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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #550 on: September 01, 2016, 04:19:07 PM »
they were the only ones who predicted a romney win, right?  ;)   

And they're the only ones in RCP saying Trump is ahead right now?  ;) ;)


I take nothing you say at face value. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #551 on: September 01, 2016, 05:38:02 PM »
I take nothing you say at face value. 

RASS is the ONLY national poll that has Trump leading.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

read it yourself.  The only company that had Romney winning, is now the only one that has Trump winning.  Oh, and they're the one Drudge and FOX always loves to quote, so it's worth it to them be wrong :)


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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #552 on: September 01, 2016, 05:44:28 PM »
RASS is the ONLY national poll that has Trump leading.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

read it yourself.  The only company that had Romney winning, is now the only one that has Trump winning.  Oh, and they're the one Drudge and FOX always loves to quote, so it's worth it to them be wrong :)



Post the Rasmussen daily tracking poll the day before the November 2012 election.   

And I just read for myself from the link posted.  Six of the polls show a statistical tie. 

I mean, really, you never tell the truth.  lol . . . .

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #553 on: September 01, 2016, 06:00:19 PM »
Post the Rasmussen daily tracking poll the day before the November 2012 election.   

And I just read for myself from the link posted.  Six of the polls show a statistical tie. 

I mean, really, you never tell the truth.  lol . . . .

They announced it a week before the election.   WHen everyone else had obama winning by a mile.

You can try to change it to "well, you can't PROVE they didn't change it back" but that's just silly.

Rass was quite wrong, quite late in the game... same as now ;)

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #554 on: September 01, 2016, 06:05:58 PM »
RASS is the ONLY national poll that has Trump leading.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

read it yourself.  The only company that had Romney winning, is now the only one that has Trump winning.  Oh, and they're the one Drudge and FOX always loves to quote, so it's worth it to them be wrong :)



For now.

Just checked the local newspaper while I was picking up milk and eggs for the missus.

Headline Reads: Trump Softens Stance on Deportation; Still Intends to Build Wall.

Now that IS far more inline with the common citizen of the United States and will work in his favor.

Trump has all the momentum right now while Creepy Hillary is busy in her Rascal wheelchair chasing down 19 year old female nursing home assistants for her evening sponge bath.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #555 on: September 01, 2016, 06:08:31 PM »
They announced it a week before the election.   WHen everyone else had obama winning by a mile.

You can try to change it to "well, you can't PROVE they didn't change it back" but that's just silly.

Rass was quite wrong, quite late in the game... same as now ;)

They do a daily tracking poll.  I don't remember what their daily tracking poll showed the day before the election.  I suspect it doesn't support your dumb embellished point. 

And the link you provided shows numerous polls with a statistical tie. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #556 on: September 01, 2016, 06:16:12 PM »
Just checked the local newspaper while I was picking up milk and eggs for the missus.

Did you go with the Eggland's best?   I had them tonight, they really are better than regular eggs.  Tasty!

They do a daily tracking poll.  I don't remember what their daily tracking poll showed the day before the election.  I suspect it doesn't support your dumb embellished point. 

And the link you provided shows numerous polls with a statistical tie. 

Rass was super wrong about Romney winning.  That's the bottom line.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #557 on: September 01, 2016, 06:18:10 PM »
Did you go with the Eggland's best?   I had them tonight, they really are better than regular eggs.  Tasty!

Rass was super wrong about Romney winning.  That's the bottom line.

The bottom line is you don't tell the truth.  Like ever.  Are you smart enough to realize citing a week-old daily tracking poll is problem?  (Rhetorical question.)

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #558 on: September 01, 2016, 06:25:37 PM »
The bottom line is you don't tell the truth.  Like ever.  Are you smart enough to realize citing a week-old daily tracking poll is problem?  (Rhetorical question.)

They predicted it wrong, and took a lot of shit for it. 

So their 2016 predictions should be taken with a grain of salt

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #559 on: September 01, 2016, 06:26:06 PM »
Doubt it.  NY and NJ are blue states through and through. 

Interdasting! Is it possible....?

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #560 on: September 01, 2016, 06:33:29 PM »
Trump went down to Mexico and faced the music like a Boss.

I look to see him gain 2 to 4 points off that move alone.

Meanwhile Hillary still hiding like a ghost.

Were you expecting HRC to make cozy with Enrique Peña Nieto? Oh wait, she already has the Latino vote.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #561 on: September 01, 2016, 06:34:37 PM »
Interdasting! Is it possible....?

Is what possible?

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #562 on: September 01, 2016, 06:36:21 PM »
Is what possible?

The rumor that Trump is still a democrat.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #563 on: September 01, 2016, 06:40:50 PM »
The rumor that Trump is still a democrat.


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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #564 on: September 01, 2016, 06:41:47 PM »
Were you expecting HRC to make cozy with Enrique Peña Nieto? Oh wait, she already has the Latino vote.

It doesn't bother you as a voter that she hasn't given a press conference in over a year?

That she only takes scripted questions?

Disappears for days on end.

It is so ridiculous...straight out of a a banana republic where the entire election process is a sham.

There was a time in this country where we expected clarity and answers out of our candidates but clearly that has left us.

As eccentric as Trump can be at times at least you can say the man steps up and goes through the process.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #565 on: September 01, 2016, 06:43:08 PM »
The rumor that Trump is still a democrat.

Who knows?  He didn't become a Republican till last year. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #566 on: September 01, 2016, 06:56:38 PM »
It doesn't bother you as a voter that she hasn't given a press conference in over a year?

That she only takes scripted questions?

Disappears for days on end.

It is so ridiculous...straight out of a a banana republic where the entire election process is a sham.

There was a time in this country where we expected clarity and answers out of our candidates but clearly that has left us.

As eccentric as Trump can be at times at least you can say the man steps up and goes through the process.

What I don't get is that Trump and his supporters (even those on Getbig) claim the press is rigged in favor of HRC. If this is so, it begs the question, why does Trump still give press conferences. HRC has made no such claims. She doesn't need to because she's not catering to the media machine.

When was that time? I don't remember it. If we expected clarity (honest answers) and we believe we got them, we were very naive.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #567 on: September 01, 2016, 06:57:34 PM »
Who knows?  He didn't become a Republican till last year. 

Has he explained his change of heart?

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #568 on: September 01, 2016, 07:09:53 PM »
What I don't get is that Trump and his supporters (even those on Getbig) claim the press is rigged in favor of HRC. If this is so, it begs the question, why does Trump still give press conferences. HRC has made no such claims. She doesn't need to because she's not catering to the media machine.

When was that time? I don't remember it. If we expected clarity (honest answers) and we believe we got them, we were very naive.

Bro you totally skipped the main issue of my question!

You were blessed to be raised in an era where the candidates DID have to face the media and COULD NOT run and hide.

And OF COURSE the media is in the pocket of the DNC. The fact that anybody would deny that in 2016 really blows my mind.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #569 on: September 01, 2016, 07:20:11 PM »
Bro you totally skipped the main issue of my question!

You were blessed to be raised in an era where the candidates DID have to face the media and COULD NOT run and hide.

And OF COURSE the media is in the pocket of the DNC. The fact that anybody would deny that in 2016 really blows my mind.

You should admit that in my time, the media was a very different animal then it is today.

The media is in the pocket of whoever fills their pockets.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #570 on: September 05, 2016, 11:10:48 AM »
With Labor Day Lead, History on Clinton's Side
By Mark Swanson   |   Monday, 05 Sep 2016

If history an indicator, Hillary Clinton's near 4-point national lead on Labor Day bodes well for her in November, The Hill reports.

Nearly every presidential candidate in the past half-century who led on the national holiday has gone on to win the election, according to The Hill.

One notable exception - Ronald Reagan in 1980. Reagan trailed Jimmy Carter by 4 points - Trump's deficit - but won the election by 10 points, according to The Hill.

These are the Labor Day leads and the candidates that went on to win:

2008: Barack Obama led John McCain by 5 points
2004: George W. Bush led John Kerry by 6 points
1996: Bill Clinton led Bob Dole by 17 points
1992: Bill Clinton led George H.W. Bush by 9 points
1988: George H.W. Bush led Michael Dukakis by 8 points
1984: Ronald Regan led Walter Mondale by 15 points

Mitt Romney was briefly tied with Obama in 2012, after the Republican convention, but Obama took control soon after, The Hill reported.

In 2000, Al Gore held the Labor Day lead over George W. Bush by 3 points, only to lose "hanging chad" election in what would be the closest in modern history, according to The Hill.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-lead-labor-day/2016/09/05/id/746691/#ixzz4JPFaJTh0

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #571 on: September 05, 2016, 11:14:26 AM »
Poll: Trump Closes to Virtual Tie With Clinton
By Eric Mack   |   Sunday, 04 Sep 2016

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has closed to within 2 points of Hillary Clinton, making the race a relative dead heat "within the margin of error," according to Morning Consult’s new poll results Sunday morning.

It was the second national poll in two days in which the two candidates are now in a virtual tie. On Friday, the latest Reuters/Ipsos national tracking poll showed 40 percent of likely voters supporting Trump and 39 percent backing Clinton for the week of Aug. 26 to Sept. 1. Clinton's support has dropped steadily in the weekly tracking poll since Aug. 25, eliminating what had been a eight-point lead for her.

The Morning Consult poll has tightened every week in the past month from a 7-point Clinton head-to-head edge 44-37 on Aug. 11-14 to just 42-40 on Sept. 1-2. The poll took a national sample of 2,001 registered voters with a 2-percent margin of error.

When asked to choose between Clinton, Trump or Don’t Known/No Opinion:

42 percent chose Clinton
40 percent chose Trump
18 percent undecided
When adding the third-party candidates:

38 percent Clinton
36 percent Trump
9 percent Libertarian Gary Johnson
4 percent Green Party’s Jill Stein
13 percent undecided

"A week that saw Donald Trump solidly embrace his well-known harsh rhetoric on immigration has done little to change his standing among the public," the Morning Consult’s Fawn Johnson wrote Sunday.

The Morning Consult poll revealed 61 percent of Hispanic voters favor Clinton compared to 21 percent for Trump, a slight increase from the previous week, despite the overall race tightening.

In recent weeks, Clinton has come under renewed criticism over her handling of classified information while serving as U.S. secretary of state, and her family's charitable foundation has come under fresh scrutiny for the donations it accepted while Clinton served in the Obama administration. Meanwhile, Clinton hasn't been campaigning as actively as Trump.

Trump, meanwhile, has reshuffled his campaign leadership and sought to broaden his appeal to moderate Republicans and minorities. He recently suggested that he would be a better president than Clinton for African Americans, and has taken steps, including a meeting this week with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, to reach out to immigrants. It remains to be seen whether those efforts will click.

Clinton has led Trump through most of the campaign for the November election, though neither candidate appears to have inspired America.

In the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, more than 20 percent of likely voters opted for a choice other than the two major nominees, whether an alternative candidate, "would not vote" or "unsure." That figure is significantly higher than the 10 percent to 14 percent of respondents who answered similarly at this point in the 2012 campaign. Both President Barack Obama and Republican rival Mitt Romney enjoyed substantially stronger support at this point in the summer of 2012 than either Trump or Clinton does now.

And while Trump has consolidated his support among Republicans, likely voters are expressing an increasingly sour view of Clinton: The share of likely voters with an unfavorable view of the former secretary of state has grown to 57 percent, compared with Trump's 54 percent, her worst showing on that metric in a month.

Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics, said he remains convinced Clinton is ahead, somewhere in the range seen among the polling aggregators.

"There has been a closing that's completely natural," Sabato said. "Every four years, you have two national party conventions that produce a bounce of varying sizes. Clinton got a substantial bounce this year that lasted for a full month. It's usually gone around Labor Day, and by then we'll be where we should be, which is right around four to five points" for Clinton.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/trump-virtual-tie-clinton-polls/2016/09/04/id/746592/#ixzz4JPGYvcWe

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #572 on: September 05, 2016, 11:22:24 AM »
Hillary Clinton Looks Strong Heading Into Fall
Democrats stand a decent chance of retaking a Senate majority, too.
09/05/2016
Natalie Jackson 
Senior Polling Editor, The Huffington Post
Ariel Edwards-Levy
Staff Reporter and Polling Director, The Huffington Post

As Labor Day neared, the decisions the two major party presidential candidates made on how to spend their time said everything about how they’ve approached the race. August found Hillary Clinton in the Hamptons, where she attended at least a dozen high-dollar fundraisers, according to people who spent time with her there.

Donald Trump, meanwhile, jetted down to Mexico and softened his tone on immigration, hardened it right back up again at a rally in Arizona and launched an international Twitter war with the Mexican president he had just met.

Clinton can afford to spend her time fundraising rather than holding rallies. With just over two months until Election Day, she holds a solid lead over Trump in the polls, although the spread has been tightening as Clinton’s post-convention bounce wears off and Trump gains a little strength.

An utter landslide for Clinton looked more likely immediately after the conventions, when she regularly saw double-digit leads in national polls. HuffPost Pollster’s model, which aggregates publicly available polling, currently gives her a lead of about 5 points in a head-to-head race nationally, down from more than 8 points at the height of her post-DNC bounce. Clinton also has a 5-point lead on average when third party candidates are included in the poll questions.

A 5-point lead leaves room for Trump to catch up, but it’s still considerably wider than the edge President Barack Obama enjoyed over Mitt Romney at this point during the 2012 cycle. And Clinton’s lead has been remarkably consistent: Not a single poll included in HuffPost’s average has had Trump ahead since late July. Historical precedent suggests that bodes well for her. In each of the past 16 elections, the candidate leading after the conventions has gone on to win.

State polling tells a similar story. Clinton is leading Trump by a significant margin in many battleground states, with leads of between 6 and 9 points in Colorado, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. In another set of swing states, including Florida, Iowa, North Carolina and Ohio, she holds smaller edges of between 2 and 3 points. The only swing state Trump has on his side is Nevada, but only by a very narrow margin. And he only musters 1- to 3-point leads in traditionally red Arizona, Georgia and South Carolina.

Current presidential forecasts from five different modelers put Clinton’s chances of winning between 71 percent and 94 percent.

Given the perceived improbability of a Trump victory, many Republicans are turning their attention to other races. They’re hoping to convince voters to split their tickets and choose GOP candidates for gubernatorial, Senate and House races, even if they don’t intend to vote for the Republican presidential nominee.

Democrats, meanwhile, hope to leverage Trump’s electoral weaknesses to make gains in Congress. A source who spent time with her in the Hamptons said that Clinton’s main objective at this point in the campaign is to win by a wide enough margin that Democrats take the Senate.

Republican Senate candidates are outperforming Trump in most of the states where HuffPost Pollster has sufficient polling data for a model. But even if they’re doing better than Trump, many are still trailing their Democratic competitors. According to HuffPost’s predictive Senate model, the Democrats currently have a 62 percent chance of winning 50 or more seats in the Senate.

The probability of a Democratic Senate takeover is lower than previously reported by the model. In mid-August, it predicted a 78 percent chance that the Senate would comprise 50 or more Democrats, including a 55 percent chance that there would be at least 51 Democrats and a 23 percent chance of a tie. Now that has shifted to a 32 percent chance of 51 or more Democrats and a 30 percent chance of a 50-50 tie ― which would still be a Democratic majority if Clinton wins and vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine becomes the tie-breaking vote.

Most of that shift is due to incumbent Republicans strengthening their positions. Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) has benefitted from improved polling numbers, raising his probability of holding his seat from 73 percent to 94 percent. And Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) has come up from a 50 percent chance of winning ― because the last model run was before the Florida primaries had determined the candidates ― to a 96 percent chance.

Despite the lower overall probability of a Democratic takeover in the election simulations, the outcome predicted by the model based on the most up-to-date data is 51 Democrats, including the two independents who caucus with the Democrats, and 49 Republicans. The five seats that the model indicates could flip to make that happen are in New Hampshire, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Indiana ― the most likely Democratic pickups being Wisconsin and Indiana. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-campaign_us_57cca425e4b0e60d31df9836?section=&

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #574 on: September 06, 2016, 02:36:42 PM »
Has he explained his change of heart?

Political expediency?