Trump!  ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Gregzs on July 24, 2016, 11:17:07 AM
Bloomberg will endorse Clinton at DNC

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dismayed-by-trump-bloomberg-will-endorse-clinton/ar-BBuKThI?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on July 24, 2016, 11:30:50 AM
Bloomberg will endorse Clinton at DNC

NYers loved Bloomberg, many wanted him to run for prez.  Now they'll hate him. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 24, 2016, 02:41:23 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3273404/Democratic-National-Committeewoman-says-party-clearing-path-Hillary-women-charge-want-way.html


LOL - look how ugly those liberal hags are
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 25, 2016, 04:39:59 AM
Trump bounces into the lead
KCCI (CNN) ^ | 5:01 AM CDT Jul 25, 2016 | KCCI (CNN)
Posted on 7/25/2016, 6:25:51 AM by Eurotwit

The bounce is back.

Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.

There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000. That year Al Gore and George W. Bush both boosted their numbers by an identical 8 points post-convention before ultimately battling all the way to the Supreme Court.

The new findings mark Trump's best showing in a CNN/ORC Poll against Clinton since September 2015. Trump's new edge rests largely on increased support among independents, 43% of whom said that Trump's convention in Cleveland left them more likely to back him, while 41% were dissuaded. Pre-convention, independents split 34% Clinton to 31% Trump, with sizable numbers behind Johnson (22%) and Stein (10%). Now, 46% say they back Trump, 28% Clinton, 15% Johnson and 4% Stein.

Trump's newfound lead is also boosted by a sharp increase in support from whites without college degrees. In the new poll they break 62% for Trump to 23% for Clinton, while whites who hold at least a bachelor's degree have actually tilted more pro-Clinton since the convention (from a 40% to 40% split pre-convention to a 44% Clinton to 39% Trump divide now).

The poll also reflects a sharpening of the education divide among whites that has been prevalent throughout the campaign. Among white voters with college degrees, Clinton actually gained ground compared with pre-convention results, going from an even 40% to 40% split to a 44% to 39% edge over Trump. That while Trump expanded his lead with white voters who do not hold a college degree from a 51% to 31% lead before the convention to a 62% to 23% lead now.

Beyond boosting his overall support, Trump's favorability rating is also on the rise (46% of registered voters say they have a positive view, up from 39% pre-convention), while his advantage over Clinton on handling top issues climbs. He now holds double-digit margins over Clinton as more trusted on the economy and terrorism. Trump also cut into Clinton's edge on managing foreign policy (50% said they trusted her more, down from 57% pre-convention).

The convention also helped Trump make strides in his personal image. A majority (52%) now say Trump is running for president for the good of the country rather than personal gain, just 44% say the same about Clinton. He's increased the share who call him honest and trustworthy (from 38% to 43%), and who would be proud to have him as president (from 32% to 39%). And nearly half now say he's in touch with the problems ordinary Americans face in their daily lives (46% say so, 37% did before the convention).

Despite Democratic criticism of the Republican convention's message as divisive, the percentage who say Trump will unite the country rather than divide it has increased to 42%, compared with 34% pre-convention.

Clinton's ratings on these same measures took a hit, though in most cases her drop-off was not quite as large as Trump's gain. Perhaps most troubling for the Clinton supporters gathering in Philadelphia this week: 68% now say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, her worst rating on that measure in CNN/ORC polling.

Those positives for Trump come despite some sharply negative reviews for the convention itself. Almost 6 in 10 (58%) said the Republican convention spent too much time attacking Democrats, and 18% called Trump's speech "terrible," the highest by far since CNN started began the question in 1996. Still, 40% called the speech excellent or good and about half of voters (45%) said Trump's speech reflected the way they feel about things in the U.S. today; 48% said it did not reflect their views.

The public rendered a split decision on whether the convention made them more or less likely to back Trump, 42% said more likely while 44% said less so, but the shift in voter preferences suggests the "more likely" side carried more weight. And most came away feeling ready to decide about Trump's fitness for the job: 78% say they already know enough to know whether he'd be a good president. Another 20% think they need more information.

Two prominent convention speakers saw their stock rise post-convention as well. Favorability ratings for Trump's wife, Melania, climbed from 27% pre-convention to 43% post-convention, despite news that her Monday night speech contained passages lifted from Michelle Obama's 2008 Democratic convention speech. Vice Presidential nominee Mike Pence, whose Wednesday speaking slot was largely overshadowed following Ted Cruz's defiant stand on the convention stage, also bolstered the electorate's impression of him, landing at a 39% favorable rating overall, up from 26% pre-convention.

Cruz's move, however, appears to have backfired. While 60% of Republican voters had a positive impression of the former presidential candidate before the convention, just 33% have one now.

The Trump campaign has claimed the visceral negative reaction to Cruz reflected the unity the party feels behind Trump himself. But the poll suggests a large share of Republican voters still need to be won over. The share of Republicans who say their party is "united now" climbed from 16% pre-convention to 24% post-convention, but about half (49%) say it's not united now, but will be by November, and there are still about a quarter who say the party won't unite at all. Further, 45% continue to say they'd prefer someone other than Trump as the nominee.

The CNN/ORC Poll was conducted by telephone July 22-24 among a random national sample of 1,001 adults. Results for the sample of 882 registered voters have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.


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Many liberal NY'rs and hillcvnts are going to need crisis treatment if trump beats her. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 25, 2016, 07:51:17 AM
NATE SILVER: Donald Trump would most likely win the election if it were held today
Business Insider ^ | 07/25/2016 | Allan Smith
Posted on 7/25/2016, 10:46:45 AM by MaxistheBest

If the election were held Monday, Donald Trump would likely win.

That's what renowned statistician Nate Silver projected on Monday for his data journalism outlet FiveThirtyEight.

In his "Now-cast" election model for who would win if ballots were cast Monday, Silver gave the Republican nominee a 57.5% chance of winning the presidency.

Presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton had a 42.5% chance of securing the nation's highest office if voters were to take to the polls Monday.

Silver's model had Trump winning in the swing states of Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire. He would win 285 electoral votes in Silver's model.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 25, 2016, 08:56:04 AM
Donald Trump bounces into the lead
CNN ^ | July 25th, 2016 | By Jennifer Agiesta
Posted on 7/25/2016, 9:09:10 AM by Mariner

(CNN)The bounce is back.

Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.

There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000. That year Al Gore and George W. Bush both boosted their numbers by an identical 8 points post-convention before ultimately battling all the way to the Supreme Court.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 25, 2016, 09:01:19 AM
Donald Trump bounces into the lead
CNN ^ | July 25th, 2016 | By Jennifer Agiesta
Posted on 7/25/2016, 9:09:10 AM by Mariner

(CNN)The bounce is back.

Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.

There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000. That year Al Gore and George W. Bush both boosted their numbers by an identical 8 points post-convention before ultimately battling all the way to the Supreme Court.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...



Let's pray Trump doesn't see this as a sign to up the stupid.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 25, 2016, 09:02:24 AM
Let's pray Trump doesn't see this as a sign to up the stupid.

The thing too is that Trump has spent no money at all thus far. 

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 25, 2016, 09:07:14 AM
Cleveland Bounce: Donald Trump Surges to 44 Percent, With Hillary Clinton at 40 Percent
Breitbart.com ^ | 25 Jul 2016 | Neil W. McCabe
Posted on 7/25/2016, 8:25:04 AM by Rockitz

Donald Trump, the GOP nominee for president, vaulted to a four point lead over Hillary Clinton just prior to the Democratic National Convention this week in Philadelphia, according to a Morning Consult poll of 2,502 registered voters.

Trump now leads Clinton 44 percent to 40 percent, says the poll, which was conducted from July 22 through July 24. It has an error margin of 2 percent.

The New York City developer’s lead is a sizable swing from the past week, when Clinton was clinging to a 2-point lead, wrote Kyle Dropp, Morning Consult’s executive director of polling, and Cameron Easley, the firm’s managing editor.

“Trump has been on a positive trend since the Department of Justice determined that there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute Clinton for her use of a private email server for official business while serving in the Obama administration,” Dopp and Easley said. “The Republican National Convention came in for criticism from much of the major media outlets … [but the] new Morning Consult survey indicates the typical post-convention bump that a party tends to receive following their gathering.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 25, 2016, 09:09:22 AM
The thing too is that Trump has spent no money at all thus far. 



I know, but that's one of the things which concerns me about his possible intent.  And the anti-Trump ads playing his own words are brutal.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 25, 2016, 09:14:55 AM
I know, but that's one of the things which concerns me about his possible intent.  And the anti-Trump ads playing his own words are brutal.

The one w the kids are watching is brutal. 

But - it has had no effect at all 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: andreisdaman on July 25, 2016, 09:43:13 AM
The one w the kids are watching is brutal. 

But - it has had no effect at all 
I think it has....people will remember that
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2016, 10:19:54 AM
 :o

NATE SILVER: Donald Trump would most likely win the election if it were held today

Allan Smith

(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/57960f0688e4a7b32e8ba4bc-1370/gettyimages-578664606.jpg)
Donald Trump. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

If the election were held Monday, Donald Trump would likely win.

That's what renowned statistician Nate Silver projected on Monday for his data journalism outlet FiveThirtyEight.

In his "Now-cast" election model for who would win if ballots were cast Monday, Silver gave the Republican nominee a 57.5% chance of winning the presidency.

Presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton had a 42.5% chance of securing the nation's highest office if voters were to take to the polls Monday.

Silver's model had Trump winning in the swing states of Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire. He would win 285 electoral votes in Silver's model.

It's the first time in Silver's "Now-cast" forecast that Trump has been projected to win.

However, in Silver's polls-only forecast and in his polls-plus forecast, Clinton was still favored to come out on top. In the polls-only model, Clinton had a 53.7% chance of winning, while in the polls-plus model, Silver gave Clinton a 58.2% chance of winning in November. But those numbers are a drastic drop-off from where they recently were — hovering around 80%.

Silver raised eyebrows Friday on Twitter when he pointed out "how plausible it is that Trump could become president."

Nate Silver  ✔@NateSilver538
Don't think people are really grasping how plausible it is that Trump could become president. It's a close election right now.
4:46 PM - 22 Jul 2016
12,572 12,572 Retweets   9,821 9,821 likes

Trump has received a bump in the polls since the Republican National Convention in Cleveland wrapped up last week. He jumped ahead of Clinton in a set of new surveys released Monday.

In the RealClearPolitics average of several polls, Trump pulled ahead of Clinton by 0.2 points on the back of four consecutive polls showing him ahead of the former secretary of state. It's the second time in the entire election cycle that Trump has led Clinton in the coveted polling average.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-silver-donald-trump-polls-2016-7

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 25, 2016, 10:27:04 AM
Shows how awful Hillary is as a candidate.  And how fed up we are with the course we're on, w these professional liars.

Madame H thought she could keep the lie going, but maybe she underestimated us.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 25, 2016, 01:30:00 PM
DNC DISASTER: Hillary Now Trails Trump. Here Are 5 Reasons Why.
AP Photo/J. Scott ApplewhiteAP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
BY: BEN SHAPIRO JULY 25, 2016




If Donald Trump becomes president, Hillary Clinton will have only herself to blame. The latest CNN/ORC poll shows Trump jumping to a five-point lead against her in a four-way race, with Trump at 44 percent and Hillary at 39 percent. Trump is now ahead among independents, 46 percent to 28 percent; before the convention, he was behind 34 percent to 31 percent. Hillary has a 44 percent to 39 percent advantage against Trump among college voters, but he’s ahead among non-college educated white voters by a stunning 62 percent to 23 percent margin. 46 percent of Americans now have a positive view of Trump, an increase of seven points; 52 percent say Trump is running for the good of the country rather than personal gain, as opposed to 44 percent for Hillary; 43 percent say that Trump is honest and trustworthy, and most importantly, 46 percent of Americans say that Trump understands the problems they face in their daily lives.

Meanwhile, a whopping 68 percent of voters say Hillary isn’t honest or trustworthy.

VIDEO: HILLARY CLINTON AND TIM KAINE'S FIRST JOINT INTERVIEW


Her wild political incompetence is now on full display for the entire American public to see. In the last week, she’s made five crucial errors that demonstrate just how terrible she is at the game of politics.

Portraying Trump As “Dark.” Last week, Donald Trump gave an RNC speech in which he focused on America’s problems in unsparing detail. And Hillary and her campaign – accompanied by the media – promptly brushed off those problems as exaggerated. The media universally labeled Trump’s speech “dark” and Hillary’s team began suggesting that America isn’t in particularly dire trouble. That’s incredible incompetence. People obviously feel that America has problems – the polls show that nearly 7 in 10 Americans believe we’re moving in the wrong direction. Hillary’s out of touch – she hasn’t driven a car since the mid-1990s – so naturally, she thinks things are hunky dory.

Picking Tim Kaine. Picking Tim Kaine didn’t change the narrative one iota. It looked like a safe pick for a candidate who thinks she’s ahead. Contrary to conventional wisdom, vice presidential picks don’t in any way guarantee their home states to their running mates. And Tim Kaine is perhaps the most boring pick Hillary could make – at a time when even her old boss, Barack Obama, is saying on national television that Hillary Clinton isn’t the most rousing speaker. Ouch.


Playing The Victim. On Sunday, the following words exited Hillary Clinton’s mouth: “I often feel like there’s the Hillary standard and then there’s the standard for everybody else.” Yes, yes there is. Americans know it. And Hillary doesn’t. She thinks she’s been treated unfairly by life. Americans will never stop laughing at her arrogance.

Brushing Off The DNC Scandal. Hillary’s main job at this convention is to unify her party after a brutal primary with Bernie Sanders. So she led off the convention by completely ignoring the DNC WikiLeaks scandal – she went on 60 Minutes and said she hadn’t seen any of the emails, and then Kaine said that lots of people at the DNC have opinions about the candidates. This is absolutely tone deaf. Even more tone deaf: her statement about the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as the head of the DNC – she simply praised Wasserman Schultz and said she looked forward to continuing to work with her on her campaign. Naturally, this has not quieted the Bernie Bros.

Blaming The Russians. The Hillary campaign has essentially blamed the Russians for leaking the DNC emails – and they’ve said that the Russians did it on behalf of Donald Trump. That may very well be true. But it looks paranoid, and it looks like blame-shifting for a scandal that’s entirely internal to the DNC. At a time when Hillary wants to project stability, she’s failing utterly to do that.

And so Hillary’s in trouble. She may recover with a small bump from the convention this week, but events outside her control keep throwing her incompetence and corruption into sharp relief. And that’s a serious problem for a candidate nobody wants to see in the light of day.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 25, 2016, 01:38:51 PM
Quote
She may recover with a small bump from the convention this week

Maybe.  Or maybe it will be the beginning of the end for all the lies and deceit.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on July 25, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
Let's pray Trump doesn't see this as a sign to up the stupid.

post convention bounce.

mccain led obama in the days after his convention.  Two weeks later, he gave up that lead and never had it again.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 25, 2016, 01:50:37 PM
post convention bounce.

mccain led obama in the days after his convention.  Two weeks later, he gave up that lead and never had it again.

Maybe, I know.  Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 25, 2016, 04:41:36 PM
The thing too is that Trump has spent no money at all thus far.  



That's 'cause he doesn't have much to spend. ;)  He only pays taxes on $500,000 or less. He may be under investigation by the FEC for potentially lying to them about his income by hugely over inflating it. It's a federal offense should he be charged and found guilty, punishable by a big fine and up to 12 years in prison. He's known as the "king of Welfare" in some circles because he culls so many deductions and favors from the U.S. government.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
That's 'cause he doesn't have much to spend. ;)  He only pays taxes on $500,000 or less. He may be under investigation by the FEC for potentially lying to them about his income by hugely over inflating it. It's a federal offense should he be charged and found guilty, punishable by a big fine and up to 12 years in prison. He's known as the "king of Welfare" in some circles because he culls so many deductions and favors from the U.S. government.

I was just talking to someone about a guy who was inflating his business income on his tax returns and using it as a basis to obtain loans.  Don't know if Trump did anything similar, but apparently that kind of thing happens. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2016, 07:33:26 PM
Donald Trump bounces into the lead
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Mon July 25, 2016

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 25, 2016, 07:38:49 PM
I was just talking to someone about a guy who was inflating his business income on his tax returns and using it as a basis to obtain loans.  Don't know if Trump did anything similar, but apparently that kind of thing happens. 

Lenders won't write a loan for Trump.  He's proven to be a poor credit risk. Private investors are the source on whichTrump relies.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2016, 07:53:04 PM
Lenders won't write a loan for Trump.  He's proven to be a poor credit risk. Private investors are the source on whichTrump relies.

He doesn't really need to borrow money. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 26, 2016, 08:11:38 AM
U.S
Fri Oct 2, 2015 | 10:16 PM EDT
Firefighters union abandons plans to endorse Clinton for president: NY Times

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton holds a 'Grassroots' organizational event at Broward State College in Davie, Florida, October 2, 2015. REUTERS/Joe Skipper
U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton holds a 'Grassroots' organizational event at Broward State College in Davie, Florida, October 2, 2015.
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(Reuters) - The International Association of Fire Fighters, a politically powerful labor union, has abandoned its initial plans to endorse Democrat Hillary Clinton for U.S. president, the New York Times reported on Friday.

Citing union sources, the Times said the Clinton campaign was told on Monday by IAFF President Harold Schaitberger that there was not enough support on the union's board or its rank-and-file members for an endorsement of the Democratic front-runner.

Support from labor unions is an important source of strength for Democratic candidates and their endorsements are eagerly sought by campaigns.

In June, IAFF President Harold Schaitberger, with the assent of the board, told the Clinton campaign that the union was strongly leaning toward endorsing Clinton, pending a formal board vote, the Times said.

Clinton's standing in opinion polls has declined in recent weeks, hurt by a controversy over her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state.

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In September, members of the union's board expressed an interest in the possibility that Vice President Joe Biden may join the race to pick the Democratic nominee for the November 2016 election.

Union officials have cited Biden's decades-long record of leadership on labor and other issues important to firefighters, the Times said.

The firefighters' union claims only about 300,000 members, fewer than some other prominent unions with an excess of a million members, but it has a history of exerting outsize political influence, thanks in part to the esteem in which the public holds firefighters, the Times said.

The Clinton campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

For more on the 2016 presidential race, see the Reuters blog, “Tales from the Trail” (here) .

(Reporting by Eric Beech; Editing by Mohammad Zargham)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: andreisdaman on July 26, 2016, 08:15:07 AM
I was just talking to someone about a guy who was inflating his business income on his tax returns and using it as a basis to obtain loans.  Don't know if Trump did anything similar, but apparently that kind of thing happens. 

good point..this has merit
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 26, 2016, 09:50:58 AM
Trump Takes 9-Point Lead Over Clinton in Granite State
Inside Resources ^
Posted on 7/26/2016, 12:25:51 PM by TigerClaws

An InsideSources/NH Journal poll finds that incumbent U.S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte is gaining momentum in her race against New Hampshire Gov. Maggie Hassan. Ayotte leads Hassan 49 percent to 41.4 percent, with 9.6 percent undecided.

Meanwhile, days after officially receiving the Republican nomination in Cleveland, the poll shows businessman Donald Trump leads former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton 47.9 percent to 38.5 percent in New Hampshire, with 13.6 percent undecided.

InsideSources tested a negative message for each of the major party’s candidates for Senate. When voters were asked if Ayotte’s intention to vote for Donald Trump without endorsing him influenced their support for Ayotte, 46.7 percent reported that this information had no effect on their potential support for Ayotte, while 34.2 percent claimed it made them less likely to support Ayotte, and 17.5 said this information made them more likely to support Ayotte. Women were more likely to be positively swayed by Ayotte’s position on the Republican nominee than men, who were more likely to report the position had no effect on their support for Ayotte.

Voters were also informed about recent controversy surrounding Hassan allowing a teacher who engaged in sexual misconduct with a student to take a leadership role in her campaign. A majority of voters, 52.4 percent, claimed the information made them less likely to support Hassan, while 32.4 percent claimed the information made no difference, and 14.1 percent claimed it actually made them more likely to support Hassan.

The top issue in the minds of many Granite State voters is the opioid epidemic. The poll queried voters regarding their opinions about Hassan and Ayotte’s handling of the crisis. 44.5 percent of Granite State registered voters have a positive view of Ayotte’s handling of the crisis, while 22.7 percent have a negative view. 32.8% are undecided.

In contrast, Hassan is underwater on the issue, as 40 percent hold a negative view, 37 percent hold a positive view, and 23 percent are undecided.

InsideSources/NH Journal also surveyed respondents on primary support in the race for governor. Among the Republicans, 27 percent planned to vote for Chris Sununu, and 20.65 percent for Ted Gatsas, while Frank Edelblut, Jeanie Forester and Jonathan Lavoie received support in the single digits. 41.04 percent were undecided.

Colin Van Ostern led the Democratic race for the nomination, with 13.44 percent, while Mark Connolly, Derek Dextraze, Ian Freeman, and Steve Marchand trailed in the single digits. A sizeable proportion of Democratic registered voters, 70.6 percent, were undecided.

The generic Republican candidate for governor leads the generic Democrat 47 percent to 39.1 percent, with 13.7 percent unsure of who they would support.

The InsideSources/NH Journal poll was conducted July 19-21, 2016. Responses were collected via landlines from a random sample of 1,166 registered New Hampshire voters. This has a weighted margin of error of +/- 5.1 percent. To correct for bias, responses were weighted by sex, age, education, county, race, and number of registered voters in the household. Poll analysis was conducted by Praecones Analytica. InsideSources will be tracking races nationwide ahead of November’s elections.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 26, 2016, 10:23:44 AM
Gallup Poll: Clinton's Unfavorable Rating at All-Time High
By Mark Swanson   |   Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016

Hillary Clinton is viewed unfavorably by 57 percent of Americans, an all-time worst in her political career and a precipitous drop from just two years ago, according to the latest Gallup poll.

Just 38 percent view Clinton favorably, compared to 55 percent in 2014, Gallup reported. Further, Clinton's image took a 3-point dive in just one month, down from 41 percent favorable in June.

Clinton's highest favorable rating was at 67 percent in late 1998.

Other results:
Donald Trump's image is at 36 percent favorable, 59 percent unfavorable the past seven days;
71 percent of Democrats and left-leaning independents view Clinton favorably;
Trump's favorability among Republicans improved to 72 percent during convention week.

Gallup reported that the only comparable election between two highly unpopular candidates was 1992 (Ross Perot, George H.W. Bush).

Gallup surveyed 3,545 Americans age 18 and older with a +/- error of 3 points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Gallup-Clinton-Unfavorable-All-Time/2016/07/26/id/740517/#ixzz4FXJzXh75
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 26, 2016, 11:00:07 AM

She is toxic.   And the more these Muslim fags keep atrackinng people.    Trump rises

Gallup Poll: Clinton's Unfavorable Rating at All-Time High
By Mark Swanson   |   Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016

Hillary Clinton is viewed unfavorably by 57 percent of Americans, an all-time worst in her political career and a precipitous drop from just two years ago, according to the latest Gallup poll.

Just 38 percent view Clinton favorably, compared to 55 percent in 2014, Gallup reported. Further, Clinton's image took a 3-point dive in just one month, down from 41 percent favorable in June.

Clinton's highest favorable rating was at 67 percent in late 1998.

Other results:
Donald Trump's image is at 36 percent favorable, 59 percent unfavorable the past seven days;
71 percent of Democrats and left-leaning independents view Clinton favorably;
Trump's favorability among Republicans improved to 72 percent during convention week.

Gallup reported that the only comparable election between two highly unpopular candidates was 1992 (Ross Perot, George H.W. Bush).

Gallup surveyed 3,545 Americans age 18 and older with a +/- error of 3 points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Gallup-Clinton-Unfavorable-All-Time/2016/07/26/id/740517/#ixzz4FXJzXh75
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 26, 2016, 04:08:41 PM
Trump Continues Edging Ahead of Clinton in National Polls
Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump posted a two-point lead over his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday, the first time he has been ahead since early May.

Trump's gains came as he accepted his party's nomination to the Nov. 8 ballot at the four-day Republican National Convention in Cleveland last week, and as Clinton's nomination in Philadelphia this week was marred by party divisions and the resignation of a top party official.

The July 22-26 poll found that 39 percent of likely voters supported Trump, 37 percent supported Clinton and 24 percent would vote for neither. The poll had a credibility interval of 4 percentage points, meaning that the two candidates should be considered about even in support.

Clinton held a three-point lead on Friday, which was also within the credibility interval.

Clinton has solidly led Trump in the poll throughout most of the 2016 presidential race. The only times that Trump has matched her level of support were when the Republican Party appeared to be roughly aligned with his campaign.

In early May, Trump briefly pulled even with Clinton after his remaining rivals for the party nomination dropped out of the running. He held a 0.3 percentage point lead over Clinton on May 9, the last time he was nominally ahead.

Trump fell back in the poll as he feuded with party bosses over comments he made about Hispanics, Muslims and immigrants, but he rebounded this month as his candidacy took the national spotlight at the Cleveland convention.

The Democratic party is hoping for a similar boost during its convention this week in Philadelphia, but the confab had a rough start: the Wikileaks website released emails on Friday that enraged many voters who had supported Clinton's rival for the nomination, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, showing that party officials had looked for ways to undermine his candidacy.

The chair of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, announced her resignation afterward.

On Monday, some speakers at the Democratic convention were booed by Sanders supporters, and hundreds of protesters took to the streets to protest Clinton's candidacy.

Presidential candidates usually get a boost in popularity following their party conventions.

In 2012, Republican nominee Mitt Romney jumped by 5 percentage points to pull about even with President Barack Obama after the Republican convention. After the Democrats held their convention, Obama then rose by a few percentage points and again pulled ahead.


http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/donald-trump-presidential-poll/2016/07/26/id/740628/#ixzz4FYivxnNf
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 27, 2016, 07:43:07 AM
Trump Edges Ahead Of Clinton In U.S. Presidential Race: Reuters/Ipsos Poll
reuters.com ^ | Jul 26, 2016
Posted on 7/27/2016, 8:59:18 AM by Helicondelta

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump posted a two-point lead over his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday, the first time he has been ahead since early May.

Trump's gains came as he accepted his party's nomination to the Nov. 8 ballot at the four-day Republican National Convention in Cleveland last week, and as Clinton's nomination in Philadelphia this week was marred by party divisions and the resignation of a top party official.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 27, 2016, 10:16:25 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls


 :o
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 27, 2016, 02:46:49 PM
Harry Reid To Intel Community: Give Donald Trump Fake Briefings
huffingtonpost.com ^ | 7/27/16 | Ryan Grim
Posted on 7/27/2016,


PHILADELPHIA - Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is advising intelligence officials that if they end up giving GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump classified briefings during the campaign, they should just fake it and make sure not to divulge anything important.

“How would the CIA and the other intelligence agencies brief this guy? How could they do that? I would suggest to the intelligence agencies, if you’re forced to brief this guy, don’t tell him anything, just fake it, because this man is dangerous,” Reid said in an interview with The Huffington Post Wednesday afternoon. “Fake it, pretend you’re doing a briefing, but you can’t give the guy any information.”

“This guy, he’s part of a foreign power,” Reid continued. “We knew he liked Putin before this, but this is quite ridiculous.”

(Excerpt) Read more at huffingtonpost.com ...




 ;D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 27, 2016, 03:31:00 PM
LA Times tracking poll has Trump out to his biggest lead of the year
JULY 27, 2016
BY ALLAHPUNDIT

Lucky seven. Well, six and a half:

(http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/la.jpg)

That’s up from a dead heat on the last day of the GOP convention. Safe to say that Trump got a bounce from Cleveland, no? If you’re unconvinced, here’s what the last seven polls that RCP is following look like:

(http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/rc.jpg)

Five of the seven lean red, amounting to a narrow but seemingly reliable lead of 1.1 points for Trump. To put that in perspective, over the past 12 months he had led Clinton for exactly three days, in late May of this year — and that was a lead of just 0.2 points, fueled by the fact that he’d already become presumptive nominee at that point while Hillary was still busy trying to tamp down Berniemania. Maybe the polls revert to form next week when Hillary gets a convention bounce of her own. Or maybe not: I’m all-in on predicting that she won’t get a bounce. For some Americans, last week was their first real introduction to Trump the politician. There’s no new introduction to a pol as familiar as Clinton, no matter how hard the DNC strains to manufacture one.

Back to the LA Times poll, though, which is noteworthy in various ways. It’s the only poll out there right now that includes data from Monday and Tuesday of this week, which means the extra-large lead it’s seeing for Trump might be a sign that his bounce is still expanding. We’ll have to wait for other surveys to confirm that. In the meantime, the (almost) seven-point advantage here is tied for the biggest lead for Trump in any poll this year. Rasmussen, whose numbers have skewed conspicuously pro-Trump, has also found a seven-point lead for him in the past. The Times and Rasmussen have something in common: They both poll likely voters, which should make their numbers a little closer to what we’d expect to actually see on Election Day. I’ll be curious to see Rasmussen’s new data once it’s available. They haven’t polled the race for a week.

It’s not just the convention that’s driving Trump’s lead either. New from Gallup:

As the Democratic National Convention gets underway in Philadelphia, Hillary Clinton’s image is at its lowest point in the 24 years of her national career, with 38% of Americans viewing her favorably and 57% unfavorably. Americans’ most positive view of Clinton, 67% favorable, came in December 1998. Before last year, her lowest favorable ratings since she became well-known had been 43% in January 1996 and 44% in March 2001.

Clinton was at 41% favorable in mid-June but drifted down to 37% by mid-July. Her favorable ratings have since held near that level, including through last week’s Republican National Convention. Republican nominee Donald Trump’s image for the past seven days was 36% favorable and 59% unfavorable, only slightly less positive than Clinton’s.

What happened smack dab in the middle of mid-June and mid-July? Right, Jim Comey’s press conference on July 5th accusing her of “extreme carelessness” in how she handled classified information. Even now, with her ratings in the toilet, she’s no more unpopular than Trump is, but that’s a bad place for a well-worn political commodity like Clinton to be in a populist climate. Voters might be willing to back an establishmentarian whom they personally like much more than the “change agent” from the other party. When they dislike her as much as they dislike him, though, why not roll the dice on something different?

One last note about the LA Times poll’s methodology. Most pollsters use a different sample every time they conduct a survey; they dial up Americans randomly and see who responds. The Times poll is a tracking poll that uses 400 people from a fixed group of 3,000 to try to gauge how they’re feeling about the election on a daily basis. It’s a different way to measure shifts among the population towards or away from a candidate, but it gives you a truer sense of people changing their minds since you’re polling the same people over and over again. When the poll debuted two weeks ago, the Times noted that this methodology was more accurate in predicting the election four years ago than many other surveys were. Good news for Trump. Stay tuned.

Update: Perspective from Sean Trende.

Sean T at RCP  ✔@SeanTrende
Trump up 1.1 points in RCP Average.*BUT* Romney led by 1.5 pts in mid-October, McCain by 2.9 in early September. So we'll see.
5:31 AM - 27 Jul 2016
46 46 Retweets   44 44 likes

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/27/la-times-tracking-poll-has-trump-out-to-his-biggest-lead-of-the-year/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 28, 2016, 08:27:30 AM
FiveThirtyEight's Nate Silver: Why Trump Is Polling Better, for Now
By Theodore Bunker   |   Thursday, 28 Jul 2016

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are neck-and-neck, according to FiveThirtyEight, but it depends on how the polls are measured.

Nate Silver, founder and editor-in-chief of FiveThirtyEight, uses a polls-plus forecast which accounts for much of Trump's gain following the Republican National Convention last week and still gives Clinton a 60 percent chance of victory in November.

However, a polls-only forecast excluding the post-convention bump gives Clinton only a 53 percent chance of winning. If the election were held today, the data shows Trump would be the favorite, with a 55 percent chance of taking the White House.

The New York Times' election prediction model gives Clinton a 69 percent chance of beating Trump. The Princeton Election Consortium puts Clinton's prospects of winning at 80 percent.

The difference comes from multiple variables, such as including third-party candidates Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party and the Green Party's Jill Stein, who are often excluded from polls, but when included usually draw more support away from Clinton than Trump.

According to Silver, most differences occur because of "how quickly the models adjust to new polling data." Clinton has been on a steady decline throughout July, so how should projections take that into account?

Going by analyses of previous campaigns, Silver and his staff found that a conservative "loess regression," which is a method of finding trends in data, produces a more accurate depiction further from the election, while an aggressive loess regression is better closer to Election Day.

Another problem is applying national polls on a state level. For instance, determining if Clinton will carry Pennsylvania is difficult if there haven't been any recent statewide polls to go by.

"Although there are other factors that matter around the margin, our models show better numbers for Trump mostly because they're more aggressive about detecting trends in polling data," Silver concludes.

"For the past couple of weeks — and this started before the conventions, so it's not just a convention bounce — there's been a strong trend away from Clinton, and toward Trump."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/FiveThirtyEight-Nate-Silver-Trump-Polling/2016/07/28/id/740999/#ixzz4FiXw2dLn
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 28, 2016, 10:43:21 AM
Poll: Donald Trump Sees 17-Point Positive Swing in Two Weeks
Breitbart ^ | July 28, 2016 | by ALEX SWOYER
Posted on 7/28/2016, 12:56:42 PM by Hojczyk

16 Republican nominee Donald Trump gained 17 points in roughly two weeks, according to the Reuters online tracking poll.

On July 14, 2016, Trump was 15 points behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton 46.5 percent to 31.5 percent. However as of July 26, 2016, Trump closed that 15 point gap and is now up two points over Clinton, 40.2 percent to 38.5 percent.

The Reuters/IPSOS polling data was fairly consistent during the Republican primaries — keeping Trump in the lead from February through May, which proved to be accurate.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 28, 2016, 10:49:11 AM
Harry Reid To Intel Community: Give Donald Trump Fake Briefings
huffingtonpost.com ^ | 7/27/16 | Ryan Grim
Posted on 7/27/2016,


PHILADELPHIA - Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is advising intelligence officials that if they end up giving GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump classified briefings during the campaign, they should just fake it and make sure not to divulge anything important.

“How would the CIA and the other intelligence agencies brief this guy? How could they do that? I would suggest to the intelligence agencies, if you’re forced to brief this guy, don’t tell him anything, just fake it, because this man is dangerous,” Reid said in an interview with The Huffington Post Wednesday afternoon. “Fake it, pretend you’re doing a briefing, but you can’t give the guy any information.”

“This guy, he’s part of a foreign power,” Reid continued. “We knew he liked Putin before this, but this is quite ridiculous.”

(Excerpt) Read more at huffingtonpost.com ...




 ;D  :D  :D  :D

Sounds like the Bitch Club is scared of reality.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 28, 2016, 10:57:35 AM
And real 'funny' how Reid is openly talking about telling MORE lies, as we haven't had enough of those already with Hillary.

Unbelievable, all the way.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on July 28, 2016, 11:23:08 AM
Poll: Donald Trump Sees 17-Point Positive Swing in Two Weeks

Mccain had an 11 point swing.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on July 28, 2016, 02:03:00 PM
And real 'funny' how Reid is openly talking about telling MORE lies, as we haven't had enough of those already with Hillary.

Unbelievable, all the way.

Somebody needs to put that mummy back into his sarcophagus.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2016, 04:20:36 PM
Trump is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

DONALD TRUMP QUIETLY PETITIONS TO FILL HIS RESORTS WITH MORE FOREIGN WORKERS
So much for bringing jobs back to America.

"Donald Trump has made bringing jobs back to America a cornerstone of his campaign.

A BuzzFeed News investigation reported that in his continuing effort to make America great again, the G.O.P. nominee recently applied for 65 H-2B visas to fill a mix of housekeeping, cooking, and wait-staff positions at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach. He is also seeking an additional 13 foreign workers for cooking and wait-staff roles at the Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter. The jobs will span an eight-month period from October of this year to the end of May 2017 and will all pay less than $15 per hour. Both resorts will pay housekeepers a rate of $10.17 per hour, wait staff $11.13 per hour, and cooks $12.74 per hour. (Trump did not respond to a BuzzFeed News request for comment.)

....of the 250 jobs available at the Mar-a-Lago resort between the beginning of 2013 and the fall of 2015, Americans only filled four, with the remaining 246 jobs going to foreign workers on H2-B visas.


,,,, maybe Trump simply didn’t try very hard to hire Americans first."

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/donald-trump-foreign-workers?mbid=nl_CH_579a3e5a1aa2e58f5210e349&CNDID=17877087&spMailingID=9271940&spUserID=MTMzMTgyNDA4NjQ5S0&spJobID=962294233&spReportId=OTYyMjk0MjMzS0

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 28, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
Trump is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

DONALD TRUMP QUIETLY PETITIONS TO FILL HIS RESORTS WITH MORE FOREIGN WORKERS
So much for bringing jobs back to America.

"Donald Trump has made bringing jobs back to America a cornerstone of his campaign.

A BuzzFeed News investigation reported that in his continuing effort to make America great again, the G.O.P. nominee recently applied for 65 H-2B visas to fill a mix of housekeeping, cooking, and wait-staff positions at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach. He is also seeking an additional 13 foreign workers for cooking and wait-staff roles at the Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter. The jobs will span an eight-month period from October of this year to the end of May 2017 and will all pay less than $15 per hour. Both resorts will pay housekeepers a rate of $10.17 per hour, wait staff $11.13 per hour, and cooks $12.74 per hour. (Trump did not respond to a BuzzFeed News request for comment.)

....of the 250 jobs available at the Mar-a-Lago resort between the beginning of 2013 and the fall of 2015, Americans only filled four, with the remaining 246 jobs going to foreign workers on H2-B visas.


,,,, maybe Trump simply didn’t try very hard to hire Americans first."

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/donald-trump-foreign-workers?mbid=nl_CH_579a3e5a1aa2e58f5210e349&CNDID=17877087&spMailingID=9271940&spUserID=MTMzMTgyNDA4NjQ5S0&spJobID=962294233&spReportId=OTYyMjk0MjMzS0



Interesting.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 28, 2016, 04:54:20 PM
Somebody needs to put that mummy back into his sarcophagus.

What he suggests is absolutely, undeniably a national security risk.  We've officially gone off the rails, here.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2016, 05:54:15 PM
Interesting.

A lot of people are stupid, delusional or just plain blind.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 28, 2016, 05:59:16 PM
A lot of people are stupid, delusional or just plain blind.

Hillary voters, you mean. 

I know, Prime.  Not sure what we can do about it, though, because they seem to be chronically delusional and possibly under some powerful form of hypnosis.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 28, 2016, 06:11:52 PM
Hillary voters, you mean. 

I know, Prime.  Not sure what we can do about it, though, because they seem to be chronically delusional and possibly under some powerful form of hypnosis.

I've maintained all along that in this election, U.S. citizens have no great choice for President.  We've been left trying to decide which is the best of the worst. Can we have a do-over?  ;) 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 28, 2016, 06:23:59 PM
I've maintained all along that in this election, U.S. citizens have no great choice for President.  We've been left trying to decide which is the best of the worst. Can we have a do-over?  ;) 

Does this mean you've joined Team Trump?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 29, 2016, 02:14:54 AM
Does this mean you've joined Team Trump?


 ;D not even if my life depended on it. He represents everything I hate.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on July 29, 2016, 08:12:57 AM
Hillary's Convention Speech.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 29, 2016, 10:57:11 AM
Does this mean you've joined Team Trump?


 ;D Not even if my life depended on it. He represents everything I dislike.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 29, 2016, 11:00:59 AM

 ;D Not even if my life depended on it. He represents everything I dislike.


he is a lifelong liberal and democrat - whats the problem with him?

You dont like his hairdo ?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: andreisdaman on July 29, 2016, 11:07:05 AM
he is a lifelong liberal and democrat - whats the problem with him?

You dont like his hairdo ?

why are YOU voting for him then?????????????????
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 29, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
why are YOU voting for him then?????????????????

Because that nasty dirty deranged psychotic bitch Hillary needs to be defeated. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on July 29, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
he is a lifelong liberal and democrat - whats the problem with him?

You dont like his hairdo ?

If you need to ask what the problem with Trump is, you have not truly understood him.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 29, 2016, 03:50:21 PM
For your information, if you don't know dates and times for the upcoming debates.  Will be great fun for all.


The current schedule is:

First presidential debate: Monday, Sept. 26, 2016, at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.

The first debate will consist of six 15-minute segments selected by the moderator and announced ahead of the debate.

Vice presidential debate: Tuesday, Oct. 4, 2016, at Longwood University in Farmville, Va.

The vice presidential debate will be divided into nine 10-minute segments.

Second presidential debate: Sunday, Oct. 9, 2016, at Washington University in St. Louis

The second presidential debate will be a town meeting, where half of the questions will come from participants and the other from the moderator. The moderator's questions will be based on public interest topics determined via social media and other sources.

Third presidential debate: Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2016 at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas

The third presidential debate will have the same format as the first, with six 15-minute segments
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on July 29, 2016, 04:00:48 PM
Quote
The second presidential debate will be a town meeting, where half of the questions will come from participants and the other from the moderator. The moderator's questions will be based on public interest topics determined via social media and other sources.

Highly staged nonsense, with a bent against Trump.  Bank on it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2016, 04:24:22 PM
Post-convention poll: Clinton retakes lead over Trump
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Mon August 1, 2016

Clinton tops Trump 52% to 43% in a head-to-head matchup
In a four-way race: Clinton 45%, Trump 37%, Johnson 9% and Stein 5%

Washington (CNN) — Hillary Clinton emerges from her party's convention in Philadelphia with a restored lead over Donald Trump, having earned a 7-point convention bounce, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll.

In a two-way head-to-head matchup, Clinton tops Trump 52% to 43%, and in a four-way matchup including third party candidates Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, Clinton leads 45% to 37% with Johnson at 9% and Stein at 5%.

Besides improving her standing against Trump, Clinton's convention appears to have boosted the share of Americans who think her policies will move the country in the right direction (from 43% before either convention to 48% now), while Trump's right direction number held roughly steady following the back-to-back political gatherings in Cleveland and Philadelphia.

Further, a majority of Clinton's backers now say their vote is more to show support for her than to oppose Trump, a sharp shift since early May. Back then, 48% said their vote was one of support for the former secretary of state, 58% say so now. While Trump also improved his numbers on that metric, his voters are more evenly divided, with 47% saying they're backing him to show support and 50% saying it's more to oppose Clinton.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/trump-vs-clinton-presidential-polls-election-2016/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 04:26:40 PM
In 2008....
Mccain led from I believe Aug 29th on with announcement... then by Sept 15th, Obama had overtaken him for good. 

Polls always take 10 to 14 days to truly catch up to events.

Trump was trailing going into the conventions, and 2 weeks after they conclude, he'll be trailing again too. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2016, 04:52:21 PM
Long but interesting read.

Donald Trump Hired Me As An Attorney. Please Don’t Support Him For President.
Bullies will always exist somewhere, but the White House should not be that somewhere.
07/31/2016

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-hired-me-as-an-attorneyplease-dont_us_579e52dee4b00e7e269fb30f?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 03, 2016, 05:38:12 AM
Ally of Trump staffer Paul Manafort: The staff is 'suicidal,' he's mailing it in
John Harwood   | @johnjharwood
10 Hours Ago
CNBC.com



Donald Trump's behavior in recent days, from criticizing the parents of a fallen American soldier to declining to endorse House Speaker Paul Ryan, has strained the nerves of his campaign staff as he falls behind in the polls.

I exchanged messages Tuesday evening with a longtime ally of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, whom I asked about who was calling the shots in the campaign. The response indicated that Manafort, a veteran of Republican politics brought in this spring for the transition from primaries to the general election, has lost control over his candidate.

"Manafort not challenging (Trump) anymore," Manafort's ally wrote. "Mailing it in. Staff suicidal."

After I tweeted those remarks, Trump campaign spokesman Jason Miller wrote to me, "The idea that Paul Manafort's mailing it in is completely erroneous. Our campaign just finished up our strongest month of fundraising to date, we're adding talented and experienced staffers on a daily basis, and Mr. Trump's turning out bigger, more enthusiastic crowds than Hillary Clinton ever could."

Paul Manafort, advisor to Donald Trump, is seen on the floor of the Quicken Loans Arena at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio, July 19, 2016.
Tom Williams | CQ Roll Call | Getty Images
Paul Manafort, advisor to Donald Trump, is seen on the floor of the Quicken Loans Arena at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio, July 19, 2016.
Miller also sent a tweet quoting a conservative writer who called me "unabashedly liberal and very biased against conservatives." Miller tweeted a critical article about my role as moderator in last fall's CNBC debate, in which I asked Trump if he were running "a comic-book version" of a presidential campaign.

Strains between candidates and their staffs are commonplace in stressful moments of presidential campaigns. But Trump's campaign is unusual for the candidate's singular control over its daily message, which thwarts attempts at traditional discipline.

Trump's freewheeling style won him the Republican nomination over a crowded field of rivals. But the general election environment, and target audience, is far different.

The bombastic billionaire appeared to recognize that by jettisoning his first campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, now a commentator on CNN. Manafort's experience in national politics had reassured Republican veterans that a fall Trump campaign would more closely resemble the norms of recent presidential campaigns

Yet the recent Republican convention, marred by controversy and a high-profile speech in which primary rival Ted Cruz declined to endorse the nominee, was not up to recent Republican standards. And Trump's extended skirmishing with the parents of fallen U.S. soldier Capt. Humayun Khan, among other controversies, has caused increasing numbers of Republicans to criticize the party's candidate.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 04, 2016, 10:37:59 AM
Good for him but will need to add some zeros. 

Trump Campaign Raised $80 Million in July
By Eric Mack   |   Wednesday, 03 Aug 2016

There is no shortage of momentum for Donald Trump's presidential candidacy when it comes to funding, Steven Mnuchin, the campaign's finance chairman, told CNBC on Wednesday.

Trump's campaign raised $80 million in July—up from $51 million in June—and has a reported $37 million in cash on hand.

"We are extremely proud of our 69 percent growth in small dollar donations which shows the broad-based support of over one million donors across America," Mnuchin stated.

The campaign reached $80 million on the strength of $64 million in small-dollar donations online, the remaining $16 million coming from the Republican National Committee, he announced.

CNBC reported Trump's rising figures still fall short of Hillary Clinton's campaign funding, which totaled $90 million in July and left her with $58 million in cash.

"I don't know why anybody is concerned about this," Mnuchin shot back. "First of all, they've been doing this for over 10 years. We've been doing it for two months, so it's pretty incredible we're at 80 and they're at $90 million, and they're obviously spending a lot more money than we are."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/donald-trump-fundraising-campaign-steven-mnuchin/2016/08/03/id/742032/#ixzz4GO0T9lK8
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 04, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
Gary Johnson promises not to smoke dope in WH

During an interview with USA Today, Johnson was asked how long it’s been since he's taken the drug.

"It's been about seven weeks," he responded, adding that he would not partake in the drug during his term if he’s elected. "I want to be completely on top of my game, all cylinders."

Johnson has long advocated for legalizing the drug, saying on Thursday that there is "an unbelievable disconnect" between politicians and the public on the issue.

"I haven't had a drink of alcohol in 29 years because of rock climbing and the notion of being the best that you can be, and in that same vein I've stopped using marijuana of any kind," he said earlier in the interview.

thehill.com
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 04, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
Latest poll results
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 04, 2016, 12:35:35 PM
^ Interesting, Prime.

Looks like the overgrown teenager with dumb ideas (Johnson) is doing his part to get Hillary the job.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 04, 2016, 12:38:51 PM
^ Interesting, Prime.

Looks like the overgrown teenager with dumb ideas (Johnson) is doing his part to get Hillary the job.

pull johnson out, no pun intended, and hilary leads by more.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 04, 2016, 12:40:31 PM
pull johnson out, no pun intended, and hilary leads by more.   

I should've known that dumb knows no bounds and that Hillary Dumb = Johnson Dumb.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 04, 2016, 12:41:18 PM
AND that Koch = Hillary

Don't forget that part.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 04, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
AND that Koch = Hillary

Don't forget that part.

Mostly False - don't forget this part.

http://www.snopes.com/koch-brothers-officially-endorse-hillary-clinton/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 04, 2016, 12:58:34 PM
Mostly False - don't forget this part.

http://www.snopes.com/koch-brothers-officially-endorse-hillary-clinton/

No, but the fact is that everything's been divided into Globalists VS. Americans, and Hillary's feet are entirely and firmly planted on the same side as the Koch Brothers.  They are members of the same group, in the only fight which matters any more.  The false idea that the two parties are opposed is having a difficult time finding cover lately.

Hillary is a neocon globalist bitch and only morons and blacks will claim support for her.  That is the real story.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 05, 2016, 11:12:17 AM
No, but the fact is that everything's been divided into Globalists VS. Americans, and Hillary's feet are entirely and firmly planted on the same side as the Koch Brothers.  They are members of the same group, in the only fight which matters any more.  The false idea that the two parties are opposed is having a difficult time finding cover lately.

Hillary is a neocon globalist bitch and only morons and blacks will claim support for her.  That is the real story.

Seems like there are a lot of 'morons and blacks' and don't forget about women, Latinos and several other minorities. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 05, 2016, 12:37:34 PM
Here are the Presidential poll results reported today.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 05, 2016, 01:35:31 PM
Seems like there are a lot of 'morons and blacks' and don't forget about women, Latinos and several other minorities. 

Well, Prime.  I can't help but join you in hoping and praying Hillary will do right.  Unless Trump dusts-off the money pile, I think we can figure who will win.

Say, when you have a moment or two to read something interesting, I'd like to know your opinion on it.  It is 3rd post down on this quora page - the one by "Mark Hughes, Screenwriter, Film Critic at Forbes".

https://www.quora.com/Could-Trump-be-a-Democratic-plant-1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 05, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
uneducated people love a WWE wrestler president.

a president begging to use nukes terrifies those in the suburbs.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 05, 2016, 05:12:56 PM
Well, Prime.  I can't help but join you in hoping and praying Hillary will do right.  Unless Trump dusts-off the money pile, I think we can figure who will win.

Say, when you have a moment or two to read something interesting, I'd like to know your opinion on it.  It is 3rd post down on this quora page - the one by "Mark Hughes, Screenwriter, Film Critic at Forbes".

https://www.quora.com/Could-Trump-be-a-Democratic-plant-1

Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read to be sure.

Is Mark Hughes clairvoyant? He wrote his opinion/theory on August 30, 2015 which was only a couple of months after Trump announced his intention to run for President. Amazing! What is even more amazing is that he could very well be right. While I'm not one who normally puts a lot of stock in conspiracy theories, politics is a strange game and politicians are capable of playing the game very well in order to succeed with their goals.

There is a saying that goes, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." Meaning, if it looks like something is wrong, something probably is wrong. People like to think where there's smoke, there's fire, so they will always believe you were involved even if you weren't. The Clintons have sent enough smoke signals over the years which indicate some things were/are probably amiss. It is hard to imagine Trump as a puppet, but his ego is so disproportionate to his accomplishments that it is laughable and also makes him vulnerable. He could be easily used as a pawn simply by massaging that giant ego.

Why does it often seem that folks with a southern drawl can and will sell anything to anyone? I have a longtime friend from Texas whose accent is similar to Bill Clinton's. This friend is such an excellent con-artist that he's made a good living simply by convincing people he has an opportunity for them that they cannot resist.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: tom joad on August 05, 2016, 05:59:59 PM
uneducated people love a WWE wrestler president.

USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on August 05, 2016, 08:11:13 PM
Can't wait till all the Rapefugees are running around all over our country spreading DIEversity after Hildog becomes POTUS
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 06, 2016, 10:48:54 AM
Can't wait till all the Rapefugees are running around all over our country spreading DIEversity after Hildog becomes POTUS

You are so very clever with words.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 06, 2016, 12:12:02 PM
Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read to be sure.

Is Mark Hughes clairvoyant? He wrote his opinion/theory on August 30, 2015 which was only a couple of months after Trump announced his intention to run for President. Amazing! What is even more amazing is that he could very well be right. While I'm not one who normally puts a lot of stock in conspiracy theories, politics is a strange game and politicians are capable of playing the game very well in order to succeed with their goals.

Yes, some people caught on almost immediately, including our own 240.  Others (like me) couldn't face the horror that the race was Hillary, and only Hillary.

Quote
There is a saying that goes, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." Meaning, if it looks like something is wrong, something probably is wrong. People like to think where there's smoke, there's fire, so they will always believe you were involved even if you weren't. The Clintons have sent enough smoke signals over the years which indicate some things were/are probably amiss. It is hard to imagine Trump as a puppet, but his ego is so disproportionate to his accomplishments that it is laughable and also makes him vulnerable. He could be easily used as a pawn simply by massaging that giant ego.

The only question in my mind, is what knowledge Trump has about it.  I'd like to think he's in it to win.  But if he doesn't spend the necessary money, then it looks like he's avoiding making any substantial attack on her.  How else can it be viewed?

Fact is, though, there are still about three months left and maybe we'll see something unexpected.  I just don't know anymore, really.  But it doesn't look good for those who don't fancy Hillary as CiC.

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Why does it often seem that folks with a southern drawl can and will sell anything to anyone? I have a longtime friend from Texas whose accent is similar to Bill Clinton's. This friend is such an excellent con-artist that he's made a good living simply by convincing people he has an opportunity for them that they cannot resist.

Yes, I know the type, believe me.  Imo, it is a way to 'play dumb' and get others to feel immune from being conned by someone who is so simple-acting.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 06, 2016, 01:00:55 PM

1. The only question in my mind, is what knowledge Trump has about it.  I'd like to think he's in it to win.  But if he doesn't spend the necessary money, then it looks like he's avoiding making any substantial attack on her.  How else can it be viewed?

2. Fact is, though, there are still about three months left and maybe we'll see something unexpected.  I just don't know anymore, really.  But it doesn't look good for those who don't fancy Hillary as CiC.

3. Yes, I know the type, believe me.  Imo, it is a way to 'play dumb' and get others to feel immune from being conned by someone who is so simple-acting.

1. It is one thing to hint at something and/or to call your opponent names. You need more than knowledge to out and out accuse someone of something specific; you need proof.  Otherwise it is slander and slander can backfire.

2. Yes a lot can happen in three months. So far this past week, things don't look very good for Trump. He is 15 points down in the poles. Every day, it gets worse.

3. I'd not thought of it in this way.....interesting.

 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dr Dutch on August 06, 2016, 01:14:01 PM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 06, 2016, 01:21:04 PM
1. It is one thing to hint at something and/or to call your opponent names. You need more than knowledge to out and out accuse someone of something specific; you need proof.  Otherwise it is slander and slander can backfire.

No, I mean as far as his place versus the what the Clintons want for an opponent.  How much he understands about them using his extreme behavior to cover for the lack of excitement in Hillary.

If he'd just fight back and start buying nonstop ads like she's been doing with him, then it would at least look like he wants the office.  But he hasn't done it for some reason.

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2. Yes a lot can happen in three months. So far this past week, things don't look very good for Trump. He is 15 points down in the poles. Every day, it gets worse.

I'm not counting him out yet.  But it doesn't look good, no.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 06, 2016, 01:29:56 PM
I don't think he has many campaign offices, if any.  It doesn't make sense.  He isn't spending money, maybe to show himself as good w money, but no way he doesn't understand he'll lose without it unless something totally unexpected happens.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 06, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
I don't think he has many campaign offices, if any.  It doesn't make sense.  He isn't spending money, maybe to show himself as good w money, but no way he doesn't understand he'll lose without it unless something totally unexpected happens.

he has spent $1mil on fall tv commercials.   hilary has bought 98 million worth.

I know he gets free coverage every time he tweets, but 1) it's having less and less impact as he's not as new anymore, and 2) not everyone watches cable news all day to hear about it.

the commercials during 'dancing with the stars' and the rio olympics will reach non-political people.  The videos of trump mocking handicapped and saying he could shoot someone and still get elected - those are being heard by people who don't like politics but will vote against him becase of the commercials.

Trump not building much of an infrastructure - that is what ben carson did.  he was running a book sales campaign, and using his $ to build officers would have shown a real investment.  He didn't want to do that, and i started a thread in Oct of last year pointing out it wasn't a true campaign.   Is trump running one?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 06, 2016, 02:28:16 PM
he has spent $1mil on fall tv commercials.   hilary has bought 98 million worth.

I know he gets free coverage every time he tweets, but 1) it's having less and less impact as he's not as new anymore, and 2) not everyone watches cable news all day to hear about it.

the commercials during 'dancing with the stars' and the rio olympics will reach non-political people.  The videos of trump mocking handicapped and saying he could shoot someone and still get elected - those are being heard by people who don't like politics but will vote against him becase of the commercials.

Trump not building much of an infrastructure - that is what ben carson did.  he was running a book sales campaign, and using his $ to build officers would have shown a real investment.  He didn't want to do that, and i started a thread in Oct of last year pointing out it wasn't a true campaign.   Is trump running one?

Just saw he does have at least a few offices, so that's better than I thought.

But if she's putting 100x the money on TV and radio, no way he doesn't realize what to expect from that.  The tweets can't work against it and neither can anything else but the same media.

Imo, since she's making him out to be a dumbass in her ads, he needs to show why she's worse than a dumbass.  Plenty of data to back him up, so I wish he'd get started right now.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 06, 2016, 03:16:28 PM
Just saw he does have at least a few offices, so that's better than I thought.

But if she's putting 100x the money on TV and radio, no way he doesn't realize what to expect from that.  The tweets can't work against it and neither can anything else but the same media.

Imo, since she's making him out to be a dumbass in her ads, he needs to show why she's worse than a dumbass.  Plenty of data to back him up, so I wish he'd get started right now.

Yeah, he's very casual for a guy in his position. 

Down 4+ points in every poll, doing very poorly in the swing states.
Controversies in a few areas at once.
His own party rebelling against him.
Public confidence in him dropping.

And not buying tv time?  Nuts. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 06, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
Yeah, he's very casual for a guy in his position. 

Down 4+ points in every poll, doing very poorly in the swing states.
Controversies in a few areas at once.
His own party rebelling against him.
Public confidence in him dropping.

And not buying tv time?  Nuts. 

If he continues exactly like this, everyone (and I mean everyone) will know he's cooperating.  Seems as though he can't avoid making ads, then.  So will he just make weak ads or what?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 06, 2016, 04:51:30 PM
What about the thing with her laughing about springing the pedo?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 06, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
If he continues exactly like this, everyone (and I mean everyone) will know he's cooperating.  Seems as though he can't avoid making ads, then.  So will he just make weak ads or what?

so far, Hilary's ground/get-out-the-vote team is at least ten times bigger.

This kind of infrastructure doesn't matter much for polls in early August.  But late October, it definitely will.   When Team Hilary is driving busloads of African-American voters to the polls on election day in swing states, it'll matter.   When commercials are needed to share whatever october surprise Hilary has in store for Trump, she has the ad space purchased already.

trump just isn't building the things that candidates always do.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 06, 2016, 04:57:57 PM
so far, Hilary's ground/get-out-the-vote team is at least ten times bigger.

This kind of infrastructure doesn't matter much for polls in early August.  But late October, it definitely will.   When Team Hilary is driving busloads of African-American voters to the polls on election day in swing states, it'll matter.   When commercials are needed to share whatever october surprise Hilary has in store for Trump, she has the ad space purchased already.

trump just isn't building the things that candidates always do.  

Crazy.  Or so it seems.  I wish Straw Man would reappear and update his stand.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 06, 2016, 05:11:06 PM
Crazy.  Or so it seems.  I wish Straw Man would reappear and update his stand.

Correct me if I'm wrong straw - but didn't you say even if Trump WAS a dem plant, you wouldn't admit it, because it'd undermine your candidate of choice, HIlary?

Apologies if I didn't remember that correctly.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on August 06, 2016, 05:23:50 PM
I don't believe this poll for a second. The media is proving itself to be more and more deceitful everyday and the average American is absolutely clueless about it.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=568927.0;attach=685006;image)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 06, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
See, he made a comment today saying "she's not strong enough to be president". 

Besides being a weak ass comment, it looks like he is welcoming women to view it in the wrong way.

Of all the things to say about her, why choose that?  Why give the enemies so much room to use against you?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 06, 2016, 05:48:55 PM
See, he made a comment today saying "she's not strong enough to be president". 

Besides being a weak ass comment, it looks like he is welcoming women to view it in the wrong way.

Of all the things to say about her, why choose that?  Why give the enemies so much room to use against you?

Trump is a brilliant man when it comes to the mass media psychology, VERY shrewd.  He knows what buttons to push.

He hasn't shit on women this week, so that'll be next.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 07, 2016, 01:20:09 PM
I don't believe this poll for a second. The media is proving itself to be more and more deceitful everyday and the average American is absolutely clueless about it.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=568927.0;attach=685006;image)

Does this mean you believe Hillary actually scores 60% and Trump has 20%? Just wondering, since most folks who say they don't believe the polls are rooting for the loser.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 07, 2016, 01:26:45 PM
Update.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on August 07, 2016, 01:30:21 PM
Does this mean you believe Hillary actually scores 60% and Trump has 20%? Just wondering, since most folks who say they don't believe the polls are rooting for the loser.

Besides the Melania misstep, by all accounts Trump had a very solid RNC convention. A flash poll from CNN showed that well over 70% of CNN viewers on both sides of the aisle reacted favorably to his last day speech as well.

For him to drop like a rock in the polls days after a solid performance defies all logic. The media is clearly in bed with the Democratic party and it is taking more measures to prop them up.

I'm not saying that Trump doesn't shoot himself in the foot with these little vendettas that he caries...he does. But the fact that the media is deceiving and covering up for a political party to this degree should scare the shit out of anybody.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 07, 2016, 01:34:13 PM
Besides the Melania misstep, by all accounts Trump had a very solid RNC convention. A flash poll from CNN showed that well over 70% of CNN viewers on both sides of the aisle reacted favorably to his last day speech as well.

For him to drop like a rock in the polls days after a solid performance defies all logic. The media is clearly in bed with the Democratic party and it is taking more measures to prop them up.

I'm not saying that Trump doesn't shoot himself in the foot with these little vendettas that he caries...he does. But the fact that the media is deceiving and covering up for a political party to this degree should scare the shit out of anybody.

Or the public is incredibly fickle. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 07, 2016, 02:43:39 PM
Repubs like to say "Polls are all fixed!" until they see one where Trump is only down by 1 or 2, then they tattoo that shit everywhere they go.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 07, 2016, 03:17:52 PM
Besides the Melania misstep, by all accounts Trump had a very solid RNC convention. A flash poll from CNN showed that well over 70% of CNN viewers on both sides of the aisle reacted favorably to his last day speech as well.

For him to drop like a rock in the polls days after a solid performance defies all logic. The media is clearly in bed with the Democratic party and it is taking more measures to prop them up.

I'm not saying that Trump doesn't shoot himself in the foot with these little vendettas that he caries...he does. But the fact that the media is deceiving and covering up for a political party to this degree should scare the shit out of anybody.


A lot of Bernie guys moved into Hillary camp.  You also have trump acting like an ass 24/7.   Makes perfect sense why pols have changed fast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 07, 2016, 03:27:43 PM

A lot of Bernie guys moved into Hillary camp.  You also have trump acting like an ass 24/7.   Makes perfect sense why pols have changed fast

I expect they will continue to change up until November 8, 2016....election day. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on August 07, 2016, 03:40:07 PM

A lot of Bernie guys moved into Hillary camp
.  You also have trump acting like an ass 24/7. 
 Makes perfect sense why pols have changed fast

This.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 07, 2016, 04:04:33 PM

A lot of Bernie guys moved into Hillary camp.  You also have trump acting like an ass 24/7.   Makes perfect sense why pols have changed fast

one poll said 90% of them.   Still, 10% of bernie folks is pretty good for trump.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 08, 2016, 09:01:55 AM
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/08/08/trump-voter-shot-after-political-debate-spurs-shooting/#.V6iqqo9LeUE.facebook


 >:( 

more peacful liberals.    ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 08, 2016, 09:11:17 AM
Donald Trump just made a major change to his tax plan
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Donald Trump plans to tweak his prior tax proposal, calling for a top income tax rate of 33 percent rather than a past proposal for 25 percent, CNBC contributor Larry Kudlow said Monday.

Presidential nominee Donald Trump attends a campaign event at the Ocean Center in Daytona Beach, Florida August 3, 2016.
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Presidential nominee Donald Trump attends a campaign event at the Ocean Center in Daytona Beach, Florida August 3, 2016.

Kudlow, an informal advisor to the Trump campaign, said the move would help to reduce federal deficit growth during his presidency. Trump, who will deliver a crucial economic speech Monday, had fueled concerns about a ballooning deficit with across the board tax cuts.

The top income tax rate is currently set at just under 40 percent. Prior analyses of his tax plan, which included broad personal and business tax cuts, said it could expand the U.S. deficit by as much as $10 trillion over a decade.

Kudlow claimed that tweaks to Trump's tax plan could reduce that number to less than $3 trillion.


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 08, 2016, 11:33:45 AM
wow, he just gave the wealthy the big middle finger.

I wonder how coach will explain away this one. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 08, 2016, 12:56:08 PM
wow, he just gave the wealthy the big middle finger.

I wonder how coach will explain away this one. 

Its all flop sweat.  no one cares what he says any longer. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 08, 2016, 01:13:48 PM
Its all flop sweat.  no one cares what he says any longer. 

repubs *were* all excited this morning - Newt announced yesterday that Trump was FINALLY on board with conservative ideals.

THEN he comes out this morning, goes to detroit, and announces HE PLANS TO TAX THE RICH AT A 33% tax rate.   Hilary only wants it to be 30%, is that correct?  He's either above or on par with HILARY on taxing the wealthy. 

If that's not a man trying to lose, I don't konw what is.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 08, 2016, 04:13:12 PM
Its all flop sweat.  no one cares what he says any longer. 

No one should care. The dude cannot remember today what he said yesterday.....Alzheimer's perhaps. -Not another Reagan.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 09, 2016, 03:18:20 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on August 10, 2016, 07:58:32 AM
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/09/report-bernie-sanders-just-bought-third-home-600k-lake-house (http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/09/report-bernie-sanders-just-bought-third-home-600k-lake-house)

3 Homes for Bernie! Sanders Reportedly Buys $600K Vermont Lake House
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 12, 2016, 03:49:37 AM
Trump warns GOP he could stop fundraising
thehill.com ^ | 8/11/16 | Jesse Byrnes
Posted on 8/12/2016, 5:45:13 AM by cotton1706

Donald Trump on Thursday issued a threat to stop fundraising for the Republican Party after a report emerged that party officials could focus resources on down-ballot candidates.

"I mean, if it is true, that's OK too because all I have to do is stop funding the Republican Party," Trump said on Fox News's "The O'Reilly Factor" when asked about the Republican National Committee potentially diverting funds away from the presidential race.

"I'm the one raising the money for them," he continued. "In fact, right now I'm in Orlando, I'm going to a fundraiser for the Republican Party. If they want to do that they can save me a lot of time and a lot of energy."

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 12, 2016, 06:16:05 AM
Completely unheard of in politics... "I may stop fundraising"

What a mess.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 12, 2016, 06:18:56 AM
Completely unheard of in politics... "I may stop fundraising"

What a mess.

Not a mess if planned to help lose the House and Senate 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 12, 2016, 06:32:41 AM
Not a mess if planned to help lose the House and Senate 

it's a day day when we read such a headline.  It'w 3 months until election day and Trump is STILL attacking his own party instead of Hillary.

What date will he, you know, STOP ATTACKING REPUBLICANS?   Maybe not at all.   Sick to my stomach reading this headline.  Hillary running de facto unopposed pretty soon.  :( 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 12, 2016, 06:55:10 AM
it's a day day when we read such a headline.  It'w 3 months until election day and Trump is STILL attacking his own party instead of Hillary.

What date will he, you know, STOP ATTACKING REPUBLICANS?   Maybe not at all.   Sick to my stomach reading this headline.  Hillary running de facto unopposed pretty soon.  :( 

Seeing my repub friends taken in by all this is really sad to watch.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on August 12, 2016, 08:53:48 AM
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/09/report-bernie-sanders-just-bought-third-home-600k-lake-house (http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/09/report-bernie-sanders-just-bought-third-home-600k-lake-house)

3 Homes for Bernie! Sanders Reportedly Buys $600K Vermont Lake House

He sold a previous one recently to pay for that one. So he only has 2.

600k for a house isn't some fat cat house.

Hell. How many politicians love in houses worth millions?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 12, 2016, 05:14:02 PM
He sold a previous one recently to pay for that one. So he only has 2.

600k for a house isn't some fat cat house.

Hell. How many politicians love in houses worth millions?

$600,000 isn't that much, as you said. Of course it does somewhat depend on where you live. The Portland metro housing market is insane. The average person cannot afford to rent or buy a house. A place up the street from me had three offers before it even hit the market. Less than a week later, there is a sale pending sign. According to Zillow, the home was overpriced by at least $100,000, There's a good chance a bidding war drove the price even higher.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 12, 2016, 07:44:21 PM
Please anyone refute this.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/291286-is-trump-deliberately-throwing-the-election-to

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 13, 2016, 12:08:12 AM
Please anyone refute this.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/291286-is-trump-deliberately-throwing-the-election-to

they can't, they won't.  They had a year of mocking the idea, even as the evidence stacked up.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2016, 12:36:49 AM
Please anyone refute this.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/291286-is-trump-deliberately-throwing-the-election-to



Seems right on to me.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 13, 2016, 12:31:57 PM
Latest polls

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2016, 12:02:35 PM
Why landslide elections don't happen much anymore -- but could this year
By David Mark, CNN
Tue August 16, 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/16/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-landslide-loss/index.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 16, 2016, 12:12:20 PM
Latest Polls

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 16, 2016, 12:22:13 PM
LOL Trump is only 6 points up in TX.

fckign hilary could end up winning texas.   unreal.  just unreal.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on August 16, 2016, 12:23:51 PM
LOL Trump is only 6 points up in TX.

fckign hilary could end up winning texas.   unreal.  just unreal.

That can't possibly happen.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 16, 2016, 12:26:51 PM
That can't possibly happen.

Normally I would agree.   In any universe, Trump wins TX by 15% like Romney did.  Maybe more.

But Hilary is only down by 6 points now.   She is expanding her TX field offices like crazy.
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/02/clinton-camp-expands-texas-operations-with-houston-campaign-office.html/

She has 7 offices in Texas.   Last I heard, Trump had a PO Box in austin.   At a UPS store.  Really.
http://austin.culturemap.com/news/city-life/02-25-16-donald-trump-texas-campaign-headquarters-austin-mailbox/

Maybe there's an update to the story with a massive Trump effort in Texas, since a 6 point Trump lead isn't much these days.
38 electoral votes.  That's more than flroida's 29, and it's a 78 point swing, since EVERYONE assumed Trump has TX in the bag. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2016, 12:27:45 PM
That can't possibly happen.


Seriously doubt it, but good luck predicting anything in this race. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 16, 2016, 12:38:43 PM
That can't possibly happen.


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/16/trump-catastrophe-worse-gop-poll-hints-texas-play-clinton.html



Trump Catastrophe Gets Worse For GOP As Poll Hints Texas May Be In Play For Clinton

By Jason Easley on Tue, Aug 16th, 2016 at 11:55 am



Donald Trump’s candidacy is quickly turning into a catastrophic GOP event, as a new poll of Texas shows Donald Trump with a relatively small 6 point lead over Hillary Clinton.

Keep in mind that it was only four years ago that Mitt Romney won Texas by 16 points while getting trounced nationally by President Obama.

The latest PPP poll of Texas found a closer than expected contest between Clinton and Trump:

PPP’s new Texas poll finds a relatively tight race, at least on the curve of recent Presidential election results in the state. Donald Trump leads with 44% to 38% for Hillary Clinton, 6% for Gary Johnson, 2% for Jill Stein, and less than half a percent (0) for Evan McMullin. In a head to head contest Trump leads Clinton 50-44 in the state, which Mitt Romney won by 16 points in 2012.................... .....
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 16, 2016, 04:57:42 PM
I did my part for HRC. Not that her campaign funds are running out.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 16, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
People who donate to trump are pretty much donating to hillary too.  They can take some solace in that fact.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2016, 06:02:57 PM
I did my part for HRC. Not that her campaign funds are running out.

You donated money to Hillary? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 16, 2016, 06:20:38 PM
I did my part for HRC. Not that her campaign funds are running out.

Prime, are you all excited from thinking it's a handwritten note?

You know better than that.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2016, 06:22:34 PM
I did my part for HRC. Not that her campaign funds are running out.

You have hit rock bottom
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2016, 06:31:55 PM
Ayotte: I will 'stand up' to Trump but will vote for him
CNN Digital Expansion DC Manu Raju
By Manu Raju, Senior Political Reporter
Tue August 16, 2016

Manchester, New Hampshire (CNN) — Sen. Kelly Ayotte has often found herself in a familiar spot with Donald Trump: Keeping her distance.

But in this fiercely independent state, Ayotte is gambling that voters might reward her for rebuking her own party's nominee. She has criticized Trump and will not endorse him -- yet still plans to vote for the billionaire in November.

"I will take on my own party," Ayotte told CNN in Nashua Monday. "I really believe that this is a big issue in this race -- that I am the one candidate that will stand up to whomever is in the White House to do good things when we can work together -- also when it's wrong to stand up to them."

Ayotte is one of more than a half dozen Republican senators whose fate this fall is critical to saving the GOP's beleaguered Senate majority. And with Trump's standing now eroding rapidly in battleground states, Republican senators need to convince Hillary Clinton voters to split their ticket, warning of the perils of one-party rule in Washington.

For Ayotte, that means spotlighting her criticism of Trump while painting her Democratic opponent, New Hampshire Gov. Maggie Hassan, as a candidate who would simply toe the party line. Selling voters on her independent bona fides may be her best hope.

"The people of New Hampshire need to know are you ever going to disagree with your nominee? And unfortunately, Gov. Hassan has not," Ayotte said.

In an interview in Boscawen, New Hampshire, Hassan said she does differ with Clinton on some issues -- like the former secretary of state's support for closing the prison in Guantanamo Bay and on an online sales tax issue. But Hassan is aligning herself closely with Clinton, stumping with Sen. Tim Kaine at a Manchester rally last weekend and touting the former secretary of state's candidacy in an interview.

"I think that Hillary Clinton and I work for many of the same things, expanding middle class opportunity so that everybody who wants to work hard to get ahead can stay ahead," Hassan said Monday

Yet, being tied too closely with Clinton carries its own risks, with 64% of voters nationally in a recent CNN-ORC poll saying that the former first lady is not honest or trustworthy.

Asked three times if she believes Clinton is honest, Hassan would not answer directly. "I support Hillary Clinton for the presidency because her experience and her record demonstrate that she is qualified to hold the job," Hassan said.

Asked again if she believed Clinton is honest, Hassan touted Clinton's agenda. And asked a third time, Hassan ultimately said: "She has demonstrated a commitment always to something beyond her self, bigger than herself."

The Hassan campaign later clarified the governor's statement, saying she does indeed believe that Clinton is honest.

In the interview, the governor also did not express concerns over FBI Director James Comey's sharp criticism of Clinton's handling of classified emails as "extremely careless."

"If she could rewind and do it differently she would," Hassan said. "But she can't do that. What she has had to do is learn from that mistake and move forward.... And so that's what I expect her to do."

Difference between vote and endorsement?

Despite Trump's slumping numbers in her state, the GOP nominee still has a vocal base of support, given that he routed his fellow Republicans in the presidential primary here in February.

And that has made it harder -- if not impossible -- for Ayotte to completely separate herself from Trump, even as she has criticized his proposed ban on Muslims entering the United States and his fight with a Gold Star family.

Ayotte says there's a difference between voting for someone and endorsing them.

"There's actually a big distinction: Everyone gets a vote, I do too," Ayotte said. "And an endorsement is when you are campaigning with someone."

Ayotte said the situation differs from 2012 when she was barnstorming the state with Mitt Romney -- something she won't do for Trump when he comes to the Granite State.

"While he has my vote he doesn't have my endorsement," Ayotte said of Trump. "I'm going to continue to focus on my race and getting out to people what I have done and getting results for people in New Hampshire."

Hassan, sensing an opening, fired back.

"I think people should hear that statement for what it is: She is trying have it both ways," Hassan said. "What you see the senator doing is saying she will put her party before the national security and safety of our country. I think that is inexcusable."

GOP congressmen ask RNC to move money away from Trump

And giving Democrats fodder, Ayotte refused to say twice if she trusted Trump having his finger on the nuclear codes, launching into a criticism of President Barack Obama and saying Congress would be able to stand up to a President Trump.

"I think, again, we have a system, a strong system, of checks and balances," Ayotte said. "Certainly when he is elected, if he is elected, I would hope that he will surround himself with very knowledgeable people."

What has put Ayotte in an awkward spot was the decision by her fellow New England senator, Maine's Susan Collins, to announce last week that she would not vote for Trump, warning he would make a perilous world "even more dangerous."

Asked about that contention, Ayotte said: "I respect her but each person has to make their own individual decision on who they're going to vote for. And so that's what I've done."

Ayotte suggests Trump release his tax returns

Ayotte's relationship with Trump was thrust back in the news when the nominee told The Washington Post earlier this month that the senator was "weak." A few days later under pressure from his party, Trump announced he would support and endorse Ayotte's candidacy.

Sensing an opportunity to again distance herself from the top of the ticket, Ayotte pushed back.

"Hey listen, I call it like I see it," Ayotte said. "And when he criticizes me, I just said very clearly if I have his endorsement or not, I'm going to continue calling it like I see it for the people of New Hampshire."

Asked if she would stand up to Trump and demand the release of his tax returns, Ayotte suggested he should. But she didn't seem too concerned about it.

"I think that in the presidential race it's better if he releases them," Ayotte said. "But he's got to make that call."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/16/politics/kelly-ayotte-trump-hassan-new-hampshire/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Clinton Announces Transition Leadership Should She Win in November
08/16/2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-transition-team_us_57b3076de4b0863b02849e95?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 16, 2016, 06:42:08 PM
Pollster Zogby: 'Back to a close race,' Clinton 38%, Trump 36%
By Paul Bedard (@SecretsBedard) • 8/16/16

The convention polling bumps for Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton and Republican Donald Trump are over, and they are practically even, according to a new poll of likely voters.
 
A Zogby Analytics survey provided to Secrets Tuesday shows:
 
Hillary Clinton 38%
 
Donald Trump 36%

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pow-its-just-a-2-point-race-clinton-38-trump-36/article/2599471
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 16, 2016, 06:46:44 PM
You have hit rock bottom

Everyone I know who has been shortsighted enough to donate to either party, has been endlessly hounded after.  And the main technique used is to make the person feel he or she is a "player" and "in the loop" with the "bigshots".  They use emails and "handwritten letters" etc.  Love to punch every one of them right in the face.

Like OzmO says: Get Money Out Of Politics!!

(Btw, I know Prime realizes all this and he's just having fun.)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: andreisdaman on August 17, 2016, 09:38:54 AM
You have hit rock bottom

so in other words, he's reached your level???
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 17, 2016, 01:20:24 PM
Another shakeup.  Will it work?

Trump shakes up campaign, prepares to roll out long-awaited ads
Published August 17, 2016
FoxNews.com
 
Donald Trump, hitting reset on his 2016 campaign, is preparing to roll out his first wave of general election TV ads in four pivotal battleground states after shaking up the top echelon of his team in a bid to focus his message and make up lost ground in the polls against Hillary Clinton.

“I am committed to doing whatever it takes to win this election, and ultimately become President because our country cannot afford four more years of the failed Obama-Clinton policies which have endangered our financial and physical security,” the Republican nominee said in a statement early Wednesday announcing the latest staffing changes.

In what was described as an expansion, Trump promoted pollster Kellyanne Conway to campaign manager and named Stephen Bannon, the co-founder of Breitbart News, as campaign chief executive. Trump said in the statement that Paul Manafort, who took over following the departure of Corey Lewandowski in June, will maintain his current title and work closely with Conway and Bannon on the campaign moving forward.

Meanwhile, a senior Trump aide told Fox News the campaign will be rolling out TV ads Friday in the battleground states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and North Carolina.

This would be three days earlier than Manafort originally planned – the campaign had been preparing to launch ads after the Olympics, which end Sunday. Clinton, though, has been plastering the airwaves with ads, while taking a significant post-convention lead in a number of battleground and national polls.

Trump seems to be changing up his approach, amid concerns that his off-the-cuff style could be hurting him in the general election environment. In a shift, he delivered a scripted speech to a rally audience Tuesday night in Wisconsin, appealing to minority voters in part by accusing Clinton of "bigotry" and saying she sees African-Americans as no more than votes to be won.

In an interview with Fox News, Trump voiced confidence in the state of his campaign.

“We’ve got a lot of money in the bank and I haven’t spent any of it,” he said, while confirming his campaign would be airing ads soon.

“We’ve got some pretty good ads,” he said.

In a statement, Trump also called Conway and Bannon “extremely capable.”

Conway told Fox News that “everyone else” on the campaign will remain in place.

“This is an expansion during the busy homestretch in the campaign,” she added.

Trump will step off the stump Wednesday in order to attend his first classified briefing from intelligence officials, at the FBI office in New York.

On a conference call, Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook suggested little would change for Trump despite the staffing changes.

“What’s become clear from this is that no matter how much the establishment wants to clean Donald Trump up … and get him on message, he has officially won the fight to let Trump be Trump,” he said. “It’s time that we believe him.”

Though Trump previously has resisted repeated calls from fellow Republicans to change his approach on the campaign trail that has powered his surge to the top of the GOP field in the primary season, recent poll numbers have showed that Clinton has a sizeable lead in several key states. It could force Trump to pivot as the campaign moves forward, though he still downplays that possibility.

"You know, I am who I am," he told a local Wisconsin television station Tuesday. "It's me. I don't want to change. Everyone talks about, 'Oh, well you're going to pivot, you're going to.' I don't want to pivot. I mean, you have to be you. If you start pivoting, you're not being honest with people."

The Associated Press reported that the moves were discussed at a lengthy senior staff meeting at Trump Tower Tuesday while the billionaire mogul was on the road. Additional senior hires are expected to come in the next few days.

Trump, whose campaign is built on his persona as a winner, said several times that the campaign is "doing well," and said his speech hours earlier in Wisconsin Tuesday was well-received.

"We're going to be doing something very dramatic," Trump added.

In the Wisconsin outing, Trump accused Clinton of "bigotry" and being "against the police," claiming that she and other Democrats have "betrayed the African American community" and pandered for votes.

Clinton campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri responded with a statement early Wednesday accusing Trump of being the bigot instead.

"With each passing Trump attack, it becomes clearer that his strategy is just to say about Hillary Clinton what's true of himself. When people started saying he was temperamentally unfit, he called Hillary the same. When his ties to the Kremlin came under scrutiny, he absurdly claimed that Hillary was the one who was too close to Putin. Now he's accusing her of bigoted remarks -- We think the American people will know which candidate is guilty of the charge," she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/17/trump-shakes-up-campaign-prepares-to-roll-out-long-awaited-ads.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 17, 2016, 02:06:02 PM
Prime, are you all excited from thinking it's a handwritten note?

You know better than that.

Nope, not excited at all. It's handwritten but not sent personally to me, therefore it is generic. No doubt millions of these are sent out to those who've donated.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 17, 2016, 02:08:28 PM
You have hit rock bottom

Don't take it too seriously. The donation was only for $10.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 17, 2016, 02:08:52 PM
Nope, not excited at all. It's handwritten but not sent personally to me, therefore it is generic. No doubt millions of these are sent out to those who've donated.

But you're not saying Hillary's writing millions of notes, are you?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 17, 2016, 02:15:01 PM
Don't take it too seriously. The donation was only for $10.

could have fed some poor kenyan immigrant like obama when he was a child in Africa for a month on $10 and instead you sent it to hillary who is worth hundreds of millions.


Makes a lot of sense to me.   ::)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2016, 03:20:00 PM
Nope, not excited at all. It's handwritten but not sent personally to me, therefore it is generic. No doubt millions of these are sent out to those who've donated.

I'd donate $1 to the trump campaign if he'd return a note like that with my name on it.

Only I'd change my name to read something like "Dick Fungus" or "Dem Plant".   Would be a cool icebreaker at parties.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
could have fed some poor kenyan immigrant like obama when he was a child in Africa for a month on $10 and instead you sent it to hillary who is worth hundreds of millions.


Makes a lot of sense to me.   ::)

i agree with ya there.  anyone who send trump a dollar while he brags about being worth ten billion is silly.   Anyone who donates to hilary and doesn't receive, say, 20% of the US uranium rights like Russia did, is also silly. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 17, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
could have fed some poor kenyan immigrant like obama when he was a child in Africa for a month on $10 and instead you sent it to hillary who is worth hundreds of millions.


Makes a lot of sense to me.   ::)

Who says I don't also send money to Africa, etc.

HRC's worth is irrelevant. Trump is contributing more of his personal wealth than any other presidential contender. The only other candidates contributing to their own campaigns are: retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who has so far reported contributing $25,000; former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at $368,147; and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at $388,720.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 17, 2016, 05:23:42 PM
In the event you were wondering about what happens should either Clinton or Trump drop out of the race, I am posting the following information: "For Republicans, a hypothetical disappearance of Trump for reasons not due to health would have them looking at Rule 9 of the Republican National Committee policies. If a vacancy opened up, the GOP would have an opportunity to reconvene for a second convention or have the party name a new candidate. House Speakers, runners-up, or prospective vice presidents could all conceivably have a shot at the open slot, but the party is free to choose anyone and the states would retain the same number of delegates they had during the convention.

Similarly, the Democratic Party’s bylaws stipulate that a special meeting would be called by its chairperson to find a proper replacement. In both cases, the parties would hope the nominee would announce his or her intentions no later than September in order to find a suitable replacement. If they didn't, it’s possible Congress could take the unprecedented step of pushing back Election Day."

http://mentalfloss.com/article/84188/what-happens-if-presidential-nominee-drops-out
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2016, 06:19:54 PM
Biden/Warren would motivate the left/dem base and do way better than hilary.

Ryan/Rubio (rubio making lots of noise lately ;) ) would be very good for motivating the repub base to vote.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 18, 2016, 12:18:43 AM
Biden/Warren would motivate the left/dem base and do way better than hilary.

Ryan/Rubio (rubio making lots of noise lately ;) ) would be very good for motivating the repub base to vote.

So given the parties' rules, is there any hope of this happening? Anything has got to be better than the current offerings.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on August 18, 2016, 07:36:16 AM
IRS - Hope you plan to audit these assholes.

Think Twice Before Using This Company

Jill Martinelli and Sabine Le Guyader have been designing the jewelry line Lady Grey since 2009, and in that time, Beyoncé and Rihanna have worn their designs. But their most famous customer interaction may be the one they just had with Ivanka Trump. Yesterday afternoon, Martinelli and Le Guyader posted a handwritten note to Trump, who just purchased one of their cuffs. The letter reads, "Dear Ivanka, Thank you for your web order! We're happy to let you know that the proceeds of your sale have been generously donated to the American Immigration Council, the Everytown for Gun Safety Organization, and the Hillary Clinton campaign. We hope you enjoy your new Lady Grey #helixcuff. Best, Sabine and Jill."

The two made their Instagram account private as of this morning, but have since made it public again. "The note was included in her package and shipped last week directly from our studio in Brooklyn," Martinelli told the Cut in an e-mail. "While we were flattered to receive an order from Ivanka Trump, our social and political views couldn't be further from those of the Trump campaign. When we received her order, we instantly felt compelled to take the money and donate it to a few organizations that were more aligned with our ideals." Presumably, Christie Brinkley is cheering somewhere.

(https://s3.postimg.org/lvw29ca03/ivanka18n_2_web.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 19, 2016, 12:29:17 PM
Pew Poll: Clinton Leads Trump By 4 Points
By Sandy Fitzgerald   |    Friday, 19 Aug 2016

Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton leads by 4 points over GOP nominee Donald Trump in a new Pew Research Center poll that includes Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein.

According to the poll, released Thursday:
•Clinton: 41 percent;
•Trump: 37 percent;
•Johnson: 10 percent;
•Stein: 4 percent.

Independent candidate Evan McMullin, who only recently announced his candidacy, was not included in the poll of 2,010 adults conducted from August 9-16. The survey carried an overall margin of error of 2.5 percentage points.

The demographic differences are remaining consistent, reports Pew:

•Women: Clinton, 49-30 percent;
•Men: Trump, 45-33 percent;
•Voters with postgraduate degrees: Clinton, 59-21 percent;
•College graduates, Clinton, 47-34 percent;
•Some college experience: Trump, 41-36 percent;
•White voters without a degree: Trump 51-26 percent;
•College educated white voters: Clinton, 47-33 percent.
•White Protestants: Trump, 63-17 percent;
•Voters not affiliated with a religion: Clinton, 56-19 percent.

Supporters for both Trump and Clinton said their decision was made to vote against one or the other of the candidates, rather than for the candidate.

With Trump supporters, 44 percent said their vote is for Trump himself, while 53 percent said they were voting for him to oppose Clinton.

On Clinton's side 46 percent said they were voting for her to oppose Trump, while 53 percent said they were voting for her on her own merits.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Pew-Clinton-Leads-Trump/2016/08/19/id/744284/#ixzz4HoAKXlYE
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 19, 2016, 12:31:01 PM
Sabato: New Map Shows Hillary Surpasses 270 Electoral College Votes
By Sandy Fitzgerald   |    Friday, 19 Aug 2016

Hillary Clinton is the clear front-runner in the presidential race, political analyst Larry Sabato said Friday, pointing to his new electoral map that shows the Democratic nominee is already far past the 270 Electoral College votes she needs to win the election.

But, he said, there is still time for Donald Trump to mount a Harry Truman-like comeback.

"She has 348 electoral votes right now," Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, told Fox News' "Fox and Friends" program. "Donald Trump has 190. Even the new campaign manager for Donald Trump, our friend Kellyanne Conway, has said that Donald Trump is indeed the underdog. And you have to embrace your role if you're going to change it."

Trump could learn a great deal from late President Harry Truman, said Sabato, referring to the late president as the "patron saint of candidates who are behind."

Truman was an incumbent who "captured the spirit of the underdog."

In Sabato's report, posted on his "Crystal Ball" website, New Hampshire, with just four electoral votes, is coming into play, with Clinton leading by about seven to eight points. The state is a reliable one for Democrats, after choosing John Kerry in 2004 and President Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

The projection site also counts Clinton as having 273 electoral votes from safe states and likely Democratic states, which puts her over the 270-vote threshold needed to win the presidency for the first time.

The Crystal Ball moved New Hampshire from leans Democrat to likely Democrat in the edition published on Thursday because the Democratic nominee has a seven- to eight-point lead according to polls in the state.

Sabato, Kyle Kondik, and Geoffrey Skelley wrote in their report that Trump is enjoying a surge of support among blue-collar, white voters who did not graduate from college, but that backing is not stretching to New Hampshire, which has the fourth largest percentage of white college graduates in the United States.

Trump still has the potential for plays in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Iowa, and without counting toss-up states, Sabato's latest battleground map shows Clinton firmly in the lead.

This means Trump needs to find a way not only to sweep the Republican states, but to turn one of the states deemed likely or safe Democratic to his side, the report's writers said, advising followers that anything can happen between now and November, but they would not "recommend betting your children's college funds on a Trump administration."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/larry-sabato-hillary-clinton-electoral-college-votes/2016/08/19/id/744349/#ixzz4HoApvOJ0
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 19, 2016, 12:33:56 PM
Paul Manafort Resigns as Head of Trump Campaign
The latest shakeup in the Trump campaign comes amid reports of Manafort's work with pro-Russian forces in Ukraine
08/19/2016
Sam Levine
Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-manafort-donald-trump_us_57b711aee4b0b51733a2dca3?axfx6obe2s7zaor&
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 19, 2016, 02:29:26 PM
 :o  I am still in the "Never Trump" camp, but I give him props for this.  It has Kellyanne Conway written all over it.  His campaign shakeup is paying dividends already. 

The art of the apology: Trump issues uncharacteristic mea culpa
Published August 19, 2016
FoxNews.com

A kinder, gentler Donald Trump?

After a yearlong maiden voyage into politics in which he never uttered “sorry" -- even when he said a judge couldn’t be trusted because of his Mexican heritage, called his primary opponents names and more recently mused ambiguously that “Second Amendment people” might be able to do something about future Supreme Court nominations -- Trump appears to have discovered the art of the apology.

"Sometimes, in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong thing,” Trump said Thursday night at a rally in Charlotte, N.C. “I have done that. And believe it or not, I regret it. And I do regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain. Too much is at stake for us to be consumed with these issues."

Even those closest to Trump acknowledged the comments marked a new phase. On Friday, Eric Trump in an interview with Fox News suggested "Humble Trump" as a new nickname for his developer dad, whose buildings famously are gilded with marble and gold.

The non-specific mea culpa caught many by surprise, and came on the heels of the Trump campaign earlier this week naming bare-knuckles brawler and Breitbart boss Steven Bannon its chief executive. Trump backers have been begging him to tone down his blustery rhetoric ever since he won the GOP nomination and entered the general race against Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

Thursday’s uncharacteristic contrition was followed by another vow: "But one thing I can promise you is this: I will always tell you the truth."

Trump sort of apologized after insulting John McCain's war record. (Associated Press)

It also came as Trump planned a Friday trip to flood-stricken Lousiana, where tens of thousands of people have been displaced.

As much surprise as Trump’s comments generated, it was not the first time in the campaign that he gave what at least could be interpreted as an apology. After saying more than a year ago that people consider Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who served five years in a Vietnam POW camp a hero "because he was captured — I like people who weren't captured," Trump walked back his remarks on Fox News Channel.

"Certainly if there was a misunderstanding, I would totally take that back," Trump told “O’Reilly Factor” host Bill O'Reilly days later.

He also expressed regret about retweeting an unflattering photo of primary rival Ted Cruz’s wife, next to a glam shot of his own former model spouse.

“If I had to do it again, I wouldn't have sent it," Trump told The New York Times.

Until Thursday, that was about as close as he got to offering up an apology.

The comments came days after Trump named tough-talking Steven Bannon campaign CEO.

In addition to bringing on Bannon, the Trump campaign named longtime Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway campaign manager. Conway previously had expressed that “letting Trump be Trump” is a key to his success, but that she also would like to see a more serious tone and fewer insults.

“Maybe it’s just the mother in me,” she told The Washington Post this week.

Trump's Charlotte remarks, which were scripted, were not the first time he's signaled a pivot. He's repeatedly said that he planned to strike a more “presidential tone” as the Nov. 8 election approached -- but just as often, he has vowed to never change.

“I am who I am,” he told a Wisconsin radio station earlier this week. “It's me. I don't want to change. Everyone talks about, 'Oh are you going to pivot?' I don't want to pivot. You have to be you. If you start pivoting you are not being honest with people."

Not accepting Trump’s mea culpa -- and perhaps not surprisingly -- was the Clinton campaign.

"Donald Trump literally started his campaign by insulting people," Clinton spokeswoman Christina Reynolds said in a statement. "We learned tonight that his speechwriter and teleprompter knows he has much for which he should apologize. But that apology tonight is simply a well-written phrase until he tells us which of his many offensive, bullying and divisive comments he regrets -- and changes his tune altogether."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/19/art-apology-trump-issues-uncharacteristic-mea-culpa.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 25, 2016, 12:52:59 PM
After Clinton bounce, polls indicate tightening race in key battlegrounds
Published August 24, 2016
FoxNews.com

Hillary Clinton’s post-convention bounce may be coming back down to earth – at least in some parts of the country – as new polls show a tightening race against Donald Trump in several battleground states, especially when Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson is factored in.

A Monmouth University Poll released Wednesday showed Clinton holding onto just a 2-point lead in North Carolina.

She leads Trump 44-42 percent in the state, while Johnson is pulling 7 percent. The poll also shows Trump with a double-digit lead among independents.

North Carolina is one of several battleground states considered critical to Trump’s hopes of capturing the presidency in November. He still trails in most swing state polls, but the latest from Monmouth University marks an improvement over a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist survey showing him down by 9 points in the state.

“North Carolina has given us tight presidential races over the last two cycles and this year appears to be no different,” Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute, said in a statement.

Meanwhile, another poll released Wednesday, by Florida Atlantic University, showed Trump leading by 2 points in Florida, 43-41 percent. Just last week, Monmouth University showed Trump down by 9 points in the state.

And a separate Monmouth University Poll released Monday showed Clinton holding a 4-point lead over Trump in Ohio. The survey likewise showed Johnson, who is expected to appear on the state’s ballot, pulling a sizable amount of support, with 10 percent.

Trump still has a long way to go in the polls, considering Clinton has a far more substantial lead in swing states like Pennsylvania and Virginia.

But the slight movement in his favor comes as the Republican presidential nominee has been barnstorming the country at rallies, town halls and fundraisers – yet Clinton has mostly stuck exclusively to private fundraisings events over the past week.

She was making a swing Wednesday through Silicon Valley to raise cash, while Trump was holding rallies in Florida and Mississippi.

Trump has been hammering Clinton at these stops over a string of reports about the overlap between the Clinton Foundation and State Department under her tenure. Most recently, the Associated Press reported Tuesday that more than half of the people outside government who met with Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money to the foundation.

"It is impossible to figure out where the Clinton Foundation ends and where the State Department begins," Trump told supporters in Austin on Tuesday night.

The Clinton campaign countered that the AP report “relies on utterly flawed data” and “cherry-picked a limited subset of Secretary Clinton's schedule to give a distorted portrayal of how often she crossed paths with individuals connected to charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation.”

The latest Monmouth University Poll in North Carolina was conducted Aug. 20-23. The poll of 401 likely voters in the state had a margin of error of 4.9 percentage points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/24/after-clinton-bounce-polls-indicate-tightening-race-in-key-battlegrounds.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on August 26, 2016, 05:15:47 AM
New Trump Ad: Clinton's Racist Remarks about "Super Predators"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJkj25RD44E/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BJkj25RD44E/)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 26, 2016, 08:11:06 AM
New Trump Ad: Clinton's Racist Remarks about "Super Predators"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJkj25RD44E/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BJkj25RD44E/)

Trump FINALLY had something that was getting traction on CLinton... the emails.  He FINALLY had something that msnbc was starting shows with.  He was being quiet, he was using the same stump speech for 7 straight shows, and he was making traction in the polls.

SO he had to change that, of course ;)

He calls hilary a bigot, which really isn't going to help him. But it sure is helping her suddenly ;)   He finally had her on the ropes, so he completely snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on August 26, 2016, 08:20:02 AM
Trump FINALLY had something that was getting traction on CLinton... the emails.  He FINALLY had something that msnbc was starting shows with.  He was being quiet, he was using the same stump speech for 7 straight shows, and he was making traction in the polls.

SO he had to change that, of course ;)

He calls hilary a bigot, which really isn't going to help him. But it sure is helping her suddenly ;)   He finally had her on the ropes, so he completely snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. 

e-mails aren't going away.

the emails haven't gotten Hillary in trouble yet.
he is consistently going after blacks and Hispanics here lately.

the real damaging emails are supposed to drop before election anyways.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 26, 2016, 08:32:13 AM
e-mails aren't going away.

but you have to agree, they're not the monster headline they were last week.  FOX and MSNBC are both covering trump and hilary calling each other racists and bigots.  and trump's flipflopping.   Emails are a distant third place now.

He had her in a bad spot.  Now we're seeing his flipflops on loop, and we're seeing all his far-right CTer things on display.   

So while they aren't going away, we aren't hearing about them.  That helps hilary. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 29, 2016, 12:48:41 PM
Clinton leads Trump by 7 in new poll
By Jonathan Swan
August 29, 2016

Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump nationally by 7 percentage points, a slight narrowing of the margin she held after the Democratic National Convention, according to a new poll.

The latest Monmouth University poll has 46 percent of likely voters backing the Democratic presidential nominee compared with 39 percent supporting the Republican nominee, Trump.

That's a tightening of the 13-point margin Clinton held earlier this month following her bounce out of the Democratic convention in Philadelphia.

“The margin has narrowed since her post-convention bounce, but Clinton is holding onto an underlying advantage over Trump among key voting blocs,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

In the latest Monmouth poll, 7 percent of likely voters support the Libertarian Party's nominee, Gary Johnson, while only 2 percent back Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Those numbers signal that neither third-party candidate is likely to make the 15 percent threshold required to be allowed onto the debate stage with Trump and Clinton.

Asked what was the most interesting finding in Monmouth's latest poll, Murray said it was the unprecedented proportion of voters who hold negative views of both major-party candidates.

"The number that really jumps out at me is the 35 percent of voters who don't have a positive opinion of either of them," Murray told The Hill in a telephone interview Monday.

"We have never seen anything like that."

Murray said he reviewed polling data back to the 1984 presidential election and found that the previous highest proportion of voters who didn't like either presidential nominee was 9 percent in the 1992 election between Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush.

Murray added that his polling found that voters deeply distrust Clinton and Trump, and that voters' mistrust of both is illuminated by two issues that have been dominating the news lately.

For Clinton, most voters — 54 percent — thought that donors to the Clinton Foundation were given special treatment during Clinton's tenure as secretary of State.

And for Trump, only 24 percent of voters believed his excuse that the reason he isn't releasing his tax returns is because they were being audited by the IRS.

Still, while the trustworthy polls are terrible for both candidates, Murray said that Clinton's lead over Trump in favorability ratings — 34 percent to 26 percent — is a good omen for her on election day.

"If you take the differences between the net favorability of one candidate over the other, you will find it's within 2 points of what the final margin is," Murray said.

"It's a good indicator."

The new poll of 802 registered voters, conducted between Aug. 25-28, has a 3.5 percent margin of error.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/293674-clinton-leads-trump-by-7-in-new-poll
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 29, 2016, 03:20:25 PM
I agree with him.

Note to MSM: This Race Isn’t Over
Media cites the polls, the polls, but Election 2016 begins on Labor Day
by Keith Koffler | Updated 29 Aug 2016

It looks grim for Donald Trump. So say the bellyachers in the Republican Party and the early celebrators in the Democratic Party — and the media.

He’s down 10 points in some polls! Somebody get Hillary a good real estate agent so she can rent out her Chappaqua digs!

Well, Hillary may be measuring the drapes in the Oval Office, but it’s hardly curtains for Donald Trump.

Well, Hillary may be measuring the drapes in the Oval Office, but it’s hardly curtains for Donald Trump. For many reasons, Trump is in far better shape than he seems — and is actually in an excellent position to win.

Let’s start with the most obvious fact: Election Day is 10 solid weeks away. Washington groupthink tends to hold that because something is a certain way, it will continue on that path forever — and then everyone is shocked when something changes. But after the conventions, most Americans went back to their lives, enjoying the final days of summer and tuning out politics.

Presidential races tighten up toward Election Day. The same people who brought you the inevitable President Jeb Bush are now bringing you the certainty of a Clinton coronation. But the election race begins the day after Labor Day, when Americans (at least the undecided ones) get down to the serious task of choosing who they’ll support for president.

Still — the polls, the polls! The mainstream media says the polls show this race is all over — everywhere. Shut 'er down, no point in even holding the vote. You'd think America was North Korea, where the elections find the front-runner taking in 99.9879 percent of the vote.

But, you want polls? Let's look at actual polls. The big, scary polls showing Clinton ahead by 10 or 12 points tend to get the most attention. But as of Friday, Clinton was ahead of Trump by only 6 points in the RealClearPolitics average of recent polls. Some of the latest polls put the two neck and neck. And it's still August.

Still, Clinton isn't running against Trump. She's running against Trump, Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, who will each be on the ballot in all or nearly all of the states. When you factor in those two, neither of whom have a chance of winning, Clinton is ahead of Trump by only 4.5 points.

Yes, all this drama for a 4.5-point lead in August.

And Trump is even closer to Clinton in the polling averages of swing states he needs to take to get to 270 electoral votes. Trump is down by just 3.7 points in Florida, 4 points in Ohio, 3 points in North Carolina, 2.3 points in Nevada, and 0.2 points in Iowa. And he trails by just 3 points in the most recent poll in Oregon. If he wins those states and defends the ones he is supposed to win, he is at 271 electoral votes. And that's without Virginia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Colorado or New Hampshire, states in which Clinton is decently ahead — but which some think may come into play.

Plus, Trump is finally running a more disciplined campaign, focusing on his policies and attacking Hillary Clinton instead of Khizr and Ghazala Khan.

And Trump is just now starting to spend money on ads. Clinton has saturated the airwaves, and Trump will finally start to have a say with anyone not fast-forwarding through the commercials. This may well help move some polls his way as Hillary's message gets redundant and Trump's selling points get a first look.

And how many people are lying about their preferences to pollsters? Trump is vilified in the media, and by Clinton and her many surrogates, as not just wrong for the country, but evil, racist, dumb, greedy, dishonest, reckless, and just plain mean. So, imagine some bright young thing — or perhaps someone with a Hispanic accent — is on the phone asking you if you support Trump. It may not be so easy for many, particularly independents, to acknowledge they'd vote for such a supposedly horrible person.

"Ashamed" Trump supporters are a widely accepted and understood polling phenomenon. The only thing that is unclear is how many of them there are.

Trump has also begun an aggressive outreach to minority voters. He has, in polling with Latinos and African-Americans, nowhere to go but up. And even small gains among these demographics could make a huge difference in states with large minority populations, which include most of the swing states.

People also seem to forget that the only debates that have occurred have been in TV studios between Trump and Clinton surrogates, or between Trump surrogates and journalists. One of the keys to Trump's victory in the primaries was his strong performance in the debates, where he relegated Jeb Bush from a giant to a lilliputian who, each debate — as Trump pointed out — was positioned further and further to the edge of the stage. Until, of course, he was off it entirely.

Trump also has far more to gain than Clinton during the debates. Many voters who don't like him are independents and moderate Republicans who may not have been paying such close attention during the primaries. Trump has a chance to reintroduce himself and assuage some of their fears, as stoked by the media, that he is a scary person who knows nothing about policy.

Trump is better known as a reality show host, and during the debates he can demonstrate his ability to sound presidential. Hillary, by contrast, is a known quantity on the political stage. Trump will have a chance to dispatch her with stinging criticisms in the manner he did with his hapless opponents during the Republican primaries.

And then, of course, there are the emails. We may not have seen the worst yet of Clinton's self-damaging missives. Wikileaks' Julian Assange has all but promised an "October surprise," indicating he has held some of the juicy stuff back for later use.

But perhaps the most important factor that should give Trump's supporters cause for optimism is the most essential dynamic of the election — this is simply not a status quo year. Americans are not happy with the way things are going, with respect to foreign policy, the economy, and even the culture of the country.

Nobody is more status quo than Hillary Clinton. And nobody is less so than Donald Trump.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/note-to-msm-this-race-isnt-over/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 30, 2016, 10:23:45 AM
Poll: Trump-Clinton Tied in Ohio, Close in Michigan, Pennsylvania
By Mark Swanson   |   Monday, 29 Aug 2016

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are deadlocked in Ohio and close in both Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to Emerson College's first general election poll.

The state-by-state results:

Ohio:

Donald Trump 42 percent
Hillary Clinton 42 percent
Gary Johnson 10 percent
Jill Stein 2 percent

Pennsylvania:


Clinton 46 percent
Trump 43 percent
Johnson 7 percent
Stein 2 percent
Michigan:

Clinton 45 percent
Trump 40 percent
Johnson 7 percent
Stein 3 percent

One demographic that varies wildly between the three states is with millennials:

Ohio: Clinton leads Trump by 18 points, 50 percent to 32 percent

Pennsylvania: Clinton leads Trump by just 3 points, 42 percent to 39 percent
Michigan: Trump leads Clinton by 12, 45 percent to 33 percent

Trump is leading among independent voters in all three Rust Belt states, ranging from a one-point lead in Michigan to a 17-point lead in Ohio; he leads 43 percent to 37 percent in Pennsylvania.

The favorability ratings for each candidate are rather consistent across the three key battleground states, too:

Ohio

Trump: 41 percent view favorably; 57 percent view unfavorably
Clinton: 42 percent view favorably; 56 percent view unfavorably

Michigan:

Trump: 40 percent view favorably; 55 percent view unfavorably
Clinton: 45 percent view favorably; 52 percent view unfavorably

Pennsylvania:

Trump: 40 percent view favorably; 58 percent view unfavorably
Clinton: 42 percent view favorably; 55 percent view unfavorably

The Emerson College Ohio poll was conducted from Aug. 25 to 27; the Michigan and Pennsylvania polls were conducted Aug. 25 to 28. The samples consisted of 800 likely general election voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.4 percent.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-emerson-poll/2016/08/29/id/745715/#ixzz4IpyXwwOl
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 30, 2016, 10:27:02 AM
This forecast changes daily.  Interesting to look at the trends.  Hillary had a huge lead.  Trump had a slight light on 30 July.  Hillary a huge lead after the convention, which she maintains, but things are starting to tighten again. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 30, 2016, 10:43:24 AM
This forecast changes daily.  Interesting to look at the trends.  Hillary had a huge lead.  Trump had a slight light on 30 July.  Hillary a huge lead after the convention, which she maintains, but things are starting to tighten again. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

just like 2008.... mccain had a lead twice.   once after winning the delegates, once after the convention.  This is 2008 all over again.  It'd take a miracle for trump to have a clear lead like hilary has.  He'll look okay in a swing poll here and there, but with his massive money disadvantage, he NEEDS a 3-5 point lead to cleanly win it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on August 31, 2016, 06:38:43 AM
just like 2008.... mccain had a lead twice.   once after winning the delegates, once after the convention.  This is 2008 all over again.  It'd take a miracle for trump to have a clear lead like hilary has.  He'll look okay in a swing poll here and there, but with his massive money disadvantage, he NEEDS a 3-5 point lead to cleanly win it.

except this time, it ain't McCain.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2016, 06:50:12 AM
except this time, it ain't McCain.

Mccain was a veteran, with gravitas, experience, and lots of dignity.

Trump accused mika/joe of an affair, accused huma of terrorism, and various other unfounded dumb shit on a daily basis.  The RNC is broke thanks to him. The Dem Senate thanks him.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 31, 2016, 01:23:42 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-unpopular-poll_us_57c6fe23e4b0a22de0936fae?section=&


Historical Unpopularity
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 31, 2016, 01:41:31 PM
Current Electoral Vote: 262 Clinton/Kaine, Toss Ups 122, Trump/Pence 154

270 Electoral votes needed to win the Presidency.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on August 31, 2016, 01:44:55 PM
Current Electoral Vote: 262 Clinton/Kaine, Toss Ups 122, Trump/Pence 154

270 Electoral votes needed to win the Presidency.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Trump has a monster hill to climb.  But hilary is looking legit sick.  If she's sleeping 18 hours a day, that's huge.

did she have campaign events?  True she has nothing until debates?  Website said she had a few
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 31, 2016, 02:24:24 PM
Trump has a monster hill to climb.  But hilary is looking legit sick.  If she's sleeping 18 hours a day, that's huge.

did she have campaign events?  True she has nothing until debates?  Website said she had a few

There appears to be democratic campaign events booked right up until the election. Hillary is scheduled to be the main speaker at seven of these events (including the debates) through October 19. https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/  (https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/)

It appears Clinton commented/responded to Trump's "south of the boarder" visit.

Trump's offical website lists only three events where he's the speaker. Interesting the events calendar only goes through September 9.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule) This seems odd. -not sure what to make of it.


The picture of health?

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on August 31, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
Fox News Poll: Trump narrows Clinton's lead
By  Dana Blanton 
Published August 31, 2016
FoxNews.com

The race for the White House has narrowed.  A new Fox News Poll finds Donald Trump gaining ground in the head-to-head matchup, despite improvements from Hillary Clinton on top issues. 

In addition, this is the first time the poll offers a four-way presidential ballot (it preceded the two-way ballot). 

The poll finds Clinton garners 41 percent to Trump’s 39 percent, while Libertarian Gary Johnson receives 9 percent, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein gets 4 percent. 

The third-party candidates take more from Clinton than Trump, as she holds a six-point lead in the two-way matchup: 48-42 percent.  That’s at the edge of the poll’s margin of error.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE FULL POLL RESULTS

She had a 10-point head-to-head advantage earlier this month (49-39 percent), in the wake of the Democratic convention and Trump’s clash with the parents of a Gold Star soldier.

Clinton does well in the four-way ballot among blacks (+68 points), women (+15), and Hispanics (+19). 

Trump is favored by whites (+13 points), men (+13), whites without a college degree (+23), and white evangelical Christians (+55).

Independents go for Trump (38 percent) over Clinton (26 percent) and Johnson (20 percent), with Stein trailing (7 percent).

Party unity remains a problem for Trump, as only 74 percent of self-identified Republicans back him, while 81 percent of self-identified Democrats support Clinton. 

The four-way contest is also tight among just those who are “extremely” or “very” interested in the presidential race: Clinton 43 percent vs. Trump 42 percent, with Johnson at 7 percent and Stein at 3 percent.  That’s driven by the fact that Democrats (79 percent) and Republicans (80 percent) are about equally likely to say they are at least “very” interested.

The poll finds pros and cons for Trump.  His favorable rating hit a new high-water mark (42 percent).  Plus, the narrowing of Clinton’s lead in the head-to-head matchup is mostly due to Trump gaining ground rather than her losing support.  Yet he’s lost his advantage on handling top issues. 

More voters trust Clinton than Trump on terrorism by a three-point margin (49-46 percent) and the two candidates tie on handling the economy (48 percent each).  Trump led by 12 points on each of these issues as recently as May. 

On immigration, by a wide 77-19 percent margin, voters support setting up a system for illegal immigrants currently working in the United States to become legal residents over deporting them, and those supporting legalization back Clinton over Trump by 18 points.

“Trump has an opportunity to attract more support by moving off his hardline position on immigration.  Nearly half of Johnson and Stein supporters say they’d be more likely to vote for him if he did,” says Democratic pollster Chris Anderson, who conducts the Fox News Poll along with Republican pollster Daron Shaw. “Some of Trump’s supporters will be frustrated if he eases his promise of mass deportations, but they won’t find a more aggressive anti-immigration candidate elsewhere, so they’ll likely stick with him.”

And don’t expect major movement in the race over the next few weeks, as most Clinton (87 percent) and Trump (88 percent) supporters feel certain in their choice.  Plus, almost all non-Clinton supporters (87 percent) say they would “never” consider voting for her, and almost all non-Trump folks say the same about him (85 percent).

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,011 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from August 28-30, 2016.  The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/31/fox-news-poll-trump-narrows-clintons-lead.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 31, 2016, 06:02:43 PM
It most interesting comment I derived from this interview is that HRC is addicted to power. This seems plausible. What I don't get is why it would set her apart from Trump. He to, is clearly addicted to power. The fact that he supposedly lays his personal life out with no restraint for all the world to see, seems to prove how powerful or untouchable he believes he is. Only an egomaniac would have the guts to do this. Is being this narcissistic a plus or a minus?  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on August 31, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
It most interesting comment I derived from this interview is that HRC is addicted to power. This seem plausible. What I don't get is why it would set her apart from Trump. He to, is clearly addicted to power. The fact that he supposedly lays his personal life out with no restraint for all the world to see, seems to prove how powerful or untouchable he believes he is. Only an egomaniac would have the guts to do this. Is being this narcissistic a plus or a minus? 

Would love to see Dr. Stein have more influence or make a push in this election but she just seems stuck in that 2 to 4% range.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on August 31, 2016, 06:19:56 PM
Would love to see Dr. Stein have more influence or make a push in this election but she just seems stuck in that 2 to 4% range.

I know little about Dr. Stein so you'll get no argument from me. There has to be some reason she can't break out of that rut, which at this point is probably a good thing, depending on who you want elected president.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Rasmussen: Trump Takes 1-Point Lead Over Clinton
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=45a61ec4-64e3-4af1-b73d-97fa4559cb1d&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: Rasmussen: Trump Takes 1-Point Lead Over Clinton
(AP Images)
By Mark Swanson   |    Thursday, 01 Sep 2016

Donald Trump owns a national lead over Hillary Clinton for the first time since July, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports poll.

The latest results:

•Trump: 40 percent;
•Clinton: 39 percent;
•Gary Johnson: 7 percent;
•Jill Stein: 3 percent.

Clinton is down from a high of 44 percent support in early August, attributed to a post-convention bounce, according to Rasmussen.

Other results from the poll:

•Trump has support from 71 percent of Republicans;
•Clinton has 73 percent support from Democrats;
•Trump leads with men, 44 percent to 37 percent;
•Clinton leads with women, 41 percent to 36 percent.

Rasmussen surveyed 1,000 likely voters from Aug. 29-30. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95 percent level of confidence.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/rasmussen-poll-trump-slim/2016/09/01/id/746223/#ixzz4J1ZB7nPz
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 01, 2016, 10:23:29 AM
Would love to see Dr. Stein have more influence or make a push in this election but she just seems stuck in that 2 to 4% range.

Do you mean to say she'd possibly take numbers from Hillary?  Or that she has a good platform, or what?  IDK too much about it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 01:44:16 PM
Too close to call.   :o

Election Update: As The Race Tightens, Don’t Assume The Electoral College Will Save Clinton

By Nate Silver
Sep 1, 2016

The race between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump has tightened. Clinton, whose lead over Trump exceeded 8 percentage points at her peak following the Democratic convention, is ahead by 4 or 5 percentage points today, according to our polls-only forecast.

The tighter margins in the polls, which reflect a loss of support for Clinton along with a modest improvement for Trump, have come gradually over the past few weeks. The evidence of a tightening has become more widespread, however, and it’s particularly clear in polls that surveyed the race just after the conventions and are retaking its temperature now. Fox News’s national poll, for instance, had Clinton up by 9 points just after the conventions (in the version of the poll that included third-party candidates) and has her up by 2 points now.

There isn’t any guarantee that Trump will continue to gain ground. Over the course of the year, polls have oscillated between showing a dead heat at Trump’s best moments and a lead of 8 to 10 percentage points for Clinton at her peaks. We’re about halfway between those goal posts now. It’s plausible that the recent shift reflects Clinton’s convention bounce wearing off — reversion to the mean — as much as it does momentum for Trump per se. Most importantly, Clinton is still ahead, with a 74 percent chance of winning according to the polls-only model and a 70 percent chance according to polls-plus.

But what if the race continues to tighten? I’ve often heard Democrats express a belief that Clinton’s position in the swing states will protect her in the Electoral College even if the race draws to a dead heat overall. But this is potentially mistaken. Although it’s plausible that Clinton’s superior field operation will eventually pay dividends, so far her swing state results have ebbed and flowed with her national numbers.

Take Wisconsin, for example. At her peak, Clinton had a double-digit lead there, according to our polls-only forecast. By Wednesday morning, it had declined to an estimated 7 points, as a result of our model’s trend line adjustment — which adjusts polls in all states based on shifts it detects in the race overall — along with data from the Ipsos 50-state tracking poll.

We know that some readers don’t like the trend line adjustment. But if anything, the model hadn’t been aggressive enough. Two highly rated, traditional telephone polls of Wisconsin came out Wednesday, and they showed Clinton up by just 3 points and 5 points. The 3-point lead was in a poll from Marquette University, which had Clinton up by 13 points just after the Democratic National Convention. (As of Thursday morning, Clinton is projected to win by 5 points in Wisconsin, according to the polls-only model.)

Usually, the trend line adjustment helps the model peg what forthcoming polls will look like in a state even if there haven’t been many of them recently. When Clinton established a roughly 8-point lead nationally in August, for example, it figured we’d see polls showing her with leads of 10 to 12 percentage points in some of her better swing states, such as Michigan and Colorado, along with leads of 5 to 6 percentage points in swing states that are just slightly redder than the country as a whole, such as Ohio and Florida. And that’s pretty much what we saw, at least on average. Now that the race has tightened to 4 or 5 points nationally, the model expects to see narrower leads — along with some polls showing a tie or Trump slightly ahead in the more red-leaning swing states:

ADJUSTED POLLING AVERAGE

Clinton’s projected leads have shrunk in swing states

Keep in mind that these numbers are self-correcting. For instance, the model expects new Ohio polls to show Clinton ahead by 2 or 3 percentage points, provided they don’t have a strong Trump-leaning or Clinton-leaning house effect. If new surveys deviate significantly from that range, the model will adjust itself accordingly. But usually this method gets things about right. Swing states are swing states for a reason — they closely follow the overall national trend.

The other thing to notice about Clinton’s swing state polls is that they aren’t especially strong (or weak) relative to her national polls.1

At her post-convention peak, Clinton’s path of least resistance to 270 electoral votes appeared to run through a set of states that included Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and New Hampshire, among others. But in Pennsylvania, the most recent polls have Clinton ahead by margins ranging from 3 to 8 percentage points — perfectly fine, but not that different from her national numbers. We haven’t gotten much data recently from New Hampshire, but it can be swingy, and the most recent numbers from the Ipsos poll (caveat: very small sample size) showed Trump ahead. We did get some high-quality polls from Wisconsin, and, as I mentioned, they weren’t that good for Clinton.

The General Election Is About To Hit The Home Stretch
 
Overall, Clinton’s leads in the tipping-point states — the ones most likely to determine the Electoral College winner in a close election — average about 4 percentage points, close to her numbers in national polls.

With a tighter race, the model’s expectations for Clinton are lower. A new poll showing her up by 5 or 6 points in Florida or Ohio — which would have been a ho-hum result a few weeks ago — could be a terrific one for her today, depending on the pollster.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-as-the-race-tightens-dont-assume-the-electoral-college-will-save-clinton/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 01:52:10 PM
The good news is that in 2 weeks, when Biden/Kaine attack Trump and the cracks in his inconsistent immigration plan arrive... when his debate performance does nothing but make his base smile while the rest of the nation marvels at what an ass he is...

The good news is that when polls start to favor Hilary once again, we can all go back to pretending they're all stupid and dumb and wrong.   THIS week, yes, post that shit... polls are awesome.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 02:00:46 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 02:05:49 PM
Rassmussen is the only poll showing Trump leading hilary nationally?


wasnt rassmussen the only poll to claim Romney would win in 2012?   LOL!

Going Out on a Limb: Romney Beats Obama, Handily
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michael_barone/going_out_on_a_limb_romney_beats_obama_handily
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 02:07:50 PM
The good news is that in 2 weeks, when Biden/Kaine attack Trump and the cracks in his inconsistent immigration plan arrive... when his debate performance does nothing but make his base smile while the rest of the nation marvels at what an ass he is...

The good news is that when polls start to favor Hilary once again, we can all go back to pretending they're all stupid and dumb and wrong.   THIS week, yes, post that shit... polls are awesome.

A poll is particularly "awesome" when it is a sole report which was handpicked.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Rassmussen is the only poll showing Trump leading hilary nationally?


wasnt rassmussen the only poll to claim Romney would win in 2012?   LOL!

Going Out on a Limb: Romney Beats Obama, Handily
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michael_barone/going_out_on_a_limb_romney_beats_obama_handily


That's a story by Michael Barone.  You are incapable of telling the truth.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 02:09:19 PM
.


Looks like a dead heat.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Looks like a dead heat.

Oh yeah!  ::)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2016, 02:14:02 PM
Oh yeah!  ::)

Hillary looks like dog shit lately.   The trend is definately moving more torwards Trump w this scandalfest w benghazi, the emails, the clinton cash, her disastrous health, etc
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 02:15:54 PM
Oh yeah!  ::)

You mad? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 02:20:22 PM
Hillary looks like dog shit lately.   The trend is definately moving more torwards Trump w this scandalfest w benghazi, the emails, the clinton cash, her disastrous health, etc

And yet when you look at the current polls, HRC ahead of Trump. Polls do change almost daily. If Trump pulls something out of his bag of tricks that ruins HRC's support, that could change everything.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 02:20:45 PM
Hillary looks like dog shit lately.   The trend is definately moving more torwards Trump w this scandalfest w benghazi, the emails, the clinton cash, her disastrous health, etc

No doubt.  Her post-convention bounce is gone.  I still think she is likely to win, but it's looking like it's going to be close.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
You mad? 

Nope. The game of politics is fun.  ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 02:26:31 PM
Nope. The game of politics is fun.  ;)

Well it's nothing if not entertaining this cycle. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 02:30:00 PM
No doubt.  Her post-convention bounce is gone.  I still think she is likely to win, but it's looking like it's going to be close.  

Neither candidate has the required 270 electoral votes to win. Currently, this mostly hangs on those 122 toss up electoral votes.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 02:33:28 PM
Neither candidate has the required 270 electoral votes to win. Currently, this mostly hangs on those 122 toss up electoral votes.

Nate Silver currently thinks it's too close to call.  I'm rolling with his predictions, whatever they are. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 02:40:47 PM
Well it's nothing if not entertaining this cycle. 

I think it is very interesting that Trump is as far behind in New Jersey and New York as he is. Do his "homies" know something that Texas doesn't?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 02:41:57 PM
I think it is very interesting that Trump is as far behind in New Jersey and New York as he is. Do his "homies" know something that Texas doesn't?

Doubt it.  NY and NJ are blue states through and through. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 02:44:10 PM
That's a story by Michael Barone.  You are incapable of telling the truth. 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/10/29/romney-rasmussen-win-election/

Oct 29, 2012  ;)


According to the latest Rasmussen state polls, Mitt Romney is in position to win the presidency; he should win at least 279 electoral votes. Romney leads in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, and New Hampshire; Obama leads in Nevada. Wisconsin and Iowa are tied. Were Romney to win both Wisconsin and Iowa, he’d secure another 16 electoral votes, putting him at 295 electoral votes. By way of contrast, George W. Bush won 286 electoral votes in 2004.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 02:47:02 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/10/29/romney-rasmussen-win-election/

Oct 29, 2012  ;)


According to the latest Rasmussen state polls, Mitt Romney is in position to win the presidency; he should win at least 279 electoral votes. Romney leads in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, and New Hampshire; Obama leads in Nevada. Wisconsin and Iowa are tied. Were Romney to win both Wisconsin and Iowa, he’d secure another 16 electoral votes, putting him at 295 electoral votes. By way of contrast, George W. Bush won 286 electoral votes in 2004.



So now you post a poll over a week before the election.  What did their daily tracking polls show the day before the election? 

And why did you post a link to an article by Michael Barone claiming it was a prediction by Rasmussen? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 01, 2016, 02:58:20 PM
I think it is very interesting that Trump is as far behind in New Jersey and New York as he is. Do his "homies" know something that Texas doesn't?

Trump went down to Mexico and faced the music like a Boss.

I look to see him gain 2 to 4 points off that move alone.

Meanwhile Hillary still hiding like a ghost.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 03:09:29 PM
Trump went down to Mexico and faced the music like a Boss.

I look to see him gain 2 to 4 points off that move alone.

Meanwhile Hillary still hiding like a ghost.

Have to agree with this.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
So now you post a poll over a week before the election.

they were the only ones who predicted a romney win, right?  ;)   

And they're the only ones in RCP saying Trump is ahead right now?  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 04:19:07 PM
they were the only ones who predicted a romney win, right?  ;)   

And they're the only ones in RCP saying Trump is ahead right now?  ;) ;)


I take nothing you say at face value. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 05:38:02 PM
I take nothing you say at face value. 

RASS is the ONLY national poll that has Trump leading.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

read it yourself.  The only company that had Romney winning, is now the only one that has Trump winning.  Oh, and they're the one Drudge and FOX always loves to quote, so it's worth it to them be wrong :)

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 05:44:28 PM
RASS is the ONLY national poll that has Trump leading.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

read it yourself.  The only company that had Romney winning, is now the only one that has Trump winning.  Oh, and they're the one Drudge and FOX always loves to quote, so it's worth it to them be wrong :)



Post the Rasmussen daily tracking poll the day before the November 2012 election.   

And I just read for myself from the link posted.  Six of the polls show a statistical tie. 

I mean, really, you never tell the truth.  lol . . . .
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 06:00:19 PM
Post the Rasmussen daily tracking poll the day before the November 2012 election.   

And I just read for myself from the link posted.  Six of the polls show a statistical tie. 

I mean, really, you never tell the truth.  lol . . . .

They announced it a week before the election.   WHen everyone else had obama winning by a mile.

You can try to change it to "well, you can't PROVE they didn't change it back" but that's just silly.

Rass was quite wrong, quite late in the game... same as now ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 01, 2016, 06:05:58 PM
RASS is the ONLY national poll that has Trump leading.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

read it yourself.  The only company that had Romney winning, is now the only one that has Trump winning.  Oh, and they're the one Drudge and FOX always loves to quote, so it's worth it to them be wrong :)



For now.

Just checked the local newspaper while I was picking up milk and eggs for the missus.

Headline Reads: Trump Softens Stance on Deportation; Still Intends to Build Wall.

Now that IS far more inline with the common citizen of the United States and will work in his favor.

Trump has all the momentum right now while Creepy Hillary is busy in her Rascal wheelchair chasing down 19 year old female nursing home assistants for her evening sponge bath.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 06:08:31 PM
They announced it a week before the election.   WHen everyone else had obama winning by a mile.

You can try to change it to "well, you can't PROVE they didn't change it back" but that's just silly.

Rass was quite wrong, quite late in the game... same as now ;)

They do a daily tracking poll.  I don't remember what their daily tracking poll showed the day before the election.  I suspect it doesn't support your dumb embellished point. 

And the link you provided shows numerous polls with a statistical tie. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 06:16:12 PM
Just checked the local newspaper while I was picking up milk and eggs for the missus.

Did you go with the Eggland's best?   I had them tonight, they really are better than regular eggs.  Tasty!

They do a daily tracking poll.  I don't remember what their daily tracking poll showed the day before the election.  I suspect it doesn't support your dumb embellished point. 

And the link you provided shows numerous polls with a statistical tie. 

Rass was super wrong about Romney winning.  That's the bottom line.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 06:18:10 PM
Did you go with the Eggland's best?   I had them tonight, they really are better than regular eggs.  Tasty!

Rass was super wrong about Romney winning.  That's the bottom line.

The bottom line is you don't tell the truth.  Like ever.  Are you smart enough to realize citing a week-old daily tracking poll is problem?  (Rhetorical question.)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 06:25:37 PM
The bottom line is you don't tell the truth.  Like ever.  Are you smart enough to realize citing a week-old daily tracking poll is problem?  (Rhetorical question.)

They predicted it wrong, and took a lot of shit for it. 

So their 2016 predictions should be taken with a grain of salt
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 06:26:06 PM
Doubt it.  NY and NJ are blue states through and through. 

Interdasting! Is it possible....?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 06:33:29 PM
Trump went down to Mexico and faced the music like a Boss.

I look to see him gain 2 to 4 points off that move alone.

Meanwhile Hillary still hiding like a ghost.

Were you expecting HRC to make cozy with Enrique Peña Nieto? Oh wait, she already has the Latino vote.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 06:34:37 PM
Interdasting! Is it possible....?

Is what possible?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 06:36:21 PM
Is what possible?

The rumor that Trump is still a democrat.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2016, 06:40:50 PM
The rumor that Trump is still a democrat.

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Walter-White-Says-I-Liked-It.gif)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 01, 2016, 06:41:47 PM
Were you expecting HRC to make cozy with Enrique Peña Nieto? Oh wait, she already has the Latino vote.

It doesn't bother you as a voter that she hasn't given a press conference in over a year?

That she only takes scripted questions?

Disappears for days on end.

It is so ridiculous...straight out of a a banana republic where the entire election process is a sham.

There was a time in this country where we expected clarity and answers out of our candidates but clearly that has left us.

As eccentric as Trump can be at times at least you can say the man steps up and goes through the process.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2016, 06:43:08 PM
The rumor that Trump is still a democrat.

Who knows?  He didn't become a Republican till last year. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 06:56:38 PM
It doesn't bother you as a voter that she hasn't given a press conference in over a year?

That she only takes scripted questions?

Disappears for days on end.

It is so ridiculous...straight out of a a banana republic where the entire election process is a sham.

There was a time in this country where we expected clarity and answers out of our candidates but clearly that has left us.

As eccentric as Trump can be at times at least you can say the man steps up and goes through the process.

What I don't get is that Trump and his supporters (even those on Getbig) claim the press is rigged in favor of HRC. If this is so, it begs the question, why does Trump still give press conferences. HRC has made no such claims. She doesn't need to because she's not catering to the media machine.

When was that time? I don't remember it. If we expected clarity (honest answers) and we believe we got them, we were very naive.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 06:57:34 PM
Who knows?  He didn't become a Republican till last year. 

Has he explained his change of heart?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 01, 2016, 07:09:53 PM
What I don't get is that Trump and his supporters (even those on Getbig) claim the press is rigged in favor of HRC. If this is so, it begs the question, why does Trump still give press conferences. HRC has made no such claims. She doesn't need to because she's not catering to the media machine.

When was that time? I don't remember it. If we expected clarity (honest answers) and we believe we got them, we were very naive.

Bro you totally skipped the main issue of my question!

You were blessed to be raised in an era where the candidates DID have to face the media and COULD NOT run and hide.

And OF COURSE the media is in the pocket of the DNC. The fact that anybody would deny that in 2016 really blows my mind.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 01, 2016, 07:20:11 PM
Bro you totally skipped the main issue of my question!

You were blessed to be raised in an era where the candidates DID have to face the media and COULD NOT run and hide.

And OF COURSE the media is in the pocket of the DNC. The fact that anybody would deny that in 2016 really blows my mind.

You should admit that in my time, the media was a very different animal then it is today.

The media is in the pocket of whoever fills their pockets.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 05, 2016, 11:10:48 AM
With Labor Day Lead, History on Clinton's Side
By Mark Swanson   |   Monday, 05 Sep 2016

If history an indicator, Hillary Clinton's near 4-point national lead on Labor Day bodes well for her in November, The Hill reports.

Nearly every presidential candidate in the past half-century who led on the national holiday has gone on to win the election, according to The Hill.

One notable exception - Ronald Reagan in 1980. Reagan trailed Jimmy Carter by 4 points - Trump's deficit - but won the election by 10 points, according to The Hill.

These are the Labor Day leads and the candidates that went on to win:

2008: Barack Obama led John McCain by 5 points
2004: George W. Bush led John Kerry by 6 points
1996: Bill Clinton led Bob Dole by 17 points
1992: Bill Clinton led George H.W. Bush by 9 points
1988: George H.W. Bush led Michael Dukakis by 8 points
1984: Ronald Regan led Walter Mondale by 15 points

Mitt Romney was briefly tied with Obama in 2012, after the Republican convention, but Obama took control soon after, The Hill reported.

In 2000, Al Gore held the Labor Day lead over George W. Bush by 3 points, only to lose "hanging chad" election in what would be the closest in modern history, according to The Hill.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-lead-labor-day/2016/09/05/id/746691/#ixzz4JPFaJTh0
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 05, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
Poll: Trump Closes to Virtual Tie With Clinton
By Eric Mack   |   Sunday, 04 Sep 2016

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has closed to within 2 points of Hillary Clinton, making the race a relative dead heat "within the margin of error," according to Morning Consult’s new poll results Sunday morning.

It was the second national poll in two days in which the two candidates are now in a virtual tie. On Friday, the latest Reuters/Ipsos national tracking poll showed 40 percent of likely voters supporting Trump and 39 percent backing Clinton for the week of Aug. 26 to Sept. 1. Clinton's support has dropped steadily in the weekly tracking poll since Aug. 25, eliminating what had been a eight-point lead for her.

The Morning Consult poll has tightened every week in the past month from a 7-point Clinton head-to-head edge 44-37 on Aug. 11-14 to just 42-40 on Sept. 1-2. The poll took a national sample of 2,001 registered voters with a 2-percent margin of error.

When asked to choose between Clinton, Trump or Don’t Known/No Opinion:

42 percent chose Clinton
40 percent chose Trump
18 percent undecided
When adding the third-party candidates:

38 percent Clinton
36 percent Trump
9 percent Libertarian Gary Johnson
4 percent Green Party’s Jill Stein
13 percent undecided

"A week that saw Donald Trump solidly embrace his well-known harsh rhetoric on immigration has done little to change his standing among the public," the Morning Consult’s Fawn Johnson wrote Sunday.

The Morning Consult poll revealed 61 percent of Hispanic voters favor Clinton compared to 21 percent for Trump, a slight increase from the previous week, despite the overall race tightening.

In recent weeks, Clinton has come under renewed criticism over her handling of classified information while serving as U.S. secretary of state, and her family's charitable foundation has come under fresh scrutiny for the donations it accepted while Clinton served in the Obama administration. Meanwhile, Clinton hasn't been campaigning as actively as Trump.

Trump, meanwhile, has reshuffled his campaign leadership and sought to broaden his appeal to moderate Republicans and minorities. He recently suggested that he would be a better president than Clinton for African Americans, and has taken steps, including a meeting this week with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, to reach out to immigrants. It remains to be seen whether those efforts will click.

Clinton has led Trump through most of the campaign for the November election, though neither candidate appears to have inspired America.

In the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, more than 20 percent of likely voters opted for a choice other than the two major nominees, whether an alternative candidate, "would not vote" or "unsure." That figure is significantly higher than the 10 percent to 14 percent of respondents who answered similarly at this point in the 2012 campaign. Both President Barack Obama and Republican rival Mitt Romney enjoyed substantially stronger support at this point in the summer of 2012 than either Trump or Clinton does now.

And while Trump has consolidated his support among Republicans, likely voters are expressing an increasingly sour view of Clinton: The share of likely voters with an unfavorable view of the former secretary of state has grown to 57 percent, compared with Trump's 54 percent, her worst showing on that metric in a month.

Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics, said he remains convinced Clinton is ahead, somewhere in the range seen among the polling aggregators.

"There has been a closing that's completely natural," Sabato said. "Every four years, you have two national party conventions that produce a bounce of varying sizes. Clinton got a substantial bounce this year that lasted for a full month. It's usually gone around Labor Day, and by then we'll be where we should be, which is right around four to five points" for Clinton.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/trump-virtual-tie-clinton-polls/2016/09/04/id/746592/#ixzz4JPGYvcWe
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 05, 2016, 11:22:24 AM
Hillary Clinton Looks Strong Heading Into Fall
Democrats stand a decent chance of retaking a Senate majority, too.
09/05/2016
Natalie Jackson 
Senior Polling Editor, The Huffington Post
Ariel Edwards-Levy
Staff Reporter and Polling Director, The Huffington Post

As Labor Day neared, the decisions the two major party presidential candidates made on how to spend their time said everything about how they’ve approached the race. August found Hillary Clinton in the Hamptons, where she attended at least a dozen high-dollar fundraisers, according to people who spent time with her there.

Donald Trump, meanwhile, jetted down to Mexico and softened his tone on immigration, hardened it right back up again at a rally in Arizona and launched an international Twitter war with the Mexican president he had just met.

Clinton can afford to spend her time fundraising rather than holding rallies. With just over two months until Election Day, she holds a solid lead over Trump in the polls, although the spread has been tightening as Clinton’s post-convention bounce wears off and Trump gains a little strength.

An utter landslide for Clinton looked more likely immediately after the conventions, when she regularly saw double-digit leads in national polls. HuffPost Pollster’s model, which aggregates publicly available polling, currently gives her a lead of about 5 points in a head-to-head race nationally, down from more than 8 points at the height of her post-DNC bounce. Clinton also has a 5-point lead on average when third party candidates are included in the poll questions.

A 5-point lead leaves room for Trump to catch up, but it’s still considerably wider than the edge President Barack Obama enjoyed over Mitt Romney at this point during the 2012 cycle. And Clinton’s lead has been remarkably consistent: Not a single poll included in HuffPost’s average has had Trump ahead since late July. Historical precedent suggests that bodes well for her. In each of the past 16 elections, the candidate leading after the conventions has gone on to win.

State polling tells a similar story. Clinton is leading Trump by a significant margin in many battleground states, with leads of between 6 and 9 points in Colorado, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. In another set of swing states, including Florida, Iowa, North Carolina and Ohio, she holds smaller edges of between 2 and 3 points. The only swing state Trump has on his side is Nevada, but only by a very narrow margin. And he only musters 1- to 3-point leads in traditionally red Arizona, Georgia and South Carolina.

Current presidential forecasts from five different modelers put Clinton’s chances of winning between 71 percent and 94 percent.

Given the perceived improbability of a Trump victory, many Republicans are turning their attention to other races. They’re hoping to convince voters to split their tickets and choose GOP candidates for gubernatorial, Senate and House races, even if they don’t intend to vote for the Republican presidential nominee.

Democrats, meanwhile, hope to leverage Trump’s electoral weaknesses to make gains in Congress. A source who spent time with her in the Hamptons said that Clinton’s main objective at this point in the campaign is to win by a wide enough margin that Democrats take the Senate.

Republican Senate candidates are outperforming Trump in most of the states where HuffPost Pollster has sufficient polling data for a model. But even if they’re doing better than Trump, many are still trailing their Democratic competitors. According to HuffPost’s predictive Senate model, the Democrats currently have a 62 percent chance of winning 50 or more seats in the Senate.

The probability of a Democratic Senate takeover is lower than previously reported by the model. In mid-August, it predicted a 78 percent chance that the Senate would comprise 50 or more Democrats, including a 55 percent chance that there would be at least 51 Democrats and a 23 percent chance of a tie. Now that has shifted to a 32 percent chance of 51 or more Democrats and a 30 percent chance of a 50-50 tie ― which would still be a Democratic majority if Clinton wins and vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine becomes the tie-breaking vote.

Most of that shift is due to incumbent Republicans strengthening their positions. Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) has benefitted from improved polling numbers, raising his probability of holding his seat from 73 percent to 94 percent. And Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) has come up from a 50 percent chance of winning ― because the last model run was before the Florida primaries had determined the candidates ― to a 96 percent chance.

Despite the lower overall probability of a Democratic takeover in the election simulations, the outcome predicted by the model based on the most up-to-date data is 51 Democrats, including the two independents who caucus with the Democrats, and 49 Republicans. The five seats that the model indicates could flip to make that happen are in New Hampshire, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Indiana ― the most likely Democratic pickups being Wisconsin and Indiana. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-campaign_us_57cca425e4b0e60d31df9836?section=&
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 06, 2016, 06:12:27 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/cnnorc-poll-trump-more-favorable-than-clinton/article/2004174/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160906_TWS-blog-cnnorc-poll-trump-more-favorable-than-clinton-5_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS


LMFAO - the only reason to vote Trump - which i will right now - is for the left wing meltdown
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2016, 02:36:42 PM
Has he explained his change of heart?

Political expediency?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 06, 2016, 02:39:25 PM
Poll: Nine weeks out, a near even race
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Tue September 6, 2016

Washington (CNN) — Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton start the race to November 8 on essentially even ground, with Trump edging Clinton by a scant two points among likely voters, and the contest sparking sharp divisions along demographic lines in a new CNN/ORC Poll.

Trump tops Clinton 45% to 43% in the new survey, with Libertarian Gary Johnson standing at 7% among likely voters in this poll and the Green Party's Jill Stein at just 2%.

How Donald Trump could win

The topsy-turvy campaign for the presidency has seen both Clinton and Trump holding a significant lead at some point in the last two months, though Clinton has topped Trump more often than not. Most recently, Clinton's convention propelled her to an 8-point lead among registered voters in an early-August CNN/ORC Poll. Clinton's lead has largely evaporated despite a challenging month for Trump, which saw an overhaul of his campaign staff, announcements of support for Clinton from several high-profile Republicans and criticism of his campaign strategy. But most voters say they still expect to see Clinton prevail in November, and 59% think she will be the one to get to 270 electoral votes vs. 34% who think Trump has the better shot at winning.

Neither major third party candidate appears to be making the gains necessary to reach the 15% threshold set by the Commission on Presidential Debates, with just three weeks to go before the first debate on September 26.

The new poll finds the two major party candidates provoke large gaps by gender, age, race, education and partisanship. Among those likely to turn out in the fall, both candidates have secured about the same share of their own partisans (92% of Democrats back Clinton, 90% of Republicans are behind Trump) but independents give Trump an edge, 49% say they'd vote for him while just 29% of independent voters back Clinton. Another 16% back Johnson, 6% Stein.

Women break for Clinton (53% to 38%) while men shift Trump's way (54% to 32%). Among women, those who are unmarried make up the core of her support, 73% of unmarried women back Clinton compared with just 36% of married women. Among men, no such marriage gap emerges, as both unmarried and married men favor Trump.

Younger voters are in Clinton's corner (54% to 29% among those under age 45) while the older ones are more apt to back Trump (54% to 39% among those age 45 or older). Whites mostly support Trump (55% to 34%), while non-whites favor Clinton by a nearly 4-to-1 margin (71% to 18%). Most college grads back Clinton while those without degrees mostly support Trump, and that divide deepens among white voters. Whites who do not hold college degrees support Trump by an almost 3-to-1 margin (68% to 24%) while whites who do have college degrees split 49% for Clinton to 36% for Trump and 11% for Johnson.

Support for Johnson seems to be concentrated among groups where Clinton could stand to benefit from consolidating voters. Although direct comparison between the poll's two-way, head-to-head matchup and its four-way matchup doesn't suggest that Johnson is pulling disproportionately from either candidate, his supporters come mostly among groups where a strong third-party bid could harm Clinton's standing: Younger voters (particularly younger men), whites with college degrees, and independents, notably.

The poll follows several national polls in August suggesting that the margin between the two candidates had tightened following the conventions. A CNN Poll of Polls analysis released Friday showed that Clinton's lead had been cut in half when compared with the height of her convention bounce.

Speaking to reporters aboard her campaign plane Tuesday, Clinton shrugged off a question about the CNN/ORC survey.

"I really pay no attention to polls. When they are good for me -- and there have been a lot of them that have been good for me recently -- I don't pay attention," Clinton said. "When they are not so good, I don't pay attention. We are on a course that we are sticking with."

While enthusiasm for the campaign has continued to inch up, it remains well off the mark compared with this point in other recent presidential election years. In the new poll, 46% say they are extremely or very enthusiastic, compared with 57% at this point in 2012, 60% in early September of 2008 and 64% in September 2004.

Further, nearly half of voters say they are less enthusiastic about voting in this election than they have been in previous years, while just 42% say they're more excited about this year's contest. Although this question hasn't been asked in every presidential election year, in CNN/ORC and CNN/USA Today/Gallup results dating back to 2000, this poll marks the first time that a significantly larger share of voters say they are less enthusiastic about this year's election. The lack of enthusiasm spikes among Clinton supporters. A majority of Clinton's supporters say they're less excited about voting this year than usual (55%) while most of Trump's backers say they're more excited this time around (56%)

That could be contributing to Trump's slim advantage among likely voters. Among the broader pool of registered voters, Clinton edges Trump by 3 points. The shift among these voters since the convention is largely due to a rebound in Trump's numbers rather than a slide in Clinton's. He's gone from 37% support then to 41% among registered voters now.

Trump holds an edge over Clinton as more trusted to handle two of voters' top four issues -- the economy (56% trust Trump vs. 41% Clinton) and terrorism (51% Trump to 45% Clinton). Clinton holds a solid edge on foreign policy (56% trust her to Trump's 40%), and the public is divided over the fourth issue in the bunch, immigration. On that, 49% favor Clinton's approach, 47% Trump's. At Trump's recent campaign appearances, he has argued that he would do more to improve life for racial and ethnic minorities, but voters seem to disagree, 58% say Clinton is better on that score vs. 36% who choose Trump, and among non-whites, 86% choose Clinton to just 12% who think Trump would better improve their lives.

Trump has his largest edge of the campaign as the more honest and trustworthy of the two major candidates (50% say he is more honest and trustworthy vs. just 35% choosing Clinton) and as the stronger leader, 50% to 42%. Clinton continues to be seen as holding the better temperament to serve effectively as president (56% to 36%) and better able to handle the responsibilities of commander in chief (50% to 45%).

On honesty, Clinton's backers express greater skepticism about their candidate than do Trump's supporters. When asked which candidate is more honest and trustworthy, 94% of Trump's backers say he is, while just 70% of those behind Clinton choose her, with 11% saying Trump is more trustworthy and 17% saying neither of them are. And when voters were asked to name the one issue that would be most important to their vote for president, 5% named honesty or trustworthiness as their top choice, ranking it on par with foreign policy and jobs.

Both candidates remain largely unliked, with majorities saying they have an unfavorable view of each candidate in the new poll.

The CNN/ORC Poll was conducted by telephone Sept. 1-4 among a random national sample of 1,001 adults. The survey includes results among 886 registered voters and 786 likely voters. For results among registered or likely voters, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/_politics-zone-injection/trump-vs-clinton-presidential-polls-election-2016/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 06, 2016, 02:47:15 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/cnnorc-poll-trump-more-favorable-than-clinton/article/2004174/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160906_TWS-blog-cnnorc-poll-trump-more-favorable-than-clinton-5_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS


LMFAO - the only reason to vote Trump - which i will right now - is for the left wing meltdown

Should he be elected President, leftists won't be the only ones melting down, those on the right will be too.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 07, 2016, 10:43:50 AM
Moody's economic model finds Clinton pulling away from Trump
By Vicki Needham - 09/06/16

Low gas prices and President Obama’s rising popularity are bolstering Hillary Clinton's chances of winning the White House, according to a closely followed economic election model from Moody's Analytics.

The August model forecasts that Clinton will notch a win over Trump, in part thanks to historically low gas prices and Obama’s popularity.

The model, which chooses a party, not a candidate, to win, awards Electoral College votes based on state-by-state outcomes.

The most important economic variable is income growth by state, including job and wage growth, hours worked and the quality of the jobs being created in the two years leading up to an election.

The latest forecast puts 16 states, which includes Washington, D.C., firmly in Democratic territory, with 11 more leaning in that direction for a total of 332 electoral votes.

Republicans hold comfortable leads in 21 states, with three more leaning red, giving its candidate 206 electoral voters.

“It’s important to once again note that the model’s projections are solely a reflection of economic and political conditions upon the incumbent party, and do not take any aspects of the individual candidates into account,” said Dan White, a Moody’s economist who compiles the monthly model.

“Given the unusual nature of the 2016 election cycle to date, it is possible that voters will react to changing economic and political conditions differently than they have in past election cycles, placing some risk in the model outcome,” White said.

Moody's, which has predicted every election correctly since it was created in 1980, has forecast a Democratic victory since the release of its first run in July 2015.

With no major shift expected in gas prices or Obama’s popularity in the two months leading up to the November election, the model is unlikely to move into Trump’s favor, Moody's suggested.

The Moody’s equation also includes a dummy variable that penalizes Democrat incumbents, stemming from the theory that Democrats and Democrat-leaning independent voters are more likely to switch sides and vote for a Republican candidate than vice versa.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/294635-clinton-gains-ground-over-trump-in-economic-model
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 07, 2016, 10:49:20 AM
One of many "Never Trump" people who will be voting for Trump.

Radio host Levin reverses: ‘I’m gonna vote for Donald Trump’
By Joe Concha
September 06, 2016

After once declaring he could never support Donald Trump as the Republican presidential nominee, Mark Levin changed his mind with a big announcement on his radio program Tuesday.

“I’m gonna vote for Donald Trump. I’m gonna wind up voting for Donald Trump on Election Day," the talk radio host said after reiterating his perspective that Texas Sen. Ted Cruz was a far better choice for conservatives.

"I take no responsibility for the dumb things he says or the dumb things his surrogates say," he added of the GOP nominee and his campaign.

Levin's endorsement comes five months after unequivocally stating, "I am not voting for Donald Trump. Period.”

The 58-year-old syndicated radio host also noted that Trump has an uphill climb to win the White House, despite some recent national polls showing him tied or in the lead.

“Trump, despite the CNN poll [showing him 2 points up on Hillary Clinton Tuesday], has a lot of work to do to make up ground in these battleground states,” he said.

“But Hillary is so awful, I just don't know. I'm not in the prediction business."

Levin worked in the Ronald Reagan administration as a chief of staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese. He began his radio program in 2002.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294735-radio-host-levin-reverses-course-im-gonna-vote-for-donald
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 07, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Trump Calls Clinton ‘Trigger Happy,’ Lists Proposals to ‘Update and Upgrade’ Military
by ALEX SWOYER
7 Sep 2016
Washington, DC

Donald Trump is zeroing in on national security, foreign policy and America’s military.

During a speech in Philadelphia, the Republican blasted his rival Hillary Clinton — describing her record as “disqualifying.”

“In a Trump administration, our actions in the Middle East will be tempered by realism,” Trump stated, explaining that regime change produces radical terrorism. During his remarks at the Union League of Philadelphia he added, “we can make new friends, rebuild old alliances and bring new allies into the fold. I’m proud to have the support of war fighting generals.”

The Union League of Philadelphia has roughly 3,000 members, according to the Associated Press, and began in 1862 in support of President Abraham Lincoln and the Union.

Trump blasted his rival’s record as secretary of state on foreign policy and national security, saying he will be guided by “diplomacy, not destruction.”

“She’s trigger happy and very unstable,” the New Yorker stated of Clinton, also calling her “reckless” over her use of a personal server with classified emails during her time as secretary of state.

Trump criticized Clinton’s handling of Libya, Syria, ISIS and Iran. “What have we gotten from the horrible decisions made from President Obama and Secretary Clinton?” Trump questioned.

An NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking poll published early Wednesday showed that voters who currently serve in the military or previously served prefer Trump over Clinton by 19 points.

The Republican nominee laid out several proposals in a campaign press release ahead of his speech about how to “update and upgrade” the U.S. military.

The press release lists Trump’s 10 proposals:

PROPOSAL: Immediately after taking office, Mr. Trump will ask the generals to present a plan within 30 days to defeat and destroy ISIS.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will ask Congress to fully eliminate the defense sequester and will submit a new budget to rebuild our military as soon as he assumes office.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build an active Army of around 540,000, as the Army’s chief of staff has said he needs.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build a Marine Corps based on 36 battalions, which the Heritage Foundation notes is the minimum needed to deal with major contingencies.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build a Navy approaching 350 surface ships and submarines, as recommended by the bipartisan National Defense Panel.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build an Air Force of at least 1,200 fighter aircraft, which the Heritage Foundation has shown to be needed to execute current missions.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will seek to develop a state of the art missile defense system.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will modernize our nation’s naval cruisers to provide Ballistic Missile Defense capabilities.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will enforce all classification rules, and enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information.

PROPOSAL: One of Mr. Trump’s first commands after taking office will be asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and all relevant federal departments, to conduct a thorough review of United States cyber defenses and identify all vulnerabilities – in our power grid, our communications systems, and all vital infrastructure.

NBC News is hosting Trump and Clinton in a Commander-in-Chief forum on Wednesday at 8 p.m. They will answer questions on military affairs, veterans issues and national security.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/07/trump-calls-clinton-trigger-happy-lists-proposals-update-upgrade-military/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 07, 2016, 11:13:43 AM
Did Clinton really say "I love War" this week? 

If so... what a completely asinine thing to say.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 07, 2016, 11:16:10 AM
Did Clinton really say "I love War" this week? 

If so... what a completely asinine thing to say.

Remember what she said about Gadafi?  hhhmmmmm?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 07, 2016, 11:32:48 AM
Quote
PROPOSAL: One of Mr. Trump’s first commands after taking office will be asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and all relevant federal departments, to conduct a thorough review of United States cyber defenses and identify all vulnerabilities – in our power grid, our communications systems, and all vital infrastructure.

You mean he'd rather do this, than say "oops" to disaster as he cracks down on innocent citizens?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 07, 2016, 11:34:42 AM
Remember what she said about Gadafi?  hhhmmmmm?

didn't hillary try to rent real estate to kadaffi in NYC when nobody else would?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 07, 2016, 11:41:40 AM
Trump Calls Clinton ‘Trigger Happy,’ Lists Proposals to ‘Update and Upgrade’ Military
by ALEX SWOYER
7 Sep 2016
Washington, DC

Donald Trump is zeroing in on national security, foreign policy and America’s military.

During a speech in Philadelphia, the Republican blasted his rival Hillary Clinton — describing her record as “disqualifying.”

“In a Trump administration, our actions in the Middle East will be tempered by realism,” Trump stated, explaining that regime change produces radical terrorism. During his remarks at the Union League of Philadelphia he added, “we can make new friends, rebuild old alliances and bring new allies into the fold. I’m proud to have the support of war fighting generals.”

The Union League of Philadelphia has roughly 3,000 members, according to the Associated Press, and began in 1862 in support of President Abraham Lincoln and the Union.

Trump blasted his rival’s record as secretary of state on foreign policy and national security, saying he will be guided by “diplomacy, not destruction.”

“She’s trigger happy and very unstable,” the New Yorker stated of Clinton, also calling her “reckless” over her use of a personal server with classified emails during her time as secretary of state.

Trump criticized Clinton’s handling of Libya, Syria, ISIS and Iran. “What have we gotten from the horrible decisions made from President Obama and Secretary Clinton?” Trump questioned.

An NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking poll published early Wednesday showed that voters who currently serve in the military or previously served prefer Trump over Clinton by 19 points.

The Republican nominee laid out several proposals in a campaign press release ahead of his speech about how to “update and upgrade” the U.S. military.

The press release lists Trump’s 10 proposals:

PROPOSAL: Immediately after taking office, Mr. Trump will ask the generals to present a plan within 30 days to defeat and destroy ISIS.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will ask Congress to fully eliminate the defense sequester and will submit a new budget to rebuild our military as soon as he assumes office.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build an active Army of around 540,000, as the Army’s chief of staff has said he needs.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build a Marine Corps based on 36 battalions, which the Heritage Foundation notes is the minimum needed to deal with major contingencies.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build a Navy approaching 350 surface ships and submarines, as recommended by the bipartisan National Defense Panel.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build an Air Force of at least 1,200 fighter aircraft, which the Heritage Foundation has shown to be needed to execute current missions.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will seek to develop a state of the art missile defense system.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will modernize our nation’s naval cruisers to provide Ballistic Missile Defense capabilities.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will enforce all classification rules, and enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information.

PROPOSAL: One of Mr. Trump’s first commands after taking office will be asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and all relevant federal departments, to conduct a thorough review of United States cyber defenses and identify all vulnerabilities – in our power grid, our communications systems, and all vital infrastructure.

NBC News is hosting Trump and Clinton in a Commander-in-Chief forum on Wednesday at 8 p.m. They will answer questions on military affairs, veterans issues and national security.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/07/trump-calls-clinton-trigger-happy-lists-proposals-update-upgrade-military/

Seriously, I like it.  He has a plan to sort through all the bullshit piling up in the last 15 years.  

Way I see it, that makes it Trump or nothing.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 07, 2016, 11:43:12 AM
Nothing? How does that work?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 07, 2016, 11:46:11 AM
Nothing? How does that work?

That's what we'll be left with, Prime.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 07, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
Having a hard time seeing how Trump doesn't extend his lead in the coming weeks.

Hillary is about to step right into his preferred environment, the debate stage.

The man is so quick on his feet when it comes to one on one confrontations.

She will be completely out of her element and exposed in a slugfest like that.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 07, 2016, 11:56:35 AM
Having a hard time seeing how Trump doesn't extend his lead in the coming weeks.
Hillary is about to step right into his preferred environment, the debate stage.
The man is so quick on his feet when it comes to one on one confrontations.
She will be completely out of her element and exposed in a slugfest like that.

Statistically, he peaked on Monday.  I have a cool thread following it day by day.   He hit 42% nationally on Monday, and has dropped .3% since Monday.   It was the perfect storm of items, and it worked well, but so far, Trump has never hit 45% nationally, and has yet to do so.  The "climb" he had may be over.  Everyone peaks at times.

For the debates, we should remember two things.

1) Hilary did better than Obama when they met... she knows issues, policy, leaders, and can pretty much answer everything with real information.

2) Trump (very good on tv, very quick with insults) is awesome at very brief answers, where he restates the question, relates it to himself, then explains how it's related to our nation winning - all while kinda not answering any specifics.

If she gets sick, yes, she can be hurt.  If not, I don't know what miracle can help Trump move up the 5 points he really needs.  He faded in the last few debates with Cruz and Rubio, because he had longer time slots to fill with answers.  He has NEVER given specifics on most policies, I think even his supporters realize that.

Last night, his answer on "cyber" was that of a 5th grader bullshitting his way thru writing a paragraph.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 07, 2016, 12:02:37 PM
I hope to see Trump round-up people for questioning, from the last two administrations.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 07, 2016, 12:09:38 PM
I hope to see Trump round-up people for questioning, from the last two administrations.

There are moments of honesty where Trump displays really liberal leanings regarding his policies.

July of last year, he did admit the "good ones" can stay, when talking about illegal aliens.  Said the opposite for a year, but did say this.
Last summer he did say we have to take in syrian refugees because it's the right thing to do.
He said on howard stern yeah, I guess I do support invading Iraq.

Libya... he was just on TV roasting hilary for it TODAY... but in 2011, he said on his video blog that he supports invading and taking him out

""You talk about things that have happened in history; this could be one of the worst," Trump said. "Now we should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We could do it surgically, stop him from doing it, and save these lives. This is absolutely nuts. We don’t want to get involved and you’re gonna end up with something like you’ve never seen before."

And then ...

"But we have go in to save these lives; these people are being slaughtered like animals," Trump said. "It’s horrible what’s going on; it has to be stopped. We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out very quickly, very surgically, very effectively, and save the lives."



So really, if/when trump is elected president, he's going to act like a liberal.  Tiger cannot change his stripes.  Lifetime of supporting liberal causes and politicians, and magically changes parties the minute the black dude beats Hilary. Hmmmm
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 07, 2016, 12:19:31 PM
Having a hard time seeing how Trump doesn't extend his lead in the coming weeks.

Hillary is about to step right into his preferred environment, the debate stage.

The man is so quick on his feet when it comes to one on one confrontations.

She will be completely out of her element and exposed in a slugfest like that.

I agree he probably takes a bit of a lead in the coming weeks, if he continues what he has been doing the past couple weeks. 

I also think this health thing has legs.  I wonder what they will be shooting her up with before the debates to keep her from coughing, and whether it will dull her senses a bit? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 07, 2016, 12:36:09 PM
I agree he probably takes a bit of a lead in the coming weeks, if he continues what he has been doing the past couple weeks. 

According to the aggregate of all national polls, Trump is now dropping.  Down to 41.2% national average as of today.   

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton


By the theories of getbiggers, he should easily be getting 43 and 44%.  Nationally, tho, as I keep saying, he likely peaked MOnday.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 07, 2016, 12:47:54 PM
I agree he probably takes a bit of a lead in the coming weeks, if he continues what he has been doing the past couple weeks. 

I also think this health thing has legs.  I wonder what they will be shooting her up with before the debates to keep her from coughing, and whether it will dull her senses a bit? 

No matter what we imagine will happen during the debates, they should be interesting. Both candidates seem fairly intelligent. One has more political experience and the other appeals to those who want change, regardless of what that change is. One tends to remain composed and the other has a history of loosing control. One coughs and trips and the other sidetracks the questions put forth. Yes, these debates should be entertaining, if nothing else. Who wins or who loses will likely be in the "eyes of the beholder" because that is the way it usually goes with these things.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 07, 2016, 08:25:04 PM
Am I imagining it, or is Trump sharpening up as we close in?  When's the last time he's said anything outrageous?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: timfogarty on September 07, 2016, 08:31:58 PM
Am I imagining it, or is Trump sharpening up as we close in?  When's the last time he's said anything outrageous?

tonight.

Trump says he could tell his classified intel briefers aren't happy with Obama because of their body language.


Trump again praised Putin.   If in 2008, Senator Barack Obama had praised Putin as a better President than the American, Republicans would have demanded he quit race.


Trump said undocumented immigrants can stay if they want to join the military.


Trump said "You know, it used to be to the victor belong the spoils. Now, there was no victor there, believe me. There was no victor. But I always said: Take the oil."
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 07, 2016, 08:35:38 PM
tonight.

Trump says he could tell his classified intel briefers aren't happy with Obama because of their body language.


Trump again praised Putin.   If in 2008, Senator Barack Obama had praised Putin as a better President than the American, Republicans would have demanded he quit race.


Trump said undocumented immigrants can stay if they want to join the military.


Trump said "You know, it used to be to the victor belong the spoils. Now, there was no victor there, believe me. There was no victor. But I always said: Take the oil."

What about Harry Reid's advice to give false info as intel?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 07, 2016, 08:36:20 PM
Trump says he could tell his classified intel briefers aren't happy with Obama because of their body language.

Trump again praised Putin.   If in 2008, Senator Barack Obama had praised Putin as a better President than the American, Republicans would have demanded he quit race.

Trump said undocumented immigrants can stay if they want to join the military.

Trump said "You know, it used to be to the victor belong the spoils. Now, there was no victor there, believe me. There was no victor. But I always said: Take the oil."


True.   His continual praise of the Russian leader = bullshit.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 08, 2016, 08:34:28 AM
Two months from Election Day, Donald Trump’s swing state map is shrinking.

Interviews with more than two dozen Republican operatives, state party officials and elected leaders suggest three of the 11 battleground states identified by POLITICO — Colorado, New Hampshire and Virginia — are tilting so heavily toward Hillary Clinton that they're close to unwinnable for the GOP presidential nominee. But Trump remains within striking distance in the remaining eight states, including electoral giants Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

The increasing likelihood that Colorado, New Hampshire and Virginia are out of reach heightens the urgency for the Republican nominee to win those still-competitive states — and to recapture steam in Pennsylvania, where he once looked formidable but now trails by 10 points, according to POLITICO’s Battleground States polling average.
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With just four electoral votes, New Hampshire is the smallest swing-state prize. The prospective loss of Virginia, with its 13 electoral votes, is a bigger problem.

“Anything you’re going to spend on Trump is a waste at this point,” said David Ramadan, a former Virginia House member and GOP activist. “The overall vote is going to be determined by Northern Virginia and the Tidewater area. Those two areas are not going to go on the Trump side.”..........................

Read more:



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-swing-state-227869#ixzz4JfSslqNX
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 08, 2016, 10:12:43 AM
Trump Calls Clinton ‘Trigger Happy,’ Lists Proposals to ‘Update and Upgrade’ Military
by ALEX SWOYER
7 Sep 2016
Washington, DC

Donald Trump is zeroing in on national security, foreign policy and America’s military.

During a speech in Philadelphia, the Republican blasted his rival Hillary Clinton — describing her record as “disqualifying.”

“In a Trump administration, our actions in the Middle East will be tempered by realism,” Trump stated, explaining that regime change produces radical terrorism. During his remarks at the Union League of Philadelphia he added, “we can make new friends, rebuild old alliances and bring new allies into the fold. I’m proud to have the support of war fighting generals.”

The Union League of Philadelphia has roughly 3,000 members, according to the Associated Press, and began in 1862 in support of President Abraham Lincoln and the Union.

Trump blasted his rival’s record as secretary of state on foreign policy and national security, saying he will be guided by “diplomacy, not destruction.”

“She’s trigger happy and very unstable,” the New Yorker stated of Clinton, also calling her “reckless” over her use of a personal server with classified emails during her time as secretary of state.

Trump criticized Clinton’s handling of Libya, Syria, ISIS and Iran. “What have we gotten from the horrible decisions made from President Obama and Secretary Clinton?” Trump questioned.

An NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking poll published early Wednesday showed that voters who currently serve in the military or previously served prefer Trump over Clinton by 19 points.

The Republican nominee laid out several proposals in a campaign press release ahead of his speech about how to “update and upgrade” the U.S. military.

The press release lists Trump’s 10 proposals:

PROPOSAL: Immediately after taking office, Mr. Trump will ask the generals to present a plan within 30 days to defeat and destroy ISIS.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will ask Congress to fully eliminate the defense sequester and will submit a new budget to rebuild our military as soon as he assumes office.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build an active Army of around 540,000, as the Army’s chief of staff has said he needs.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build a Marine Corps based on 36 battalions, which the Heritage Foundation notes is the minimum needed to deal with major contingencies.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build a Navy approaching 350 surface ships and submarines, as recommended by the bipartisan National Defense Panel.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will build an Air Force of at least 1,200 fighter aircraft, which the Heritage Foundation has shown to be needed to execute current missions.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will seek to develop a state of the art missile defense system.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will modernize our nation’s naval cruisers to provide Ballistic Missile Defense capabilities.

PROPOSAL: Mr. Trump will enforce all classification rules, and enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information.

PROPOSAL: One of Mr. Trump’s first commands after taking office will be asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and all relevant federal departments, to conduct a thorough review of United States cyber defenses and identify all vulnerabilities – in our power grid, our communications systems, and all vital infrastructure.

NBC News is hosting Trump and Clinton in a Commander-in-Chief forum on Wednesday at 8 p.m. They will answer questions on military affairs, veterans issues and national security.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/07/trump-calls-clinton-trigger-happy-lists-proposals-update-upgrade-military/

I've been thinking about this ever since reading it.  If Trump isn't serious about the race, we sure wouldn't know it by these proposals.  

Two points in particular, that imo give all reason necessary to want to see him in office:

Quote
PROPOSAL: One of Mr. Trump’s first commands after taking office will be asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and all relevant federal departments, to conduct a thorough review of United States cyber defenses and identify all vulnerabilities – in our power grid, our communications systems, and all vital infrastructure.

Quote
PROPOSAL: Immediately after taking office, Mr. Trump will ask the generals to present a plan within 30 days to defeat and destroy ISIS.

The first one is something everyone should be very concerned about, because the threat has all the potential to destroy everything we love about our country as it kills people by the millions.  And it remains unaddressed to any serious degree, which should piss-off every person here.

The second one involves putting everything ISIS-related on the table, and getting to the facts about who is doing what and how.  Make it perfectly clear as to the best way to remove the potential from it, so we can get back to our lives without anyone being able to use it as an excuse to impose and intrude on us.

Straight away, these things tell us he wants to end the game that's been played for the past two administrations.  It also says someone very aware and in-tune is advising him, and that he's listening to that advice.



Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 08, 2016, 11:05:39 AM
Am I imagining it, or is Trump sharpening up as we close in?  When's the last time he's said anything outrageous?

Last night.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 08, 2016, 11:08:44 AM
Last night.

9 things last night actually, in 24 minutes. 

the debates will be hilarious.  Trump just makes up scary, undisciplined shit on the spot. 

there is no way this man is indeed, this stupid.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 08, 2016, 11:16:24 AM
I've been thinking about this ever since reading it.  If Trump isn't serious about the race, we sure wouldn't know it by these proposals.  

Two points in particular, that imo give all reason necessary to want to see him in office:

The first one is something everyone should be very concerned about, because the threat has all the potential to destroy everything we love about our country as it kills people by the millions.  And it remains unaddressed to any serious degree, which should piss-off every person here.

The second one involves putting everything ISIS-related on the table, and getting to the facts about who is doing what and how.  Make it perfectly clear as to the best way to remove the potential from it, so we can get back to our lives without anyone being able to use it as an excuse to impose and intrude on us.

Straight away, these things tell us he wants to end the game that's been played for the past two administrations.  It also says someone very aware and in-tune is advising him, and that he's listening to that advice.





If Trump is or will listen to advice, It will be a complete reversal of what he's done up to now. I don't buy it.

Are the General's who he expects to come up with a game plan in 30 day's the same one's he said were in ruins. As for taking their advice, he said he would do that only if he liked it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 08, 2016, 11:31:33 AM
If Trump is or will listen to advice, It will be a complete reversal of what he's done up to now. I don't buy it.

Are the General's who he expects to come up with a game plan in 30 day's the same one's he said were in ruins. As for taking their advice, he said he would do that only if he liked it.

From what I see, the trouble involves the ones who tell Obama what he "needs" to hear, in order to continue the ways which have allowed growth of ISIS.

All this time, and the "we're really trying, but that gosh darn ISIS keeps spreading and the threat is sooo scary" is about to be audited.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 08, 2016, 11:48:30 AM
If Obama is indeed one of Isis and a founder...

Why is trump blaming the generals?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 09, 2016, 06:23:40 AM
Another packed house for Hillary in a city that has 2.4 million people... Great turnout. High energy!

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Quote
"The average undecided voter is getting snippets of news from television personalities like [Matt] Lauer, who are failing to convey the fact that the election pits a normal politician with normal political failings against an ignorant, bigoted, pathologically dishonest authoritarian."
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 09, 2016, 06:34:28 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 09, 2016, 06:37:21 AM
Another packed house for Hillary in a city that has 2.4 million people... Great turnout. High energy!

(https://i.sli.mg/cqmCvI.jpg)



She is a pos - its only a few blacks, old white libs like prime, feminist bra burners, and commies in the media supporting her
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 09, 2016, 06:54:08 AM
She is a pos - its only a few blacks, old white libs like prime, feminist bra burners, and commies in the media supporting her

When the Baptists don't like your rhetoric, you know you've gone too far

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 09:59:40 AM
Quinnipiac Poll: Clinton, Trump Close in 4 Swing States
By Greg Richter   |   Thursday, 08 Sep 2016

A new Quinnipiac University poll of four swing states shows a tight presidential race between Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The two major party candidates are within the poll's 3.5-to-3.6 margin of error except in Pennsylvania, where Clinton leads by 4 points.

Here are the results from Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Pennsylvania:

Florida:

Clinton: 47 percent
Trump: 47 percent
North Carolina:

Clinton: 47 percent
Trump: 43 percent
Ohio:

Trump: 46 percent
Clinton: 45 percent
Pennsylvania:

Clinton: 48 percent
Trump: 43 percent

Here are the results when Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein are included:

Florida:

Clinton: 43 percent
Trump: 43 percent
Johnson: 8 percent
Stein: 2 percent

North Carolina:

Clinton: 42 percent
Trump: 38 percent
Johnson: 15 percent
Stein: Not on ballot

Ohio:

Trump: 41 percent
Clinton: 37 percent
Johnson: 14 percent
Stein: 4 percent

Pennsylvania:

Clinton: 44 percent
Trump: 39 percent
Johnson: 9 percent
Stein: 3 percent

"The effect of the Republican and Democratic conventions on the presidential race has run its course," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll. "As the campaign enters its final stage, Florida and Ohio, two of the largest and most important Swing States, are too close to call, while North Carolina and Pennsylvania give Hillary Clinton the narrowest of leads."

Brown said the "obvious takeaway" is that Trump has staged a comeback from his post-Democratic convention lows. "Taking a bit longer view, however, we see a race that appears little changed from where it was as the GOP convention began in July, and at least in these four key states is very much up for grabs," he said.

The polls were conducted August 29-September 7 on landline and cell phones and spoke to people identifying themselves as "likely voters."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-trump-close-swing-states/2016/09/08/id/747355/#ixzz4K3tJU1UP
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 10:01:29 AM
After Health Scare, Hillary Clinton Cancels California Fundraising Tour
by ADELLE NAZARIAN
11 Sep 2016

Politico reports that Hillary Clinton has canceled her travel plans to California on Monday and Tuesday.

“Hillary Clinton has canceled a trip to California planned for Monday and Tuesday, her campaign said late Sunday,” Politico reported in a breaking news alert late Sunday night. “The cancellation came after Clinton abruptly departed a 9/11 memorial ceremony in New York City on Sunday morning. Her campaign later disclosed that she had been diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.”

The cancellation comes after hours of uncertainty, where her aides were unclear with press whether she would be able to carry on with a planned West Coast fundraising trip on Monday and Tuesday after a medical emergency she experienced during the September 11 commemoration event in New York on Sunday.

The medical problem was blamed on “overheating and dehydration,” and a pneumonia infection which was diagnosed on Friday, according to campaign statements.

Clinton was set to appear at several events throughout San Francisco and Los Angeles on Monday and Tuesday. Those are now off, according to Politico. It’s thus far unclear whether she will carry on with a scheduled rally in Las Vegas on Wednesday. Until after 10:30 p.m. on Sunday night, her aides were reportedly “still unclear” as to whether she would change her schedule in light of her health and per her own doctor’s recommendation.

A video captured by a memorial attendee shows Clinton appearing to collapse, requiring the help of several aides to place her in the vehicle.

Clinton’s spokesman Nick Merrill issued a statement Sunday morning: “Secretary Clinton attended the September 11th Commemoration Ceremony for just an hour and thirty minutes this morning to pay her respects and greet some of the families of the fallen. During the ceremony, she felt overheated so [she] departed to go to her daughter’s apartment, and is feeling much better.”

Her Doctor, Lisa Bardack, said “I have just examined here and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely.”

She issued the following statement:

Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies. On Friday, during a follow up evaluation of her prolonged cough, she was diagnosed with pneumonia, She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule. While at this morning’s event, she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely.

Prior to Sunday’s episode, Clinton’s health had been the subject of numerous reports in the media. Some had dismissed the reports as mere conspiracy theories, and Dr. Drew Pinsky’s show on CNN’s HLN was even cancelled after he questioned her health.

Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, who had endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) for president, also weighed in on Clinton’s Sunday health scare.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/09/11/clinton-aides-unclear-about-upcoming-cali-trip-after-medical-emergency/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 10:03:20 AM
Election Update: The Swing States Are Tightening, Too
By Nate Silver
SEP 8, 2016

In the more poll-obsessed corners of the internet, we’ve been arguing about Hillary Clinton’s decline in the polls against Donald Trump. Everyone seems to agree that Clinton’s lead is down quite a bit in national polls, to an average of around 3 percentage points from a peak of about 8 points shortly after the Democratic convention. But there’s a debate about how this translates to the state level.

My position is that a decline in Clinton’s national polls necessarily means that she’s declined in the states. There’s just no way around this; as we learned on Schoolhouse Rock, the United States is composed of 50 states and the District of Columbia. Perhaps it’s possible Clinton’s declined more in noncompetitive states than competitive ones — for instance, if Trump’s gains have mostly come from Republicans, widening his margins in red states but less in purple states. But that sort of conclusion is usually wishful thinking.

Still, there’s no better way to prove or disprove this than to look at polls of swing states directly. We’ve gotten a lot more of those polls recently, and they show pretty much just what the national polls do: Clinton’s lead in the states most likely to tip the balance of the election is somewhere around 3 percentage points.

Take the set of polls that Quinnipiac University released on Thursday afternoon. In the versions of the polls that include third-party candidates, Clinton led Trump by 5 percentage points in Pennsylvania and 4 points in North Carolina, but was tied with him in Florida and trailed him by 4 points in Ohio. The North Carolina result is slightly better for Clinton than our model expected, and the Ohio result was slightly worse — but overall, these results are consistent with the model’s hypothesis of a 3- or 4-percentage point national lead for Clinton.

Quinnipiac’s aren’t the only polls out there, of course. The table below contains a simple average3 of recent polls in what we call “states to watch” — the set of 14 states that are most important to the national outcome. The average includes all polls in each state with a median field date of Aug. 21 or later — that is, polls conducted over the past two or three weeks. In some states, such as Nevada, the only polls that qualify by this definition are the 50-state online polls from Ipsos and SurveyMonkey, but in most others, such as Pennsylvania and North Carolina, there’s quite a lot of data to work with.

Recent swing state polls show Clinton narrowly ahead

Based on polls with a median field date of Aug. 21 or later. Michigan would be the tipping-point state if recent polls are right.

I’ve highlighted Michigan in the table because it would be the tipping-point state if the recent polls are right — that is, the state that would get Clinton to 270 electoral votes if she wins it along with all the states above it. She leads in Michigan by 3 percentage points in the simple average of recent polls, almost exactly matching her lead in national polls. That’s further confirmation that national polls and state polls tell pretty much the same story.

It’s interesting that Michigan shapes up as the tipping-point state in this analysis, since it’s one that had been considered relatively safe for Clinton before. But Clinton’s decline has been steeper recently in the Midwest, including in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Iowa. Conversely, her numbers have held up a little better elsewhere, such as in New Hampshire and Pennsylvania. That’s not to say there’s been no decline in these states, however. Recent Pennsylvania polls have had Clinton ahead by an average of 5 or 6 percentage points, which is nothing to complain about, but is down from the roughly 9-point lead she held in the state in mid-August.

Clinton’s Florida and North Carolina numbers have also held up comparatively well (although there’s a lot of disagreement among pollsters in both states). As a result, they’ve moved slightly closer to the tipping point and have become more important for Clinton, serving as a potential hedge for her in the event of a further deterioration of her numbers in the Midwest. On the flip side, some states presumed to be safe for Clinton might not be. Her lead in Colorado has fallen quite a bit, for instance, although this is somewhat counteracted by stronger polls in Nevada.

Some of these results look a bit different if you use the FiveThirtyEight model’s fancy-schmancy averaging methods, instead of the simple one I used above. For example, our adjusted polling average in Iowa has Clinton down 1 percentage point there, instead of 2 or 3 points. But the results don’t look that much different. Either way, Clinton is up by 3 points, give or take, in the states that matter the most.

Overall, Clinton’s chances of winning the Electoral College are 70 percent, according to our polls-only forecast, and 68 percent according to polls-plus. That’s a slight improvement in both cases from Wednesday, when her numbers were 67 percent and 66 percent, respectively.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-swing-states-are-tightening-too/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 10:05:31 AM
This is a lot worse than Romney's 47 percent comments.  Let's see how much traction they get. 

'Basket of deplorables': For once, Hillary told the truth about what she really thinks
By Wayne Allyn Root 
Published September 12, 2016 
FoxNews.com

Hillary let the cat out of a bag Friday. For once, she told us what she really thinks. the truth. No lies, no filters, no politically correct editing.

Hillary finally shared her true feelings at a fundraising event in Manhattan on Friday night, with her old pal Barbara Streisand hosting. Just like Mitt Romney exposed his true feelings about "the 47 percent" at a private fundraiser in 2012.

Hillary said that half of Donald Trump’s supporters  belong in a “basket of deplorables.”

This was the real Hillary -- raw and unfiltered. She must be taking lessons from Donald Trump.

Everything I love -- and millions of conservatives, Christians and patriots love -- is under attack from Hillary and the Democrats. They resent us. They disrespect us. They want to silence us.

Of course, she now regrets saying it. Politicians often regret letting their true feelings out. But it's clear what Hillary meant. Hillary and her supporters despise and disrespect anyone who loves God, country, family and our Constitution.

Hillary was talking about me and my friends. I’m Exhibit A for her rant. I’m the author of the new book “ANGRY WHITE MALE.” It’s my testimony about exactly what millions of angry white males who support Donald Trump believe in…and exactly what liberals like Hillary and President Obama think of us. How they are trying to target us, muzzle us, punish us and destroy us.

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Thanks Hillary. We already knew how you felt, but it's nice to get it out into the open. Now you're on record.

Everything I love -- and millions of conservatives, Christians and patriots love -- is under attack from Hillary and the Democrats. They resent us. They disrespect us. They want to silence us. They want to financially cripple us (to redistribute our income in the name of "fairness" and "social justice").

Millions of Trump supporters believe the things that made America great are simple: Faith in God, family, patriotism, American exceptionalism, capitalism, Judeo-Christian values, Constitution, military and police. But Hillary and the Democrats despise those symbols. To them, belief in those symbols makes you..."deplorable."

Well, I’m proud that Hillary and her socialist cabal see me as “deplorable.” Let’s look at who else is in this “basket" with me.  Here is a list of my teammates in Hillary's "basket of deplorables":

- The soldiers who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. We know they are Trump supporters. The latest poll shows Trump winning the military vote by a landslide. Hillary thinks they are "deplorable."

-  Military veterans. These are the Americans who were willing to die for our freedoms. Vets were included in that military poll that showed Trump winning by a landslide.

- Vets who came home from Iraq and Afghanistan with no arms, or no legs, or both. I’m betting most of them are for Trump too. Does Hillary think they’re “deplorable?”

-  Policemen murdered in the line of duty -- like the five officers recently killed in Dallas, or the three who were killed in Baton Rouge. Most every police officer I meet is voting for Trump.

-  The spouses and children of policemen murdered in the line of duty. What if they're voting for Trump? Are they “deplorable” to Hillary and her supporters?

-  Every red-blooded regular church-goer on Sunday mornings in America. We know a large majority of regular church-goers are for Trump.

-  A majority of the 28 million small business owners in America. This group will be voting overwhelmingly for Trump. They get up early, work 16 hour days, risk their own money, and create the majority of America's private sector jobs. But Hillary doesn't like them very much. She thinks if they vote for Trump they're "deplorable."

Now Hillary is walking back her comment. She says she regrets calling us all "a basket of deplorables." But it's too late. We all know your first comment was the raw truth, Hillary. That was how you really feel about us.

The only thing Hillary regrets is that she let the cat out of the bag.

Well, I have news for Hillary…

I'm for Donald Trump. And... 

I am proud to be part of "the basket of deplorables."

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/09/12/basket-deplorables-for-once-hillary-told-truth-about-what-really-thinks.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 10:08:32 AM
James Woolsey, CIA Director Under Bill Clinton, Joins Trump Campaign
ALEX PAPPAS
Political Reporter
09/12/2016

James Woolsey, who served as CIA director under Bill Clinton, is joining Donald Trump’s campaign for president as a senior adviser, the campaign announced Monday.

The Trump campaign, in a news release, said Woolsey is crossing “party lines” to help the Republican nominee.

“I have been a ‘Scoop Jackson,’ ‘Joe Lieberman,’ Democrat all of my adult life, but I am pleased to be asked to participate with others I respect in advising GOP candidate Donald J. Trump on the urgent need to reinvest in and modernize our military in order to confront the challenges of the 21st century,” Woolsey said in a statement.

“Mr. Trump’s commitment to reversing the harmful defense budget cuts signed into law by the current administration, while acknowledging the need for debt reduction, is an essential step toward reinstating the United States’ primacy in the conventional and digital battlespace,” he added.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/12/james-woolsey-cia-director-under-bill-clinton-joins-trump-campaign/#ixzz4K3vdBtoq
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 12, 2016, 10:23:14 AM
This is a lot worse than Romney's 47 percent comments.  Let's see how much traction they get. 

Yes. Insulting racist pricks is way worse than insulting welfare moms and seniors on social security.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 12, 2016, 10:26:21 AM
Yes. Insulting racist pricks is way worse than insulting welfare moms and seniors on social security.

"They're gonna put you all back in chains!"

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 10:29:17 AM
Yes. Insulting racist pricks is way worse than insulting welfare moms and seniors on social security.

Don't you ever get tired of being a water carrying liberal lapdog?  Rhetorical question. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 12, 2016, 10:31:42 AM
Don't you ever get tired of being a water carrying liberal lapdog?  Rhetorical question. 

let me guess, you are personally offended by hilary insulting racists?  Come on.  This one is easy.  They are looking to be offended.  It wasn't half, but it was some %.

A % of hilary supporters are also deplorable racists. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 12, 2016, 10:34:08 AM
let me guess, you are personally offended by hilary insulting racists?  Come on.  This one is easy.  They are looking to be offended.  It wasn't half, but it was some %.

A % of hilary supporters are also deplorable deportable racists. 

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 10:35:07 AM
let me guess, you are personally offended by hilary insulting racists?  Come on.  This one is easy.  They are looking to be offended.  It wasn't half, but it was some %.

A % of hilary supporters are also deplorable racists. 

You don't need to guess.  I called you a water carrying liberal lapdog.  I thought that was pretty clear. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 12, 2016, 10:38:56 AM
You don't need to guess.  I called you a water carrying liberal lapdog.  I thought that was pretty clear. 

you're just being deplorable, my friend. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 10:51:36 AM
you're just being deplorable, my friend. 

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 04:44:55 PM
Liberals must be in panic mode.

CNN: Hillary's Odds of Winning Drop to 58 Percent After Health Scare
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Image: CNN: Hillary's Odds of Winning Drop to 58 Percent After Health Scare
Hillary Clinton (AP Photo)
By Jason Devaney   |    Monday, 12 Sep 2016

Hillary Clinton's odds of winning the presidential election have plummeted 14 points since Friday, according to one analysis, in the wake of controversial comments she made and her health scare.

CNN's Political Prediction Market had Clinton's chances of winning at 72 percent Friday, but it was down to 58 percent Monday afternoon. Republican Donald Trump rose from 28 percent to 42 percent in the same timeframe.

Clinton's "basket of deplorables" comment Friday initially cost her 2 percentage points in the CNN system. The outcry that followed led to an additional drop, and combined with her health concerns that became apparent when she abruptly left a Sept. 11 memorial service in New York City, her numbers fell even more.

Clinton's campaign announced Sunday she was suffering from pneumonia. It also said heat and dehydration contributed to her troubles Sunday.

A CNN/ORC poll last week showed Republican Donald Trump had a 2-point lead over Clinton, 45 percent to 43 percent.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Hillary-Clinton-Donald-Trump-presidential-election/2016/09/12/id/747892/#ixzz4K5X8JUYK
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 12, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
CNN: Hillary's Odds of Winning Drop to 58 Percent After Health Scare

Once it hits 49%, Biden takes over.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 12, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
Once it hits 49%, Biden takes over.   

Nobody is taking over unless she wants them to.

They cannot force her to leave and from her behavior yesterday post-fall, she isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 12, 2016, 04:59:41 PM
Clinton still has a 68.9 percent chance of winning, but that is down from 87 percent one month ago.  

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 12, 2016, 05:34:32 PM
Nobody is taking over unless she wants them to.

They cannot force her to leave and from her behavior yesterday post-fall, she isn't going anywhere.

IF IF IF the DNC and most dems decided hilary was out - then YES, they can just release damning stuff that is so bad, she will lose.

If she's been wearing diapers for a decade, if there's more video/proof of seizures, or even shady foundation shit.

IF IF IF and when the DNC makes a decision against her, it'll stick.  Chelsea will run for prez one day, she has to keep that bridge intact.

*and we don't even know if that was her, post-fall.   Bone structure changing in 90 minutes?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 12, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
Right now:

Hillary 8 - 15

Trump 6 - 4

Sanders 18 - 1 (had held 40 - 1, until early this morning)

Biden 25 - 1

Johnson 100 - 1

Kasich 250 - 1

Stein 500 - 1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 12, 2016, 05:50:29 PM
Sanders 18 - 1 (had held 40 - 1, until early this morning)

without the shit DNC rules, Bernie likely wins this election.  He had the same crazy support that obama had in 2008.

imagine the brekaing headlines if the DNC/hilary reached an agreement of "Bernie/Warren ticket announced".   Would be the story of the year.

Trump could call her "pochahontas" and "commie" all he wants - he'd plummet in polls. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 12, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
without the shit DNC rules, Bernie likely wins this election.  He had the same crazy support that obama had in 2008.

imagine the brekaing headlines if the DNC/hilary reached an agreement of "Bernie/Warren ticket announced".   Would be the story of the year.

Trump could call her "pochahontas" and "commie" all he wants - he'd plummet in polls. 

Hate to break it to you, but the VP Kaine will stay in place. Look at the DNC bylaws
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 12, 2016, 07:13:06 PM
Hate to break it to you, but the VP Kaine will stay in place. Look at the DNC bylaws

yeah, didn't he used to be a DNC chair?  it may be the case.  Maybe not tho... goodness knows the backroom deals they make.

If Bernie is chosen as prez nominee, and bernie wants warren or biden... it will happen. 

LOL @ any suggestion the DNC cares about laws or rules.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 12, 2016, 07:19:17 PM
yeah, didn't he used to be a DNC chair?  it may be the case.  Maybe not tho... goodness knows the backroom deals they make.

If Bernie is chosen as prez nominee, and bernie wants warren or biden... it will happen. 

LOL @ any suggestion the DNC cares about laws or rules.

You are still talking about going up against the Clinton Machine with all their influences and power and potentially courts of law.

It's not going to happen bro.

Hillary or Bust.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 13, 2016, 10:03:06 AM
Ben Carson to Hillary: Release the Results of a 'Specialized MRI'
By Jason Devaney   |   Monday, 12 Sep 2016

Former Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson would like to see Hillary Clinton have a "specialized MRI" and then release the results in the wake of her health episode Sunday.

Carson, who is now a supporter of Donald Trump for president, spoke to BuzzFeed News about Clinton's sudden departure from a Sept. 11 memorial ceremony in New York.

"It is imperative that both major candidates for the highest office in the land immediately release detailed recent medical records to allow the people a fair opportunity to assess their physical fitness for office," Carson said.

"In the case of Hillary Clinton, because she has had a brain injury in the past, and there is a question of venous sinus thrombosis, the result of a recent specialized MRI would be very helpful. The stakes are too high for us to blindly elect someone to the presidency of the United States when we have the possibility of examining real evidence upon which to make a decision."

Carson also speculated something else is amiss in the Clinton campaign, which said later Sunday she was diagnosed with pneumonia. Dehydration and being overheated also contributed to Sunday's hasty exit, the campaign said.

"The fact that the security detail – assisting her as she clumsily attempted to enter her vehicle after abruptly ending her participation at a 9/11 event – did not appear surprised, as if dealing with something new, makes one wonder if such awkward moments are something they have become accustomed to," Carson told the website.

The pediatric neurosurgeon added Clinton showed "dishonesty" by failing to disclose her health status while questions swirled after she had several coughing fits on the campaign trail.

The campaign canceled a planned trip to California to allow Clinton to get some rest and heal.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Carson-Hillary-Clinton-health-MRI/2016/09/12/id/747873/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 13, 2016, 10:05:48 AM
Supporters join Trump on stage: We are not deplorable
By Lisa Hagen
September 12, 2016

Donald Trump on Monday night invited supporters on stage with him to denounce Hillary Clinton’s recent description of the GOP presidential nominee’s backers a “basket of deplorables.”

At a rally in Asheville, N.C., Trump defended his supporters and knocked the Democratic nominee for painting them as bigots and racists.

“While her campaign slanders you as deplorables and irredeemables, I call you hard-working Americans patriots that love your country and want a better future for all our people,” Trump said Monday night. “You are everybody. Above all else, you’re Americans and you’re entitled to leadership that honors you, cherishes, you and totally defends you.”

The real estate mogul was then joined by a handful of supporters who took the stage to explain who they are and why they are supporting Trump.

One African-American couple came up to the microphone and said that they’ve been serving in public education for a combined 85 years.

“My wife and I represent non-deplorable people,” the man said. “We are not racists at all.”

Another woman used her time on stage as an opportunity to bash Clinton.

“I am probably a lot of things, deplorable is not one of them I assure you,” she said, adding that, “Hillary needs to take a nap.”

Trump thanked the supporters as they exited the stage, saying, “These people are so representative of people throughout our country,”

Speaking at the National Guard Association’s yearly conference in Baltimore earlier on Monday, Trump called on Clinton to retract her comment about his supporters or end her campaign.
“Hillary Clinton still hasn’t apologized to those she slandered. In fact, she hasn’t backed down at all,” Trump said. “She’s doubled down on her campaign’s conspiracy and contempt. If Hillary Clinton will not retract her comments in full, I don’t see how she can credibly campaign any further.”

Clinton caused an uproar Friday when she said at a New York fundraiser that “half” of Trump’s supporters are “irredeemable.”

“Just to be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables,” Clinton said to laughter and cheers.

“The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic  —  you name it,” she continued.

Clinton has walked back the remarks to an extent, saying she was wrong to be so “grossly generalistic.”

But both sides appear to be content to continue that vein of attack, with Clinton doubling down on her attacksagainst Trump for running what she described as a campaign designed to appeal to racists and bigots.

Jeremy Diamond
‏@JDiamond1
.@realDonaldTrump rally Pic O' the Day:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsLzD2PWAAM9xD6.jpg)

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295554-supporters-join-trump-on-stage-we-are-not-deplorable
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 13, 2016, 10:09:37 AM
NBC Poll: Trump Cuts Clinton's Lead to 4 Points
By Mark Swanson   |   Tuesday, 13 Sep 2016

Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump 48 percent to 44 percent, down 2 points from last week, according to the latest NBC News/Survey Monkey tracking poll.

In a four-way matchup, that lead shrinks even more:

Clinton: 42 percent
Trump: 40 percent
Johnson: 11 percent
Jill Stein: 4 percent

Clinton's lead has been cut substantially since the Democratic National Convention, after which she enjoyed a 10-point lead. Simultaneously, her support among Independent voters has dwindled since then as well, from a double-digit lead to a 2-point lead, according to the survey.

Also, Trump's favorables are nearly that of Clinton's - 39 percent have a favorable impression of Clinton to 38 percent for Trump.

The NBC News/SurveyMonkey poll was conducted online from Sept. 5 through Sept. 11, the day Clinton suffered her health scare. It surveyed 16,220 registered voters. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 1.1 points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/clinton-trump-nbc-survey-monkey/2016/09/13/id/747984/#ixzz4K9mRZXA0
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2016, 10:52:42 AM
NBC Poll: Trump Cuts Clinton's Lead to 4 Points

LOL @ the celebration.   Running against an obvious sick zombie and he's only down 4. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 13, 2016, 01:09:43 PM
Panic.  Spin. 

LA Times Tracking Poll: Trump Owns 3-Point Lead Over Clinton
By Mark Swanson   |    Tuesday, 13 Sep 2016

Donald Trump has flipped the script on Hillary Clinton, taking a 3-point lead nationally, according to Tuesday's USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times tracking poll.

The results:

•Trump: 45.8 percent
•Clinton: 42.8 percent

The topsy-turvy results reflect a reversal from Sept. 7 when Clinton held a small lead over Trump.

Trump has gained ground with millennials, according to the poll. Where Clinton had maintained a lead with the 18-34 demographic, Trump now owns a 4-point lead while maintaining his grip on the older demographics.

However, the poll shows that more than half of those surveyed believe Clinton will win, regardless of which candidate they support.

•Clinton: 52.2 percent believe she will win
•Trump: 42.3 believe he will win

The USC Dornsife/LA Times "Daybreak" poll tracks about 3,000 eligible voters until Election Day; the latest poll was based on 2,665 respondents.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-leads-hillary-poll/2016/09/13/id/748049/#ixzz4KAVeVpGa
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 14, 2016, 05:48:32 AM
Trump Surges in Polls....Hillary goes down
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/ ^
Posted on 9/14/2016, 7:35:43 AM by DOC44

Results Spread General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton 42, Trump 47 Trump +5

Ohio: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Bloomberg Trump 44, Clinton 39, Johnson 10, Stein 3 Trump +5

Ohio: Trump vs. Clinton Bloomberg Clinton 43, Trump 48 Trump +5

Maine: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Boston Globe/SurveyUSA Clinton 42, Trump 39, Johnson 9, Stein 5 Clinton +3

Maine CD2: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Boston Globe Trump 47, Clinton 37, Johnson 8, Stein 5 Trump +10

Kansas: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein KSN News/SurveyUSA Trump 48, Clinton 36, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +12

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 14, 2016, 06:36:46 AM
And yet we are supposed to believe Hillary is winning simply because 240 said so?

No thanks, I'll stick to the poll results.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 14, 2016, 06:59:39 AM
A Reuters/Ipsos survey released this week gave Trump a narrow edge in a two-way race, 43 percent to 41 percent — his first lead in Colorado in the 2016 election. It follows two other recent polls showing the presidential race as a dead heat or within 5 percentage points.

Man, even Colorado is trending upward.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2016, 07:08:56 AM
And yet we are supposed to believe Hillary is winning simply because 240 said so?

No thanks, I'll stick to the poll results.

Trump is releasing, then NOT releasing his own medical records and recent physical results.

He's trying to bail her out. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 15, 2016, 06:13:21 AM
(https://i.redd.it/h8imzze1xolx.jpg)

Hey 240, go to Correct the Record & get paid for all of your Russian loan information.

Why would they want info if he is a democratic plant???  ???
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 15, 2016, 06:20:24 AM
Trump is really moving ahead now - sickly Clinton looks old, annoying, tired, and just too hagard
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2016, 06:43:07 AM
Hillary up 5 in Quinnipiac.  Trump ONLY leads nationally in ONE poll, the LA times poll?

Once he's up by 6 in EVERY poll, let's talk.  Until then, it's still an outlier and if the election is held today, he still loses.

Again, like 08 and 2012, RRepubs are enjoying their victory lap in September.  Remember the last 2 times?  Wait til trump is up 4 in EVERY poll before dancing. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 15, 2016, 07:09:36 AM
Boy, that candidate Trump sure does have quite the momentum!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 15, 2016, 07:11:20 AM


Could you imagine if the media went after Hillary's weight?!  (Trump would be the tallest since Lincoln, too  ;) )

BODY SHAMING!!!!! SEXIST!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2016, 07:13:40 AM
Romney peaked in late september, right after debate #1.   Took 51% lead in Intrade. Careful celebrating.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 15, 2016, 07:15:24 AM
Romney peaked in late september, right after debate #1.   Took 51% lead in Intrade. Careful celebrating.

Still waiting for that "October Surprise" from Assange, too.

The Dems better pull the plug on Hillary ASAP before they can't put a new name on the ballots.

They must be eating themselves alive behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 15, 2016, 07:18:59 AM
Romney peaked in late september, right after debate #1.   Took 51% lead in Intrade. Careful celebrating.

The problem is Ofagget was a incumbent POTUS and loved campaigning etc.  Hillshitbag is collapsing all over the place, a train wreck of a human, corrupt, fat, ugly, and a horrible person. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2016, 07:26:31 AM
The problem is Ofagget was a incumbent POTUS and loved campaigning etc.  Hillshitbag is collapsing all over the place, a train wreck of a human, corrupt, fat, ugly, and a horrible person. 


she either takes the stage today, shows weakness. and collapses...

OR

She gets medicated, runs out, high fives people, talks shit against trump, and undermines the health talk in a big way.

Will be interesting... the entire country kinda knows she's sick.  I have a steak dinner wager going with a buddy over full blown parkinsons diagnosis in the next year... I think it'll be in the next month to be honest.   

BUT if she manages the drug use and comes out strong, his post-911 bounce will subside. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 15, 2016, 07:31:14 AM
The problem is Ofagget was a incumbent POTUS and loved campaigning etc.  Hillshitbag is collapsing all over the place, a train wreck of a human, corrupt, fat, ugly, and a horrible person. 

You still looking to pull the lever for Gary Johnson?

Has Trump's more focused campaign done anything to sway your ballot plans come November?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 15, 2016, 07:33:36 AM
You still looking to pull the lever for Gary Johnson?

Has Trump's more focused campaign done anything to sway your ballot plans come November?

I'm voting for Trump at this point. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 15, 2016, 07:37:54 AM
His medical records.  8)

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/DJT_Medical_Records_.pdf (https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/DJT_Medical_Records_.pdf)

Test levels 441
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 15, 2016, 07:40:52 AM
I'm voting for Trump at this point. 

(http://www.golfian.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Mah-Ninja-Meme-Photo.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on September 15, 2016, 07:45:43 AM
I'm voting for Trump at this point. 

We welcome you to Team Deplorable!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 15, 2016, 07:56:42 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on September 15, 2016, 08:08:24 AM

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 15, 2016, 09:56:21 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/15/a-brutal-new-batch-of-polls-for-clinton-shows-trump-winning-in-several-swing-states.html?_source=Facebook



libs in sheer panic - 240 included
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2016, 10:09:05 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/15/a-brutal-new-batch-of-polls-for-clinton-shows-trump-winning-in-several-swing-states.html?_source=Facebook



libs in sheer panic - 240 included

Right? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2016, 10:10:20 AM
libs in sheer panic - 240 included

it's fun to have me as the foil for the debate here, but you were agreeing with me a few months ago that trump was a dem plant ;)

Just because he made it close and she got sick, this doesn't nullify his lifetime of liberalism.  If ANYTHING, his liberal policies he's proposing should reinforce what we were both saying months ago.  

he promised a 15% tax loophole for all small businesses, and he just revoked that with his new policy.  He's adding a 35% tax on imports so he can subsidize essentially free healthcare for poor people up to 4 kids, but not upper and wealthy.

I hope you're ready to pay $1400 for an ipad so that the chick you pass on the street with 4 kids can have free daycare ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2016, 10:10:56 AM
New Polls In Ohio And Florida Offer Worrying Results For Hillary Clinton
Both states look increasingly like battlegrounds.
09/14/2016
Ariel Edwards-Levy
Staff Reporter and Polling Director, The Huffington Post

Ohio and Florida are both looking like close races in this year’s presidential election, according to new polling released Wednesday that gives Donald Trump the edge in both states.

Polls from both Bloomberg Politics and CNN in Ohio give Trump a 5-point lead over Hillary Clinton. Bloomberg’s survey, conducted by Selzer & Co., finds Trump ahead 44 percent to 39 percent among likely voters when third-party candidates are included, and up 48 percent to 43 percent in a head-to-head match with Clinton. CNN/ORC gives Trump 46 percent to Clinton’s 41 percent, among likely voters, with Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson taking 8 percent and Green Party nominee Jill Stein 2 percent. In a two-way matchup, Trump led 50 percent to 46 percent.

A second CNN poll, in Florida, finds Trump up by 3 points, 47 percent to 44 percent, with Johnson taking 6 percent and Stein 1 percent. In a head-to-head, Trump leads by 4 points.

It’s rarely a good idea to look at any surveys in the absence of context ― even good pollsters can differ substantially, and it’s often difficult to predict whose picture of the electorate will be more on the mark. Both CNN’s and Bloomberg’s polls in Ohio, for instance, show an electorate that’s notably more Republican than that of some other recent surveys.

But the results offer increasing evidence that polling has tightened since the days of Clinton’s more commanding leads over the summer.

HuffPost Pollster’s averages have always shown a relatively close race in both Ohio and Florida, especially in comparison with Clinton’s far healthier leads in states like Wisconsin, Virginia and Colorado. But coming off a post-convention bounce, Clinton led in nearly every poll of Ohio and Florida taken during August.

That’s no longer the case. In Florida, polls of head-to-head matchups taken since the beginning of September have all shown fairly narrow margins, ranging between a 2-point lead for Clinton and a 3-point lead for Trump. HuffPost Pollster’s model, reflecting a set of far better results for Clinton during August, puts her over Trump by just under 3 points, although that’s likely to drop if other surveys confirm CNN’s results.

In Ohio, recent polls have shown everything from a 7-point Clinton lead to a 5-point Trump advantage, but four of the five newest surveys give the edge to Trump. HuffPost Pollster’s model shows Trump and Clinton effectively tied at about 43 percent.

It’s not yet clear how much, if any, of the change is due to last weekend’s news cycle, during which Clinton walked back a comment describing half of Trump’s supporters as “deplorables” and then announced she’d been diagnosed with pneumonia.

Another question is to what extent the swings represent genuine shifts in public opinion. One theory, called “differential nonresponse,” argues that shifts in public polling are overstated, and often reflect a change not in what voters think, but in how likely they are to answer a survey at that particular moment.

“Some of the change may involve a small number of Republicans who, for whatever reason, are momentarily more inclined to be interviewed than they were a few weeks ago (or a small number of Democrats who are less inclined),” SurveyMonkey’s Mark Blumenthal wrote Wednesday. “Some involves less politically engaged voters shifting their opinions. The odds are good it’s some combination of the two.”

Clinton still leads in national polls by an average of nearly 4 points, down from 8 points during the summer, but still on par with President Barack Obama’s widest leads over Mitt Romney during the 2012 presidential election. A Quinnipiac University survey, also released Wednesday, gave her a 5-point edge over Trump.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ohio-florida-polls_us_57d9dea4e4b0071a6e05569e?section=&
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 15, 2016, 10:13:20 AM
Right now:

Hillary Clinton  4 - 7

Donald Trump  6 - 4

Bernie Sanders  20 - 1

Joe Biden  25 - 1

Paul Ryan  50 - 1

Gary Johnson  100 - 1

John Kasich  250 - 1

Jill Stein  500 - 1

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on September 15, 2016, 03:46:31 PM
(http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/36ac6c0337.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2016, 07:05:27 PM
Clinton still has a 68.9 percent chance of winning, but that is down from 87 percent one month ago.  

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/


Freefall.  Down to 60.3 percent in three days. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
Fox News Poll: Clinton and Trump in a one-point race among likely voters
By  Dana Blanton 
Published September 15, 2016
FoxNews.com

The presidential race is tight.  Hillary Clinton tops Donald Trump by just one point among likely voters in the four-way ballot.  In the head-to-head matchup, Trump’s up by one point. 

Clinton receives 41 percent to Trump’s 40 percent, according to a new Fox News Poll, with Libertarian Gary Johnson at 8 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein at 3 percent. 

In a two-way matchup, likely voters give Trump the edge over Clinton: 46-45 percent.

The poll, released Thursday, was conducted Sunday through Wednesday evenings, at a time when Clinton faced new questions about her health after falling ill at a 9/11 memorial event.

It’s the first Fox News Poll this season that includes results among likely voters, so a direct comparison can’t be made to previous polls.

An apples-to-apples comparison is possible among registered voters, and the two-way vote trend shows the race has definitely tightened:  Clinton was up by 10 points at the beginning of August (49-39 percent).  By the end of August she was up 6 points (48-42 percent) -- and now she’s up by just 3 points (46-43 percent). 

CLICK HERE TO READ THE FULL POLL RESULTS

Likely voters are those registered voters who report a high probability they will cast a presidential ballot this year.  At this point, fewer non-white and younger voters are saying they intend to vote compared to other groups -- and that hurts Clinton.

“It’s clear what the Clinton campaign needs to do, and that’s make sure non-white and younger voters show up on Election Day,” says Democratic pollster Chris Anderson.  “If these traditional Democratic voters turn out at past rates, she probably wins.”

Both tickets have the backing of most of their key voting blocs.  In the four-way race, Trump has the advantage among white evangelical Christians (+52 points), whites without a college degree (+31), and men (+13). 

Clinton is preferred among non-whites (+51 points), women (+13), and those voters living in households earning less than $50,000 (+16). 

Independents prefer Trump over Clinton by 36-31 percent, while 16 percent go for Johnson and 7 percent Stein.  Eighty percent of Republicans back Trump, and 81 percent of Democrats support Clinton.

"Lately Trump’s avoided the sort of controversy that undermined his efforts throughout August," says Republican pollster Daron Shaw, who conducts the Fox News Poll along with Anderson. "By allowing Clinton's problems to be the story, he may finally be consolidating Republican support."

Fewer Democrats (77 percent) than Republicans (86 percent) are “extremely” or “very” interested in the presidential election right now.

Even so, supporters on both sides are about equally enthusiastic about their candidate.  Almost all of those backing Clinton feel certain they’ll vote for her in November (87 percent) and say it’s important to them she win (91 percent).  That’s matched among Trump supporters, as they overwhelmingly say they’re certain to vote for him (90 percent) and it’s important he win (87 percent).

In addition, 53 percent of Clinton’s backers strongly favor her, while 24 percent have some reservations.  For Trump, 50 percent strongly favor him and 27 percent have reservations.  On both sides, about one in five says their support is driven by dislike of the other candidate.

Seven in ten voters don’t like the way the government is working, including 44 percent who are dissatisfied and 27 percent who are “angry.” 

Over half would go even further:  57 percent say the world’s “going to hell in a handbasket.” 

“Angry” voters prefer Trump over Clinton (by 54 points), as do “handbasket” voters (by 35 points). That’s driven by the fact that Republicans are nearly three times as likely as Democrats to feel angry about the way the government is working, and about twice as likely to feel the world’s going to hell. 

Likely voters trust Trump over Clinton on handling the economy (+7 points) and corruption in government (+11). They favor Clinton on race relations (+24 points), immigration (+5), nominating the next Supreme Court justice (+1), and terrorism/national security (+1).

On immigration, while there’s been some back-and-forth on Trump’s position on deportation, he’s been consistent on building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.  Over half of likely voters disagree with the GOP nominee and oppose building a wall.  The same is true among registered voters, which is a change in sentiment.  In the past, half or better favored the wall.  That shift is mainly due to a double-digit increase in opposition among Democrats. 

Seven-in-ten Republicans favor the wall, and a recent Fox News Poll found nearly three in ten favor deporting as many illegal immigrants as possible (August 28-30).

The new poll finds many voters think those favoring deportation are motivated by racism (37 percent say racism is a major factor in favoring deportation and 32 percent minor factor). 

Pollpourri

Among registered voters:

-- Republicans split over their nominee, as 50 percent are happy with Trump, while 48 percent wish it were someone else.  That’s mostly unchanged since June. 

-- 52 percent of Democrats are happy with Clinton at the top of their ticket.  That’s down from 58 percent in June.  Forty-three percent would rather have Bernie Sanders, up from 37 percent. 

-- 12 percent of Republicans who preferred someone else as their nominee defect to Clinton in the four-way ballot.  Only five percent of Sanders backers back Trump.

The Fox News Poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,006 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from September 11-14, 2016.  The survey includes results among 867 likely voters.  The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for results among both registered and likely voters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/15/fox-news-poll-clinton-and-trump-in-one-point-race-among-likely-voters.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2016, 07:18:40 PM
Freefall.  Down to 60.3 percent in three days. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

I remember when romney got up to 51% in 2012.   We're still cleaning up confetti from his victory parade.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2016, 10:12:18 AM
I remember when romney got up to 51% in 2012.   We're still cleaning up confetti from his victory parade.


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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2016, 10:13:08 AM
New poll shows Clinton and Trump nearly tied in Michigan
Todd Spangler, Detroit Free Press
September 15, 2016

WASHINGTON – A month after it appeared the race for president in Michigan might be all but over, Republican Donald Trump has cut deeply into Democrat Hillary Clinton’s post-convention lead, with an exclusive new Free Press/WXYZ-TV poll showing Trump has moved closer to tying Clinton in a state that hasn't backed a Republican nominee since 1988.

Clinton, whose lead in some national polls also has disappeared lately after a successful convention this summer in Philadelphia, still leads Trump 38%-35% in Michigan, according to the poll done by Lansing-based EPIC-MRA for the Free Press, WXYZ-TV  (Channel 7) and their outstate partners. But that is within the poll’s 4-percentage-point margin of error, and a significant drop from her 11-point lead last month.

. . . .

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/15/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-michigan-poll/90381296/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2016, 10:14:05 AM


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Oh, Trump is peaking right now.  He peaked on sept 5th but then hillary's parkinson's showed up.

Wait - you're one of those lukewarm moderate RINOs that won't say she's sick with Parkinsons, let me guess!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2016, 10:14:21 AM
Freefall.  Down to 60.3 percent in three days. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Down to 57.3.   :o

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 16, 2016, 12:57:44 PM
Oh, Trump is peaking right now.  He peaked on sept 5th but then hillary's parkinson's showed up.

Wait - you're one of those lukewarm moderate RINOs that won't say she's sick with Parkinsons, let me guess!

I think you are dead wrong - there are legions of people like myself who have been wishy washy who now are moving over to Trump - he is only going to gain now against your Dream Queen Hillcunt
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2016, 01:06:09 PM
I think you are dead wrong - there are legions of people like myself who have been wishy washy who now are moving over to Trump - he is only going to gain now against your Dream Queen Hillcunt

well, Trump has achieved the same high in the polls that he had on July 10th, 2016.

He has not broken any new ground that he didn't have this summer... even with hilary having email woes and a freaking stroke in front of the world.  He's just as high as he was when Bernie was shitting on hilary - and he's done everything right.

Will hilary keep doing everything wrong and having seizeures for the camera?  Will trump go back to being disciplined, not the cocky drama crap he's done for the past 2 days?   If I was a betting man, I'd have to put a nickel on trump peaking in the next few days, just like he did on Sept 5th... and then hilary slowly rebuilds, capped with her looking wise and trump looking silly at the debate.

Remember... Trump doesn't want ot answer tough Qs at the debates.  He's starting fights with moderator and already said he wants NO MODERATOR... he wants to just stand there bloviating.

He's gonna be asked what happens to world treaties, agreements, and int'l law when he just 'takes the oil'.... and the US is nothing more than a colonial enterprise at that point.

and that's when it all starts falling down - when people realize his grasp of actual presidential duties is 7th grade logic.  "take their oil".   lol!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 16, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
well, Trump has achieved the same high in the polls that he had on July 10th, 2016.

He has not broken any new ground that he didn't have this summer... even with hilary having email woes and a freaking stroke in front of the world.  He's just as high as he was when Bernie was shitting on hilary - and he's done everything right.

Will hilary keep doing everything wrong and having seizeures for the camera?  Will trump go back to being disciplined, not the cocky drama crap he's done for the past 2 days?   If I was a betting man, I'd have to put a nickel on trump peaking in the next few days, just like he did on Sept 5th... and then hilary slowly rebuilds, capped with her looking wise and trump looking silly at the debate.

Remember... Trump doesn't want ot answer tough Qs at the debates.  He's starting fights with moderator and already said he wants NO MODERATOR... he wants to just stand there bloviating.

He's gonna be asked what happens to world treaties, agreements, and int'l law when he just 'takes the oil'.... and the US is nothing more than a colonial enterprise at that point.

and that's when it all starts falling down - when people realize his grasp of actual presidential duties is 7th grade logic.  "take their oil".   lol!

All trump has to do is not call hillary a fat F AND a cvnt to her face at the debate and he wins at this point.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 16, 2016, 01:23:34 PM
I don't think Johnson's flub cause him to miss any voters at all, lol.  He's right around where he was before that day.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
All trump has to do is not call hillary a fat F AND a girl to her face at the debate and he wins at this point.

disagree.   even trump supporters will usually agree that he doesn't have the biggest grasp on issues.

increasing torture, killing family members of bad guys, treatening nukes in europe, taking oil from soverign nations...

there are things that aren't based in reality.  these are things that people with high school educations think is viable.  grownups know it when they hear it. trump lost monster confidence after his 9 weak answers to matt lauer.

when trump does the debate, he'll get hit. he'll say he'll take oil, he'll agree to meet someone, he'll make some threat - and just like obama in 2008, hilary will POUNCE and point out the ludacris and dangerous nature of this act.   Even his high school dropout supporters will realize "man, this dude kinda doesn't know how stuff works in the global scale, huh?"

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 17, 2016, 01:11:46 PM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2016, 10:56:09 AM
Poll: Trump catching Clinton in critical Electoral College vote
Published September 17, 2016 
FoxNews.com

A Reuters poll released Saturday shows Hillary Clinton’s once-significant Electoral College lead dropping sharply in recent week -- with much tighter races in Florida, Ohio and other key states that will decide the national contest.

The wire service’s weekly tracking poll of more than 15,000 Americans projects that Clinton -- “if the race was held today” -- has a 60 percent chance of winning by 18 electoral votes, compared to having an 83 percent chance last week.

Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, or her Republican rival, Donald Trump, will need 270 electoral votes -- from a total of 538 across all 50 states, based on how many members of Congress each state has.

The Reuters’ State of the Nation poll, done by the Ipsos firm, also shows Trump projected to win Florida, if the November election were held now.

The first-time candidate has 50 percent support in the state, compared to 46 percent for Clinton, according to the poll.

Florida this year has 29 electoral votes. Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama won all of them in 2008 and 2012. 

With the so-called political map favoring Democratic presidential candidates, many political analysts have predicted that Trump has a very narrow path to victory. 

The country has a few more red states than blue states, but Democrats appear to have an advantage in the nearly dozen swing states, including Florida, Ohio and Virginia. 

In a separate national Reuters/Ipsos tracking poll, Clinton continues to lead Trump by 4 percentage points, and her recent bout with pneumonia doesn’t appear to have scared away her supporters.

The national Sept. 9-15 tracking poll showed that 42 percent of likely voters supported Clinton while 38 percent backed Trump.

A Fox News poll released Thursday show Clinton ahead of Trump by just 1 percentage point among likely voters in the four-way ballot. Clinton receives 41 percent to Trump’s 40 percent, with Libertarian Gary Johnson at 8 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein at 3 percent.  In the head-to-head matchup, Trump leads up by one point.

This story based in part of wire service reports.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/17/poll-trump-catching-clinton-in-critical-electoral-college-vote.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2016, 11:00:55 AM
Long but good read.  http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/the-fundamentals-where-are-we-in-this-strange-race-for-president/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2016, 11:07:16 AM
Poll finds Clinton, Trump virtually tied in Florida
By Tom LoBianco, CNN
Mon September 19, 2016

Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are locked in a tight battle in Florida, according to the latest polling from the Sunshine State.

Clinton is leading Trump 41%-40% in a New York Times Upshot/Siena College poll released Monday, well within the poll's 3.3 percentage point margin of error, with Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson getting 9% and Green Party candidate Jill Stein getting 2%.

The poll found likley independent voters in Florida split between Trump and Clinton, supporting Trump 34% and Clinton 32%. Both major party nominees are viewed unfavorably by a majority of likely Florida voters, according to the polls -- Trump at 55% and Clinton at 53%.

The poll is similar to other findings, which have shown Trump and Clinton locked in a tight race. A CNN/ORC poll taken earlier this month found Trump leading Clinton 50%-46% in a two-way match-up.

The NYT/Siena College pollsters surveyed 867 likely voters in Florida between Sept. 10-14.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/politics/poll-clinton-trump-florida/index.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 19, 2016, 11:11:37 AM
Poll finds Clinton, Trump virtually tied in Florida

I remember when Mccain and Romney both held 7 point leads over Obama in the Sunshine State.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2016, 11:13:28 AM
I remember when Mccain and Romney both held 7 point leads over Obama in the Sunshine State.  

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 20, 2016, 05:48:17 PM
Right now:

Hillary Clinton  8 - 15

Donald Trump  13 - 8

Bernie Sanders  20 - 1

Joe Biden  25 - 1

Paul Ryan  50 - 1

Tim Kaine  100 - 1

Gary Johnson  100 - 1

John Kasich  250 - 1

Jill Stein  500 - 1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 21, 2016, 04:47:11 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 21, 2016, 06:31:16 AM
Nate Silver raised trumps chances of winning 45% in the past month.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/nate-silver-trump-surges-45-points-one-month-now-48-chance-winning/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/nate-silver-trump-surges-45-points-one-month-now-48-chance-winning/)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 21, 2016, 06:46:16 AM
This next week is huge.  Trump has matched his previous high and has leveled off for a few days now.  Debates are huge.  He starts to fall and he may never have a lead again.  Or if he can climb higher, it'll entirely be new voters.  He's only matching his July highs now.  If trump is still rising in the national trend by next Friday, he'll be in a position to win.  If trump is where he is today next Friday, Hilary will be in strong shape. 

Debates are everything.  Hilary is way better in debates but I don't think she can stand for 2 straight hours.  She may lose it all if she cannot stand for 2 hours.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 21, 2016, 06:49:11 AM
Clinton campaign manager being eaten alive on MSNBC this morning:

Transcript:

MSNBC’S WILLIE GEIST: “I want to turn Robby to foreign policy. We had on about an hour ago sitting on this very set, one of the leaders of the Syrian opposition. She’s in town for the UNGA. All but crying out for American leadership as she painted about as bleak of a picture of what's happening inside that country as you can imagine, particularly in the city of Aleppo. Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State when this crisis began. What’s her biggest regret about the way Syria’s been handled?”

CLINTON CAMPAIGN MANAGER ROBBIE MOOK: “Well, obviously she's been out of office for some time now.”

GEIST: “She was there when it started.”

MOOK: “Well, right, but, you know, yeah. She -- I think she's well regarded for her leadership as Secretary of State. She came out of that office with a 70% approval rating. She in contrast to Donald Trump has released a clear and decisive plan to defeat ISIS. Donald Trump has said that he thinks he knows more about it than the generals and refuses to tell us what his secret plan is.”

GEIST: “I understand, Robby. What About in Syria, though? She supported the drawings of the red line. Obviously she was out of her office when Assad used chemical weapons. Was it a mistake to draw the red line if the president was not willing to go -- to do something about it when it was crossed?”

MOOK: “Well, as you pointed out, the decision regarding that was made after she was out of office so I think you'd have to ask President Obama.”

GEIST: “Was she disappointed that the President didn't act when the line was crossed?”

MOOK: “I think you'd have to ask her about that question, how she would characterize it.”

GEIST: “You're here to speak for her, Robby. Would you care to discuss that at all?”

MOOK: “Look, what matters is what she is going to do as president. As I said, she has a clear plan to defeat ISIS. Donald Trump does not. It’s a secret. He won't tell anybody what it is and he says he knows more than the generals. I think the choice is clear.”

GEIST: “Day one in office, Robby, what does she do in regards to Syria?”

MOOK: “First of all, she needs to -- she has said she will work with our allies to dismantle their safe harbor in Syria and Iraq. She will harden our defenses here at home and she will dismantle their network around the world and a lot of that is going to happen in cyber space and through digital communications. So you can go on our website and read the full plan there.”

MSNBC’S MIKE BARNICLE: “So, Robby, we do realize that you are not Secretary of State, but in the debate next Monday evening how would Secretary Clinton respond to somewhat of a version of the following question, we've had a relief convoy bombed, potentially a war crime, leading into Aleppo. What would you do, Secretary Clinton, about providing food, water, and medicine to the citizens of eastern Aleppo today, right now, differently than what the Obama administration is doing? What would she do differently?”

MOOK: “Again, I think you're going to have to ask her that question. That’s a matter of policy and I’m going to leave it for her.”

MSNBC’S JOE SCARBOROUGH: “We love you, buddy, but what are you here for if you can't answer basic questions? I mean, I don't know if there's a -- I mean, we may be tiptoeing into Gary Johnson territory here if you don't know the answer to that basic of a question. What is the response to Aleppo? Then why do we have you here?”

MOOK: “I think -- look, you're asking new policy questions. You would have to ask the secretary.”

SCARBOROUGH: “New? Aleppo’s been around for -- Syria’s been around for some time. The red line being drawn has been around for some time. All. I’m not being difficult here at these are basic questions.”

MOOK: “And I’m not being difficult either. I’m simply saying that she has laid out a plan to defeat ISIS and if there are new questions pertaining to Aleppo, I’m going to need to let her answer those, and she will answer those in the debate and we look forward to her having the opportunity to do that.”
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on September 21, 2016, 07:04:37 AM
Thank you StoneTear...Hillary Clinton is DONE

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 21, 2016, 08:14:31 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/2016_Reuters_Tracking_-_Core_Political_9.20_.16_.pdf (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/2016_Reuters_Tracking_-_Core_Political_9.20_.16_.pdf)

Trump +2 Nationally with Likely Voters (Up 4 pts from last poll); Tied with Registered Voters
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 21, 2016, 08:53:01 AM
Trump within the Margin of Error in New fucking Jersey.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 21, 2016, 09:21:01 AM
People want to vote for him - he just needs to stay on course and not make any more stupid mistakes.

Most people DETEST that pos granny CUNTLINTON
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 21, 2016, 09:54:00 AM
People want to vote for him - he just needs to stay on course and not make any more stupid mistakes.

Most people DETEST that pos granny CUNTLINTON

even her supporters just fear trump worse.

the debates will tell all.   IF she can stand for 2 hours without showing any medical issues, she will outperform trump and win this election.
IF she is shaky, falls, shows side effects, or craps herself onstage, then she will be done, and the DNC will force her out.

obama pauses elections, maybe, or they just reprint ballots... and Biden/Warren literally sodomized Trump at the ballots - because while dems are currently voting against trump while hodling their nose for hilary, they will EMBRACE a chance to vote for Biden and the faux indian.

Warren has been high profile lately, doing all the shows... taking on CEOs.  She wants to be fresh in everyone's mind if hilary faints onstage on monday.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 21, 2016, 09:57:54 AM
even her supporters just fear trump worse.

the debates will tell all.   IF she can stand for 2 hours without showing any medical issues, she will outperform trump and win this election.
IF she is shaky, falls, shows side effects, or craps herself onstage, then she will be done, and the DNC will force her out.

obama pauses elections, maybe, or they just reprint ballots... and Biden/Warren literally sodomized Trump at the ballots - because while dems are currently voting against trump while hodling their nose for hilary, they will EMBRACE a chance to vote for Biden and the faux indian.

Warren has been high profile lately, doing all the shows... taking on CEOs.  She wants to be fresh in everyone's mind if hilary faints onstage on monday.

So an executive order by Obama to change the ticket? Because the deadline to change the ticket, by law, in all states is by the end of the month. The deadline has passed in a lot of states already.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 21, 2016, 10:07:01 AM
So an executive order by Obama to change the ticket? Because the deadline to change the ticket, by law, in all states is by the end of the month. The deadline has passed in a lot of states already.

i believe he has the power.  political backlash would be BAD.

But it's 2016... the ability to print ballots and reach new voters using facebook, youtube, etc, would be easy.  it's not the 1950s anymore where they would have to send out mailers.  It'd be on everyone's facebook feed in a day.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 21, 2016, 10:42:32 AM
Down to 57.3.   :o

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Down to 56.8.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 21, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
Sabato's Crystal Ball: Clinton's Lead 'Much More Precarious'
By Cathy Burke   |   Monday, 19 Sep 2016

A new analysis from the University of Virginia Center for Politics shows a shift in the U.S. electoral map that helps Donald Trump and makes Hillary Clinton's position "much more precarious" than it was six months ago.

According to "Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball," third-party candidates have gained momentum in swing states, Clinton has suffered from a disastrous few weeks on the campaign trail, and Trump has benefited from a new campaign team that has kept the GOP nominee more on message.

"[Clinton's] position is much more precarious than it was previously," Geoffrey Skelley of the Center for Politics told an NBC affiliate in Virginia.

"Donald Trump has surged in some swing states and at the same time importantly, really, Hillary Clinton has fallen off more perhaps than Trump has even surged. So that's another explanation to why the race has tightened so much. She has lost some support."

The "Crystal Ball" changes to its Electoral College map include:

Florida, Nevada, and North Carolina move from "Leans Democratic" to "Toss-up."
Ohio and Iowa move from "Leans Democratic" to "Leans Republican."

Colorado, Michigan, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin move from "Likely Democratic" to "Leans Democratic."
Missouri moves from "Likely Republican" to "Safe Republican."

"Despite all of these ratings changes toward Trump, an Electoral College majority still at least leans toward Clinton — but just 272 electoral votes, a bare majority," the analysis noted.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/poll-Donald-Trump-Hillary-Clinton-campaign/2016/09/19/id/749070/#ixzz4KuhQ9g9T
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 21, 2016, 10:55:51 AM
Intrade had Romney at 51% chance to win after obama's terrible debate #1 performance in 2012.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 21, 2016, 11:00:59 AM
Intrade had Romney at 51% chance to win after obama's terrible debate #1 performance in 2012.

Panic.

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 21, 2016, 11:09:08 AM
Hillary was holding 2-9 for a long ass time, but today is at 8-15.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 21, 2016, 02:45:33 PM
Nate Silver: Trump surges from 3% to 48% chance of winning
By Paul Bedard (@SecretsBedard) • 9/20/16

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nate-silver-trump-surges-from-3-to-48-chance-of-winning-in-1-month/article/2602386
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 21, 2016, 03:28:22 PM
Fox News Poll: Trump tops Clinton in battlegrounds Nevada, N. Carolina, Ohio
By  Dana Blanton 
Published September 21, 2016
FoxNews.com
 
Donald Trump narrowly leads Hillary Clinton in the battleground states of Nevada, North Carolina, and Ohio. 

That’s according to Fox News statewide likely voter polls conducted Sunday through Tuesday evenings. 

Trump is helped by strong support from working-class white voters, while Clinton is hurt by a lackluster performance among younger voters and women. 

In each state, Trump’s advantage is within the margin of sampling error.  Here’s how the numbers breakdown state-by-state:

Nevada

Trump has a three-point advantage over Clinton among likely voters in the Silver State (43-40 percent).  Libertarian Gary Johnson receives eight percent.  Nevada voters also can cast a ballot for “none of these,” and that option takes four percent. Green Party candidate Jill Stein is not on the ballot in Nevada. 

Nevada Fox Poll

Independents back Trump (42 percent) over Clinton (23 percent) and Johnson (21 percent). 

The Democrat is trailing expectations among women and younger voters. 

CLICK HERE TO READ THE NEVADA POLL RESULTS

Those under age 45 are almost equally likely to back Clinton (42 percent) as they are to back Trump (39 percent) -- and Johnson garners double-digit support (11 percent). 

Women in Nevada backed Barack Obama over Mitt Romney by a 16-point margin in 2012, according to the Fox News Exit Poll. Clinton’s up by just six points.

Both Clinton and Trump supporters have a high degree of vote certainty (93 percent each). 

“There is a huge geographic disparity in Nevada,” notes Democratic pollster Chris Anderson, who conducts the Fox News Poll with Republican Daron Shaw.  “Clinton is ahead in Vegas and urban areas, while Trump leads outside Vegas and in rural areas -- this is an obvious advantage for Clinton in get-out-the-vote efforts.”

The race is mostly unchanged in a head-to-head matchup without Johnson:  Trump 46 vs. Clinton 42 percent. 

Views of President Obama’s job performance are divided:  49 percent approve, while 48 percent disapprove.  He won Nevada in both 2012 (by 6.7 points) and 2008 (by 12.5 points).

North Carolina

In North Carolina, Trump is up by five points among likely voters. He receives 45 percent to Clinton’s 40 percent, and 6 percent favor Johnson.  Stein is not on the ballot.

Whites back Trump by a 31-point margin (58-27 percent), while blacks support Clinton by 82 points (85-3 percent). 

North Carolina Fox Poll

Independents favor Trump (41 percent) over Clinton (24 percent) and Johnson (14 percent). 

And while voters under age 45 prefer Clinton by 46-32, Johnson gets 11 percent of them. 

CLICK HERE TO READ THE NORTH CAROLINA POLL RESULTS

Ninety-five percent of Trump supporters and 90 percent of Clinton backers feel certain of their vote choice. 

In the two-way ballot, Trump’s also up five (47-42 percent).

North Carolina was red in 2012 (Romney by two points) and blue in 2008 (Obama by less than one point).  By a 50-46 percent margin, more voters disapprove than approve of Obama today. 

Ohio

The Buckeye State is another must-win for Trump, and the poll finds him up by five points among likely voters: 42-37 percent. Johnson receives six percent and Stein gets two percent. 

Trump’s edge over Clinton comes mainly from independents (+20 points) and working-class whites (+26).  Clinton’s up by just three points among women.  Obama won them by 11 in 2012. 

Ohio Fox Poll

Most of Clinton’s (89 percent) and Trump’s supporters (88 percent) are certain they will back their candidate. 

“Clinton’s mistakes on the campaign trail have driven many disaffected Republicans into Trump’s camp,” says Shaw. “Just as consequential is the fact Trump is ahead of Clinton among independents by 17-20 points in these states.  If that holds, he might actually pull this off.”

Meanwhile, by a 58-30 percent margin, voters approve of the job Republican John Kasich is doing as governor.  Among those who approve, 45 percent support Trump, 33 percent back Clinton, and 7 percent Johnson. 

CLICK HERE TO READ THE OHIO POLL RESULTS

Without third-party candidates in the mix, it’s Trump over Clinton by 45-40 percent. 

Currently, 47 percent of voters approve of the job Obama is doing, while 48 percent disapprove.  He won Ohio in both 2012 (by three points) and 2008 (by almost five points).

“Trump has been much more disciplined in his comments recently and is almost certainly benefiting from keeping his attacks focused on Clinton as opposed to other Republicans or Gold Star families,” says Anderson. 

Meanwhile, Clinton trails Trump by two points among voters living in union households.  That voting bloc went for Obama over Romney by 23 points in 2012. 

Senate Races

The polls, released Wednesday, also ask about the senate races in these key states, and find the races within the margin of error in Nevada and North Carolina, while Republican Rob Portman holds a double-digit lead in Ohio.  In each state, the GOP senate candidate fares slightly better than Trump.

There’s good news for Republicans in Nevada, where they hope to pick up the seat of the retiring Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid.  Joe Heck leads his Democratic opponent Catherine Cortez Masto by seven points:  43-36 percent.  Independent American Party candidate Tom Jones trails with 6 percent and “none of these” gets 5 percent. 

In North Carolina, incumbent Sen. Richard Burr bests Democratic challenger Deborah Ross by 43-37 percent, with Libertarian Sean Haugh at 6 percent. 

Ohio Sen. Rob Portman holds a 14-point lead over Democrat Ted Strickland:  51-37 percent.  The incumbent senator tops the former governor by 28 points among independents.  Portman also garners the support of most Republicans (88 percent), as well as 15 percent of Democrats.  He won the seat in 2010 with 57 percent of the vote.

“Winning the four-to-five seats needed to regain control of the senate becomes a tricky proposition for the Democrats if the GOP gains the Reid seat and Burr holds on,” notes Shaw. “The Democrats have to win their tight races in Pennsylvania and Indiana, and even that might not be enough.” 

There’s also a gubernatorial race in North Carolina.  Republican incumbent Pat McCrory tops Democrat Roy Cooper by 46-43 percent.  Libertarian Lon Cecil receives 3 percent.

The Fox News Poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R).  The polls were conducted September 18-20, 2016, by telephone (landline and cellphone) with live interviewers among a sample of likely voters selected from statewide voter files in Nevada (704), North Carolina (734), and Ohio (737).  Bilingual interviewers were used in Nevada.  In all three states the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for the total sample of likely voters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/21/fox-news-poll-trump-tops-clinton-in-battlegrounds-nevada-n-carolina-ohio.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 22, 2016, 04:06:34 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/21/clinton-asks-why-she-isnt-beating-trump-by-50-points


LMFAO - the video is so funny - total meltdown by sickly clinton
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 22, 2016, 06:02:24 AM
Trump within the Margin of Error in New fucking Jersey.

ABSOLUTE MADNESS!!!!
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 :o :o
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 22, 2016, 06:22:13 AM
Clinton only up +6 in Illinois... That's ridiculous.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 23, 2016, 05:38:04 PM
Poll: Candidates Disliked, Viewed as Dishonest
Friday, 23 Sep 2016

Americans have negative views of both Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump. He comes off as a little worse.

In a new Associated Press-GfK poll, she's viewed as more qualified, civil and compassionate than Trump, but voters are somewhat more likely to view her as corrupt.

But even on her biggest weaknesses, Trump fails to do much better in polling. Both candidates are widely viewed as dishonest.

Things to know about Americans' views of the presidential candidates:

DISLIKED, DISHONEST

Both Trump and Clinton are widely disliked by majorities of registered voters, but negative feelings about Trump outpace those for Clinton, 61 percent to 56 percent.

More also say their unfavorable opinion of Trump is a strong one than say the same of Clinton, 50 percent to 44 percent.

Twenty-six percent of Republican registered voters have an unfavorable opinion of their party's nominee, while 21 percent of Democratic voters have an unfavorable opinion of theirs.

Only 27 percent of Americans say Clinton is at least somewhat honest, while 53 percent say she's not honest at all. Trump performs marginally better on that measure, with 32 percent saying he's very or somewhat honest and 49 percent not at all honest.

Nearly half of voters — 49 percent — say Clinton is at least somewhat corrupt, while 43 percent say the same of Trump.

CLINTON MORE QUALIFIED, CIVIL

Despite voters' negative feelings for both candidates, there are relative bright spots for the former secretary of state, who is seen as more qualified, civil and compassionate than Trump.

Fifty-three percent call Clinton at least somewhat qualified, while just 30 percent say Trump is.

Just 42 percent say Clinton is at least somewhat compassionate, but Trump fares worse, at 25 percent. About half call each nominee at least somewhat decisive.

Fifty percent of voters call Clinton at least somewhat civil. Just 24 percent say the same of Trump, and even among his own supporters 42 percent say that word describes him only slightly or not at all well. Half of voters say Trump is at least somewhat racist, while only a third say that word doesn't apply to him at all.

JOHNSON, STEIN STILL UNKNOWN

Americans still don't know much about Libertarian Gary Johnson or Green Party candidate Jill Stein. Six in 10 registered voters say they don't know enough about Johnson to form an opinion, while 7 in 10 say the same about Stein. For both, that's an improvement in name recognition since July.

Voters who do have an opinion on Johnson are split, with 17 percent giving him a favorable rating and 21 percent an unfavorable one. Views of Stein are more negative than positive, 19 percent to 9 percent.

Both the Democratic and Republican vice presidential nominees are also largely unknown. Twenty-nine percent of registered voters have a favorable and 27 percent have an unfavorable opinion of Trump's running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, with 44 percent saying they don't know enough about him to say. More than half of voters — 52 percent — say they don't know enough about Clinton's running mate, Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, while 27 percent have a favorable opinion and 20 percent an unfavorable one.

ANGER, FEAR, NO EXCITEMENT

Both candidates inspire mostly negative emotions, but American voters are particularly anxious about the Republican.

Only 29 percent of registered voters would be excited and 24 percent would be proud if Trump is elected president, while nearly half (46 percent) would be angry. Perhaps most crucially, 56 percent of voters say they would be afraid.

Clinton elicits somewhat less negative emotions but also relatively little enthusiasm. Only 30 percent say they'd be excited if she's elected and 32 percent that they'd be proud. And large minorities say they'd be angry (38 percent) or afraid (44 percent).

Three-quarters of voters say opposition to the other candidate is a major reason for supporting his or her foe.

The AP-GfK Poll of 1,694 adults, including 1,476 registered voters, was conducted online Sept. 15-19, using a sample drawn from GfK's probability-based KnowledgePanel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 2.5 percentage points, and for registered voters is plus or minus 2.7 percentage points.

Respondents were first selected randomly using telephone or mail survey methods and later interviewed online. People selected for KnowledgePanel who didn't have access to the internet were provided access for free.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll-dishonest/2016/09/23/id/749910/#ixzz4L84P67wC
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 23, 2016, 05:41:16 PM
HUFFPOLLSTER: Hillary Clinton Leads Nationally, Struggles In Some Battleground States
The race is effectively tied in North Carolina and Ohio.
Staff Reporter and Polling Director, The Huffington Post
Natalie Jackson    
Senior Polling Editor, The Huffington Post
09/22/2016

Several new polls suggest a recovery for Hillary Clinton, while others offer better news for Donald Trump. Most Americans are concerned about Donald Trump’s rhetoric. And white working class voters feel left behind. This is HuffPollster for Thursday, September 22, 2016.

NATIONAL POLL HAS GOOD NEWS FOR CLINTON  - The first NBC/Wall Street Journal poll of likely voters, released Wednesday evening, shows Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump by 6 points, 43 percent to 37 percent, in a 4-way matchup, and by 7 points, 48 percent to 41 percent, in a head-to-head ― among the best results for Clinton reported in September. The poll finds Clinton and Trump’s supporters about equally enthusiastic about voting, although Clinton supporters are more likely to say their vote is “for” her, rather than against Trump. HuffPost Pollster’s model gives Clinton about a 4-point edge over Trump in a two-way matchup, and a 3-point edge with third party candidates included. [NBC, national chart]

SWING STATE SURVEYS ARE A MIXED BAG:

-New Hampshire - A Monmouth University released Wednesday also delivered good news for Clinton, giving her a 9-point lead over Trump in the Granite State, 47 percent to 38 percent. Democrats fared less well in the survey’s Senate matchup, which gave Republican incumbent Kelly Ayotte a 2-point edge over Maggie Hassan. Pollster’s model puts Clinton up by 6, and shows Ayotte and Hassan nearly tied. [Monmouth, NH presidential chart, NH Senate chart]

-Wisconsin - The latest Marquette Law School poll finds Clinton with just a 2-point edge over Trump, 44 percent to 42 percent ― little changed from the end of August, but down from a double-digit lead immediately after the conventions. Democrat Russ Feingold continues to enjoy a comfortable margin over incumbent senator Ron Johnson, whom he leads by 6 points. Pollster’s model gives Clinton a lead of nearly 6 points, with Feingold up 8.  [Marquette, WI presidential chart, WI Senate chart]

-North Carolina - There’s less positive news for Clinton in North Carolina, where a Fox News poll from Wednesday night shows Trump ahead 45 percent to 40 percent. A Thursday morning New York Times Upshot/Siena College poll shows her faring better ― tying with Trump at 41 percent ― and finds Republicans struggling with white, college-educated voters in the state. HuffPost Pollster’s model also currently shows Clinton and Trump to be effectively tied.   [Fox, NYT, NC presidential chart]

-Nevada - The second of three battleground polls from Fox gives Trump a 3-point advantage, 43 percent to 40 percent, over Clinton. The Republican, who lagged in the state for most of the summer, has narrowly won all four of the most recent surveys there. HuffPost Pollster’s average puts both candidates at around 42 percent.   [Fox, NV presidential chart]

-Ohio - The third survey from Fox also found Trump leading in Ohio, with a 5-point lead, 42 percent to 37 percent. While several polls this month have shown Clinton in the lead, the majority ― including recent surveys from Bloomberg, Suffolk and CNN ― also showed Trump ahead. HuffPost Pollster’s average finds the race again tied at about 42 percent. [Fox, OH presidential chart]

A BIG MAJORITY OF VOTERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRUMP’S RHETORIC - Mark Murray: “A combined 69 percent of American voters say they have concerns about Donald Trump’s comments and language on women, immigrants and Muslims, including more than half who have “major” concerns, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. That’s compared with a combined 64 percent of voters who say they have concerns about Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state. Asked which problem concerns them the most about Trump, 33 percent say it’s not having the right temperament to be commander-in-chief; 27 percent say it’s his controversial comments about women, immigrants and Muslims; and 13 percent say it’s his praise for Vladimir Putin.” [NBC]

THE BIGGEST FACTOR IN CANDIDATE SUPPORT IS DISLIKE OF OTHER CANDIDATE - Carroll Doherty, Jocelyn Kiley and Bridget Johnson: “Voters who support Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump offer a variety of reasons why they do so, ranging from the candidates’ issue positions to their personal backgrounds. But a major factor for both groups, beyond their candidate’s attributes, is who they are not: Asked in an open-ended format, 33% of Trump supporters and about as many Clinton supporters (32%) frame their vote at least partially in opposition to the other candidate, often using harsh language. Among Clinton supporters, only her experience, at 32%, is mentioned as frequently as opposition to Trump. For Trump supporters, opposition to Clinton is among the most frequently cited factors for supporting their candidate, with nearly as many citing his status as a political outsider (27%) or his policy stances (26%).... Many voters have unqualified praise for their preferred candidate…. Yet sizable shares in both camps focus at least partly – or in many cases exclusively – on the flaws or shortcomings of the opposing candidate. Several voters, including a 41-year-old woman who is supporting Clinton, describe their choice as ‘the lesser of two evils.’ A 49-year-old man who backs Trump says: ‘As bad as he is, I think Hillary is worse for our country.’” [Pew]

For many voters, opposition to the other candidate is a main factor in their vote

WORKING CLASS WHITES SEE AN ECONOMY LEAVING THEM BEHIND - Jennifer Agiesta: “The biggest story of the 2016 election is undoubtedly the rise of Donald Trump, and behind the Republican nominee is a group in its last throes as the biggest force in politics: The white working class. A new survey from CNN and the Kaiser Family Foundation delves deeply into this pivotal group... Contrary to many assumptions about this group, the poll finds working class whites generally happy with their lives, and mostly satisfied with their personal financial situation. Just 18% say they are angry about the way things are going in their own lives, and 44% think America’s best days lie ahead…. But the white working class harbors deep concerns about the country’s economy, the amount the government is doing to help the working class and their own ability to influence politics. A majority, 53%, say they are very dissatisfied with the country’s economic situation and 84% say their views are not well represented by the government in Washington... About 6 in 10 white working class people say it’s gotten harder for people like them to get ahead financially and two-thirds say it’s harder to find good jobs. Many are concerned about what the next generation will face: 50% say they expect their children to have a lower standard of living than they currently have.” [CNN]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-leads-nationally-polls_us_57e3baece4b0e28b2b526614?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on September 23, 2016, 06:42:53 PM
nothing 6 coin flips can't fix...

Have no fear...

Hildog 2016 as POTUS is near!!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 26, 2016, 05:45:41 AM
Bloomberg News Poll: Trump 43 Clinton 41
breitbart.com ^ | 26 Sep 2016
Posted on 9/26/2016, 7:43:24 AM by Helicondelta

The latest Bloomberg News national poll shows that Donald Trump two points ahead of Hillary Clinton.

Trump earns 43 percent support to Clinton’s 41 percent. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson earns 8 percent while Green Party candidate Jill Stein got 4 percent.

Trump leads Clinton on voter’s impressions of his health. Sixty one percent say that Trump has excellent or good while only 36 percent said the same about Clinton.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2016, 06:30:09 AM
tonight, Trump loses this election.

Tonight, only 1 of 2 things can happen.

hilary comes out doing handstands, medicated and laughing off conspiracies about her health.  She's vibrant, cracking jokes, and the media narrative tomorrow is "HIlary creams Donald".  Trump, for his part, talks about his junk size, bill's affairs, and has unrealistic answers on many military things.   The narrative is "this is when Hilary turned it around".  Remember, trump hasn't done anything he didn't have in July - only hilary has LOSt support since then.

OR

Hilary sucks.  She's sick and weak and is exposed.  And then Trump has to run against biden.  And SC, I think you would agree - biden eats trump's mothertrucking lunch.  Biden smashes him.  Hilary is an old lady with disease who collapses on 911 and can't walk steps without diaper duty... but she's STILL tied with trump.  A freshly rested Biden is quick as shit mentally - he will pummel the donald. 


i'm still betting she does what she does with the benghazi trial - come out vibrant and medicated - but who knows.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 26, 2016, 06:31:51 AM
tonight, Trump loses this election.

Tonight, only 1 of 2 things can happen.

hilary comes out doing handstands, medicated and laughing off conspiracies about her health.  She's vibrant, cracking jokes, and the media narrative tomorrow is "HIlary creams Donald".  Trump, for his part, talks about his junk size, bill's affairs, and has unrealistic answers on many military things.   The narrative is "this is when Hilary turned it around".  Remember, trump hasn't done anything he didn't have in July - only hilary has LOSt support since then.

OR

Hilary sucks.  She's sick and weak and is exposed.  And then Trump has to run against biden.  And SC, I think you would agree - biden eats trump's mothertrucking lunch.  Biden smashes him.  Hilary is an old lady with disease who collapses on 911 and can't walk steps without diaper duty... but she's STILL tied with trump.  A freshly rested Biden is quick as shit mentally - he will pummel the donald. 


i'm still betting she does what she does with the benghazi trial - come out vibrant and medicated - but who knows.

you are so begging for Hillary to do well - just admit it
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2016, 06:33:35 AM
you are so begging for Hillary to do well - just admit it

lol dude, after ten years on getbig... you think I root for anything BUT chaos and craziness?   I've been louder than anyone about her health woes.  Coach shows up in the last month as he diescovers it - i've been posting about it for a year.

i want to see her exposed as sick - because i think her being sick/unconscious thru presidency is horrible for america.   I want to see a strong dem and a strong repub run, and I want america to win as they choose the better option.  Neither will get my vote of course.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 26, 2016, 06:38:31 AM
Will Hilldawg be wearing her Dragonball Z scouter glasses for this debate? I wouldn't see a necessary reason for her to wear glasses to a debate other than to prevent a seizure.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 26, 2016, 06:45:24 AM
Will Hilldawg be wearing her Dragonball Z scouter glasses for this debate? I wouldn't see a necessary reason for her to wear glasses to a debate other than to prevent a seizure.

at this point, the whole world just wants to see her fall down.  Even the dems.  they're gonna have to load her up on an assload of drugs to stay standing - and that means her answers may be loopy or loud or out of it.  She'll probably have her earpiece in, with Doc Choc telling her to relax. 

But when 100 mil americans - and up to a billion watching globally - are all rooting for you to collapse so we can see Biden vs Trump, meds can only go so far.  The entire format of the debate is DESIGNED to make hilary collapse.  No bathroom breaks?  I mean, 90 minutes is a long ass tie when you're sipping water to speak nonstop.  After 90 minutes of singing, I always gotta pee, cause I drank a whole bottled water to keep voice right.   I cannot imagine how much they'll BOTH have to pee after this debate. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 26, 2016, 07:53:51 AM
Hillary Clinton  4 - 7
Donald Trump  13 - 8
Joe Biden  25 - 1
Bernie Sanders  33 - 1
Paul Ryan  50 - 1
Tim Kaine  100 - 1
Gary Johnson  100 - 1
John Kasich  250 - 1
Jill Stein  500 - 1

Bernie fell from 20 - 1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 26, 2016, 08:03:20 AM
Trumps' best hedge are his enemies - the Libfags, the ghetto dwellers looking for free shit, the andreisacunt vote, the academic idiot vote, the young dopers, etc. 

Trump couldnt ask for a better coalition to run against than this crop of worthless losers. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 26, 2016, 08:49:02 AM
Down to 56.8.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast

Down to 51.8 percent.   :o

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 26, 2016, 08:56:13 AM
FiveThirtyEight: Trump would win if election were held today
By Neetzan Zimmerman
September 26, 2016

Donald Trump would beat Hillary Clinton if votes for president were cast today, according to the election results predictor designed by top pollster Nate Silver.

FiveThirtyEight’s “now-cast” model is giving Trump a nearly 10-point edge over Clinton in response to the question, “Who would win the presidency today?”
Silver previously gave the Republican presidential nominee a sizable advantage over his Democratic rival in late July, following the Republican National Convention.

Today’s prediction comes just hours before the crucial first presidential debate.

Clinton, the Democratic nominee, still holds the lead in FiveThirtyEight’s two other predictive models: polls-plus forecast and polls-only forecast.

There is a new policy in 2016 that qualifies homeowners who live in specific zip codes to be eligible for $1,000's of dollars in Government funding to install solar Read More
In both models she leads by a narrow margin of 3.6 percentage points.

The website's electoral map graphic appears to show Clinton winning over 270 electoral votes in all three models, though in its calculation of total electoral votes won by each nominee, Trump receives 275.9 votes to Clinton's 261.9.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/297770-fivethirtyeight-trump-would-win-if-elections-were-held
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 26, 2016, 10:07:36 AM
FiveThirtyEight: Trump would win if election were held today
By Neetzan Zimmerman
September 26, 2016

Donald Trump would beat Hillary Clinton if votes for president were cast today, according to the election results predictor designed by top pollster Nate Silver.

FiveThirtyEight’s “now-cast” model is giving Trump a nearly 10-point edge over Clinton in response to the question, “Who would win the presidency today?”
Silver previously gave the Republican presidential nominee a sizable advantage over his Democratic rival in late July, following the Republican National Convention.

Today’s prediction comes just hours before the crucial first presidential debate.

Clinton, the Democratic nominee, still holds the lead in FiveThirtyEight’s two other predictive models: polls-plus forecast and polls-only forecast.

There is a new policy in 2016 that qualifies homeowners who live in specific zip codes to be eligible for $1,000's of dollars in Government funding to install solar Read More
In both models she leads by a narrow margin of 3.6 percentage points.

The website's electoral map graphic appears to show Clinton winning over 270 electoral votes in all three models, though in its calculation of total electoral votes won by each nominee, Trump receives 275.9 votes to Clinton's 261.9.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/297770-fivethirtyeight-trump-would-win-if-elections-were-held

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/09/Clinton-Trump-2016-Electoral-Map-Trump-Wins-420x315.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 26, 2016, 10:17:39 AM
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/09/Clinton-Trump-2016-Electoral-Map-Trump-Wins-420x315.jpg)

Only down -1 in PA to Clinton.

Judging from residence outside of Philly, Trump should be winning. They are saying Trump signs/support everywhere, except Philly.  :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on September 26, 2016, 10:20:32 AM
Only down -1 in PA to Clinton.

Judging from residence outside of Philly, Trump should be winning. They are saying Trump signs/support everywhere, except Philly.  :D

Minnesota...

Those fuckers are always dug in  :( >:(

(http://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1984_large.png)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 26, 2016, 10:22:34 AM
Trump winning early voting in Florida.  :o :o :o

(https://i.sli.mg/CnOELw.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 26, 2016, 10:31:09 AM
I'm voting for Trump not because of Trump - but because I want to see all the scum on the left commit mass suicide.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 26, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
UPI/CVoter state polls: Donald Trump ahead of Hillary Clinton in Electoral College
UPI ^ | 9/26/16 | Allen Cone
Posted on 9/26/2016, 3:34:15 PM by Ravi

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 (UPI) -- Donald Trump would earn enough votes to win the presidency in the Electoral College based on UPI/CVoter's state tracking poll released Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 26, 2016, 01:15:52 PM
Trump, Clinton Tied in Minnesota with Pennsylvania, North Carolina Tightening
Breitbart ^ | SEPTEMBER 26, 2016 | NEIL W. MCCABE
Posted on 9/26/2016, 3:05:24 PM by Hojczyk

Democratic pollster Patrick Caddell told Breitbart News: “Trump is closing everywhere and states that have not been in play are coming into play, like Minnesota.”

Caddell said those states that had been considered battleground states are not moving as fast, but all are inside the margin of error.

In the battleground states, the Clinton campaign has built the infrastructure and made the investments, so they have the ability to fight there what is becoming a national tide, he said.

“Part of that is because the Clinton campaign, well both campaigns, but particularly the Clinton campaign has spent so much of its money–pouring millions into those states to hold onto a point or two–probably the least efficient cost-benefit I have ever seen,” he said.

“Minnesota is a perfect example,” he added.

“Minnesota has been a close state in past elections, even though the Democrats always seem to win it, it was close in 2000 and 2004,” he said.

All polls were executed using automated phone calls and results were weighted to match a proprietary turnout model.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 27, 2016, 07:45:45 AM
Hillary Clinton  2 - 5
Donald Trump  2 - 1
Joe Biden  25 - 1
Bernie Sanders  33 - 1
Paul Ryan  50 - 1
Tim Kaine  100 - 1
Gary Johnson  100 - 1
John Kasich  250 - 1
Jill Stein  500 - 1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 27, 2016, 09:41:03 AM
(https://i.redd.it/d5n8lm7pl3ox.gif)

Trump is Racist  >:(
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 27, 2016, 09:45:30 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 27, 2016, 10:22:38 AM
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14463204_10210505445856738_4763887825907118752_n.jpg?oh=44fe546e9da58f23dc226dce17fb4fdf&oe=58644846)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 27, 2016, 10:25:51 AM
Five Times Lester Holt Shilled for Hillary Clinton at First Debate
by JOEL B. POLLAK
26 Sep 2016

NBC News’ Lester Holt had his “Candy Crowley” moment at the first debate of the 2016 presidential election on Monday night, bowing to pressure from the Hillary Clinton campaign and the liberal media by “fact-checking” Republican nominee Donald Trump on the question of his support for the Iraq War.
Holt lived up to the expectations of his peers. But he lived down to the worst expectations of conservatives, who routinely see Republican candidates treated unfairly by debate moderators.

Again and again, Holt asked Trump tough questions that were straight from the Clinton campaign’s talking points, and which were obvious set-ups for Clinton to attack (and for fact-checkers to pounce on whatever Trump asserted in his own defense).

Here are the five worst examples.

Tax returns. Holt never asked Clinton about her e-mail scandal, about Benghazi, or about the Clinton Foundation and its dubious dealings. But he did ask Trump about his tax returns, arguing — not asking — that there might be questionable information in them that the American public deserved to hear.

Birther conspiracy theory. Holt never asked Clinton about her past record of racist statements, including her “super-predator” remarks as First Lady, or her explicit appeal to “white Americans” in her 2008 primary campaign against Obama. Yet he asked Trump about the Birther conspiracy theory and cast it as racist.

Stop-and-frisk. After an exchange between the candidates over the policy of “stop-and-frisk,” Holt interjected to bolster Clinton’s point by stating, erroneously, that stop-and-frisk had ended in New York because it had been declared unconstitutional by a court. Trump countered, correctly, that the new mayor had canceled the policy before the litigation was over.

“A presidential look.” Towards the end of the debate, Holt asked Trump about what he meant by saying Hillary Clinton did not have “a presidential look.” He did so after noting that Clinton had become “the first woman” to be nominated for president by a major political party, thus setting Trump up as a sexist. As Trump answered, Holt interrupted him, then gave Clinton a chance to respond with her talking points about Trump’s past comments on women.

Iraq War. The question of whether Trump supported the Iraq War or not has been widely debated. What is beyond doubt is that Hillary Clinton voted for it. Holt only represented one side of the debate about Trump, and never asked Clinton about her own vote.

In addition, the audience repeatedly interjected — almost always in Clinton’s favor — and Holt did not stop them, though it was against the rules. He only stopped the audience when there were cheers for Trump calling for Clinton’s emails.

Bow again, Lester Holt. You did your job.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/26/lester-holt-candy-crowley-moment-first-debate/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 27, 2016, 10:27:53 AM
Link to the first debate:

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 27, 2016, 10:51:00 AM
Republicans blaming the moderators.  This is an old theme. 

Trump failed to capitalize on all of Hilary's scandals and the many openings she left for him.

He cared more about clarifying his position on Rosie O'Donnell, than he did about attacking her for deplorables, benghazi, emails, or other crimes. 

That's what this all comes down to... He has a TV show mindset, where it's all about feuds and battles and owning and saving face.  She has the presidential mindset.   Her positions on taxes and obamacare suck - but she acted presidential.  And he did not.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 27, 2016, 10:54:04 AM
Hillary called Trump "sexist" "racist" and "crazy" etc.

Trump called her Secretary Clinton all night.

If we are using Obama as the standard of "Presidential" then Hillary WAS acting presidential.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 27, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
NAFTA Fraud

Presidential hopeful Donald Trump may be flip flopping a bit on some issues; but on at least one vital one that should concern anyone who lives in this country, he is absolutely right (read: left) on: NAFTA. Mr. Trump’s statements have been unequivocal regarding the so-called ‘North American Free Trade Agreement.’ He calls it what it is: “a disaster.”

Trump recalls Perot

In the 1992 Presidential debates, both the Democrat Clinton and the Republican Bush I were solidly behind NAFTA, the so-called North American Free Trade Agreement. Like most duplicitous trade agreements, it was good for the bottom lines of giant corporations like Wal-mart, General Electric, Monsanto and General Motors, while it was terrible for American workers. Independent candidate Ross Perot was the only one unafraid to speak truth to power, well represented that debate night by the NWO’s hand-picked Bush and Clinton puppets.

Perot warned Americans of what the passage of NAFTA would bring: “That giant sucking sound you’ll hear,” he said, in his high-pitched Texas twang, “is the sound of all those American jobs going to Mexico.” Perot was exactly right, of course.

Phoney Lefty Slick Willie Clinton

After Clinton was elected in 1992, he spearheaded NAFTA into law for his world bank paymasters. Several million Americans quickly lost their manufacturing jobs, American family farms began to fail by the millions and were quickly gobbled up by corporations forming their awful factory farms. Meanwhile, Mexico’s own jobs, especially those of its farmers, were also destroyed, because like the U.S., they no longer had their centuries’ old tariffs in place to protect their local economies. The collapse of Mexico’s economy led to the mass exodus that has become the enormous problem of illegal immigration. The loss of those manufacturing jobs, of course, also led to American families loss of spending power, which also hastened the gutting of local economies. Clinton simply finished the job Bush I had announced with his infamous “New World Order” speech. The horrors of “globalization” rapidly began turning America into a third-world country. We’ve been racing toward the bottom ever since. The federal government has grown exponentially as states have been forced to cede more and more power due to their economic losses courtesy of NAFTA.

NAFTA Gold Standard Test for Democratic Party

NAFTA was always the gold standard test for the party of the working people, which, in sane times, was traditionally the democrats. But then slick Willie Clinton gave the lie to all the old nomenclature when he rammed NAFTA through. It should have been crystal clear then to anyone not blinded by partisan lunacy that he was, in fact, a good Republican in Democrat clothing. Obama continued the lie of the phony leftists by fully supporting NAFTA as well, and by supporting even worse trade arrangements, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Hillary Clinton as first lady actually held propaganda meetings to support NAFTA. The Hill creature is solidly behind NAFTA now, proving once and for all that these party tags of ‘Democrat’ or ‘Republican’ are, for all purposes, completely meaningless.

Into this breech, meanwhile, comes Republican Presidential front runner Donald Trump. As a “good” Republican, the party of corporate control, the Donald, by affiliation, should be solidly behind NAFTA. But here is what Trump said about NAFTA in a CBS ’60 Minutes’ interview in October 2016:

NAFTA Fraud

“It’s a disaster. … We will either renegotiate it, or we will break it. Because, you know, every agreement has an end. … Every agreement has to be fair. Every agreement has a defraud clause. We’re being defrauded by all these countries.”

Fraud is what NAFTA is and always has been. Fox Noise, MSNBC and other phony “right” and phony “left” news outlets may try to tell us that every other thing out of Mr. Trump’s mouth contradicts what came before, but as far as NAFTA goes, Trump is the only candidate on the so-called “right (Sanders the only one on the so-called “left”) who is speaking truth to power.

Beware the pro-NAFTA “news” analysis paid for by the corporations that own the news outlets, including NPR, which before George Bush made it a government-apologist mouthpiece, used to have some merit. (NPR has openly admitted to broadcasting propaganda for the Pentagon during the Vietnam War, among other countless transgressions.) NAFTA is a disaster, for America AND for Mexico.

NAFTA on Steroids

It’s time to pay attention, folks. There’s something even worse than NAFTA on the way. The Trans-Pacific Partnership is NAFTA on steroids. Please read about it, get properly mad, and write your Congressional reps and then vote for somebody who will do something about these anti-American agreements rapidly destroying our country and our way of life.

dmlawfirm.com/nafta-fraud
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on September 27, 2016, 11:45:32 AM
Hillary denied saying the TPP is the "Gold Standard" in the Debte last night:


Hillary Clinton Praises TPP As “Gold Standard In Free Trade Agreements”





She denied that she said exactly this. She just told a bold faced lie to MILLIONS of Americans.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on September 27, 2016, 12:51:00 PM
Hillary denied saying the TPP is the "Gold Standard" in the Debte last night:


Hillary Clinton Praises TPP As “Gold Standard In Free Trade Agreements”





She denied that she said exactly this. She just told a bold faced lie to MILLIONS of Americans.

Pretty clear, now, NAFTA and TPP (TPPA) serve as a two punch combination.  NAFTA weakened America in just the "right" way to create the path for TPPA.

So no one had better say Bill Clinton "didn't know" what he was assisting and quite frankly spearheading as THE voice for the shady characters behind NAFTA. 

He lied like a champ throughout the whole thing, then.  He is a liar, and now he wants his wife to finish the job of lying to us.  Bottom line: Clinton = Lies.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 28, 2016, 04:07:05 PM
LA Times:  Trump 46, Clinton 42, 2673 respondents. 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 28, 2016, 06:19:09 PM
LA Times:  Trump 46, Clinton 42, 2673 respondents. 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/

Nothing new here. The L.A. Times has had Trump in the lead since day one. The L.A. Times is the outlier.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 28, 2016, 06:28:56 PM
Nothing new here. The L.A. Times has had Trump in the lead since day one. The L.A. Times is the outlier.

No they haven't.  If you actually click the link it shows when Clinton was ahead. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on September 28, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
The LA Times hasn't had Trump in the lead, but they do self admit that their poll is right leaning. So they expect it to pull for Trump more so than other polls.

They wrote a big thing on why.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 28, 2016, 06:38:30 PM
The LA Times hasn't had Trump in the lead, but they do self admit that their poll is right leaning. So they expect it to pull for Trump more so than other polls.

They wrote a big thing on why.

Pretty big nationwide sample, so not sure how it is "right leaning," unless they have a disproportionate number of conservative and/or Republican respondents. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on September 28, 2016, 06:41:19 PM
Pretty big nationwide sample, so not sure how it is "right leaning," unless they have a disproportionate number of conservative and/or Republican respondents. 
They have stated it probably is because...



http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-polling-differences-20160809-snap-story.html


Typically, polls ask people which candidate they favor or lean toward. Those who say they don’t know or are undecided don’t get factored into calculations of candidate support.

The Daybreak poll, by contrast, asks voters, using a 0-to-100 scale, to rate their chances of voting for Clinton, for Trump or for some other candidate. As a result, everyone who responds to the survey has some impact on the results. Because that approach gathers information from everyone in the poll sample, it should give a better read on the many voters who remain ambivalent about their choices.

Using the 0-to-100 scale, however, almost certainly makes the Daybreak poll differ somewhat from other surveys. As with the bounce, any difference that results should shrink as election day gets closer and voters become more certain of their choices.

Finally, some analysts think the Daybreak poll is slightly tilted toward the Republican side because of how it accounts for the way people voted in the last election.

All pollsters weight their results somewhat to make sure their samples match known demographics — the right proportions of men and women, for example, or blacks, whites and Latinos.

The Daybreak poll goes a step further and weights the sample to account for how people say they voted in 2012: It’s set so that 25% of the sample are voters who say they cast a ballot for Mitt Romney and 27% for President Obama. The rest are either too young to have voted four years ago or say they didn’t vote.

The potential problem is that people tend to fib about how they voted. Polls have often found that the percentage of people who say after an election that they voted for the winner exceeds the winner’s actual vote.

If that’s the case this year, then weighting for the vote history would result in slightly too many Republican voters in the sample, which would probably boost Trump’s standing by a point or two.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 28, 2016, 06:53:32 PM
They have stated it probably is because...



http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-polling-differences-20160809-snap-story.html


Typically, polls ask people which candidate they favor or lean toward. Those who say they don’t know or are undecided don’t get factored into calculations of candidate support.

The Daybreak poll, by contrast, asks voters, using a 0-to-100 scale, to rate their chances of voting for Clinton, for Trump or for some other candidate. As a result, everyone who responds to the survey has some impact on the results. Because that approach gathers information from everyone in the poll sample, it should give a better read on the many voters who remain ambivalent about their choices.

Using the 0-to-100 scale, however, almost certainly makes the Daybreak poll differ somewhat from other surveys. As with the bounce, any difference that results should shrink as election day gets closer and voters become more certain of their choices.

Finally, some analysts think the Daybreak poll is slightly tilted toward the Republican side because of how it accounts for the way people voted in the last election.

All pollsters weight their results somewhat to make sure their samples match known demographics — the right proportions of men and women, for example, or blacks, whites and Latinos.

The Daybreak poll goes a step further and weights the sample to account for how people say they voted in 2012: It’s set so that 25% of the sample are voters who say they cast a ballot for Mitt Romney and 27% for President Obama. The rest are either too young to have voted four years ago or say they didn’t vote.

The potential problem is that people tend to fib about how they voted. Polls have often found that the percentage of people who say after an election that they voted for the winner exceeds the winner’s actual vote.

If that’s the case this year, then weighting for the vote history would result in slightly too many Republican voters in the sample, which would probably boost Trump’s standing by a point or two.

Thanks.  They don't admit their poll is right leaning.  They say "some analysts" think it might be.  Their own conclusion is that the way they weight the poll might give Trump a 1 or 2 point boost.  Not enough to discredit the poll IMO. 

Different subject, I had a discussion with someone who works for the Hillary campaign yesterday and used the Koch line about not wanting to choose between cancer and a heart attack and that I was voting for Gary Johnson.  This lady then called me stupid, racist, and sexist.  I was literally laughing out loud.  Some real true believers out there.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 28, 2016, 06:55:31 PM
Pretty big nationwide sample, so not sure how it is "right leaning," unless they have a disproportionate number of conservative and/or Republican respondents. 

538 says to take the LA times number, add 6 points for hilary, and you have the RCP national average.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/

nuff said.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 28, 2016, 06:58:51 PM
Thanks.  They don't admit their poll is right leaning.  They say "some analysts" think it might be.  Their own conclusion is that the way they weight the poll might give Trump a 1 or 2 point boost.  Not enough to discredit the poll IMO. 

Different subject, I had a discussion with someone who works for the Hillary campaign yesterday and used the Koch line about not wanting to choose between cancer and a heart attack and that I was voting for Gary Johnson.  This lady then called me stupid, racist, and sexist.  I was literally laughing out loud.  Some real true believers out there.

They assign some value to how people report they voted in 2012.  As a result, the repub always gets a 6 point boost.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/upshot/a-favorable-poll-for-donald-trump-has-a-major-problem.html?_r=0

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on September 28, 2016, 07:43:03 PM
Thanks.  They don't admit their poll is right leaning.  They say "some analysts" think it might be.  Their own conclusion is that the way they weight the poll might give Trump a 1 or 2 point boost.  Not enough to discredit the poll IMO. 

Different subject, I had a discussion with someone who works for the Hillary campaign yesterday and used the Koch line about not wanting to choose between cancer and a heart attack and that I was voting for Gary Johnson.  This lady then called me stupid, racist, and sexist.  I was literally laughing out loud.  Some real true believers out there.

It's probably right leaning, but I don't think that makes it bad information. The way they did the poll is different, but it lends itself to some real world ideas. Nothing wrong with that.

Racist and sexist?

She sounds ridiculous. All of the candidates are white!

Sexist because you don't think Hillary is a good candidate? That's a big part of what's wrong with the Only Hillary clowns.

I too was talking to a woman who told me something along the lines of "If Hillary isn't the nominee, then I know that men are keeping her down."

Me asking her if it wasn't possible that maybe she just isn't what people really want to lead them didn't sit to well.

She totally got mad when I brought up the DNC emails about trying to bury Sanders when that stuff came out.

Some people are just delusional and have to make any excuse for why you don't like their candidate.

They can't handle anything rational and just have to make it about some kind of bigotry.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 29, 2016, 02:35:25 AM
NEW National @TheIJR/@Google_Surveys Post-Debate Poll
Trump 46 (+2)
Clinton 44
Johnson 4

+3% toward Trump in a week
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 29, 2016, 08:39:02 AM
Poll: Hillary Clinton has the edge among people planning to skip election

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-has-the-edge-among-people-planning-to-skip-election/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-has-the-edge-among-people-planning-to-skip-election/)

Hillary Clinton has the edge among people who aren’t planning to vote in November’s election, according to a new Bloomberg Politics national poll.

The survey found 38 people of people not intending to vote support Clinton while 27 percent of them back Donald Trump if they decided to cast a ballot.

Clinton could also benefit if they can convince more non-white voters to turn out to the polls 40 days from now, the poll shows.



 ??? :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on September 29, 2016, 08:43:47 AM
Poll: Hillary Clinton has the edge among people planning to skip election

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-has-the-edge-among-people-planning-to-skip-election/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-has-the-edge-among-people-planning-to-skip-election/)

Hillary Clinton has the edge among people who aren’t planning to vote in November’s election, according to a new Bloomberg Politics national poll.

The survey found 38 people of people not intending to vote support Clinton while 27 percent of them back Donald Trump if they decided to cast a ballot.

Clinton could also benefit if they can convince more non-white voters to turn out to the polls 40 days from now, the poll shows.



 ??? :D


more bad news for 240..
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 29, 2016, 08:53:33 AM
more bad news for 240..

I dont think I can vote for anyone in this election.  Johnson gets stupider every day.  Hilary and Trump are the same thing. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on September 29, 2016, 09:00:37 AM
I dont think I can vote for anyone in this election.  Johnson gets stupider every day.  Hilary and Trump are the same thing. 

You are a liar.

Come election day you will vote for Hillary.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 29, 2016, 01:01:06 PM
Rasmussen: Clinton Takes 1-Point Lead Over Trump
By Ritika Gupta   |    Thursday, 29 Sep 2016

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are almost at par with each other in their White House race, after Monday night's debate, according to Rasmussen Reports' first daily White House Watch survey released Thursday.

The breakdown:

•Clinton: 42 percent;
•Trump: 41 percent;
•Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson: 7 percent;
•Green Party nominee Jill Stein: 2 percent;
•Other candidates: 3 percent;
•Undecided: 5 percent.

In last week's poll, before the presidential debate, Trump was ahead of Clinton by five points — 44 percent to 39 percent.
 
About 80 percent voters say they are sure which candidate they will vote for, of which Clinton and Trump are tied with 48 percent support each.

Among voters who think they might still change their minds, 34 percent voted for Clinton, 33 percent for Trump, 25 percent for Johnson and 8 percent for Stein.

The survey, which was conducted between Sept. 26 and 28, had 1,500 likely voters as respondents. The margin of sampling error is +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/rasmussen-clinton-leads-trump/2016/09/29/id/750875/#ixzz4Lg1qFNYn
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 29, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 29, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
Down to 51.8 percent.   :o

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast

Up to 63.7 percent.  Huge post debate bump.   

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on September 29, 2016, 09:32:12 PM
tonight, Trump loses this election.

hilary comes out doing handstands, medicated and laughing off conspiracies about her health.  She's vibrant, cracking jokes, and the media narrative tomorrow is "HIlary creams Donald".  Trump, for his part, talks about his junk size, bill's affairs, and has unrealistic answers on many military things.   The narrative is "this is when Hilary turned it around".  Remember, trump hasn't done anything he didn't have in July - only hilary has LOSt support since then.

i'm still betting she does what she does with the benghazi trial - come out vibrant and medicated - but who knows.

(http://www.pixelsham.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/maybe.gif)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 29, 2016, 10:17:50 PM
Bottom line is this and this a stone cold fact. If you think giving Killary a pass from what she has said, has done in her past and is still doing and you're making endless excuses for her,  you absolutely have NO moral integrity what so ever. Consider yourselves enemies of this country.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on September 30, 2016, 08:24:15 AM
Maine and Minnesota are now "toss-up" according to RCP. That's crazy!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 30, 2016, 09:35:59 AM
Clinton Sees Post-Debate Bounce In State Polls
Her strong debate performance may be paying off.
09/30/2016
Janie Velencia 
Associate Polling Editor, The Huffington Post
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THE WASHINGTON POST VIA GETTY IMAGES

In the wake of the first presidential debate, polls show Hillary Clinton ahead of Donald Trump.

Voters may have taken note of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s strong debate performance on Monday.

She is ahead of rival Donald Trump in three key swing states ― Michigan, New Hampshire and Florida ― according to polls conducted after the debate.

Clinton has taken a 7-point lead against Trump in Michigan, with 42 percent of the vote to his 35 percent, according to a Detroit News/WDIV poll. In a two-way match-up that excludes third-party candidates, Clinton still maintains her 7-point advantage.

She’s ahead by the same margin in New Hampshire, taking 42 percent of the vote to Trump’s 35 percent, according to a WBUR poll.

And in Florida, Clinton leads Trump by 4 points, 46 percent to 42 percent, according to a Mason-Dixon poll.

National polls released earlier in the week also signal good news for Clinton. The first set of post-debate polls found Clinton holding a 3- to 5-point advantage over Trump.

According to the HuffPost Pollster average, which aggregates publicly available polls, Clinton is ahead of Trump in all three states: by 4 points in Michigan, 5 points in New Hampshire and 2 points in Florida. The HuffPost Pollster national chart has the race at 48 percent to 43 percent, with Clinton in the lead.

However, it’s still too early to say if Clinton’s post-debate bounce will last. A clearer picture should emerge as more polls are released in the coming days.

The Detroit News-WDIV poll surveyed 500 likely Michigan voters on Sept 27-28. WBUR surveyed 502 likely New Hampshire voters Sept. 27-29. Mason-Dixon surveyed 820 likely voters Sept. 27-29. All three polls were conducted using live interviewers. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-leading-swing-states-post-debate_us_57ee4d61e4b024a52d2e57a6?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on September 30, 2016, 09:37:40 AM
New York Times Declares Ohio No Longer ‘Bellwether’ as Trump Pulls Ahead
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by JOEL B. POLLAK
30 Sep 2016

The New York Times, the so-called “paper of record,” has declared that the all-important swing state of Ohio is no longer an important battleground in the presidential election — now that Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is winning it.

Trump pulled ahead of Clinton in the Buckeye State in the RealClearPolitics poll average on Sep. 13, and has never looked back. The latest average, as of Sep. 24 — prior to the first presidential debate on Sep. 26 — has Trump ahead of Clinton by 2%.

Earlier in September, the Times was declaring Ohio “an essential swing state,” where Governor John Kasich threatened to destroy Trump’s presidential hopes by withholding his endorsement and denying Trump his turnout operation. The Times added: “No candidate since 1960 has made it to the White House without winning Ohio. And while Mrs. Clinton could afford to lose there given her advantage in other battlegrounds like Virginia and Colorado, Ohio is a must-win for Mr. Trump.”

Now that Trump is winning the “must-win,” the Times has revised its view of Ohio’s importance: “After decades as one of America’s most reliable political bellwethers, an inevitable presidential battleground that closely mirrored the mood and makeup of the country, Ohio is suddenly fading in importance this year,” writes Jonathan Martin, who notes that Clinton has basically conceded the state.

“Mr. Trump’s unyielding anti-trade campaign and Mrs. Clinton’s difficulty energizing Ohio’s young voters have made it a lesser focus for Democrats this year, even as it remains critical to Mr. Trump’s path to the White House,” he explains (emphasis added).

That bit of revisionist history is necessary to avoid drawing the alternative conclusion, which is that Trump’s success in the bellwether state of Ohio could portend success elsewhere as well.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/09/30/ohio-guy-bellwether-trump-pulls-ahead/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2016, 12:35:50 PM
No they haven't.  If you actually click the link it shows when Clinton was ahead. 

Didn't do that. My comment was not meant to be taken a an absolute....more just an opinion. Truth is, I don't put that much stock in the polls. They are interesting in a general sense though. Do the polls and the media coverage match up? Well, not always. The media suggests that Trump sucked (or snorted) during Monday night's debate. I'm biased so I agree that he had a poor showing compared to Clinton. However, the polls indicate that his performance (good or bad) did little to change the polling results.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2016, 12:42:21 PM
more bad news for 240..

Democrats have used huge "get out the vote" strategies in past elections. Look for this to happen soon as some states are already in the early voting process.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on September 30, 2016, 12:46:45 PM
I dont think I can vote for anyone in this election.  Johnson gets stupider every day.  Hilary and Trump are the same thing. 

You must do what you feel is right. Unfortunately, your non-vote protest won't get noticed. One of the candidates will win the election....most likely it will be Trump or Clinton. Independents have a poor history when it comes to tallying the vote. It's good that they keep trying, but it a sure lose situation.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 01, 2016, 06:35:42 AM
Democrats have used huge "get out the vote" strategies in past elections. Look for this to happen soon as some states are already in the early voting process.

Trump is surging ahead in the early voting in Florida.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 01, 2016, 07:38:28 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/doctor-links-low-t-to-men-who-vote-for-clinton-776496707663 (http://www.nbcnews.com/video/doctor-links-low-t-to-men-who-vote-for-clinton-776496707663)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 01, 2016, 08:34:28 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/doctor-links-low-t-to-men-who-vote-for-clinton-776496707663 (http://www.nbcnews.com/video/doctor-links-low-t-to-men-who-vote-for-clinton-776496707663)

fox radio has a commercial from a pro-trump T doctor.  it's hilarious.  starts like a real commercial.  "if you suffer from low energy, lack of stamina, low sex drive, desire to vote clinton... stop in for a free medical assessment"
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on October 01, 2016, 02:20:00 PM
Hillary Clinton  4 - 11
Donald Trump  13 - 5
Joe Biden  66 - 1
Paul Ryan  100 - 1
Bernie Sanders  100 - 1
Tim Kaine  325 - 1
Gary Johnson  325 - 1
Jill Stein  500 - 1
John Kasich  500 - 1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 01, 2016, 08:41:09 PM
Trump is surging ahead in the early voting in Florida.

Where are you finding this? From what I've read, the vote difference is marginal with Clinton ahead.

The recent revelation that Trump's company may have violated the embargo against Cuba doesn't bode well for him in Florida. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 01, 2016, 08:51:09 PM
Trump is surging ahead in the early voting in Florida.

Oct 24–Nov 6 is florida early voting.  and...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/early-voting-surge-benefits-hillary-clinton/

Early voting surge benefits Hillary Clinton

WASHINGTON -- More people are seeking or casting early ballots in the critical states of North Carolina and Florida than at this point in 2012, with Hillary Clinton the likely beneficiary, as early voting shows signs of surging nationwide.

Clinton may also benefit from an increase in ballot requests in Georgia, a traditionally Republican state where Democrats have made inroads. But Donald Trump is showing signs of strength in Iowa and parts of Maine, states won by Barack Obama in the last two presidential elections.

The latest snapshot of ballot data offers a glimpse into a key question: How much of a vote advantage can Clinton run up before Nov. 8, when more Republicans tend to vote?

There are two types of early voting: mailing in ballots and voting in-person before election day. Traditionally, Republicans have done better initially with early mail-in ballots, but Democrats surpass them once in-person voting begins.

While the ballot sample to date remains small, Clinton so far is hitting guideposts in several battleground states compared to 2008 and 2012.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 01, 2016, 10:40:31 PM
Oct 24–Nov 6 is florida early voting.  and...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/early-voting-surge-benefits-hillary-clinton/

Early voting surge benefits Hillary Clinton

WASHINGTON -- More people are seeking or casting early ballots in the critical states of North Carolina and Florida than at this point in 2012, with Hillary Clinton the likely beneficiary, as early voting shows signs of surging nationwide.

Clinton may also benefit from an increase in ballot requests in Georgia, a traditionally Republican state where Democrats have made inroads. But Donald Trump is showing signs of strength in Iowa and parts of Maine, states won by Barack Obama in the last two presidential elections.

The latest snapshot of ballot data offers a glimpse into a key question: How much of a vote advantage can Clinton run up before Nov. 8, when more Republicans tend to vote?

There are two types of early voting: mailing in ballots and voting in-person before election day. Traditionally, Republicans have done better initially with early mail-in ballots, but Democrats surpass them once in-person voting begins.

While the ballot sample to date remains small, Clinton so far is hitting guideposts in several battleground states compared to 2008 and 2012.

If what I've read is correct, military folks lean Republican. Since most of the military is not stationed in their home state, they vote by absentee ballot (mail). Could these Republicans be voting for Hilary?

Most of the vote in Oregon is mail-in. Only those who forget to mail their ballots until it is too late vote in person on November 8th. The best way to avoid this is to vote as soon as your ballot arrives in the mail.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 01, 2016, 11:00:02 PM
With military -
 Donald Trump leads Hillary Clinton by 19 points
Romney won by 40 points.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 03, 2016, 10:04:16 AM
He has definitely lost control of the media narrative.

Trump running out of time as controversies pile up
By Stephen Collinson, CNN
Mon October 3, 2016

With 36 days remaining before Election Day, the real estate mogul's campaign is consumed with the fallout from a New York Times story published over the weekend that found Trump reported a $916 million loss in 1995. That loss could mean Trump went 18 years without paying federal income taxes.

Those findings -- which Trump's campaign isn't disputing but haven't been independently confirmed by CNN -- would be daunting for any presidential candidate to overcome. But they're especially challenging for Trump, who is losing control of the campaign's narrative after a strong September in which he narrowed the race with Hillary Clinton.

In just the past week, Trump delivered an underwhelming debate performance, struggled to recover from it, engaged in a counterproductive feud with a Latina beauty queen, posted early morning Twitter tirades and spewed insinuations without any evidence about Clinton's marriage. The tax story -- which could undermine Trump's image as a successful businessman -- will dominate the next few days.

Time is dwindling for Trump to regain his grip on the campaign's message as Clinton supporters seize on the drama to reinforce their point that he isn't suitable for the presidency.

'Meltdown'

"The reality is that we are in day six of the meltdown," Clinton supporter Neera Tanden said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." "He had a terrible debate performance. Everybody sees that. He sees the state polls moving towards Hillary. Eleven state polls were out this week. She's beating him in every single one. He can't take that. And so this is the latest meltdown."
 
Of course, the tax story might not emerge as the kind of October surprise-style impact that Democrats hope. It is possible that Trump truly is a Teflon candidate who is so appealing to voters that his actions don't really matter. The GOP nominee's closest surrogates launched a fierce defense of Trump Sunday, portraying him as a master of business who expertly used the tax code to his benefit -- and that of his investors.

In a spirited showdown with CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union," former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani hailed Trump as a "genius."
"He knows how to operate the tax code for the benefit of the people he's serving," Giuliani said.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie dismissed the idea that Trump had done anything wrong or that the report would hurt him.
"This is actually a very, very good story for Donald Trump," Christie said.

The impact of the story -- and the swirling controversies that have bubbled up over the past week -- will come into greater focus Monday when Trump returns to the campaign trail in the key swing states of Virginia and Colorado. He largely stuck to his script at the first event of the day in which he discussed cybersecurity.

VP debate

The tax issue will almost certainly play a significant role in Tuesday's vice presidential debate. If that's the case, it will be a lost opportunity for Trump's running mate, Mike Pence, to present himself to the country as a moderating force on the GOP nominee and someone who can offer a coherent case against a Clinton presidency.

And ahead of the next presidential debate on Sunday, there's no sign Trump will do something to address the lack of focus, preparation and impulse control that helped contribute to Clinton's win at last week's showdown. Trump is now vowing to be nastier than Clinton at the second debate, bringing up Bill Clinton's marital indiscretions. At a wild rally on Saturday night, he even questioned whether Hillary Clinton had been "loyal" to her husband.

Such rhetoric not only calls into question Trump's strategy, it lets Clinton slide on some of her most significant vulnerabilities, such as her email server and questions of trust and honesty.

Trump's approach, and refusal to ignore a trap laid by Clinton in the first debate over his treatment of former Miss Universe contestant Alicia Machado, raises doubt over whether he can make inroads with educated women voters who could be vital to claim must-win states like Pennsylvania.
The freewheeling Trump on display in recent days is particularly notable because he had been doing so well and appeared keen to project more discipline under his retooled campaign team. The GOP nominee effectively wiped out Clinton's lead in national polls after an effective spell through August and mid-September. He was beginning to match her in swing states on the electoral map.

Then, after an encouraging first 30 minutes of the debate, it all went downhill. Trump has not allowed himself to get back on message ever since.
"What happened to him was he was doing well," said Van Jones, a Democrat who is supporting Hillary Clinton, on "State of the Union." "I was terrified 10 days ago this guy was going to be able to be disciplined. Hillary Clinton in 15 minutes said two or three things and threw him off his game and he has not been able to recover since the debate."

Trump's Rust Belt route

The GOP nominee's only route to the White House lies in running the table through the Rust Belt from Pennsylvania, through Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. That's why the tax story could prove powerful if struggling blue collar workers disaffected with the Democrats and considering Trump are alienated by the revelation -- even if everything was perfectly legal.

The tax issue also allows Democrats to reclaim the narrative about economic equality and fairness that proved so powerful for President Barack Obama against Republican nominee Mitt Romney in 2012. Clinton's primary rival, Bernie Sanders, relished the chance to make that point.

"So, you have got the middle-class people working longer hours for low wages. They pay their taxes. They support their schools. They support their infrastructure. They support the military. But the billionaires, no, they don't have to do that, because they have their friends on Capitol Hill. They pay zero in taxes," Sanders said on "State of the Union." "So, Trump goes around and says, 'hey, I'm worth billions, I'm a successful businessman, but I don't pay any taxes. But, you, you make 15 bucks an hour, you pay the taxes, not me.'"

He added: "That's why people are angry and want real change in this country."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/donald-trump-tax/index.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 03, 2016, 10:42:06 AM
Way to go FBI!  :D

(https://i.sli.mg/BjlbeJ.jpg)

https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/100316_Goodlatte-Letter-to-AG-Lynch.pdf (https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/100316_Goodlatte-Letter-to-AG-Lynch.pdf)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 03, 2016, 01:47:21 PM
Way to go FBI!  :D

(https://i.sli.mg/BjlbeJ.jpg)

https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/100316_Goodlatte-Letter-to-AG-Lynch.pdf (https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/100316_Goodlatte-Letter-to-AG-Lynch.pdf)

happens a lot.  not cool.  i remember the deal mitt made to just buy all his laptops so he could erase records of what went on while in office.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SaintAnger on October 03, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
^^ Wow!  Hillary is pretty fucking gangster!  Trump better be careful messing about with her...  She may come back for unfinished business after she steals the election, which I believe she will (and hope she does).
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 03, 2016, 02:36:13 PM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on October 03, 2016, 04:06:30 PM
^^ Wow!  Hillary is pretty fucking gangster!  Trump better be careful messing about with her...  She may come back for unfinished business after she steals the election, which I believe she will (and hope she does).

You believe she'll steal the election and you hope she does, uh?

Worst poster ever.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 03, 2016, 04:20:11 PM
http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/10/03/UPICVoter-poll-Donald-Trump-leads-Hillary-Clinton-by-25-points/9051475504225/&s=1&f=1&ts=1475536409&sig=AKOVD67qliVoVFUEj3mNrAx7ZyFErUSElA
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 03, 2016, 04:34:53 PM
http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/10/03/UPICVoter-poll-Donald-Trump-leads-Hillary-Clinton-by-25-points/9051475504225/&s=1&f=1&ts=1475536409&sig=AKOVD67qliVoVFUEj3mNrAx7ZyFErUSElA

The online poll shows Trump carrying 49.38 percent of voters to Clinton's 46.89 pe
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 03, 2016, 07:09:24 PM
http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/10/03/UPICVoter-poll-Donald-Trump-leads-Hillary-Clinton-by-25-points/9051475504225/&s=1&f=1&ts=1475536409&sig=AKOVD67qliVoVFUEj3mNrAx7ZyFErUSElA

You likely spent some time and energy finding anything that puts Trump ahead in the general election besides the L.A. Times.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 03, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
Was just looking at the November 2012 polls.  Tight.  Final RCP average had Obama up .7.  Actual final margin of victory was 3.9.  We are probably looking at something similar this November. 

Final polls had them:

Politico - Tie
IBD/TIPP - Obama +1
Rasmussen - Romney +1
CNN - Tie
Gallup - Romney +1
ABC/WA Post - Obama +3
Monmouth - Tie
NBC/WSJ - Obama +1
Pew - Obama + 3

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 03, 2016, 07:53:57 PM
You likely spent some time and energy finding anything that puts Trump ahead in the general election besides the L.A. Times.

It took me about 3 seconds. It's on the drudge report

http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://smartestapple.com/thereport&f=1&s=1&source=wax
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on October 04, 2016, 08:25:20 AM
Hillary Clinton  4 - 11

Donald Trump  5 - 2

Bernie Sanders  150 - 1

Joe Biden  150 - 1

Paul Ryan  225 - 1

Tim Kaine  325 - 1

Jill Stein  500 - 1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 04, 2016, 09:52:23 AM
It took me about 3 seconds. It's on the drudge report

http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://smartestapple.com/thereport&f=1&s=1&source=wax

Oh. Well today on the Drudge Report, they are tied with Clinton slightly in the lead.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2016, 10:10:55 AM
Up to 63.7 percent.  Huge post debate bump.   

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis

Up to 72.8 percent. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on October 04, 2016, 05:44:29 PM
Years before ‘Aleppo moment,’ Gary Johnson showed little interest in details of governing

SANTA FE, N.M. — For state lawmakers here who used to work with Gary Johnson, something is familiar about the former governor’s baffled looks, which have turned into an embarrassment for his third-party presidential campaign.

Longtime state Sen. Stuart Ingle (R) recalled how Johnson, soon after taking office in 1995, mostly shrugged and stared during their first meeting together. As Ingle asked Johnson questions about his agenda, Ingle said, Johnson’s most common refrain was, “I don’t know.”

At the end of the meeting, Ingle said, Johnson revealed the one position on which he would hold firm: The state’s budget should not grow. And if legislation to do so passed, the new governor added, “I will veto it.”

Over the next eight years, New Mexico lawmakers would struggle to work with a governor who paid little attention to details. Those who worked closely with Johnson, then a Republican elected as a political novice vowing to shake up the established order, recall a chief executive who would speed through meetings and often preferred to discuss his fitness routine than focus on the minutiae of policymaking.

Today, people here are not surprised that Johnson’s lack of interest in the fine points of governing has led to some high-profile stumbles in his Libertarian candidacy for president, such as his inability to name his favorite foreign leader, or when a question about the war-ravaged city at the center of the Syrian refugee crisis prompted him to ask, “What is Aleppo?”

Johnson dismisses the notion that a president must be immersed in the particulars.

“It’s amazing that somehow because you dot the i’s and cross the t’s that somehow you’re immune,” Johnson told The Washington Post in a recent interview, “and judgments are being made on me that I’m not qualified because I didn’t know something that could be answered in five seconds on an iPad.”

In a year of widespread discontent with the major-party contenders, Johnson pitches himself as a logical alternative who can bridge divisions by embracing conservative fiscal policy and left-leaning social policy.

That pitch has proved attractive to a small but significant sliver of voters, particularly young people, peeling support away from Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump. Both campaigns fret that Johnson’s presence on the ballot could tilt a tight race.

At the center of Johnson’s candidacy is his tenure in Santa Fe, where he was quick to use his veto pen and argued that government should provide only the most basic of services, such as building highways.

But Johnson ended up unnerving lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, who complained that he rarely took their ideas seriously.

When the vetoes started to pile up that first year, legislators tried to make amends by inviting him to participate in discussions about how they should spend money, according to legislative notes in the state Capitol. Johnson’s reply, again, was “no.”

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/years-before-aleppo-moment-gary-johnson-showed-little-interest-in-details-of-governing/2016/10/03/f62a00fa-873d-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 05, 2016, 07:40:43 AM
Reuters/Ipsos shows Trump up in Colorado and Nevada, tied in Wisconsin and Michigan

The Reuters/Ipsos polls have some good news for Trump on both sides of the equation. In both Nevada and Colorado, their most recent finding shows Trump two points up. Trump is leading 44 to 42 in Nevada and 45 to 43 in Colorado.

Trump is also drawing to a tie in Wisconsin and Michigan in the latest Reuters/Ipsos polling. In Wisconsin the two candidates are tied at 42. In Michigan they each pull 39%.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 05, 2016, 10:47:04 AM
Link to the VP debate:

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 05, 2016, 10:48:01 AM
Why can't Trump be like his son?  He's good.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 05, 2016, 10:48:18 AM
Reuters/Ipsos shows Trump up in Colorado and Nevada, tied in Wisconsin and Michigan

The Reuters/Ipsos polls have some good news for Trump on both sides of the equation. In both Nevada and Colorado, their most recent finding shows Trump two points up. Trump is leading 44 to 42 in Nevada and 45 to 43 in Colorado.

Trump is also drawing to a tie in Wisconsin and Michigan in the latest Reuters/Ipsos polling. In Wisconsin the two candidates are tied at 42. In Michigan they each pull 39%.


It appears that you are misinformed. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/co/colorado_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5974.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/co/colorado_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5974.html)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nv/nevada_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-6004.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nv/nevada_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-6004.html)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 05, 2016, 10:48:58 AM
It appears that you are misinformed. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/co/colorado_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5974.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/co/colorado_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5974.html)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nv/nevada_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-6004.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nv/nevada_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-6004.html)


 ???

This poll was literally just released. Take it up with Reuters.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 05, 2016, 10:49:31 AM
White House Watch
White House Watch: Trump Turnaround?
Wednesday, October 05, 2016

The two major presidential candidates remain in a dead heat, but Donald Trump has regained the edge.

The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch survey shows Trump with 42% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Hillary Clinton’s 41%. Yesterday, it was the other way around, Clinton 42%, Trump 41%, and the day before Clinton had a 43% to 40% advantage. This is the first time Trump has been ahead since before the first presidential debate last week.

Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson earns eight percent (8%) support in the latest survey, and Green Party nominee Jill Stein remains at two percent (2%). Another two percent (2%) like some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Among the 82% of voters who say they are certain how they will vote, Trump leads 48% to 47%. Among those who say they still could change their minds, it’s Trump 32%, Clinton 30%, Johnson 27% and Stein 11%.

This survey was largely completed prior to last night’s debate between Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine and Trump’s running mate Mike Pence.

Rasmussen Reports updates its White House Watch survey daily Monday through Friday at 8:30 am based on a three-day rolling average of 1,500 Likely U.S. Voters.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

The survey of 1,500 Likely Voters was conducted on October 2-4, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 2.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

. . . .

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct05
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 05, 2016, 10:55:46 AM

 ???

This poll was literally just released. Take it up with Reuters.

The links I posted are today's polls. Can you provide a link to the Reuters poll? I checked their polling page and was not able to find anything current.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 08:26:06 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 08:59:18 AM
Only 125 People Turn Out for Chelsea Clinton in Iowa
Breitbart ^ | 6 Oct 2016 | DUSTIN STOCKTON
Posted on 10/6/2016, 10:25:46 AM by mandaladon

A small crowd greeted Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton’s daughter Chelsea at a campaign stop in Sioux City, Iowa on Tuesday. At the Orpheum theater, Chelsea defended her mother and attacked Republican Presidential nominee Donald Trump to a crowd reported to include just 125 people. Chelsea Clinton told those in attendance that she doesn’t want to live in a country with what she called the “demeaning speak” of Trump.

“The demeaning speak against Americans with disabilities, against women, against minorities, against Muslims, against immigrants, against our veterans, against a gold-star family,” Clinton said. “None of that is the country that I want to live in and it’s certainly not the country that I want my children, our children, and our grandchildren to grow up in.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2016, 01:17:54 PM
Only 125 People Turn Out for Chelsea Clinton in Iowa
Breitbart ^ | 6 Oct 2016 | DUSTIN STOCKTON
Posted on 10/6/2016, 10:25:46 AM by mandaladon

A small crowd greeted Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton’s daughter Chelsea at a campaign stop in Sioux City, Iowa on Tuesday. At the Orpheum theater, Chelsea defended her mother and attacked Republican Presidential nominee Donald Trump to a crowd reported to include just 125 people. Chelsea Clinton told those in attendance that she doesn’t want to live in a country with what she called the “demeaning speak” of Trump.

“The demeaning speak against Americans with disabilities, against women, against minorities, against Muslims, against immigrants, against our veterans, against a gold-star family,” Clinton said. “None of that is the country that I want to live in and it’s certainly not the country that I want my children, our children, and our grandchildren to grow up in.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


I agree with Chelsea with regards to not wanting to live in the U.S. where, if elected, Donald Trump continues demeaning much of the citizenry. Odds are he won't win the Presidency, but anything is possible. If elected, he will probably be impeached or assassinated within a year, once the public discovers he is completely inept and that his many promises were just a bunch of lies.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 06, 2016, 01:21:45 PM
I agree with Chelsea with regards to not wanting to live in the U.S. where, if elected, Donald Trump continues demeaning much of the citizenry. Odds are he won't win the Presidency, but anything is possible. If elected, he will probably be impeached or assassinated within a year, once the public discovers he is completely inept and that his many promises were just a bunch of lies.


He has definitely demeaned a lot of people. 

How many Americans are in Clinton's basket of deplorables? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2016, 01:31:52 PM
He has definitely demeaned a lot of people. 

How many Americans are in Clinton's basket of deplorables? 

Likely quite a few. However, she hasn't been so dumb as to announce who they may be in her campaign speeches and recent debates.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 06, 2016, 01:56:37 PM
Likely quite a few. However, she hasn't been so dumb as to announce who they may be in her campaign speeches and recent debates.

Trump got about 13 million votes in the primaries/caucuses (and many more voted against him), so that means at least 6.5 million Americans are in the basket of deplorables.  If he gets about 50 million votes in November, that means about 25 million Americans will be in the basket. 

Hillary did actually announce who they were, twice:  racists, sexists, homophobes, and xenophobes. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2016, 02:31:06 PM
Racists, sexists, homophobes, and xenophobes. 

I don't get why anyone would want to wear a t-shirt proudly claiming to be one of these.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 06, 2016, 02:35:53 PM
Love it.   :)

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/a3b9c28caa45289d59971a5a75c532b5b847a290/c=95-189-1971-1249&r=x329&c=580x326/local/-/media/2016/09/12/USATODAY/USATODAY/636093128465627397-AP-Gingrich-Kennesaw.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 06, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
How many Americans are in Clinton's basket of deplorables?  

Anyone wearing a deplorables shirt kinda loses the ability to bitch about it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 06, 2016, 04:11:31 PM
Racists, sexists, homophobes, and xenophobes. 

I don't get why anyone would want to wear a t-shirt proudly claiming to be one of these.


Anyone wearing a deplorables shirt kinda loses the ability to bitch about it.


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/62/a1/50/62a150aaf4fd7c1c7a35e7b36ddf994e.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2016, 04:25:02 PM
Hillary did actually announce who they were, twice:  racists, sexists, homophobes, and xenophobes. 

I'm with her then since I also find this line of thinking deplorable.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 04:25:48 PM
Racists, sexists, homophobes, and xenophobes. 

I don't get why anyone would want to wear a t-shirt proudly claiming to be one of these.

Seek help.   Wtf wrong w you
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 06, 2016, 04:55:25 PM
I'm with her then since I also find this line of thinking deplorable.

You think half of Trump's supporters are racist, sexist, homophobic, and/or xenophobic? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
I'm with her then since I also find this line of thinking deplorable.


Grown ass adults saying they are with Hillary.   Check you damn T levels.  Christ how pathetic
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: tatoo on October 06, 2016, 06:28:45 PM
I'm with her then since I also find this line of thinking deplorable.

I have a few of those phobes lol... not the the bad ones tho.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2016, 11:45:04 PM
You think half of Trump's supporters are racist, sexist, homophobic, and/or xenophobic? 

Maybe more. These are all the things he is. It would follow that his supporters agree with him.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2016, 11:46:05 PM
I have a few of those phobes lol... not the the bad ones tho.

Could you enlighten me as to what you think the good ones are?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2016, 11:49:37 PM


Grown ass adults saying they are with Hillary.   Check you damn T levels.  Christ how pathetic

Some grown ass adults like you, fear her. She will take you down in a nano second. Only men lacking in testosterone, balls if you will fear strong women. Others embrace them.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2016, 02:43:44 AM
Some grown ass adults like you, fear her. She will take you down in a nano second. Only men lacking in testosterone, balls if you will fear strong women. Others embrace them.

Lmfao.   I don't fear her.  I hate her.  She is a criminal and a crook.  She has a lot of blood on her hands.  She is a cvnt and liar and POS
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 07, 2016, 03:32:50 AM
Maybe more. These are all the things he is. It would follow that his supporters agree with him.

Like I said in the other thread, I hope Hillary wins. Lets 550% more Muslims enter the country, and they end up stoning your creepy, old ass.

You'll get culturally enriched. You're so fucking tolerant.  :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: tatoo on October 07, 2016, 04:05:50 AM
Could you enlighten me as to what you think the good ones are?

well I wouldn't say I'm scared or have true phobias about people... but think radical muslims need to be wiped off the planet.. BLM(the group) is a joke.... ILLEGAL immigrants are a problem.... I think the lgbtq group is over exposed and given way to much publicity for nothing(being gay or whatever you want to be should not be in the forefront of almost everything they participate in, sexual practices shouldn't be that big of a deal anymore, to anyone).. ... this whole liberal mindset is just comical as well, along with all the political correctness in this country.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2016, 04:30:16 AM
well I wouldn't say I'm scared or have true phobias about people... but think radical muslims need to be wiped off the planet.. BLM(the group) is a joke.... ILLEGAL immigrants are a problem.... I think the lgbtq group is over exposed and given way to much publicity for nothing(being gay or whatever you want to be should not be in the forefront of almost everything they participate in, sexual practices shouldn't be that big of a deal anymore, to anyone).. ... this whole liberal mindset is just comical as well, along with all the political correctness in this country.

The liberal mind is a diseased mind.  Like you said it's pure comedy
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2016, 05:43:17 AM
Like I said in the other thread, I hope Hillary wins. Lets 550% more Muslims enter the country, and they end up stoning your creepy, old ass.

You'll get culturally enriched. You're so fucking tolerant.  :D

He would love that. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 07, 2016, 05:54:13 AM


I feel the same damn way about some posters here...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2016, 10:18:08 AM
NY Times Upshot: Clinton Has 82 Percent Chance of Winning Presidency
By Ritika Gupta   |   Friday, 07 Oct 2016

Donald Trump's chances of winning the presidential elections look bleak as Hillary Clinton continues to dominate polls with a broad margin.

Clinton has an 82 percent chance of winning in November while only 18 percent of Trump backers believe he can make it to the White House, according to The New York Times' Upshot elections model.

The Times' latest national polling average showed Clinton leading Trump with 45 percent to 41 percent.

In another poll, Democrats were touted as slight favorites with a 52 percent chance of winning the Senate, while Republicans were believed to have a 48 percent chance.

Almost two weeks ago, The Times endorsed Clinton for the White House saying she was more qualified than Trump to handle the challenges facing the United States.

"A lifetime's commitment to solving problems in the real world qualifies Hillary Clinton for this job, and the country should put her to work," the Times said of the former secretary of state.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/NY-Times-Clinton-Chance-Winning/2016/10/07/id/752217/#ixzz4MQ9FAMoy
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on October 07, 2016, 12:54:58 PM
Hillary Clinton  4 - 11

Donald Trump  5 - 2

Tim Kaine  50- 1

Joe Biden  150 - 1

Bernie Sanders  150 - 1

Paul Ryan  225 - 1

Mike Pence  250 - 1

Jill Stein  500 - 1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 07, 2016, 01:54:23 PM
Lmfao.   I don't fear her.  I hate her.  She is a criminal and a crook.  She has a lot of blood on her hands.  She is a girl and liar and POS

"She is a girl". Isn't that obvious? Do you have a problem with "girls"?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2016, 02:15:20 PM
"She is a girl". Isn't that obvious? Do you have a problem with "girls"?

C U N T
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2016, 06:48:29 PM
Fox News Poll: Clinton edges Trump by two points one month ahead of election
By  Dana Blanton 
Published October 07, 2016
FoxNews.com

Hillary Clinton is ahead of Donald Trump by 44-42 percent in a new national Fox News Poll.  That’s a two-point edge among likely voters for Clinton.  She was up by three points last week (43-40 percent) and by one point in mid-September (41-40 percent). 

Third party candidates Gary Johnson (6 percent) and Jill Stein (2 percent) are in single digits. 

In the head-to-head matchup, Clinton tops Trump by 48-44 percent.  It was 49-44 percent last week.  Her lead is within the poll’s margin of error in both the two-way and four-way race.

CLICK TO READ THE FULL POLL RESULTS.

. . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on October 09, 2016, 03:01:56 PM
Hillary Clinton  2 - 9

Donald Trump  7 - 2

Mike Pence  40 - 1

Tim Kaine  50 - 1

Paul Ryan  80 - 1

Bernie Sanders  100 - 1

Joe Biden  175 - 1

John Kasich  475 - 1

Jill Stein  475 - 1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: timfogarty on October 09, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
My prediction: Monday morning the RNC will meet and concede the presidency to Clinton, and focus all resources on the Senate and House.  However, this will piss off the alt-right who will then stay home on election day.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on October 09, 2016, 03:41:49 PM
My prediction: Monday morning the RNC will meet and concede the presidency to Clinton, and focus all resources on the Senate and House.  However, this will piss off the alt-right who will then stay home on election day.

Then they'd better do it quietly.  No way it would be public.

And your gal Hillary had better do a good job.  Bill snuck her in using dirty tricks, and we don't appreciate it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2016, 03:51:10 PM
Like I said in the other thread, I hope Hillary wins. Lets 550% more Muslims enter the country, and they end up stoning your creepy, old ass.

You'll get culturally enriched. You're so fucking tolerant.  :D

Prime has lived in a highly segregated community since the 1970s.

That really is all you need to know.

Like many white liberals they come on places like this to virtue signal and boost their fragile egos but just take a look at where they live and you will see that the demographic makeup is no different than some white Deep South Alabama 1952 neighborhood.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 09, 2016, 10:04:06 PM
Trump paid sexual victims to be used as political props. 




Trump ally paid sexual assault victim critical of Clinton


Source: Chicago tribune

A sexual-assault victim who is critical of Hillary Clinton and who appeared alongside Donald Trump before Sunday night's debate was paid $2,500 by a political action committee founded by Trump ally Roger Stone.

The Arkansas woman, Kathy Shelton, was sexually assaulted at age 12 and was the victim in a 1975 case in which Clinton was appointed to represent her then-41-year-old attacker, Thomas Alfred Taylor. Shelton has accused Clinton of crossing ethical bounds in the case, and over the past few months, Shelton has given TV and video interviews slamming Clinton.

Shelton's case has been extensively cited in conservative media as evidence that Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president, does not have the best interests of women at heart.

The May payment to Shelton by the Committee to Restore America's Greatness PAC, founded by Stone, was described as "contract labor" in campaign finance reports filed with the Federal Election Commission. Asked by The Associated Press about the reason for the payment, Stone said in an email that Shelton "was extensively interviewed on video about her experience with Hillary Clinton and was paid for her time."
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2016, 09:58:52 AM
My prediction: Monday morning the RNC will meet and concede the presidency to Clinton, and focus all resources on the Senate and House.  However, this will piss off the alt-right who will then stay home on election day.

What is the "alt-right"? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2016, 09:59:43 AM
Link to second debate:

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2016, 10:02:49 AM
This kind of meltdown is a clear sign that you are losing or worried about losing.

Clinton’s Foreign Policy Spokesperson to Trump: ‘Go F*** Yourself’
by MONA SALAMA
9 Oct 2016

Hillary’s Clinton foreign policy spokesman had harsh words for Donald Trump on Twitter during the second presidential debate Sunday night.

Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich
hey, @realDonaldTrump – regarding your claim that Captain Khan would be alive if you were president:

go fuck yourself.#debate
3:43 PM - 9 Oct 2016

The harsh tweet from Lehrich was in regards to Trump’s remarks calling Captain Humayun Khan an “American hero” who would still be alive today if he was president because he would have opposed sending American troops into Iraq.

“Captain Kahn is an America hero,” Trump said. “And if I were president at the time, he would be alive today because unlike [Hillary Clinton] who voted for the war without knowing what she was doing, I would not have had our people in Iraq.”

Lehrich later apologized for the “inappropriate” language of the tweet.

Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich
hey, @realDonaldTrump – regarding your claim that Captain Khan would be alive if you were president:

go fuck yourself.#debate

 Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich
I want to apologize for the clearly inappropriate nature and language of this personal tweet. Sorry all.
4:12 PM - 9 Oct 2016

Too bad screen shots are forever.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/09/clintons-foreign-policy-spokesperson-to-trump-go-f-yourself/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2016, 10:04:45 AM
Thought I was seeing things, but I wasn't.  How the heck did she not even flinch?  Must have been pumped with some kind of drug? 

Hillary Clinton Doesn’t React After Fly Lands on Her Face
by CHARLIE SPIERING
9 Oct 2016
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/10/Screen-Shot-2016-10-09-at-11.02.17-PM-640x480.jpg)

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton didn’t instinctively react after a fly landed on her face during the second presidential debate with Republican candidate Donald Trump, as she continued speaking.

The moment immediately created buzz on social media, as the fly flew away shortly after landing.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/09/hillary-clinton-doesnt-flinch-fly-lands-face/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2016, 10:06:03 AM
Up to 72.8 percent. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast

Up to 82.2 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 10, 2016, 02:09:26 PM
Frank Luntz: Tonight Was So Significant That Trump ‘Is Back in This Race’
by Jeff Poor
9 Oct 2016
 
Sunday after the second presidential debate on the Fox News Channel, following a segment featuring responses from a focus group he conducted, pollster Frank Luntz declared that although he had his doubts prior to Sunday’s debate, based his focus group Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump was “back” in the race.

“Megyn, this is the first time of the three debates that there has been any genuine movement,” Luntz said. “And I have to be — I have to acknowledge something here — I thought it was all over for Donald Trump. And when these people walked in here, I was pretty sure of it. Based on their response and I hope to bring some more of it to you in the show, I have to change my mind. I actually think tonight was so significant that he is back in this race.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/10/09/frank-luntz-tonight-was-so-significant-that-trump-is-back-in-this-race/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: 240 is Back on October 10, 2016, 02:16:42 PM
Frank Luntz: Tonight Was So Significant That Trump ‘Is Back in This Race’
by Jeff Poor
9 Oct 2016
 
Sunday after the second presidential debate on the Fox News Channel, following a segment featuring responses from a focus group he conducted, pollster Frank Luntz declared that although he had his doubts prior to Sunday’s debate, based his focus group Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump was “back” in the race.

“Megyn, this is the first time of the three debates that there has been any genuine movement,” Luntz said. “And I have to be — I have to acknowledge something here — I thought it was all over for Donald Trump. And when these people walked in here, I was pretty sure of it. Based on their response and I hope to bring some more of it to you in the show, I have to change my mind. I actually think tonight was so significant that he is back in this race.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/10/09/frank-luntz-tonight-was-so-significant-that-trump-is-back-in-this-race/


He needs the help.  Trump is down 14 points in one poll today.  16.5% chance by 538.com

Trump may lose by 40 states.  That's what I always thought was the plan.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 10, 2016, 10:45:11 PM
C U N T

Why is it when I read many of your posts, I am astounded that you could possibly be intelligent enough to pass the bar or even remotely qualified to practice law. It's no wonder a lot of people think lawyers are lowlifes.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 11, 2016, 02:35:49 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 13, 2016, 12:29:00 PM
Up to 82.2 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis

Up to 87 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 13, 2016, 03:34:13 PM
Fox News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 7 points
By  Dana Blanton 
Published October 13, 2016
FoxNews.com

Hillary Clinton’s lead over Donald Trump has increased to seven points, as more than half of voters say he is not qualified to be president. 

That’s according to a just-released national Fox News Poll of likely voters. 

Clinton receives 45 percent to Trump’s 38 percent.  Libertarian Gary Johnson is at 7 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein gets 3 percent.  Last week, Clinton was up by two points in the four-way contest (44-42 percent). 

In the two-way matchup, it’s Clinton over Trump by eight (49-41 percent).  She had a four-point edge a week ago (48-44 percent, Oct. 3-6). 

Clinton’s lead is outside the poll’s margin of sampling error in both the two-way and four-way contests.

The poll, out Thursday, was conducted Monday-Wednesday.  The second presidential debate was Sunday. On Friday, The Washington Post made public a hot-mic recording of Trump from Access Hollywood.  On the same day, WikiLeaks began its release of hacked emails from the Clinton campaign, revealing more on Monday through Wednesday.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE FULL POLL RESULTS

In the four-way race, Clinton is favored among non-whites (+62 points), suburban women (+24), women (+19), and voters under 30 (+16).  Third party candidates hurt her among younger voters, as about one in four of them go for Johnson or Stein. 

Trump’s the pick for men (+5 points), whites (+14), and whites without a college degree (+25). 

Since last week, the largest declines in support for him are among women ages 45 and over (down 12 points), voters ages 65+ (down 11), suburban women (down 10), white women with a college degree (down 7), GOP women (down 6), and white college graduates (down 6).

Support for Trump among white evangelical Christians held steady at 68 percent.  Typically, however, about three-quarters of white evangelicals vote for the GOP nominee.  Trump’s support among regular church-goers dropped eight points, from 53 to 45 percent.

Independents split, giving 35 percent to each Clinton and Trump, with another 21 percent backing Johnson or Stein.  Trump was up by 12 points among independents in late September.

Eighty-one percent of Democrats back Clinton and 80 percent of Republicans support Trump. 

"If the Republicans are not at rock-bottom, they can certainly see the bottom from where they are," says GOP pollster Daron Shaw, who conducts the Fox News Poll with Democrat Chris Anderson. "If Trump got 90 percent of self-identified Republicans and nothing else -- no Democrats and no independents -- he'd be at 32 percent.”   

Trump’s enthusiasm advantage has evaporated: 70 percent of his backers “strongly” supported him last week.  That’s 63 percent now.  For Clinton, it’s 66 percent, up from 57 percent. 

Yet the number of Republicans satisfied with Trump as their nominee is mostly unchanged:  48 percent are happy with him at the top of the ticket vs. 52 percent a month ago.

Among Democrats, 54 percent are happy with Clinton, while 38 percent still wish it were Bernie Sanders.

Overall, 64 percent believe Clinton has the right temperament to serve effectively and 68 percent say she’s qualified to be president. 

It’s the opposite for Trump, as 63 percent think he lacks the temperament and 56 percent say he isn’t qualified.  For 49 percent, he is “not at all” qualified. 

Are the candidates good role models for children?  Voters say Clinton is (54 yes vs. 43 no).  And Trump is not (20 yes vs. 77 no). 

Thirty-three percent say Clinton is honest and trustworthy.  For Trump, it’s 32 percent.  That’s a four-point drop for him since last week. 

“Put simply, the last week has been a disaster for Trump,” says Anderson.  “And more than ever, voters think he lacks the temperament and qualifications to be president.”

Trump’s personal ratings also took a hit, while Clinton’s improved.  More voters view her negatively than positively by five points (47 favorable vs. 52 unfavorable).  Last week she was underwater by nine.  Trump’s rating stands at negative 23 (38 favorable vs. 61 unfavorable).  That’s eight points more negative today, as he was underwater by 15 a week ago.

Among Republicans, his favorable rating dropped 11 points, from 84 percent to 73 percent.

Clinton now tops Trump on every issue tested.  More voters trust her to handle foreign policy (+24 points), health care (+13), terrorism (+11), immigration (+9), and the economy (+3).  For the past month, Trump had been the choice on the economy, and the two were about evenly matched on terrorism.

Clinton is preferred to handle health care despite nearly half wanting to get rid of President Obama’s signature law.  Forty-nine percent of registered voters want to repeal Obamacare vs. 45 percent who prefer to keep it in place.  That’s a more positive rating for the law than the last time the Fox News Poll asked in December 2014.  Then it was 58 percent repeal and 38 percent keep.

Meanwhile, a growing number expect another President Clinton. Sixty-five percent think she’ll win in November.  That’s 10 points higher than last week (55 percent) -- and 19 higher than June (46 percent).  Some 23 percent think Trump will win.

Americans head to the polls in an even worse mood than four years ago.  In October 2012, 53 percent of registered voters were dissatisfied with how things were going in the country.  Now, 59 percent are dissatisfied. 

Even so, 56 percent approve of the job Barack Obama is doing as president.  That’s up from 52 percent a week ago -- and a record high for his second term.  Moreover, his approval has been 48 percent or better since February. 

Pollpourri

Trump’s video troubles and subsequent attacks on GOP leaders are hurting the party.  One indication is more registered voters now consider themselves a Democrat than a Republican -- by nine points (44-35 percent), compared to by four points last week (41-37 percent).

Democrats usually hold an advantage over Republicans nationally in party identification, and this year self-identified Democrats have outnumbered self-identified Republicans by an average of three percentage points in Fox News polls.

The poll asks likely voters to choose between the Democratic and Republican candidates in their Congressional district and finds Democrats up by six points, 48-42 percent.  Democrats were up by just one at the end of September (44-43 percent).

"The Democrats are now prohibitive favorites to win the presidency, favorites to take the Senate, and it is no longer unthinkable that they could challenge in the House," says Shaw.

Endorsing Trump is still a net positive for Congressional candidates: 27 percent of Republicans say they are more likely to vote for a Congressional candidate who refuses to endorse Trump, yet more -- 39 percent -- say they are less likely to do so. 

No matter who wins, voters are concerned scandals will have a “serious effect” on the administration:  66 percent are worried about scandals in a Clinton administration and 63 percent if it’s Trump.  More Democrats (54 percent) are concerned about scandals in a Clinton White House than Republicans are about a Trump administration (41 percent).

Forty-eight percent of voters familiar with the video of Trump’s vulgar remarks say it’s a deal breaker for them.  Fifteen percent of Republicans and 40 percent of independents also feel that way.

For comparison, 37 percent of voters familiar with Clinton’s leaked emails say transcripts of her speeches to big Wall Street donors are a deal breaker.  That includes 11 percent of Democrats and 17 percent of Sanders supporters. 

Trump’s attacks on how Clinton has handled her husband’s past controversies with women aren’t sticking.  Seventy-two percent think Clinton “stands up” for women.  Thirty-eight percent say Trump “respects” women.

The Fox News Poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,006 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from October 10-12, 2016.  The survey includes results among 917 likely voters.  The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for results among both registered and likely voters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/13/fox-news-poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-7-points.html#
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 13, 2016, 03:45:30 PM
WSJ/NBC Poll: Clinton Leads NC by 4, Trump Leads Ohio by 1
By Greg Richter   |    Thursday, 13 Oct 2016

Democrat Hillary Clinton leads North Carolina by 4 points, while Republican Donald Trump is ahead by 1 in the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News/Marist poll of likely voters.

Libertarian Gary Johnson could play a pivotal role in both battleground states. He polled 9 percent in both states and has a large percentage of young voters, who usually go for Democrats.

Here are the numbers:

North Carolina:
1.Clinton: 45 percent
2.Trump: 41 percent

Ohio:
1.Trump: 42 percent
2.Clinton: 41 percent

Both states are vital to Trump, who is trailing in Electoral College projections if the election were held today.

The poll was conducted Monday-Wednesday, starting after the second debate Sunday and after an audio recording from 2005 was released Friday in which Trump is heard talking about women in crude sexual terms.
 
The poll showed incumbent North Carolina Republican Sen. Richard Burr Democrat Deborah Ross tied at 46 percent, and incumbent Ohio Republican Sen. Rob Portman with a 55 percent to 37 percent lead over Democrat Ted Strickland.

The poll surveyed 724 likely voters in Ohio and 743 likely voters in North Carolina. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Donald-Trump-Hillary-Clinton-poll-North-Carolina/2016/10/13/id/753291/#ixzz4N0YdfBlD
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2016, 12:48:29 PM
CNN Polls: Trump Besting Clinton in Ohio; 2 Battlegrounds Hotly Contested
Trump (Photo by Kena Betancur/Getty Images)
By Mark Swanson   |    Monday, 17 Oct 2016

Donald Trump has a 4-point lead over Hillary Clinton in Ohio, and the nominees are locked in tightly contested races in 2 other battleground states, according to the latest CNN/ORC polls released Monday.

The results of likely voters:

Ohio:
•Trump: 48 percent;
•Clinton: 44 percent;
•Gary Johnson/Jill Stein: 10 percent.

Nevada:
•Clinton: 46 percent;
•Trump: 44 percent;
•Gary Johnson/Jill Stein: 9 percent.

North Carolina:
•Clinton: 48 percent;
•Trump: 47 percent;
•Gary Johnson/Jill Stein: 5 percent.

Ohio breaks from Nevada and North Carolina in 2 distinct ways — women voters and college-educated whites.

In Ohio, Clinton holds a narrow overall lead among women but trails Trump by 14 points with married women, 54 percent to 40 percent.

Meanwhile, Clinton owns 15- and 11-point leads with women in both Nevada and North Carolina, including married women.
 
In Ohio, Clinton leads with college-educated whites by just 4 points.

Whereas, in Nevada, Clinton has an 8-point lead and in North Carolina a 22-point lead with college-educated whites.

Mitt Romney defeated Barack Obama among college-educated whites in all 3 of these states in 2012, according to CNN.

The CNN/ORC polls were conducted from Oct. 10-15. In Nevada, interviews were conducted with 1,006 adults, including 862 registered voters and 698 likely voters. In North Carolina, the 1,025 adults interviewed included 929 registered voters and 788 likely voters. And in Ohio, interviews with 1,009 adults included 890 registered voters and 774 likely voters.

Results for likely voters in each state have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points, it is 3.5 points for registered voters in Nevada and Ohio, and 3 points for registered voters in North Carolina.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-hillary-ohio-nevada/2016/10/17/id/753836/#ixzz4NNDdZzdK
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2016, 12:49:28 PM
Up to 87 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis

Up to 88 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 18, 2016, 02:45:00 PM
Poll: Clinton Ahead in Enough Swing States to Win
By Greg Richter   |    Tuesday, 18 Oct 2016

Democrat Hillary Clinton leads in enough swing states to win the presidency if the election were held today, according to a new Washington Post/Survey Monkey poll.

The Post looked at 15 battleground states and added the electoral votes of other states considered safe Democrat or Republican.

A total of 270 electoral votes are needed to win the White House. According to the survey, Clinton would have 304 electoral votes to Republican Donald Trump's 138.
 
Among the 15 states looked at, Clinton leads Trump in New Hampshire, Virginia, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Colorado, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump leads in Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, Ohio and Texas.

Though Trump is ahead in the Survey Monkey poll in Florida and Ohio, both seen as vital for a Republican victory, it would not be enough to put him over the top if the election were held today.

The poll also looked at Senate and governors' races in the 15 states and found those Republicans were typically outperforming Trump in those states. Many in the GOP have distanced themselves from Trump in recent weeks over comments he made about women in 2005 and after several woman have publicly accused him of acting inappropriately toward them over the years.

Trump has denied all the claims, calling them part of a coordinated Democrat and media effort to rig the election against him.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/poll-swing-states-Hillary-Clinton/2016/10/18/id/754118/#ixzz4NTXumLjt
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 19, 2016, 03:17:30 PM
Rasmussen: Trump Tied With Clinton
By Ritika Gupta   |    Wednesday, 19 Oct 2016

With less than three weeks to go for Election Day, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are tied in the latest Rasmussen Reports poll released Wednesday.

The breakdown of the survey's results find that almost one-in-10 voters are still looking beyond the top four candidates:

•Clinton: 42 percent;
•Trump: 42 percent;
•Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson: 7 percent;
•Green Party candidate Jill Stein: 1 percent;
•Some other candidate: 3 percent;
•Undecided: 6 percent.

Clinton had a broad 18-point lead over Trump among women voters, the survey showed. It further revealed that the former first lady was ahead of the Republican nominee among women of all age groups.

Tuesday's polls saw Clinton and Trump almost neck-and-neck — 42 percent to 41 percent.

A sizeable 84 percent of respondents are sure about how they will vote, with both candidates getting equal preference (47 percent).

However, among voters who are likely to change their minds:
•Clinton: 35 percent;
•Trump: 34 percent;
•Johnson: 27 percent;
•Stein: 4 percent.

Both Clinton and Trump have been battling controversies. While Trump's support took a slight plunge after a 2005 video tape of the billionaire businessman surfaced of him making lewd comments about women, Clinton too is in the limelight over email revelations from WikiLeaks.

Both the candidates have their third and final presidential debate Wednesday in Las Vegas.

The survey which was conducted between Oct. 16 and 18 interviewed 1,500 Likely Voters. The margin of sampling error was +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Rasmussen-Trump-Clinton-Tied/2016/10/19/id/754232/#ixzz4NZWJcfxP
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 19, 2016, 03:23:08 PM
I'm in NYC. Whenever a radio station news report mentions a poll, it's always the one that has Hillary winning by the widest margin. Ya think this is an accident?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 19, 2016, 04:00:47 PM
I'm in NYC. Whenever a radio station news report mentions a poll, it's always the one that has Hillary winning by the widest margin. Ya think this is an accident?

I think....what's the point? Ultimately, it matters not which polls anyone choose to believe, the person who gets to most electoral votes on Tuesday November 8th wins the Presidency.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 19, 2016, 04:00:58 PM
I'm in NYC. Whenever a radio station news report mentions a poll, it's always the one that has Hillary winning by the widest margin. Ya think this is an accident?

Nope.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 19, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
 :o

Trump Leads Clinton By 1 Point Going Into Debate — IBD/TIPP Poll

JOHN MERLINE

(http://www.investors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/101916_IBDTIPP_Poll.jpg)

After more than a week of blistering attacks from Democrats, celebrities and the press, Donald Trump has managed to pull ahead of Hillary Clinton by a 1.3 percentage point margin — 41.3% to 40% — in a four-way matchup, according to the new IBD/TIPP poll released today.

Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson got 7.6% and Green Party candidate Jill Stein got 5.5%. The results are the first in the IBD/TIPP presidential tracking poll. Daily updates start Thursday and will continue until the election.

. . . .

http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-leads-clinton-by-one-point-going-into-debate-in-ibdtipp-tracking-poll/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 19, 2016, 04:16:29 PM
I think....what's the point?

The point is that the MSM is using polls to discourage voters from voting against their candidate.

Quote
Ultimately, it matters not which polls anyone choose to believe, the person who gets to most electoral votes on Tuesday November 8th wins the Presidency.

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on October 19, 2016, 04:35:09 PM
:o

Trump Leads Clinton By 1 Point Going Into Debate — IBD/TIPP Poll

JOHN MERLINE

(http://www.investors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/101916_IBDTIPP_Poll.jpg)

After more than a week of blistering attacks from Democrats, celebrities and the press, Donald Trump has managed to pull ahead of Hillary Clinton by a 1.3 percentage point margin — 41.3% to 40% — in a four-way matchup, according to the new IBD/TIPP poll released today.

Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson got 7.6% and Green Party candidate Jill Stein got 5.5%. The results are the first in the IBD/TIPP presidential tracking poll. Daily updates start Thursday and will continue until the election.

. . . .

http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-leads-clinton-by-one-point-going-into-debate-in-ibdtipp-tracking-poll/


Reminiscent of Reagan in 80.

Wasn't he down til the very end and then started to surge?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 19, 2016, 04:37:50 PM
Reminiscent of Reagan in 80.

Wasn't he down til the very end and then started to surge?

Yes, although I wouldn't compare Trump to Reagan. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on October 19, 2016, 04:37:59 PM
Reminiscent of Reagan in 80.

Wasn't he down til the very end and then started to surge?

Not a bit.

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 19, 2016, 04:39:23 PM
The point is that the MSM is using polls to discourage voters from voting against their candidate.


Isn't it unfortunate that some folks can't think for themselves? -Sheep, all of them. This is almost as dumb as not voting and then complaining about the end results.

Just for the record, I'll be voting for HRC, not that this is any big revelation since most of you figured this out already. IMO, Trump claims he offers change with nothing to back that up. Ignorance isn't an attribute anyone should want in a president. He is politically clueless, emotionally unstable, and worst of all, a megalomaniac. If HRC lies, at least she is intelligent enough to understand what she is lying about.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 19, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
Isn't it unfortunate that some folks can't think for themselves? -Sheep, all of them. This is almost as dumb as not voting and then complaining about the end results.

Just for the record, I'll be voting for HRC, not that this is any big revelation since most of you figured this out already. IMO, Trump claims he offers change with nothing to back that up. Ignorance isn't an attribute anyone should want in a president. He is politically clueless, emotionally unstable, and worst of all, a megalomaniac. If HRC lies, at least she is intelligent enough to understand what she is lying about.

One would think an enlightened progressive like you would be a bit disturbed that the media in this country is no different than the Pravda in the old Soviet Union.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 19, 2016, 04:53:46 PM
One would think an enlightened progressive like you would be a bit disturbed that the media in this country is no different than the Pravda in the old Soviet Union.

I try not to fret too much about things over which I have no control. I cannot control other people's opinions, like yours here. Actually, I respect other folk's right to an opinion, even when I disagree with it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 19, 2016, 05:48:47 PM
Not a bit.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8o91ks4ix_ZEw96GfYdf-AI5Mu1I4zqH1Xf4vfMW1yJXw-WbK_LqkhePM8rp_Fy87Umohb5czMwjbLE8O6i_WwrM_H4xfIE-KUwNf1ajpJxOM7zx9cT69xDsVJKmGmSNG-xOVMU0)

Reagan trailed Carter in October 1980.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections#United_States_presidential_election.2C_1980
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on October 19, 2016, 05:50:53 PM
Reagan trailed Carter in October 1980.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections#United_States_presidential_election.2C_1980

Just saying, this is what it looks like from the polls at the time.

From that Wikipedia article.

 The continuing hostage crisis and the poor economy hurt Carter, and the prospect John B. Anderson running as an independent appealed to around 20% of Americans who saw Carter as a lesser evil to Reagan. As a result, Anderson took a third of Carter's support in the spring, but did not seem to hurt Reagan, despite Anderson being a Republican. Carter would never recover this loss of support, while Reagan would end up peeling around two-thirds of initial Anderson voters. This race remained close until near the end, when Reagan asked Americans if they were better off than they were four years ago. Afterwards Reagan managed to win a huge landslide victory in the general election.[15]
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 19, 2016, 05:54:02 PM
Just saying, this is what it looks like from the polls at the time.

From that Wikipedia article.

 The continuing hostage crisis and the poor economy hurt Carter, and the prospect John B. Anderson running as an independent appealed to around 20% of Americans who saw Carter as a lesser evil to Reagan. As a result, Anderson took a third of Carter's support in the spring, but did not seem to hurt Reagan, despite Anderson being a Republican. Carter would never recover this loss of support, while Reagan would end up peeling around two-thirds of initial Anderson voters. This race remained close until near the end, when Reagan asked Americans if they were better off than they were four years ago. Afterwards Reagan managed to win a huge landslide victory in the general election.[15]

Anderson's support was down to 8-9 percent by October/November. 

Regardless, Trump is no Reagan, so I'm not sure it's a reliable comparison anyway. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on October 20, 2016, 08:29:09 AM
Not a bit.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8o91ks4ix_ZEw96GfYdf-AI5Mu1I4zqH1Xf4vfMW1yJXw-WbK_LqkhePM8rp_Fy87Umohb5czMwjbLE8O6i_WwrM_H4xfIE-KUwNf1ajpJxOM7zx9cT69xDsVJKmGmSNG-xOVMU0)

Go run off and play your Nintendo or something.

Leave us be. The adults are speaking.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on October 20, 2016, 08:36:48 AM
Go run off and play your Nintendo or something.

Leave us be. The adults are speaking.

I will play my Nintendo. My PS4 and my Xbox One and my PC too.

Are you offended by the graph?   I didn't make it, I believe it's from Nate Silver's site.

Why does presenting a graph make me not an adult? Are you upset I haven't sent you a battlefield 1 code?

You only need to ask.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 20, 2016, 08:43:44 AM
Nate Silver is an ugly piece of shit. And I'd gladly go to jail for some time just to beat the ever living shit out of his smug little face.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on October 20, 2016, 08:45:30 AM
Nate Silver is an ugly piece of shit. And I'd gladly go to jail for some time just to beat the ever living shit out of his smug little face.

That may be true, but are the numbers wrong?

I was like 5 during that election, so I certainly have no basis to say that the "feel" of the campaign was one way or the other.

I can only find data.

Data > opinion.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 20, 2016, 08:45:54 AM
‘Ronald’ Trump: Why 2016 Is Looking a Lot Like 1980

"But the truth is that in real time in 1980, Reagan was seen as the outside antiestablishment candidate. He was also seen as less than a serious contender, even when it looked like....


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/24/ronald-trump-why-2016-is-looking-a-lot-like-1980.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 20, 2016, 08:47:20 AM
That may be true, but are the numbers wrong?

I was like 5 during that election, so I certainly have no basis to say that the "feel" of the campaign was one way or the other.

I can only find data.

Data > opinion.

Nate Silver manipulates data to make it fit his opinions.

"we're going to add +2 to Clinton's numbers because xyz..."
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 20, 2016, 08:48:26 AM
Reagan was 6% down in October 1980, and won by a landslide!


October 1980

Carter 45%
Reagan 39%




Election Results:

Carter 41%
Reagan 51%

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/ElectoralCollege1980.svg/349px-ElectoralCollege1980.svg.png)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections#United_States_presidential_election.2C_1980
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on October 20, 2016, 08:49:27 AM
I posted this before.

Everyone ignored it.

The continuing hostage crisis and the poor economy hurt Carter, and the prospect John B. Anderson running as an independent appealed to around 20% of Americans who saw Carter as a lesser evil to Reagan. As a result, Anderson took a third of Carter's support in the spring, but did not seem to hurt Reagan, despite Anderson being a Republican. Carter would never recover this loss of support, while Reagan would end up peeling around two-thirds of initial Anderson voters.

Does this exist in today's election?

I contend the circumstances are not the same as 1980.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 20, 2016, 08:50:59 AM
I posted this before.

Everyone ignored it.

The continuing hostage crisis and the poor economy hurt Carter, and the prospect John B. Anderson running as an independent appealed to around 20% of Americans who saw Carter as a lesser evil to Reagan. As a result, Anderson took a third of Carter's support in the spring, but did not seem to hurt Reagan, despite Anderson being a Republican. Carter would never recover this loss of support, while Reagan would end up peeling around two-thirds of initial Anderson voters.

Does this exist in today's election?

I contend the circumstances are not the same as 1980.


The fact is Reagan was down by 6% at one month out.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on October 20, 2016, 08:51:06 AM
I will play my Nintendo. My PS4 and my Xbox One and my PC too.

Are you offended by the graph?   I didn't make it, I believe it's from Nate Silver's site.

Why does presenting a graph make me not an adult? Are you upset I haven't sent you a battlefield 1 code?

You only need to ask.

And there again just like I was telling 240....a tightening race with the Republican eventually pulling away after a strong final debate performance.

"Not a bit"?

No similarities whatsoever?

And I pretty much hold onto every bit of video game knowledge you've posted on here like it's Gospel even though I don't play a tenth as much as I did in my teens. Usually I'll get hyped up big time for a new, highly rated game, spend a couple weeks on it then it begins to collect dust.

It's still interesting to read about all the improvements and current trends in the industry.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on October 20, 2016, 08:54:39 AM
The fact is Reagan was down by 6% at one month out.

Is that true?

In how many polls?

One? Two? Ten?

The graph I showed has the outlier but it shows median was higher for Reagan. That's all I'm saying. If it ends up like 1980, more power to you, but I don't see the situation as similar.

And there again just like I was telling 240....a tightening race with the Republican eventually pulling away after a strong final debate performance.

"Not a bit"?

No similarities whatsoever?

And I pretty much hold onto every bit of video game knowledge you've posted on here like it's Gospel even though I don't play a tenth as much as I did in my teens. Usually I'll get hyped up big time for a new, highly rated game, spend a couple weeks on it then it begins to collect dust.

It's still interesting to read about all the improvements and current trends in the industry.


The difference the high amount of support that the 3rd party took away and then gave back to Reagan.

I'm saying that from an overall election, they are not the same.

The graph shows what it shows.

Is it a lie?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on October 20, 2016, 09:18:11 AM
Is that true?

In how many polls?

One? Two? Ten?

The graph I showed has the outlier but it shows median was higher for Reagan. That's all I'm saying. If it ends up like 1980, more power to you, but I don't see the situation as similar.

The difference the high amount of support that the 3rd party took away and then gave back to Reagan.

I'm saying that from an overall election, they are not the same.

The graph shows what it shows.

Is it a lie?

Well since you seem dead set on over analyzing my offhanded comment...

I simply stated that Trump's campaign was "reminiscent of Reagan in 1980"

reminiscent definition = adj. awaking memories of something similar

There is similarity. Eccentric Republican candidate polls closely until a strong final debate then pulls away.

Then you come in from out of nowhere like a wannabe hardass...."Not at all"   ::)

I realize gamers are notorious for ingesting massive amounts of adrenaline fatiguing liquids such as Mountain Dew during marathon sessions which can make you a little cantankerous at times but seriously bro, you need to calm down.  :D

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 20, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-poll/trump-holds-on-to-1-point-lead-as-debate-sparks-fly/ (http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-poll/trump-holds-on-to-1-point-lead-as-debate-sparks-fly/)

One of the most accurate polls from last election.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on October 20, 2016, 09:43:37 AM
Bunch of shifty micks at Paddy Power have already paid on Hillary.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TuHolmes on October 20, 2016, 10:00:38 AM
Well since you seem dead set on over analyzing my offhanded comment...

I simply stated that Trump's campaign was "reminiscent of Reagan in 1980"

reminiscent definition = adj. awaking memories of something similar

There is similarity. Eccentric Republican candidate polls closely until a strong final debate then pulls away.

Then you come in from out of nowhere like a wannabe hardass...."Not at all"   ::)

I realize gamers are notorious for ingesting massive amounts of adrenaline fatiguing liquids such as Mountain Dew during marathon sessions which can make you a little cantankerous at times but seriously bro, you need to calm down.  :D



First, let me say that I'm sorry for the inference that I was trying to be a hard ass... I was not.

So for that, if you took it negatively, I sincerely apologize, it was not my intent.

I was just showing where the polling numbers did not equate to the similarity in my mind. According to the poll averages on the days in question, if they are accurate, show where Reagan had a huge bump after his convention and Carter "didn't recover".

I do not feel that I am overly (or even a little) excited about this election.
As I've said before, I was so young in 1980 that I certainly do not know anything about the tone of the election at the time, nor do I claim to have a grasp of it.

I am just using the data I see.
If the data has been manipulated, then that's sad.

My candidate will surely not win, but if we can make some strides into breaking the two party system, I will, at that point, be overjoyed.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 20, 2016, 11:59:46 AM
Link to third debate:

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on October 20, 2016, 05:27:18 PM
First, let me say that I'm sorry for the inference that I was trying to be a hard ass... I was not.

So for that, if you took it negatively, I sincerely apologize, it was not my intent.

I was just showing where the polling numbers did not equate to the similarity in my mind. According to the poll averages on the days in question, if they are accurate, show where Reagan had a huge bump after his convention and Carter "didn't recover".

I do not feel that I am overly (or even a little) excited about this election.
As I've said before, I was so young in 1980 that I certainly do not know anything about the tone of the election at the time, nor do I claim to have a grasp of it.

I am just using the data I see.
If the data has been manipulated, then that's sad.

My candidate will surely not win, but if we can make some strides into breaking the two party system, I will, at that point, be overjoyed.



No I totally understand.

This election has gotten me totally stressed out myself.

Find myself attacking bros on here I genuinely admire on here at times.

The sooner November 8th can be over with the better!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 20, 2016, 05:30:38 PM
November 9 is going to be a dark day in America.  One one hand, if Hillary wins the millions of irredeemable deplorables are going to be ready to revolt.  On the other hand, if Hillary wins the millions of Trump haters will be frothing at the mouth (even more than they are now).  Either way, further divisiveness and polarization is coming.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 20, 2016, 06:06:31 PM
Nate Silver is an ugly piece of shit. And I'd gladly go to jail for some time just to beat the ever living shit out of his smug little face.

Has it ever occurred to you that you are a big talker, sort of like Trump.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 20, 2016, 06:10:18 PM
And there again just like I was telling 240....a tightening race with the Republican eventually pulling away after a strong final debate performance.

"Not a bit"?

No similarities whatsoever?

And I pretty much hold onto every bit of video game knowledge you've posted on here like it's Gospel even though I don't play a tenth as much as I did in my teens. Usually I'll get hyped up big time for a new, highly rated game, spend a couple weeks on it then it begins to collect dust.

It's still interesting to read about all the improvements and current trends in the industry.



Where or not Trump's debate performance was strong is debatable. There are many who disagree with this line of thinking.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 20, 2016, 06:14:08 PM
November 9 is going to be a dark day in America.  One one hand, if Hillary wins the millions of irredeemable deplorables are going to be ready to revolt.  On the other hand, if Hillary wins the millions of Trump haters will be frothing at the mouth (even more than they are now).  Either way, further divisiveness and polarization is coming.   

Too much doom and gloom. This election is a total circus. Usually people feel pretty "up" after the circus.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 20, 2016, 08:43:24 PM
Too much doom and gloom. This election is a total circus. Usually people feel pretty "up" after the circus.

I don't see how Hillary and/or Trump voters (depending on who wins) are going to feel "up."  I will be very surprised if those supporters embrace the winner. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 20, 2016, 11:47:05 PM
I don't see how Hillary and/or Trump voters (depending on who wins) are going to feel "up."  I will be very surprised if those supporters embrace the winner. 

F no.  Hillary needs to go prison. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 21, 2016, 03:01:42 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 23, 2016, 10:24:10 AM


Is it usual for the speaker to be booed at a roast? Seems there was very little laughter, mostly silence and occasional booing, especially following his Catholic reference.  At least he followed the script, reading every word of it, rarely looking up at the audience.

Here is the way to speak at a debate. The audience seems to appreciate HRC's comments with frequent applause.


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 24, 2016, 03:47:58 PM
Professor With History of Correctly Predicting Election Says Trump Will Win
By Brian Freeman   |    Monday, 24 Oct 2016

Despite the overwhelming consensus of pollsters and pundits that Democratic contender Hillary Clinton will win the election, one academic with a history of correctly predicting the past five presidential elections insisted to Fox News that Donald Trump will triumph Nov. 8.

Stony Brook University Professor Helmut Norpoth said he uses two models for his prediction, the first of which is the Primary Model, as "it usually turns out the candidate who does better in his party's primaries or her party's primaries beats the other guy who does less well."

In his website, Primary Model, Norpoth explains he used the primary races in South Carolina and New Hampshire, where Trump won and performed better than Clinton did in the Democratic race, because the results in the early primaries are the best indicators for the general election.

The second model, he explains, is called the Swing of the Pendulum, which he told "Fox & Friends" program "is the tendency after two terms of a White House party being in office that there is a change . . . which gives a prediction that Republicans are favored this year."

Norpoth is so convinced by his models he has backed up his prediction by buying shares in Trump in the Iowa Electronic Markets.

However, not all are convinced by his methods. As pointed out in Quora, the current social and economic context is quite different from earlier elections, and it is usually unwise to rely only on one predictive model, as opposed to synthesizing results from several different models.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Professor-History-Election-Prediction/2016/10/24/id/755027/#ixzz4O2srsP9R
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 24, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
Clinton leads by 5 heading in to final two weeks
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Mon October 24, 2016

(CNN) — Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 5 points as the presidential campaign heads into its final two weeks, with the Democratic nominee's support just shy of the 50% mark, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

Among likely voters, Clinton tops Trump 49% to 44%, with just 3% backing Libertarian Gary Johnson and 2% behind Green Party nominee Jill Stein.

With all three presidential debates now in the rear view mirror, both candidates appear to have consolidated some support among their core supporters. Clinton has expanded her edge among younger voters and non-whites, while Trump has boosted his support among the whites without college degrees who make up the majority of his supporters.

Read the complete CNN/ORC poll results

Clinton now stands at 53% among voters under age 45, compared with 47% in the previous CNN/ORC poll. In fact, the only age group where Clinton currently trails Trump is among those age 50-64, who back Trump by 4 points in this poll.

Clinton's support has also ticked up a few points among non-whites (72% back her now vs. 69% in a poll conducted just after the first debate, not a large enough change to be significant, but edges her margin over Trump among this group above 50 points).

Trump has gained a bit among white voters, edging up to 54% in the new poll from 49% support in the last poll. That gain is centered largely among white non-college voters, who break for Trump by a 62% to 32% margin, while white college grads continue to lean in Clinton's direction, favoring the former secretary of state by 11 points.

Trump backers are almost twice as likely as Clinton backers to consider illegal immigration a critical issue to their vote (52% among Trump supporters vs. 23% among Clinton backers), and are more apt to see terrorism (66% to 49%), Supreme Court nominations (58% to 46%), taxes (46% to 34%) and trade with other countries (40% to 29%) as extremely important than are Clinton supporters. Those voters backing Clinton are nearly four times as likely as Trump supporters to consider climate change a key issue (46% to 12%), and they are also more apt to prioritize health care (53% to 48%) and education (55% to 42%).

More broadly, Clinton is more often seen as having a clear vision for the country's future (49% to 42%), perhaps connected to a perception that she did a better job in the debates (61% to 29%).

Clinton also holds wide leads on having the better temperament to serve effectively as president (61% to 32%), being better able to handle the responsibilities of commander in chief (55% to 40%), and as a person you admire (42% Clinton to 29% Trump, though nearly 3-in-10, 28%, say they feel neither is a person they admire). The two are almost even on who is the stronger and more decisive leader, 48% say Clinton, 46% Trump.

The poll also shows Clinton narrowing the gap on honesty and trustworthiness, an issue where she trailed Trump by nearly 20 points among likely voters in early September. Now, 43% see Trump as more honest and trustworthy, 42% Clinton, a statistically insignificant gap. Still, 14% of likely voters say they see neither candidate as honest, a share that has held steady over that time.

Both continue to hold favorability ratings that tilt negative, with 52% holding an unfavorable view of Clinton and 57% a negative impression of Trump. About 6-in-10 likely voters say that recent controversies around each candidate raise questions about their character and ability to serve as president, with 62% saying that the way Clinton handled her email while serving as secretary of state raises those issues, while 59% say the same about the way Trump treats women.

The CNN/ORC Poll was conducted by telephone October 20-23 among a random national sample of 1,017 adults, including 779 who were determined to be likely voters. The margin of sampling error for results among the sample of likely voters is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/24/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 24, 2016, 05:45:49 PM
The above two posts are interesting. One thing the "professor" isn't considering is the impact of Trump's self destruction, especially in the last month or so. He's always been an outlier, but maybe he's alienated too many people to garner enough support at the polls (voting polls), not the predictive polls. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: JackScribber on October 24, 2016, 05:57:21 PM
Exciting times. In just over a month we're going to have the first female president of the USA.

Just think about it, we're living in a time where arguably the 3 greatest super powers in the world, Germany, UK and USA are all run by women!

Exciting times indeed!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Nick Danger on October 24, 2016, 06:17:12 PM
Exciting times. In just over a month we're going to have the first female president of the USA.

Just think about it, we're living in a time where arguably the 3 greatest super powers in the world, Germany, UK and USA are all run by women!

Exciting times indeed!

Just over a month? I guess you mean November 28th.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 24, 2016, 06:19:15 PM
Exciting times. In just over a month we're going to have the first female president of the USA.

Just think about it, we're living in a time where arguably the 3 greatest super powers in the world, Germany, UK and USA are all run by women!

Exciting times indeed!

And as HRC put it at the recent Roast, if she wins she will be the youngest U.S. woman president in history.....being that she will also be the first.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 24, 2016, 06:22:02 PM
Just over a month? I guess you mean November 28th.

Actually, HRC won't be inaugurated until January 20th, 2017. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: JackScribber on October 24, 2016, 07:12:04 PM
Actually, HRC won't be inaugurated until January 20th, 2017. 

Yep, fair point.

Although I'll take whatever odds that Trump will announce his new media empire before Hillary's inauguration.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 24, 2016, 07:13:16 PM
And as HRC put it at the recent Roast, if she wins she will be the youngest U.S. woman president in history.....being that she will also be the first.

Who gives a flying crap ?  Honestly.   All this tokenism is for morons.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: JackScribber on October 24, 2016, 07:26:02 PM
Who gives a flying crap ?  Honestly.   All this tokenism is for morons.

Didn't you vote Obama during his first election?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 24, 2016, 08:18:44 PM
Didn't you vote Obama during his first election?

F no.  I voted for Palin.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 25, 2016, 08:14:11 AM
 >:(
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 25, 2016, 08:30:42 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 25, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 26, 2016, 08:11:07 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 27, 2016, 02:34:09 AM
(https://i.redd.it/0h1br9vy3utx.jpg)

Love it! After over 30 years in public service HRC, has an impressive machine supporting her both leading up to election day and after. How effective it will be if congress is dominated by Republican's remains to be seen.

-Looks like Trump is waiting to be crushed in the cartoon.....does this reflect how he feels just two weeks before election day?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 27, 2016, 02:52:25 AM
Love it! After over 30 years in public service HRC, has an impressive machine supporting her both leading up to election day and after. How effective it will be if congress is dominated by Republican's remains to be seen.

-Looks like Trump is waiting to be crushed in the cartoon.....does this reflect how he feels just two weeks before election day?

"impressive" isn't the word that most would use to describe the Clinton Machine.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on October 27, 2016, 03:51:46 AM
"impressive" isn't the word that most would use to describe the Clinton Machine.

Perhaps you are correct and perhaps not. It is nearly impossible to factually know what "most" other people say, let alone how other people think. Some people go with the flow in order to avoid political disagreements. There is nothing preventing people from fibbing or changing their mind from what they say and what they actually believe.

As is often pointed out here, polls are not infallible for the very reason mentioned above. That is why it is correct to say anything can change on election day.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 27, 2016, 06:32:56 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 27, 2016, 06:57:51 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 27, 2016, 07:00:06 AM
Former FBI DIRECTOR ENDORSES TRUMP DESPISES CLINTON


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
Fox News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by three points
By  Dana Blanton 
Published October 26, 2016
FoxNews.com

With less than two weeks to go, the race for the White House has narrowed as Hillary Clinton now has a three-point advantage over Donald Trump.

That’s within the margin of error of the national Fox News Poll of likely voters.

Clinton is ahead of Trump by 44-41 percent.  Another one-in-ten back a third-party candidate and four percent are undecided.  Last week she was up by six points (45-39 percent) and before that by seven (45-38 percent). 

The poll, released Wednesday, finds Clinton leads 49-44 percent in the head-to-head matchup.  That 5-point advantage is at the edge of the error margin.  She was up 7 a week ago (49-42 percent).

CLICK HERE TO READ THE FULL POLL RESULTS.

Trump is helped by increased backing among independents and greater strength of support: 68 percent of those backing Trump support him “strongly,” compared to 61 percent for Clinton. 

Independents favor Trump over Clinton by 13 points (41-28 percent).  He had a 7-point advantage last week, and two weeks ago they were tied at 35 percent each.  Third-party candidates play a role here, as Gary Johnson (14 percent) and Jill Stein (7 percent) receive the combined support of more than one-in-five independents.

In the four-way race, Trump leads among whites (+14 points) and men (+5), although his best groups remain white evangelical Christians (+56) and whites without a college degree (+28).

Clinton has commanding leads among blacks (+77 points), unmarried women (+27), voters under 30 (+18), and women (+10).  First-time voters are also more likely to back her (+16). 

The candidates garner almost equal backing among the party faithful:  83 percent of Democrats back Clinton, while 81 percent of Republicans support Trump.   

“To be competitive, Trump needs to consolidate support among Republicans and carry independents,” says Republican pollster Daron Shaw.  “That’s where he’s made in-roads in the last week, mostly by focusing his attention on the economy and Obamacare.”   Shaw conducts the Fox News Poll with Democratic counterpart Chris Anderson. 

Trump’s substantive strength is the economy.  He’s trusted over Clinton by four points, yet that’s the only issue where he bests her.  More trust Clinton to handle foreign policy (+15 points), immigration (+3), and terrorism (+3). 

Who would voters put across the table with Russian President Vladimir Putin?  More trust Clinton to negotiate with Putin by 3 points (47-44 percent among registered voters).  That’s down from a 13-point lead on this measure in April (53-40 percent). 

All in all, likely voters don’t think Trump is up to the task:  less than half think he’s qualified to be president (46 percent) and even fewer feel he has the temperament to serve effectively (36 percent).  Plus, over half lack confidence in his judgment in a crisis (56 percent). 

Clinton trounces Trump on each of those measures:  64 percent believe she’s qualified, 62 percent say she has the temperament, and 56 percent are confident in her judgment.

Plus, Clinton continues to receive more positive personal ratings.  She has a net negative rating of eight points (45 favorable vs. 53 unfavorable), while Trump is underwater by 14 (42 favorable vs. 56 unfavorable).  In addition, when undecided voters and those backing third-party candidates are combined, 26 percent have a favorable view of Clinton vs. 18 percent for Trump. 

Yet despite Trump’s weaknesses on traits, it’s still a tight race.  That’s because, at least in part, lots of folks prioritize issues when deciding their vote.  By a 59-28 percent margin, more say their decision is about the issues as opposed to the character of the candidates.  Those backing Trump are more likely to be voting on issues than character by a wide 57-point margin (73-16 percent).  For Clinton supporters, the choice is more about issues by 12 points (47-35 percent). 

Compared to 2008, this is a more character driven election.  At that time, voters said issues were more important than personal qualities by a 71-14 percent margin. 

"The bottom hasn't fallen out for Trump and Clinton hasn't pulled away, but the race isn’t as close as the 3-point lead suggests,” says Anderson.  “Trump needs a solid majority of undecided voters and wavering supporters of third-party candidates, and that’s extremely unlikely since most of them think he lacks the judgment, temperament, and qualifications to be president."

There are a couple of areas where the two are about evenly matched.  First, 52 percent feel Clinton “stands up” for people like them, and 49 percent feel that way about Trump. 

Also on their honesty -- or lack thereof:  a record-low 30 percent of likely voters think Clinton is honest and trustworthy, while 34 percent say Trump is. 

Pollpourri

Here are five additional takeaways from the poll.

- 63 percent of Trump’s supporters believe things in the United States generally favor “other people,” rather than people like them.  Forty-four percent of Clinton’s supporters feel that way.

- Twice as many voters expect Clinton to win as think Trump will (64-26 percent).  Fully 86 percent of Democrats think Clinton will win, while 49 percent of Republicans think Trump will.   

- Trump supporters (34 percent) are more than three times as likely as Clinton supporters (10 percent) to say they won’t accept the election outcome if their candidate loses.  Eighty-eight percent of Clinton supporters say they’ll accept the outcome, up from 74 percent in September.

- The generic congressional ballot test is also tight:  47 percent back the Democratic candidate in their congressional district, while 45 percent support the Republican.  Among those backing the GOP congressional candidate, 79 percent go for Trump in the four-way presidential race.  Clinton gets 82 percent of those backing the Democratic candidate.

“Models suggest a 2-point Democratic advantage on the generic ballot would result in a gain of about 11 seats in the House and 4 in the Senate,” says Shaw.  “That means the GOP would retain an edge of about 20 seats in the House, while the Senate would be very much up for grabs.”

- The political parties are about evenly matched in popularity among likely voters.  The Democratic Party has a net positive rating of four points (51 percent favorable vs. 47 percent unfavorable).  The Republican Party has a net negative rating by just one point (48 percent favorable vs. 49 percent unfavorable).

The Fox News Poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,309 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from October 22-25, 2016.  The survey includes results among 1,221 likely voters.  The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 2.5 percentage points for results among both registered and likely voters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/26/fox-news-poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-three-points.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on October 27, 2016, 10:19:11 PM
" More trust Clinton to handle foreign policy (+15 points), immigration (+3), and terrorism (+3). "


Amazing, really.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 28, 2016, 03:07:41 AM
https://streamable.com/31kv (https://streamable.com/31kv)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 28, 2016, 05:13:20 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 28, 2016, 06:27:17 AM
(https://i.sli.mg/ulLg02.jpg)(https://i.redd.it/yu8rn7u9t7ux.jpg)

(https://i.redd.it/2qx376ucm7ux.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 28, 2016, 07:51:31 AM
Reliable AI system predicts Trump will win
nypost ^
Posted on 10/28/2016, 10:01:53 AM by ChicagoConservative27

A data-crunching artificial intelligence system that’s correctly predicted the last three US presidential elections is picking Donald Trump to be the next commander in chief.

The AI system, called MogIA, crunches 20 million data points from sites such as Google, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube to spew out its predictions, CNBC reported.

It shows that Trump has overtaken the social media engagement numbers of Barack Obama’s peak in 2008 — by 25 percent.

And that’s important, because the candidate in each election who led in engagement data ended up winning the presidency, according to MogIA creator Sanjiv Rai, founder of an Indian startup company called Genic.ai “If Trump loses, it will defy the data trend for the first time in the last 12 years since internet engagement began in full earnest,” Rai told CNBC.

But Rai noted that the massive amount of data in social media posts is tough to analyze. Just because somebody engages with a Trump tweet, it doesn’t mean they also support him.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 28, 2016, 08:35:12 AM
(https://i.sli.mg/X0LCvH.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 28, 2016, 03:03:36 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D

(https://i.sli.mg/BfcMXv.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2016, 03:05:02 PM
:D :D :D :D :D

(https://i.sli.mg/BfcMXv.jpg)

lol   ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on October 31, 2016, 10:29:29 AM
Praise Kek!  :D

(https://i.redd.it/5k8irmnjfuux.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2016, 01:48:41 PM
Up to 88 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis

Down to 75.6 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2016, 03:26:14 PM
 :o

Pollster: “The Dam is About to Break” on Hillary
Voters abandoning establishment candidate in droves
Paul Joseph Watson -  October 31, 2016 

According to former Jimmy Carter pollster Pat Caddell, Hillary Clinton is hemorrhaging support as a result of the FBI announcement and we could see a repeat of the 1980 election when anti-establishment candidate Ronald Reagan won in a landslide.

Caddell drew comparisons to the 1980 presidential race, which was close right up until the final days before the electorate abandoned Carter and rallied around the anti-establishment candidate, leading to Reagan taking victory in a landslide.

Caddell noted that Carter’s entire campaign had been built around portraying Reagan as unqualified and “dangerous,” in a similar vein to how Clinton has demonized Trump.

Caddell explained that the polling between Reagan and Carter was close up until the final weekend when “the dam broke” and Reagan shot ahead by ten points.

Stating that he had been looking at the data regarding unfavorability ratings for both Clinton and Trump, Caddell noted that since Friday, large numbers of voters had been structurally “moving against the status quo – the incumbent who is essentially Hillary Clinton.”

As an ABC News poll found, Hillary’s unfavorability rating just hit its highest ever mark.

Caddell said that the latest information regarding the FBI re-opening its investigation into Hillary’s email scandal was the “popper” that “could open up significantly before it’s over,” meaning it would be the decisive factor that enables Trump to defeat Hillary.

http://www.infowars.com/pollster-the-dam-is-about-to-break-on-hillary/

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2016, 04:34:34 PM
Clinton’s unfavorable rating hits new high in poll | Trump targets Democratic states in final sprint
Published: Oct 31, 2016

Sixty percent of voters view Hillary Clinton unfavorably, according to a ABC News/Washington Post poll released Monday morning, the highest level of unpopularity yet for the Democratic presidential nominee.

Her Republican opponent Donald Trump is seen unfavorably by essentially as many, 58%. Overall, the race for president is heading down to the wire, with the poll showing Clinton leading Trump among likely voters by just one point, 46% to 45%. The poll was taken Wednesday through Saturday.

Using the last two nights’ results, after FBI Director James Comey revealed a further Clinton-related email investigation, 47% of the Democratic nominee’s supporters said they were very enthusiastic about her, compared with 51% across the previous six nights.

Trump targets Democratic states: Donald Trump is redirecting his energy toward traditionally Democratic states in the final stretch of the 2016 campaign, seeing a fresh opportunity after the announcement Friday that the FBI would again examine emails related to Hillary Clinton’s time as secretary of state.

The Washington Post writes Trump and his advisers spent the weekend deliberating ways to seize on what they see as a dramatic turn in the campaign’s closing chapter and scramble the political map. On Sunday, Trump held rallies in Colorado and New Mexico, and he is scheduled to make two stops Monday in Michigan. He is expected to visit Wisconsin on Tuesday.

Early turnout tilts toward Democrats: While Trump is newly focusing on Democratic states, Clinton has established a slim edge over her rival in early-voter turnout in several vital swing states, the New York Times reports. In Florida, Nevada and elsewhere, Democrats are outperforming Republicans, the Times writes.

What’s on state ballots: There’s much more on the ballot around the country on Nov. 8 than just Clinton versus Trump. MarketWatch has rounded up some of the hottest initiatives, including those on marijuana legalization and raising the minimum wage. Check them out here.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/clintons-unfavorable-rating-hits-new-high-in-poll-trump-targets-democratic-states-in-final-sprint-2016-10-31
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on October 31, 2016, 05:38:08 PM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 01, 2016, 03:49:48 AM
Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=1)

(https://images.newrepublic.com/25e747a7363fbd421ff8aa735f743d8f6e1f3ca6.gif?w=333&h=251)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 01, 2016, 07:53:24 AM
Holy Crap!!!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/whoa-sounds-like-chris-matthews-just-endorsed-trump-video


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 01, 2016, 07:54:37 AM
Holy Crap!!!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/whoa-sounds-like-chris-matthews-just-endorsed-trump-video




http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=621359.0
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 01, 2016, 07:56:19 AM
48,000 More Republicans Than Democrats in Florida’s First Coast Vote Early - Damn good sign!


Around 48,000 more Republicans than Democrats have already voted in Florida’s First Coast region, which encompasses five counties around Jacksonville.

Local station WOKV reports that Republicans are leading Democrats in early ballots, and over 40,000 independent voters have also voted early. That’s 19 percent of unaffiliated Florida voters in the counties of Clay, Dvual, Nassau, and St. Johns. Thirty-three percent of registered GOP voters in that area have already voted, along with 28 percent of Democrats.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3343545/pg1
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 01, 2016, 08:41:13 AM
Will be VERY interesting to see if Obammer keeps his date with the Hill campaign trail in Ohio today.

Hill calling Huma just "one of her staffers" now.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 01, 2016, 08:48:29 AM
Will be VERY interesting to see if Obammer keeps his date with the Hill campaign trail in Ohio today.

Hill calling Huma just "one of her staffers" now.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/01/huma-abedin-learned-fbi-was-looking-at-her-emails-from-the-press


 :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 01, 2016, 10:58:00 AM
Sheldon Adelson Commits $25 Million for Corruption Ads Targeting Clinton
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/10/Sheldon-Adelson-Mike-Pence-AFP-640x480.jpg)
Sheldon Adelson, Mike Pence AFP
by ALEX SWOYER
31 Oct 2016
Washington, DC

Billionaire Sheldon Adelson is reportedly committing at least $25 million to Future 45, a super PAC controlled by Joe and Marlene Ricketts.
According to Fox News’s Ed Henry, the money will be used to focus on corruption ads targeting Hillary Clinton in the final week ahead of the election on Nov. 8.

“It helps Republicans down ballot, but also is a sign big money Republicans who doubted Trump are now betting big as revelations from the FBI and WikiLeaks heat up,” Henry reports on Monday evening, noting that Trump and Adelson met in Las Vegas on Sunday.

“The $25 million from Adelson — it’s a floor, not a ceiling,” Henry adds.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/31/report-sheldon-adelson-commits-25-million-corruption-ads-targeting-clinton/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 01, 2016, 11:49:27 AM
BREAKING: PA STATE POLICE RAID Democrat Group For Evidence Of Voter Fraud

vote-polling-place Wow! Pennsylvania state police have raided Democrat-linked group FieldWorks looking for evidence of voter fraud.

Here’s an ad FieldWorks put on their Facebook page: poll-work-pa

They’re under investigation.

PA State Police Raid Democrat Office Committing Voter Fraud https://t.co/0LySQPcFUU

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) November 1, 2016

Philly.com reported:

Pennsylvania state police have raided a Delaware County political field office seeking evidence of possible voter-registration fraud, according to court records.

In a warrant filed late last week in County Court, investigators said they were seeking documents, financial information, and lists of employees at the Norwood office of FieldWorks LLC, a national organization that often does street work for Democrats, records show.

The warrant did not specify the nature of the probe, but said agents also were looking for “templates . . . utilized to construct fraudulent voter registration forms” and “completed voter registration forms containing same or similar identifying information of individuals on multiple forms.”

Read the rest here. But Democrats say voter fraud doesn’t happen? They’re wrong.

We need Voter ID!



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/breaking-pa-state-police-raid-democrat-group-evidence-voter-fraud/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 01, 2016, 02:57:05 PM
Zogby to Newsmax: Hillary's in Trouble, but Race Still a Squeaker
Tuesday, 01 Nov 2016

The zig-zagging polls that have had both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton leading in the presidential election in recent days show "it's anybody's race" — although the negatives are piling up the Democratic candidate, veteran pollster John Zogby tells Newsmax TV.

Last week, an ABC poll showed Clinton leading Trump by 14 points, but on Monday it turned into a 1-point lead for Clinton, and on Tuesday, a 1-point lead for Trump just a week before voters go to the polls.

"Very simply [Clinton has] been in a downward spiral for the last nine days and so this was not an overnight thing or a [FBI Director James] Comey thing. This has been a slow and steady decline by Hillary," Zogby, senior partner at John Zogby Strategies, said Tuesday to Steve Malzberg on "America Talks Live."

See Steve Malzberg on Newsmax TV: Tune in beginning at 12 PM EDT to "America Talks Live" — on FiOS 115/615, YouTube Livestream, Newsmax TV App from any smartphone, NewsmaxTV.com, Roku, Amazon Fire — More Systems Here

"Her negatives have gone up and the Comey thing furthers the negatives going up. [We see] the level of people who trust her going up again and then we also see people who said they were leaning towards Hillary Clinton … say that they're less likely to vote for her.
 
"In a close election as things are developing the way they are, that 7 percent who were leaning towards her changing their minds becomes pretty huge."

Still, says Zogby, who directs the Keenan Center for Entrepreneurship, next Tuesday is still very much up in the air.

"Oh, it's anybody's race," Zogby told Malzberg. "We have eight more new cycles, maybe 16 more new cycles between now and then."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/john-zogby-hillay-trouble-race/2016/11/01/id/756439/#ixzz4OnSLJrSn
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 01, 2016, 04:08:26 PM
Down to 75.6 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast

Down to 71.0 percent. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 06:52:44 AM
(https://i.sli.mg/yH5yxC.jpg)

Trump called it
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 06:59:12 AM
(http://23.media.tumblr.com/e92708584a0604aa609befa127a93048/tumblr_o35wtaiOPp1slqt1mo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 02, 2016, 08:48:19 AM
George P. Bush says it looks like W will be voting for Hillary.  There you go.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Howard on November 02, 2016, 08:51:49 AM
:D :D :D :D :D

(https://i.sli.mg/BfcMXv.jpg)

Fuk, that's funny!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: mazrim on November 02, 2016, 09:00:06 AM
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I hate Beck. Doesn't make any sense anymore. Seems like he is getting paid to be a so-called conservative to sway voters who think he still is.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 09:03:07 AM
I hate Beck. Doesn't make any sense anymore. Seems like he is getting paid to be a so-called conservative to sway voters who think he still is.

He is absolutely terrible and is almost broke. His company is failing.

He will be bankrupt soon. And yes, rumors have it that he is actually being paid a good amount of money from the Hillary/Bush/Romney globalist ilk.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 02, 2016, 09:10:29 AM
This is all about the Globalists leading the stupid and ignorant down the wrong road.  That would be Hillary supporters.  What the stupid and ignorant believe to be "bipartisan effort" has now been revealed as a much deeper work of cooperation.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 02, 2016, 09:13:41 AM
This is all about the Globalists leading the stupid and ignorant down the wrong road.  That would be Hillary supporters.  What the stupid and ignorant believe to be "bipartisan effort" has now been revealed as a much deeper work of cooperation.


The truth is if it were not for Trump taking out Jeb early on, we would have Bush vs Clinton right now, 2 globalist.


Time to drain the swamp!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 02, 2016, 09:14:02 AM
(https://i.sli.mg/yH5yxC.jpg)

Trump called it

Much like when dvds began to exert more shelf space over vhs in video rental places, the new media is beginning to exert more influence over the traditional/legacy media.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 02, 2016, 09:19:08 AM

The truth is if it were not for Trump taking out Jeb early on, we would have Bush vs Clinton right now, 2 globalist.


Time to drain the swamp!

Yes, what an absolute scam and a sham we'd have if it was Bush, Rubio, Kasich or almost any one of those guys.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 09:41:00 AM
91 Percent of Last-Minute Bets Are For Trump, Paddy Power Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-02/91-percent-of-last-minute-bets-are-for-trump-paddy-power-says (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-02/91-percent-of-last-minute-bets-are-for-trump-paddy-power-says)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 09:43:53 AM
(https://i.redd.it/e8hu603t38vx.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 09:45:01 AM
The fire rises...

#Michigan,  :o :o :o
New Strategic National (R) Poll:

Clinton 45 (+1)
Trump 44
Johnson 5

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/793841133080240129 (https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/793841133080240129)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 02, 2016, 09:53:04 AM
91 Percent of Last-Minute Bets Are For Trump, Paddy Power Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-02/91-percent-of-last-minute-bets-are-for-trump-paddy-power-says (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-02/91-percent-of-last-minute-bets-are-for-trump-paddy-power-says)

I looked up the old betting articles on Brexit, and PP actually had Remain ahead up until a last minute flood of Independence came in.

But it's also true that PP paid out on Hillary a few weeks ago, for whatever that means.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2016, 01:18:18 PM
Down to 71.0 percent. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast-analysis

Down to 69.3 percent.  He also had Florida and NC flip to Trump earlier today, before flipping them back to Hillary.  So essentially a dead heat in those two states. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2016, 01:21:54 PM
The fire rises...

#Michigan,  :o :o :o
New Strategic National (R) Poll:

Clinton 45 (+1)
Trump 44
Johnson 5

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/793841133080240129 (https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/793841133080240129)

Whoa.  Is Michigan really in play?   :o  If he takes Michigan, Florida, and North Carolina it's definitely over. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2016, 02:25:14 PM
This Just In: Paul Ryan Voted for Donald Trump
Zach Montanaro | November 1, 2016
 
To put it midly, House Speaker Paul Ryan and Donald Trump have had a testy relationship since the billionaire businessman became the Republican nominee. On Tuesday, however, Ryan showed he didn’t let the back-and-forth get in his way of voting for Trump.

“I stand where I stood all fall and all summer. In fact, I already voted here in Janesville for our nominee last week in early voting,” the Speaker revealed in an interview with Fox and Friends.

“I'm supporting our entire Republican ticket," he added. "I have been all along. My focus personally right now is saving our House majority.”

FOX & Friends
✔  ‎@foxandfriends 
.@SpeakerRyan: I voted for Donald Trump last week in early voting.
2:51 AM - 1 Nov 2016
 
Ryan’s revelation comes as some former GOP presidential contenders have stepped forward and publically stated that they wouldn’t vote for Trump. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, for example, recently stated that he wrote in Arizona Sen. John McCain's name when he voted absentee, a move that's drawn the dissatisfaction of other Republicans.

Rick Santorum, another presidential hopeful, scolded Kasich for his vote by pointing out that he signed a pledge to support the eventual nominee, whoever it was.

“You can't say a man who's not going to keep his word is someone that frankly, should be paid attention to when it comes to how he's going to vote,” Santorum said.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 02, 2016, 02:45:14 PM
This Just In: Paul Ryan Voted for Donald Trump
Zach Montanaro | November 1, 2016
 
To put it midly, House Speaker Paul Ryan and Donald Trump have had a testy relationship since the billionaire businessman became the Republican nominee. On Tuesday, however, Ryan showed he didn’t let the back-and-forth get in his way of voting for Trump.

“I stand where I stood all fall and all summer. In fact, I already voted here in Janesville for our nominee last week in early voting,” the Speaker revealed in an interview with Fox and Friends.

“I'm supporting our entire Republican ticket," he added. "I have been all along. My focus personally right now is saving our House majority.”

FOX & Friends
✔  ‎@foxandfriends 
.@SpeakerRyan: I voted for Donald Trump last week in early voting.
2:51 AM - 1 Nov 2016
 
Ryan’s revelation comes as some former GOP presidential contenders have stepped forward and publically stated that they wouldn’t vote for Trump. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, for example, recently stated that he wrote in Arizona Sen. John McCain's name when he voted absentee, a move that's drawn the dissatisfaction of other Republicans.

Rick Santorum, another presidential hopeful, scolded Kasich for his vote by pointing out that he signed a pledge to support the eventual nominee, whoever it was.

“You can't say a man who's not going to keep his word is someone that frankly, should be paid attention to when it comes to how he's going to vote,” Santorum said.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/

I hope the republicans replace him as speaker, as he has no fight in him, and he is is a globalist rino.

Since becoming speaker he has gave obama everything he wanted.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 02:46:08 PM
Whoa.  Is Michigan really in play?   :o  If he takes Michigan, Florida, and North Carolina it's definitely over. 

Yes. Not at my cpu, but a poll came out in Penn having hillary +4. That same poll was weighted Dem +12. No lie. He's trending upward to a point that the polls can't hide it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 02:53:36 PM
Hell  he's even currently polling ahead in VA.

http://news.hamptonu.edu/release/Hampton-University%27s-CPP-Latest-Poll-Shows-VA-Voter-Shift-from-Clinton-to-Trump-Post-Email-Investigation?a=1 (http://news.hamptonu.edu/release/Hampton-University%27s-CPP-Latest-Poll-Shows-VA-Voter-Shift-from-Clinton-to-Trump-Post-Email-Investigation?a=1)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 02, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
Hell  he's even currently polling ahead in VA.

http://news.hamptonu.edu/release/Hampton-University%27s-CPP-Latest-Poll-Shows-VA-Voter-Shift-from-Clinton-to-Trump-Post-Email-Investigation?a=1 (http://news.hamptonu.edu/release/Hampton-University%27s-CPP-Latest-Poll-Shows-VA-Voter-Shift-from-Clinton-to-Trump-Post-Email-Investigation?a=1)
He's up 48% to 39% among 257 Virginians interviewed during the 3 days after the last news broke.

We are looking at a landslide.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 02, 2016, 03:54:52 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/wikileaks-exposes-collusion-between-clinton-campaign-state-department-and-new-york-t


Wikileaks Exposes Collusion Between Clinton Campaign, State Department, And New York Times


She better pick out a nice pantsuit for the perp walk. The hits just keep a coming.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 02, 2016, 04:09:05 PM
All immunity given towards those involved in the Clinton server FBI investigation will be void if new information proves they lied. (And they did.)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2016, 04:10:32 PM
Yes. Not at my cpu, but a poll came out in Penn having hillary +4. That same poll was weighted Dem +12. No lie. He's trending upward to a point that the polls can't hide it.

Plus 12?  lol  Those folks have no shame.  

I've been listening to a few people who are split.  Newt things Trump will win.  Rove thinks it's an uphill, nearly impossible battle.  Sabato looks constipated every time he has to talk about Trump rising.  He's probably still in denial a bit, but I do consider him credible.  Crazy election.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2016, 04:12:29 PM
Razor thin margin.  Hillary supporters back on suicide watch. 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups_race_changes.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2016, 04:18:27 PM
Down to 69.3 percent.  He also had Florida and NC flip to Trump earlier today, before flipping them back to Hillary.  So essentially a dead heat in those two states. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Down to 67.6 with Trump edging ahead in Florida.  Projected delegates 296 to 240.8.  According to Silver's current map, if Trump wins NC, NV, and AZ he's in.  Coming down to the wire.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 02, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
In six days this election will be over.  Well, except for the crying and gnashing of teeth of one side. 

No matter who wins, history will be made.  If Hillary wins, it will be the first time in the history of our country that a woman has been elected POTUS.  If Trump wins, well.. it will be the first time in history a billionaire moves into public housing after a black family leaves. 

Either way, it has been a very strange and amusing election cycle to watch this time. 

I will be half around the world when the results come in so will have to wait until the AM to get them.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 02:00:22 AM
In six days this election will be over.  Well, except for the crying and gnashing of teeth of one side. 

No matter who wins, history will be made.  If Hillary wins, it will be the first time in the history of our country that a woman has been elected POTUS.  If Trump wins, well.. it will be the first time in history a billionaire moves into public housing after a black family leaves. 

Either way, it has been a very strange and amusing election cycle to watch this time. 

I will be half around the world when the results come in so will have to wait until the AM to get them.

I arrive back in the states on November 8th. Should I delay my return?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 03:57:55 AM
WBUR Poll: Trump Edges Ahead Of Clinton In N.H. (+1)

http://www.wbur.org/politicker/2016/11/03/trump-clinton-new-hampshire (http://www.wbur.org/politicker/2016/11/03/trump-clinton-new-hampshire)

A new WBUR poll of likely voters in New Hampshire finds that Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton are now in a dead heat with just five days to go before Election Day.

The survey also finds Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte leading her Democratic challenger, Gov. Maggie Hassan, by 6 points in one of the key races that could determine which party will control the U.S. Senate.

The poll is consistent with a number of surveys across the country that suggest the presidential race has tightened considerably.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 03:59:55 AM
Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump tied in Colorado, new poll shows

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/ (http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/)

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are tied in Colorado, a new poll shows, entering the final days of the 2016 presidential race.

The University of Denver poll released Wednesday found Clinton and Trump deadlocked at 39 percent in a four-way race, in a survey of registered likely voters conducted Saturday through Monday.

The third-party candidates combined for 15 percent with another 8 percent undecided. The poll’s margin of error is plus-or-minus 4.2 percent.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 04:01:22 AM
(https://i.reddituploads.com/def8fa1de76247ff86a387f5c35af736?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=16d138cde544e31084b4c2b12d2b5ba5)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 03, 2016, 04:03:13 AM
I arrive back in the states on November 8th. Should I delay my return?

You should cancel your return.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 04:03:34 AM
National IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll (10/27-11/1):

Clinton 44%
Trump 44%
Johnson 4%
Stein 2

H2H:
Clinton 44%
Trump 44%

**This poll is weighted with D+8 or D +9. That does not reflect primary turnout numbers of R+1.

Obama's turnout was D+6 in 2012. Are you telling me that there is more enthusiasm and support for Clinton this election than Obama?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 04:03:48 AM
Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump tied in Colorado, new poll shows

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/ (http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/)

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are tied in Colorado, a new poll shows, entering the final days of the 2016 presidential race.

The University of Denver poll released Wednesday found Clinton and Trump deadlocked at 39 percent in a four-way race, in a survey of registered likely voters conducted Saturday through Monday.

The third-party candidates combined for 15 percent with another 8 percent undecided. The poll’s margin of error is plus-or-minus 4.2 percent.


The most recent polls sure indicate Trump is on the upswing. I'd be concerned except all you all, keep telling me the polls are "rigged" and therefore don't mean anything.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 04:04:25 AM
The most recent polls sure indicate Trump is on the upswing. I'd be concerned except all you all, keep telling me the polls are "rigged" and therefore don't mean anything.

National IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll (10/27-11/1):

Clinton 44%
Trump 44%
Johnson 4%
Stein 2

H2H:
Clinton 44%
Trump 44%

**This poll is weighted with D+8 or D +9. That does not reflect primary turnout numbers of R+1.

Obama's turnout was D+6 in 2012. Are you telling me that there is more enthusiasm and support for Clinton this election than Obama?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 04:07:17 AM


I'm trying to follow you, but my aging brain cannot make sense out of your last double quoted post. What does "a" mean? Help me out here.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 04:08:49 AM
I'm trying to follow you, but my aging brain cannot make sense out of your last double quoted post. What does "a" mean? Help me out here.

**This poll is weighted with D+8 or D +9. That does not reflect 2016 primary turnout numbers of R+1.

Obama's turnout was D+6 in 2012. Are you telling me that there is more enthusiasm and support for Clinton this election than Obama?

EDIT: That's how the polls are still "rigged"
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 03, 2016, 04:10:12 AM
I'm trying to follow you, but my aging brain cannot make sense out of your last double quoted post. What does "a" mean? Help me out here.

Kinda like Hillary not knowing that "C"'on a document meant Classified.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: tatoo on November 03, 2016, 04:13:46 AM
Kinda like Hillary not knowing that "C"'on a document meant Classified.

what a pos liar... if any woman on this earth needs a backhand, its this one..
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 04:16:48 AM
You should cancel your return.

I would if I could, but I have business at home. Anyway, at the moment, the U.S. is the laughing stock of Europe. As beautiful as it is where I am, I'd prefer not to have to answer for the mess our Presidential election is in. A common question is that with no viable choices, what will you American voters do?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 04:17:51 AM
Kinda like Hillary not knowing that "C"'on a document meant Classified.

How so?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 04:23:49 AM
Just an observation from a different time zone, but some of you must either be insomniacs or very early risers. Right now isn't it only 6:20 a.m. on the East coast and 3:20 a.m. out west?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 04:35:36 AM
Just an observation from a different time zone, but some of you must either be insomniacs or very early risers. Right now isn't it only 6:20 a.m. on the East coast and 3:20 a.m. out west?
.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 04:45:30 AM
WBUR Poll: Trump Edges Ahead Of Clinton In N.H. (+1)

http://www.wbur.org/politicker/2016/11/03/trump-clinton-new-hampshire (http://www.wbur.org/politicker/2016/11/03/trump-clinton-new-hampshire)

A new WBUR poll of likely voters in New Hampshire finds that Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton are now in a dead heat with just five days to go before Election Day.

The survey also finds Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte leading her Democratic challenger, Gov. Maggie Hassan, by 6 points in one of the key races that could determine which party will control the U.S. Senate.

The poll is consistent with a number of surveys across the country that suggest the presidential race has tightened considerably.


Political Polls Retweeted Political Polls

New Hampshire Head-2-Head
@WBUR/@MassINCPolling:

Trump 44% (+2)
Clinton 42

A 7 point shift toward Trump since early Oct.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 03, 2016, 04:53:19 AM
Just an observation from a different time zone, but some of you must either be insomniacs or very early risers. Right now isn't it only 6:20 a.m. on the East coast and 3:20 a.m. out west?

I'm on the East Coast, NYC, and I am an early riser, and, in the words of Ric Flair, "That's why I live in the big house, on the big hill, on the big side of town."

And I'm having a hard time controlling my laughter after that picture Yamcha posted.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 05:12:01 AM
(https://i.redd.it/05mhefmmbevx.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 05:29:10 AM

No, you can’t text your vote. But these fake ads tell Clinton supporters to do just that.
 

http://archive.is/kTwv9#selection-3323.0-3336.1 (http://archive.is/kTwv9#selection-3323.0-3336.1)

First things first: There is no such thing as voting by text message. Period. If you want to cast a ballot, you can vote at your polling station or vote absentee. That’s it.

But ads circulated on Twitter recently would have you believe otherwise.

Lifting imagery directly from Hillary Clinton’s campaign materials, the ads encourage supporters of the Democratic nominee to “vote early” and “vote from home” by texting their candidate’s name to a five-digit number.

“Save time. Avoid the line,” one reads.

“Vote early. Text ‘Hillary’ to 59925,” says another.

At least four such ads began making rounds on social media this week, each containing the Clinton campaign’s “H” logo and a line saying they were “paid for by Hillary for President.” Some featured images of Clinton that appear to be pulled from actual campaign marketing materials, while others showed a black woman and a Hispanic woman, in what may be an attempt to dupe to minority voters. One was written entirely in Spanish.




HAHAHAHA Trolls have been exposing the stupidity of Hillary supporters!

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 06:06:21 AM
White House Watch: Trump Takes The Lead

Republican Donald Trump has a three-point lead in Rasmussen Reports’ White House Watch survey. Among voters who are certain how they will vote, Trump now has over 50% support.

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_nov3 (http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_nov3)

TRUMP PASSES 50% WITH DEFINITE VOTERS...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 06:19:49 AM
One of today's leaks:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43526#efmAu1Axg (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43526#efmAu1Axg)

In regards to the email server investigation:

"Now, depending on what they are looking at, you can't easily determine if that happened. They are looking at HER email, not ours. They don't know what next step we took."

Internal cover-up. That's intent.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43555#efmAAGAARACgADQAFQAG5 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43555#efmAAGAARACgADQAFQAG5)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 03, 2016, 08:00:35 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 08:27:01 AM
(https://i.reddituploads.com/e77db2794b1d4e46b1d26aa27ae00fc1?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=9deb9cdc3c82b3e720f2feb90225c67b)

amen
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 08:43:06 AM
Trump +5 in New Hampshire...

http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/pres16/ (http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/pres16/)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 03, 2016, 09:20:23 AM
Appreciate all the updates.

These polls today and tomorrow are the most telling (besides the one on Election Day lol)

They are the first ones taken after the Halloween weekend and after the potentially damning second FBI probe was announced so it gives a much better idea of where we are truly at.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2016, 09:40:37 AM
 :o  Outlier?

Poll: Donald Trump Takes 3-Point Lead in Virginia — 15-Point Swing in Past Month
by MATTHEW BOYLE
2 Nov 2016

NEW YORK CITY, New York — Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has taken the lead in the latest poll out of the battleground state of Virginia, with his Democrat rival Hillary Clinton slipping 15 points in a month.
The Hampton University Center for Public Policy (CPP) poll out on Wednesday afternoon shows that Trump has taken a three-point lead over Clinton in the Old Dominion, inside the poll’s margin of error of 4.57 percent. The survey of 802 Virginians, taken from Oct. 26 through Oct. 30—meaning it was conducted both before and after the FBI announced its reopening of the criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s illicit home brew email server—found Trump at 44 percent and Clinton at 41 percent.

A release from the University notes that Trump had already started closing the gap in Virginia before FBI director James Comey’s announcement, in his letter to Congress, but that Clinton was ahead by a small margin then. It was after the FBI announcement that the bottom dropped out of Clinton’s campaign in Virginia, boosting Trump way over her.

“The HU Center for Public Policy poll was conducted October 26-30, 2016, and at the start of the poll, Democratic Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton had a two point lead prior to the release of the email news story breaking on Friday, October 28th,” Hampton University’s CPP said in the release:

After the FBI email news story, the numbers changed dramatically, and following the five day tally, Clinton now trails Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump by three percentage points. It must be noted that this poll began on the evening of Wednesday, October 26th and in the two days of data collection before the FBI email news story, the majority of interviews were completed. In that time, the data reflected a slim lead for Clinton over Trump (43% to 42% with 15% undecided). In the three days of data collection after the news, 257 interviews were conducted which reflected a wider Trump lead over Clinton of 48% to 39% with 13% as yet undecided. After all of the numbers from the 5 day poll were added, averaged and weighted, the total puts Trump ahead.

Overall, this is a 15-point swing away from Clinton towards Trump from the most recent previous Hampton University CPP poll conducted back in late September and early October, where Clinton was up 12 points.

A Trump aide told Breitbart News this week that it seems like Virginia is definitely in play. This individual highlighted previous election cycles — Ken Cuccinelli’s run for governor and Ed Gillespie’s run for Senate — where polls underestimated Republican candidates in both cycles.

Now that Trump has pulled into the lead in Virginia, a five-alarm fire alarm is surely going off in Clinton’s campaign headquarters in Brooklyn. In fact, before this poll came back, Clinton’s campaign changed up the candidate’s schedule to deploy her to Michigan—another state that has gone blue in the last several presidential elections but seems to be trending towards Trump—and announced new six-figure ad buys in many blue-leaning states, including Virginia.

If Trump locks down Virginia’s 13 electoral votes, Clinton’s firewall for the White House is significantly diminished, and he is well on his way to becoming the next president of the United States. Trump has already now pulled ahead in Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Nevada, Iowa, and more. Winning those, plus the red states and Virginia, would ensure Trump the White House with a comfortable win well above 270 electoral votes and many more states like Michigan, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Maine’s second congressional district, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and more still in play on the chessboard.

The fact that Virginia is back in contention this late in the game, after Clinton previously thought she had it locked in, is particularly embarrassing for her running mate. Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA), who once served as the state’s governor. Kaine has been a lackluster vice presidential candidate who, after a poor showing in the vice presidential debate against Mike Pence in Virginia, has canceled rallies after generating embarrassing headlines with his small crowd sizes.

Other recent surveys have also shown Virginia tightening, and it is ultimately unclear exactly what will happen on election day. But if past is prologue—looking back in recent years at the polling in both the Cuccinelli and Gillespie races versus the actual results—then this contest is coming down to the wire between Trump and Clinton in the Old Dominion.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/02/poll-donald-trump-takes-3-point-lead-virginia-15-point-swing-away-hillary-clinton/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/poll-military-back-Donald-Trump/2016/11/02/id/756721/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/poll-military-back-Donald-Trump/2016/11/02/id/756721/)

Where's 240? Military Poll: Troops Backing Trump By 3-to-1 Margin Over Clinton
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 09:42:20 AM
:o  Outlier?

Poll: Donald Trump Takes 3-Point Lead in Virginia — 15-Point Swing in Past Month
by MATTHEW BOYLE
2 Nov 2016

NEW YORK CITY, New York — Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has taken the lead in the latest poll out of the battleground state of Virginia, with his Democrat rival Hillary Clinton slipping 15 points in a month.
The Hampton University Center for Public Policy (CPP) poll out on Wednesday afternoon shows that Trump has taken a three-point lead over Clinton in the Old Dominion, inside the poll’s margin of error of 4.57 percent. The survey of 802 Virginians, taken from Oct. 26 through Oct. 30—meaning it was conducted both before and after the FBI announced its reopening of the criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s illicit home brew email server—found Trump at 44 percent and Clinton at 41 percent.

A release from the University notes that Trump had already started closing the gap in Virginia before FBI director James Comey’s announcement, in his letter to Congress, but that Clinton was ahead by a small margin then. It was after the FBI announcement that the bottom dropped out of Clinton’s campaign in Virginia, boosting Trump way over her.

“The HU Center for Public Policy poll was conducted October 26-30, 2016, and at the start of the poll, Democratic Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton had a two point lead prior to the release of the email news story breaking on Friday, October 28th,” Hampton University’s CPP said in the release:

After the FBI email news story, the numbers changed dramatically, and following the five day tally, Clinton now trails Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump by three percentage points. It must be noted that this poll began on the evening of Wednesday, October 26th and in the two days of data collection before the FBI email news story, the majority of interviews were completed. In that time, the data reflected a slim lead for Clinton over Trump (43% to 42% with 15% undecided). In the three days of data collection after the news, 257 interviews were conducted which reflected a wider Trump lead over Clinton of 48% to 39% with 13% as yet undecided. After all of the numbers from the 5 day poll were added, averaged and weighted, the total puts Trump ahead.

Overall, this is a 15-point swing away from Clinton towards Trump from the most recent previous Hampton University CPP poll conducted back in late September and early October, where Clinton was up 12 points.

A Trump aide told Breitbart News this week that it seems like Virginia is definitely in play. This individual highlighted previous election cycles — Ken Cuccinelli’s run for governor and Ed Gillespie’s run for Senate — where polls underestimated Republican candidates in both cycles.

Now that Trump has pulled into the lead in Virginia, a five-alarm fire alarm is surely going off in Clinton’s campaign headquarters in Brooklyn. In fact, before this poll came back, Clinton’s campaign changed up the candidate’s schedule to deploy her to Michigan—another state that has gone blue in the last several presidential elections but seems to be trending towards Trump—and announced new six-figure ad buys in many blue-leaning states, including Virginia.

If Trump locks down Virginia’s 13 electoral votes, Clinton’s firewall for the White House is significantly diminished, and he is well on his way to becoming the next president of the United States. Trump has already now pulled ahead in Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Nevada, Iowa, and more. Winning those, plus the red states and Virginia, would ensure Trump the White House with a comfortable win well above 270 electoral votes and many more states like Michigan, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Maine’s second congressional district, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and more still in play on the chessboard.

The fact that Virginia is back in contention this late in the game, after Clinton previously thought she had it locked in, is particularly embarrassing for her running mate. Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA), who once served as the state’s governor. Kaine has been a lackluster vice presidential candidate who, after a poor showing in the vice presidential debate against Mike Pence in Virginia, has canceled rallies after generating embarrassing headlines with his small crowd sizes.

Other recent surveys have also shown Virginia tightening, and it is ultimately unclear exactly what will happen on election day. But if past is prologue—looking back in recent years at the polling in both the Cuccinelli and Gillespie races versus the actual results—then this contest is coming down to the wire between Trump and Clinton in the Old Dominion.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/02/poll-donald-trump-takes-3-point-lead-virginia-15-point-swing-away-hillary-clinton/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Jesus! In the past two days that makes Virginia, New Hampshire, Nevada, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Colorado (Tied).
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 09:43:57 AM
Remember that Black Church that was burned down yesterday?

Trump supporters reacted:

http://regated.com/2016/11/trump-supporters-raise-money-church/ (http://regated.com/2016/11/trump-supporters-raise-money-church/)

"Trump supporters have reached their goal in about thirteen hours, with over $120,000 in combined donations from over 3500 people."

$124k+
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 03, 2016, 09:52:44 AM
If Trump wins, it is going to be a hilarious 4 years to follow.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 09:54:16 AM
If Trump wins, it is going to be a hilarious 4 years to follow.

I've got my chosen song to play as I sit back and watch people meltdown.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2016, 10:01:13 AM
Down to 67.6 with Trump edging ahead in Florida.  Projected delegates 296 to 240.8.  According to Silver's current map, if Trump wins NC, NV, and AZ he's in.  Coming down to the wire.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Down to 65.9 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 10:11:01 AM
I thought McMuffin was pulling 30%+

#Election2016: #Utah 
#Trump 42%, (+11)
#Clinton 31%,
#McMullin 21%
http://tinyurl.com/jslcowj (http://tinyurl.com/jslcowj)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 10:12:24 AM
Down to 65.9 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

If Nate would properly give Trump New Hampshire, he'd currently be leading.  :)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 03, 2016, 10:12:55 AM
Remember that Black Church that was burned down yesterday?

Trump supporters reacted:

http://regated.com/2016/11/trump-supporters-raise-money-church/ (http://regated.com/2016/11/trump-supporters-raise-money-church/)

"Trump supporters have reached their goal in about thirteen hours, with over $120,000 in combined donations from over 3500 people."

$124k+


Would love to see the current Wisconsin numbers.

Clinton was only up 4 on October 30th
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 10:17:00 AM

Would love to see the current Wisconsin numbers.

Clinton was only up 4 on October 30th

The only poll to come out is the Marquette poll, and is very strange.

Clinton Jumped up to a +6 lead, but it showed that she went from having +12 Independent support to -8 Independent support.

So she lost huge % of independent supporters but gained +2 Total? No. Not a very accurate poll.
They won't give exact demographics either. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 03, 2016, 10:20:49 AM
If Nate would properly give Trump New Hampshire, he'd currently be leading.  :)

Nate Silver Bronze or Nate Iron Ore
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 03, 2016, 10:47:05 AM
Nate Silver Bronze or Nate Iron Ore

New Hampshire (which two polls today show Trump up, +1 & +5) is the tipping point as of now...

(https://i.reddituploads.com/c6021637e6864a66b209971bdb8347df?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=8b5ef4016954f00236be316a8fc124e6)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 03, 2016, 10:55:08 AM
New Hampshire (which two polls today show Trump up, +1 & +5) is the tipping point as of now...

(https://i.reddituploads.com/c6021637e6864a66b209971bdb8347df?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=8b5ef4016954f00236be316a8fc124e6)

That's a really good graph.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 03, 2016, 10:57:11 AM
Colorado, New Hampshire and Nevada is going to determine this race.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 03, 2016, 11:33:21 AM
Independents leaning toward Trump in polls after FBI furor erupts
McCatchy DC ^ | November 3, 2016 | David Lightman
Posted on 11/3/2016, 2:23:06 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

The furor over the FBI probe of Hillary Clinton’s emails is helping Donald Trump among independent voters in key swing states.

In Wisconsin, a state that for months has been seen as safe Democratic turf, a new Marquette Law School poll released Wednesday found a shift in independent voters’ views. Many moved toward Trump after the FBI said Friday it was again probing Clinton’s use of a private email system for government business.

In Florida, a new CNN/ORC survey of Florida voters had Clinton up 2 and Quinnipiac had her up 1. Trump was leading among independent voters, 46-40, Quinnipiac found.

In Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac gave Clinton a 4-point edge, while CNN/ORC had her up 5. Clinton was ahead by 4 with independent voters, Quinnpiac said.

In North Carolina, Trump was up 45-38 among independents, Quinnpiac said. Clinton led overall by 3. Quinnipiac’s polls were conducted Thursday through Tuesday....

(Excerpt) Read more at mcclatchydc.com ...

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 03, 2016, 11:35:15 AM
New Hampshire Poll: Trump 48% Crooked 43%
American Research Group ^ | 11/3/2016 | American Research Group
Posted on 11/3/2016, 11:29:51 AM by MountainWalker

The following results are based on 600 completed interviews among a statewide random sample of likely voters in New Hampshire (209 Republicans, 191 Democrats, and 200 undeclared voters). The interviews were conducted October 31 through November 2, 2016.

The theoretical margin of error for the sample of 600 likely voters is plus or minus 4 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split.

Question wording and responses:

If the election for US President were being held today between Hillary Clinton, the Democrat, Donald Trump, the Republican, Gary Johnson, the Libertarian, and Jill Stein, of the Green Party, for whom would you vote - Clinton, Trump, Johnson, or Stein? (names rotated)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2016, 01:22:45 PM
Down to 65.9 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Dropping like a rock by the hour.  Down to 64.7. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2016, 01:23:30 PM
If Nate would properly give Trump New Hampshire, he'd currently be leading.  :)

He's the only forecaster I really trust.  Deadly accurate. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2016, 01:33:05 PM
Nate Silver Bronze or Nate Iron Ore

Do you think there is anyone better at forecasting elections? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
Long but good read.

Election Update: Yes, Donald Trump Has A Path To Victory

If the race tightens any further, Clinton’s electoral edge is fragile.
By Nate Silver
Nov 1, 2016

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-yes-donald-trump-has-a-path-to-victory/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
Sabato currently has it Hillary 293 to Trump 214. 

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-president/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 02:57:45 PM

 As in some ancient myth, Hillary Clinton, warrior princess, could only succeed in her quest for the kingdom by vanquishing Phallus, the many-headed god of male sexual craziness. First she had to defeat the ghost of Bill Clinton, and that wasn’t so hard because Bill was a popular politician even when his sins were fresh in public memory; now he was old and his sins were too. Then there was the giant, Donald of the tiny hands, and he helped vanquish himself by being too gross and proud of it even for many in his own party. It was all going so well—her campaign was even thinking of venturing into seriously red places like Arizona just for the heck of it—when, a mere 11 days before the election, up popped a ridiculous troll: Anthony Weiner, the irrepressible dick-pic-sending long-disgraced estranged husband of Huma Abedin, Hillary’s aide and friend. For some reason, Abedin and Weiner may have shared a laptop, on which there may have been both Weiner’s sexts, possibly to an underage girl in North Carolina, and e-mails to or from Abedin that may have something to do with Hillary’s State Department correspondence. We know all this because James Comey, the Republican who heads the FBI, ignored Department of Justice protocol and told Congress he was investigating the matter, although he was unable to say what the matter was or when he would know. By the time you read this, the whole thing may have blown over. Or not. Meanwhile, what have we learned so far?

1. If you are a woman in politics, don’t get married.   

2. If you are a married woman in politics, get a divorce. Better still, become a widow. All the perks of marriage and none of the risks.   

3. Whether or not you are in politics, do not share a laptop with your husband, especially if he is a pervert. Believe me, you don’t want to know!   

4. If you are a Democratic president, do not give important jobs to Republicans, especially jobs having to do with manly stuff like law, order, war, and guns. You won’t win brownie points with the opposition; you’ll only reinforce the notion that Democrats are girly men.   


Hillary Clinton is not the first woman politican to have career trouble because of the men in her life. 

I’m not the only person to have noticed that the campaign of the first woman to run for president from a major party has ended up being all about men behaving badly. Just look at Trump’s campaign: former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, accused of manhandling a woman reporter at a rally in March; the unspeakable Roger Ailes, forced out as head of Fox News after multiple women came forward with credible charges of harassment and abuse, now a campaign adviser; Breitbart chairman Stephen Bannon, the current campaign CEO, charged with domestic violence in 1996; surrogates Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich, proud adulterers and huge hypocrites. It’s as if hating women, being accused of sex crimes, and being a terrible husband are job qualifications. (And maybe that’s not the only place it’s a plus on your résumé: After he left the Trump campaign, CNN snapped Lewandowski right up.) But then this is Trump, who boasted about the size of his penis in a primary debate, which has to be a first. Could the clouds of testosterone billowing from the campaign have something to do with the fact that Trump is facing a woman? Just don’t forget who has the dick around here, people! Don’t forget who is the grabber and who is the pussy!
   
It might comfort Hillary Clinton to remember that she is not the first woman politician to have had career trouble because of the men in her life when she got too close to the White House. In 1984, Geraldine Ferraro, Walter Mondale’s running mate and the first woman vice-presidential candidate from a major party, faced an investigation by a House ethics panel stemming from complaints made by the Washington Legal Foundation, a right-wing legal organization, that she had violated a congressional ethics law by not disclosing her husband’s financial information. The inquiry revealed that Ferraro had more money than her regular-Queens-mom image suggested—she wasn’t just a dumb housewife who somehow got into Congress; she was a rich dumb housewife. (After the election, the committee found that while she had indeed violated the law, she had done so unintentionally, and, noting that other members of the House had acted similarly, recommended no censure.) Her campaign was scandalized again when news broke that one of her husband’s companies had rented out space to a porn distributor. (This was before porn was cool.) And then there were the usual misogynist slurs and crudities: Ferraro was ambitious and unqualified, a man-hater and a criminal. Barbara Bush called her “rhymes with rich” and George H.W. Bush, her vice-presidential opponent, boasted after a debate that he had “kicked a little ass.” The all-male Catholic hierarchy treated her with contempt: Unlike her fellow pro-choice Catholic Mario Cuomo, she was pointedly not invited to the Al Smith dinner when her running mate couldn’t attend.   

Since this is my last column before the election, I’m trying mightily to wring something positive out of the sorry fact that in 2016, one candidate is an open enemy of women’s rights and progress and is currently winning the support of a majority of white male voters. Maybe we’ve seen so much sexism because the truth is out: As antifeminists always feared, women really are men’s equal. The phallus is all men have, so they have to wave it whenever they can. Trump the bitch! Hillary has everything a male pol is supposed to have: brains, experience, money, organization, devoted followers, a thick skin, and, yes, stamina. Furthermore, she’s not the only woman who can make that claim. It’s harder these days to dismiss a woman by suggesting she’s ignorant of policy and lacks credentials. So, suddenly, policy is boring, credentials are boring—as so often happens, when women get something, it no longer matters. But power always matters. That’s what Phallus and his sidekicks are afraid of. Go, warrior princess!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2016, 03:03:39 PM
 As in some ancient myth, Hillary Clinton, warrior princess, could only succeed in her quest for the kingdom by vanquishing Phallus, the many-headed god of male sexual craziness. First she had to defeat the ghost of Bill Clinton, and that wasn’t so hard because Bill was a popular politician even when his sins were fresh in public memory; now he was old and his sins were too. Then there was the giant, Donald of the tiny hands, and he helped vanquish himself by being too gross and proud of it even for many in his own party. It was all going so well—her campaign was even thinking of venturing into seriously red places like Arizona just for the heck of it—when, a mere 11 days before the election, up popped a ridiculous troll: Anthony Weiner, the irrepressible dick-pic-sending long-disgraced estranged husband of Huma Abedin, Hillary’s aide and friend. For some reason, Abedin and Weiner may have shared a laptop, on which there may have been both Weiner’s sexts, possibly to an underage girl in North Carolina, and e-mails to or from Abedin that may have something to do with Hillary’s State Department correspondence. We know all this because James Comey, the Republican who heads the FBI, ignored Department of Justice protocol and told Congress he was investigating the matter, although he was unable to say what the matter was or when he would know. By the time you read this, the whole thing may have blown over. Or not. Meanwhile, what have we learned so far?

1. If you are a woman in politics, don’t get married.   

2. If you are a married woman in politics, get a divorce. Better still, become a widow. All the perks of marriage and none of the risks.   

3. Whether or not you are in politics, do not share a laptop with your husband, especially if he is a pervert. Believe me, you don’t want to know!   

4. If you are a Democratic president, do not give important jobs to Republicans, especially jobs having to do with manly stuff like law, order, war, and guns. You won’t win brownie points with the opposition; you’ll only reinforce the notion that Democrats are girly men.   


Hillary Clinton is not the first woman politican to have career trouble because of the men in her life. 

I’m not the only person to have noticed that the campaign of the first woman to run for president from a major party has ended up being all about men behaving badly. Just look at Trump’s campaign: former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, accused of manhandling a woman reporter at a rally in March; the unspeakable Roger Ailes, forced out as head of Fox News after multiple women came forward with credible charges of harassment and abuse, now a campaign adviser; Breitbart chairman Stephen Bannon, the current campaign CEO, charged with domestic violence in 1996; surrogates Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich, proud adulterers and huge hypocrites. It’s as if hating women, being accused of sex crimes, and being a terrible husband are job qualifications. (And maybe that’s not the only place it’s a plus on your résumé: After he left the Trump campaign, CNN snapped Lewandowski right up.) But then this is Trump, who boasted about the size of his penis in a primary debate, which has to be a first. Could the clouds of testosterone billowing from the campaign have something to do with the fact that Trump is facing a woman? Just don’t forget who has the dick around here, people! Don’t forget who is the grabber and who is the pussy!
   
It might comfort Hillary Clinton to remember that she is not the first woman politician to have had career trouble because of the men in her life when she got too close to the White House. In 1984, Geraldine Ferraro, Walter Mondale’s running mate and the first woman vice-presidential candidate from a major party, faced an investigation by a House ethics panel stemming from complaints made by the Washington Legal Foundation, a right-wing legal organization, that she had violated a congressional ethics law by not disclosing her husband’s financial information. The inquiry revealed that Ferraro had more money than her regular-Queens-mom image suggested—she wasn’t just a dumb housewife who somehow got into Congress; she was a rich dumb housewife. (After the election, the committee found that while she had indeed violated the law, she had done so unintentionally, and, noting that other members of the House had acted similarly, recommended no censure.) Her campaign was scandalized again when news broke that one of her husband’s companies had rented out space to a porn distributor. (This was before porn was cool.) And then there were the usual misogynist slurs and crudities: Ferraro was ambitious and unqualified, a man-hater and a criminal. Barbara Bush called her “rhymes with rich” and George H.W. Bush, her vice-presidential opponent, boasted after a debate that he had “kicked a little ass.” The all-male Catholic hierarchy treated her with contempt: Unlike her fellow pro-choice Catholic Mario Cuomo, she was pointedly not invited to the Al Smith dinner when her running mate couldn’t attend.   

Since this is my last column before the election, I’m trying mightily to wring something positive out of the sorry fact that in 2016, one candidate is an open enemy of women’s rights and progress and is currently winning the support of a majority of white male voters. Maybe we’ve seen so much sexism because the truth is out: As antifeminists always feared, women really are men’s equal. The phallus is all men have, so they have to wave it whenever they can. Trump the bitch! Hillary has everything a male pol is supposed to have: brains, experience, money, organization, devoted followers, a thick skin, and, yes, stamina. Furthermore, she’s not the only woman who can make that claim. It’s harder these days to dismiss a woman by suggesting she’s ignorant of policy and lacks credentials. So, suddenly, policy is boring, credentials are boring—as so often happens, when women get something, it no longer matters. But power always matters. That’s what Phallus and his sidekicks are afraid of. Go, warrior princess!


https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-has-one-more-badly-behaved-man-left-to-vanquish/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
I'm on the East Coast, NYC, and I am an early riser, and, in the words of Ric Flair, "That's why I live in the big house, on the big hill, on the big side of town."

And I'm having a hard time controlling my laughter after that picture Yamcha posted.

Keep doing what you are doing early in the morning and you are sure to find a room in the "big house".

BTW Yamcha's post is funny. Me being the clown (since it wasn't early morning for me) the laugh is on you all back in the states. Lick my nuts....suckers!


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 03, 2016, 03:17:47 PM
No, you can’t text your vote. But these fake ads tell Clinton supporters to do just that.
 

http://archive.is/kTwv9#selection-3323.0-3336.1 (http://archive.is/kTwv9#selection-3323.0-3336.1)

First things first: There is no such thing as voting by text message. Period. If you want to cast a ballot, you can vote at your polling station or vote absentee. That’s it.

But ads circulated on Twitter recently would have you believe otherwise.

Lifting imagery directly from Hillary Clinton’s campaign materials, the ads encourage supporters of the Democratic nominee to “vote early” and “vote from home” by texting their candidate’s name to a five-digit number.

“Save time. Avoid the line,” one reads.

“Vote early. Text ‘Hillary’ to 59925,” says another.

At least four such ads began making rounds on social media this week, each containing the Clinton campaign’s “H” logo and a line saying they were “paid for by Hillary for President.” Some featured images of Clinton that appear to be pulled from actual campaign marketing materials, while others showed a black woman and a Hispanic woman, in what may be an attempt to dupe to minority voters. One was written entirely in Spanish.




HAHAHAHA Trolls have been exposing the stupidity of Hillary supporters!



Trump and his band of idiots actually believe Clinton voters would fall for this. -Big backfire, the idiots voting for Trump send their votes in via Twitter along with their hero Trump the chump.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: mazrim on November 03, 2016, 04:04:50 PM
Trump and his band of idiots actually believe Clinton voters would fall for this.
Of course they would. They are voting for Hillary. Your argument defeats itself.

Keep voting based on your Lgbt agenda fella....
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 04, 2016, 07:44:03 AM
New York: Hillary +10*

D+15 sample. The population isn't D+15
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 04, 2016, 08:29:43 AM
How any of you estrogen filed douche bags could vote for this is unimaginable:




Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 04, 2016, 08:35:42 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
 (http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
Ex SEAL talking to Brietbart about a NYPD guy who told him Wienner and Huma are flipping and that Bill and Hillary went to Pedo Island and they found info about money laundering on the Laptop among all the other sleaze. DOJ is pushing back against the investigations.

"“They found State Department emails. They found a lot of other really damning criminal information, including money laundering, including the fact that Hillary went to this sex island with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Clinton went there more than 20 times. Hillary Clinton went there at least six times,” he said.

“The amount of garbage that they found in these emails, of criminal activity by Hillary, by her immediate circle, and even by other Democratic members of Congress was so disgusting they gave it to the FBI, and they said, ‘We’re going to go public with this if you don’t reopen the investigation and you don’t do the right thing with timely indictments,’” Prince explained.

“I believe – I know, and this is from a very well-placed source of mine at 1PP, One Police Plaza in New York – the NYPD wanted to do a press conference announcing the warrants and the additional arrests they were making in this investigation, and they’ve gotten huge pushback, to the point of coercion, from the Justice Department, with the Justice Department threatening to charge someone that had been unrelated in the accidental heart attack death of Eric Garner almost two years ago. That’s the level of pushback the Obama Justice Department is doing against actually seeking justice in the email and other related criminal matters,” Prince said.

“There’s five different parts of the FBI conducting investigations into these things, with constant downdrafts from the Obama Justice Department. So in the, I hope, unlikely and very unfortunate event that Hillary Clinton is elected president, we will have a constitutional crisis that we have not seen since, I believe, 1860,” Prince declared."
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 04, 2016, 08:36:06 AM
Keep voting based on your Lgbt agenda fella....

Truthfully, is this all you have?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 04, 2016, 08:38:14 AM
Truthfully, is this all you have?

Pretty sure there are hundreds of pages/threads that deal with more than just LBGTABC rights on here.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 04, 2016, 08:43:13 AM
Pretty sure there are hundreds of pages/threads that deal with more than just LBGTABC rights on here.

Yup!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: mazrim on November 04, 2016, 09:02:21 AM
Truthfully, is this all you have?
Nope, but it is all you have.


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 04, 2016, 09:16:52 AM
https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/11/04/info-from-inside-the-fec-the-democrats-may-rig-the-elections/ (https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/11/04/info-from-inside-the-fec-the-democrats-may-rig-the-elections/)

Guccifer 2.0: Info from inside the FEC: the Democrats may rig the elections



I’d like to warn you that the Democrats may rig the elections on November 8. This may be possible because of the software installed in the FEC networks by the large IT companies.

As I’ve already said, their software is of poor quality, with many holes and vulnerabilities.

I have registered in the FEC electronic system as an independent election observer; so I will monitor that the elections are held honestly.

I also call on other hackers to join me, monitor the elections from inside and inform the U.S. society about the facts of electoral fraud.


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 07, 2016, 09:53:45 AM
Dropping like a rock by the hour.  Down to 64.7. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Up to 68.5 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 07, 2016, 09:54:36 AM
Silver is projecting Republicans to keep the Senate.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 07, 2016, 10:11:38 AM
Silver is projecting Republicans to keep the Senate.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

YES!

But something just isn't adding up to me...

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 07, 2016, 10:14:46 AM
YES!

But something just isn't adding up to me...



Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 07, 2016, 10:15:20 AM
Clinton calls off Election Night fireworks

http://nypost.com/2016/11/07/clinton-calls-off-election-night-fireworks/ (http://nypost.com/2016/11/07/clinton-calls-off-election-night-fireworks/)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 07, 2016, 10:16:20 AM
Still isn't adding up to me.... Is Hillary going to out perform Obama in those states?

(https://i.snag.gy/7ubLCY.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 07, 2016, 10:19:09 AM
Quote
“I believe – I know, and this is from a very well-placed source of mine at 1PP, One Police Plaza in New York – the NYPD wanted to do a press conference announcing the warrants and the additional arrests they were making in this investigation, and they’ve gotten huge pushback, to the point of coercion, from the Justice Department, with the Justice Department threatening to charge someone that had been unrelated in the accidental heart attack death of Eric Garner almost two years ago. That’s the level of pushback the Obama Justice Department is doing against actually seeking justice in the email and other related criminal matters,” Prince said.

I understand we've got a serious problem and cannot deny something very disturbing is happening, but they should let this guy rest in peace.  He's not the example to use.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 07, 2016, 10:23:36 AM


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: polychronopolous on November 07, 2016, 10:25:40 AM
Still isn't adding up to me.... Is Hillary going to out perform Obama in those states?

(https://i.snag.gy/7ubLCY.jpg)

Pennsylvania has been a fools gold proposition over the past couple decades for republican candidates but with a low black turnout and a strong blue collar union turnout that hasn't been seen in years he could potentially flip it and if he does the race is most likely over at that point.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 07, 2016, 02:29:32 PM
https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/11/04/info-from-inside-the-fec-the-democrats-may-rig-the-elections/ (https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/11/04/info-from-inside-the-fec-the-democrats-may-rig-the-elections/)

Guccifer 2.0: Info from inside the FEC: the Democrats may rig the elections



I’d like to warn you that the Democrats may rig the elections on November 8. This may be possible because of the software installed in the FEC networks by the large IT companies.

As I’ve already said, their software is of poor quality, with many holes and vulnerabilities.

I have registered in the FEC electronic system as an independent election observer; so I will monitor that the elections are held honestly.

I also call on other hackers to join me, monitor the elections from inside and inform the U.S. society about the facts of electoral fraud.




You are so deep in this, you may drown. Get a grip!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Howard on November 07, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Trump and his band of idiots actually believe Clinton voters would fall for this. -Big backfire, the idiots voting for Trump send their votes in via Twitter along with their hero Trump the chump.

It's all over the place.

Heard tales of dems fooling TRump voters by saying you could vote at the Wal-mart counter.
A Trump vote is automatically cast with every duck call purchased on Nov 8.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 07, 2016, 03:07:11 PM
You are so deep in this, you may drown. Get a grip!

I'd rather drown in my hope than have my head in the sand.

 :-*
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 07, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
Clinton calls off Election Night fireworks

http://nypost.com/2016/11/07/clinton-calls-off-election-night-fireworks/ (http://nypost.com/2016/11/07/clinton-calls-off-election-night-fireworks/)

It's that vaunted Hillary good judgement, scheduling a series of loud explosions in Manhattan on the night of a Presidential Election. It's not like it's a time when there's a better than average change of terrorism.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 07, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
Larry Sabato's final prediction is Hillary landslide win.

Table 1: Crystal Ball 2016 election projections
(http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/content/images/2016_cb_final_calls.png)


THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE

Map 1: Crystal Ball Electoral College projection
(http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/content/images//2016_11_07_pres_600.png)


THE SENATE

Map 2: Crystal Ball Senate projection
(http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/content/images//2016_11_07_pres_600.png)

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/our-final-2016-picks/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 07, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Awhile ago, I stopped looking at Google News because it was so obviously biased.

Having just briefly gone over the latest batch of Wiki Podesta Emails, I saw one in which Google CEO Eric Schmitt wanted to meet with Podesta. There's also one in which Soros wanted to meet with him.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 07, 2016, 05:38:47 PM
Awhile ago, I stopped looking at Google News because it was so obviously biased.

Having just briefly gone over the latest batch of Wiki Podesta Emails, I saw one in which Google CEO Eric Schmitt wanted to meet with Podesta. There's also one in which Soros wanted to meet with him.

I don't blame you.  There is an extreme bias infecting the MSM.  The sad part about it is people who only get their news from one source, or don't follow the news closely, don't realize how badly they are being manipulated. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on November 07, 2016, 05:39:29 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/11/06/daily-caller-exclusive-virginia-gov-pardons-60000-felons-enough-swing-election


Virginia Gov. Pardons 60,000 Felons, Enough to Swing Election
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 07, 2016, 05:49:49 PM
I don't blame you.  There is an extreme bias infecting the MSM.  The sad part about it is people who only get their news from one source, or don't follow the news closely, don't realize how badly they are being manipulated. 

I remember hearing an interview with a defector from the Old Soviet Union.

He said people there didn't read the Pravda for the news, but for the Party Line. Wikileaks has shown that it's no different, here.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 07, 2016, 05:51:51 PM
I remember hearing an interview with a defector from the Old Soviet Union.

He said people there didn't read the Pravda for the news, but for the Party Line. Wikileaks has shown that it's no different, here.

Sad but true.   :-\
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 07, 2016, 06:02:53 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/11/06/daily-caller-exclusive-virginia-gov-pardons-60000-felons-enough-swing-election


Virginia Gov. Pardons 60,000 Felons, Enough to Swing Election

Disturbing. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 07, 2016, 06:34:09 PM
Good summary.  Nobody really knows.  The answer is coming soon.

Why Nobody Has Any Idea What Will Happen Tuesday
Posted on November 7, 2016
by Keith Koffler

Don’t listen to pollsters. Don’t listen to people who can feel what’s happening on the ground. Don’t listen to anybody. If anything, trust your own gut, because you have as much idea as anyone what will happen Tuesday.

As I’ve watched and analyzed this race, I’ve come to the conclusion that there are just too many variables in play this year for anyone to make a serious prediction.

Even in normal years, the lack of foreknowledge can be striking. In 2004, John Kerry was certain, early on Tuesday evening, that he was going to win. In 2012, Mitt Romney was pretty certain of the same thing, also early Tuesday evening. Not Monday. Tuesday.

You know, President John Kerry and President Mitt Romney.

Let’s start with the polls.

I don’t think pollsters have figured out how to conduct surveys in the modern era. The golden days of calling everybody at home on the landline are long gone. Two new variables have been introduced — cell phones and online responses. I don’t think pollsters understand yet how to weigh these factors, which are constantly evolving as people’s habits continually change, and those with the oldest approach to technology die off while young adults who don’t even know what a landline looks like come of age. That’s one reason the polls are literally all over the place, sometimes even 15-20 points apart.

Anyway, even if you believe the polls, they show a very close race with a slight Clinton advantage. But so many big states are tossups, including Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and perhaps Michigan, which leans Clinton, and Ohio, which leans Trump. Beyond that, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado, and possibly Iowa, which leans Trump, and New Mexico, which leans Clinton, are tossups. And maybe even a few others.

It’s true, more tossups have to break Trump’s way. But it’s still crazy close. Nate Silver, perhaps the nation’s best political prognosticator, gives Trump and a one in three chance to win.

But these polls mean little for other reasons. First of all, we don’t know how many people are lying when they say they don’t support Trump, particularly those in the undecided column. Lots of people don’t want to admit they back Trump. Clinton, for all her extraordinarily negative features, is generally held as the more socially acceptable choice. You support Trump, and a woman is on the phone asking you who you will vote for. What do you say? Proabably, you say you will support him. But maybe you don’t.

We also have no idea about voter turnout. Clinton and the Democrats no doubt have a well-oiled, superior ground game. But is it as good as Obama’s? I doubt it. A good ground game requires get-out-the-vote volunteers who love their candidate. Nobody loves Hillary except Chelsea and Huma.

How good the GOP ground game will be is anyone’s guess. And, balancing Hillary’s organizational muscle is what seems to be more passion among Trump voters. Will still-furious Sanders voters turn out in the needed numbers for Clinton? Will African Americans?

Nobody knows the answers to these questions. The answers could cause dramatic shifts to the poll numbers we see.

I believe this election could end up deadlocked, with recounts, lawyers, and even civil unrest. Or Clinton could win in a landslide. Or, yes, Trump could win in a landslide.

We simply do not know.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2016/11/07/idea-happen-tuesday/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 07, 2016, 06:43:50 PM
Disturbing. 

He's pissing himself at the thought of Trump winning and Rudy Giuliani being named special prosecutor.

He helped funnel money to the wife of the guy who led the email investigation. She received funding for her campaign from a Clinton PAC.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
(https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14925482_685246768311466_8556859491680660324_n.jpg?oh=7bcd1549e36b02302ea554efeddc283c&oe=5894DAEA)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 08, 2016, 08:23:57 AM
Of course Philly would cause problems

(https://i.sli.mg/8MUnv1.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 08, 2016, 08:25:30 AM
Google is in the business of meddling.  Real creeps.

Google search results can influence an election

Google long ago went from being a mere directory of the internet to a shaper of online reality, helping determine what we see and how. But what power does Google have over the "real" world – and especially the volatile one of closely contested elections?

Psychologist Robert Epstein has been researching this question and says he is alarmed at what he has discovered. His most recent experiment, the findings of which were released on Monday, found that search engines have the potential to profoundly influence voters without them noticing the impact. Epstein has coined a term for this power: Search Engine Manipulation Effect, with the acronym SEME.

Epstein, former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today and a vocal critic of Google, has not produced evidence that this or any other search engine has intentionally deployed this power. But the new experiment builds on his earlier work by measuring SEME in the concrete setting of India's national election, for which voting concluded on Monday.

With a group of more than 1800 study participants – all undecided voters in India – the research team was able to shift votes by an average of 12.5 per cent to favoured candidates by deliberately altering the rankings in search results, Epstein said. There were also increases in the likelihood of voting and in measurements of trust for the preferred candidates, and there were decreases in the willingness to support rivals. Fewer than 1 of every 100 participants, meanwhile, detected the manipulation in the results.

"It confirms that in a real election, you can really shift voter preferences really dramatically," said Epstein, now a senior research psychologist for the American Institute for Behavioural Research and Technology, a non-profit group based in California, which conducted the study.

Sceptics of Epstein's previous work, which was presented at last year's meeting of the Association of Psychological Science, noted that voters typically have a range of information sources beyond what search engines provide and are swayed by other factors, such as party allegiances, potent issues and ethnic and religious affiliations.
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Besides, these sceptics have said, operators of major search engines, including Microsoft and Yahoo, have incentives to avoid even the appearance of manipulating elections given the fierce backlash that would result from discovery.

Google officials, in response to Epstein's latest research, said: "Providing relevant answers has been the cornerstone of Google's approach to search from the very beginning. It would undermine people's trust in our results and company if we were to change course."

Epstein's previous study measured the ability of a fictitious search engine called "Kadoodle" to influence impressions of research subjects in California about candidates in the Australian federal election – something the subjects presumably knew little about.

For the new study, Epstein's team used advertisements to recruit undecided voters for India's national election, encouraging them to sign on to a web portal. After answering some general questions, the subjects were presented with the Kadoodle search engine and encouraged to query information on the major candidates in the election: Rahul Gandhi, Narendra Modi and Arvind Kejriwal.

But Kadoodle was rigged. Each of the subjects was randomly assigned to a group favouring one of the candidates. The top 10 links Kadoodle produced all featured web pages favouring that candidate; favourable links to the other two candidates, meanwhile, fell to the bottom of the search results. After viewing the search results, typically for 10 or 11 minutes, the subjects were queried on their voting preferences.

Among the group shown pro-Gandhi rankings, his support increased by 26.5 per cent. For Kejriwal, the increase was 11.3 per cent, for Modi 9.1 per cent. Each experimental group was the same size, in part to minimise any potential effect on the election itself.

Some outside experts agree that a dominant search engine such as Google does have extraordinary power to alter how people and events are viewed. Fewer are convinced that anyone in a position to deploy this power would do so.

"It could potentially turn an election around," said Panagiotis T. Metaxas, a Wellesley College computer science professor who has studied search engine manipulation. "Humans are very manipulable ... Advertisement is really the science of doing that."

Metaxas has also studied how Google has displayed search results in elections dating back to 2008. He concludes that the company is well aware of the potential for creating bias among voters and works to prevent that by standardising how it displays results, with the most prominent links to candidates' own web pages and entries on Wikipedia.

He also is sceptical of potential government efforts to regulate how search engines present their results, which according to some legal experts enjoy First Amendment protection in the United States – just as a newspaper editor's decision about what to put on the front page would.

Epstein, whose research into this subject started after a run-in with Google in 2012, said even without deliberate manipulation, search engines tend to favour frontrunners by featuring links that are popular, creating a snowball effect that could benefit candidates who initially have only a small edge in popular support. There is evidence that such an effect has favoured Modi in the Indian election, Epstein said.

"Even if you're not doing it deliberately, you are driving votes," he said. "They are running a system that is determining the outcome of elections."
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 08, 2016, 10:05:39 AM
Defacing the grave of Susan B. Anthony in the name of Hillary Clinton.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMjeB75A453/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BMjeB75A453/)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 10:07:38 AM
Up to 68.5 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast

Up to 71.4 percent. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 10:08:25 AM
Silver is projecting Republicans to keep the Senate.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

A dead heat with Democrats favored by 50.7 percent.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 10:10:38 AM
Final prediction by Silver:

Despite what you might think, we haven’t been trying to scare anyone with these updates. The goal of a probabilistic model is not to provide deterministic predictions (“Clinton will win Wisconsin”) but instead to provide an assessment of probabilities and risks. In 2012, the risks to to Obama were lower than was commonly acknowledged, because of the low number of undecided voters and his unusually robust polling in swing states. In 2016, just the opposite is true: There are lots of undecideds, and Clinton’s polling leads are somewhat thin in swing states. Nonetheless, Clinton is probably going to win, and she could win by a big margin.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-election-update-theres-a-wide-range-of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 10:15:45 AM
Almost every national poll has Hillary ahead, except the LA Times and this one, which was the most accurate poll in 2012:

Trump Holds 2-Point Lead Over Clinton As Election Day Arrives: Final IBD/TIPP Poll Results
JOHN MERLINE

As voters go to the actual polls to cast their ballots in what has been an unprecedented presidential election, Republican Donald Trump held onto a 2-point lead over his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton — 45% to 43% — in a four-way matchup, according to the final IBD/TIPP presidential tracking poll. Libertarian Gary Johnson captures 8% support from likely voters, while Green Party candidate Jill Stein gets 2%.

. . . .

http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-holds-2-point-lead-over-clinton-as-election-day-arrives-final-ibd-tipp-poll-results/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 08, 2016, 10:29:21 AM
Trump takes +6 lead in final Reuters presidential poll

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_26/filters/LIKELY:1/dates/20160801-20161126/type/day (http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_26/filters/LIKELY:1/dates/20160801-20161126/type/day)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 08, 2016, 10:35:52 AM
This feels way better than 2008 or 2012.   Go trump. !   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 08, 2016, 10:38:30 AM
Trump takes +6 lead in final Reuters presidential poll

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_26/filters/LIKELY:1/dates/20160801-20161126/type/day (http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_26/filters/LIKELY:1/dates/20160801-20161126/type/day)

HUGE swing in the final week!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 10:49:40 AM
WOW! HILLARY SUPPORT CRASHES IN REUTERS LIKELY TURNOUT POLL=> Down 8 Pts. in 4 Days to 36%

(http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/hillary-collapse-reuters.jpg)

Democratic Party presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s support has nosedived in the three days leading up to election day.

Hillary Clinton is down to 35.9 percent of likely voters in the Reuters five day rolling poll.

LOOK AT THIS REUTERS TREND LINE!

HILLARY SUPPORT HAS COLLAPSED – IN FOUR DAYS!


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/wow-hillary-support-crashes-reuters-likely-turnout-poll-36-percent/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 08, 2016, 10:51:38 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwwZ2hBW8AEZVgG.jpg:small)

RCP just turned Florida red...

Shit is going to be so interesting tonight. C'mon New Hampshire.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 10:53:23 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 08, 2016, 10:53:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwwZ2hBW8AEZVgG.jpg:small)

RCP just turned Florida red...

Shit is going to be so interesting tonight. C'mon New Hampshire.

I like the chances in NH. That's Bernie country. Dems, there, hate Hillary. Remember the Primary numbers?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 08, 2016, 10:55:41 AM
Some really big and respected polls starting to turn. Nobody wants to be wrong now...time to fess up.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 08, 2016, 10:57:38 AM
NH Dem Primary: 86/14 for Bernie.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 08, 2016, 10:58:33 AM
Nate Silver hedging his predictions now saying that there are too many independent voters and that may throw things off. My guess is a lot of people voting Trump but not admitting it.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 08, 2016, 11:41:11 AM
Drain the swamp !
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on November 08, 2016, 01:57:45 PM
Trump has a HUGE uphill battle..

Electoral College + Majority of Americans are brain dead sheep = Easy Hildog victory


Not even taking into account illegals or rigged voting
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
I don't think anyone (including Nate Silver) really has a good handle on how this will play out. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on November 08, 2016, 02:08:16 PM
No, it's an absolute hysterical joke. You need 270 votes to win, California alone can provide 55 of those. Add Texas, NY, Illinois and Pennsylvania and you get 191. That's 5 out of 50 states that can bring a candidate close to victory.

Open borders, bring in illegals (who always vote [illegally] democrat), fill the big voting states and simultaneously push out the whites, change the vote of their representatives, and so forth.

The states in this country that are still heavily white i.e. Montana (90% white) only have 3 electors.

It's a pretty obvious scam. Just the fact that Trump even stands a chance shows you something.

It does NOT work when there is no nation, California is practically it's own Mexican 'republic' now who has the biggest say in what happens to the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 02:12:43 PM
No, it's an absolute hysterical joke. You need 270 votes to win, California alone can provide 55 of those. Add Texas, NY, Illinois and Pennsylvania and you get 191. That's 5 out of 50 states that can bring a candidate close to victory.

Open borders, bring in illegals (who always vote [illegally] democrat), fill the big voting states and simultaneously push out the whites, change the vote of their representatives, and so forth.

The states in this country that are still heavily white i.e. Montana (90% white) only have 3 electors.

It's a pretty obvious scam. Just the fact that Trump even stands a chance shows you something.

It does NOT work when there is no nation, California is practically it's own Mexican 'republic' now who has the biggest say in what happens to the rest of the country.

California has about 39 million people, so having 55 electoral votes isn't crazy.  Doesn't surprise me that the places where a significant portion of the population lives have a greater impact on the election. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 02:29:11 PM
https://twitter.com/welovetrump/status/796071683958439937
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 02:30:16 PM
https://twitter.com/welovetrump/status/796071683958439937

lol   :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 02:31:39 PM
Trump takes 32-25 lead in New Hampshire after midnight voting

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/trump-takes-32-25-lead-in-new-hampshire-after-midnight-voting/349662501
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 08, 2016, 04:03:23 PM
Polls had Trump winning Indiana by 11. He's up by 35 and the state has already been called for Trump. Good start.

Trump up by 11 in NH
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 04:06:49 PM
Nate Silver 6:53 PM

How important is Florida? (Polls in the eastern part of the state close in a few minutes.) If Clinton wins it, her probability of winning the Electoral College would shoot up to 93 percent from 71 percent, according to our election night model. And if Trump were to win it, his chances would increase to 59 percent from 29 percent.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 08, 2016, 04:09:39 PM
Nate Silver 6:53 PM

How important is Florida? (Polls in the eastern part of the state close in a few minutes.) If Clinton wins it, her probability of winning the Electoral College would shoot up to 93 percent from 71 percent, according to our election night model. And if Trump were to win it, his chances would increase to 59 percent from 29 percent.


They just showed him up by 30 in Florida.

Holy Shit!!!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 08, 2016, 04:13:39 PM
Rubio winning by 40 in Florida.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 04:14:04 PM
They just showed him up by 30 in Florida.

Holy Shit!!!

Up by 30 percent?  That can't be right.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 08, 2016, 04:22:28 PM
I don't think anyone (including Nate Silver) really has a good handle on how this will play out. 

I agree.  IMO he knows if he gets it, it'll have been a somewhat lucky shot.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 08, 2016, 04:25:08 PM
Up by 30 percent?  That can't be right.  

It was only 1%, but he's still winning.

Trump winning in VA, too.

It's definitely a good start.

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 08, 2016, 04:30:00 PM
I wonder if Silver was doing probability percentages during the last election, or if he started that just to hedge himself or what.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on November 08, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
Read all about it tomorrow....


Today!!



(http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/files/2016/11/newsweek.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 04:47:37 PM
Nate Silver 7:42 PM

Democrat Evan Bayh, whose position tumbled in the polls of the U.S. Senate campaign in Indiana, is trailing Republican Todd Young by 15 points based on returns so far. The Democratic-leaning parts of Indiana haven’t reported much vote yet, so his position will improve. Still, Republican chances of winning the Senate will shoot up to 68 percent if Indiana is called for Young in our election night model.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: timfogarty on November 08, 2016, 05:25:32 PM
prediction: she will be offically reffered to as President Rodham-Clinton
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: JackScribber on November 08, 2016, 05:27:41 PM
Trump getting his ass kicked in NC.

One of True Anus' '100% guaranteed Trump' states.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 08, 2016, 05:47:03 PM
Read all about it tomorrow....


Today!!



(http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/files/2016/11/newsweek.jpg)

That's a common practice to prepare in advance.  Meaning they'll have already created something for any outcome.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: gmflex on November 08, 2016, 05:59:22 PM
Trump getting his ass kicked in NC.

One of True Anus' '100% guaranteed Trump' states.


Adonis..
Will back pedal with a copy paste thread... ;D
Saying how his numbers were accurate...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: MCWAY on November 08, 2016, 06:01:18 PM
Trump getting his ass kicked in NC.

One of True Anus' '100% guaranteed Trump' states.

At last check, Clinton was up 49-48 with 66% reporting.

That doesn't sound like an @$$-kicking to me.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 08, 2016, 06:02:08 PM
That's a common practice to prepare in advance.  Meaning they'll have already created something for any outcome.


Except they only made one mass printed issue in this case.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 08, 2016, 06:05:16 PM
This is a pretty good dashboard for early results:

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on November 08, 2016, 06:16:44 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/elections
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 06:20:46 PM
Here is a good one too: 

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-election-results/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 08, 2016, 06:24:56 PM
Rachel Maddow is starting in with the rationalizations, a sure sign of Libs in deep shit.

I'm expecting to see tears soon.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 08, 2016, 07:00:18 PM
Trump has a HUGE uphill battle..

Electoral College + Majority of Americans are brain dead sheep = Easy Hildog victory


Not even taking into account illegals or rigged voting

There is nothing better than a bunch of sheep taking over the wannabe foxes.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 08, 2016, 07:03:11 PM
Rachel Maddow is starting in with the rationalizations, a sure sign of Libs in deep shit.

I'm expecting to see tears soon.

For your sake, I hope you are right. You seem to have a lot of emotions tied up in this game. For the sake of the U.S. I hope you are wrong. If you have any idea what Europeans are saying about this election, you'd hang your head in shame.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 08, 2016, 07:12:44 PM
For your sake, I hope you are right. You seem to have a lot of emotions tied up in this game. For the sake of the U.S. I hope you are wrong. If you have any idea what Europeans are saying about this election, you'd hang your head in shame.


What Europe thinks does not matter. It's our country. Thanks for the insight into the progressive mind.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 08, 2016, 07:14:39 PM
GOTRUMP!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 07:16:49 PM
Michigan has not gone republican in almost 30 years and Trump is up so far!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: doison on November 08, 2016, 07:17:47 PM
For your sake, I hope you are right. You seem to have a lot of emotions tied up in this game. For the sake of the U.S. I hope you are wrong. If you have any idea what Europeans are saying about this election, you'd hang your head in shame.


Wait....no one mentioned the Europeans!  Can we re-vote now that we know what they're saying??
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Hypo on November 08, 2016, 07:18:01 PM
For your sake, I hope you are right. You seem to have a lot of emotions tied up in this game. For the sake of the U.S. I hope you are wrong. If you have any idea what Europeans are saying about this election, you'd hang your head in shame.

You mean the cuckold Europe that are stuffed anyway?

They will hopefully take a lesson about how pissed off people are about the establishment.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: loco on November 08, 2016, 07:19:57 PM
Trump's winning at the moment.  Come on, straight white males...you can do this.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on November 08, 2016, 07:23:19 PM

Wait....no one mentioned the Europeans!  Can we re-vote now that we know what they're saying??

Unfortunately not. Better luck next time.

In the event you were being sarcastic, let me remind you that the U.S. cannot make it alone. We need our allies.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 08, 2016, 07:24:38 PM
Libfags on suicide watch
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 07:26:51 PM
Trump won Ohio!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
Silver now giving Trump a 55 percent chance to win, and Republicans an 82 percent chance to keep the Senate.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 08, 2016, 07:31:02 PM
Unfortunately not. Better luck next time.

In the event you were being sarcastic, let me remind you that the U.S. cannot make it alone. We need our allies.



No, they need us. How did we get so far away from understanding that we are the most powerful country in the world? Previously the least corrupt and most moral country as well?

We are lions that have been led by donkeys.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 07:33:52 PM
TRUMP WINS FLORIDA
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 08, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
For your sake, I hope you are right. You seem to have a lot of emotions tied up in this game. For the sake of the U.S. I hope you are wrong. If you have any idea what Europeans are saying about this election, you'd hang your head in shame.

When I start the "Winners" thread, your services there are not required.

And tell your European butt buddies Thin Lizzy from Getbig says to go fuck yourselves.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Hypo on November 08, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
TRUMP WINS FLORIDA

Your avatar!  :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 07:55:47 PM
Trump is up in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 08, 2016, 07:58:18 PM
Your avatar!  :D

 ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: calfzilla on November 08, 2016, 09:10:36 PM
Libfags on suicide watch

My libtard friends on Facebook are already melting down, making excuses etc.  ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Royalty on November 08, 2016, 09:23:42 PM
I fell asleep, woke up....and went to CNN's website... and there was a huge picture of Trump. I was shocked to see all the states that Trump won. Wow
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Skeletor on November 08, 2016, 09:26:36 PM
Libfags on suicide watch

(http://liberaltears.net/wp-content/uploads/bfi_thumb/liberaltears-gun-oil-30oat94u1w8gmzzvni6uww.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: calfzilla on November 08, 2016, 09:26:59 PM
Liberals melting down.


Does anybody have any good Trump memes showing Trump giving the boot to SJWs and other undesirables?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Skeletor on November 08, 2016, 09:29:56 PM
Liberals melting down.


Does anybody have any good Trump memes showing Trump giving the boot to SJWs and other undesirables?

(https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.103304777.6508/flat,1000x1000,075,f.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: calfzilla on November 08, 2016, 10:00:57 PM
(https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.103304777.6508/flat,1000x1000,075,f.jpg)

LMAO! Yes stuff like that.  ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 09, 2016, 05:34:34 AM
(https://i.sli.mg/IQFZCg.jpg)

It didn't take very long for the truth about this election to shine through.

I've been preaching that the polls were weighted HEAVILY in favor of the democrats, even if Trump was ahead +1 or +2.

there was no way that Hillary was going to reach Obama numbers and surpass them. NO WAY!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 09, 2016, 05:35:59 AM
Nate Tinfoil

(https://i.sli.mg/NKB44l.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 09, 2016, 05:37:06 AM
My FB is blowing up w distraught libfags. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 09, 2016, 05:38:20 AM
1.3 Billion dollars spent on a failed campaign. Couldn't even buy a concession speech. Shame!

Trump was proven right once again. Hillary would be ready for a 3 am call. She left her supporters hanging last night just like she did Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi.

SAD!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 09, 2016, 06:18:01 AM
Breaking: For the first time in history, a white billionaire is moving into public housing recently abandoned by a black family.

 ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on November 09, 2016, 06:19:58 AM
Nate Tinfoil

(https://i.sli.mg/NKB44l.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

looks like 240
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 09, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
:D :D :D :D :D

(https://i.sli.mg/BfcMXv.jpg)

(https://i.redd.it/zh7eu7vv6mwx.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: TheGrinch on November 09, 2016, 07:57:05 AM
someone needs to make a video compilation of liberal media crying..... LOVE a youtube video like that
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 09, 2016, 07:58:46 AM
What an incredible outcome.  From the start of his campaign to the finish.  I hope Trump takes advantage of this opportunity and does the right thing.  His speech last night was a good start.  

The pollsters really got (another) black eye.  Whiffed.  Pretty much all of them except IBD and the LA Times.  

I did not vote for Trump, but the best part about this outcome is we are not sending Bill and Hillary back to the White House.  The corruption and greed that fuels them was not rewarded.  We can now hopefully close the chapter on the Clinton and Bush families.  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 09, 2016, 08:03:33 AM

Except they only made one mass printed issue in this case.

Ooops, that was dumb!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 09, 2016, 08:06:00 AM
What an incredible outcome.  From the start of his campaign to the finish.  I hope Trump takes advantage of this opportunity and does the right thing.  His speech last night was a good start.  

The pollsters really got (another) black eye.  Whiffed.  Pretty much all of them except IBD and the LA Times.  

I did not vote for Trump, but the best part about this outcome is we are not sending Bill and Hillary back to the White House.  The corruption and greed that fuels them was not rewarded.  We can now hopefully close the chapter on the Clinton and Bush families.  

100% agree.  And a special 'AGREE' on the last part.  It's worth it for that alone.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 09, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
Failed Polls Call Profession Into Question
Wednesday, 09 Nov 2016

The polls blew it.

U.S. survey companies and media organizations that collectively presaged a close Hillary Clinton victory now face an autopsy on how they got it so wrong after a year suffused by polls, aggregates of polls and even real-time projections of the vote on Election Day.

While the predictions gave some observers a soothing sense of certainty, actual voters still possessed the capacity to shock. Donald Trump’s commanding performance defied the final surveys of the American electorate, which broadly predicted a Clinton win of 2 to 4 percentage points.

“It’s harder and harder to poll today, to get a sample that looks like the electorate,” said Karlyn Bowman, a public opinion analyst at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. “We’ve seen epic fails.”

Tuesday’s results were just the latest high-profile predictive failure around the world, following on the heels of misleading surveys on the Colombia peace deal referendum this year and Greece’s bailout referendum in 2015. Surveys were rendered inaccurate by new forms of technology and communication and political questions unlike any seen in recent history. The inaccuracy called into question a basic gauge of sentiment used by politicians, citizens and financiers.

“The anger is stronger than any of us really expected," said Megan Greene, chief economist at Manulife Asset Management in Boston, which handles money for institutional investors such as pensions and foundations.

Missing Voters

In the U.S., questions linger about how to slice the electorate and how to weight under-represented demographics -- whether by ethnicity or location or political affiliation -- while Americans increasingly withdraw from survey participation and view pollsters themselves through a political lens.

Final tallies produced by CBS News, FiveThirtyEight, Fox News, Wall Street Journal-NBC News and Washington Post-ABC News all predicted a relatively safe 4-point win for Clinton. Only slightly less wrong were polls by Bloomberg Politics and New York Times’s Upshot, which estimated a Clinton victory by 3 points. Rasmussen Reports called for a 2-point Clinton triumph.

A few got it right: The Investor’s Business Daily-TechnoMetrica Market Intelligence poll and a tally by USC Dornsife-Los Angeles Times were among the rare outfits to call the election for Trump, by 2 and 3 points.

Peter Woolley, a professor of comparative politics at Fairleigh Dickinson University in Florham Park, New Jersey, said a key part of the difference between expectations and the results was that people simply expected surveys to be too precise. Woolley is a past director of the PublicMind polling institute at the university.

"Polling is a scientific method to arrive at an estimate," he said early Wednesday. "We tend to over-report the accuracy of the poll, and tend to forget very quickly that it’s an estimate within a range."

J. Ann Selzer, an Iowa pollster who conducts surveys for Bloomberg Politics, said her trade entered uncharted territory this year as it attempted to deal with the spread of wireless communication and a demographically volatile electorate.

"There was a lot of experimenting this year with the types of questions they were using, the types of methodologies they were using,” she said in an interview at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York. “There’s the continuing barrier of the lack of landlines, the erosion of landlines. In the old days, if we knew your landline phone number we knew where you lived and that was fantastic for pollsters. Now it’s very difficult."

Turning points in the race happened at poorly timed moments, she said.

"Day by day, things happened that would break the poll that was currently in the field,” she said. “Even since Sunday, when most polls were done, things changed."
 
Nobody Home

Pollsters have been dealing with a decline in participation for decades. The share of households that agreed to participate in a telephone survey by the Pew Research Center steadily dropped to 14 percent by 2012 from 43 percent in 1997.

When the phone is answered, many are unwilling to speak plainly.

“Let’s say you hold a controversial opinion,” said Greg Valliere, the Washington-based chief global strategist at Horizon Investments LLC, a Charlotte financial adviser. “Are you going to tell a complete stranger that calls you up at 8 in the evening, or will you keep it to yourself?”

Polls abound. For many media organizations, they serve not only as tools for their own use, but as calling cards and valuable franchises as the Internet erodes their authority and earning power. In recent years, statisticians such as Nate Silver, founder of ESPN’s FiveThirtyEight, have achieved a sort of nerdy celebrity.

Meanwhile, the grandfather of U.S. opinion polling, Washington-based Gallup Inc., has pulled back. Four years ago, Gallup endured its third polling defeat in four cycles and walked away from presidential horse-race polling altogether. An internal review found that four areas of the methodology contributed to the mistaken predictions: likely-voter estimates, regional representation, weighting of race and ethnicity, and outreach to landline-phone users.

Among high-profile failures this year were the Michigan Democratic primary and the Colombian peace deal.

In the March 8 primary, Clinton had been favored by about 20 points in surveys, only to lose to Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders by almost 20,000 votes. In Colombia, voters in October rejected a peace deal with rebels after several surveys in the prior week had predicted the referendum would pass by 60 percent or more.

At the same time, pollsters have gotten some relatively undeserved criticism. The U.K.’s June vote to leave the European Union, often called a surprise result, actually was largely deemed too close to call by opinion polls. While markets priced in a vote for "Remain," traditional tallies were much closer to the end result for a Brexit win.

Trump has been outspoken on polling results throughout the campaign, at times lauding those that project he has more support, while deriding others for shoddy methodology or bias.

“I do think a lot of the polls are purposely wrong,” he said Tuesday on Fox News. “I think a lot of the polls are phony -- I don’t even think they interview people.”

Bowman of the American Enterprise Institute said the every precept must be re-examined.

“I don’t think the business is particularly introspective, but it needs to be going forward,” she said. “This has been a business that’s told us so much about America. ... To lose that going forward would be a real problem.”

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/polls-fail-president-trump/2016/11/09/id/757890/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Las Vegas on November 09, 2016, 11:49:14 AM
^ It's like Paddy Power, who actually paid on Hillary win three weeks ago.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: calfzilla on November 09, 2016, 11:50:53 AM
When I start the "Winners" thread, your services there are not required.

And tell your European butt buddies Thin Lizzy from Getbig says to go fuck yourselves.

LOL!!!

Europeans can run along and play, Americans are doing grown up stuff!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 09, 2016, 04:47:50 PM
This would explain why she didn't give her concession speech last night. 

Ed Klein: Hillary Couldn't Stop Crying, Told Friend She Blames Comey and Obama For Loss
By Todd Beamon   |    Wednesday, 09 Nov 2016

Hillary Clinton "couldn't stop crying" once she learned of her loss to Donald Trump on Tuesday, best-selling conservative author Ed Klein told Newsmax TV on Wednesday.

"About 6:30 this morning she called an old friend," he began on "The Steve Malzberg Show" in an interview. "She was crying, inconsolably.

"She couldn't stop crying.

"Her friend said — her female friend from way, way, back — said that it was even hard to understand what she was saying, she was crying so hard.

"This is Hillary we're talking about," Klein said.

"Eventually," he continued, "her friend said she could make out that she was blaming James Comey, the director of the FBI, for her loss — and this I don't understand exactly — and the president of the United States for not doing enough."

Klein said his source then asked further about President Barack Obama.

"She said: 'Well, she felt, Hillary felt, that the president could have stopped Comey a long time ago, because that's what [former President] Bill [Clinton] said."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/ed-klein-hillary-clinton-crying-election/2016/11/09/id/758084/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Skeletor on November 09, 2016, 04:55:56 PM
This would explain why she didn't give her concession speech last night. 

Ed Klein: Hillary Couldn't Stop Crying, Told Friend She Blames Comey and Obama For Loss
By Todd Beamon   |    Wednesday, 09 Nov 2016

Hillary Clinton "couldn't stop crying" once she learned of her loss to Donald Trump on Tuesday, best-selling conservative author Ed Klein told Newsmax TV on Wednesday.

"About 6:30 this morning she called an old friend," he began on "The Steve Malzberg Show" in an interview. "She was crying, inconsolably.

"She couldn't stop crying.

"Her friend said — her female friend from way, way, back — said that it was even hard to understand what she was saying, she was crying so hard.

"This is Hillary we're talking about," Klein said.

"Eventually," he continued, "her friend said she could make out that she was blaming James Comey, the director of the FBI, for her loss — and this I don't understand exactly — and the president of the United States for not doing enough."

Klein said his source then asked further about President Barack Obama.

"She said: 'Well, she felt, Hillary felt, that the president could have stopped Comey a long time ago, because that's what [former President] Bill [Clinton] said."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/ed-klein-hillary-clinton-crying-election/2016/11/09/id/758084/

Hahaha, you mean the hideous crone didn't "power through"?

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 09, 2016, 05:03:12 PM
Hahaha, you mean the hideous crone didn't "power through"?



 ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 10, 2016, 09:29:57 AM
Trump won Wisconsin, a state Romney lost with Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan on the ticket.  A clear example of people voting the top of the ticket. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 10, 2016, 10:07:54 AM
This is too good:

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Howard on November 10, 2016, 10:40:12 AM
What an incredible outcome.  From the start of his campaign to the finish.  I hope Trump takes advantage of this opportunity and does the right thing.  His speech last night was a good start.  

The pollsters really got (another) black eye.  Whiffed.  Pretty much all of them except IBD and the LA Times.  

I did not vote for Trump, but the best part about this outcome is we are not sending Bill and Hillary back to the White House.  The corruption and greed that fuels them was not rewarded.  We can now hopefully close the chapter on the Clinton and Bush families.  

Great post and how I look at the current situation.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 10, 2016, 10:44:41 AM
Slate 2012 vs. Slate 2016

(https://i.sli.mg/N9oIGW.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: The True Adonis on November 12, 2016, 05:37:02 PM
prediction: she will be offically reffered to as President Rodham-Clinton
HAHAAHA Dumbass.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 14, 2016, 07:21:15 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ettfegolrlxx.jpg)(https://i.redd.it/q29wr7xwqlxx.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 14, 2016, 04:16:39 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ettfegolrlxx.jpg)(https://i.redd.it/q29wr7xwqlxx.jpg)

lol @ refund.   ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 15, 2016, 04:49:36 AM


 :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: calfzilla on November 15, 2016, 05:22:50 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 15, 2016, 07:14:23 AM
"Damn, glad this election is over. Can you grab my cigar?"

(https://i.sli.mg/9ETHOF.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 15, 2016, 08:06:52 AM
"Damn, glad this election is over. Can you grab my cigar?"

(https://i.sli.mg/9ETHOF.jpg)

What the . . . . ..
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: loco on November 15, 2016, 08:18:42 AM
"Damn, glad this election is over. Can you grab my cigar?"

(https://i.sli.mg/9ETHOF.jpg)

WTF?  Where's this from?  Is that really Bill?  LOL
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 15, 2016, 08:20:06 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 15, 2016, 08:23:59 AM
WTF?  Where's this from?  Is that really Bill?  LOL

What the . . . . ..

It's the photo 240 didn't want you to see!!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 15, 2016, 08:29:13 AM
It's the photo 240 didn't want you to see!!!!!!  :D

you should go troll liberals w it on FB
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: loco on November 15, 2016, 08:43:02 AM
"Damn, glad this election is over. Can you grab my cigar?"

Don't even wanna know where that cigar has been.   :-X
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2016, 06:12:51 AM
Jim Webb applauds Donald Trump, says election shows Democrats have lost white working class
Richmond Times Dispatch ^ | 11/15/2016 | GRAHAM MOOMAW
Posted on 11/17/2016, 9:06:10 AM by WayneS

As many Democrats cope with their shock and dismay at Donald Trump’s victory, former U.S. Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia on Tuesday saluted the president-elect, railed against elitism and accused his party of abandoning “white working people.”

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/article_632741ab-b3ec-546d-af5c-585d8c483e87.html

(Excerpt) Read more at richmond.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on November 27, 2016, 02:18:44 PM
Playing It Safe: Nate Silver Will Spend The Next Month Making Easy Predictions About Apples In Order To Get His Confidence Back

(http://images.onionstatic.com/clickhole/3315/9/16x9/640.jpg)

Silver announced his decision this week in his debut blog post for “Nate’s Orchard,” a special FiveThirtyEight vertical where he’ll be breaking down softball predictions like “There will be a bunch of apples at my supermarket” and “In addition to red apples, there are green apples.”

The poor guy definitely can’t afford to get overwhelmed by self-doubt when he’s breaking down battleground states district by district. By focusing entirely on uncontroversial, apple-related forecasting, he’ll hopefully prove to himself that he really does have the goods and isn’t just the “know-nothing dirt-for-brains” he says he is in his post.

Nate’s blog post also outlined some of the other claims he plans to advance, including the following:

    Apples make a good snack for the afternoon.
    One apple will not be enough to make Nate Silver full.
    No new species of apples will naturally arise before October.
    Ripe apples are soft, but not as soft as overripe apples.
    Apples can be cut into several slices, depending on how many times you slice them.
    Apples have seeds unless they’re seedless apples.
    Apples can be taken “on the go.”

The rest of the FiveThirtyEight staff has been nothing but supportive of Nate during his rough patch, and ESPN even released a statement backing his decision: “Nate is under a great deal of pressure to knock it out of the park this election, and he really wants to do a good job. We support what he needs to do to get his head back in the game.”

Sounds like Nate is doing just that, whether it’s recording his weekly AppleCast or making Core Tracker graphs like this one charting how many apples he’ll most likely eat every day:

(http://images.onionstatic.com/clickhole/3316/0/original/640.jpg)

 :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 27, 2016, 03:35:33 PM
That whackado jill stein stealing lib $ - hilarious to
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 30, 2016, 06:07:14 PM
Political Science Professor: Odds Of President Trump Range BETWEEN 97% AND 99%
ERIC OWENS
Education Editor
02/24/2016
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Donald Trump Getty Images/Spencer Platt   Donald Trump Getty Images/Spencer Platt

A political science professor who claims his statistical model has correctly predicted the results of every election in the last 104 years has forecast that the odds of Donald Trump becoming America’s next president currently range from 97 percent to 99 percent.

The professor is Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University, reports The Statesman, the campus newspaper at the public bastion on New York’s Long Island.

Specifically, Norpoth predicts that Trump has a 97 percent chance of beating Hillary Clinton and a 99 percent chance of beating Bernie Sanders.

The predictions assume Trump will actually become the 2016 presidential nominee of the Republican Party. (RELATED: Trump Has Never Voted In A Republican Primary)

Norpoth announced his prognostication on Monday night during Stony Brook Alumni Association event at the SUNY Global Center in Manhattan.

“The bottom line is that the primary model, using also the cyclical movement, makes it almost certain that Donald Trump will be the next president,” Norpoth said, according to The Statesman.

“When I started out with this kind of display a few months ago, I thought it was sort of a joke,” the professor told the alumni audience, according to the student newspaper. “Well, I’ll tell you right now, it ain’t a joke anymore.”

“Trump beats Hillary 54.7 percent to 45.3 percent” in terms of popular vote, Norpoth prophesied. (RELATED: From Immigration To Abortion, Longtime Democrat Donald Trump Must Reckon With His Rich Progressive History)

“This is almost too much to believe,” he told audience members described by the student as nervously laughing. But he is convinced his model won’t be wrong.

“Take it to the bank,” Norpoth confidently suggested.

Norpoth, a 1974 University of Michigan Ph.D. recipient who specializes in electoral behavior alignment, said his crystal ball also shows a 61-percent chance that the Republican nominee — Trump or not — will win the 2016 presidential election.

The political scientist also said there is virtually no way Trump could lose the Electoral College vote if he rakes in 54.7 percent — or more — of the vote.

Norpoth’s general election formula measures candidates’ performances in primaries in caucuses to gauge party unity and voter excitement. It also focuses on certain patterns in electoral cycles. One major assumption is that the party which has just held the presidency for two consecutive terms is less likely to win a third term.

The model has been correct for every election since 1912 except for the 1960 election — which pitted winner John F. Kennedy against loser Richard Nixon.
In total, Norpoth observed, his forecasting formula he has created has been correct 96.1 percent of the time since 1912.

The professor said he has used the model in recent times to predict Bill Clinton’s victories as well as George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s wins.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/24/political-science-professor-odds-of-president-trump-range-between-97-and-99/#ixzz41CcR4Vdp

 :o
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Skeletor on November 30, 2016, 06:22:12 PM
:o

Absurd. Watch this informed and accurate assessment:

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on November 30, 2016, 06:26:21 PM
Absurd. Watch this informed and accurate assessment:



Yeah I watched that one earlier.  Made me laugh out loud.   ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on December 05, 2016, 08:50:58 AM
 ;D ;D ;D

(https://i.redd.it/r4l136dbor1y.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on December 05, 2016, 09:00:53 AM
 :D :D

(https://i.reddituploads.com/ccadac3042f54b23938d0fb1f92ca7a2?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=c12d778846a0a74903e5bc6f0e4667b3)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on December 06, 2016, 08:30:04 AM
(https://i.reddituploads.com/96504a1077b743a182cdae69f09b84b4?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=a0dd17c70a2a8b73c8c16f58ac158cff)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Skeletor on December 06, 2016, 09:54:53 AM
:D :D

(https://i.reddituploads.com/ccadac3042f54b23938d0fb1f92ca7a2?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=c12d778846a0a74903e5bc6f0e4667b3)

Imagine the possibilities.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on December 06, 2016, 10:28:45 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on December 06, 2016, 10:40:02 AM
Over/Under on how long Trump puts up with Rhino Ryan's grandstanding...

(https://i.sli.mg/wDS6Ak.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: James on December 06, 2016, 10:50:55 AM
;D ;D ;D

(https://i.redd.it/r4l136dbor1y.jpg)

LOL
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2016, 01:28:31 PM
Election 2016

This Group of Rogue Electors Have a Plan to Stop Trump

The Constitution allows electors to vote their conscience. But don’t get your hopes up yet.

There’s a minor revolution brewing in the electoral college, the arcane 228-year-old institution that officially chooses the president. Over the past week, a small but increasingly vocal group of electors, alarmed by Donald Trump’s disregard for presidential norms, have begun calling on their colleagues to adopt their original Constitutional role as a check on the popular vote, disregarding the will of voters in their respective states and denying the billionaire businessman the 270 electoral votes he needs to assume the presidency.

On Monday night, Texas elector and longtime Republican Christopher Suprun announced in a New York Times op-ed that he would buck the voters of his state—as is his right under the Constitution as an elector—and cast his vote against Trump, possibly for Ohio governor John Kasich. “Alexander Hamilton provided a blueprint for states’ votes,” he wrote. “Federalist 68 argued that an Electoral College should determine if candidates are qualified, not engaged in demagogy, and independent from foreign influence. Mr. Trump shows us again and again that he does not meet these standards.

Tina Nguyen

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-rogues-trump-clinton-232195 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-rogues-trump-clinton-232195)

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/03/17/if-no-one-else-stops-trump-the-electoral-college-still-can-its-in-the-constitution/?utm_term=.5c7af651510d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/03/17/if-no-one-else-stops-trump-the-electoral-college-still-can-its-in-the-constitution/?utm_term=.5c7af651510d)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/larry-lessig-electors-trump-232231?cmpid=sf (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/larry-lessig-electors-trump-232231?cmpid=sf)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/presidential-electors-lawsuit-trump-232255 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/presidential-electors-lawsuit-trump-232255)
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Yamcha on December 06, 2016, 01:39:35 PM
Election 2016

This Group of Rogue Electors Have a Plan to Stop Trump

The Constitution allows electors to vote their conscience. But don’t get your hopes up yet.

There’s a minor revolution brewing in the electoral college, the arcane 228-year-old institution that officially chooses the president. Over the past week, a small but increasingly vocal group of electors, alarmed by Donald Trump’s disregard for presidential norms, have begun calling on their colleagues to adopt their original Constitutional role as a check on the popular vote, disregarding the will of voters in their respective states and denying the billionaire businessman the 270 electoral votes he needs to assume the presidency.

On Monday night, Texas elector and longtime Republican Christopher Suprun announced in a New York Times op-ed that he would buck the voters of his state—as is his right under the Constitution as an elector—and cast his vote against Trump, possibly for Ohio governor John Kasich. “Alexander Hamilton provided a blueprint for states’ votes,” he wrote. “Federalist 68 argued that an Electoral College should determine if candidates are qualified, not engaged in demagogy, and independent from foreign influence. Mr. Trump shows us again and again that he does not meet these standards.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com)

What stage of grief are we in? Bargaining?

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/181683.jpg)
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Skeletor on December 06, 2016, 01:44:34 PM
Election 2016

This Group of Rogue Electors Have a Plan to Stop Trump

The Constitution allows electors to vote their conscience. But don’t get your hopes up yet.

There’s a minor revolution brewing in the electoral college, the arcane 228-year-old institution that officially chooses the president. Over the past week, a small but increasingly vocal group of electors, alarmed by Donald Trump’s disregard for presidential norms, have begun calling on their colleagues to adopt their original Constitutional role as a check on the popular vote, disregarding the will of voters in their respective states and denying the billionaire businessman the 270 electoral votes he needs to assume the presidency.

On Monday night, Texas elector and longtime Republican Christopher Suprun announced in a New York Times op-ed that he would buck the voters of his state—as is his right under the Constitution as an elector—and cast his vote against Trump, possibly for Ohio governor John Kasich. “Alexander Hamilton provided a blueprint for states’ votes,” he wrote. “Federalist 68 argued that an Electoral College should determine if candidates are qualified, not engaged in demagogy, and independent from foreign influence. Mr. Trump shows us again and again that he does not meet these standards.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-rogues-trump-clinton-232195 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-rogues-trump-clinton-232195)

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/03/17/if-no-one-else-stops-trump-the-electoral-college-still-can-its-in-the-constitution/?utm_term=.5c7af651510d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/03/17/if-no-one-else-stops-trump-the-electoral-college-still-can-its-in-the-constitution/?utm_term=.5c7af651510d)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/larry-lessig-electors-trump-232231?cmpid=sf (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/larry-lessig-electors-trump-232231?cmpid=sf)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/presidential-electors-lawsuit-trump-232255 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/presidential-electors-lawsuit-trump-232255)

Which the political parties only complain about when they lose, but curiously enough, not when they win.
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2016, 02:03:34 PM
Which the political parties only complain about when they lose, but curiously enough, not when they win.

These electors are Republican.
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Yamcha on December 06, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
These electors are Republican.

With #NeverTrump listed under their name on Twitter  ::)

and funny that they believe it should be Kaisch to replace trump.... he and Jeb are yet to bend the knee; their political careers were wrecked beyond repair and they are bitter.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 06, 2016, 02:11:15 PM
They need to let it go already.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/06/anti-trumpers-trying-to-sow-chaos-in-electoral-college.html
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2016, 02:14:21 PM
With #NeverTrump listed under their name on Twitter  ::)

and funny that they believe it should be Kaisch to replace trump.... he and Jeb are yet to bend the knee; their political careers were wrecked beyond repair and they are bitter.

Is it they? Wasn't just one elector suggesting Kaisch replace Trump? Kaisch and Bush may indeed be bitter, but they aren't who is spearheading this idea.
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
What stage of grief are we in? Bargaining?

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/181683.jpg)

Who is we? Not me. I'm just reporting what I've read.
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Skeletor on December 06, 2016, 02:20:14 PM
These electors are Republican.

The quote in bold seems to have been written by Tina Nguyen from Vanity Fair. Would she have said the same if Hillary won more electoral college votes but not the popular vote? Similarly, the political parties try to place the blame on "the system" when they lose, but somehow when they win, they're fine with "the system".
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: calfzilla on December 06, 2016, 02:52:39 PM
Execute them if they fail to do their duty!
Title: Re: Election 2016 Change is in the wind
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2016, 03:25:27 PM
The quote in bold seems to have been written by Tina Nguyen from Vanity Fair. Would she have said the same if Hillary won more electoral college votes but not the popular vote? Similarly, the political parties try to place the blame on "the system" when they lose, but somehow when they win, they're fine with "the system".

This is why I listed Tina Nguyen's sources. She's just repeating what has already been said. She's not at the helm. What she thinks is irrelevant.

Donald Trump threaten to sue if he lost to HRC. Obviously, he'd have been a very sore loser.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/20/trump-throws-tantrum-threatens-sue-america-loses-election.html (http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/20/trump-throws-tantrum-threatens-sue-america-loses-election.html)  
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2016, 03:28:51 PM
Execute them if they fail to do their duty!

You should tweet this idea to #Trump.  ;)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: calfzilla on December 08, 2016, 05:44:48 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 12, 2016, 03:55:15 PM
Who are the dummies who paid for this??

Wisconsin Recount Ends, Trump Picks Up 162 Votes
by Breitbart News
12 Dec 2016
 
(AP) Republican Donald Trump’s victory in Wisconsin was reaffirmed Monday following a recount that showed him defeating Democrat Hillary Clinton by more than 22,000 votes.

Wisconsin finalized its recount on the same day that a federal judge issued a stinging rejection of a Green Party-backed request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania’s presidential election and scan some counties’ election systems for signs of hacking.

Green Party candidate Jill Stein successfully requested, and paid for, the Wisconsin recount while her attempts for similar statewide recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan were blocked by the courts. Stein only got about 1 percent of the vote in each of the states that Trump narrowly won on his way to the White House. She argued, without evidence, that voting machines in all three states were susceptible to hacking.

The numbers barely budged in Wisconsin after nearly 3 million votes were recounted. Trump picked up a net 162 votes and still won by more than 22,000 votes. The final results changed just 0.06 percent.

In Pennsylvania, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond said there were at least six grounds that required him to reject the Green Party’s lawsuit, which had been opposed by Trump, the Pennsylvania Republican Party and the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office.

Suspicion of a hacked Pennsylvania election “borders on the irrational” while granting the Green Party’s recount bid could “ensure that no Pennsylvania vote counts” given Tuesday’s federal deadline to certify the vote for the Electoral College, wrote Diamond, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, a Republican.

“Most importantly, there is no credible evidence that any ‘hack’ occurred, and compelling evidence that Pennsylvania’s voting system was not in any way compromised,” Diamond wrote. He also said the lawsuit suffered from a lack of standing, potentially the lack of federal jurisdiction and an “unexplained, highly prejudicial” wait before filing last week’s lawsuit, four weeks after the Nov. 8 election.

The decision was the Green Party’s latest roadblock in Pennsylvania after hitting numerous walls in county and state courts. Green Party-backed lawyers argue that it was possible that computer hackers changed the election outcome and that Pennsylvania’s heavy use of paperless machines makes it a prime target. Stein also contended that Pennsylvania has erected unconstitutional barriers to voters seeking a recount.

A lawyer for the Green Party said Monday they were disappointed and unable to immediately say whether they would appeal.

“But one thing is clear,” said the lawyer, Ilann Maazel. “The Pennsylvania election system is not fair to voters and voters don’t know if their votes counted, and that’s a very large problem.”

In Pennsylvania, Trump beat Clinton in Pennsylvania by about 44,000 votes out of 6 million cast.

A federal judge halted Michigan’s recount last week after three days. Trump won Michigan by fewer than 11,000 votes out of nearly 4.8 million votes cast.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/12/12/wisconsin-recount-ends-trump-picks-162-votes/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Skeletor on December 12, 2016, 05:00:07 PM
How much money did Stein gather for the recounts?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 12, 2016, 05:18:05 PM
How much money did Stein gather for the recounts?

Millions.  But what she really gained was a list of donors who she will mine for contributions in 2020.  Dirty politics. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on December 12, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
Who are the dummies who paid for this??

Wisconsin Recount Ends, Trump Picks Up 162 Votes
by Breitbart News
12 Dec 2016
 
(AP) Republican Donald Trump’s victory in Wisconsin was reaffirmed Monday following a recount that showed him defeating Democrat Hillary Clinton by more than 22,000 votes.

Wisconsin finalized its recount on the same day that a federal judge issued a stinging rejection of a Green Party-backed request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania’s presidential election and scan some counties’ election systems for signs of hacking.

Green Party candidate Jill Stein successfully requested, and paid for, the Wisconsin recount while her attempts for similar statewide recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan were blocked by the courts. Stein only got about 1 percent of the vote in each of the states that Trump narrowly won on his way to the White House. She argued, without evidence, that voting machines in all three states were susceptible to hacking.

The numbers barely budged in Wisconsin after nearly 3 million votes were recounted. Trump picked up a net 162 votes and still won by more than 22,000 votes. The final results changed just 0.06 percent.

In Pennsylvania, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond said there were at least six grounds that required him to reject the Green Party’s lawsuit, which had been opposed by Trump, the Pennsylvania Republican Party and the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office.

Suspicion of a hacked Pennsylvania election “borders on the irrational” while granting the Green Party’s recount bid could “ensure that no Pennsylvania vote counts” given Tuesday’s federal deadline to certify the vote for the Electoral College, wrote Diamond, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, a Republican.

“Most importantly, there is no credible evidence that any ‘hack’ occurred, and compelling evidence that Pennsylvania’s voting system was not in any way compromised,” Diamond wrote. He also said the lawsuit suffered from a lack of standing, potentially the lack of federal jurisdiction and an “unexplained, highly prejudicial” wait before filing last week’s lawsuit, four weeks after the Nov. 8 election.

The decision was the Green Party’s latest roadblock in Pennsylvania after hitting numerous walls in county and state courts. Green Party-backed lawyers argue that it was possible that computer hackers changed the election outcome and that Pennsylvania’s heavy use of paperless machines makes it a prime target. Stein also contended that Pennsylvania has erected unconstitutional barriers to voters seeking a recount.

A lawyer for the Green Party said Monday they were disappointed and unable to immediately say whether they would appeal.

“But one thing is clear,” said the lawyer, Ilann Maazel. “The Pennsylvania election system is not fair to voters and voters don’t know if their votes counted, and that’s a very large problem.”

In Pennsylvania, Trump beat Clinton in Pennsylvania by about 44,000 votes out of 6 million cast.

A federal judge halted Michigan’s recount last week after three days. Trump won Michigan by fewer than 11,000 votes out of nearly 4.8 million votes cast.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/12/12/wisconsin-recount-ends-trump-picks-162-votes/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

The dummies are the folks who supported Jill Stein's efforts with hard cash....or maybe not. Trump picked up votes. Isn't that a positive result?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on December 12, 2016, 06:36:49 PM
Millions.  But what she really gained was a list of donors who she will mine for contributions in 2020.  Dirty politics. 

Yes, but will these donors stay with her, considering the results?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 13, 2016, 05:35:34 PM
Yes, but will these donors stay with her, considering the results?

I'm sure a lot of them will.  A lot of partisans out there. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 19, 2016, 04:16:50 PM
Trump secures victory in Electoral College, as bid to flip electors flops
Published December 19, 2016
FoxNews.com
 
Donald Trump won the Electoral College vote on Monday and secured his election as the 45th president of the United States, as the latest – and perhaps last – stop-Trump movement failed to gain traction in state capitals.

A fervent push by anti-Trump forces to persuade electors to defect had turned the normally mundane civic procedure into high drama.

But Trump easily surpassed the 270 electoral votes needed to win, as representatives tabbed to cast ballots in accordance with their states’ Nov. 8 decision mostly adhered to the election results. With several states still voting, Trump had 304 votes and Hillary Clinton had 169.

Texas put Trump over the top, despite two Republican electors casting protest votes.

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence afterward tweeted "congratulations" to his running mate while saying he was "honored & humbled" to be officially elected the next vice president.

Republican National Committee Co-Chair Sharon Day urged Trump’s detractors to stop fighting his election, now that his victory is affirmed.

“This historic election is now officially over and I look forward to President-elect Trump taking the oath of office in January,” she said in a statement. “For the good of the country, Democrats must stop their cynical attempts to undermine the legitimacy of this election, which Donald Trump won decisively in the Electoral College with more votes than any Republican since 1988.”

Elector antics were few and far between throughout the day, with most the disruptions occurring on the Democratic side. A Democratic elector in Maine tried to vote for Sen. Bernie Sanders, but switched to Clinton after it was ruled improper. Another who tried to vote for Sanders in Minnesota was replaced; a Colorado elector who tried to back Ohio Gov. John Kasich likewise was replaced. One of the biggest deviations was in Washington state, where three electors voted for Colin Powell and one voted for “Faith Spotted Eagle;” the remaining eight went to Clinton, the state’s winner. 

It marked the first time in four decades the state's electors broke from the popular vote. Washington Secretary of State Kim Wyman vowed to work with the state attorney general and charge the four unfaithful electors with a violation of Washington state civil law. Such violations carry a fine up to $1,000.

With Trump’s win now secured, a joint session of Congress is scheduled for Jan. 6 to certify the results.

Trump’s clear Electoral College victory could serve to deter any further last-ditch efforts to effectively nullify his November win and prevent his inauguration, though the battle may shift next to his Cabinet picks. 

Few expected the “faithless elector” push to imperil Trump’s victory on Monday.

Only one Republican elector – Texas’ Chris Suprun – publicly stated he would vote for an alternative candidate. (He backed Kasich, while another Texas elector used his ballot to vote for former congressman Ron Paul.) More than three dozen Republicans would have had to abandon Trump to complicate his path to the presidency.

But GOP electors still faced immense pressure -- with some even receiving threats -- from Trump foes in the run-up to Monday’s Electoral College vote. Those urging disorder in state capitals often cited Clinton’s popular-vote win, by roughly 2.6 million votes, over Trump in November.

Celebrities made public appeals to electors to use the arcane process to upend Trump’s victory, as some Democratic electors tried to persuade their Republican counterparts to defect. Reports that U.S. intelligence officials determined Russia interfered in the election to boost Trump – findings disputed by Trump himself – only fueled efforts to wield the Electoral College vote as a political circuit-breaker.

As electors met, thousands of protesters descended on state capitals Monday in one last push to convince Trump voters to change their minds.

In Arizona, dozens of protesters gathered outside the meeting site, marching around the Capitol mall and carrying signs that said, "Stop Trump." More than 200 demonstrators gathered at Pennsylvania's Capitol, chanting, "No treason, no Trump!"

Both states, and dozens of others, cast their electoral votes for Trump anyway.

In Mississippi, Gov. Phil Bryant dismissed attempts to sway Republican electors.

"This idea … that we want to change the electors’ minds who have been dedicated to Donald Trump very early in the process I think is just misguided,” he said.

If nothing else, the furor over Monday’s proceedings has served to re-acquaint Americans with a process that few pay attention to every four years.

The Electoral College was devised at the Constitutional Convention in 1787. It was a compromise between those who wanted popular elections for president and those who wanted no public input.

The Electoral College has 538 members, with the number allocated to each state based on how many representatives it has in the House plus one for each senator. The District of Columbia gets three, despite the fact that the home to Congress has no vote in Congress.

To be elected president, the winner must get at least half plus one -- or 270 electoral votes. Most states give all their electoral votes to whichever candidate wins that state's popular vote. Maine and Nebraska award them by congressional district.

After a joint session of Congress certifies the results on Jan. 6, the next president will be sworn in on Jan. 20.

Trump already is nearly done naming his Cabinet appointees, as he prepares for confirmation hearings and the inauguration ceremonies, in addition to his first 100 days agenda.

Despite the transition process being well underway, Republican electors said they were deluged with emails, phone calls and letters urging them not to support the billionaire businessman in the days and weeks leading up to Monday’s proceedings. Many of the emails were part of coordinated campaigns.

"The letters are actually quite sad," said Lee Green, a Republican elector from North Carolina. "They honestly believe the propaganda. They believe our nation is being taken over by a dark and malevolent force."

Wirt A. Yerger Jr., a Republican elector in Mississippi, said, "I have gotten several thousand emails asking me not to vote for Trump. I threw them all away."

Arizona elector Robert Graham told Fox News on Saturday that the state’s 11 electors received hundreds of thousands of emails telling them not to vote for Trump and that he’s received information that some of the other 10 have been followed or have received a death threat.

“It’s out of hand when you have such … a small group of people that is pushing so hard against millions if not hundreds of millions of people who still appreciate this whole system,” said Graham, chairman of the Arizona Republican Party. “The Electoral College is part of the Constitution.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/19/electoral-college-meets-to-formally-elect-trump-amid-protests.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Skeletor on December 19, 2016, 04:30:33 PM
But Trump easily surpassed the 270 electoral votes needed to win, as representatives tabbed to cast ballots in accordance with their states’ Nov. 8 decision mostly adhered to the election results. With several states still voting, Trump had 304 votes and Hillary Clinton had 169.

This must be one of those "fake news". It was supposed to be a Hillary landslide!

Scientist predicts 99% chance of Clinton win

Lawrence speaks to Princeton’s Sam Wang, who says Hillary Clinton has a greater than 99% chance of winning the presidency & that Democrats have a strong chance of taking the Senate.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/scientist-predicts-99-chance-of-clinton-win-801634371744


Electoral College Map Update: Pollster Predicts Hillary Clinton Landslide, Winning All Swing States Except Iowa, Ohio

A candidate needs 270 electoral votes to capture the presidency. Emerson pollsters predicted Clinton will garner 323 electoral votes compared to 215 for Trump.

http://www.ibtimes.com/electoral-college-map-update-pollster-predicts-hillary-clinton-landslide-winning-all-2443087


Hillary Clinton Will Win Election By A Landslide According To Moody's Highly Reliable Election Model

The Hill reports that the Moody Analytics model is predicting that Hillary Clinton will win with 332 electoral votes. That’s well ahead of the 270 electoral votes she needs to clinch the presidency.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3666578/hillary-clinton-will-win-election-by-a-landslide-according-to-moodys-highly-reliable-election-model/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Straw Man on December 19, 2016, 04:50:54 PM
This must be one of those "fake news". It was supposed to be a Hillary landslide!

Scientist predicts 99% chance of Clinton win

Lawrence speaks to Princeton’s Sam Wang, who says Hillary Clinton has a greater than 99% chance of winning the presidency & that Democrats have a strong chance of taking the Senate.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/scientist-predicts-99-chance-of-clinton-win-801634371744


Electoral College Map Update: Pollster Predicts Hillary Clinton Landslide, Winning All Swing States Except Iowa, Ohio

A candidate needs 270 electoral votes to capture the presidency. Emerson pollsters predicted Clinton will garner 323 electoral votes compared to 215 for Trump.

http://www.ibtimes.com/electoral-college-map-update-pollster-predicts-hillary-clinton-landslide-winning-all-2443087


Hillary Clinton Will Win Election By A Landslide According To Moody's Highly Reliable Election Model

The Hill reports that the Moody Analytics model is predicting that Hillary Clinton will win with 332 electoral votes. That’s well ahead of the 270 electoral votes she needs to clinch the presidency.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3666578/hillary-clinton-will-win-election-by-a-landslide-according-to-moodys-highly-reliable-election-model/

nope, those are just horribly bad predictions

predictions are often wrong

BTW - enjoy the victory lap

try to keep in mind that Trump has done nothing yet except lose the popular vote by almost 3 million while winning the electoral college

He's got 4 years of collossal fuck ups ahead (maybe less if he gets impeached)

Repubs need to conserve their energy for the excuses they will need to manufacture as this idiot stumbles through one self inflicted crisis after another
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on December 19, 2016, 05:05:14 PM
This must be one of those "fake news". It was supposed to be a Hillary landslide!

Scientist predicts 99% chance of Clinton win

Lawrence speaks to Princeton’s Sam Wang, who says Hillary Clinton has a greater than 99% chance of winning the presidency & that Democrats have a strong chance of taking the Senate.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/scientist-predicts-99-chance-of-clinton-win-801634371744


Electoral College Map Update: Pollster Predicts Hillary Clinton Landslide, Winning All Swing States Except Iowa, Ohio

A candidate needs 270 electoral votes to capture the presidency. Emerson pollsters predicted Clinton will garner 323 electoral votes compared to 215 for Trump.

http://www.ibtimes.com/electoral-college-map-update-pollster-predicts-hillary-clinton-landslide-winning-all-2443087


Hillary Clinton Will Win Election By A Landslide According To Moody's Highly Reliable Election Model

The Hill reports that the Moody Analytics model is predicting that Hillary Clinton will win with 332 electoral votes. That’s well ahead of the 270 electoral votes she needs to clinch the presidency.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3666578/hillary-clinton-will-win-election-by-a-landslide-according-to-moodys-highly-reliable-election-model/

One of the most satisfying things for me during this election was to see the media fail in its attempt to drag Clinton across the finish line.  Burying WikiLeaks.  Working with debate folks to try and turn the election results (the tax returns and bimbo eruption).  Using the same Clinton talking points ("power through").  Trying to push the narrative that Trump had no path to victory.  Just a wide scale attempt to try and manipulate the outcome.  And it failed. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Kazan on December 19, 2016, 06:37:00 PM
nope, those are just horribly bad predictions

predictions are often wrong

BTW - enjoy the victory lap

try to keep in mind that Trump has done nothing yet except lose the popular vote by almost 3 million while winning the electoral college

He's got 4 years of collossal fuck ups ahead (maybe less if he gets impeached)

Repubs need to conserve their energy for the excuses they will need to manufacture as this idiot stumbles through one self inflicted crisis after another

Yeah and that is what you need to do to be POTUS, win the electoral college, so what is your point?

You see you are a prime example of why I don't like leftist, anyone who doesn't think the way you do is stupid. Your all for free speech, as long as it's your kind of speech. You need to put everybody who disagree's with you in little categories like racist, bigot, misogynist and the list goes on and on. And worst of all you celebrate stupidity, the atrocity that has been committed against the youth of this nation with you politically correct horse shit. Now they need safe spaces to protect them from triggers and micro aggression,  some play doh and coloring books to sooth their fragile emotions.   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Straw Man on December 19, 2016, 06:47:32 PM
Yeah and that is what you need to do to be POTUS, win the electoral college, so what is your point?

You see you are a prime example of why I don't like leftist, anyone who doesn't think the way you do is stupid. Your all for free speech, as long as it's your kind of speech. You need to put everybody who disagree's with you in little categories like racist, bigot, misogynist and the list goes on and on. And worst of all you celebrate stupidity, the atrocity that has been committed against the youth of this nation with you politically correct horse shit. Now they need safe spaces to protect them from triggers and micro aggression,  some play doh and coloring books to sooth their fragile emotions.  

my point is that Trump has no popular mandate (despite the fact that Repubs keep pretending he does).

When did I call anyone a bigot or a misogynist in that post.  Why all the projection?

My other point is that Trump is very likely to create a lot of self inflicted wounds to this country just given his penchant to talk out of his ass (or rather tweet) so maybe save some of your energy for the multiple excuses your side will need to generate

Also kind of pathetic that Trump keeps saying he won in a landslide

He lost the popular vote by almost 3 million and his electoral college win is in the bottom third

Any idea why he feels the need to make this blatant lie ?

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on December 20, 2016, 02:33:22 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2016, 09:58:18 AM
Reid: DNC was 'worthless' under Wasserman Schultz
The Hill ^
Posted on 12/22/2016, 12:38:46 PM by Sub-Driver

Reid: DNC was 'worthless' under Wasserman Schultz

By Jessie Hellmann - 12/22/16 11:47 AM EST

Outgoing Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid tore into the Democratic National Committee (DNC), calling it a "worthless" organization that doesn't do enough to help state parties.

"I believe one of the failures of Democratic Party has been the Democratic National Committee, the DNC, has been worthless," Reid told Nevada Public Radio in an interview published Wednesday.

"They do nothing to help state parties. That should be the main goal they have. I developed everything in Nevada on my own. Their help was relatively meaningless."

Reid said he hopes the DNC picks a chair who is "full-time," unlike "that congresswoman from Florida," refusing to say the name of Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Wasserman Schultz resigned her post in July after leaked emails showed Democratic party staffers planned ways to assist Hillary Clinton at Sen. Bernie Sanders's (I-Vt.) expense in the party's presidential primary.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on December 25, 2016, 11:26:01 PM
my point is that Trump has no popular mandate (despite the fact that Repubs keep pretending he does).

When did I call anyone a bigot or a misogynist in that post.  Why all the projection?

My other point is that Trump is very likely to create a lot of self inflicted wounds to this country just given his penchant to talk out of his ass (or rather tweet) so maybe save some of your energy for the multiple excuses your side will need to generate

Also kind of pathetic that Trump keeps saying he won in a landslide

He lost the popular vote by almost 3 million and his electoral college win is in the bottom third

Any idea why he feels the need to make this blatant lie ?



Why bother with the truth when the masses believe your lies; hook, line and sinker?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 25, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
Why bother with the truth when the masses believe your lies; hook, line and sinker?

Straw wouldn't know the truth if it slapped up side his head let alone a fact.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on December 29, 2016, 03:03:06 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on December 29, 2016, 03:44:22 PM
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Not surprising at all. Not sure what the point is though. Why does it matter who voted for whom, Trump won.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: dr.chimps on January 01, 2017, 07:11:13 AM
Straw wouldn't know the truth if it slapped up side his head let alone a fact.
Truth!? You're the climate-denier guy, right. The climate thing Exxon found was an issue in the '70's!? You are such a moron.  ;D
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on January 03, 2017, 06:11:52 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Clapper: No Evidence Russians Changed Votes in Presidential Election...
Townhall ^ | 1/5/2017 | Katie Pavlich
Posted on 1/5/2017, 12:14:33 PM by conservativepoet

Testifying in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday morning, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper made it clear Russian hacking didn't change the outcome of the 2016 presidential election.

"They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort," Clapper stated.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2017, 11:28:18 AM
‘It is over’: Congress certifies Trump’s win, over last-ditch Dem objections
Fox news ^ | January 6, 2017
Posted on 01/06/2017 10:58:23 AM PST by SMGFan

A joint session of Congress on Friday formally certified President-elect Donald Trump’s Electoral College victory, over the last-minute objections of several Democratic lawmakers who tried to contest the outcome – and were instructed by Vice President Biden, “It is over.” The certification clears away any final roadblocks for Trump’s road to the inauguration in two weeks. Trump was certified as winning the White House race with 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton’s 227. Mike Pence was certified as the next vice president

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on January 06, 2017, 11:45:49 AM
‘It is over’: Congress certifies Trump’s win, over last-ditch Dem objections
Fox news ^ | January 6, 2017
Posted on 01/06/2017 10:58:23 AM PST by SMGFan

A joint session of Congress on Friday formally certified President-elect Donald Trump’s Electoral College victory, over the last-minute objections of several Democratic lawmakers who tried to contest the outcome – and were instructed by Vice President Biden, “It is over.” The certification clears away any final roadblocks for Trump’s road to the inauguration in two weeks. Trump was certified as winning the White House race with 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton’s 227. Mike Pence was certified as the next vice president

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Let the crying begin.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2017, 12:59:36 PM
Oakland Congresswoman Barbara Lee Refuses to Certify Trump's Electoral College Win
The East Bay Express ^ | January 6, 2017 | Nick Miller
Posted on 1/6/2017, 3:53:29 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

Congress met today to put a stamp on Donald Trump's electoral college win, but local Rep. Barbara Lee and other House members disputed his victory.

"Congress is convening for a joint session to certify the votes of the electoral college. Given the deeply troubling incidents of disenfranchisement and the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference, I am challenging the electoral vote certification," Lee wrote on Facebook about a half-hour ago.

The representative was joined by several house members who opposed Trump's win due to voter-suppression tactics in states.

"During this presidential cycle, hundreds of thousands of voters — primarily voters of color — were disenfranchised before and on election day," Lee wrote.

Specifically, she cited how more than six dozen voting machines in Black precincts in Detroit malfunctioned on Election Day, and how GOP-controlled precincts in North Carolina cut voting hours.

"The use of malfunctioning voting machines, the restriction of provisional ballots, the improper purging of voter rolls, and the widely reported incidents of intimidation and misinformation at the polls are clear evidence of widespread voter suppression designed to restrict the vote among people of color, low-income voters, students and seniors."

Lee and others also cited concerns over "Russia interference" with the election.

Despite these protests, however, Trump's win was ultimately certified, 304 electoral-college votes to 227.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on January 06, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
Oakland Congresswoman Barbara Lee Refuses to Certify Trump's Electoral College Win
The East Bay Express ^ | January 6, 2017 | Nick Miller
Posted on 1/6/2017, 3:53:29 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

Congress met today to put a stamp on Donald Trump's electoral college win, but local Rep. Barbara Lee and other House members disputed his victory.

"Congress is convening for a joint session to certify the votes of the electoral college. Given the deeply troubling incidents of disenfranchisement and the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference, I am challenging the electoral vote certification," Lee wrote on Facebook about a half-hour ago.

The representative was joined by several house members who opposed Trump's win due to voter-suppression tactics in states.

"During this presidential cycle, hundreds of thousands of voters — primarily voters of color — were disenfranchised before and on election day," Lee wrote.

Specifically, she cited how more than six dozen voting machines in Black precincts in Detroit malfunctioned on Election Day, and how GOP-controlled precincts in North Carolina cut voting hours.

"The use of malfunctioning voting machines, the restriction of provisional ballots, the improper purging of voter rolls, and the widely reported incidents of intimidation and misinformation at the polls are clear evidence of widespread voter suppression designed to restrict the vote among people of color, low-income voters, students and seniors."

Lee and others also cited concerns over "Russia interference" with the election.

Despite these protests, however, Trump's win was ultimately certified, 304 electoral-college votes to 227.

Rep. Lee and those who joined her are a direct threat to our democracy. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on January 08, 2017, 12:45:32 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Primemuscle on January 08, 2017, 12:59:05 PM
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Martin makes a good point. Unfortunately, no matter how much folks want to be rich, most never achieve this in the monetary sense.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on January 09, 2017, 05:23:50 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on January 10, 2017, 06:36:44 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 10, 2017, 07:30:38 AM
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Ha ha ha.   Loser twink
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Irongrip400 on January 10, 2017, 08:16:17 AM
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Ha!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on January 10, 2017, 08:51:50 AM
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Ha!

Shkreli is a trip...

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Dos Equis on January 20, 2017, 11:59:15 AM
Full text of President Donald Trump's inauguration speech
Published January 20, 2017
FoxNews.com

Below is the full text of President Trump's inaugural speech:

Chief Justice Roberts, President Carter, President Clinton, President Bush, President Obama, fellow Americans, and people of the world: thank you.

We, the citizens of America, are now joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country and to restore its promise for all of our people.

Together, we will determine the course of America and the world for years to come.

We will face challenges. We will confront hardships. But we will get the job done.

Every four years, we gather on these steps to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power, and we are grateful to President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama for their gracious aid throughout this transition. They have been magnificent.

Today’s ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one Administration to another, or from one party to another – but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People.

For too long, a small group in our nation’s Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost.

Washington flourished – but the people did not share in its wealth.

Politicians prospered – but the jobs left, and the factories closed.

The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country.

Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation’s Capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land.

That all changes – starting right here, and right now, because this moment is your moment: it belongs to you.

It belongs to everyone gathered here today and everyone watching all across America.

This is your day. This is your celebration.

And this, the United States of America, is your country.

What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people.

January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again.

The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.

Everyone is listening to you now.

You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement the likes of which the world has never seen before.

At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction: that a nation exists to serve its citizens.

Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves.

These are the just and reasonable demands of a righteous public.

But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists: Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities; rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation; an education system, flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of knowledge; and the crime and gangs and drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential.

This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.

We are one nation – and their pain is our pain.  Their dreams are our dreams; and their success will be our success.  We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny.

The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans.

For many decades, we’ve enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry;

Subsidized the armies of other countries while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military;

We've defended other nation’s borders while refusing to defend our own;

And spent trillions of dollars overseas while America's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay.

We’ve made other countries rich while the wealth, strength, and confidence of our country has disappeared over the horizon.

One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions upon millions of American workers left behind.

The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed across the entire world.

But that is the past. And now we are looking only to the future.

We assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power.

From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land.

From this moment on, it’s going to be America First.

Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families.

We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs.  Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength.

I will fight for you with every breath in my body – and I will never, ever let you down.

America will start winning again, winning like never before.

We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders.  We will bring back our wealth.  And we will bring back our dreams.

We will build new roads, and highways, and bridges, and airports, and tunnels, and railways all across our wonderful nation.

We will get our people off of welfare and back to work – rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor.

We will follow two simple rules: Buy American and Hire American.

We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world – but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.

We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to follow.

We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones – and unite the civilized world against Radical Islamic Terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.

At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.

When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.

The Bible tells us, “how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity.”

We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity.

When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.

There should be no fear – we are protected, and we will always be protected.

We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement and, most importantly, we are protected by God.

Finally, we must think big and dream even bigger.

In America, we understand that a nation is only living as long as it is striving.

We will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action – constantly complaining but never doing anything about it.

The time for empty talk is over.

Now arrives the hour of action.

Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done.  No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America.

We will not fail. Our country will thrive and prosper again.

We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow.

A new national pride will stir our souls, lift our sights, and heal our divisions.

It is time to remember that old wisdom our soldiers will never forget: that whether we are black or brown or white, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots, we all enjoy the same glorious freedoms, and we all salute the same great American Flag.

And whether a child is born in the urban sprawl of Detroit or the windswept plains of Nebraska, they look up at the same night sky, they fill their heart with the same dreams, and they are infused with the breath of life by the same almighty Creator.

So to all Americans, in every city near and far, small and large, from mountain to mountain, and from ocean to ocean, hear these words:

You will never be ignored again.

Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams, will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way.

Together, We Will Make America Strong Again.

We Will Make America Wealthy Again.

We Will Make America Proud Again.

We Will Make America Safe Again.

And, Yes, Together, We Will Make America Great Again. Thank you, God Bless You, And God Bless America.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/20/full-text-president-donald-trumps-inauguration-speech.html
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 20, 2017, 06:51:26 PM
I thought his speech was perfect.  Short and to the point
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on January 22, 2017, 06:21:42 AM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Skeletor on January 22, 2017, 11:54:30 AM
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The crowd at the women's event was definitely larger:

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on January 22, 2017, 03:38:56 PM
Repost for the lolz

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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Kazan on January 22, 2017, 04:11:57 PM
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And we are going to find George Soros's fucking finger prints all over this
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: GigantorX on January 22, 2017, 06:00:20 PM
And we are going to find George Soros's fucking finger prints all over this

Oh, no doubt. He funds BLM and all this crap.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Yamcha on January 23, 2017, 04:58:29 AM
Could you imagine being shown this back during the primaries  ;D