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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559229/source-gunman-dead-in-conn-elementary-school-shooting/
NEWTOWN, Conn.—
Multiple people have been killed in a shooting at an elementary school. At least one child is among the dead, the Hartford Courant reports. Sources told the newspaper that many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom. An official with knowledge of the situation says a gunman is dead.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way, says the man apparently had two guns.
The shooting was reported at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, in western Connecticut. State police say Newtown police called them at about 9:40 a.m. about the reports.
Newtown is in northern Fairfield County, about 45 miles southwest of Hartford and 80 miles northeast of New York City.
Eight-year-old Alexis Wasik, a third-grader at the school, said police were checking everybody inside the school before they were escorted to the firehouse.
"We had to walk with a partner," she said.
One child leaving the school said that there was shattered glass everywhere. A police officer ran into the classroom and told them to run outside and keep going until the reach the firehouse.
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This was not the first event of this kind in this year..... Yankee in record speed Strong !!!11
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White people are fucking crazy. Savages.
So fucking sad. :(
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This was not the first event of this kind in this year..... Yankee in record speed Strong !!!11
Mass shootings are just becoming out of control. :-\ :-\
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The natural result of a Godless anti-christ society.
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White people are fucking crazy. Savages.
So fucking sad. :(
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The natural result of a Godless anti-christ society.
Ahhh, I guess you forgot about the millions and millions that have died in the name of religion.
Anyway, these isolated incidences are usually the result of sick people and have little to do with a godless society.
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Update: More than a dozen killed, including children.
There were two gunmen. One dead.
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We need gun control. :o
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Ahhh, I guess you forgot about the millions and millions that have died in the name of religion.
Anyway, these isolated incidences are usually the result of sick people and have little to do with a godless society.
Keep telling yourself your little stories that you read on the internet. Meanwhile people with an ounce of sense can see things for what they are..
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Keep telling yourself your little stories that you read on the internet. Meanwhile people with an ounce of sense can see things for what they are..
haha, okay, buddy. Sure. Keep believing its the result of a godless society.
Anyway, its not worth getting into a religious fight, especially when children have passed.
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Kindergarten Cop would have saved them.
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White people are fucking crazy. Savages.
So fucking sad. :(
Troll harder nig nog
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=451475.0
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Anyone with half a brain knows that a large scale attack like 911 will most likely never work again. This lone wolf type small scale attack has been going on, and the media is trying to hide what is really happening. While this incident may not be terrorism...my guess is it will be... hitting malls and schools is not meant for large body counts, it is meant to spread fear. Killing kids... wtf.
This is exactly the strategy they use in Israel. It was only a matter of time before it started here. Educate your kids about the evil death cult and arm yourself. This is just the beginning.
In before Assmed says not Islam.. But then 6 months from now we find out it was.
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We need gun control. :o
Using that logic that means we also need ban: flying in airplanes, driving cars, booze, smoking, prescription meds, and don't forget forks and spoons for making people fat.
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Now they are saying up to 20 children being shot. Damn! :'( :'(
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Anyone with half a brain knows that a large scale attack like 911 will most likely never work again. This lone wolf type small scale attack has been going on, and the media is trying to hide what is really happening. While this incident may not be terrorism...my guess is it will be... hitting malls and schools is not meant for large body counts, it is meant to spread fear. Killing kids... wtf.
This is exactly the strategy they use in Israel. It was only a matter of time before it started here. Educate your kids about the evil death cult and arm yourself. This is just the beginning.
In before Assmed says not Islam.. But then 6 months from now we find out it was.
Finally... someone who actually gets it!
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Ahhh, I guess you forgot about the millions and millions that have died in the name of religion.
Anyway, these isolated incidences are usually the result of sick people and have little to do with a godless society.
Or the 10's of millions murdered in the name of power. People will kill people regardless of religion and have been for thousands of years.
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NBC is reporting up to 20 kids shot...extremely sad
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NBC is reporting up to 20 kids shot...extremely sad
are they confirmed dead or shot?
fuck me that is some sad sad news
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NBC is reporting up to 20 kids shot...extremely sad
Any mention of the attackers? Race? Yelling Allah is an assbag? My guess is no. UNLESS its a pasty white guy. They will hold a celebration and put it all over the place.
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Troll harder nig nog
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=451475.0
Nig-ga, please. Anytime some idiot fucker goes apeshit and starts shooting up a school, the perp is white. Or white-Asian.
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Nig-ga, please. Anytime some idiot fucker goes apeshit and starts shooting up a school, the perp is white. Or white-Asian.
Lol @ you. You only see the ones done but crazy whites because that's the only ones the media will report. They don't mention the race or religion if it is anything other then a white Christian pretty much.
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Just been confirmed. 27 dead, and 12 of them are children.
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The natural result of a Godless anti-christ society.
If you are only good because of a giant bearded cctv camera in the sky, then you are not truly good at all.
Please don't try and rationalise the actions of the irrational by saying it's to do with a belief or lack of belief in a "God".
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Countdown to overly crazy gun control legislature.
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Bad boy and uberman seem like they might like to share a bunker together in San Francisco
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Sources: 17 or 18 children dead.
20 year old gunmen from CT who was dressed all in black. Motive unclear. Do not know if he acted alone.
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Sources: 17 or 18 children dead.
Jesus, so unnecessary and senseless. Hang the fucker from the nearest tree.
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Dont remember christians going to schools killing kids...wtf are you babbling about sf1900 ? BTW christians warriors changed the world for good, not for the worst, just like it will be needed again. Sure some werent real christians and gave christianism a bad name, but it's up to you to denigrate the faith they pretended to endorse when yourself dont even know what this faith is truly about, basically being yourself a brainwashed ignorant atheist who never read the Bible in the first place before making up your mind about it.
Only lost atheists or muslims would go to schools to kill...atheists or christian , buddhist, kids. Only a lost atheist beleiving in absurdity, would go kill other people kids to release his anger/frustration. This is the definition of insanity.
I also doubt there will be more muslim terror acts in north america, as the real danger now is a population of millions of people losing their jobs, homes, families, due to the depression we re in for at least 30 years. Atheists will lose everything and will want to make the "society" pay, because atheists arent part of a society, their superficial society is only an illusion where everyone is egocentrical, cynical, hypocrit and attempts to fuck each others in the ass, the opposite of a christian community.
Japan will collapse, then europe, then the united states, and the real danger will be your atheist neighbor who once he loses all his material goods, will either choose to become spiritual again by necessity, or devolve into an animal. Odds are high most people will devolve into animals and that only a strong faithful life protecting minority will stay spiritual and survive. Then they ll have to fight chinese and muslims who will take over whole eurasia, africa and australia.
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well, minorities kill each other by the dozens every week in major cities, its just gang related.
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Dont remember christians going to schools killing kids...wtf are you babbling about sf1900 ? BTW christians warriors changed the world for good, not for the worst, just like it will be needed again. Sure some werent real christians and gave christianism a bad name, but it's up to you to denigrate the faith they pretended to endorse when yourself dont even know what this faith is truly about, basically being yourself a brainwashed ignorant atheist who never read the Bible in the first place before making up your mind about it.
Only lost atheists or muslims would do that to...atheists or christian , buddhist, kids.
I also doubt there will be more muslim terror acts in north america, as the real danger now is a population of millions of people losing their jobs, homes, families, due to the depression we re in for at least 30 years. Atheists will lose everything and will want to make the "society" pay, because atheists arent part of a society, their superficial society is only an illusion where everyone attempts to fuck each others in the ass, the opposite of a christian community.
Japan will collapse, then europe, then the united states, and the real danger will be your atheist neighbor who once he loses all his material goods, will either choose to become spiritual again by necessity, or devolve into an animal. Odds are high most people will devolve into animals and that only a strong faithful life protecting minority will stay spiritual and survive. Then we ll have to fight chinese and muslims who will take over whole eurasia, africa and australia.
Uberman, shut the hell up and go away. I was not the one who initially turned this into a religious post. Piss off, you asshole.
There are many atheists who DO NOT kill children, you moron. Go away.
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make those christmas gun and ammo purchases now while you still can.
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Uberman, shut the hell up and go away. I was not the one who initially turned this into a religious post. Piss off, you asshole.
There are many atheists who DO NOT kill children, you moron. Go away.
Lol, that's all you have to say after being ridiculed again?
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Very Sad. Who the fuck goes and shoots children?
We keep hearing about these mass shootings almost every other day now! Wtf is going on!
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Dont remember christians going to schools killing kids...wtf are you babbling about sf1900 ? BTW christians warriors changed the world for good, not for the worst, just like it will be needed again. Sure some werent real christians and gave christianism a bad name, but it's up to you to denigrate the faith they pretended to endorse when yourself dont even know what this faith is truly about, basically being yourself a brainwashed ignorant atheist who never read the Bible in the first place before making up your mind about it.
Only lost atheists or muslims would do that to...atheists or christian , buddhist, kids.
I also doubt there will be more muslim terror acts in north america, as the real danger now is a population of millions of people losing their jobs, homes, families, due to the depression we re in for at least 30 years. Atheists will lose everything and will want to make the "society" pay, because atheists arent part of a society, their superficial society is only an illusion where everyone is egocentrical, cynical, hypocrit and attempts to fuck each others in the ass, the opposite of a christian community.
Japan will collapse, then europe, then the united states, and the real danger will be your atheist neighbor who once he loses all his material goods, will either choose to become spiritual again by necessity, or devolve into an animal. Odds are high most people will devolve into animals and that only a strong faithful life protecting minority will stay spiritual and survive. Then they ll have to fight chinese and muslims who will take over whole eurasia, africa and australia.
LOL,
This is what you get when your government doesn't provide mental care for every citizen whether they are capable to pay for it or not.
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18 children among 27 dead in shooting at Conn. elementary school
NEWTOWN, Conn. — At least 27 people were killed, including 18 children, in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., on Friday, according to reports from Reuters and The Associated Press.
The gunman also is among the dead, and, according to an ABC affiliate, is believed to be a parent of one of the students. Many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom, a local newspaper reported
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Countdown to overly crazy gun control legislature.
So true and so wrong. Do you think someone crazy enough to shoot children will follow the laws and turn his guns in? Seriously? The only people who will be armed if that happens IS the crazies.
What we need is armed guards everywhere, teachers and pilots with guns, etc. Make gun training and carrying a fucking job requirement. If someone is crazy enough they will kill hut this guy would never get to 27 dead and all those kids if someone was armed there. I am seriously considering home schooling for my kids if this shit don't improve.
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but its Friday...?
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Lol, that's all you have to say after being ridiculed again?
After being ridiculed AGAIN? Who ridiculed me before you? No one. Youre such an idiot.
No, I am not going to sit here and argue with you over this. Its pointless, especially in a thread like this.
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Lol, stating the country it happened in isn't even necessary anymore.
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I'm curious to see the race or religion of the gunmen. This seems to be a little bit more than the usual psychotic white maniac who goes batshit and kills people. they are usually young men who are killing their peers, IE high school kids, college kids, kids at a movie theater. but CHILDREN? little kids?, who the fuck would do something like that..I'm sick to my stomach watching this. whatever the race they are the scum of the fucking earth.
Horrible tragedy.
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Sources: 17 or 18 children dead.
20 year old gunmen from CT who was dressed all in black. Motive unclear. Do not know if he acted alone.
Read somewhere he was the father of oner of the kids or some shit
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LOL,
This is what you get when your government doesn't provide mental care for every citizen whether they are capable to pay for it or not.
Genuine, God fearing christian believers dont need "mental care" from a "government", all they need is a Bible and faithful family.
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So true and so wrong. Do you think someone crazy enough to shoot children will follow the laws and turn his guns in? Seriously? The only people who will be armed if that happens IS the crazies.
What we need is armed guards everywhere, teachers and pilots with guns, etc. Make gun training and carrying a fucking job requirement. If someone is crazy enough they will kill hut this guy would never get to 27 dead and all those kids if someone was armed there. I am seriously considering home schooling for my kids if this shit don't improve.
Everyone having a gun would have confused the situation especially for the police. No one would know who the bad guy was. A lot more people might have been killed in the cross fire
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If you are only good because of a giant bearded cctv camera in the sky, then you are not truly good at all.
Please don't try and rationalise the actions of the irrational by saying it's to do with a belief or lack of belief in a "God".
I never said what you insinuate or interpret.
Doing good because it is right is the result of a "right mind".
An increasingly diseased society is the result of a warped culture.
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i bet he is white
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Dont remember christians going to schools killing kids...wtf are you babbling about sf1900 ? BTW christians warriors changed the world for good, not for the worst, just like it will be needed again. Sure some werent real christians and gave christianism a bad name, but it's up to you to denigrate the faith they pretended to endorse when yourself dont even know what this faith is truly about, basically being yourself a brainwashed ignorant atheist who never read the Bible in the first place before making up your mind about it.
Only lost atheists or muslims would go to schools to kill...atheists or christian , buddhist, kids. Only a lost atheist beleiving in absurdity, would go kill other people kids to release his anger/frustration. This is the definition of insanity.
I also doubt there will be more muslim terror acts in north america, as the real danger now is a population of millions of people losing their jobs, homes, families, due to the depression we re in for at least 30 years. Atheists will lose everything and will want to make the "society" pay, because atheists arent part of a society, their superficial society is only an illusion where everyone is egocentrical, cynical, hypocrit and attempts to fuck each others in the ass, the opposite of a christian community.
Japan will collapse, then europe, then the united states, and the real danger will be your atheist neighbor who once he loses all his material goods, will either choose to become spiritual again by necessity, or devolve into an animal. Odds are high most people will devolve into animals and that only a strong faithful life protecting minority will stay spiritual and survive. Then they ll have to fight chinese and muslims who will take over whole eurasia, africa and australia.
why are you so bitter?
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you and why do you at times sound like suchmymuscle ?
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Very Sad. Who the fuck goes and shoots children?
an atheist who lost job/wife/kids/ felt betrayed by someone else/ended convinced that life isnt worth is , and that he must destroy it. Insanity. Only atheists can reach such level of self hartred. Basically someone who wasnt loved enough /able to love, to survive, go thru a mental breakdown. Most people who feel like they re useless and are ashamed by their mistakes or the suffering they created to others end killing THEMSELVES. To end killing OTHERS, you have to be convinced they are the problem/responsible for your sufferings. Also to end that way, you need to be completely abandonned by others, to have no meaningful relationship with a significant loving one at all anymore.
Madness is blind and utter destruction. Doesnt mean using strenght to protect life is the same. Only a faithful God fearing human can use strenght to do good, any atheist using strenght will end commiting blind violence.
One day we will have to use our force and faith to prevent faithless, mad human beings from destroying life either in their sole interest or with the goal to simply destroy everything.
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an atheist who lost job/wife/kids/ felt betrayed by someone else/ended convinced that life isnt worth is , and that he must destroy it. Insanity. Only atheists can reach such level of self hartred. Basically someone who wasnt loved enough /able to love, to survive, go thru a mental breakdown.
Madness is blind and utter destruction. Doesnt mean using strenght to protect life is the same. Only a faithful God fearing human can use strenght to do good, any atheist using strenght will end commiting blind violence.
One day we will have to use our force and faith to prevent faithless, mad human beings from destroying life either in their sole interest or with the goal to simply destroy everything.
aren't you the same asshole who wished an earthquake would level a high rise in Japan and kill thousands ?
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Shooter is probably another manchurian candidate like the Joker shooter
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Dont remember christians going to schools killing kids...wtf are you babbling about sf1900 ? BTW christians warriors changed the world for good, not for the worst, just like it will be needed again. Sure some werent real christians and gave christianism a bad name, but it's up to you to denigrate the faith they pretended to endorse when yourself dont even know what this faith is truly about, basically being yourself a brainwashed ignorant atheist who never read the Bible in the first place before making up your mind about it.
Only lost atheists or muslims would go to schools to kill...atheists or christian , buddhist, kids. Only a lost atheist beleiving in absurdity, would go kill other people kids to release his anger/frustration. This is the definition of insanity.
I also doubt there will be more muslim terror acts in north america, as the real danger now is a population of millions of people losing their jobs, homes, families, due to the depression we re in for at least 30 years. Atheists will lose everything and will want to make the "society" pay, because atheists arent part of a society, their superficial society is only an illusion where everyone is egocentrical, cynical, hypocrit and attempts to fuck each others in the ass, the opposite of a christian community.
Japan will collapse, then europe, then the united states, and the real danger will be your atheist neighbor who once he loses all his material goods, will either choose to become spiritual again by necessity, or devolve into an animal. Odds are high most people will devolve into animals and that only a strong faithful life protecting minority will stay spiritual and survive. Then they ll have to fight chinese and muslims who will take over whole eurasia, africa and australia.
Here you go moron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
Killed 77
Injured 242
(http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2011/07/Breivik-FB.JPG)
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aren't you the same asshole who wished an earthquake would level a high rise in Japan and kill thousands ?
Lol...Man you re thick. It was china, you retard, and yeah, most chinese not being God fearing humans but communisto capitalistic animals building cheap shit quick only to make profits deserve what they get if their stupid carelessy built on purpose creations end killing them.
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LIVE NEWS FEED
http://news.yahoo.com/video/abc-news-plus-special-report-220000361.html (http://news.yahoo.com/video/abc-news-plus-special-report-220000361.html)
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Here you go moron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
Remember the inquisition or jones town, Waco
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Lol...Man you re thick. It was china, you retard, and yeah, most chinese not being God fearing humans but communisto capitalistic animals building cheap shit quick only to make profits deserve what they get if their stupid careless creations end killing them.
(http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2011/07/Breivik-FB.JPG)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
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This is in the next town over. Sandy Hook is a pretty affluent area. Probably some douche in a domestic dispute with his wife.
I'm curious to see the race or religion of the gunmen. This seems to be a little bit more than the usual psychotic white maniac who goes batshit and kills people. they are usually young men who are killing their peers, IE high school kids, college kids, kids at a movie theater. but CHILDREN? little kids?, who the fuck would do something like that..I'm sick to my stomach watching this. whatever the race they are the scum of the fucking earth.
Horrible tragedy.
There aren't many minorities in Newtown or the surrounding towns. Mostly white, upper-middle class families so it was most likely a white guy. But I could always be wrong.
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I dont think ill be able to own that AR-15 i always wanted next year her in California :'(
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This is in the next town over. Sandy Hook is a pretty affluent area. Probably some douche in a domestic dispute with his wife.
There aren't many minorities in Newtown or the surrounding towns. Mostly white, upper-middle class families so it was most likely a white guy. But I could always be wrong.
I was hoping that race didnt come up...as it doesnt fucking matter
Foolish of me
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I was hoping that race didnt come up...as it doesnt fucking matter
Foolish of me
I didn't bring it up. I was just responding to a post.
Newtown is my high school's rival in all sports. They had 0 black guys on their sports teams.
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I was hoping that race didnt come up...as it doesnt fucking matter
Foolish of me
It only matters if the perp is black. :P
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All teachers should carry.
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I have trouble recalling any woman doing this.
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This is in the next town over. Sandy Hook is a pretty affluent area. Probably some douche in a domestic dispute with his wife.
There aren't many minorities in Newtown or the surrounding towns. Mostly white, upper-middle class families so it was most likely a white guy. But I could always be wrong.
I'm not race-baiting at all, this is horrible.. but the second suspect thing has got me wondering who is responsible, normally these crazy psychopaths act alone....but yes it's irrelevant
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I'm not race-baiting at all, this is horrible.. but the second suspect thing has got me wondering who is responsible, normally these crazy psychopaths act alone....but yes it's irrelevant
Not implying that you were at all. Just responding to your post as I know the area.
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guess the nation
second ammendment at work and at failure all at the same time
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?npt=NP1
What?
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Has FOX NEWS blamed this on Obama yet?
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I'm not race-baiting at all, this is horrible.. but the second suspect thing has got me wondering who is responsible, normally these crazy psychopaths act alone....but yes it's irrelevant
Apparently the other guy they have in custody was screaming "I DIDN'T DO IT" as he was being taken out. May have just been a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Not implying that you were at all. Just responding to your post as I know the area.
it's sickening. that's all i can say. little kids man, what the fuck.
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true anus, are you trying to make a point by spamming childishly a picture cause you cant formulate an argument with words?
Breivik wasnt a christian believer. He wasnt even able to get a gf and build a family. What's more interesting tho is that he came from a dysfunctionnal -even if rich- family , had bad relationships with his father and that his mother fucked colored people. There are so many smarter ways he could have sent his message, but he "chose" that one and ultimately completely annihilated the essence of his message in the first place and worst, gave a bad name to all of those who resist muslim invasion of europe.
One thing is sure tho, nothing is going to prevent it ultimately, because atheist europeans dont reproduce anymore, so they ll get replaced by muslims. Those who refuse it will move away.
Real christians are too busy building, creating life, which he wasnt able to do, and only defend it when it is endangered. They lead by showing a good example. He would have been more useful to his cause by building a family and defending his ideas with words and weapons at the right time. He didnt, because he had nothing else to speak of in his life, noone else to take care of. His act was desperate and with a caring woman by his side he would never had gone that way. The perfect example of a smart but unhappy atheist coming from a dysfunctionnal, cynical family who made bad use of his vital strenghts because he truly didnt have faith. He was also an attention whore well versed into the modern "facebook era", basically a confused mind in search of a meaning, a purpose, and mental discipline.
Still, there are ethnic, religious, class wars everywhere in the world and especially in a dying occident where atheists dont reproduce anymore and are prone to be completely erased/replaced, simply because they want, to be replaced. Those who want to be replaced will be replaced, those who dont want to be replaced, wont be replaced.
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Using that logic that means we also need ban: flying in airplanes, driving cars, booze, smoking, prescription meds, and don't forget forks and spoons for making people fat.
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true anus, are you trying to make a point by spamming childishly a picture cause you cant formulate an argument with words?
Breivik wasnt a christian believer. He wasnt even able to get a gf and build a family. What's more interesting tho is that he came from a dysfunctionnal -even if rich- family , had bad relationships with his father and that his mother fucked colored people. There are so many smarter ways he could have sent his message, but he "chose" that one and ultimately completely annihilated the essence of his message in the first place and worst, gave a bad name to all of those who resist muslim invasion of europe.
One thing is sure tho, nothing is going to prevent it ultimately, because atheist europeans dont reproduce anymore, so they ll get replaced by muslims.
Real christians are too busy building, creating life, which he wasnt able to do, and only defend it when it is endangered. He would have been more useful to his cause by building a family and defending his ideas with words and weapons at the right time. His act was desperate and with a genuine christian woman by his side he would never had gone that way. The perfect example of a smart but unhappy atheist coming from a dysfunctionnaly, cynical family who made bad use of his vital strenghts because he truly didnt have faith. He was also an attention whore well versed into the modern "facebook era", basically a confused mind in search of a meaning, a purpose, and mental discipline.
Still, there are ethnic, religious, class wars everywhere in the world and especially in a dying occident where atheists dont reproduce anymore and are prone to be completely erased/replaced, simply because they want, to be replaced. Those who want to be replaced will be replaced, those who dont want to be replaced, wont be replaced.
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http://news.yahoo.com/cops-7-dead-3-hurt-christian-school-shooting-214742437.html
Cops: 7 dead, 3 hurt in Christian school shooting
By TERRY COLLINS | Associated Press – Mon, Apr 2, 2012
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This exact kind of incident will keep happening when you have a legally armed general population, so many guns in circulation makes it very easy for any sort of lunatic to get his hands on one.
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Can we stay on the subject of sending some prayers and condolences to the victims families instead? Rather than discussing unrelated factors that you might think is more relevant than the death of children and adults being executed.
Prayers to the victims families!
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http://news.yahoo.com/cops-7-dead-3-hurt-christian-school-shooting-214742437.html
Cops: 7 dead, 3 hurt in Christian school shooting
By TERRY COLLINS | Associated Press – Mon, Apr 2, 2012
What exactly is your point of this? Did you even read the article or just post the first Christian + shooting search you found? This had nothing to do with a Christian shooting people.
Go take this shit somewhere else, it shouldn't even be discussed in this thread you fucking tool.
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This exact kind of incident will keep happening when you have a legally armed general population, so many guns in circulation makes it very easy for any sort of lunatic to get his hands on one.
Please tell me how no one can buy drugs because they are illegal.
Leave the politics out of this ffs.
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true anus, are you trying to make a point by spamming childishly a picture cause you cant formulate an argument with words?
Breivik wasnt a christian believer. He wasnt even able to get a gf and build a family. What's more interesting tho is that he came from a dysfunctionnal -even if rich- family , had bad relationships with his father and that his mother fucked colored people. There are so many smarter ways he could have sent his message, but he "chose" that one and ultimately completely annihilated the essence of his message in the first place and worst, gave a bad name to all of those who resist muslim invasion of europe.
One thing is sure tho, nothing is going to prevent it ultimately, because atheist europeans dont reproduce anymore, so they ll get replaced by muslims. Those who refuse it will move away.
Real christians are too busy building, creating life, which he wasnt able to do, and only defend it when it is endangered. They lead by showing a good example. He would have been more useful to his cause by building a family and defending his ideas with words and weapons at the right time. His act was desperate and with a genuine christian woman by his side he would never had gone that way. The perfect example of a smart but unhappy atheist coming from a dysfunctionnaly, cynical family who made bad use of his vital strenghts because he truly didnt have faith. He was also an attention whore well versed into the modern "facebook era", basically a confused mind in search of a meaning, a purpose, and mental discipline.
Still, there are ethnic, religious, class wars everywhere in the world and especially in a dying occident where atheists dont reproduce anymore and are prone to be completely erased/replaced, simply because they want, to be replaced. Those who want to be replaced will be replaced, those who dont want to be replaced, wont be replaced.
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http://articles.dailypress.com/1989-12-13/news/8912130120_1_mr-elliott-nicholas-elliott-portable-classroom
Teen Gets Life In Prison In Shooting
Student Was `Time Bomb That Went Off': Judge
December 13, 1989|By SEAN SOMERVILLE Staff Writer
VIRGINIA BEACH — As the Bible students prayed, cowering from their gun-wielding schoolmate, the semi-automatic pistol in Nicholas Elliott's hand misfired.
But for that misfire, the toll might have been higher in the shooting spree in which the teen-ager killed one teacher and wounded another a year ago at Atlantic Shores Christian School.
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true anus, are you trying to make a point by spamming childishly a picture cause you cant formulate an argument with words?
Breivik wasnt a christian believer. He wasnt even able to get a gf and build a family. What's more interesting tho is that he came from a dysfunctionnal -even if rich- family , had bad relationships with his father and that his mother fucked colored people. There are so many smarter ways he could have sent his message, but he "chose" that one and ultimately completely annihilated the essence of his message in the first place and worst, gave a bad name to all of those who resist muslim invasion of europe.
One thing is sure tho, nothing is going to prevent it ultimately, because atheist europeans dont reproduce anymore, so they ll get replaced by muslims. Those who refuse it will move away.
Real christians are too busy building, creating life, which he wasnt able to do, and only defend it when it is endangered. They lead by showing a good example. He would have been more useful to his cause by building a family and defending his ideas with words and weapons at the right time. He didnt, because he had nothing else to speak of in his life, noone else to take care of. His act was desperate and with a caring woman by his side he would never had gone that way. The perfect example of a smart but unhappy atheist coming from a dysfunctionnal, cynical family who made bad use of his vital strenghts because he truly didnt have faith. He was also an attention whore well versed into the modern "facebook era", basically a confused mind in search of a meaning, a purpose, and mental discipline.
Still, there are ethnic, religious, class wars everywhere in the world and especially in a dying occident where atheists dont reproduce anymore and are prone to be completely erased/replaced, simply because they want, to be replaced. Those who want to be replaced will be replaced, those who dont want to be replaced, wont be replaced.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/midatlantic-christian-uni_n_748922.html
Mid-Atlantic Christian University Shooting Leaves One Dead
12/05/10
A shooting Sunday afternoon at the Mid-Atlantic Christian University, formerly Roanoke Bible College, left a student dead.
Elizabeth City police were called to the 700 block of Poindexter St. shortly before 1 p.m. and they found the man dead when they arrived at the scene, according to a police news release. The victim was found inside a dormitory on campus, City Manager Rich Olson said.
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Can we stay on the subject of sending some prayers and condolences to the victims families instead? Rather than discussing unrelated factors that you might think is more relevant than the death of children and adults being executed.
Prayers to the victims families!
Praying is meditating, intense focused thinking, about something, to find a solution that suits the group/insure its survival. Again, reading comprehension troubles it seems. It is important to talk about it, to understand it to prevent it from happening. Talking about it and finding solutions is "praying". Some of you should really open dictionnaries once in a while. It's as if you dont even understand the meaning of the words you re using anymore.
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Praying is meditating, intense focused thinking, about something, to find a solution that suits the group/insure its survival. Again, reading comprehension troubles it seems. It is important to talk about it, to understand it to prevent it from happening. Talking about it and finding solutions is "praying". Some of you should really open dictionnaries once in a while. It's as if you dont even understand the meaning of the words you re using anymore.
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http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/mid-atlantic-christian-university-student-killed
One student said Schipper and Amyx lived in the same dorm. "All I know is that one semester, they were roommates for two weeks, but never saw them together," said Tiffany Moore, a student at MACU.
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Praying is meditating, intense focused thinking, about something, to find a solution that suits the group/insure its survival. Again, reading comprehension troubles it seems. It is important to talk about it, to understand it to prevent it from happening. Talking about it and finding solutions is "praying". Some of you should really open dictionnaries once in a while. It's as if you dont even understand the meaning of the words you re using anymore.
u are one dumb fuck,, u make me sick, gfy
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What exactly is your point of this? Did you even read the article or just post the first Christian + shooting search you found? This had nothing to do with a Christian shooting people.
Go take this shit somewhere else, it shouldn't even be discussed in this thread you fucking tool.
dont waste your time with this idiot. He s making no point, isnt going anywhere, just a smartass in need of recognition. A little child.
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Praying is meditating, intense focused thinking, about something, to find a solution that suits the group/insure its survival. Again, reading comprehension troubles it seems. It is important to talk about it, to understand it to prevent it from happening. Talking about it and finding solutions is "praying". Some of you should really open dictionnaries once in a while. It's as if you dont even understand the meaning of the words you re using anymore.
Praying is a supernatural term and is not the same as talking about a subject and trying to find a solution.
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James Holmes is sighing in releief now that he is not the most hated man in america
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Praying is a supernatural term and is not the same as talking about a subject and trying to find a solution.
well, why dont u tell that to this caveman anachronic piece of ignorance and shit that 's unterman,, praying,, sick fuck
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Everyone having a gun would have confused the situation especially for the police. No one would know who the bad guy was. A lot more people might have been killed in the cross fire
I said trained... not just some knuckleheads shooting everyone. Weak and tired argument. No gun has every committed one of these crimes... people do.
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dont waste your time with this idiot. He s making no point, isnt going anywhere, just a smartass in need of recognition. A little child.
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Christians, like yourself, are clearly capable of being monsters and do carry out mass shooting in the United States more so than those affiliated with any other religion or non-religion.
Hope this helps.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/midatlantic-christian-uni_n_748922.html
Mid-Atlantic Christian University Shooting Leaves One Dead
12/05/10
A shooting Sunday afternoon at the Mid-Atlantic Christian University, formerly Roanoke Bible College, left a student dead.
Elizabeth City police were called to the 700 block of Poindexter St. shortly before 1 p.m. and they found the man dead when they arrived at the scene, according to a police news release. The victim was found inside a dormitory on campus, City Manager Rich Olson said.
So because someone who oviously didnt follow apply or understand christian principles kills people in a christian communauty, means that christians people kill other people kids in schools.
Seriously, you re trying too hard. Not very mature for someone who always pretend he s smarter than everyone else but dont even have the mental capacities to explain his childish arguments. Not that anyone cares about them anyway, but people on the same level as you or dumber.
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So because someone who oviously didnt follow apply or understand christian principles kills people in a christian communauty, means that christians people kill other people kids in schools.
Seriously, you re trying too hard. Not very mature for someone who always pretend he s smarter than everyone else but dont even have the mental capacities to explain his childish arguments. Not that anyone cares about them anyway, but people on the same level as you or dumber.
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You are a piece of shit.
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Please tell me how no one can buy drugs because they are illegal.
Leave the politics out of this ffs.
It's not politics it's common sense, you think you are protecting yourselves with guns, while all the statistics say opposite. You're just making guns easily accessible to criminals and lunatics.
Why do you think these incidents happen several times a year in the US? Its a bit harder for some loony to go stab 27 people to death.
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So because someone who oviously didnt follow apply or understand christian principles kills people in a christian communauty, means that christians people kill other people kids in schools.
Seriously, you re trying too hard. Not very mature for someone who always pretend he s smarter than everyone else but dont even have the mental capacities to explain his childish arguments. Not that anyone cares about them anyway, but people on the same level as you or dumber.
Ah the old reliable and tested, "Christian Principles".
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You are a piece of shit.
(http://obamaletdownwatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/oh-snap.jpg?w=300&h=270)
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it bothers me when people say "my prayers go out to the family" Umm thanks but no thanks. Your prayers are useless and don't do anything. When do people think they have this supernatural ability?
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The need for Armed security in our Schools is long overdue. You cant bring a Slingshot to a gun fight folks!
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Christians, like yourself, are clearly capable of being monsters and do carry out mass shooting in the United States more so than those affiliated with any other religion or non-religion.
Hope this helps.
Lol.
ok Adam. How is your marriage going btw ? You know, that christian institution? How is caroline gresham doing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_(given_name)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles
You re seriously losing it lately. It's as if your logic was completely destroyed and you couldnt come with anything else but childish insults.
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What exactly is your point of this? Did you even read the article or just post the first Christian + shooting search you found? This had nothing to do with a Christian shooting people.
Go take this shit somewhere else, it shouldn't even be discussed in this thread you fucking tool.
The True Twinkiedonis is still butthurt over the fact that his parents made him wake up early on Sundays to got to church.
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Lol.
ok Adam. How is your marriage going btw ? You know, that christian institution? How is caroline gresham doing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_(given_name)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles
You re seriously losing it lately.
Nothing like a real Christian to resort to desperate personal attacks. You are complete hypocrite btw, always changing your stance and positions whenever it fits your dogma.
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I said trained... not just some knuckleheads shooting everyone. Weak and tired argument. No gun has every committed one of these crimes... people do.
Even if trained it causes confusion and makes it difficult for police to assess and contain the situation. I'm a gun owner myself but I don't think it logically follows that more guns always equals greater safety. To many people have fantasies of being John Wayne
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Praying is meditating, intense focused thinking, about something, to find a solution that suits the group/insure its survival. Again, reading comprehension troubles it seems. It is important to talk about it, to understand it to prevent it from happening. Talking about it and finding solutions is "praying". Some of you should really open dictionnaries once in a while. It's as if you dont even understand the meaning of the words you re using anymore.
Stop over thinking and over defining words for what it is. Discussing a subject with you is either beating a dead horse or going around in circles. I don't have time with this. Like I said, simply put either sending prayers or condolences. End of story, no hard feelings.
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I didn't bring it up. I was just responding to a post.
Newtown is my high school's rival in all sports. They had 0 black guys on their sports teams.
did they suck
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did they suck
Maybe - but they probably have little or no crime, very high literacy scores, low teen prego #, etc unlike Compton
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Nothing like a real Christian to resort to desperate personal attacks. You are complete hypocrite btw, always changing your stance and positions whenever it fits your dogma.
Hes also too stupid to realize that there is nothing christian when it comes to marriage in the United States unless you choose to put that kind of nonsensical bullshit into it. Furthermore, marriage has been around a lot longer than worthless Christianity.
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Only on GB can a tragedy like this turn into a religious debate. Good job, Uberasshole.
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Even if trained it causes confusion and makes it difficult for police to assess and contain the situation. I'm a gun owner myself but I don't think it logically follows that more guns always equals greater safety. To many people have fantasies of being John Wayne
Again weak argument ... Everyone wants to be John Wayne... How would you knôw the shooter... How about a fucking uniform? Trained, armed, uniformed teachers. Maybe it would chase some of the libtards out of the profession. Or even better... how do you know the shooter? He's the dead asshole on the floor because he got shot dead before he killed a bunch of people? How's that for John Wayne?
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Stop over thinking and over defining words for what it is. Discussing a subject with you is either beating a dead horse or going around in circles. I don't have time with this. Like I said, simply put either sending prayers or condolences. End of story, no hard feelings.
Sorry for exposing the fact that you didnt know the definition of the word you were using and suggesting you open a dictionnary and look for it. Also maybe you should re read the Bible to understand the meaning of christians prayers in their past -and present- contexts.
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Maybe - but they probably have little or no crime, very high literacy scores, low teen prego #, etc unlike Compton
They what.. the city.. the school.. What the fuck are you blabberinig about?...
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Hes also too stupid to realize that there is nothing christian when it comes to marriage in the United States unless you choose to put that kind of nonsensical bullshit into it. Furthermore, marriage has been around a lot longer than worthless Christianity.
and you pretend to be educated when you cant even put things in order and perspective ? What a bozo.
This quote would suit you well:
You are complete hypocrite btw, always changing your stance and positions whenever it fits your dogma.
thanks btw, "nomad".
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Again weak argument ... Everyone wants to be John Wayne... How would you knôw the shooter... How about a fucking uniform? Trained, armed, uniformed teachers. Maybe it would chase some of the libtards out of the profession. Or even better... how do you know the shooter? He's the dead asshole on the floor because he got shot dead before he killed a bunch of people? How's that for John Wayne?
Yes this is the way to go, have armed, uniformed teachers, better still have a tank outside every school, obviously makes more sense than just severely cutting the number of guns in circulation making it far more difficult for these lunatics to get one.
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Hey True Assdanus, were you making all these posts after Fort Hood? Just curious... and I lol at how you just parrot the popular view of everything. Someone says Muslims kill people... TA posts so do christians. Someone says Obama sucks... in comes TA posting a Bush story. It is so tired and predictable I can count how many posts before you post some dumb popularism view you found on msnbc.
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Again weak argument ... Everyone wants to be John Wayne... How would you knôw the shooter... How about a fucking uniform? Trained, armed, uniformed teachers. Maybe it would chase some of the libtards out of the profession. Or even better... how do you know the shooter? He's the dead asshole on the floor because he got shot dead before he killed a bunch of people? How's that for John Wayne?
What I'm telling you is what members of law enforcement have told me. Uniforms is a weak argument. The bad guy could just imitate it. The police are going to assume anyone armed is dangerous.
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Yes this is the way to go, have armed, uniformed teachers, better still have a tank outside every school, obviously makes more sense than just severely cutting the number of guns in circulation making it far more difficult for these lunatics to get one.
Please explain for us how taking guns from law abiding citizens will stop this? Criminals will not turn in thier guns.... they are fucking criminals. But this law, they will follow?
Please enlighten us with your wisdom. We are waiting for your intelligent well thought out plan.
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/rlanza?fref=ts
I think this is the guy
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You re seriously losing it lately. It's as if your logic was completely destroyed and you couldnt come with anything else but childish insults.
ah you know how it is your self
them 4 dry sucks / fucks must be making you cranky
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Sorry for exposing the fact that you didnt know the definition of the word you were using and suggesting you open a dictionnary and look for it. Also maybe you should re read the Bible to understand the meaning of christians prayers in their past -and present- contexts.
Nobody needs a lesson in Semantics on what "prayer" is according to a massive dickhead such as yourself. and it's just an excuse for you to get your fucking soapbox with your warped beliefs. a bunch of little kids got killed, people feel bad for them, shut the fuck up
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/rlanza?fref=ts
I think this is the guy
BI saying this is the guy
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http://www.businessinsider.com/sandy-hook-shooting-gundman-2012-12
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What I'm telling you is what members of law enforcement have told me. Uniforms is a weak argument. The bad guy could just imitate it. The police are going to assume anyone armed is dangerous.
What is this??? Die hard? Imitate the uniform? Really? That's the best you got?
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Why do you think these incidents happen several times a year in the US? Its a bit harder for some loony to go stab 27 people to death.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?npt=NP1
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Hey True Assdanus, were you making all these posts after Fort Hood? Just curious... and I lol at how you just parrot the popular view of everything. Someone says Muslims ki people... TA posts so do christians. Someone says Obama sucks... in comes TA posting a Bush story. It is so tired and predictable I can count how many posts before you post some dumb popularism view you found on msnbc.
that's the only way he found to get attention, simply parroting mainstream , pre fabricated stuff the majority already knows even if it goes nowhere. These people dont look for solutions, they just enforce what is already established even if it's detrimental to the group -but it's ok as long as it is not detrimental to their daily life-.
Paper warriors.
Typical of a self proclaimed pseudo intellectual who always swim in the direction of the flow without even questionning it. Exposure is what he s interested in, not finding deeply thoughts solutions, cause he s simply not able to produce the intellectual work to do so. Doesnt want to change things and put the efforts in it or risk his image, just want to be looked at and be acclaimed.
True anus has nothing else to show off, dude never developped any kind of constructed argument anywhere. When facing people who do, he disappears in a childish anger. He d better stay in the kitchen while his rich wife is the breadwinner before pretending to be a man.
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NBC reports that the gunman shot and killed his mother, who was a teacher at the school, in New Jersey before heading to the school.
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the shooters Weapon
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-GJSUFCUAANr51.jpg:large)
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that's the only way he found to get attention, simply parroting mainstream , pre fabricated stuff the majority already knows even if it goes nowhere. These people dont look for solutions, they just enforce what is already established even if it's detrimental to the group -but it's ok as long as it is not detrimental to their daily life-.
Paper warriors.
Typical of a self proclaimed pseudo intellectual who always swim in the direction of the flow without even questionning it. Exposure is what he s interested in, not finding deeply thoughts solutions, cause he s simply not able to produce the intellectual work to do so.
True anus has nothing else to show off, dude never developped any kind of constructed argument anywhere. When facing people who do, he disappears in a childish anger. He d better stay in the kitchen while his rich wife is the breadwinner before pretending to be a man.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24186690.jpg)
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What is this??? Die hard? Imitate the uniform? Really? That's the best you got?
If they are intent on shooting why wouldn't they? Arming teachers and putting them in uniforms is a bit fanciful.
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Been confirmed that its Ryan Lanza. He has a FB.
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Been confirmed that its Ryan Lanza. He has a FB.
I posted it above.
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Fucking media calling James Holmes, John Holmes. Some newscasters have porn in their brains.
Compare this guy to the right person, not a porn star
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Please explain for us how taking guns from law abiding citizens will stop this? Criminals will not turn in thier guns.... they are fucking criminals. But this law, they will follow?
Please enlighten us with your wisdom. We are waiting for your intelligent well thought out plan.
What you need is some kind of amnesty, a time period in which people can go hand in their firearms whether they are permitted to own them or not(no punishment). After that period you tighten the gun licensing criteria more in line with the rest of the developed world. So you have far fewer people who can legally own a friearm and far less in circulation.
Then introduce a very high mandatory sentence like 10yrs prison for anyone caught in possession of one, no quibble sentence, if you're caught with one its a 10yrs no argument.
We have 5yrs in the UK but due to the position you're already in i think would need to be higher. Then see how many petty criminals want to carry guns like fashion accessories.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/sandy-hook-shooting-gundman-2012-12
Is this the alleged shooter? NBC reports that the gunman shot and killed his mother, who was a teacher at the school, in New Jersey before heading to the school.
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Shooter ID'd as Ryan Lanza
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What you need is some kind of amnesty, a time period in which people can go hand in their firearms whether they are permitted to own them or not(no punishment). After that period you tighten the gun licensing criteria more in line with the rest of the developed world. So you have far fewer people who can legally own a friearm and far less in circulation.
Then introduce a very high mandatory sentence like 10yrs prison for anyone caught in possession of one, no quibble sentence, if you're caught with one its a 10yrs no argument.
We have 5yrs in the UK but due to the position you're already in i think would need to be higher. Then see how many petty criminals want to carry guns like fashion accessories.
That's nice. But if you're in the mindset to obtain a weapon and go on a mass killing spree...and then ending your life...I don't think that you're going to be worried about being caught with an illegal weapon.
Also, they can ban guns outright 100%. But one will still be able to buy one from the trunk of a car in a seedy portion of a major city.
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The natural result of a Godless anti-christ society.
You talk like an ignorant fanatic religious retard (by the way being fanatic religious imply always being ignorant and retard)!!!
Go back and study the histotry of mankind and you'll learn than trough the history worst atrocity have been made in the name of God !!!
Google to Crusades and you'll discover about the Christian atrocity of the past !!!
Christians in the past were just like integralist fanatic terrorist muslims now !!!
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They just announced they found a dead body in his house as well.
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If uberman had a son he would look like Ryan
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Some dickhead already made a RIP facebook about this fucking coward
http://www.facebook.com/RIPRyanLanza (http://www.facebook.com/RIPRyanLanza)
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see how the uk does it
Explain it to us Sherlock Homley. Including how thier crime rates skyrocketed after they started taking guns away.
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that's the only way he found to get attention, simply parroting mainstream , pre fabricated stuff the majority already knows even if it goes nowhere. These people dont look for solutions, they just enforce what is already established even if it's detrimental to the group -but it's ok as long as it is not detrimental to their daily life-.
Paper warriors.
Typical of a self proclaimed pseudo intellectual who always swim in the direction of the flow without even questionning it. Exposure is what he s interested in, not finding deeply thoughts solutions, cause he s simply not able to produce the intellectual work to do so. Doesnt want to change things and put the efforts in it or risk his image, just want to be looked at and be acclaimed.
True anus has nothing else to show off, dude never developped any kind of constructed argument anywhere. When facing people who do, he disappears in a childish anger. He d better stay in the kitchen while his rich wife is the breadwinner before pretending to be a man.
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Some dickhead already made a RIP facebook about this fucking coward
http://www.facebook.com/RIPRyanLanza (http://www.facebook.com/RIPRyanLanza)
4chan strong ::)
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?npt=NP1
That story 22 wounded with a knife, none dead AFIA. I'd much rath a loony with a knife than a gun...You're never gonna stop loonies from doing sh@t like this, but your gun laws make it far too easy for these loonies to get weapons that will cause maximum damage.
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What you need is some kind of amnesty, a time period in which people can go hand in their firearms whether they are permitted to own them or not(no punishment). After that period you tighten the gun licensing criteria more in line with the rest of the developed world. So you have far fewer people who can legally own a friearm and far less in circulation.
Then introduce a very high mandatory sentence like 10yrs prison for anyone caught in possession of one, no quibble sentence, if you're caught with one its a 10yrs no argument.
We have 5yrs in the UK but due to the position you're already in i think would need to be higher. Then see how many petty criminals want to carry guns like fashion accessories.
This just in... this is already what we do. It don't work. Try again.
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America, the land of fucktards. 9/11 happens and the USA spends Trillions on the War on Terror and killed hundreds of thousands. THousand die every year from gun violence and the politicians look the other way to not upset hunters. Fucking useless
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http://www.facebook.com/rlanza?fref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/rlanza?fref=ts)
??? ???
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Some dickhead already made a RIP facebook about this fucking coward
http://www.facebook.com/RIPRyanLanza (http://www.facebook.com/RIPRyanLanza)
Free country. Plus facebook is gay
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https://twitter.com/Fletch788/status/279668466150166528/photo/1
Wasn't the Ryan Lanza everyone is linking to.
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Wow, so this guy killed his mom who was a teacher then went to the school to kill her students. What a fucking loser. Why don't schools have a security guard?
Jewish school near my house looks like a military compound with the security they have
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lol killer is probably son of an atheist democrat voting parents who spent his life watching violent movies instead of working/studying...Christian parents control the content of what their kids watch. To act the way these monsters do, you need to imitate something you ve seen first. Wonder what his mother/parents did to him for him to end doing such nonsense. What a coward. Fucking kids. This is what your ATHEIST SOCIETY PRODUCES, you hypocrits.
Guns are tools, just like rocks, hammers, cars , knives... what matters is what is in the man or woman 's mind who carries it. The real question is how did this dude's family produces such a monster, period.
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http://www.facebook.com/rlanza?fref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/rlanza?fref=ts)
??? ???
This is his personal facebook, check out his older stories section with the grand theft auto clip.
http://www.facebook.com/rlanza
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That's nice. But if you're in the mindset to obtain a weapon and go on a mass killing spree...and then ending your life...I don't think that you're going to be worried about being caught with an illegal weapon.
Also, they can ban guns outright 100%. But one will still be able to buy one from the trunk of a car in a seedy portion of a major city.
Yes but even if you have the mindset to do that in the UK or most parts of Europe its still very difficult to get your hands on a firearm. Whereas these geeky kids that are continually going on shooting in the US are obviously not finding it too difficult.
I'm not saying you will ever outright stop gun crime but if you seriously cut down the guns in circulation gun crime figures will follow.
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already a few Facebook pages created
Ryan Lanza you were a Coward
Community · 337 likes
Ryan Lanza est un fou
Community · 2 likes
Ryan Lanza FUCK You
Community · 21 likes
Ryan lanza may u rest in hell
Community · 15 likes
Ryan Lanza Conneticut Shooter - Rot in Hell
Community · 171 likes
Ryan Lanza SUCKS
News Personality · 25 likes
Ryan Lanza Deserved To Die
Community · 45 likes
Ryan Lanza should burn in hell.
Public Figure · 20 likes
Ryan Lanza BAMF
Community · 1 like
Ryan Lanza - Murderer
Public Figure · 15 likes
Ryan Lanza Mass Murderer
Community · 4 likes
Fuck Ryan Lanza
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Yes but even if you have the mindset to do that in the UK or most parts of Europe its still very difficult to get your hands on a firearm. Whereas these geeky kids that are continually going on shooting in the US are obviously not finding it too difficult.
I'm not saying you will ever outright stop gun crime but if you seriously cut down the guns in circulation gun crime figures will follow.
I dunno. Prohibition seriously cut down on the amount of alcohol in circulation.
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LOL,
This is what you get when your government doesn't provide mental care for every citizen whether they are capable to pay for it or not.
You forgot to mention that this is a result also of a governement that let everybody buy a guns !
Ban the sale of guns or make very hard to get them like they do in Europe and shit like this will not happen !
It is not a case that massive killings like that happen a lot more frequently in USA than in Europe !
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Yes but even if you have the mindset to do that in the UK or most parts of Europe its still very difficult to get your hands on a firearm. Whereas these geeky kids that are continually going on shooting in the US are obviously not finding it too difficult.
I'm not saying you will ever outright stop gun crime but if you seriously cut down the guns in circulation gun crime figures will follow.
I couldn't agree more. The less guns you have available, the less likely these things happen.
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This just in... this is already what we do. It don't work. Try again.
lol so you have very tight gun licensing laws nationwide? From my reading in many states you need little more than an ID card and a clean criminal record to buy one? You already have 10yr mandatory sentences for simple possession of a firearm?
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I couldn't agree more. The less guns you have available, the less likely these things happen.
But, but, but what about the hunters???????? They need access to military grade assault weapons for hunting squirrels. I ahte when politicians justify guns because of hunters. Just go to the grocery store and buy your meat like everyone else.
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This guy killed his parents, the father in the house, and then went to kill the mother and her students
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Doesn't america have thousands of soldiers that are paid salaries that do fuck all? Why not assign one per school for security duty? They are paying them anyways. Have them on a rotation.
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why curious about the race or religion?
more than anything it has to do with american todays culture and gun ownerships.
a tragedy, i dont think thats the proper term, i mean what do you expect if you give a machinegun(deadly weapon) to a monkey(american)?
youre not allowed to drink a beer until 21 in the usa and its outlawed to buy a hooker in many states, but getting a gu legaly is no problem.
because there were initial reports of two gunmen, normally this shit is one fucking psychopath, as more info comes in it seems that's the case. i was thinking terrorism to be honest
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But, but, but what about the hunters???????? They need access to military grade assault weapons for hunting squirrels. I ahte when politicians justify guns because of hunters. Just go to the grocery store and buy your meat like everyone else.
Lol! Exactly.
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This is his personal facebook, check out his older stories section with the grand theft auto clip.
http://www.facebook.com/rlanza
Hey, this is not the shooter. Better remove those links.
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Banning guns isn't going to cure the mentality in our society that violence is a viable solution. Banning guns is a band aid
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Banning guns isn't going to cure the mentality in our society that violence is a viable solution. Banning guns is a band aid
We need more guns. One in the hands of every man, woman or child. Only the strong err, I mean best shot survive. ???
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We need more guns. One in the hands of every man, woman or child. Only the strong err, I mean best shot survive. ???
What I'm saying is that a component of the gun violence problem is a cultural one.
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i was watching the news and they interviewed a teacher
"the kids were telling miss??? i dont want to die, i just want Christmas, i just wants christmas, i told her you will have christmas, you will have Hanukkah dont worry"
Why did the teacher say Hanukkah if the kid said she wanted christmas ??? ???
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its a start, though.but i see what you mean, if you ban guns but still have many criminal minds out there ready for violence either way.
ah cool.i know its not the moment for jokes but i find it interesting that americans would suspect terrorism(well,it is) when these mass school shootings are quite common and frequent.
europe has almost double the population the usa has, yet these mass shootings are rare.
i remember one in germany and the breivik nutcase
Typical live in fear white america thinks everything is terrorism and overract then once they know an arab wasn't invovled move on and hug their guns telling them how much they love them.
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Sad shit. Leave it to the anti gun nuts to use this tragedy to push their agenda. ::)
Banning guns only affects law abiding citizens. Case closed.
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the insane dont know theyre insane
they do, but are convinced there wont be any consequencies to their actions wether they re good or bad, especially after their death wether it's self inflicted or not. Someone who fears God and believes in Heaven and Hell wont do bad fearing to suffer after his death if he did wrong while alive. Someone who thinks there is nothing after death, and that self inflicted death equals the end of his suffering on earth wont care and will only satisfy his current hunger for destruction. To end thinking that way, this person has to have been conditionned,designed for decades, to become that senseless monster, by ...someone else. What would be interesting would be to know what is on this dude's computer harddrive or what his dvd collection looks like, what the family life looked like..
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Wow, so this guy killed his mom who was a teacher then went to the school to kill her students.
That statement doesn't make sense. What do you mean "killed his mom and then went to the school to kill her students"? If she was a teacher, he would already be at the school when he killed his Mom.
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Guess the race. The white menace must be stopped.
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Guess the race. The white menace must be stopped.
White People should not be allowed to buy guns
black people should not be allowed to buy stolen guns
World Peace will follow
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That statement doesn't make sense. What do you mean "killed his mom and then went to the school to kill her students"? If she was a teacher, he would already be at the school when he killed his Mom.
It is now being reportd he killed his dad at the home, then went to the school to kill his mom and children.
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White People should not be allowed to buy guns
black people should not be allowed to buy stolen guns
World Peace will follow
do you mean
White People should be allowed to buy stolen guns
black people should be allowed to buy guns
?
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China Man Wan Bee Famoose chew
www.indianexpress.com/news/chinse-man-goes-on-stabbing-spree-at-a-school-22-kids-hurt/1045394/ (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/chinse-man-goes-on-stabbing-spree-at-a-school-22-kids-hurt/1045394/)
Chinese man goes on stabbing spree at a school: 22 kids hurt
The dreaded attacks on school children returned to haunt China today after 22 of them were injured besides an 85-year-old woman after a "mentally deranged" man, armed with a knife, went on a slashing spree at a primary school.
Armed with a knife Min Yingjun, 36 attacked group of children at the gate of a primary school in central China's Henan Province setting off panic in the village.
The woman and most of the injured students suffered head wounds.
Some of them were in shock, according to the People's Hospital of the county, which received most of the people injured in the attack.
All the injured people have been sent to three local hospitals and at least two of them, one student and an 85-year-old woman, are in serious condition, state-run Xinhua news agency reported.
The attack took place this morning at the entrance of Chenpeng Village Primary School in Wenshu Township of Guangshan County in the city of Xinyang.
Local police said they had detained Min, stated to be mentally deranged person.
Min burst into the 85-year-old woman's house, located next to the school and went baresark after an argument, according to the daughter of the old woman.
Liu is said to have seized a knife at the house and attacked the elderly woman.
He then left, rushed into the school campus and slashed students, according to villagers.
The suspect was unknown in the village and might be mentally ill, some villagers said.
"I want to go home," cried a 7-year-old student surnamed Wei, who arrived at the hospital in a serious condition with a skull fracture.
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do you mean
White People should be allowed to buy stolen guns
black people should be allowed to buy guns
?
Yes exactly
White people to scared to buy stolen property
black people to cheap to afford a new gun
problemO Solved
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White People should not be allowed to buy guns
black people should not be allowed to buy stolen guns
World Peace will follow
THE WHITE MENACE MUST BE STOPPED! >:(
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Dont remember christians going to schools killing kids...wtf are you babbling about sf1900 ? BTW christians warriors changed the world for good, not for the worst, just like it will be needed again. Sure some werent real christians and gave christianism a bad name, but it's up to you to denigrate the faith they pretended to endorse when yourself dont even know what this faith is truly about, basically being yourself a brainwashed ignorant atheist who never read the Bible in the first place before making up your mind about it.
Only lost atheists or muslims would go to schools to kill...atheists or christian , buddhist, kids. Only a lost atheist beleiving in absurdity, would go kill other people kids to release his anger/frustration. This is the definition of insanity.
I also doubt there will be more muslim terror acts in north america, as the real danger now is a population of millions of people losing their jobs, homes, families, due to the depression we re in for at least 30 years. Atheists will lose everything and will want to make the "society" pay, because atheists arent part of a society, their superficial society is only an illusion where everyone is egocentrical, cynical, hypocrit and attempts to fuck each others in the ass, the opposite of a christian community.
Japan will collapse, then europe, then the united states, and the real danger will be your atheist neighbor who once he loses all his material goods, will either choose to become spiritual again by necessity, or devolve into an animal. Odds are high most people will devolve into animals and that only a strong faithful life protecting minority will stay spiritual and survive. Then they ll have to fight chinese and muslims who will take over whole eurasia, africa and australia.
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http://news.yahoo.com/video/abc-news-plus-special-report-220000361.html (http://news.yahoo.com/video/abc-news-plus-special-report-220000361.html)
OBAMA LIVE FEED NOW
here comes the gun control issue bill
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http://news.yahoo.com/video/abc-news-plus-special-report-220000361.html (http://news.yahoo.com/video/abc-news-plus-special-report-220000361.html)
OBAMA LIVE FEED NOW
here comes the gun control issue bill
Lol...pointless.
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China Man Wan Bee Famoose chew
www.indianexpress.com/news/chinse-man-goes-on-stabbing-spree-at-a-school-22-kids-hurt/1045394/ (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/chinse-man-goes-on-stabbing-spree-at-a-school-22-kids-hurt/1045394/)
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a knife, has he not heard of US knowhow and productivity ?
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Dont remember christians going to schools killing kids...wtf are you babbling about sf1900 ? BTW christians warriors changed the world for good, not for the worst, just like it will be needed again. Sure some werent real christians and gave christianism a bad name, but it's up to you to denigrate the faith they pretended to endorse when yourself dont even know what this faith is truly about, basically being yourself a brainwashed ignorant atheist who never read the Bible in the first place before making up your mind about it.
Only lost atheists or muslims would go to schools to kill...atheists or christian , buddhist, kids. Only a lost atheist beleiving in absurdity, would go kill other people kids to release his anger/frustration. This is the definition of insanity.
I also doubt there will be more muslim terror acts in north america, as the real danger now is a population of millions of people losing their jobs, homes, families, due to the depression we re in for at least 30 years. Atheists will lose everything and will want to make the "society" pay, because atheists arent part of a society, their superficial society is only an illusion where everyone is egocentrical, cynical, hypocrit and attempts to fuck each others in the ass, the opposite of a christian community.
Japan will collapse, then europe, then the united states, and the real danger will be your atheist neighbor who once he loses all his material goods, will either choose to become spiritual again by necessity, or devolve into an animal. Odds are high most people will devolve into animals and that only a strong faithful life protecting minority will stay spiritual and survive. Then they ll have to fight chinese and muslims who will take over whole eurasia, africa and australia.
SHUT THE FUCK UP PLEASE!!!! Go fuck your wife in ass and reshape her into a real christion women... In Jesus name "AMEN" now go away you fungus!!!
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SHUT THE FUCK UP PLEASE!!!! Go fuck your wife in ass and reshape her into a real christion women... In Jesus name "AMEN" now go away you fungus!!!
lol
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If Obama passes a bill, I buy a dozen guns off the record.
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That statement doesn't make sense. What do you mean "killed his mom and then went to the school to kill her students"? If she was a teacher, he would already be at the school when he killed his Mom.
apparently she didn't show up to work that morning. He killed her at home, at least according to ABC news
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Guess the race. The white menace must be stopped.
A Black man kills, he's a menace to society.
A Foreign man kills, he's a terrorist.
But a White man kills, he's psychologically unstable.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP PLEASE!!!! Go fuck your wife in ass and reshape her into a real christion women... In Jesus name "AMEN" now go away you fungus!!!
That was really interesting. Proving us again you have a lot of knowledges to bring to a conversation about serious matters. You can whine all you want you still dont have any control over what anyone can post on here.
Speaking of assholes, i really tore you a new one it seems judging by your recently found anger toward me. You should stop puting males hormones in your body, looks like it makes you lose your temper.
Btw, anal games are for low lives life you, as a Christian I'm not interested in that "shit". I hope you genuinely keep spreading my posts to millions of women btw.
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A Black man kills, he's a menace to society.
A Foreign man kills, he's a terrorist.
But a White man kills, he's psychologically unstable.
It's crazy isn't it? :-X :-X :-X
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A Black man kills, he's a menace to society.
A Foreign man kills, he's a terrorist.
But a White man kills, he's psychologically unstable.
This is just untrue. A black man kills hes a victim of his upbringing, being fatherless, society or institutionalized racism.
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It's crazy isn't it? :-X :-X :-X
Shouldn't you not be caring since we are all dying in exactly 7 days from now?
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That was really interesting.
Speaking of assholes, i really tore you a new one it seems judging by your recently found anger toward me. You should stop puting males hormones in your body, looks like it makes you lose your temper.
Btw, anal games are for low lives life you, as a Christian I'm not interested in that "shit". I hope you genuinely keep spreading my posts to millions of women btw.
Mr Uberman
If you were up to your neck in shit and someone threw a bucket of snot at your head what would you do ?
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Shouldn't you not be caring since we are all dying in exactly 7 days from now?
Don't twist my words. Go reread my posts. If there's anything that happens it will be at the hand of man. A false alien attack would be a great tool to usher in a new world order. The world will not end. It doesn't say so in the Bible. We are getting close though, how close? I don't know. We still haven't seen the anti christ and, we aren't in a on world government yet. Yes, the bible actually states, there will be a one world government.
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A Black man kills, he's a menace to society.
A Foreign man kills, he's a terrorist.
But a White man kills, he's psychologically unstable.
SUMMED UP WELL...
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Handguns were made for killing, they ain't no good for nothin' else. -Ronnie V
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Using that logic that means we also need ban: flying in airplanes, driving cars, booze, smoking, prescription meds, and don't forget forks and spoons for making people fat.
These are kids at a school.. they didn't get a chance to choose if they wanted to live ..
This would not of happened if the fucker had no gun
You have a choice to fly / drive/ booze.. etc.... this were kids killed by a stupid fuk with a gun!
We need better gun control
>:(
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These are kids at a school.. they didn't get a chance to choose if they wanted to live ..
This would not of happened if the fucker had no gun
You have a choice to fly / drive/ booze.. etc.... this were kids killed by a stupid fuk with a gun!
We need better gun control
>:(
this young atheist democrat voting kid probably stole weapons from someone who was suposed to stock them in secure place with ammo and gun separated and protected by locks... It's another story if he purchased them legally all by himself. A logic requirment would be to prove you are mentally healthy before buying weapons, but it s already somewhat of a condition when you apply for a gun registration after you obtained you were succesful in the test. I dont know how it works in that particular state of the USA, but here in canada the government and military police make a little survey , interogate your siblings etc before handing you the permit.
Anyway, nothing can prevent someone unhappy to pretend he s happy enough to be able to obtain guns...
At the end of the day the real question is: what did that kid have in his head, and how he became so fucked up. Considering he killed his parents first and foremost, we might never know as they were the first responsible for all of this, one way or another. Had they been alive, they could have said nothing even knowing what was their part of responsability in the process of transforming their son into such a monster.
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Why does Obama have to pretend to be crying by wiping away tears ???.
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Why does Obama have to pretend to be crying by wiping away tears ???.
because it works on his base and cult following of idiots
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SUMMED UP WELL...
No, its not.
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because it works on his base and cult following of idiots
Betsy Wetsy for president.........he's doing his schtick.
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Saw this a few minutes ago.
Andrew Sullivan prints an astute comment about gun control from a reader. http://andrewsullivan....
"In a remarkable coincidence, just as people were learning about the Connecticut elementary school shooting, we were also reading about a knife attack on elementary school kids in China. While both events are horrific and indicative of mental illnesses in their perpetrators, the contrast is clear: Without a gun, one deranged maniac was able to severely wound 22 kids, but, as of this writing, none of them have died. With a gun, another deranged maniac was able to shoot dead more than two dozen people in a matter of minutes." 36 minutes ago
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No, its not.
CARE TO ADD..
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3:29 PM – Today
Report: Suspect's brother found dead in NJ
@ sinderbrandCNN : From CNN Justice Prod Terry Frieden: Sr law enforcement official familiar w/investigation says Ryan Lanza's brother found dead in Hoboken
twitter
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Handguns were made for killing, they ain't no good for nothin' else. -Ronnie V
QFT
ENOUGH WITH The NRA BULLSHIT...
>:(
They are the biggest lobbyist in Washington ...
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A Black man kills, he's a menace to society.
A Foreign man kills, he's a terrorist.
But a White man kills, he's psychologically unstable.
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Why does Obama have to pretend to be crying by wiping away tears ???.
lol, he wasn't crying. I saw his speech, it looked like this
"our children are innocent"
--Pause, look down and count to 10 slowly
"Families can't hug their children"
--Pause again, count to five, big swallow, wipe your right eye
OF COURSE OBAMA WIPES THE TOP OF HIS EYE, MAYBE HIS TEARS ROLL UP
"The brave parents who were there"
-Pause, count to 3, stay looking down, wipe left eye
"god bless you"
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Saw this a few minutes ago.
Andrew Sullivan prints an astute comment about gun control from a reader. http://andrewsullivan....
"In a remarkable coincidence, just as people were learning about the Connecticut elementary school shooting, we were also reading about a knife attack on elementary school kids in China. While both events are horrific and indicative of mental illnesses in their perpetrators, the contrast is clear: Without a gun, one deranged maniac was able to severely wound 22 kids, but, as of this writing, none of them have died. With a gun, another deranged maniac was able to shoot dead more than two dozen people in a matter of minutes." 36 minutes ago
Qft
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Qft
ninja skills > guns
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Saw this a few minutes ago.
Andrew Sullivan prints an astute comment about gun control from a reader. http://andrewsullivan....
"In a remarkable coincidence, just as people were learning about the Connecticut elementary school shooting, we were also reading about a knife attack on elementary school kids in China. While both events are horrific and indicative of mental illnesses in their perpetrators, the contrast is clear: Without a gun, one deranged maniac was able to severely wound 22 kids, but, as of this writing, none of them have died. With a gun, another deranged maniac was able to shoot dead more than two dozen people in a matter of minutes." 36 minutes ago
yeah, humans are all the same. And the same troubles during childhood, the same mistratments by parents, lead to the same consequencies worldwide. That's the only solid and realistic conclusion of both stories.
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CARE TO ADD..
A black person kills or harms someone hes a victim of his upbringing, being fatherless, society or institutionalized racism.
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Thing that always get me when these incidents occur. The nut nuts come out saying "watch the anti gun lobbyists use this to push their agenda"
And what is that agenda?...oh yeh ,try and cut gun crime and prevent the bi monthly lunatic shooting sprees ... evil agenda ???
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yeah, humans are all the same. And the same troubles during childhood, the same mistratments by parents, lead to the same consequencies worldwide. That's the only solid and realistic conclusion of both stories.
Does anyone still beleive in God when this happens? Proof again God doesn't exist.
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Reporting locally that he may have killed his girlfriend too.
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Why does Obama have to pretend to be crying by wiping away tears ???.
i havent seen his comedic act, but i guess in substance he said or will say "we are going to do anything in our power so it never happen again" ::) Oh yeah, seriously?
Will he then rechristianize american society?
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Huh? Who made this? They are talking about banning them from the school. Doesn't mean you can't buy them from the walmart down the street. Who is the fucking idiot that made this? Needs to be beaten.
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Mr Uberman
If you were up to your neck in shit and someone threw a bucket of snot at your head what would you do ?
Uberman, you truly are a mentally disturbed... And A WASTE OF SPACE!! I feel sorry for ANYONE who has to spend minutes around you especially your wife! She dying a slow and painful death! Poor thing! I pray for her... In Jesus name... AMEN! :-[
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Does anyone still beleive in God when this happens? Proof again God doesn't exist.
You dont understand God cause you take no time in your existence to try to understand Him and His creation. As simple as that. God isnt a dude in the sky who tell people what to do, good or bad. He s the form of life that created life on earth initially and left His creation a guide . Those who read the guide and want to become like God survive, others disapear in a long and designed process of selection. Anything that exists has to have a purpose, or it wouldnt exist.
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You homies need to move to NZ.
This shit never happens here.
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You dont understand God cause you take no time in your existence to try to understand Him and His creation. As simple as that.
Well the god of the bible is a known mass murderer and child killer. Remember Egypt and we can't forget the great flood where he wiped out most of humanity
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A black person kills or harms someone hes a victim of his upbringing, being fatherless, society or institutionalized racism.
THERE YA GO,,,
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THERE YA GO,,,
Well, Im right.
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You dont understand God cause you take no time in your existence to try to understand Him and His creation. As simple as that. God isnt a dude in the sky who tell people what to do, good or bad. He s the form of life that created life on earth initially and left His creation a guide . Those who read the guide and want to become like God survive, others disapear.
It's funny having a made up God. You can make up shit without having to prove it. It's god's will. God's plan,blah blah. You christans are the ultimate joke. beleiving in a make believe character.
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Well the god of the bible is a known mass murderer and child killer. Remember Egypt.
Those who follow God kill His ennemies, right. That's part of the process of selection, that's part of the plan. Still you have the choice to be on His side or not.
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You homies need to move to NZ.
This shit never happens here.
are you so sure?
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You homies need to move to NZ.
This shit never happens here.
NZ of peace ::)
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Those who follow God kill His ennemies, right. That's part of the process of selection, that's part of the plan. Still you have the choice to be on His side or not.
Do you make this shit up as you go?
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Gun control...only applies to law abiding citizens.
Idiots. Ban guns and they start making bombs....oh wait, bombs are surely illegal so that Timothy McWhackjob would never do that.... ::)
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Didn't Obama's FAST AND FURIOUS sell 2,000+ brand new AR-15 to Drug runners on the boarders of america, which Half of them Made it over to america for sale
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Those who follow God kill His ennemies, right. That's part of the process of selection, that's part of the plan. Still you have the choice to be on His side or not.
so Moses told a few (10) porkies?
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Gun control...only applies to law abiding citizens.
Idiots. Ban guns and they start making bombs....oh wait, bombs are surely illegal so that Timothy McWhackjob would never do that.... ::)
The problem is it would take decades to clear out the inventory of guns alread out there. I hear the average was 3 guns per person. Gun control makes sense when it has been law for decades. But you are going to still have thousand of gang members with their guns, crazy folks with theirs but no new guns being sold because of the law.
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Believe in God... And believe in the Devil! Theres yin/yan;Good/Bad. I believe the bad runs this world
And we have to live in it. I believe in being the person you can possibily be and live in the best way you could without hurting others,it's Our time to leave this world. This is so sad, I can't imagine what these parents are going through.
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are you so sure?
LOL I think it would make the news if it did, so yes I'm sure.
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Only lost atheists or muslims would go to schools to kill...atheists or christian , buddhist, kids. Only a lost atheist beleiving in absurdity, would go kill other people kids to release his anger/frustration. This is the definition of insanity.
good post
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FFS you mean some schools in the US actually allow guns! ???
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because it works on his base and cult following of idiots
what he fuck is wrong with you,what a fucking low life
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Those who follow God kill His ennemies, right. That's part of the process of selection, that's part of the plan. Still you have the choice to be on His side or not.
Those little babies who were slaughtered by god had a choice in the matter?
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Oh brother fucking NEWS reporters
Now they are saying ryan lanza isn't the shooter the dude in glasses , Ryan is the older brother of the shooter , the Shooter is now named as ADAM lanza
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now they say this guy RYAN is the older brother of the shooter Adam
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LOL I think it would make the news if it did, so yes I'm sure.
I am not out to ge you but I remember phoning some friends in Paekakariki about some shoot out several years ago.
So I just checked what it was and was quiet taken aback at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_New_Zealand
obviously most have little in common with this present situation but the number of events is quiet startling
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Do you make this shit up as you go?
It's true and your soul will be cast into hell for eternal damnation for rejecting God. There is alot evidence that leads to all this stuff being true.The Bible, ancient writings, hieroglyphics, Jesus, Demons aka aliens, dinosaurs, giants, "the gods", mythical, mystical creatures, all this stuff ties together into the ultimate truth so fucking crazy it would seem no one in there right mind would believe it. And that is what they depend on. Thank God for getting the jews to write us the Bible. 8) This planet is more special than most believe. The truth is out there my friends.
If the president himself said what I just wrote above most people wouldn't believe it. It's too much of a mind fuck for people to comprehend. They would literally go insane in not able to comprehend the misunderstood or have a heart attack out of sheer terror.
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Ryan's Page already Seized by the FEDS
http://www.facebook.com/rlanza?fref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/rlanza?fref=ts)
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Those were crocodile tears.
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if a kid kills then it proves he has no fear of a higher power punishing him
that is not good
his parents were probably like "yeah there probably isnt any god everything is just random the bible is a total lie religions are stupid"
this puts a bit of fear and unstability in the kids mind, kid also thinks he has free will without punishment
the correct way to parent a kid
parent says " dont gamble and take a chance at doing something gravely bad because you dont believe god exists, none of us knows what waits for us on the otherside and there might be hell to pay that words cannot describe, so just stay out of trouble and life will be less worrysome"
im sure theres a better way to word that in a condensed version...
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HE WAS JUST DOING SOME POPULATION CONTROL
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This shit aint bodybuilding related
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Oh Wiggs. There is no proof. That's why the church drummed up faith. Have faith blah blah. Human nature is to want to be led. They look for leaders and that's were this faith system came from. Proof has never existed. Even the bible itself is a complitation of many men. Humans. Not God. If I tell you to pick the orange ball from a box with an orange ball and a blue triangle. Do you use faith or fact to get the orange ball?
When you ask hard questions about God to priests they always use misdirection such as "this is bigger than us all" or "God is Mysterious" It is all made up as time goes on. Even Christianity today is a bastardized version of Christianity from 200 years ago to 1000 years ago.
Even Christians can't agree so they created, Lutheran, baptist, southern baptist, evangelical ...... christianity. BUddhists will tell you a story of how they are right and muslims will and jews will but no one knows shit.
It's true and your soul will be cast into hell for eternal damnation for rejecting God. There is alot evidence that leads to all this stuff being true.The Bible, ancient writings, hieroglyphics, Jesus, Demons aka aliens, dinosaurs, giants, "the gods", mythical, mystical creatures, all this stuff ties together into the ultimate truth so fucking crazy it would seem no one in there right mind would believe it. And that is what they depend on. Thank God for getting the jews to write us the Bible. 8) This planet is more special than most believe. The truth is out there my friends.
If the president himself said what I just wrote above most people wouldn't believe it. It's too much of a mind fuck for people to comprehend. They would literally go insane in not able to comprehend the misunderstood or have a heart attack out of sheer terror.
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Those were crocodile tears.
Racist post reported
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This shit aint bodybuilding related
Heard on the news he did pullups in the morning so it is.
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I am not out to ge you but I remember phoning some friends in Paekakariki about some shoot out several years ago.
So I just checked what it was and was quiet taken aback at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_New_Zealand
obviously most have little in common with this present situation but the number of events is quiet startling
Interesting list.... but really the only one of note is the Aramoana massacre. That shit is comparable to stuff that happens in the states. All the others are just family shit or kneegulls being kneegulls.
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It's true and your soul will be cast into hell for eternal damnation for rejecting God. There is alot evidence that leads to all this stuff being true.The Bible, ancient writings, hieroglyphics, Jesus, Demons aka aliens, dinosaurs, giants, "the gods", mythical, mystical creatures, all this stuff ties together into the ultimate truth so fucking crazy it would seem no one in there right mind would believe it. And that is what they depend on. Thank God for getting the jews to write us the Bible. 8) This planet is more special than most believe. The truth is out there my friends.
If the president himself said what I just wrote above most people wouldn't believe it. It's too much of a mind fuck for people to comprehend. They would literally go insane in not able to comprehend the misunderstood or have a heart attack out of sheer terror.
bro, you're fluent in retard.
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Interesting list.... but really the only one of note is the Aramoana massacre. That shit is comparable to stuff that happens in the states. All the others are just family shit or kneegulls being kneegulls.
quiet so but any one of them would be of note if your at the wrong end of the gun.
no society ought to be smug about their own perfection though I guess in many countries if so many deaths are carried out by a particular instrument they might consider its availability
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*Sigh* So soon again. :-\
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This is the reason why you need to give love and respect to white kids growing up, preventing them from becoming a massmurderer.
If you bully a young white fellow, he has the potential to keep this inside him for many many years until it boils over, and creating a monster.
So take care of all your young children out there.
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You are wrong, it is indeed true. But it is written that all that happens, happens because it is destined. Jesus told us the things in the Bible so that we would not be deceived. He was a real being the personification of the all mighty God himself. Can you fathom such a thing? Funny thing is it was prophesied that he would show up and where and it happened. He himself professed that he was indeed the son of God, meaning God in human form. Can you fathom a being that can affect things on a subatomic level? Man-o-man. He put us here to give a choice to VOLUNTARILY serve him through free will with the rewards of everlasting life among many other things. Those that don't and reject him well, hell awaits Mr. "Diablo". If you chose to be willfully stupid, that's on you. Do your research.
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Another mass shooting:
-Another debate about gun control that will lead nowhere
-Another debate about God's goodness/existence that will lead nowhere
-Another bunch of internet posturing that will lead nowhere
Why bother with things that 99.9% of the people in this board are not qualified to even think about, much less influence
Lets focus on things we can discuss with some knowledge:g4p in pro bbing, Rx hustle, corruption in the IFBB/NPC, is Ron gay, who really shot kennedy, is derek anthony dead, etc etc
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Brother RYAN is telling Police his brother ADAM had ASSBURGERS syndrome
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The tragic school massacre in Connecticut has provoked current discussions at Getbig Theological Seminary to reflect on issues dealing with God's providence. Before proceeding, perhaps a helpful distinction should be made between 'fate' and 'destiny.' 'Fate' is usually used in closed-ended terms, i.e., as events and states of affairs that unfold, and are arrived at, necessarily and cannot be otherwise; whereas, 'destiny' is usually used in open-ended terms, i.e., as a "destination" that might or might not be achieved (hence, one can fail to fulfill or achieve one's destiny). German theologians and philosophers make a distinction between fate (Schicksal) and destiny (Geshick).
The Roman writers Seneca and Augustine (and much later on in Germany, Kant*) used the phrase "Ducunt volentum fata, nolentem trahunt," i.e., "fate leads the willing and drags the unwilling," in closed-ended terms.
*Although Kant misstated the phrase.
Just saying, on a very sad day.
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Brother RYAN is telling Police his brother ADAM had ASSBURGER syndrome
lol if it's true big brother ryan is probably the one that made his little brother become the monster by giving him bad influences. Funny he wasnt killed when parents and other kids were? Probably cause he s the one who pushed his lil bro in the first place.
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lol if it's true big brother ryan is probably the one that made his little brother become the monster by giving him bad influences. Funny he wasnt killed when parents and other kids were? Probably cause he s the one who pushed his lil bro in the first place.
I blame Bush
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Brother RYAN is telling Police his brother ADAM had ASSBURGERS syndrome
every adam that ive known is fucked up , dumb, weird
a-damn
mad-a
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The natural result of a Godless anti-christ society.
More people are murdered, killed, raped, and maimed in the name of religion than not.
Furthermore, as if Christ gives a fu*ck or could do a f*uck about situations like this. Pray all you want to Allah - Christ or whoever your god is - they have never done shit for the world and never will.
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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/live-updates-newtown-ct-school-shooting
Has a lot of emotional issues
ASSBURGERS for sure
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lol if it's true big brother ryan is probably the one that made his little brother become the monster by giving him bad influences. Funny he wasnt killed when parents and other kids were? Probably cause he s the one who pushed his lil bro in the first place.
Those FBI interrogators will beat the truth out of him question him thoroughly on the matter.
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Brother RYAN is telling Police his brother ADAM had ASSBURGERS syndrome
Ahh shit are you fucking serious?
I mean it's no surprise, but still if you guys start persecuting my folk this kind of shit is only gonna get much worst.
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Ahh shit are you fucking serious?
I mean it's no surprise, but still if you guys start persecuting my folk this kind of shit is only gonna get much worst.
Dont you have ASSBURGERS , RAtard???
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Dont you have ASSBURGERS , RAtard???
Yeah I already admitted in the other thread I'm ok with this shit.
My people rarely commit crime but when we do it makes the news.
It's the price you pay.
We don't rape, murder, lie, manipulate, etc, but at the end of the day we still have limits.
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Ahh shit are you fucking serious?
I mean it's no surprise, but still if you guys start persecuting my folk this kind of shit is only gonna get much worst.
Give it a rest, idiot. ::)
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Yeah I already admitted in the other thread I'm ok with this shit.
My people rarely commit crime but when we do it makes the news.
It's the price you pay.
We don't rape, murder, lie, manipulate, etc, but at the end of the day we still have limits.
you shit hamburgers?
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Yeah I already admitted in the other thread I'm ok with this shit.
My people rarely commit crime but when we do it makes the news.
It's the price you pay.
We don't rape, murder, lie, manipulate, etc, but at the end of the day we still have limits.
you dont have any mental illness you lazy weak minded asshole. You probably been mistreated by your caregivers, but stop labeling yourself as being this or that. Mental illnesses are just symptoms, descriptions of phenomenons happening to people, the origin, the reason why they show these symptoms, is always that they ve been lacking love and that their parents responsible for the mistratments told them not to say anything about them, which makes the whole thing even worse. Hiding yourself beind labels wont solve or fulfill any of your shortcomings and lacks. Read the Bible instead of reading about "mental illnesses" all day long that anyone could say are supposed to affect him or herself. Instead of convincing people they are "ill" modern day psychologists and psychiatrists should find a way to cure their lack of love, which most of the time they cant but by prescribing fucking pills that destroy them even more. A lot of people get richer out of all of this tho, even if most of the time it has no results at all in the majority of patients who just go home with a lighter wallet yet still didnt adress or confront those responsible for their inner sufferings.
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my "crackhead" friend is named Adam also and has some obvious aspergurs symptoms and is addicted to dope he will even inhale duster out of a can a true dumbass
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Give it a rest, idiot. ::)
The fuck, do you know anything about what it means to be autistic, my people have gone through shit, that makes what the blacks jews and queers gone through look like a cake walk.
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The fuck, do you know anything about what it means to be autistic, my people have gone through shit, that makes what the blacks jews and queers gone through look like a cake walk.
1/100 ::)
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The fuck, do you know anything about what it means to be autistic, my people have gone through shit, that makes what the blacks jews and queers gone through look like a cake walk.
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Oh brother fucking NEWS reporters
Now they are saying ryan lanza isn't the shooter the dude in glasses , Ryan is the older brother of the shooter , the Shooter is now named as ADAM lanza
Some of those reporters should be fukcing shot. They were interviewing 6 year old kids right after shit went down. I would have knocked the reporter the fck out if I saw that go down. Asking fukcing babies to relive what they just seen is what therapist are for years later. They (the reporters) probably went there with order s from their superiors(the Hierarchy) to get the kids to talk. Unbelievable.
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Queue Bob Costas and his Gun Laws on Sunday Night Football
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The fuck, do you know anything about what it means to be autistic, my people have gone through shit, that makes what the blacks jews and queers gone through look like a cake walk.
Oh brother....
Wrong thread to seek out sympathy for your "disease" or defend "your people." Show some sympathy/respect for the 26 CHILDRENand teachers killed by one of "your people."
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HE WAS JUST DOING SOME WORK FOR THE HIERARCY'Spopulation GUN CONTROL AGENDA
Fixed
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Those were crocodile tears.
Agreed. Nobody wipes away tears like that who doesn't want people to know they're crying. The wipe is your classic make sure everyone knows you're crying.
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Oh brother....
Wrong thread to seek out sympathy for your "disease" or defend "your people." Show some sympathy/respect for the 26 CHILDRENand teachers killed by one of "your people."
How about you show a little respect for the victims and try to understand the fucking problem you dolt. The dismissive rejections you give to me hear are the exact kind that lead to the violence that were talking about. Take some fucking responsibility you fucking dolt.
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CIA AGENTguy right near the school while shit was going down wearing camo's was brought in for questioning and released and is not a suspect. I'll bet the house that he will have a military type/government back round if you dig deep enough.
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these were bad actor's tears. At least Bush was convincing when he learnt about the 9/11 events, he had no need to fake them. Obonga doesnt care much about white people's kids anyway, who were most of the victims.
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assburgers
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assburgers
(http://abcnews.go.com/images/Health/ht_aspergers_080306_mn.jpg)
Look at the -prolly single- mom...no wonder kid is doomed to failure and lifelong physical/psychological suffering. She s herself a bag of repressed physical and psychological sufferings.
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Tragic all the way around. But please don't blame the object
Same objects , same scene different people. You can't punish a whole group of people for the actions of one deranged man.
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They should have some police at every school. I thought it was obvious after Breivik killed 69 kid because there was no security around. Armed security could have got to him before so many died. It's either that or collect all guns. It's really no better option. One wonders what it will take before they finally decide to have security at schools.
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Maybe we should outlaw asperger syndrome?
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How about you show a little respect for the victims and try to understand the fucking problem you dolt. The dismissive rejections you give to me hear are the exact kind that lead to the violence that were talking about. Take some fucking responsibility you fucking dolt.
You sound like someone who has been babied and coddled their entire life and told that they are "special."
News flash: the world doesn't care about you and you're not special. Neither am I. Adapt and integrate in society, or leave it. And don't throw a tantrum like this POS did on the way out. This is my last post, I'm not gonna get in a pissing match with you. I'm truly saddened by this terrible thing that happened today. You making claims like "if they would just respect my people more then this wouldn't have happened is such bullshit." Peace.
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They should have some police at every school. I thought it was obvious after Breivik killed 69 kid because there was no security around. Armed security could have got to him before so many died. It's either that or collect all guns. It's really no better option. One wonders what it will take before they finally decide to have security at schools.
Naw. The cop probably would have took a bullet to the head. Kid would have walked right up to him and shot him. Cop never would have seen it coming.
If they government said it's going to collect all drugs, do you think that would keep drugs out of the hands of people who want them?
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He himself professed that he was indeed the son of God, meaning God in human form.
Wrong, among others who hold the "son of God" title in the Bible are David, Solomon, all of Israelites, and everyone who is righteous. That doesn't make all of them "God in human form" otherwise you will have countless "gods in human form."
Jesus was a great prophet of God (just like Muhammad) but he was not God himself. Jesus prays to God in the Bible, and surely God is not bipolar that he would pray to himself.
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Problem-reaction-solution
In Tales From The Time Loop (2003), Icke argues that most organized religions, especially Judaism, Christianity and Islam, are Illuminati creations designed to divide and conquer the human race through endless conflicts, as are racial, ethnic, and sexual divisions. He cites the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 as examples of events organized by the Global Elite.[53] The incidents allow the Elite to respond in whatever way they intended to act in the first place, a concept Icke calls "order out of chaos," or "problem-reaction-solution". He writes that there are few, if any, public events that are not engineered, or at least used, by the Brotherhood:[17]
Image by Neil Hague from Icke's Infinite Love is the Only Truth (2005), showing the Brotherhood, or "Red Dresses." This image depicts George W. Bush, Tony Blair and Queen Elizabeth II as members of the Brotherhood.
You want to introduce something you know the people won't like. ... So you first create a PROBLEM, a rising crime rate, more violence, a terrorist bomb ... You make sure someone else is blamed for this problem ... So you create a "patsy," as they call them in America, a Timothy McVeigh or a Lee Harvey Oswald. ... This brings us to stage two, the REACTION from the people—"This can't go on; what are THEY going to do about it?" ... This allows THEM to then openly offer the SOLUTION to the problems they have created ..."[54]
WE ARE ALL WITNESSING THE REACTION STAGE
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You sound like someone who has been babied and coddled their entire life and told that they are "special."
News flash: the world doesn't care about you and you're not special. Neither am I. Adapt and integrate in society, or leave it. And don't throw a tantrum like this POS did on the way out. This is my last post, I'm not gonna get in a pissing match with you. Peace.
Adapt and intergrate the fuck do you know. The whole point of the disorder is you have severe neurological impairments on those two fucking issues.
Do you honestly hear what your saying here..
For the record on the autie boards I"m considered quite the opposite.
Your projecting your shit, based on some preconceived notion of who you think I am.
99.9999 percent of people with aspergers are completely harmless.
this small fraction is directly because of the shit that is put on them.
Anyhows dude keep pretending you have the beginnings of understanding something you don't.
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Adapt and intergrate the fuck do you know. The whole point of the disorder is you have severe neurological impairments on those two fucking issues.
Do you honestly hear what your saying here..
For the record on the autie boards I"m considered quite the opposite.
Your projecting your shit, based on some preconceived notion of who you think I am.
99.9999 percent of people with aspergers are completely harmless.
this small fraction is directly because of the shit that is put on them.
Anyhows dude keep pretending you have the beginnings of understanding something you don't.
My step brother of 12 years is autistic.... A family member I love. So yeah, I have "the beginning of understanding" on this topic.
And I've witnessed some remarkable bullshit and psychobabble told to him over the years.
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if every white person in the world had been killed, this tragedy wouldnt have happe.............. oh wait.
Idiotic Getbig racist ideology getting to me.... gotta save that line for when a black person commits a crime ::)
This is a sad and unfortunate event. My condolences to the families affected.
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Man my heart goes out to all the families. Going to be rough for them. I can't help but think of those kids handing over their christmas wish lists to their parents and the parents getting those gifts and will never be able to see their kids reaction to the gifts during christmas. That moment is gone for them.
K-1 is sad sad sad.
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My step brother of 12 years is autistic.... A family member I love. So yeah, I have "the beginning of understanding" on this topic.
And I've witnessed some remarkable bullshit and psychobabble told to him over the years.
So you think you know what it's like, you don't get the shit that goes on in the real fucking world. Everyone knows someone that is autistic, it don't mean you fucking get it.
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So you think you know what it's like, you don't get the shit that goes on in the real fucking world. Everyone knows someone that is autistic, it don't mean you fucking get it.
You seem perfectly fine. Someone in authority lied to you about your condition
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Naw. The cop probably would have took a bullet to the head. Kid would have walked right up to him and shot him. Cop never would have seen it coming.
If they government said it's going to collect all drugs, do you think that would keep drugs out of the hands of people who want them?
what kind of excuse is this? never seen it coming?
you don't walk up to the police carrying tactical bulletproof vest, 5 firearms, 1000 rounds of ammo, a crossbow and 80 crossbow bolts.
https://images.4chan.org/pol/src/1355516924315.png
even if not true and everything he had was concealed, you have a lot bigger chance at doing something about the situation if someone armed would have been there to take him out.
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Naw. The cop probably would have took a bullet to the head. Kid would have walked right up to him and shot him. Cop never would have seen it coming.
If they government said it's going to collect all drugs, do you think that would keep drugs out of the hands of people who want them?
Well you have legal drugs nicotine and alcohol then illegal like weed and ecstasy ....which ones are more easily accessible?
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You seem perfectly fine. Someone in authority lied to you about your condition
Are you fucking joking? You have any idea how insulting it is to hear that from people on a day to day fucking basis. It's just one of the many issues that come with the disorder.
I've come a long fucking way, by working at call centers, taking jobs that I can barely fucking do, to get this far. That the thing you act as if I was just sitting on my hands with this shit, I've been struggling with this shit making what progress I can for fucking years.
I've failed out 11 semester of school, wasted ton's of my parents money, on the hope that they'd have atleast one normal son.
And I'm fucking relatively well off compared to the tons kids that won't get the right exposure that will help them develop.
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what kind of excuse is this? never seen it coming?
you don't walk up to the police carrying tactical bulletproof vest, 5 firearms, 1000 rounds of ammo, a crossbow and 80 crossbow bolts.
https://images.4chan.org/pol/src/1355516924315.png
even if not true and everything he had was concealed, you have a lot bigger chance at doing something about the situation if someone armed would have been there to take him out.
A thousand round?!? do you know how heavy that is, never mind the fact that you CANNOT hide 1k rounds.
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Are you fucking joking? You have any idea how insulting it is to hear that from people on a day to day fucking basis. It's just one of the many issues that come with the disorder.
I've come a long fucking way, by working at call centers, taking jobs that I can barely fucking do, to get this far. That the thing you act as if I was just sitting on my hands with this shit, I've been struggling with this shit making what progress I can for fucking years.
I've failed out 11 semester of school, wasted ton's of my parents money, on the hope that they'd have atleast one normal son.
And I'm fucking relatively well off compared to the tons kids that won't get the right exposure that will help them develop.
Who knows, maybe you are just faking to get attention ???
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A thousand round?!? do you know how heavy that is, never mind the fact that you CANNOT hide 1k rounds.
Yes makes one wonder how much steroids it takes to carry this around.. BFG?
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Are you fucking joking? You have any idea how insulting it is to hear that from people on a day to day fucking basis. It's just one of the many issues that come with the disorder.
I've come a long fucking way, by working at call centers, taking jobs that I can barely fucking do, to get this far. That the thing you act as if I was just sitting on my hands with this shit, I've been struggling with this shit making what progress I can for fucking years.
I've failed out 11 semester of school, wasted ton's of my parents money, on the hope that they'd have atleast one normal son.
And I'm fucking relatively well off compared to the tons kids that won't get the right exposure that will help them develop.
Maybe they tell you that you're fine because you are. Life is hard, deal with it
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So you think you know what it's like, you don't get the shit that goes on in the real fucking world. Everyone knows someone that is autistic, it don't mean you fucking get it.
Dont listen to people who will whine with you as they dont care about your suffering, they just enjoying comparing their lives to yours to feel better about themselves, listen to those who tell you how to grow out of it, even if it sounds like a slap in the face to you. And again, you better not listen to other humans as most of them are not perfect and often only following their own interests; listen to God directly by reading the Bible.
It is of no use for you to get better and take your life in your hands to whine eternally or look for people who will whine with you. You are perfectly normal, just another hurt spirit that has to do what he has to do to get better. You re not responsible for what those who hurt you did to you, but you re responsible at some point when you grow up for not doing what is necessary to change.
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Maybe they tell you that you're fine because you are. Life is hard, deal with it
I agree, just brush it off and get on with life I mean lol how hard can it be? everybody got his demons not everybody needs to see a loony doctor
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if every white person in the world had been killed, this tragedy wouldnt have happe.............. oh wait.
Idiotic Getbig racist ideology getting to me.... gotta save that line for when a black person commits a crime ::)
minorities on getbig have no problem with the nordics. it's whites in the usa.
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I've come a long fucking way,.
but not far enough perhaps to realise that this time is probably not the most sensitive to argue your case
Discretion is the better part of valour
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but not far enough perhaps to realise that this time is probably not the most sensitive to argue your case
Discretion is the better part of valour
This!!
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Who knows, maybe you are just faking to get attention ???
Man are you a fucking idiot. This whole attention whoring shit is getting fucking annoying.
I haven't hanged out with a friend/classmate/ roommate, in over a month. I ain't no fucking attention whore.
Everyone wants attention on some level it's called being fucking human if you had any concept of logic you'd get this.
The reason I seem like I'm trying to get attention is because the concept of talking on a message board is beyond my fucking reach.
Your really fail to understand things from my perspective if you don't get this.
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Man are you a fucking idiot. This whole attention whoring shit is getting fucking annoying.
I haven't hanged out with a friend/classmate/ roommate, in over a month. I ain't no fucking attention whore.
Everyone wants attention on some level it's called being fucking human if you had any concept of logic you'd get this.
The reason I seem like I'm trying to get attention is because the concept of talking on a message board is beyond my fucking reach.
Your really fail to understand things from my perspective if you don't get this.
You seem pretty self-aware about how you aren't self-aware. I think you don't give yourself enough credit. Have you ever considered you might just be stupid and not autistic?
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Man are you a fucking idiot. This whole attention whoring shit is getting fucking annoying.
I haven't hanged out with a friend/classmate/ roommate, in over a month. I ain't no fucking attention whore.
Everyone wants attention on some level it's called being fucking human if you had any concept of logic you'd get this.
The reason I seem like I'm trying to get attention is because the concept of talking on a message board is beyond my fucking reach.
Your really fail to understand things from my perspective if you don't get this.
jesus, stop fucking feeling sorry for yourself already man. We all got problems, sometimes I don't know how to continue but you brush it off and keep on trucking.
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You seem pretty self-aware about how you aren't self-aware. I think you don't give yourself enough credit. Have you ever considered you might just be stupid and not autistic?
lol maybe that his thing to get to talk to girls...
Ratard: You know I'm autistic?!?
She: Oh nooo you poor thing!
Ratard: Yeah...
She: Its like...being handicapt like a mongoloid?
Ratard: NO!!! GOD NO! I'm that "other" type of autistic, the clever once!
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but not far enough perhaps to realise that this time is probably not the most sensitive to argue your case
Discretion is the better part of valour
But this is the fucking nonsense, this issue is exactly about the shit I'm trying to talk about. You don't seem to get the direct connection with all these killings. I didn't make this about me, I talk people retort by attacking me I have
to defend or they won't listen to the fuck I'm talking about.
I know what I'm talking about, these killings are easily explained by the treatment these people get. They don't kill on this level or intensity because they are crazy. This is a direct type of killing that is pre meditated and built on a basis of hate. This hate does not come from nowhere. If you can't understand this shit it'll keep fucking happening.
If you fail to understand the way this hate is built over years to an intensity that results in killing little kids, it's never gonna stop happening.
So if your answer is let people enjoy there useless emotions instead of actually doing something about the issue your a fucking idiot.
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This!!
dat dees and dos
("dies" to you? )
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So this guy was using 2 9mm's and left his AR in the car? Definitely had aspergers.
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So this guy was using 2 9mm's and left his AR in the car? Definitely had aspergers.
thank god he didn't take the AR with him, could have been easily a few hundreds.
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But this is the fucking nonsense, this issue is exactly about the shit I'm trying to talk about. You don't seem to get the direct connection with all these killings. I didn't make this about me, I talk people retort by attacking me I have
to defend or they won't listen to the fuck I'm talking about.
I know what I'm talking about, these killings are easily explained by the treatment these people get. They don't kill on this level or intensity because they are crazy. This is a direct type of killing that is pre meditated and built on a basis of hate. This hate does not come from nowhere. If you can't understand this shit it'll keep fucking happening.
If you fail to understand the way this hate is built over years to an intensity that results in killing little kids, it's never gonna stop happening.
So if your answer is let people enjoy there useless emotions instead of actually doing something about the issue your a fucking idiot.
If i say you are right will that make you happy?
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If i say you are right will that make you happy?
Sure.
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Leave aside the terrible details and reality the aspect that a young man shoots a bunch of people is fascinating from a psychological aspect. What does one feel when you shoot and kill? It must be good otherwise why would they not stop?
Some guy in a docu said once in Vietnam he was a door gunner and he loved the feeling of the pig 60 when he was shooting it.
Whats wrong with us that we like or learn to like killing?
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Sure.
Shut the f*ck up, idiot. ::)
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lol maybe that his thing to get to talk to girls...
Ratard: You know I'm autistic?!?
She: Oh nooo you poor thing!
Ratard: Yeah...
She: Its like...being handicapt like a mongoloid?
Ratard: NO!!! GOD NO! I'm that "other" type of autistic, the clever once!
Haha. I wonder if he's orthodox or reformed autistic. I wouldn't make fun if he actually suffered from autism. I think his hippy parents wanted a medical reason for their child being an underachiever
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Leave aside the terrible details and reality the aspect that a young man shoots a bunch of people is fascinating from a psychological aspect. What does one feel when you shoot and kill? It must be good otherwise why would they not stop?
Some guy in a docu said once in Vietnam he was a door gunner and he loved the feeling of the pig 60 when he was shooting it.
Whats wrong with us that we like or learn to like killing?
Human nature, we had to kill to survive for centuries, if humans didn't take an interest in death and killing we wouldn't survive.
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every adam that ive known is fucked up , dumb, weird
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Watch it Falcon.
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Haha. I wonder if he's orthodox or reformed autistic. I wouldn't make fun if he actually suffered from autism. I think his hippy parents wanted a medical reason for their child being an underachiever
Why not make fun of him even if he was autistic? We take shit too seriously these days, people like to tell you all the time what you can and cannot make fun of, stupid. One of my best online friends is a girl that has problems that are beyond believe and not comprehensive, dad raped her, ex heroin addict, 37 or so years old and pretty but really really fucked up in the head. I mean she would laught at Ratard's problems,
I talk to her nearly every day and we rip each other apart with cruel jokes - she makes fun of my painful past and I do it with her.
She understands that you cannot be too sensitive about that shit.
Its people like Ratard who take things too serious you start wondering, the once that carry their cross not on their back but right in front of them for everybody to see.
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If those kids had been armed, none of this would have happened.
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I chug dongs.
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Sure.
you can take an alcoholic horse thief to AA but he is still a horse thief
You may be an autistic eejit who has worked hard dealing with autism but you are still a right eejit
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If those kids had been armed, none of this would have happened.
If you are serious - Lol fucking lol most retarded argument ever, but very typical american.
otherwise nice and clever joke
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you can take an alcoholic horse thief to AA but he is still a horse thief
You may be an autistic eejit who has worked hard dealing with autism but you are still a right eejit
The yanks don't understand your irish slang.
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Haha. I wonder if he's orthodox or reformed autistic. I wouldn't make fun if he actually suffered from autism. I think his hippy parents wanted a medical reason for their child being an underachiever
If you think you can diagnose from a message board you have no fucking clue what your talking about.
I stimm for hours a day, I have back shoulder and neck problems due to this, I have no friends, have never enjoyed sex etc. I use to have severe trouble with making coherent posts still do actually but I've gotten tons better, my ability to talk has gone from a monotone mumble to what is considered normal at this point. I'm the textbook case of the disorder once you factor in the amount of time I've spent getting past shit.
I don't feel sorry for myself, maybe once or twice a year I'll have meltdown threads, which are quite in line with autism but otherwise no.
Just go on wrong planet and hear the shit people talk about, you see shit super fucking quick and realize I'm on the conservative end of autism.
The only reason it
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If you think you can diagnose from a message board you have no fucking clue what your talking about.
I stimm for hours a day, I have back shoulder and neck problems due to this, I have no friends, have never enjoyed sex etc. I use to have severe trouble with making coherent posts still do actually but I've gotten tons better, my ability to talk has gone from a monotone mumble to what is considered normal at this point. I'm the textbook case of the disorder once you factor in the amount of time I've spent getting past shit.
I don't feel sorry for myself, maybe once or twice a year I'll have meltdown threads, which are quite in line with autism but otherwise no.
Just go on wrong planet and hear the shit people talk about, you see shit super fucking quick and realize I'm on the conservative end of autism.
The only reason it
Stop feeling sorry for yourself !!!!
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The yanks don't understand your irish slang.
the boy is clever , he will figure it out
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Why not make fun of him even if he was autistic? We take shit too seriously these days, people like to tell you all the time what you can and cannot make fun of, stupid. One of my best online friends is a girl that has problems that are beyond believe and not comprehensive, dad raped her, ex heroin addict, 37 or so years old and pretty but really really fucked up in the head. I mean she would laught at Ratard's problems,
I talk to her nearly every day and we rip each other apart with cruel jokes - she makes fun of my painful past and I do it with her.
She understands that you cannot be too sensitive about that shit.
Its people like Ratard who take things too serious you start wondering, the once that carry their cross not on their back but right in front of them for everybody to see.
When the fuck did I say you can't joke about shit. This is what you don't get I joke about the most fucked shit all the time.
You confuse, desperately trying to get my point acknowledged, with being emotionally upset.
It's quite impersonal, I just simply try harder. This may be confused with being emotional attached.
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If you think you can diagnose from a message board you have no fucking clue what your talking about.
I stimm for hours a day, I have back shoulder and neck problems due to this, I have no friends, have never enjoyed sex etc. I use to have severe trouble with making coherent posts still do actually but I've gotten tons better, my ability to talk has gone from a monotone mumble to what is considered normal at this point. I'm the textbook case of the disorder once you factor in the amount of time I've spent getting past shit.
I don't feel sorry for myself, maybe once or twice a year I'll have meltdown threads, which are quite in line with autism but otherwise no.
Just go on wrong planet and hear the shit people talk about, you see shit super fucking quick and realize I'm on the conservative end of autism.
The only reason it
Your fine. We all have problems. I'm married so I don't enjoy sex either. I have back and hip problems but I manage to deal with it.
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the boy is clever , he will figure it out
A clever eejit?
Well why don't you dip me into honey and throw me to the lesbians.
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Your fine. We all have problems. I'm married so I don't enjoy sex either. I have back and hip problems but I manage to deal with it.
:D ;D - focking legend
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Your fine. We all have problems. I'm married so I don't enjoy sex either. I have back and hip problems but I manage to deal with it.
had you considered different positions?
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When the fuck did I say you can't joke about shit. This is what you don't get I joke about the most fucked shit all the time.
You confuse, desperately trying to get my point acknowledged, with being emotionally upset.
It's quite impersonal, I just simply try harder. This may be confused with being emotional attached.
relax, have another Ritalin
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had you considered different positions?
Yes. Sometimes I stand in the yard.
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Your fine. We all have problems. I'm married so I don't enjoy sex either. I have back and hip problems but I manage to deal with it.
My point was that it is a direct product of autism.
I seriously getting tired of trying to explain this to you folk.
If you met me in real life you'd be surprised by the level of not giving a fuck I have.
Of course people have fucking problems, life is full of brutal shit wall to wall, the difference between real problems, and shit that just sucks is that you have to work with real problems.
Being proactive for me means factoring in the autism, I have to, not because I'm feeling sorry for myself but because the disorder is so pervasive.
So even on a good day, I have to factor in what I'm thinking.
That's the part people don't really understand until they really start trying to deal with this type of problem.
I'm a rather practical person.
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Yes. Sometimes I stand in the yard.
not quiet a farmer so - outstanding in his own field
and where does your partner position themselves ?
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My point was that it is a direct product of autism.
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That's the part people don't really understand until they really start trying to deal with this type of problem.
I'm a rather practical person.
The more you try to convince people the less they gonna believe you, that's the law of the internet.
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My point was that it is a direct product of autism.
I seriously getting tired of trying to explain this to you folk.
If you met me in real life you'd be surprised by the level of not giving a fuck I have.
Of course people have fucking problems, life is full of brutal shit wall to wall, the difference between real problems, and shit that just sucks is that you have to work with real problems.
Being proactive for me means factoring in the autism, I have to, not because I'm feeling sorry for myself but because the disorder is so pervasive.
So even on a good day, I have to factor in what I'm thinking.
That's the part people don't really understand until they really start trying to deal with this type of problem.
I'm a rather practical person.
For a person without emotions you are very emotional. And you do seem to give a lot of fucks. I do believe you've been cured. It's a Christmas miracle.
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The more you try to convince people the less they gonna believe you, that's the law of the internet.
Says the master, whatever dude. I know what I'm talking about, you do the bullshit deflect, and bullshit routine I don't give a fuck, I'm gonna say what I'm gonna fucking say.
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Says the master, whatever dude. I know what I'm talking about, you do the bullshit deflect, and bullshit routine I don't give a fuck, I'm gonna say what I'm gonna fucking say.
1/10 moron.
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For a person without emotions you are very emotional. And you do seem to give a lot of fucks. I do believe you've been cured. It's a Christmas miracle.
It's not about having emotions it's about connecting the emotions appropriately. Emotions are displayed and interpreted, on a direct way by normal people. I have impairments in making those 1-1 transfers of emotional content.
My point is that there is no interpersonal emotional exchange, its a internal one.
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not quiet a farmer so - outstanding in his own field
and where does your partner position themselves ?
As far away from me as possible. It's been a long fifteen years
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RAtard is just a lazy procrastinator. Nothing else. He is trying to hang his hat anywhere else but the one that it belongs on.
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As far away from me as possible. It's been a long fifteen years
is there a direct relationship between the marriage and the back pain?
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It's not about having emotions it's about connecting the emotions appropriately. Emotions are displayed and interpreted, on a direct way by normal people. I have impairments in making those 1-1 transfers of emotional content.
My point is that there is no interpersonal emotional exchange, its a internal one.
You seem able to show empathy for others. You're fine.
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RAtard is just a lazy procrastinator. Nothing else. He is trying to hang his hat anywhere else but the one that it belongs on,
Lazy, how does that fucking factor into anything that is going on in the discussion.
At best this is an obvious admission that your autistic aswell.
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You seem able to show empathy for others. You're fine.
It's sympathy, not empathy, there's a difference, and it is especially easy on a message board, which is why I live on them.
Which is why the notion that you can say someone on a message board doesn't have it is truly ignorant.
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It's sympathy, not empathy, there's a difference, and it is especially easy on a message board, which is why I live on them.
Which is why the notion that you can say someone on a message board doesn't have it is truly ignorant.
Either way, you aren't autistic.
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Lazy, how does that fucking factor into anything that is going on in the discussion.
At best this is an obvious admission that your autistic aswell.
It factors because your laziness is the root of all your problems. You are a chronic procrastinator which has caused all the failures in your life that you incorrectly attribute to "AssBurgers", "RAtardism", or "Artisticism".
Learn how to prioritize instead of trying to use WebMD to diagnose your non-existent condition which creates a nocebo effect.
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If you are serious - Lol fucking lol most retarded argument ever, but very typical american.
otherwise nice and clever joke
Fuck no I wasn't serious. I fucking hate guns, gun rights and anything to do with guns or weapons. Guns are for PUSSIES who can't fight.
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Happened in NEWTOwN CT
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It factors because your laziness is the root of all your problems. You are a chronic procrastinator which has caused all the failures in your life that you incorrectly attribute to "AssBurgers", "RAtardism", or "Artisticism".
Learn how to prioritize instead of trying to use WebMD to diagnose your non-existent condition which creates a nocebo effect.
I'm taking this as an admission that you have it as well.
No denial I don't procrastinate, and it's something I have to deal with, but it's hardly the scope of the disorder.
I don't stimm because I procrastinate, I don't have verbal issues because I procrastinated in learning to talk.
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So this guy was using 2 9mm's and left his AR in the car? Definitely had aspergers.
All registered to his mother(the teacher) apparently. There isn't any kind of gun control other than making them totally illegal that would have kept the guns out of the teacher sons hands.
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is there a direct relationship between the marriage and the back pain?
No. She's more of a pain in the ass.
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All registered to his mother(the teacher) apparently. There isn't any kind of gun control other than making them totally illegal that would have kept the guns out of the teacher sons hands.
A locked safe would have been a good start.
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This is reality people , want your children protected at school? laws ain't gonna do it
Elementary school class in Israel.
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This is reality people , want your children protected at school? laws ain't gonna do it
Elementary school class in Israel.
I suck her tits for sure.
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No. She's more of a pain in the ass.
miserable together or happy apart
if you were up to your neck in shit and someone thew a bucket of snot at you what is the intelligent thing to do?
its a bummer of a question to be asked but dwell on it for a moment
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This is reality people , want your children protected at school? laws ain't gonna do it
Elementary school class in Israel.
That chick wouldn't stand a chance against anyone who wanted her dead. All a killer would have to do is dress up in a suit and tie with a brief case and walk right up to her with a smile and shoot her before she even knew what was coming.
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This is reality people , want your children protected at school? laws ain't gonna do it
Elementary school class in Israel.
Anyone else feels the urge to shoot this lil' motherfucjers?
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IMOP if we get rid of the guns, we are going to see some serious devastation with explosives. The difference between 26 killed today or everyone in the building blown up.
Human beings have always been crazy. And it isn't going away.
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That chick wouldn't stand a chance against anyone who wanted her dead. All a killer would have to do is dress up in a suit and tie with a brief case and walk right up to her with a smile and shoot her before she even knew what was coming.
Nice scenario , cool story bro ::) You think she's the only one with a firearm? she gets killed and another comes in her stead with another gun
Guns aren't the end-all be-all solution but it's a fucking of a lot better than nothing.
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IMOP if we get rid of the guns, we are going to see some serious devastation with explosives. The difference between 26 killed today or everyone in the building blown up.
Human beings have always been crazy. And it isn't going away.
Exactly , you can't legislate sanity to the insane. You can't stop them either but hopefully minimize the end result.
And what they are saying is , this guy did something reprehensible but you're gonna have to pay for it , by us infringing on your right to protect your family
This guy knew he's had free range ( no pun ) schools are a ' gun free zone ' he knew he would go unopposed , what does that say about these bullshit ' feel good ' laws?
Want your children protected? fight fire with fire either , a cop at every school or teachers with firearms , or something other than an invitation to murder innocent children at will
This is the reality of the situation , you can lament all you want about how it shoudln't be this way or in a perfect world , well fuck off this is how it is , it has to be dealt with and punishing people who follow laws isn't it and making it easy for those who don't most certainly isn't either.
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If George Zimmerman was doing security at the school, he would of let this white fucked thru no questions asked
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If George Zimmerman was doing security at the school, he would of let this white fucked thru no questions asked
zimmerman would have been in the cafeteria eating ice cream.
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last reports say he killed his mom in their house, then went to school to kill her class (WTF?). Apparently father learnt about the whole thing after a journalist told him about it only later once it was all said and done...
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last reports say he killed his mom in their house, then went to school to kill her class. Apparently father learnt about the whole thing after a journalist told him about it...
They were divorced since 2008.
This is so freaking senseless - probably the most devastating news I have heard in a long time. Being a father of two, a six year old and a nine year old, I cannot fanthom the depravity of a person to go after kids like that. Nothing you can say to the families of this class, except that almost everyone I have talked to is stunned or sorrowful.
Yes, gotta get rid of the semi and automatic guns. But also gotta strengthen the law that gives us citizens the right to have a handgun (max 15 rounds) to defend ourselves against these deranged mental fucks.
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This is reality people , want your children protected at school? laws ain't gonna do it
Elementary school class in Israel.
Any any body who wanted to get those kids would simply shoot the guardian with the gun that stands in his or her way. Whoop-de-do!
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zimmerman would have been in the cafeteria eating ice cream.
Zimmerman would have been going the opposite way in hot pursuit of a suspicious black male.
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They were divorced since 2008.
This is so freaking senseless - probably the most devastating news I have heard in a long time. Being a father of two, a six year old and a nine year old, I cannot fanthom the depravity of a person to go after kids like that. Nothing you can say to the families of this class, except that almost everyone I have talked to is stunned or sorrowful.
Yes, gotta get rid of the semi and automatic guns. But also gotta strengthen the law that gives us citizens the right to have a handgun (max 15 rounds) to defend ourselves against these deranged mental fucks.
Living in California Ron I thought you should know the legal number of rounds for any gun is 10, unless it's older and grangfathered in. You should also know that oulawing guns will only make things worse, again, laws only apply to people who obey them.
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They were divorced since 2008.
This is so freaking senseless - probably the most devastating news I have heard in a long time. Being a father of two, a six year old and a nine year old, I cannot fanthom the depravity of a person to go after kids like that. Nothing you can say to the families of this class, except that almost everyone I have talked to is stunned or sorrowful.
Yes, gotta get rid of the semi and automatic guns. But also gotta strengthen the law that gives us citizens the right to have a handgun (max 15 rounds) to defend ourselves against these deranged mental fucks.
Father probably went right to his weapons and ammo stash to verify his son didnt steal his weapons first and foremost. And probably realized some guns were missing. It will be interesting to know the origin of the weapons.
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Any any body who wanted to get those kids would simply shoot the guardian with the gun that stands in his or her way. Whoop-de-do!
Like I said you really can't prevent these people but what's the alternative? let them have at it?
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They should make guns and bullets as illegal as steroids
It's so much safer knowing roid rage isn't wild in America anymore
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Living in California Ron I thought you should know the legal number of rounds for any gun is 10, unless it's older and grangfathered in. You should also know that oulawing guns will only make things worse, again, laws only apply to people who obey them.
I guess he's arguing that getting these guns out of circulation will cut down on access. Assuming the killer took legally registered weapons that might work. For the most part the cat is already out of the bag and the weapons are out there now so it's pretty much a moot point.
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Unless police officers can respond to every 911 call within 30sec of making that call, guns should never be outlawed
Police don't protect, they only come with chalk to outline the dead bodies and take pictures to solve the crime
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People, smarten the fuck up...the real question beside what did his family do to that kid so he end killing mother and random kids at schools, is, HOW DID HE GET HIS HANDS ON WEAPONS WITHOUT ANYONE NOTICING. I said weapons were prolly his father's, but let's see. If it's indeed the father's weapons, dude is the next to kill himself.
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They were divorced since 2008.
This is so freaking senseless - probably the most devastating news I have heard in a long time. Being a father of two, a six year old and a nine year old, I cannot fanthom the depravity of a person to go after kids like that. Nothing you can say to the families of this class, except that almost everyone I have talked to is stunned or sorrowful.
Yes, gotta get rid of the semi and automatic guns. But also gotta strengthen the law that gives us citizens the right to have a handgun (max 15 rounds) to defend ourselves against these deranged mental fucks.
Automatic guns? get rid of them? they did Ron in 1986 they banned the manufacturer of all new fully-automatic firearms , you can still buy the ones grandfathered in but they are so cost prohibitive it's not feasible ( fully auto M16 goes for around $15-20 thousand dollars )
You want to ban semi-autos yet want to have a hand gun that fires max 15 rounds? that's an oxymoron. semi-auto means the firearm discharges one round per pull of the trigger , full auto will discharge all rounds with one pull of the trigger
Again you can't legislative sanity to the insane , this guy broke dozens of laws already on the books , new ones wouldn't have changed this , or prevented it. It sucks that it's that way but passing new laws that hurt innocent people isn't the solution , especially considering these people intend on breaking them anyway.
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I guess he's arguing that getting these guns out of circulation will cut down on access. Assuming the killer took legally registered weapons that might work. For the most part the cat is already out of the bag and the weapons are out there now so it's pretty much a moot point.
Pandora's box is open and you can NEVER close it again. And if magically all the firearms were banned and disappeared , it would be mad-man strapped himself with home-made explosives and killed 50 children
Lunatics bent on destruction really can't be stopped
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Living in California Ron I thought you should know the legal number of rounds for any gun is 10, unless it's older and grangfathered in. You should also know that oulawing guns will only make things worse, again, laws only apply to people who obey them.
I don't want guns to be outlawed. Just the opposite. Just certain guns that obviously we all talk about, not the ones that we need to defend our families. There is a difference.
Imagine if someone had a gun there. Lives might of been saved. Right when he went into the school and shot the principal and office first.
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They keep talking about this rifle he had, but i heard he left the rifle in the car an killed everyone with a hand gun, he never fired the rifle
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laws only apply to people who obey them.
so why bother with laws ?
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so why bother with laws ?
Those that don't bother with laws do not care about prison or death.
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Pandora's box is open and you can NEVER close it again. And if magically all the firearms were banned and disappeared , it would be mad-man strapped himself with home-made explosives and killed 50 children
Lunatics bent on destruction really can't be stopped
I agree 100%
I don't want guns to be outlawed. Just the opposite. Just certain guns that obviously we all talk about, not the ones that we need to defend our families. There is a difference.
Imagine if someone had a gun there. Lives might of been saved. Right when he went into the school and shot the principal and office first.
Maybe but there is no guarantee of that. That's a picture perfect scenario.
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so why bother with laws ?
It's feel good legislation , they pass these laws pat them selves on the backs for a job well done , and nothing really gets accomplished , case in point
Gun-free school zones , it's illegal for a law-abiding citizen who owns a legal firearm from bringing it on school grounds , these insane people know they will go unopposed when they do these acts
Laws are passed to punish-after the fact , these people usually take the easy way out anyway so once again it's redundant.
This guy broke a host of laws already on the books , laws don't prevent these things and only punish the people who follow them
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People, smarten the fuck up...the real question beside what did his family do to that kid so he end killing mother and random kids at schools, is, HOW DID HE GET HIS HANDS ON WEAPONS WITHOUT ANYONE NOTICING. I said weapons were prolly his father's, but let's see. If it's indeed the father's weapons, dude is the next to kill himself.
No, its been confirmed the gun actually belonged to the mother. Well, they were under her name. Who used them most is another story.
The weapons used in Friday’s shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., were legally purchased and registered to Nancy Lanza, the mother of the gunman, Adam Lanza, two law enforcement officials told NBC News.
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I don't want guns to be outlawed. Just the opposite. Just certain guns that obviously we all talk about, not the ones that we need to defend our families. There is a difference.
Imagine if someone had a gun there. Lives might of been saved. Right when he went into the school and shot the principal and office first.
I was just letting you know in CA the law is 10 rounds and for rifles they have to have a "bullet button" to remove the magazine.
These tragic events always get turned into gun debates instead of focusing on why this person did this.
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The natural result of a Godless anti-christ society.
It's actually the opposite, it's the result of a society that worships GOD, atheists are the minority, making up only about 5% of the population, the rest are God Botherers of some sort. Statistically speaking, communities that are heavily atheist have a far lower homicide rate than GOD Bothering communities.
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In Australia, this shit never happens, it's virtually impossible to get a gun of any sort, even responsible people have to jump through hoops to own a gun.
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In Australia, this shit never happens, it's virtually impossible to get a gun of any sort, even responsible people have to jump through hoops to own a gun.
In certain parts of the USA you can buy a guy like buying candy. Some stats have extremely lax gun laws.
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There are 300,000,000 million guns in the USA. I open my refrigerator and a gun falls out. I opened my sock draw and I had no socks but I had two pistols.
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There are 300,000,000 million guns in the USA. I open my refrigerator and a gun falls out. I opened my sock draw and I had no socks but I had two pistols.
Did you accidentally try to put the pistols on your feet?
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In Australia, this shit never happens, it's virtually impossible to get a gun of any sort, even responsible people have to jump through hoops to own a gun.
Good for Australia , wouldn't work in the U.S we're a violent people
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I guess he's arguing that getting these guns out of circulation will cut down on access. Assuming the killer took legally registered weapons that might work. For the most part the cat is already out of the bag and the weapons are out there now so it's pretty much a moot point.
The 2 9mm's he used in the killings (no assault rifles or automatics were used) were from his mother which were registered to her and legally obtained by her from what I've read in reports.
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This
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I know the gun nuts are in denial, their is no need for the entire population to be owning guns, it's crazy. In Australia, 1996 we had a lone nutjob shoot and kill 35 people (some say it was a Govt. Psyop), but anyway, the government outlawed guns, introduced a buyback scheme for everyone to hand in their weapons and heavily regulated gun ownership. No-one owns guns, except maybe a few enthusiasts, farmers and hunters (and they are heavily monitored). Personally, I don't know why people feel the need to own a gun unless they are enthusiasts, farmers or hunters. it doesn't make any sense. People can make all types of crazy arguments until they are blue in the face, but you can't argue with No Guns = No mass School shootings. if you cant get access to guns, you can't kill a lot of people in a short period of time, it really is that simple, unless your a GUN NUT!
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They keep talking about this rifle he had, but i heard he left the rifle in the car an killed everyone with a hand gun, he never fired the rifle
This. The AR was left in the trunk of his car and he only used 2 9mm hand guns in the shooting.
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I know the gun nuts are in denial, their is no need for the entire population to be owning guns, it's crazy. In Australia, 1996 we had a lone nutjob shoot and kill 35 people (some say it was a Govt. Psyop), but anyway, the government outlawed guns, introduced a buyback scheme for everyone to hand in their weapons and heavily regulated gun ownership. No-one owns guns, except maybe a few enthusiasts, farmers and hunters (and they are heavily monitored). Personally, I don't know why people feel the need to own a gun unless they are enthusiasts, farmers or hunters. it doesn't make any sense. People can make all types of crazy arguments until they are blue in the face, but you can't argue with No Guns = No mass School shootings. if you cant get access to guns, you can't kill a lot of people in a short period of time, it really is that simple, unless your a GUN NUT!
Gun culture is to deeply engrained in the United States.
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In certain parts of the USA you can buy a guy like buying candy. Some stats have extremely lax gun laws.
You can walk into any gun show in any state and buy one with no back ground check.
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You can walk into any gun show in any state and buy one with no back ground check.
thats pretty crazy :'( :'(
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Gun culture is to deeply engrained in the United States.
"Gun culture" and faith in God are the reason why the white race will survive there while it is disapearing from atheist europe , where people are being replaced by muslims.
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There are school stabbings sometimes in China. Zero people died yesterday at this one. Zero. It's true that guns don't kill people, but it is beyond idiotic to keep on pretending that they are not enabling the massacre numbers to climb.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/12/14/china-school-stabbings/1770395/
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This. The AR was left in the trunk of his car and he only used 2 9mm hand guns in the shooting.
Maybe he locked the keys in his car and couldn't open the trunk.
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if you cant get access to guns, you can't kill a lot of people in a short period of time, it really is that simple, unless your a GUN NUT!
You're mistaken , you can via other methods. IED , home-made explosives , incendiaries , use your head and stop being childish and the potential with those is even higher for more casualties
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last reports say he killed his mom in their house, then went to school to kill her class (WTF?). Apparently father learnt about the whole thing after a journalist told him about it only later once it was all said and done...
Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old who killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut this morning, was "obviously not well," a relative told ABC News.
Family friends in Newtown also described the young man as troubled and described his mother Nancy as very rigid. "[Adam] was not connected with the other kids," said one friend.
Late today, police said Nancy Lanza's body was found in the family home. According to sources, Lanza shot his mother in the face, then left the house armed with at least two semi-automatic handguns and a semi-automatic rifle.
State and federal authorities believe his mother may have once worked at the elementary school where Adam went on his deadly rampage, although she was not a teacher, according to relatives, perhaps a volunteer.
http://gma.yahoo.com/connecticut-shooter-adam-lanza-obviously-not-well-182011729--abc-news-topstories.html
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You're mistaken , you can via other methods. IED , home-made explosives , incendiaries , use your head and stop being childish and the potential with those is even higher for more casualties
Hello Mr Gun Nut, the other devices you mentioned are even harder to get, and I would say, almost Impossible to get in this country. I know someone who sells garden supplies and is heavily monitored by the Feds when buying Fertiliser, hence the reason we don't have people blowing each other up or shooting masses of innocent children. Why make it easy for someone having a bad day to kill masses of children. Gun Loving Americans, the really passionate type are pretty crazy, they are the greatest proof for banning guns, do you really want to live next door to someone that would literally kill other people for their right to own guns. Once again, it's fairly basic maths, NO ACCESS TO WEAPONS CAPABLE OF KILLING LOTS OF PEOPLE IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME = NO MASS KILLINGS
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Very Sad. As a parent I couldn't even imagine this. Shit like this doesn't happen in Canada. This piece of shit will be forgotten in days....the children won't.
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Was it really necessary to have his brother in hand cuffs????? He could of simply been escorted into the back of a police car without being in hand cuffs while the news cameras were rolling. If the brother had zero involvement, I would say he's suffered a huge loss today.. His brother, his mother. For the rest of his life people are going to say "hey, that's the brother of that mass murdered in Connecticut!".
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Hello Mr Gun Nut, the other devices you mentioned are even harder to get, and I would say, almost Impossible to get in this country. I know someone who sells garden supplies and is heavily monitored by the Feds when buying Fertiliser, hence the reason we don't have people blowing each other up or shooting masses of innocent children. Why make it easy for someone having a bad day to kill masses of children. Gun Loving Americans, the really passionate type are pretty crazy, they are the greatest proof for banning guns, do you really want to live next door to someone that would literally kill other people for their right to own guns. Once again, it's fairly basic maths, NO ACCESS TO WEAPONS CAPABLE OF KILLING LOTS OF PEOPLE IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME = NO MASS KILLINGS
Wrong again , basic house hold products which are widely available in any country can be used easily to create a bomb , you can't argue to the contrary
and again oversimplification , and not accurate. You put almost no thought into your childish post.
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Very Sad. As a parent I couldn't even imagine this. Shit like this doesn't happen in Canada. This piece of shit will be forgotten in days....the children won't.
Unfortunately because of our media, he won't be forgotten in days and this will just inspire more tragedies to the mentally iill out there who wish to have their names in lights.
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I'm hearing this kid killed his mother, father and brother? Somebody confirm this - Thanks
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I'm hearing this kid killed his mother, father and brother? Somebody confirm this - Thanks
Mother , school principle , 4 other adults who worked at school and 20 kids all about 5yrs old
Brother and father are alive
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Girl i was friends with in grammar and high school has two daughters in the school. She FB pm'd me that they are safe thank heavens.
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Mother , school principle , 4 other adults who worked at school and 20 kids all about 5yrs old
Brother and father are alive
Got it. And apparently all the weapons used by this kid was legally purchased by the mom. Also I think he had an on going dispute with her as well.
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Got it. And apparently all the weapons used by this kid was legally purchased by the mom. Also I think he had an on going dispute with her as well.
The older brother said he had not talked to his younger brother in over 2 years because he was a fucking nut case
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Wrong again , basic house hold products which are widely available in any country can be used easily to create a bomb , you can't argue to the contrary
and again oversimplification , and not accurate. You put almost no thought into your childish post.
You're comparing dish soap and Clorox bleach to a Sig 9mm. Hahahahaa.
I don't give a fuck who has guns- Lunatics, cops, serial killers etc. But I know the difference in a Glock 19 and a bottle of Windex- one kills 20 kids, the other cleans my sliding glass door.
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I was just letting you know in CA the law is 10 rounds and for rifles they have to have a "bullet button" to remove the magazine.
These tragic events always get turned into gun debates instead of focusing on why this person did this.
Yes. It's absolute bullshit.
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You're comparing dish soap and Clorox bleach to a Sig 9mm. Hahahahaa.
I don't give a fuck who has guns. Lunatics, cops, serial killers etc. But I know the difference in a Glock 19 and a bottle of Windex- one kills 20 kids, the other cleans my sliding glass door.
No I'm comparing common items that can be used as a bomb which has the potential to just as much harm or more , found this in two seconds , seriously use your head. You don't need a gun to cause destruction like this
Acetone Peroxide
Acetone Peroxide is an explosive made with 2 easy to get ingredients. Be careful doing this because AP is a highly volatile and unpredictable.
Chemicals needed
Acetone
Hydrogen Peroxide
Muriatic Acid (If you don't have this around go to a pool store)
Items needed
2 Glass Jars
Measuring cup
Old T shirt or rag
How to make it
1-First you wan't to Measure out 650mL of Acetone.
2-Now Measure out 1000 ml of Hydrogen peroxide.
3-Put both of these in a jar stir and mix them together well.
4-Put this mixture in your freezer for about 5 minutes.
5-Get your second jar and measure out 500 mL muriatic acid.
6-Cover the jar and put it in the freezer for an hour or 2.
7-Once you take it out mix this and the hydrogen peroxide/Acetone mixture together.
8-Put this new mixture in the freezer for 24 hours and you should see a white substance at the bottom of the jar. This is the AP.
Molotov Cocktail
The Molotov cocktail is an extremely easy to make incendiary device you can make at home.
What you need
1-Glass bottle
2-A rag
3-Gasoline
4-Motor oil
5-Styrofoam (Optional)
How to make it
1-Fill the glass bottle half way with gasoline.
2-Fill 25% of the bottle with Motor oil
3-If you have the Styrofoam you can add this to the mixture as a thickening agent. This will cause it to stick to whatever you threw it at and it will make it burn longer.
4-Tie a rag or other piece of cloth around the neck of the bottle.
5-Soak the rag in gasoline of kerosene and throw it.
Sparkler Bomb
Even though you may not have sparklers laying around they are easily found and dirt cheap. For this one all you need to do is a buy a lot of sparklers. The more you buy obviously the bigger the explosion will be.
Wrap the sparklers together tightly with electrical tape. As a fuse you can use another sparkler that is sticking out of the bomb. The more safe way is to just go and get some cannon fuse. Light this and it will blow up.
Pipe Bomb
Get a section of metal water pipe, about 1/2 inch around and 6 inches long.
Get two metal caps that are sized to fit that pipe. These are easily
acquired in most hardware stores.
Drill a hole, about 1/16 inch in diameter, in the center of the pipe this is where the fuse will go. Screw one of the caps onto the pipe. Then you want to run the fuse through the pipe. After that what you want to do is take the black powder or other explosive and fill the pipe with it. You can also add nails or other objects for extra shrapnel. Once you've done this put the other cap onto the end of the pipe and you're ready to go.
Works Bomb
The works bomb isn't really that lethal but it's extremely simple to make and can be fun. All you need is some tin foil and some works toilet cleaner. You will also need a bottle of some kind. Thicker bottles such as a Gatorade one will make a louder explosion. All you have to do is cut the foil into strips and put them in the bottle. Then add enough works cleaner equal to the foil. Shake it and throw it. It can take up to a minute to explode but when you see white smoke forming in the bottle you know it's working.
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The more that comes out - the more it will be seen that this freak was on meds, a known psycho, in therapy, etc Count on it
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The last six months in the USA:
April 2 - A gunman kills seven people and wounds three in a shooting rampage at a Christian college in Oakland.
July 20 - A masked gunman kills 12 people and wounds 58 when he opens fire on moviegoers at a showing of the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, a suburb of Denver, Colorado.
August 5 - A gunman kills six people during Sunday services at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, before he is shot dead by a police officer.
August 24 - Two people are killed and eight wounded in a shooting outside the landmark Empire State Building in New York City at the height of the tourist season.
September 27 - A disgruntled former employee kills five people and takes his own life in a shooting rampage at a Minneapolis sign company from which he had been fired.
October 21 - Three people are killed in a Milwaukee area spa including the estranged wife of the suspected gunman, who then killed himself.
December 14 - A shooter opens fire at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, killing 28 people including children.
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The last six months in the USA:
April 2 - A gunman kills seven people and wounds three in a shooting rampage at a Christian college in Oakland.
July 20 - A masked gunman kills 12 people and wounds 58 when he opens fire on moviegoers at a showing of the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, a suburb of Denver, Colorado.
August 5 - A gunman kills six people during Sunday services at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, before he is shot dead by a police officer.
August 24 - Two people are killed and eight wounded in a shooting outside the landmark Empire State Building in New York City at the height of the tourist season.
September 27 - A disgruntled former employee kills five people and takes his own life in a shooting rampage at a Minneapolis sign company from which he had been fired.
October 21 - Three people are killed in a Milwaukee area spa including the estranged wife of the suspected gunman, who then killed himself.
December 14 - A shooter opens fire at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, killing 28 people including children.
Wow news to us ::) America is violent thanks captain obvious
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I was just letting you know in CA the law is 10 rounds and for rifles they have to have a "bullet button" to remove the magazine.
These tragic events always get turned into gun debates instead of focusing on why this person did this.
We should be having a talk about mental illness in this country but that will fall to the wayside as dipshits like TommyWishbone try to strongarm the rest of us into some idiotic move that won't fix anything.
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I know the gun nuts are in denial, their is no need for the entire population to be owning guns, it's crazy. In Australia, 1996 we had a lone nutjob shoot and kill 35 people (some say it was a Govt. Psyop), but anyway, the government outlawed guns, introduced a buyback scheme for everyone to hand in their weapons and heavily regulated gun ownership. No-one owns guns, except maybe a few enthusiasts, farmers and hunters (and they are heavily monitored). Personally, I don't know why people feel the need to own a gun unless they are enthusiasts, farmers or hunters. it doesn't make any sense. People can make all types of crazy arguments until they are blue in the face, but you can't argue with No Guns = No mass School shootings. if you cant get access to guns, you can't kill a lot of people in a short period of time, it really is that simple, unless your a GUN NUT!
Listen up and listen good. The United States is a rather expansive land with most major cities clustered in just a few locations. These cities have police availability, capabilities and response times whereas rural areas may not even have police and have to rely on a County Sheriff or other Municipality.
Most of the United States is in fact rural as far as number total number of cities and towns go. Someone breaks in your house and the nearest police officer is a good 20 miles away, what are you supposed to do?
This is precisely why banning guns is moronic. The idiots in big cities seem to forget about the rest of the United States when they preach the anti-gun nonsense when they have 30-100 police officers per square mile. They have no business dictating gun laws for the entire country whatsoever.
Furthermore, our Constitution guarantees it as a right, end of story. I hope this is clear.
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Don't go blaming me ND when a box of Tide laundry detergent explodes and kills you. I'll sing a nice song at your funeral.
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"Listen up and listen good."
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Don't go blaming me ND when a box of Tide laundry detergent explodes and kills you. I'll sing a nice song at your funeral.
Seriously this the best you got? ??? take all the guns away America will still be violent. Guns aren't making Americans violent , we should be asking what is.
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Listen up and listen good. The United States is a rather expansive land with most major cities clustered in just a few locations. These cities have police availability, capabilities and response times whereas rural areas may not even have police and have to rely on a County Sheriff or other Municipality.
Most of the United States is in fact rural as far as number total number of cities and towns go. Someone breaks in your house and the nearest police officer is a good 20 miles away, what are you supposed to do?
This is precisely why banning guns is moronic. The idiots in big cities seem to forget about the rest of the United States when they preach the anti-gun nonsense when they have 30-100 police officers per square mile. They have no business dictating gun laws for the entire country whatsoever.
Furthermore, our Constitution guarantees it as a right, end of story. I hope this is clear.
After the phrase, "end of story" one generally ends the story. You added more.
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Seriously this the best you got? ??? take all the guns away America will still be violent. Guns aren't making Americans violent , we should be asking what is.
Relax man. Gun control is moot. Everybody knows that. I am not for gun control- I'm just saying our culture and the availability of guns in the USA is crazy.
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I know the gun nuts are in denial, their is no need for the entire population to be owning guns, it's crazy. In Australia, 1996 we had a lone nutjob shoot and kill 35 people (some say it was a Govt. Psyop), but anyway, the government outlawed guns, introduced a buyback scheme for everyone to hand in their weapons and heavily regulated gun ownership. No-one owns guns, except maybe a few enthusiasts, farmers and hunters (and they are heavily monitored). Personally, I don't know why people feel the need to own a gun unless they are enthusiasts, farmers or hunters. it doesn't make any sense. People can make all types of crazy arguments until they are blue in the face, but you can't argue with No Guns = No mass School shootings. if you cant get access to guns, you can't kill a lot of people in a short period of time, it really is that simple, unless your a GUN NUT!
Really? Tim McVeigh killed hundreds of people in a short period of time...without guns. How's that happen?
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What young white children need is love and respect at an early age, preferably during all their teens, and none of this would happen.
It is very important how a young mind evolves from 7 years to 20 years.
From 7 to 15, a good upbringing and respectful comrades help build a strong mind, giving him a sense of belonging and that he has value.
Even less chance of anything like this happening if he gets laid regularly from 16 to 20.
Think about this when raising new children. Avoid creating more of these mass-murdering youngsters that has been bullied or mistreated by their parents / peers during the most important years, the years that shape what kind of man you will become.
Also, avoid blacks and arabs, prevent your children from meeting such people since they can give them ideas.
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With all respect to the victims of today's tragedy.
The gun statistics are wildly misleading. The majority of the gun killings are committed by gang members, drug dealers, and criminals with extensive records. Quite frankly, if two crackheads want to shoot it out with two gang banging cartel members and all die in a hail of gunfire, most Americans don't care.
RIP to the innocent people who lost their lives today by the actions of a mentally disturbed maniac.
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The last six months in the USA:
April 2 - A gunman kills seven people and wounds three in a shooting rampage at a Christian college in Oakland.
July 20 - A masked gunman kills 12 people and wounds 58 when he opens fire on moviegoers at a showing of the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, a suburb of Denver, Colorado.
August 5 - A gunman kills six people during Sunday services at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, before he is shot dead by a police officer.
August 24 - Two people are killed and eight wounded in a shooting outside the landmark Empire State Building in New York City at the height of the tourist season.
September 27 - A disgruntled former employee kills five people and takes his own life in a shooting rampage at a Minneapolis sign company from which he had been fired.
October 21 - Three people are killed in a Milwaukee area spa including the estranged wife of the suspected gunman, who then killed himself.
December 14 - A shooter opens fire at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, killing 28 people including children.
All tragic of course. Now, by comparison, how many shootings occurred in gun free Chicago over the same time period?
Crazy people will find the means and methods to inflict their craziness on others if they are he'll bent on hurting someone.
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Totally Misleading statistic.
The number of Homicides per 100,000 in the United States is only 2.98.
By contrast, Austria is 2.94.
Yet you want to make out like the United States is the Wild West.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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Listen up and listen good. The United States is a rather expansive land with most major cities clustered in just a few locations. These cities have police availability, capabilities and response times whereas rural areas may not even have police and have to rely on a County Sheriff or other Municipality.
Most of the United States is in fact rural as far as number total number of cities and towns go. Someone breaks in your house and the nearest police officer is a good 20 miles away, what are you supposed to do?
This is precisely why banning guns is moronic. The idiots in big cities seem to forget about the rest of the United States when they preach the anti-gun nonsense when they have 30-100 police officers per square mile. They have no business dictating gun laws for the entire country whatsoever.
Furthermore, our Constitution guarantees it as a right, end of story. I hope this is clear.
Pretty accurate. In a split-second life or death situation the police are only minutes away.
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The more that comes out - the more it will be seen that this freak was on meds, a known psycho, in therapy, etc Count on it
with mommy issues
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Pretty accurate. In a split-second life or death situation the police are only minutes away.
They can be half an hour away to an hour away or more in a lot of the United States.
Besides, the homicide rate per 100,000 is not that high at all as I stated earlier.
If morons would just look at the facts and not be swayed by sensationalism and myth, then we would see that the most reasonable approach is the one where we do nothing and continue with the 2nd amendment as it is.
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Totally Misleading statistic.
The number of Homicides per 100,000 in the United States is only 2.98.
By contrast, Austria is 2.94.
Yet you want to make out like the United States is the Wild West.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
interesting good post
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with mommy issues
and father issues. Clearly mom must have been out of her mind herself to let him know where the guns were... she s the only responsible for all of this to have happened. You dont let your kids know where your weapons and ammo are, especialy if you are yourself mentally unstable -after the breakup with father?- and so is the son remaining with you.
And where did the rifle some of you talked about supposedly left in the car come from btw? His mother, too?
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clearly mom let him know where the guns were... she s the only responsible for all of this to have happened. You dont let your kids know where your weapons and ammo are. And where did the rifle come from btw? His mother, too?
Mommy also took him to church and was known as being very rigid, strict and religious.
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In Austria, annual handgun homicides total
2010: 1
2009: 6
2008: 1
2007: 3
2006: 1
2005: 5
2003: 4
2002: 3
In the United States, annual handgun homicides total
2009: 9,146
2008: 9,484
2007: 10,129
2006: 10,225
2005: 10,158
2004: 9,385
2003: 9,659
2002: 9,369
2001: 8,890
1999: 8,259
1998: 9,257
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West Germany? Where did you get this from? Just curious.
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We should be having a talk about mental illness in this country but that will fall to the wayside as dipshits like TommyWishbone try to strongarm the rest of us into some idiotic move that won't fix anything.
Thank you,
goddamn near sighted fools...
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We should be having a talk about mental illness in this country but that will fall to the wayside as dipshits like TommyWishbone try to strongarm the rest of us into some idiotic move that won't fix anything.
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Anyone that questions our Second Amendment Rights is an ignorant fool.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-B. Franklin
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In Brazil, 35.233 were killed by guns in 2010. Note that firearms are illegal in Brazil since 2003.
http://www.imparesonline.com.br/2011/12/barsil-campeao-de-armas-e-de-mortes-por.html
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Not to go 333386 here, but I absolutely despise anyone that even questions our right to keep and bear arms. Especially in the wake of something like this.
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In Austria, annual handgun homicides total
2010: 1
2009: 6
2008: 1
2007: 3
2006: 1
2005: 5
2003: 4
2002: 3
In the United States, annual handgun homicides total
2009: 9,146
2008: 9,484
2007: 10,129
2006: 10,225
2005: 10,158
2004: 9,385
2003: 9,659
2002: 9,369
2001: 8,890
1999: 8,259
1998: 9,257
Pretty low numbers considering the population is over 300 million.
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Yes, I'm all for gun control- as long as I control all the guns.
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They can be half an hour away to an hour away or more in a lot of the United States.
Besides, the homicide rate per 100,000 is not that high at all as I stated earlier.
If morons would just look at the facts and not be swayed by sensationalism and myth, then we would see that the most reasonable approach is the one where we do nothing and continue with the 2nd amendment as it is.
I wouldn't say do nothing. security at these schools needs to be improved. Look at inner city schools..one way in, one way out and you pass through a metal detector with armed security overseeing the whole deal. and if you just walk up, you are on camera, and they ask you for ID and to state your business before they let you in.
if you shoot the guard, you are in a hallway with electronically locked doors barring you from getting to the classrooms. yeah you killed a guard and that sucks, but you didn't kill 20 kids
That's why these sick bastards target suburban schools, they are soft targets with plenty of victims. It sure won't stop a determined person from hurting people, but it will deter them and lessen the catastrophe..it's way too easy the way things are now.
I used to walk up to my daughter's classroom and pick her up from elementary school, and nobody said a word to me.
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In Brazil, 35.233 were killed by guns in 2010. Note that firearms are illegal in Brazil since 2003.
Brazil is nearly 9 times worse than the United States as far as Homicides with firearms per 100,000 go and yet they have banned guns. :D Seems like its working well. :D
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/194/rate_of_gun_homicide/26
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I wouldn't say do nothing. security at these schools needs to be improved. Look at inner city schools..one way in, one way out and you pass through a metal detector with armed security overseeing the whole deal. and if you just walk up, you are on camera, and they ask you for ID and to state your business before they let you in.
if you shoot the guard, you are in a hallway with electronically locked doors barring you from getting to the classrooms. yeah you killed a guard and that sucks, but you didn't kill 20 kids
That's why these sick bastards target suburban schools, they are soft targets with plenty of victims. It sure won't stop a determined person from hurting people, but it will deter them and lessen the catastrophe..it's way too easy the way things are now.
I used to walk up to my daughter's classroom and pick her up from elementary school, and nobody said a word to me.
I meant doing nothing as far as restricting firearms.
They should step up security at schools by hiring guards, improving locks, methods of entry etc...
Someone did let this guy in. From what I understand, he had to be buzzed in and someone did just that. Buzzed him right in. That is a failure.
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What young white children need is love and respect at an early age, preferably during all their teens, and none of this would happen.
It is very important how a young mind evolves from 7 years to 20 years.
From 7 to 15, a good upbringing and respectful comrades help build a strong mind, giving him a sense of belonging and that he has value.
Even less chance of anything like this happening if he gets laid regularly from 16 to 20.
Think about this when raising new children. Avoid creating more of these mass-murdering youngsters that has been bullied or mistreated by their parents / peers during the most important years, the years that shape what kind of man you will become.
Also, avoid blacks and arabs, prevent your children from meeting such people since they can give them ideas.
And control their friends and tv/internet browsing sessions. Basic common sense that has been abandonned by most parents for at least 2 decades. Well, to be completely honnest, most people from the higher social classes always have raised their kids that way. It s often people from the middle and lower social classes who forget about this. Just like women kids exist to be shaped, if you dont shape them, someone, something else will. Dont come whining then when they "dont turn out the way you wanted them to be".
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Thrown out of the Ramones. . . become a mass murderer.
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I meant doing nothing as far as restricting firearms.
They should step up security at schools by hiring guards, improving locks, methods of entry etc...
Someone did let this guy in. From what I understand, he had to be buzzed in and someone did just that. Buzzed him right in. That is a failure.
Total failure. that's fucked up. a Metal detector , safety doors and an armed guard will fix that real quick. like an airlock. can't get in unless you are good to go
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The population of Japan is 126,475,664 people.
ChartIn Japan, annual firearm homicides total
2008: 119
2002: 4712
2001: 56
1997: 3413
1996: 36
1995: 42
CompareRate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
ChartIn Japan, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2008: 0.09
2002: 0.0412
2001: 0.04
1997: 0.0313
1996: 0.03
1995: 0.03
1994: 0.0214
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and father issues. Clearly mom must have been out of her mind herself to let him know where the guns were... she s the only responsible for all of this to have happened. You dont let your kids know where your weapons and ammo are, especialy if you are yourself mentally unstable -after the breakup with father?- and so is the son remaining with you.
And where did the rifle some of you talked about supposedly left in the car come from btw? His mother, too?
I heard all of the guns were registered to the mother. He lived with her. Clearly he had some major mother issues. He shot her IN THE FACE. I haven't heard anything about the father other than he was cooperating with the investigation.
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It's brutal here in CT......say all you want about the kid,how he was raised,gun control....
....nothing changes the facts that 20 sets of parents lost their kids today.
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I heard all of the guns were registered to the mother. He lived with her. Clearly he had some major mother issues. He shot her IN THE FACE. I haven't heard anything about the father other than he was cooperating with the investigation.
Maybe he was aiming for her gut and he's just a really bad shot?
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The population of Japan is 126,475,664 people.
ChartIn Japan, annual firearm homicides total
2008: 119
2002: 4712
2001: 56
1997: 3413
1996: 36
1995: 42
CompareRate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
ChartIn Japan, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2008: 0.09
2002: 0.0412
2001: 0.04
1997: 0.0313
1996: 0.03
1995: 0.03
1994: 0.0214
1. Japan is not America nor does it have the land mass. It is a collection of tiny islands that has many police officers per square mile. This is not the case in the United States as I have noted earlier.
2. Japan also has a monoculture and people literally live on top of each other. The United States is NOTHING like this. Again, they have enough officers per square mile to cover the entire population as they live on top of each other.
3. You can`t compare the two countries at all, it makes no sense to do so.
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I heard all of the guns were registered to the mother. He lived with her. Clearly he had some major mother issues. He shot her IN THE FACE. I haven't heard anything about the father other than he was cooperating with the investigation.
Peter Lanza is a vice president and tax specialist at GE Energy Financial Services, is remarried and lives in Stamford. He also is registered a Republican and has a position in his church apparently.
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I meant doing nothing as far as restricting firearms.
They should step up security at schools by hiring guards, improving locks, methods of entry etc...
Someone did let this guy in. From what I understand, he had to be buzzed in and someone did just that. Buzzed him right in. That is a failure.
why do you suddenly pretend to care anyways, i thought " kids were disgusting " ::)
What a confused weirdo.
It's brutal here in CT......say all you want about the kid,how he was raised,gun control....
....nothing changes the facts that 20 sets of parents lost their kids today.
Well, their losses wont be in vain as something will be done so it never happens again. Mankind as a whole -well, north america- will benefit from this tragedy.
Now it's really important authorities reveal everything that led to creating such a monster in details. You ll see that he was left with his mother who was probably depressed/suicidal while his father rejected him / prefered older brother... older brother saying his young brother was "a nutcase" is a dead give away that the "family" was just completely shattered.
These scenariis are vastly prevalent in nowadays occidental atheist societies full of dysfunctionnal families, so it's certainly not going to be the first nor the last time it happens. In fact, it happens everyday but most teens kill themselves without going on a rampage; the aggravating factor here was that his mother let him access her weapons which obviously werent secured enough, she also probably made him as depressed as herself leading him to a break down as kids that age arent supposed to support their parents psychological problems.
Growing atheism is why suicide rates are increasing both in north america and europe among teens AND adults. And to think there's an economic depression that's coming.
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Wrong again , basic house hold products which are widely available in any country can be used easily to create a bomb , you can't argue to the contrary
and again oversimplification , and not accurate. You put almost no thought into your childish post.
How easy is it too pick up a gun and shoot people, learning how to make an EFFECTIVE bomb from household products is difficult, something that takes planning and SKILL. Picking up a GUN and firing it on the other hand is the easiest thing in the world to do. Calling people childish because you don't agree with their opinion is the very reason people like you shouldn't own guns, you can attempt to denigrate others in you advocacy of gun ownership, but all it does is further prove why citizens shouldn't have access to such weapons, when people argue in such an offensive way and with a poor attitude, you know their is something wrong with them and their argument. If the government was saying you can no longer have access to food, water or medicine, I would understand the passion, but to get so reactionary over GUNS, an item that serves NO PURPOSE for the average citizen, it really is kind of crazy. Then again, I grew up in a culture were people DONT own GUNS, they don't feel deprived, they never talk about GUNS, they NEVER talk about regular MASSACRES happening in SCHOOLS, they NEVER lobby Government to OWN GUNS. Guns in general are a NON TOPIC, Nobody cares about them, so it does seem ODD that some people would become RAVING LUNATICS if you suggested they shouldn't OWN GUNS.
The people who are passionate about this issue are overly emotional, and not in a healthy way, they are often juvenile and selfish in their outlook, and other peoples welfare is the last thing they care about. It is possibly hard for you to see the forest through the trees as you have been raised in the middle of an extreme gun culture, but from someone who grew up in a place were people couldn't care less about guns, were schools don't need security and metal detectors and body searches etc. a place were their IS NO SUCH thing as mass killings in school-yards, it is incredibly ODD to deal with people who somehow IGNORE the reality of their CULTURE and continually promote a way of life that is unnecessary and kills many people. I think the question people need to ask themselves is WHY DO I WANT A GUN! is it because other people own guns? is it because you have some perverse sense of ENTITLEMENT?, or is it you are deeply INSECURE? whatever the reasons are, they are probably NOT HEALTHY!
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Newtown, CT
Newworld (C)onspiracy (T)heory
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Peter Lanza is a vice president and tax specialist at GE Energy Financial Services, is remarried and lives in Stamford. He also is registered a Republican and has a position in his church apparently.
And this is relevant how?
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http://www.businessinsider.com/connecticut-shooting-adam-lanza-2012-12
Another freak
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Peter Lanza is a vice president and tax specialist at GE Energy Financial Services, is remarried and lives in Stamford. He also is registered a Republican and has a position in his church apparently.
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1. Japan is not America nor does it have the land mass. It is a collection of tiny islands that has many police officers per square mile. This is not the case in the United States as I have noted earlier.
2. Japan also has a monoculture and people literally live on top of each other. The United States is NOTHING like this. Again, they have enough officers per square mile to cover the entire population as they live on top of each other.
3. You can`t compare the two countries at all, it makes no sense to do so.
We're talking gun control. The countries that have it have less deaths. Has nothing to do with land mass or living space. If that's the case more people would go nuts in Japan living in those conditions. Reason to much inbreeding in the U.S
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why do you suddenly pretend to care aanyways, i thought " kids were disgusting " ::)
What a weirdo.
Well, their losses wont be in vain as something will be done so it never happens again. Mankind as a whole -well, north america- will benefit from this tragedy.
Not sure i would still want to live if my kid was killed tho.
Now it's really important authorities reveal everything that led to creating such a monster in details. You ll see that he was left with his mother who was probably depressed/suicidal while his father rejected him / prefered older brother... older brother saying his young brother was "a nutcase" is a dead give away that the "family" was just completely shattered.
I have no interest in making children a part of my life, but that does not mean I do not care about them or wish to see any harm come to them or their parents.
I believe even you have a right to exist and should be protected from any harm and if I was ever in the position to save your life if I could, I would do so.
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And this is relevant how?
I was just providing information. You stated that you knew nothing about the father whereas I did.
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We're talking gun control. The countries that have it have less deaths. Has nothing to do with land mass or living space. If that's the case more people would go nuts in Japan living in those conditions. Reason to much inbreeding in the U.S
As I stated before, in Japan and in large American cities, the police are available at all times with a rapid response. The United States is mostly a rural country as far as number of cities and towns go. The police response could be 30 minutes an hour or more, if they even have a Sheriff or neighboring officer available to take the call.
If someone is breaking in your house and the fastest time that police officer could get there would be 45 minutes, what are you supposed to do? Die? Jeet Kun Do? Run?
Fuck that, I will shoot.
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America is not even in the top 20 of the world`s `murder capitals``, many countries have way more murders per ca-pita and many have gun control.
I live in Canada it is hard to get a gun permit down here for even a rifle and nearly impossible for a hand gun unless your field requires it, we have the strictest gun laws and for a while they were handing out 5 years in jail if you got caught with a gun and an additional year per bullet. Now every single murder that happened here with a gun (nearly 100 per year) happened by people that obtained guns in the black market so gun control means absolutely nothing.
I can get all kinds of guns on the black market including AK`s, it is not hard, anyone can. Gun control or not if someone wants to kill someone they will and guns are at every corner anywhere anyway.
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As I stated before, in Japan and in large American cities, the police are available at all times with a rapid response. The United States is mostly a rural country as far as number of cities and towns go. The police response could be 30 minutes an hour or more, if they even have a Sheriff or neighboring officer available to take the call.
If someone is breaking in your house and the fastest time that police officer could get there would be 45 minutes, what are you supposed to do? Die? Jeet Kun Do? Run?
Fuck that, I will shoot.
Im proud of you for your progression
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Im proud of you for your progression
No progression. This was always my stance on the matter. The facts are the facts.
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And this is relevant how?
It's relevant because as usual Uberman is tastelessly trying to shoehorn his idiotic agenda where it doesn't fit. his parents were loser atheists liberals..blah blah blah...um , no... his parents were affluent, religious republicans that had the kid in counseling.
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No progression. This was always my stance on the matter. The facts are the facts.
I thought you used to preach that you were anti violent, and if someone showed up at your door, you would just call the cops? What's with the sudden change of heart? Flip flopping? ???
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It's relevant because as usual Uberman is tastelessly trying to shoehorn his idiotic agenda where it doesn't fit. his parents were loser atheists liberals..blah blah blah...um , no... his parents were affluent, religious republicans that had the kid in counseling.
Lol..his parents were separated and his father started a new family with someone else leaving younger son with a depressed mother... Rings a bell genius? Do you even think before you write/talk.
With two egocentrical narcisstic fake "parents" like you and your new sex toy, both your daughter and hers are clearely going to end fucked up one way or another.
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I thought you used to preach that you were anti violent, and if someone showed up at your door, you would just call the cops? What's with the sudden change of heart? Flip flopping? ???
true anus has returned his coat ten times an hour on here lately on most topics, probably still trying to find himself.
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I thought you used to preach that you were anti violent, and if someone showed up at your door, you would just call the cops? What's with the sudden change of heart? Flip flopping? ???
I am certainly anti-violence which is why you need the utmost protection to prevent or stop it whether it be calling the cops or using your firearm.
I would never hesitate to defend myself AND call the cops. No flipping or flopping here at all or any change of heart.
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Lol..his parents were separated and his father started a new family with someone else leaving younger son with a depressed mother... Rings a bell genius? Do you even think before you write/talk.
With two egocentrical narcisstic fake "parents" like you and your new sex toy, both your daughter and hers are clearely going to end fucked up one way or another.
says the guy who gets "sucked dry/ fucked 4 times a week" LOLOLOL. do you even think when you write/talk?
and your father fucked you in the ass and gave you aids because he was addicted to heroin, and you have infected your make believe wife and children.
See, it's easy to make shit up moron ;)
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says the guy who gets "sucked dry/ fucked 4 times a week" LOLOLOL. do you even think when you write/talk?
and your father fucked you in the ass and gave you aids because he was addicted to heroin, and you have infected your make believe wife and children.
See, it's easy to make shit up moron ;)
(http://www.vibe.com/sites/vibe.com/files/styles/main_image/public/article_images/vibe-lil-wayne-same-damn-tune.jpeg)
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says the guy who gets "sucked dry/ fucked 4 times a week" LOLOLOL. do you even think when you write/talk?
and your father fucked you in the ass and gave you aids because he was addicted to heroin, and you have infected your make believe wife and children.
See, it's easy to make shit up moron ;)
except i didnt make up shit about you as most know it cause what i said is what you told us/bragged about genius. And sorry if you still dont have a satisfying sexual life with your new "girlfriend" , oh brother, what a serial loser.
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except i didnt make up shit about you as most know it cause what i said is what you told us/bragged about genius. And sorry if you still dont have a satisfying sexual life with your new "girlfriend" , oh brother, what a serial loser.
says the guy who works in a factory cleaning toilets, hahahahahaaaaaa
you know about one/tenth of the story and make false, retarded assumptions about the rest you dipshit, pretty much what you do in every post, you are a giant, aids infected asshole
and i'm done with you ..this thread ain't about what an asshole you are..we have plenty of other threads about that you delusional twat. ;)
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Ban guns ,arm everyone, blah , blah .............etc nothing is going to work
Random acts of senseless violence like this one are going to happen no matter what and there's nothing we (or the government ) can do to stop it .
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Ban guns ,arm everyone, blah , blah .............etc nothing is going to work
Random acts of senseless violence like this one are going to happen no matter what and there's nothing we (or the government ) can do to stop it .
Hah! You only have 10,023 post. I have 10,868 post.
That proves my point.
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Hah! You only have 10,023 post. I have 10,868 post.
That proves my point.
I agree
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On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault, suggests that victims in possession of firearms is 4.5 times more likely to be shot and 4.2 times more likely to be killed than those who were unarmed. In other words, during a crime, you are more likely to be killed when carrying a gun than if you were not carrying. carrying a weapon makes you more vulnerable, NOT LESS!
Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault - 2009 Study
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2008.143099 (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2008.143099)
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Ban guns ,arm everyone, blah , blah .............etc nothing is going to work
Random acts of senseless violence like this one are going to happen no matter what and there's nothing we (or the government ) can do to stop it .
He was a total social outcast which probably resulted in him going on a rampage. Not random at all.
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hold on, did this loser kill everyone then post on FACEBOOK??
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hold on, did this loser kill everyone then post on FACEBOOK??
Internets is serious bizniz
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He was a total social outcast which probably resulted in him going on a rampage. Not random at all.
It doesn't matter about his mental state/illness ,it's still a random act of violence.
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It doesn't matter about his mental state/illness ,it's still a random act of violence.
I don't see it that way. A criminal robs a bank, a specific bank. Why that bank when there are thousands of banks? It just happened to be that bank and it's not important, what is important is why.
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I don't see it that way. A criminal robs a bank, a specific bank. Why that bank when there are thousands of banks? It just happened to be that bank and it's not important, what is important is why.
I'm confused.
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John Malkovich.
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I don't see it that way. A criminal robs a bank, a specific bank. Why that bank when there are thousands of banks? It just happened to be that bank and it's not important, what is important is why.
Huh ???
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Huh ???
It was a metaphor or shit like that.
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Total failure. that's fucked up. a Metal detector , safety doors and an armed guard will fix that real quick. like an airlock. can't get in unless you are good to go
If a person wants to get in bad enough they will simply conceal their weapon, and whip it out and shoot the armed guard, shoot their way inside and get to the kids. Where there's a will, there's a way.
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che bringing wisdom to this thread
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Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
Guns are just a tool that people use to achieve their goals.
As someone else pointed out, gun control in this country will do nothing but take guns out of the innocents hands, as there are so many firearms in circulation, that the only people that would hand them over would be the law abiding citizens, you know, the ones not committing murder.
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Ban guns ,arm everyone, blah , blah .............etc nothing is going to work
Random acts of senseless violence like this one are going to happen no matter what and there's nothing we (or the government ) can do to stop it .
idiot ::)
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It doesn't matter about his mental state/illness ,it's still a random act of violence.
...and you are still an idiot
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Yes, but we U.S. citizens have "the right to bear arms" including semi-automatic assault weapons. Some people believe this is a right worth protecting regardless of how many innocent children and people die as a result of it.
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che bringing wisdom lunacy to this thread
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10,728... that still leaves about 300 million of us
:D
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Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
Guns are just a tool that people use to achieve their goals.
As someone else pointed out, gun control in this country will do nothing but take guns out of the innocents hands, as there are so many firearms in circulation, that the only people that would hand them over would be the law abiding citizens, you know, the ones not committing murder.
dumber than dirt
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10,728... that still leaves about 300 million of us
:D
What are you suggesting? Are you proposing we put more guns in the hands of wackos who kill innocent people and children to control population growth?
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If a person wants to get in bad enough they will simply conceal their weapon, and whip it out and shoot the armed guard, shoot their way inside and get to the kids. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Metal detectors. When I was student teaching in Baltimore, the school had it's own campus police, and everybody had ID, including me. And everybody went thru the metal detectors. They probably have the wands now. If you wanted to visit, you had to get permission and a pass, and of course you went thru the metal detector.
Now, did this stop things from happening outside the school? No, it didn't. On my first day of observation, there was a campus police officer being loaded into an ambulance.
Groink is right, most inner city schools have more security than suburban schools.
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One day historians will write books on this thread.
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Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
Guns are just a tool that people use to achieve their goals.
As someone else pointed out, gun control in this country will do nothing but take guns out of the innocents hands, as there are so many firearms in circulation, that the only people that would hand them over would be the law abiding citizens, you know, the ones not committing murder.
When people say 'Guns don't kill people', it sounds like the type of argument a retard would make. If weapons are not a problem, why does America worry about it's enemies developing weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons and long range missiles. Couldn't IRAN just say, NUKES don't kill people. It's absolutely absurd to suggest that a culture with a fetish for weapons that can kill many people in a short period of time is safer than a culture that doesn't worship deadly weapons and doesn't cultivate such a lifestyle. Owning a GUN makes you LESS Safe, not more so!
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dumber than dirt shit
truth
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When people say 'Guns don't kill people', it sounds like the type of argument a retard would make. If weapons are not a problem, why does America worry about it's enemies developing weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons and long range missiles. Couldn't IRAN just say, NUKES don't kill people. It's absolutely absurd to suggest that a culture with a fetish for weapons that can kill many people in a short period of time is safer than a culture that doesn't worship deadly weapons and doesn't cultivate such a lifestyle. Owning a GUN makes you LESS Safe, not more so!
Agreed, last time i checked, That's exactly what guns do, kill things
I guess drills don't drill holes either, LOL
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This is reality people , want your children protected at school? laws ain't gonna do it
Elementary school class in Israel.
Here in Australia, their is ZERO security in Schools, no weapons checks, no metal detectors, no body searches, no mass killings, ZERO fear of a child being gunned down at school. Australians find Americans bizarre how they let their school systems become an incredibly dangerous place for a child to go to. When you have decades and decades of continual mass shootings at schools and absolutely nothing changes with the legislature, you have serious issues, with both the people and the politicians. To get to a point were mass shootings of school children are to be expected and are a common occurrence, something has gone devastatingly wrong with your communities and your culture. It is sad that you have become conditioned and de-sensitised to this violence that you actually think it is REALITY! It could only BECOME a reality if the CULTURE and the PEOPLE allowed it too.
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I know what I am about to write is controversial. What happened today is more than tragic and I know everyone agrees. I am privileged to work in the public schools as a school psychologist which I have been assigned as for over ten years. I have seen the effects of past school shootings, the 9/11 generation of kids growing up, the war in the middle east, etc. What I know for certain is the amount of anxiety related symptoms I have seen rise over the past five years particularly is tremendous. I continue to be in meetings where parents buy their children violent video games as a reward (btw, these games allow children to practice killing ie halo). Many parents consider these harmless and do not monitor their kids exposure. Parents, as is their right, continue to purchase weapons/ammunition, which they do not keep locked up. Why is this happening? Why are guns, meant to kill humans not animals, sold publicly? Why, despite YEARS of public education, are these guns not under lock and key? Why, or how, do we adults consider it a fun game/entertainment to allow our children to practice killing people virtually, even when research advises otherwise?
Posted on FaceBook today by an acquaintance of mine.
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Posted on FaceBook today by an acquaintance of mine.
People never pay close attention...
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You cant compare Japan and the USA shear Land mass and population dont compare so of course crime is going to be greater in the USA.
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Here in Australia, their is ZERO security in Schools, no weapons checks, no metal detectors, no body searches, no mass killings, ZERO fear of a child being gunned down at school. Australians find Americans bizarre how they let their school systems become an incredibly dangerous place for a child to go to. When you have decades and decades of continual mass shootings at schools and absolutely nothing changes with the legislature, you have serious issues, with both the people and the politicians. To get to a point were mass shootings of school children are to be expected and are a common occurrence, something has gone devastatingly wrong with your communities and your culture. It is sad that you have become conditioned and de-sensitised to this violence that you actually think it is REALITY! It could only BECOME a reality if the CULTURE and the PEOPLE allowed it too.
Again Australia is NOT the U.S. stop thinking what works in your country would work in this one. Americans are violent and guns are means to that end , get rid of guns that means changes , it's the mentality of violence that needs to change , along with other factors.
300 millions gun in the U.S you think you can confiscate them all? you think banning them prevents people from getting them? coke , meth , heroin , etc are all banned yet people can still get them , see a pattern? ban guns what does that mean?
Stop acting like your country is the solution and you don't know what you're talking about , you don't. Your responses aren't very well thought out and are based on ignorance and sound bites and what works in your country
New laws wouldn't have prevented this
Banning guns wouldn't have prevented this
Being like your country wouldn't have prevented this
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you want to live like that?
Take a wild guess , of course not but desperate times call for desperate measures , what's the alternative? letting these people stroll in and have at it? nothing doing anything to protect child isn't the solution
all schools in the U.S. are gun-free zones , this didn't seem to matter to him , they thought they were doing something to protect the children , and they really weren't
I would hand over every gun I own if it meant this wouldn't ever happen again , but I'm smart enough to know that would change absolutely nothing.
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Agreed, last time i checked, That's exactly what guns do, kill things
I guess drills don't drill holes either, LOL
Really? perhaps all my guns didn't get the memo , I've owned guns since 1998 they never killed anyone.
Maybe they're waiting?
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Some of these comments are ridiculous. The reason you have so many more incidents like this in the US than anywhere else in the developed world, has nothing to with Americans being more violent or having more lunatics per capita or anything else. Its simply to do with the number of guns you have in circulation, nothing else.
I bet this kid has no violence in his history , probably a nerdy kid that never had a fight in his life. A kid with obvious mental issues like this, in Europe would simply not be able to get his hands on a gun or would find it very, very difficult. This kid just took his mum's one...That is the only difference.
The only way you will ever greatly reduce these incidents happening is when you greatly reduce the number of guns in your society.
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RIP
Damn!
so many fucking crazy american!
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historically, usa and australia are compareable, in particular the white population, both were sent to these places by force(kinda), both almost wiped out the original inhabitants.
both developed into big econimcal powers.
but in australia, this mass shootings dont happen.
i can see the argument of the perpertrators choosing schools as targets in the us, bc theyre gun free zones, though, thats a good point.
The aboringals and the N A's are two diff peoples, and the Euros who settled America for the most part rolled out on their own, and then their descendants started thinking for themselves, and created their own version of English, withou the accent, unlike Aussies. the NA landscape and enviroment is much harsher, which is a breeding ground for a certain mentality.
As ND said, we Americans are violent peoples, violence and "freedom" run thru our veins. You takaway our rights, we get violent, and we feel that "violence" is our right (sadly).
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The thing people aren't realising that the EASE of being able to kill someone when emotionally aroused. If it was difficult to access weapons such as guns or assault rifles, their is TIME put between the EMOTIONAL TRIGGER and a response. On maybe two occasions I have felt so angry, so fired up, that maybe, just maybe, if I knew a gun was handy, I may have used it. But that feeling was short lived and soon replaced by my normal reasonable emotional state. Every kid in America these days realises that if they want they can get a gun and go crazy, it is this EASE of access that is the problem, people do things when highly emotionally aroused that they would NEVER do when feeling calm, relaxed and in control, why make it easier for them to harm a great deal of other people for the sake of individuals owning a weapon for no reason. If you reason for owning a gun for protection, well the facts show that you are more likely to be killed when armed if you ARE A VICTIM of a crime. Armed people are more vulnerable, NOT LESS.
The gun nuts just wont face it, they have an obsession with dangerous weapons, they are the type of people who RESENT deeply being told what to do, even if it means they and their communities will be better off. Generally, a defiant personality type, anybody would think that the GUN NUTS would die and immediate painful death if they weren't able to own a gun, it's pretty pathetic that America has gotten to the point where they won't even sacrifice selfish wants and desires to make their communities safer and prevent children from being killed.
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How easy is it too pick up a gun and shoot people, learning how to make an EFFECTIVE bomb from household products is difficult, something that takes planning and SKILL. Picking up a GUN and firing it on the other hand is the easiest thing in the world to do. Calling people childish because you don't agree with their opinion is the very reason people like you shouldn't own guns, you can attempt to denigrate others in you advocacy of gun ownership, but all it does is further prove why citizens shouldn't have access to such weapons, when people argue in such an offensive way and with a poor attitude, you know their is something wrong with them and their argument. If the government was saying you can no longer have access to food, water or medicine, I would understand the passion, but to get so reactionary over GUNS, an item that serves NO PURPOSE for the average citizen, it really is kind of crazy. Then again, I grew up in a culture were people DONT own GUNS, they don't feel deprived, they never talk about GUNS, they NEVER talk about regular MASSACRES happening in SCHOOLS, they NEVER lobby Government to OWN GUNS. Guns in general are a NON TOPIC, Nobody cares about them, so it does seem ODD that some people would become RAVING LUNATICS if you suggested they shouldn't OWN GUNS.
The people who are passionate about this issue are overly emotional, and not in a healthy way, they are often juvenile and selfish in their outlook, and other peoples welfare is the last thing they care about. It is possibly hard for you to see the forest through the trees as you have been raised in the middle of an extreme gun culture, but from someone who grew up in a place were people couldn't care less about guns, were schools don't need security and metal detectors and body searches etc. a place were their IS NO SUCH thing as mass killings in school-yards, it is incredibly ODD to deal with people who somehow IGNORE the reality of their CULTURE and continually promote a way of life that is unnecessary and kills many people. I think the question people need to ask themselves is WHY DO I WANT A GUN! is it because other people own guns? is it because you have some perverse sense of ENTITLEMENT?, or is it you are deeply INSECURE? whatever the reasons are, they are probably NOT HEALTHY!
How easy is it too pick up a gun and shoot people, learning how to make an EFFECTIVE bomb from household products is difficult, something that takes planning and SKILL.
Spoken like a person who has never fired a gun , it takes skill to accurately fire a gun you wouldn't know this because you never have. It also takes skill and planning to carry out a plot to kill 26 people. You ban guns the means to kill 26 people changes and I explained exactly why & how
Picking up a GUN and firing it on the other hand is the easiest thing in the world to do
Again spoken like a person who never fired a gun in his life , don't talk on subjects you have no experience with.
Calling people childish because you don't agree with their opinion is the very reason people like you shouldn't own guns, you can attempt to denigrate others in you advocacy of gun ownership, but all it does is further prove why citizens shouldn't have access to such weapons, when people argue in such an offensive way and with a poor attitude, you know their is something wrong with them and their argument.
First of all I NEVER said you were childish because you didn't agree with my opinion. You post is childish because it's comes from ignorance and emotion and it's not well thought out. And since when is calling someone's post childish , offensive? ::)
If the government was saying you can no longer have access to food, water or medicine, I would understand the passion, but to get so reactionary over GUNS, an item that serves NO PURPOSE for the average citizen, it really is kind of crazy
Me calling you childish is offensive , yet you're calling me ' crazy ' isn't , hypocrite. I'm not so ' reactionary over guns ' that's you projecting. I'm smart enough to know new , laws , and banning them doesn't solve them problem. And I'm also smart enough to know what works in your country doesn't have anything to do with mine.
Firearms is part & parcel of The United States of America , and their ownership is protected under the Constitution , and has been since the beginning of this country. To claim they have " NO PURPOSE for the average citizen " is again , ignorant because you're talking on a subject you have NO experience with , and it's childish because you're making statements without putting any though into them
Then again, I grew up in a culture were people DONT own GUNS, they don't feel deprived, they never talk about GUNS, they NEVER talk about regular MASSACRES happening in SCHOOLS, they NEVER lobby Government to OWN GUNS. Guns in general are a NON TOPIC, Nobody cares about them, so it does seem ODD that some people would become RAVING LUNATICS if you suggested they shouldn't OWN GUNS.
Well thanks for admitting you don't know what you're talking about. Australia isn't the U.S . it's childish of you to think your solution is our solution and you have all the answers to a very complex question ( ignorance ) and stop projecting your view of gun owners as " RAVING LUNATICS " and it's not because someone suggests we shouldn't own guns ( more ignorance ) it has more to do with punishing the wrong people for someone else's actions , and infringing on rights of law-abiding citizens
We already learned banning things doesn't mean you can't get them and if you can do mass destruction without them , so prohibiting them from people who follow laws accomplishes nothing. Your idea of ' solutions ' isn't well thought out or accurate.
The people who are passionate about this issue are overly emotional, and not in a healthy way, they are often juvenile and selfish in their outlook, and other peoples welfare is the last thing they care about.
Calling people childish because you don't agree with their opinion is the very reason people like you shouldn't own guns, you can attempt to denigrate others in you advocacy of gun ownership, but all it does is further prove why citizens shouldn't have access to such weapons, when people argue in such an offensive way and with a poor attitude, you know their is something wrong with them and their argument.
Your statement hypocrite.
the people who are passionate about this are sick & tired of getting blamed for the actions of lunatics and tried of getting their constitutional rights trampled on
It is possibly hard for you to see the forest through the trees as you have been raised in the middle of an extreme gun culture, but from someone who grew up in a place were people couldn't care less about guns, were schools don't need security and metal detectors and body searches etc. a place were their IS NO SUCH thing as mass killings in school-yards, it is incredibly ODD to deal with people who somehow IGNORE the reality of their CULTURE and continually promote a way of life that is unnecessary and kills many people.
Do you want to continually point out how we should be like you? and you have the solution? Australia is NOT American , you solution doesn't solve anything it has nothing to do with us , stop projecting your ignorant point of view on us , America has ALWAYS been violent from the time the Pilgrims came here until now , America born in blood and knee deep it in and some ignorant kid from Australia has it all figured out ::)
I think the question people need to ask themselves is WHY DO I WANT A GUN! is it because other people own guns? is it because you have some perverse sense of ENTITLEMENT?, or is it you are deeply INSECURE? whatever the reasons are, they are probably NOT HEALTHY!
You project A LOT , I know exactly why I want guns instead of drawing your own conclusion why don't you ask? ( ignorance again ) I want guns because , America is a violent place and I want to protect myself & my family , I'm an enthusiast , and I'm exercising my Constitutional right. Now you have your answer and if that's not good enough for you I don't care because I owe no explanation to some kid from Australia who sits behind his PC thinking he has it all figured out
Guns are like abortions , you don't want one , don't get one. But don't make the mistake of telling me I can't not in this country at least. My guns are a non-issue I don't think of them and most of the time they sit around collecting dust , I get out to the range shoot some paper , bring them back home clean up and lock them up.
You want anyone who owns a gun to be a stark raving lunatic who is ready to blow up at the world , and it's not the reality regardless of what the mass media tells you. You have been programmed to see gun owners as one thing and have NO experience with them or the Americans you lament against. You're an ignorant kid who thinks you know what's best for Americans , and America you have a lot to learn kid.
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Spoken like a person who has never fired a gun , it takes skill to accurately fire a gun you wouldn't know this because you never have. It also takes skill and planning to carry out a plot to kill 26 people. You ban guns the means to kill 26 people changes and I explained exactly why & how
Again spoken like a person who never fired a gun in his life , don't talk on subjects you have no experience with.
First of all I NEVER said you were childish because you didn't agree with my opinion. You post is childish because it's comes from ignorance and emotion and it's not well thought out. And since when is calling someone's post childish , offensive? ::)
Me calling you childish is offensive , yet you're calling me ' crazy ' isn't , hypocrite. I'm not so ' reactionary over guns ' that's you projecting. I'm smart enough to know new , laws , and banning them doesn't solve them problem. And I'm also smart enough to know what works in your country doesn't have anything to do with mine.
Firearms is part & parcel of The United States of America , and their ownership is protected under the Constitution , and has been since the beginning of this country. To claim they have " NO PURPOSE for the average citizen " is again , ignorant because you're talking on a subject you have NO experience with , and it's childish because you're making statements without putting any though into them
Well thanks for admitting you don't know what you're talking about. Australia isn't the U.S . it's childish of you to think your solution is our solution and you have all the answers to a very complex question ( ignorance ) and stop projecting your view of gun owners as " RAVING LUNATICS " and it's not because someone suggests we shouldn't own guns ( more ignorance ) it has more to do with punishing the wrong people for someone else's actions , and infringing on rights of law-abiding citizens
We already learned banning things doesn't mean you can't get them and if you can do mass destruction without them , so prohibiting them from people who follow laws accomplishes nothing. Your idea of ' solutions ' isn't well thought out or accurate.
Calling people childish because you don't agree with their opinion is the very reason people like you shouldn't own guns, you can attempt to denigrate others in you advocacy of gun ownership, but all it does is further prove why citizens shouldn't have access to such weapons, when people argue in such an offensive way and with a poor attitude, you know their is something wrong with them and their argument.
Your statement hypocrite.
the people who are passionate about this are sick & tired of getting blamed for the actions of lunatics and tried of getting their constitutional rights trampled on
Do you want to continually point out how we should be like you? and you have the solution? Australia is NOT American , you solution doesn't solve anything it has nothing to do with us , stop projecting your ignorant point of view on us , America has ALWAYS been violent from the time the Pilgrims came here until now , America born in blood and knee deep it in and some ignorant kid from Australia has it all figured out ::)
You project A LOT , I know exactly why I want guns instead of drawing your own conclusion why don't you ask? ( ignorance again ) I want guns because , America is a violent place and I want to protect myself & my family , I'm an enthusiast , and I'm exercising my Constitutional right. Now you have your answer and if that's not good enough for you I don't care because I owe no explanation to some kid from Australia who sits behind his PC thinking he has it all figured out
Guns are like abortions , you don't want one , don't get one. But don't make the mistake of telling me I can't not in this country at least. My guns are a non-issue I don't think of them and most of the time they sit around collecting dust , I get out to the range shoot some paper , bring them back home clean up and lock them up.
You want anyone who owns a gun to be a stark raving lunatic who is ready to blow up at the world , and it's not the reality regardless of what the mass media tells you. You have been programmed to see gun owners as one thing and have NO experience with them or the Americans you lament against. You're an ignorant kid who thinks you know what's best for Americans , and America you have a lot to learn kid.
It takes no SKILL to fire a gun at close range and kill someone, you could teach a monkey too do it, here in Australia, Martin Bryant shot and killed 35 people and wounded 23 more, he was a complete Idiot, he had an IQ of 66, the equivalent of an 11 year old, was an amateur shooter with virtually no shooting experience whatsoever and was considered a very poor marksman, yet he still managed to kill 35 people. Stop pretending like their is SKILL involved in walking up to somebody and killing them at close range with a GUN. Also, Calling a 40 year old man a KID is kind of SAD and an insight into your mindset, and yes, you would have to be kind of CRAZY to insist on owning a gun, even though it serves no purpose and innocent people are regularly being killed so that right is upheld, it is a CRAZY attitude. I don't know why the GUN NUTS claim anti gun advocates are reacting from emotion when it is obvious who the EMOTIONAL ones are. I live in a COUNTRY were people like you are considered slightly sociopathic, deranged and unstable, I am on the winning side where I live, as the way I think, is the way the majority thinks. Also, the deaths of these children strike very little personal emotion within me, I live in another country, I don't know the children or the families and it is easy to IGNORE, but it also occurs to me, that, given the right circumstances the same problem could happen here if the GUN Nutters have their way, and ever since Legislation has become ever stricter, the GUN NUTS in this country also jump up and down the same way the Gun NUTS in your country do.
You are right, I don't own a GUN, I DON'T want to own a GUN, I don't feel a pressing need to OWN a GUN, and I DON'T walk around feeling in DANGER because I DON'T OWN a GUN. Gun Nutters always seem AFRAID, INSECURE and deeply traumatised in some way, the very antithesis of a CALM, PEACEFUL and KIND person, I actually feel sorry for them, to have to suffer from such overt anxiety must be such a burden, it is unfortunate that owning GUNS actually seems to make them even more uptight and DISTURBED. You admit to wanting a GUN for protection when statistics show you ARE LESS SAFE if you are targeted as a VICTIM of a crime, owning a GUN makes you more likely to be KILLED or injured, not less SO.
If the GUN NUTTERS were like, I don't need to own a GUN, and if they are banned I will just find something else to prop up my deficient personality and find a way to deal with my anxiety, it's no BIG DEAL, then I am sure the majority of people would go, see, people who are attracted to Guns are NORMAL, no problem there, but they don't they react like spoiled children, reacting as if someone is threatening to remove their testicles when GUN Controls are suggested, it is the very reaction by GUN NUTTERS to the suggestion of GUN CONTROL that is so worrying to those who aren't obsessed with the notion of owning a GUN. It is this obsessive attitude, the same one an infant displays when their PACIFIER is removed from their mouth, that Narcissistic RAGE and the resulting temper tantrum, you know the one, I think you might know it as THE DUMMY SPIT, the behaviour that sees the parent give the child their pacifier back to prevent the outburst. That's what we have know, a juvenile, self centred public who are pacified by owning GUNS and threaten to SPIT THE DUMMY every-time someone threatens to take away their GUN. So SAD really.
It is sad that you believe the things you are ENTHUSED by are more important to you than the welfare of innocent children. If I thought any of the things I enjoyed as a Hobby were in part responsible for the unimaginable suffering of innocent children, I would gladly give them up in the blink of an eye. But then again, I am not so obsessed by anything that I would be unable to find another hobby less likely to be implicated in the suffering of others. It's the obsessional nature of Gun Nutters that is the most frightening.
Regulating things isn't to punish the responsible people, it's to reduce harm to those who lack the maturity or the responsibility to handle something that poses a significant risk to other people. It is an overt sign of narcissism that somebody would consider measures taken to ensure the safety and well being of a society is done to punish them personally.
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Really? perhaps all my guns didn't get the memo , I've owned guns since 1998 they never killed anyone.
Maybe they're waiting?
really, so what happens when you point one at somebody and pull the trigger....flowers come out of the barrel?
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It takes no SKILL to fire a gun at close range and kill someone, you could teach a monkey too do it, here in Australia, Martin Bryant shot and killed 35 people and wounded 23 more, he was a complete Idiot, he had an IQ of 66, the equivalent of an 11 year old, was an amateur shooter with virtually no shooting experience whatsoever and was considered a very poor marksman, yet he still managed to kill 35 people. Stop pretending like their is SKILL involved in walking up to somebody and killing them at close range with a GUN. Also, Calling a 40 year old man a KID is kind of SAD and an insight into your mindset, and yes, you would have to be kind of CRAZY to insist on owning a gun, even though it serves no purpose and innocent people are regularly being killed so that right is upheld, it is a CRAZY attitude. I don't know why the GUN NUTS claim anti gun advocates are reacting from emotion when it is obvious who the EMOTIONAL ones are. I live in a COUNTRY were people like you are considered slightly sociopathic, deranged and unstable, I am on the winning side where I live, as the way I think, is the way the majority thinks. Also, the deaths of these children strike very little personal emotion within me, I live in another country, I don't know the children or the families and it is easy to IGNORE, but it also occurs to me, that, given the right circumstances the same problem could happen here if the GUN Nutters have their way, and ever since Legislation has become ever stricter, the GUN NUTS in this country also jump up and down the same way the Gun NUTS in your country do.
You are right, I don't own a GUN, I DON'T want to own a GUN, I don't feel a pressing need to OWN a GUN, and I DON'T walk around feeling in DANGER because I DON'T OWN a GUN. Gun Nutters always seem AFRAID, INSECURE and deeply traumatised in some way, the very antithesis of a CALM, PEACEFUL and KIND person, I actually feel sorry for them, to have to suffer from such overt anxiety must be such a burden, it is unfortunate that owning GUNS actually seems to make them even more uptight and DISTURBED. You admit to wanting a GUN for protection when statistics show you ARE LESS SAFE if you are targeted as a VICTIM of a crime, owning a GUN makes you more likely to be KILLED or injured, not less SO.
If the GUN NUTTERS were like, I don't need to own a GUN, and if they are banned I will just find something else to prop up my deficient personality and find a way to deal with my anxiety, it's no BIG DEAL, then I am sure the majority of people would go, see, people who are attracted to Guns are NORMAL, no problem there, but they don't they react like spoiled children, reacting as if someone is threatening to remove their testicles when GUN Controls are suggested, it is the very reaction by GUN NUTTERS to the suggestion of GUN CONTROL that is so worrying to those who aren't obsessed with the notion of owning a GUN. It is this obsessive attitude, the same one an infant displays when their PACIFIER is removed from their mouth, that Narcissistic RAGE and the resulting temper tantrum, you know the one, I think you might know it as THE DUMMY SPIT, the behaviour that sees the parent give the child their pacifier back to prevent the outburst. That's what we have know, a juvenile, self centred public who are pacified by owning GUNS and threaten to SPIT THE DUMMY every-time someone threatens to take away their GUN. So SAD really.
It is sad that you believe the things you are ENTHUSED by are more important to you than the welfare of innocent children. If I thought any of the things I enjoyed as a Hobby were in part responsible for the unimaginable suffering of innocent children, I would gladly give them up in the blink of an eye. But then again, I am not so obsessed by anything that I would be unable to find another hobby less likely to be implicated in the suffering of others. It's the obsessional nature of Gun Nutters that is the most frightening.
Regulating things isn't to punish the responsible people, it's to reduce harm to those who lack the maturity or the responsibility to handle something that poses a significant risk to other people. It is an overt sign of narcissism that somebody would consider measures taken to ensure the safety and well being of a society is done to punish them personally.
It takes no SKILL to fire a gun at close range and kill someone, you could teach a monkey too do it, here in Australia, Martin Bryant shot and killed 35 people and wounded 23 more, he was a complete Idiot, he had an IQ of 66, the equivalent of an 11 year old, was an amateur shooter with virtually no shooting experience whatsoever and was considered a very poor marksman, yet he still managed to kill 35 people.
Now you're changing it to it takes no skill at close range , people who commit these murders have the advantage of a large group of people and the element of surprise , however you claimed it takes no skill which isn't true but my original point stands , if it wasn't guns it would be bombs or Molotov cocktails, firearms are a means to the dectructive end ban them lunatics will introduce a new means
Also, Calling a 40 year old man a KID is kind of SAD and an insight into your mindset, and yes, you would have to be kind of CRAZY to insist on owning a gun, even though it serves no purpose and innocent people are regularly being killed so that right is upheld, it is a CRAZY attitude.
You're 40? don't act like it :-\ again you are flat out wrong in thinking owing a firearm serves no purpose , hunting , target shooting , personal defense , collection , firearms serve a lot of purposes. Innocent people would still be getting killed in this country if all firearms magically disappeared , it's childish to blame and inanimate object when the problem is the one wielding it
I don't know why the GUN NUTS claim anti gun advocates are reacting from emotion when it is obvious who the EMOTIONAL ones are.
Wrong again and why? You're only screaming about guns and gun control AFTER something like this happens , not before hand. Blaming inanimate objects for the actions of a lunatic is emotional and irrational , claiming this wouldn't happen if no guns existed is an oversimplification
I live in a COUNTRY were people like you are considered slightly sociopathic, deranged and unstable, I am on the winning side where I live, as the way I think, is the way the majority thinks.
Wow great response ::) , where are you? On an American website lamenting on what's best for America. One of the dumbest arguments put forth by anyone on here and that says a lot , you really need to learn how to formulate an argument because this is pathetic.
Also, the deaths of these children strike very little personal emotion within me, I live in another country, I don't know the children or the families and it is easy to IGNORE, but it also occurs to me, that, given the right circumstances the same problem could happen here if the GUN Nutters have their way, and ever since Legislation has become ever stricter, the GUN NUTS in this country also jump up and down the same way the Gun NUTS in your country do.
So these kids mean nothing to you , why are you here? trolling? pushing your anti-American vitriol? like I said , don't like guns , don't get one , telling someone else that they can't have the means to protect themselves is wrong.
Keep worrying about America your fixation is just as unhealthy as the GUN NUTS you lament about
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It takes no SKILL to fire a gun at close range and kill someone, you could teach a monkey too do it, here in Australia, Martin Bryant shot and killed 35 people and wounded 23 more, he was a complete Idiot, he had an IQ of 66, the equivalent of an 11 year old, was an amateur shooter with virtually no shooting experience whatsoever and was considered a very poor marksman, yet he still managed to kill 35 people. Stop pretending like their is SKILL involved in walking up to somebody and killing them at close range with a GUN. Also, Calling a 40 year old man a KID is kind of SAD and an insight into your mindset, and yes, you would have to be kind of CRAZY to insist on owning a gun, even though it serves no purpose and innocent people are regularly being killed so that right is upheld, it is a CRAZY attitude. I don't know why the GUN NUTS claim anti gun advocates are reacting from emotion when it is obvious who the EMOTIONAL ones are. I live in a COUNTRY were people like you are considered slightly sociopathic, deranged and unstable, I am on the winning side where I live, as the way I think, is the way the majority thinks. Also, the deaths of these children strike very little personal emotion within me, I live in another country, I don't know the children or the families and it is easy to IGNORE, but it also occurs to me, that, given the right circumstances the same problem could happen here if the GUN Nutters have their way, and ever since Legislation has become ever stricter, the GUN NUTS in this country also jump up and down the same way the Gun NUTS in your country do.
You are right, I don't own a GUN, I DON'T want to own a GUN, I don't feel a pressing need to OWN a GUN, and I DON'T walk around feeling in DANGER because I DON'T OWN a GUN. Gun Nutters always seem AFRAID, INSECURE and deeply traumatised in some way, the very antithesis of a CALM, PEACEFUL and KIND person, I actually feel sorry for them, to have to suffer from such overt anxiety must be such a burden, it is unfortunate that owning GUNS actually seems to make them even more uptight and DISTURBED. You admit to wanting a GUN for protection when statistics show you ARE LESS SAFE if you are targeted as a VICTIM of a crime, owning a GUN makes you more likely to be KILLED or injured, not less SO.
If the GUN NUTTERS were like, I don't need to own a GUN, and if they are banned I will just find something else to prop up my deficient personality and find a way to deal with my anxiety, it's no BIG DEAL, then I am sure the majority of people would go, see, people who are attracted to Guns are NORMAL, no problem there, but they don't they react like spoiled children, reacting as if someone is threatening to remove their testicles when GUN Controls are suggested, it is the very reaction by GUN NUTTERS to the suggestion of GUN CONTROL that is so worrying to those who aren't obsessed with the notion of owning a GUN. It is this obsessive attitude, the same one an infant displays when their PACIFIER is removed from their mouth, that Narcissistic RAGE and the resulting temper tantrum, you know the one, I think you might know it as THE DUMMY SPIT, the behaviour that sees the parent give the child their pacifier back to prevent the outburst. That's what we have know, a juvenile, self centred public who are pacified by owning GUNS and threaten to SPIT THE DUMMY every-time someone threatens to take away their GUN. So SAD really.
It is sad that you believe the things you are ENTHUSED by are more important to you than the welfare of innocent children. If I thought any of the things I enjoyed as a Hobby were in part responsible for the unimaginable suffering of innocent children, I would gladly give them up in the blink of an eye. But then again, I am not so obsessed by anything that I would be unable to find another hobby less likely to be implicated in the suffering of others. It's the obsessional nature of Gun Nutters that is the most frightening.
Regulating things isn't to punish the responsible people, it's to reduce harm to those who lack the maturity or the responsibility to handle something that poses a significant risk to other people. It is an overt sign of narcissism that somebody would consider measures taken to ensure the safety and well being of a society is done to punish them personally.
You should take a look at this book. Turn out there is good evidence that most humans have a built in psychological resistance to actually killing other humans. The only people who seem to lack this innate ability are either psychopaths or the mentally ill. So no, its not as easy as picking up a gun and aiming it at other people and squeezing the trigger because most sane normal people will never be able to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Killing:_The_Psychological_Cost_ of_Learning_to_Kill_in_W ar_and_Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Killing:_The_Psychological_Cost_of_Learning_to_Kill_in_War_and_Society)
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really, so what happens when you point one at somebody and pull the trigger....flowers come out of the barrel?
Key word when YOU point it at somebody and pull the trigger and depending on the state of the firearm it rangers from nothing happening when I pull the trigger and a projectile existing the barrel all contingent on human desire
Again my guns never killed anyone , wanna keep blaming the object instead of the person using it?
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Key word when YOU point it at somebody and pull the trigger and depending on the state of the firearm it rangers from nothing happening when I pull the trigger and a projectile existing the barrel all contingent on human desire
Again my guns never killed anyone , wanna keep blaming the object instead of the person using it?
ok, hold your finger out and go "bang"...anything happen?
the "object" has but ONE purpose in this world, to kill. if guns don't kill people let's take them away from armies...they are just "objects".....LOLOLOL
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ok, hold your finger out and go "bang"...anything happen?
the "object" has but ONE purpose in this world, to kill. if guns don't kill people let's take them away from armies...they are just "objects".....LOLOLOL
Stop trying to remove the human component from the killing part. and wrong the ' object ' doesn't have ONE purpose , it has multiple ones and they are contingent of the human desire , you can choose to shoot paper , steel plates , animals , or humans , and depending on the human that's not a bad thing
Again I've owned firearms since 1998 and they never killed anyone , I wonder why.
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Stop trying to remove the human component from the killing part. and wrong the ' object ' doesn't have ONE purpose , it has multiple ones and they are contingent of the human desire , you can choose to shoot paper , steel plates , animals , or humans , and depending on the human that's not a bad thing
Again I've owned firearms since 1998 and they never killed anyone , I wonder why.
Sure when you stop referring to guns like they are a fucking toaster.
Of course there is a human element, i never said there wasn't, but sorry i'm not buying that guns are our warm and fuzzy friends, they are WEAPONS.... built to kill things, not shoot paper targets, spare me
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Sure when you stop referring to guns like they are a fucking toaster.
Of course there is a human element, i never said there wasn't, but sorry i'm not buying that guns are our warm and fuzzy friends, they are WEAPONS.... built to kill things, not shoot paper targets, spare me
Guns are a tool and nothing more. And regardless of what you claim they serve more than one purpose. 300 million guns in this country a vast majority aren't being used to ' kill things '
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Guns are a tool and nothing more. And regardless of what you claim they serve more than one purpose. 300 million guns in this country a vast majority aren't being used to ' kill things '
Let's not forget the gun industry itself, which greases a lot of political wheels with a lot of cash.
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Let's not forget the gun industry itself, which greases a lot of political wheels with a lot of cash.
Let's not forget any self-serving industry in this country which do the exact same thing.
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Let's not forget any self-serving industry in this country which do the exact same thing.
Sure, but most industries don't have PR problems with violent death incidents on a regular basis. ;)
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Sure, but most industries don't have PR problems with violent death incidents on a regular basis. ;)
So the gun industry is to blame for the acts of lunatics? ???
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Someone is breaking in your house and the nearest Law Enforcement officer is 20 miles away if he is not already on a call. What are you supposed to do? ???
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Sure, but most industries don't have PR problems with violent death incidents on a regular basis. ;)
Booze results in more deaths yet where are the liberal pussies and pansies screaming about that.
According to typical liberal wheenie - ban guns legalize drugs.
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Someone is breaking in your house and the nearest Law Enforcement officer is 20 miles away if he is not already on a call. What are you supposed to do? ???
Sing kumbaya.
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Let's not forget the gun industry itself, which greases a lot of political wheels with a lot of cash.
They shouldn`t even be forced to do so since we do have a 2nd amendment in place. It is a total waste of money for sure.
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the NA landscape and enviroment is much harsher,
you need to check up on Geography
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Someone is breaking in your house and the nearest Law Enforcement officer is 20 miles away if he is not already on a call. What are you supposed to do? ???
You cower in the corner and hope for the best. I don't mind people who don't want to own a gun , but to say I can't , seriously
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So the gun industry is to blame for the acts of lunatics? ???
Ouch. That step must have hurt.
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Sing kumbaya.
These people calling for extreme gun control have no idea what that would be like as most live on top of each other in cities. When the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away, relying on them to stop a perpetrator is just insane. The majority of towns and cities in the United States are in rural areas and this requires that they are able to protect themselves since Law Enforcement is not going to be able to do so.
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Key word when YOU point it at somebody and pull the trigger and depending on the state of the firearm it rangers from nothing happening when I pull the trigger and a projectile existing the barrel all contingent on human desire
Again my guns never killed anyone , wanna keep blaming the object instead of the person using it?
So we live in a world were most folks don't have enough self control to not eat a twinkie yet were suppose to have some magical ability with firearms.
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These people calling for extreme gun control have no idea what that would be like as most live on top of each other in cities. When the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away, relying on them to stop a perpetrator is just insane. The majority of towns and cities in the United States are in rural areas and this requires that they are able to protect themselves since Law Enforcement is not going to be able to do so.
More ghetto savages die every weekend across USA and these pansies say nothing at all. Guess why?
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So we live in a world were most folks don't have enough self control to not eat a twinkie yet were suppose to have some magical ability with firearms.
Ban guns.
Legalize drugs.
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This
''Mass killers tend to be profoundly frustrated and despondent over life's disappointments, isolated from family and friends who might be in a position to provide comfort and support, and see themselves as the victim of undeserved mistreatment and unfairness. For them, the act of murder against certain people seen as responsible for their misfortune, if not against a corrupt society in general, is justified. Successful and fulfilled people, by contrast, have little need for vengeance or reason to wreak havoc in such a dramatic and public fashion.
Mass murderers often reserve their last deadly round for themselves or stand ready to be killed by police at the scene. For many, especially older assailants who have endured long years of perceived mistreatment, life on Earth becomes meaningless. They are prepared to die so long as they first achieve sufficient payback by becoming the powerful one who gets to dispense the misery. Yet even those assailants who, like the accused shooter in Colorado, willingly surrender do so knowing that they had successfully accomplished their mission: not only have they shared the pain, but they established themselves as a fearsome and dominant force in the eyes of the world.
So if there is a common pattern to these shootings and those responsible for the carnage, what does that suggest about predictability and prevention? Unfortunately, not much is readily available to help reduce the risk.
The difficult and sad truth is that thousands upon thousands of Americans share these same characteristics. There is a vast pool of people who fail to reach their ambitions, blame others or "the system" for their troubles, and have inadequate social support, yet very few will pick up a gun in response. Although the mass killer profile is predictable, their exact identifies are not. Mass murderers often exhibit telltale warning signs in their behavior or words, but these become clear only with hindsight. These so-called "red flags" are actually yellow ones that turn red only after the bloodletting.
Tighter controls on firearms licensing and sales would help to curtail our nation's high rate of gun violence, but not neccessarily this extreme form of violence. The fact is that most mass murderers, despite their readiness for violence and psychological impairment, do not have official records of criminality or mental illness that would disqualify them from gun ownership.''
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These people calling for extreme gun control have no idea what that would be like as most live on top of each other in cities. When the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away, relying on them to stop a perpetrator is just insane. The majority of towns and cities in the United States are in rural areas and this requires that they are able to protect themselves since Law Enforcement is not going to be able to do so.
Yes because the cry rate is so insane in rural areas. ::)
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Yes because the cry rate is so insane in rural areas. ::)
So then it's ok to have a gun in a crime infested city to defend yourself correct?
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You cower in the corner and hope for the best. I don't mind people who don't want to own a gun , but to say I can't , seriously
Exactly.
I read a story on reddit a few weeks ago about 2 armed individuals breaking into a fellows house out in Wyoming. He posted that he heard the crashing glass and had less than two minutes to react as they were charging up the stairs while firing guns. He had two daughters, his wife and himself all upstairs where the bedrooms were located went into the hallway with an AR-15 and a pistol and laid on the ground, waiting for them to reach the top of the stairs. He fired as many rounds as he could as soon as they were in view and stopped both dead. He said had he not reacted as fast as he did and the fact that he had adequate protection, he and his family would have surely been murdered/raped/tortured.
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So then it's ok to have a gun in a crime infested city to defend yourself correct?
I'm canadian I could give a fuck what you folk do with your guns, just say you hate niggas, and move on.
Just don't try using some bullshit argument on why having them makes sense.
This is what you got on your side, the fact that it is simply too hard to get rid of them. That's it every other nonsense you get on with is just idiotic posturing.
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Yes because the cry rate is so insane in rural areas. ::)
It can be. However, it doesn`t have to be. It only takes a criminal one time to kill you.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4699332/newtown-school-gunman-adam-lanza-a-loner.html
Blame the video games.
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Perhaps an interesting read to some of you
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1 (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1)
In the fierce debate that always follows the latest mass shooting, it's an argument you hear frequently from gun rights promoters: If only more people were armed, there would be a better chance of stopping these terrible events. This has plausibility problems—what are the odds that, say, a moviegoer with a pack of Twizzlers in one pocket and a Glock in the other would be mentally prepared, properly positioned, and skilled enough to take out a body-armored assailant in a smoke- and panic-filled theater? But whether you believe that would happen is ultimately a matter of theory and speculation. Instead, let's look at some facts gathered in a two-month investigation by Mother Jones.
In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. Moreover, we found that the rate of mass shootings has increased in recent years—at a time when America has been flooded with millions of additional firearms and a barrage of new laws has made it easier than ever to carry them in public. And in recent rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, they not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.
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So we live in a world were most folks don't have enough self control to not eat a twinkie yet were suppose to have some magical ability with firearms.
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Yes, because by that rationale nobody should be able to pilot a 4000 pound potential weapon at speeds of 70 miles per hour in public because we know they can`t control their value meal addiction.
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It can be. However, it doesn`t have to be. It only takes a criminal one time to kill you.
Again these paranoid arguments are childish at best. Your trying to turn this into some quasi spiritual philosophical religious issue, where every person has the right to decide on life and death matters as a matter of fact. The reality is this concept is applied to no other aspect of our society.
The reality is if america had sound gun control the homicide and violent crime rate would be much lower.
Granted it's impossible when you have a defenseless border with spickyco, nevertheless it is the issue.
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So Much fail it's not even funny in that excerpt.
Perhaps an interesting read to some of you
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1 (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1)
In the fierce debate that always follows the latest mass shooting, it's an argument you hear frequently from gun rights promoters: If only more people were armed, there would be a better chance of stopping these terrible events. This has plausibility problems—what are the odds that, say, a moviegoer with a pack of Twizzlers in one pocket and a Glock in the other would be mentally prepared, properly positioned, and skilled enough to take out a body-armored assailant in a smoke- and panic-filled theater? But whether you believe that would happen is ultimately a matter of theory and speculation. Instead, let's look at some facts gathered in a two-month investigation by Mother Jones.
In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. Moreover, we found that the rate of mass shootings has increased in recent years—at a time when America has been flooded with millions of additional firearms and a barrage of new laws has made it easier than ever to carry them in public. And in recent rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, they not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.
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Perhaps an interesting read to some of you
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1 (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1)
In the fierce debate that always follows the latest mass shooting, it's an argument you hear frequently from gun rights promoters: If only more people were armed, there would be a better chance of stopping these terrible events. This has plausibility problems—what are the odds that, say, a moviegoer with a pack of Twizzlers in one pocket and a Glock in the other would be mentally prepared, properly positioned, and skilled enough to take out a body-armored assailant in a smoke- and panic-filled theater? But whether you believe that would happen is ultimately a matter of theory and speculation. Instead, let's look at some facts gathered in a two-month investigation by Mother Jones.
In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. Moreover, we found that the rate of mass shootings has increased in recent years—at a time when America has been flooded with millions of additional firearms and a barrage of new laws has made it easier than ever to carry them in public. And in recent rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, they not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.
Thats not the point at all. These "mass shootings" are a non-issue.
Here is the problem, people want to use events such as mass killing to legislate restrictions on law abiding gun owners based on nonsensical reasoning. Some nut in Connecticut going on a rampage has nothing to do with someone in say, Alabama wanting to protect their property and family from potential threats.
I can give you tons of cases where perpetrators have been stopped by civilians wielding guns. Want me to start?
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So Much fail it's not even funny in that excerpt.
I can't say I know enough about american gun politics and statistics to pass judgement, so I'd be curios to hear why think that article is full of fail?
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Yes, because by that rationale nobody should be able to pilot a 4000 pound potential weapon at speeds of 70 miles per hour in public because we know they can`t control their value meal addiction.
First off driving has a hugely practical value to society that would be impossible ignore. There aren't many countries in the world without cars.
Second you need a liscenes and this is highly regulated by the police.
Third I'm authoritarian I actually believe the laws on cars should be much stricter. The death tole with cars is fucking insane.
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Again these paranoid arguments are childish at best. Your trying to turn this into some quasi spiritual philosophical religious issue, where every person has the right to decide on life and death matters as a matter of fact. The reality is this concept is applied to no other aspect of our society.
The reality is if america had sound gun control the homicide and violent crime rate would be much lower.
Granted it's impossible when you have a defenseless border with spickyco, nevertheless it is the issue.
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Thats not the point at all. These "mass shootings" are a non-issue.
Here is the problem, people want to use events such as mass killing to legislate restrictions on law abiding gun owners based on nonsensical reasoning. Some nut in Connecticut going on a rampage has nothing to do with someone in say, Alabama wanting to protect their property and family from potential threats.
I can give you tons of cases where perpetrators have been stopped by civilians wielding guns. Want me to start?
I'd love to see that actually. I don't doubt you at all that there are plenty of cases where guns have come in handy. Just don't post individual anecdotes(which can be done by any side of the argument) as it's not very illuminating, I'd be more interested in overall statistics when it comes to guns vs no guns.
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Thats not the point at all. These "mass shootings" are a non-issue.
Here is the problem, people want to use events such as mass killing to legislate restrictions on law abiding gun owners based on nonsensical reasoning. Some nut in Connecticut going on a rampage has nothing to do with someone in say, Alabama wanting to protect their property and family from potential threats.
I can give you tons of cases where perpetrators have been stopped by civilians wielding guns. Want me to start?
This is where your trying to turn it into some quasi religious system, where the right to shoot over shawdows the needs of society.
These mass killings are only the tip of the iceberg.
It don't just making shootings more commons, it makes regular crimes like home invasions much more violent.
It just puts the criminal and the citizen in a world that is much more intense, meaning people escalate the gambles.
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I'd love to see that actually. I don't doubt you at all that there are plenty of cases where guns have come in handy. Just don't post individual anecdotes(which can be done by any side of the argument) as it's not very illuminating, I'd be more interested in overall statistics when it comes to guns vs no guns.
But that is his argument that because some random folk do actually do things right it outweights the fact that so many more do things wrong.
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http://www.newsmax.com/Hirsen/Angelina-Jolie/2008/06/02/id/323896
Angelina Jolie Touts Gun Ownership
“I bought original, real guns of the type we used in ‘Tomb Raider’ for security. Brad and I are not against having a gun in the house, and we do have one,” Jolie tells the U.K. Daily Mail.
In case you’re wondering whether a Malibu celeb would really use a firearm for self-defense, Jolie supplies the answer: “Yes, I'd be able to use it if I had to. I could handle myself. I think there are certain combat skills that would come out.
“If anybody comes into my home and tries to hurt my kids, I've no problem shooting them,”
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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/entertainment/brad-pitt-buying-angelina-jolie-gun-range
Brad Pitt Buying Angelina Jolie a Gun Range
Mon, September 03, 2012
Brad Pitt has splashed out $250,000 on a gun range as a wedding gift for Angelina Jolie.
The couple are getting married at their French estate Miraval later this year and Brad installed the range and armory for his future bride.
A source told The Sun newspaper, “Brad had a lot to live up with his wedding gift considering Angelina exchanged vials of blood with her ex-husband Billy-Bob Thornton.
“But Ange clearly finds shooting an aphrodisiac. When she and Brad were around weapons on the set of 2005′s ‘Mr & Mrs Smith’ they ended up together.”
The insider adds, “And by letting Angelina de-stress at the range, he’s less likely to get earache indoors. There’s a lot to be said for that when you have six kids.”
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie became engaged in April of this year after dating for seven years. The couple admits their six children has been pressuring them to get married.
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You're so predictable Adonis. You can flood the thread with anecdotes all you want, but it still won't prove your point. All you're doing is making people scroll through the thread without reading anything.
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You're so predictable Adonis. You can flood the thread with anecdotes all you want, but it still won't prove your point. All you're doing is making people scroll through the thread without reading anything.
Sssshhhhhh he's trying to troll.
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You're so predictable Adonis. You can flood the thread with anecdotes all you want, but it still won't prove your point. All you're doing is making people scroll through the thread without reading anything.
You can`t boil it down to one statistic sorry. Someone breaks into your house, which can happen at anytime, you need to have the right to end them. Its as simple as that. What more do you want to see or "know"?
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Even if we banned guns tommorow where are all the existing guns going to go?
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You can`t boil it down to one statistic sorry. Someone breaks into your house, which can happen at anytime, you need to have the right to end them. Its as simple as that. What more do you want to see or "know"?
I'm curios to find out if nation wide gun ownership is helpful in preventing or stopping crimes or if it's counterproductive. We can talk about hypothetical situations all day long but it won't make us any wiser about America today.
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Even if we banned guns tommorow where are all the existing guns going to go?
My bunker ???
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You can`t boil it down to one statistic sorry. Someone breaks into your house, which can happen at anytime, you need to have the right to end them. Its as simple as that. What more do you want to see or "know"?
this is your quasi religious argument again. I really don't care if you get killed. What I care about is society as a whole.
The odds of me getting fucked up in a home invasion get so much higher the second I goto a place with more guns.
This is why your arguments are so laughable, the level of saftey I have where I live compared to yours is just ironic.
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Even if we banned guns tommorow where are all the existing guns going to go?
As I said, thats the one argument you got stick to that one. That is the only thing you got.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/celebrity-gun-owners-license_n_1557203.html
Celebrity Gun Owners and Carriers
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Even if we banned guns tommorow where are all the existing guns going to go?
It just might be that it's way too late for that now. Even if ALL guns were banned tomorrow, it would probably take a very, very long time before it has any effect since there already are so many guns in circulation. It's pretty obvious by now that restricting gun ownership doesn't really do much at this point. The problem America is facing seems to go deeper than that.
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I'm curios to find out if nation wide gun ownership is helpful in preventing or stopping crimes or if it's counterproductive. We can talk about hypothetical situations all day long but it won't make us any wiser about America today.
How can you measure people NOT breaking into houses or a particular area because they KNOW that nearly everyone has a gun and therefore they don`t dare break in?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/celebrity-gun-owners-license_n_1557203.html
I'm taking your attempt to sidetrack the thread with anecdotes to mean we got you beat.
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It just might be that it's way too late for that now. Even if ALL guns were banned tomorrow, it would probably take a very, very long time before it has any effect since there already are so many guns in circulation. It's pretty obvious by now that restricting gun ownership doesn't really do much at this point. The problem America is facing seems to go deeper than that.
What is someone to do if they live in a rural area and the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away and somebody is bashing the door in?
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How can you measure people NOT breaking into houses or a particular area because they KNOW that nearly everyone has a gun and therefore they don`t dare break in?
I wouldn't agree with that premise but lets assume it's true that it can't be measured, then how would you be able to back up the very point you're trying to make? Can you only do it hypothetically?
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What is someone to do if they live in a rural area and the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away and somebody is bashing the door in?
Leave there home, and let the thieves do what they want.
EDIT: FUCK OFF FUCKROD.
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What is someone to do if they live in a rural area and the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away and somebody is bashing the door in?
Carry a piece perhaps? I don't know what the best solution is really, that's what I'm curios to find out. But just assuming that a gun is going to solve all your problems is basically just saying that you like the idea of defending yourself with a gun, but don't give a shit about any other aspects.
I'm ready to be persuaded either way. But I need to see actual statistical evidence before making up my mind.
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Carry a piece perhaps? I don't know what the best solution is really, that's what I'm curios to find out. But just assuming that a gun is going to solve all your problems is basically just saying that you like the idea of defending yourself with a gun, but don't give a shit about any other aspects.
I'm ready to be persuaded either way. But I need to see actual statistical evidence before making up my mind.
The scenarios bullshit, in most small towns crime is usually personal in nature.
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http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
* At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered.[23]
* A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:
• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives
• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime
• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once[24]
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http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
* A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]
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http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
* A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]
• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"
• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"
• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]
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http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
* At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered.[23]
* A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:
• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives
• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime
• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once[24]
How about you get a clear definition what those stats.
Chick being raped by people they know, is not part of the argument.
Nor is being punched, push over, or other violent inccidents.
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* Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.[55]
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* Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.[55]
Chicago is a shit argument, because it's not true gun control, as all the states neighboring it weren't under the law.
These stats are made much more meaningless when you factor in herion and the crack epidemic.
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Chicago is a shit argument, because it's not true gun control, as all the states neighboring it weren't under the law.
These stats are made much more meaningless when you factor in herion and the crack epidemic.
ROFLMAO!
Crack and Heroin shoot guns from Michigan so therefore the murder rate in Chicago has increased? ???
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ROFLMAO!
Crack and Heroin shoot guns from Michigan so therefore the murder rate in Chicago has increased? ???
Whatever dude, it's well established the crack epidemic of the mid to late 80's put crime through the roof. The same herion in the uk did much the same.
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Yep and dc was hit in 1985 with crack. That's basic american history. It took a little longer to spread to other regions of the states, but it's well known.
In fact all your proven is that there is no relationship to gun laws on state levels and the amount of killings period.
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Whatever dude, it's well established the crack epidemic of the mid to late 80's put crime through the roof. The same herion in the uk did much the same.
Whats that got to do with handguns?
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Whats that got to do with handguns?
Answer your fucking question I'm done with this. You know I'm spot on with this and yet you still insist on trying to sidetrack it.
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Answer your fucking question I'm done with this. You know I'm spot on with this and yet you still insist on trying to sidetrack it.
What question and its obvious you couldn`t be more wrong than anything.
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A lot of good those gun banning laws did. :D
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True Adonis, the above graphs show a definite correlation, but obviously do not show cause and effect. So you know its hard to pinpoint a drop in crime solely to gun ownership. Gun ownership may just be ONE factor in determining a decrease in crime.
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too much freedom .. way too much freedom in America that;s the reason .
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True Adonis, the above graphs show a definite correlation, but obviously do not show cause and effect. So you know its hard to pinpoint a drop in crime solely to gun ownership. Gun ownership may just be ONE factor in determining a decrease in crime.
The funny thing is the last graph he posted there was a concurrent OVERALL decline in violence in the rest of the states (pink line) as the right to carry gun laws were instituted which i presume is claiming to have had an affect on crime. So effectively there is very little correlation.
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The funny thing is the last graph he posted there was a concurrent OVERALL decline in violence in the rest of the states (pink line) as the right to carry gun laws were instituted which i presume is claiming to have had an affect on crime. So effectively there is very little correlation.
ahhh, yes, there was an OVERALL decline in crime rate when comparing specific states to the rest of the USA.
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What question and its obvious you couldn`t be more wrong than anything.
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A lot of good those gun banning laws did. :D
As I said, your only argument is that it's impossible to enforce these laws. Because america is saturated with guns and has a shit border.
If you stick to this one singular point, you have an argument.
What you fail to realize is, your not right because your philosophically right, your right because you've been wrong for so fucking long there's nothing that can be done about it.
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The funny thing is the last graph he posted there was a concurrent OVERALL decline in violence in the rest of the states (pink line) as the right to carry gun laws were instituted which i presume is claiming to have had an affect on crime. So effectively there is very little correlation.
A couple of things:
These graphs show that in states with gun bans, they were completely ineffective. Also, these graphs also show that since the Right to Carry has been established, the crime rate has been lowered to match or go below the national average with a continual trend downward.
What does this mean? This means that allowing citizens to own and carry guns DOES NOT increase murder rates and it shows a trend of keeping within or below the national average so what would be the point of restricting this freedom?
As you can see, there would be absolutely no point. THAT is how you interpret these graphs correctly.
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But how do you know a drop in murder rates was solely due to gun ownership?
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Some of those reporters should be fukcing shot. They were interviewing 6 year old kids right after shit went down. I would have knocked the reporter the fck out if I saw that go down. Asking fukcing babies to relive what they just seen is what therapist are for years later. They (the reporters) probably went there with order s from their superiors(the Hierarchy) to get the kids to talk. Unbelievable.
Journalists are generally low life gutter scum, see current UK media and govt pedophile cover up they have been maintaining for decades.
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ahhh, yes, there was an OVERALL decline in crime rate when comparing specific states to the rest of the USA.
This totally supports my Pro-Gun argument as I stated above. There is no ill effect on letting citizens have the right to Conceal and Carry. This is precisely what is being shown so why try and take this right away since it poses absolutely ZERO threat.
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But how do you know a drop in murder rates was solely due to gun ownership?
We know murder rates haven`t increased due to more gun ownership. So why should we ban gun ownership?
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This totally supports my Pro-Gun argument as I stated above. There is no ill effect on letting citizens have the right to Conceal and Carry. This is precisely what is being shown so why try and take this right away since it poses absolutely ZERO threat.
Well, I guess you can also look at it from that angle as well.
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As I said, your only argument is that it's impossible to enforce these laws. Because america is saturated with guns and has a shit border.
If you stick to this one singular point, you have an argument.
What you fail to realize is, your not right because your philosophically right, your right because you've been wrong for so fucking long there's nothing that can be done about it.
Thats not my argument and I never made it. Moron.
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But how do you know a drop in murder rates was solely due to gun ownership?
He's not saying that at all, he's saying that on a state level gun laws are unenforceable. Which is something we already knew. It's a circular argument.
The irony goes like this. I believe guns should be legal because of blah blah blah, and because there impossible to get rid of.
The reason guns are so impossible to get rid of is because of the blah blah blah.
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We know murder rates haven`t increased due to more gun ownership. So why should we ban gun ownership?
Well, we know based on that correlation. But there could be other factors also coming into play. So if you can figure out with those other factors are that decrease crime rate, besides guns, would you then be more apt to have stricter gun laws or ban guns?
ps - I am not saying we should ban guns, as I have no stake in gun laws. I am just plaing devils advocate.
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Well, I guess you can also look at it from that angle as well.
You have to look at it that way. Its too bad most can`t comprehend it in that manner. The media can`t even interpret it correctly. The fact is the increased gun ownership among citizens has had absolutely no ill effect when it comes to homicide rates, yet there are many people in power who want to restrict or take this freedom away. Why? It doesn`t make any logical sense.
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You have to look at it that way. Its too bad most can`t comprehend it in that manner. The media can`t even interpret it correctly. The fact is the increased gun ownership among citizens has had absolutely no ill effect when it comes to homicide rates, yet there are many people in power who want to restrict or take this freedom away. Why? It doesn`t make any logical sense.
This is bullshit, gun ownership may be going up but crimes rates are going down in most countries around the world. Your making statements that are impossible to get accurate data on. A time based analysis of homicide rates is useless when there are zero controls on the stats.
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This is bullshit, gun ownership may be going up but crimes rates are going down in most countries around the world. Your making statements that are impossible to get accurate data on. A time based analysis of homicide rates is useless when there are zero controls on the stats.
So why do you want a gun ban if its not having any effect on homicide rates?
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This is bullshit, gun ownership may be going up but crimes rates are going down in most countries around the world. Your making statements that are impossible to get accurate data on. A time based analysis of homicide rates is useless when there are zero controls on the stats.
hahaha you are melting because you have no facts or logical reasoning to back up your nonsense.
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So why do you want a gun ban if its not having any effect on homicide rates?
I don't want no gun ban, as I said from the start it's impossible to enforce one in the states.
What I want is for you to shut the fuck up with this absurd arguments about the 1st amendment, what would you do if, anecdote this, etc.
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Evil in the human nature.
Leave aside the terrible details and reality the aspect that a young man shoots a bunch of people is fascinating from a psychological aspect. What does one feel when you shoot and kill? It must be good otherwise why would they not stop?
Some guy in a docu said once in Vietnam he was a door gunner and he loved the feeling of the pig 60 when he was shooting it.
Whats wrong with us that we like or learn to like killing?
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I don't want no gun ban, as I said from the start it's impossible to enforce one in the states.
What I want is for you to shut the fuck up with this absurd arguments about the 1st amendment, what would you do if, anecdote this, etc.
The Freedom of Speech? What on earth are you talking about? Now you don`t want a gun ban? You are insane.
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The Freedom of Speech? What on earth are you talking about? Now you don`t want a gun ban? You are insane.
Hypothetically I want a gun ban but it's pointless in america at this point. I meant the 2nd amendment.
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Hypothetically I want a gun ban but it's pointless in america at this point. I meant the 2nd amendment.
Impractical is the word you're looking for.
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Hypothetically I want a gun ban but it's pointless in america at this point. I meant the 2nd amendment.
So why are you even arguing? We already know the facts are not on your side and now you admit that its all pointless impractical and nonsensical. Why all the hubbub, bub?
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Impractical is the word you're looking for.
Dr. Chimps, I`d like your opinion on this matter:
Someone has just smashed your door and is breaking in your home. The nearest Law Enforcement officer is 20 miles away. What are you supposed to do?
Would you rather have a gun or not and why?
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A couple of things:
These graphs show that in states with gun bans, they were completely ineffective. Also, these graphs also show that since the Right to Carry has been established, the crime rate has been lowered to match or go below the national average with a continual trend downward.
What does this mean? This means that allowing citizens to own and carry guns DOES NOT increase murder rates and it shows a trend of keeping within or below the national average so what would be the point of restricting this freedom?
As you can see, there would be absolutely no point. THAT is how you interpret these graphs correctly.
I was commenting on a particular graph only and its interpretation; admittedly I don't know the overall picture and am not arguing either way (though I do think we should do SOMETHING, rather than nothing about the current epidemic). As others have pointed out correlation does not equal causation, and also there are other factors at play which affect outcomes. So a single graph does not show the whole picture anyway.
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I'm canadian I could give a fuck what you folk do with your guns, just say you hate niggas, and move on.
Just don't try using some bullshit argument on why having them makes sense.
This is what you got on your side, the fact that it is simply too hard to get rid of them. That's it every other nonsense you get on with is just idiotic posturing.
This is my point from the beginning and I'm sticking to it.
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Unless police officers can respond to every 911 call within 30sec of making that call, guns should never be outlawed
Police don't protect, they only come with chalk to outline the dead bodies and take pictures to solve the crime
Police spend most of their time harassing decent citizens, not protecting them.
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I was commenting on a particular graph only and its interpretation; admittedly I don't know the overall picture and am not arguing either way (though I do think we should do SOMETHING, rather than nothing about the current epidemic). As others have pointed out correlation does not equal causation, and also there are other factors at play which affect outcomes. So a single graph does not show the whole picture anyway.
What "epidemic"? Media Sensationalism?
You know, this shooter was buzzed in by someone at that school. The doors were locked electronically and someone let him in. I`d say this is where the problem lies in this situation.
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What "epidemic"? Media Sensationalism?
You know, this shooter was buzzed in by someone at that school. The doors were locked electronically and someone let him in. I`d say this is where the problem lies in this situation.
I feel uncomfortable with the idea and anyone should have the ability to do this. He could have picked any other venue and killed as many people.
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I feel uncomfortable with the idea and anyone should have the ability to do this. He could have picked any other venue and killed as many people.
What's any other venue this shit keeps getting said, but the fact that the guy chose this location must of been in part to having only lesser options.
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Dr. Chimps, I`d like your opinion on this matter:
Someone has just smashed your door and is breaking in your home. The nearest Law Enforcement officer is 20 miles away. What are you supposed to do?
Would you rather have a gun or not and why?
Not a fan of guns. I have a nice softball bat for home protection. As for guns, yea or nay, it's a complicated issue, emotional, too - no simple, binary, solutions. But, I suppose, as long as people continue to value gun ownership as they do, these types of events will also continue to occur. It's the price one pays.
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What's any other venue this shit keeps getting said, but the fact that the guy chose this location must of been in part to having only lesser options.
who knows why he picked it, not sure what your point is
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The Sandy Hook Elementary murders will be covered on the news for weeks to come. But if you ask a forensics psychiatrist, we shouldn't.
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who knows why he picked it, not sure what your point is
Likely to do as much damage as possible. The only real trend in these shootings is they generally try to outdo their competition. The kids idea you gotta admit was fucking clever, after the theater business you'd think folk would of had enough to not care about this shit.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/adam-lanza-an-enigma-who-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html?pagewanted=2&hp
This guy was going to blow regardless.
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Interesting -
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Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
Guns are just a tool that people use to achieve their goals.
As someone else pointed out, gun control in this country will do nothing but take guns out of the innocents hands, as there are so many firearms in circulation, that the only people that would hand them over would be the law abiding citizens, you know, the ones not committing murder.
can you imagine if all guns were illegal. The types of guns that would be made on the black market would be mind boggling. Like drugs, exotic weapons would run wild. I also think people would arm themselves with pipe bombs in shit in their house.
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can you imagine if all guns were illegal. The types of guns that would be made on the black market would be mind boggling.
It's not just that, a good machinist can make most of the parts to build an assault rifle on a decent CNC machine. Besides, with the amount of firearms in circulation in the US, actually banning firearms would be a massive failure.
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I wonder how many women out there that have been raped and got themselves a firearm would be willing to just give it up?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248197/Adam-Lanza-How-honor-student-goth-killer-massacring-20-children-Sandy-Hook-Elementary.html
Look at this freak. Yeah a law would have stopped this guy. Whatever morons, believe what you want.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248197/Adam-Lanza-How-honor-student-goth-killer-massacring-20-children-Sandy-Hook-Elementary.html
Look at this freak. Yeah a law would have stopped this guy. Whatever morons, believe what you want.
They weren't even his firearms.
He took his mothers guns after shooting her, and then used her firearms to shoot the kids.
Adam Lanza shot his mother Nancy, a kindergarten teacher, at the upscale suburban home they shared together and then took three of her guns and drove to Sandy Hook Elementary School about 9.30am.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248197/Adam-Lanza-How-honor-student-goth-killer-massacring-20-children-Sandy-Hook-Elementary.html#ixzz2F8n5MV00
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lol, the tutsi mutsi or whatever massacre comes to mind, where the ppl hacked the others to pieces with machetes,hundreds of thousands
People? Loose term in this example.
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If I lived in a shooting gallery I'd want to own a gun too. It's a situationally sane choice. But if that were the whole issue you'd be hearing all sorts of dialogue about how to best do away with gun ownership as an unfortunate necessity of regrettable circumstances. You never hear that.
I see frightened people, and they're probably right to be frightened sometimes, but fear has run away with a lot of them and induced a xenophobia of anything outside the front door. There's no room for dialogue. Everyone's too scared and mistrustful. People are fearful, consequently quick to become aggressive, and holding on tight to what gives them a means to protect themselves from the terrifying world that's out to get them. Something's always out to get you in the US and the threat is always immediate. It seems like every decision made by the American people is made out of fear and nothing else.
It saddens me to see my country, which should be a living example of the achievement of great societal possibilities, atomized into locked 'n loaded individuals making their last stand behind locked doors every single night and taking a bizarre pride in how tough they are with their backs up against the wall.
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Chicago is a shit argument, because it's not true gun control, as all the states neighboring it weren't under the law.
These stats are made much more meaningless when you factor in herion and the crack epidemic.
You obviously know sweet fuck all about Chicago.
You asked for proof, he supplied it, you dismissed it because it makes you look like a fool.
Regardless of how idyllic you claim the Canadian shithole you live in squalor in really isn't.
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You obviously know sweet fuck all about Chicago.
You asked for proof, he supplied it, you dismissed it because it makes you look like a fool.
Regardless of how idyllic you claim the Canadian shithole you live in squalor in really isn't.
When did I say it was idealic, I simply said gun crime isn't a concern of mine.
Irregardless, I know that in canada illegal arms cross the border in record numbers, to think what chicago does matters when it lacks a border is laughable.
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Interesting -
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Now subtract out the inner city drug/gang portion of the stats and see where the U.S. falls.
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When did I say it was idealic, I simply said gun crime isn't a concern of mine.
Irregardless, I know that in canada illegal arms cross the border in record numbers, to think what chicago does matters when it lacks a border is laughable.
So in your fucked up way of thinking, I should have no defense against becoming a victim of violent crime so that you can feel better about yourself?
If you lived in the south side of Chicago you wouldn't take any measures to protect your wife and children? If you lived on the AZ/Mexico border, you would leave your doors unlocked at night because the people of Weasel Piss Creek Saskatchewan are non violent?
You're talking out your ass. When the level and type of crime in Canada escalate to what is found here in the U.S., the citizenry will escalate their level of protection against becoming a victim.
The bigger issue is criminals/gangs etc. having a total disregard for human life, necessitating a level of protection against those scumbags of society.
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Interesting -
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It's very revealing and why? USA isn't even close to the top and the all the foreigners are screaming about the USA is that the USA is this , why are they screaming? SENSATIONALISM from the American media , which make quasi-stars out of these killers who they cover 24-7
Who is bitching & moaning about 16 countries ahead of us? NO ONE why? people have their agenda and everyone if focused on us. Consider the fact we have THREE HUNDRED MILLION guns as we're still not any where near the top of the list.
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It's very revealing and why? USA isn't even close to the top and the all the foreigners are screaming about the USA is that the USA is this , why are they screaming? SENSATIONALISM from the American media , which make quasi-stars out of these killers who they cover 24-7
Who is bitching & moaning about 16 countries ahead of us? NO ONE why? people have their agenda and everyone if focused on us. Consider the fact we have THREE HUNDRED MILLION guns as we're still not any where near the top of the list.
Please pull up the gdp per capita stats america ranks with 2nd world countries not first. 3rd world countries aren't worth talking about
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So in your fucked up way of thinking, I should have no defense against becoming a victim of violent crime so that you can feel better about yourself?
If you lived in the south side of Chicago you wouldn't take any measures to protect your wife and children? If you lived on the AZ/Mexico border, you would leave your doors unlocked at night because the people of Weasel Piss Creek Saskatchewan are non violent?
You're talking out your ass. When the level and type of crime in Canada escalate to what is found here in the U.S., the citizenry will escalate their level of protection against becoming a victim.
The bigger issue is criminals/gangs etc. having a total disregard for human life, necessitating a level of protection against those scumbags of society.
Your an idiot. Those same countries that have the highest homicides rates tend to immigrate to canada as refugess.
All our major cities have major troubles with gangs mafias, and other groups.
We got the tamil tigers, italian, russians, jamaicans, columbians, quebecois hells angels, japanese gangs, everything. And outside of our cities we got violent retarted fucking natives that live like viking(you know big on the raping and shit).
The only reason our violence is less extreme is because our government and people aren't in the process of starting an arms war with people with nothing left to loose.
The rational and proven thing to do is deescalate the violence, by slapping criminals on the wrist.
As criminals just like everyone else feels the need to feel protected, when a criminal feels safe he leaves his guns behind.
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It's very revealing and why? USA isn't even close to the top and the all the foreigners are screaming about the USA is that the USA is this , why are they screaming? SENSATIONALISM from the American media , which make quasi-stars out of these killers who they cover 24-7
I see every other first and second world country much safer than ours.
hooray, we aren't as dangerous as Colombia ::)
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The rational and proven thing to do is deescalate the violence, by slapping criminals on the wrist.
As criminals just like everyone else feels the need to feel protected, when a criminal feels safe he leaves his guns behind.
LOL WTF?
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I see every other first and second world country much safer than ours.
hooray, we aren't as dangerous as Columbia ::)
I think it's pretty decent for the sheer amount of firearms available in this country.
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LOL WTF?
It's a rather simple concept, if your robbing a house do you bring a gun, if there's zero chance you need it, and it will only result in stiffer penalties.
Most people choose not to,
However if there's a risk the guy is a racist gun nut would you or would you not bring it that is the fucking question.
The answer is obvious.
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I see every other first and second world country much safer than ours.
hooray, we aren't as dangerous as Colombia ::)
Thats not true at all. These statistics are elevated from the urban areas vs the rural areas. Its not really a good measure of violence in your area when its an aggregate that is boosted mainly by black crime in larger cities. :-\
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Thats not true at all. These statistics are elevated from the urban areas vs the rural areas. Its not really a good measure of violence in your area when its an aggregate that is boosted mainly by black crime in larger cities. :-\
The fuck are you trying to say, that japan is less urban?
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I see every other first and second world country much safer than ours.
hooray, we aren't as dangerous as Colombia ::)
Take what you want from that , considering the amount of firearms personally owned in this country that numbers is low , not perfect but low when you take that into consideration.
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Lets look at the first world countries.
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The fuck are you trying to say, that japan is less urban?
Again, they have a monoculture and no blacks.
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It's very revealing and why? USA isn't even close to the top and the all the foreigners are screaming about the USA is that the USA is this , why are they screaming? SENSATIONALISM from the American media , which make quasi-stars out of these killers who they cover 24-7
Who is bitching & moaning about 16 countries ahead of us? NO ONE why? people have their agenda and everyone if focused on us. Consider the fact we have THREE HUNDRED MILLION guns as we're still not any where near the top of the list.
All the countries above USA in that list are 3rd world countries, the high crime in those countries are direct result of impoverishment ,it has nothing to do with gun control laws or mass murderers.
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Lets look at the first world countries.
Where are the blacks in those other countries? ???
(http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/orace.png)
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Lets look at the first world countries.
Take out minority crime and we are in far better shape.
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Your ignoring the fact that poor blacks live in "urban" areas, while poor whites live in rural, which is something you just brought up.
Anyhow I don't disagree this isn't partially an issue with blacks, but your pretending all the countries on the list have no non white populations.
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Lets look at the first world countries.
Let's compare them by firearm ownership who else comes close to having 300 millions guns , the number for the US is low considering that fact.
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Your an idiot. Those same countries that have the highest homicides rates tend to immigrate to canada as refugess.
All our major cities have major troubles with gangs mafias, and other groups.
We got the tamil tigers, italian, russians, jamaicans, columbians, quebecois hells angels, japanese gangs, everything. And outside of our cities we got violent retarted fucking natives that live like viking(you know big on the raping and shit).
The only reason our violence is less extreme is because our government and people aren't in the process of starting an arms war with people with nothing left to loose.
The rational and proven thing to do is deescalate the violence, by slapping criminals on the wrist.
As criminals just like everyone else feels the need to feel protected, when a criminal feels safe he leaves his guns behind.
I was born and raised in Canada, so cut the bullshit. A couple drunken Indians on a reservation are not the Black Gangster Disciples.
Your statement about "deescalating" proves nothing more than you suffer from some type of mental handicap. The same type of mental separation from reality that causes a person to pick up a gun and kill 20 children.
I get no satisfaction from arguing with the fat, retarded kid in the neighborhood. TA can continue to club you upside the head with reality, although obviously he is wasting his time.
Be careful out there on the "mean streets" of Brampton, Ontario. The hardened criminals may not have "deescalated" and left their slingshots at home.
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Take out minority crime and we are in far better shape.
Oh no worries brother I covered that base when I entered the thread. ;)
I'm canadian I could give a fuck what you folk do with your guns, just say you hate niggas, and move on.
Just don't try using some bullshit argument on why having them makes sense.
This is what you got on your side, the fact that it is simply too hard to get rid of them. That's it every other nonsense you get on with is just idiotic posturing.
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Your ignoring the fact that poor blacks live in "urban" areas, while poor whites live in rural, which is something you just brought up.
Anyhow I don't disagree this isn't partially an issue with blacks, but your pretending all the countries on the list have no non white populations.
What are the latest figures of black population in Switzerland? :D
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I was born and raised in Canada, so cut the bullshit. A couple drunken Indians on a reservation are not the Black Gangster Disciples.
Your statement about "deescalating" proves nothing more than you suffer from some type of mental handicap. The same type of mental separation from reality that causes a person to pick up a gun and kill 20 children.
I get no satisfaction from arguing with the fat, retarded kid in the neighborhood. TA can continue to club you upside the head with reality, although obviously he is wasting his time.
Be careful out there on the "mean streets" of Brampton, Ontario. The hardened criminals may not have "deescalated" and left their slingshots at home.
Lol your not even acknowledging what I'm saying, at best you got a weak personal attack when I'm obviously more right than you.
The reason you don't fear the tamils or the nates is because they aren't packing heat.
If not you've never really spent any time with drunken nates.
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What are the latest figures of black population in Switzerland? :D
Ironic the swiss rank rather poorly for a white country.
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Let's compare them by firearm ownership who else comes close to having 300 millions guns , the number for the US is low considering that fact.
it's not how many guns are in circulation, it's how many people actively use them to kill someone. you can only shoot one gun at a time....two if you are skilled. My brother has 25 guns, there are survivalists with fucking armories in their basement. but they aren't the problem, it's the criminals with a handgun tucked in their waist
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Ironic the swiss rank rather poorly for a white country.
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Yes, because 0.93 deaths out of 100,000 is really poor.
Number of guns per capita by country per 100 residents.
United States 88.8 1
Serbia 58.2 2
Yemen 54.8 3
Switzerland 45.7 4
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Yes, because 0.93 deaths out of 100,000 is really poor.
Number of guns per capita by country per 100 residents.
United States 88.8 1
Serbia 58.2 2
Yemen 54.8 3
Switzerland 45.7 4
Yemen ain't white, serbia just went through a genocide, and america is fucked.
Go back to the graphic you posted the swiss are at the top of the list in rich europe.
The brits use to be the worst in europe but have become one of the best after getting rid of their guns.
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it's not how many guns are in circulation, it's how many people actively use them to kill someone. you can only shoot one gun at a time....two if you are skilled. My brother has 25 guns, there are survivalists with fucking armories in their basement. but they aren't the problem, it's the criminals with a handgun tucked in their waist
Spot on.
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Yemen ain't white, serbia just went through a genocide, and america is fucked.
Go back to the graphic you posted the swiss are at the top of the list in rich europe.
The brits use to be the worst in europe but have become one of the best after getting rid of their guns.
Brits have become the best at what? Maximizing the homicide rate despite a ban on firearms? :D
(http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england.png)
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The brits use to be the worst in europe but have become one of the best after getting rid of their guns.
Not saying it is related, but the British govt is now putting people in jail for saying nasty words on the internet. Brits have little to no real freedom now.
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it's not how many guns are in circulation, it's how many people actively use them to kill someone. you can only shoot one gun at a time....two if you are skilled. My brother has 25 guns, there are survivalists with fucking armories in their basement. but they aren't the problem, it's the criminals with a handgun tucked in their waist
I agree , it's how many people own them as well and considering the amount of personal firearms ownership that number is low , relatively speaking
Obviously we're gonna be higher than other first world countries that have complete bans
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Brits have become the best at what? Maximizing the homicide rate despite a ban on firearms? :D
(http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england.png)
http://www.economist.com/node/21559646
Gun crime has plummeted there in recent years, even your graph show the start of the decline.
The law didn't make shit magically happen, it took time for shit to get filtered down.
Gun laws don't stop criminals from buying guns, as they are typically used guns in the first place. It's a shortage of guns on the used market that controls homicide, which is why there will always be a delay.
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Actually violent crimes went up after the ban .
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http://www.economist.com/node/21559646
Gun crime has plummeted there in recent years, even your graph show the start of the decline.
The law didn't make shit magically happen, it took time for shit to get filtered down.
Gun laws don't stop criminals from buying guns, as they are typically used guns in the first place. It's a shortage of guns on the used market that controls homicide, which is why there will always be a delay.
Then whats the point of banning them? :D
Furthermore, I have no clue what you are talking about here - a shortage of guns on the used market that controls homicide -
What the hell does that even mean? ???
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Actually violent crimes went up after the ban .
http://www.economist.com/node/21559646 did you even read this article.
Regardless your numbers contradict TA's explain.
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http://www.economist.com/node/21559646 did you even read this article.
Regardless your numbers contradict TA's explain.
No they don`t. :D
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No they don`t. :D
How has violent crime gone up?
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How has violent crime gone up?
Violent Crime and Homicides are two totally different things. ;) Try to follow along.
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Wonder when the movie starts "shooting?
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Wonder when the movie starts "shooting?
I hear it will be a real "blast".
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Violent Crime and Homicides are two totally different things. ;) Try to follow along.
I got that, which is I ask how has it gone up, I was expecting a graph, anyhow it's the other guy's error I mentioned something specially about gun crime, and he side tracked without acknowledging it.
Anyhow I'm out my wrist is fucking killing me to much typing it appears.
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Wonder when the movie starts "shooting?
Who will play the "Hero" adults that saved the kids lives
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in ANY situation like that - seriously - everyone in the room should do the same thing. Pick up ANY weapon and attack the shooter.
Pen stabs to neck. He might hit 2 of you with bullets but the other 1 or 2 or 3 of you will stab the fcker in the neck, minimizing how much damage he can do.
IN a closed environment like that, your only option is to ATTACK at the first moment. That's it. You see a gun, you fcking ATTACK. Everyone here should program themselves to that. You freeze and he starts killing those around him. Better to come in low with something stabby. He might hit you, he might not, but then you're both on the ground so others can pile on. Then you can take his gun, crush his head with about 50 kicks, etc.
Seriously, everyone should evaluate what they'd do- and what they should do. The best way to proteect isn't to use your flesh as a shield - those bullets will sail right though. You aren't made of metal. ATTACK is your only chance at survival. You pick up a book, a pen, a fish tank, you pull the car keys from your pocket - and you ain for the NECK. You grab, you stab and you keep stabbing until your arms cramps out. No bullshit here.
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Lol your not even acknowledging what I'm saying, at best you got a weak personal attack when I'm obviously more right than you.
The reason you don't fear the tamils or the nates is because they aren't packing heat.
If not you've never really spent any time with drunken nates.
I grew up next to a reservation, to compare drunken, lazy, unemployed Indians to an inner city gang, or drug cartel is nothing more than naive and stupid. You are some type of shut-in with very limited real world and social experiences, that is obvious. You are a lemming that will do exactly what your government tells you, and live in some other alternate reality on the Internet.
Gun laws, gun control, gun bans are not the underlying issue in this tragedy, mental illness is. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that. Your correlation to the argument is what works in Canada will work in the U.S., as a blanket statement. Aurora Colorado had gun bans, no shooting ordinances, and the theater had a gun ban. The shooter in that instance went to that specific theater, for that reason.
With all respect to the deceased, they were specifically targeted by this maniac because they were the easiest target and would get him maximum media exposure. You sure as hell don't see these fuckhead gunmen breaking into a biker bar and shooting up the patrons. I wonder why that is?
In the end, the difference between you and I is, if the worst were ever to occur, I won't be relying on someone else to keep me from being a victim. It is my right, and no spineless, liberal politician will put me or my family in danger, or at risk just to garner votes or win political favor. You are a lemming, you will do what the agenda-driven media tells you.
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in ANY situation like that - seriously - everyone in the room should do the same thing. Pick up ANY weapon and attack the shooter.
Pen stabs to neck. He might hit 2 of you with bullets but the other 1 or 2 or 3 of you will stab the fcker in the neck, minimizing how much damage he can do.
IN a closed environment like that, your only option is to ATTACK at the first moment. That's it. You see a gun, you fcking ATTACK. Everyone here should program themselves to that. You freeze and he starts killing those around him. Better to come in low with something stabby. He might hit you, he might not, but then you're both on the ground so others can pile on. Then you can take his gun, crush his head with about 50 kicks, etc.
Seriously, everyone should evaluate what they'd do- and what they should do. The best way to proteect isn't to use your flesh as a shield - those bullets will sail right though. You aren't made of metal. ATTACK is your only chance at survival. You pick up a book, a pen, a fish tank, you pull the car keys from your pocket - and you ain for the NECK. You grab, you stab and you keep stabbing until your arms cramps out. No bullshit here.
No.
Plain and simple. You get the innocent 5 year old kids to safety first and foremost.
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No.
Plain and simple. You get the innocent 5 year old kids to safety first and foremost.
in a classroom, there's only one in/out. I taught for years, there was very rarely an emergency exit in any room. The one door in was the one door out.
that guy is gonna shoot until everyone is dead, or until he's taken down. The ONLY way to save the lives is to get the dude down. Sad but true.
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in ANY situation like that - seriously - everyone in the room should do the same thing. Pick up ANY weapon and attack the shooter.
Pen stabs to neck. He might hit 2 of you with bullets but the other 1 or 2 or 3 of you will stab the fcker in the neck, minimizing how much damage he can do.
IN a closed environment like that, your only option is to ATTACK at the first moment. That's it. You see a gun, you fcking ATTACK. Everyone here should program themselves to that. You freeze and he starts killing those around him. Better to come in low with something stabby. He might hit you, he might not, but then you're both on the ground so others can pile on. Then you can take his gun, crush his head with about 50 kicks, etc.
Seriously, everyone should evaluate what they'd do- and what they should do. The best way to proteect isn't to use your flesh as a shield - those bullets will sail right though. You aren't made of metal. ATTACK is your only chance at survival. You pick up a book, a pen, a fish tank, you pull the car keys from your pocket - and you ain for the NECK. You grab, you stab and you keep stabbing until your arms cramps out. No bullshit here.
OK Rambo ::)
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in a classroom, there's only one in/out. I taught for years, there was very rarely an emergency exit in any room. The one door in was the one door out.
that guy is gonna shoot until everyone is dead, or until he's taken down. The ONLY way to save the lives is to get the dude down. Sad but true.
The best strategy is to fall to your knees like a simpering peasant and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. If you die it means you didn't pray hard enough or Jesus doesn't particularly care for you.
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The best strategy is to fall to your knees like a simpering peasant and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. If you die it means you didn't pray hard enough or Jesus doesn't particularly care for you.
Actually it means it's gods will that you needed to die.
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Actually it means it's gods will that you needed to die.
That too.
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in a classroom, there's only one in/out. I taught for years, there was very rarely an emergency exit in any room. The one door in was the one door out.
that guy is gonna shoot until everyone is dead, or until he's taken down. The ONLY way to save the lives is to get the dude down. Sad but true.
Then break the windows out and usher the kids out into the schoolyard. Release the children en masse and tell them to run for any exit they can find. Use the chaos to your advantage. Retreating into a classroom and having 8 year olds attack an armed man is sheer lunacy.
Get the kids to safety. If you want to stand your ground after that, it's your choice.
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The best strategy is to fall to your knees like a simpering peasant and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. If you die it means you didn't pray hard enough or Jesus doesn't particularly care for you.
“this is no time to be making enemies."
Voltaire on his deathbed when asked to renounce the devil
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“this is no time to be making enemies."
Voltaire on his deathbed when asked to renounce the devil
Smart man and a great quote!
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I love how getbiggers know EXACTLY what to do in any situation .
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Then break the windows out and usher the kids out into the schoolyard. Release the children en masse and tell them to run for any exit they can find. Use the chaos to your advantage. Retreating into a classroom and having 8 year olds attack an armed man is sheer lunacy.
Get the kids to safety. If you want to stand your ground after that, it's your choice.
20 kids.... the killer had 2 handguns... classrooms are small, maybe 30 by 30 feet. nobody is getting out the window. the shooting will be done in 30 to 60 seconds.
I'm not saying any kids should be attacking. I'm saying if there's 1-2 teachers in the classroom, their first instinct NEEDS to be pick up scissors or car keys or just fists, and to attack the guy. "breaking a window and climbing out" ain't gonna happen. It's just not. There's a VERY low survival chance if this dude is intent on killing everyone in room. The ONLY chance is to disarm him.
I dont claim to be tough, and I'd prbably be dead today too - but the whole time I was a teacher (7 years), I planned what weapon in what corner of the room I'd use to bum rush any one who came in shooting. I'd place a heavy metal or other item at all 4 corners and in the middle- and every time that door opened, i'd glance.
those poor teachers that died were heroes, I believe. The whole situation is beyond sad. but I think teachers should be trained to attack the fck out of an armed shooter - better to die on your feet trying to inflict a wound on the shooter, than to just pay on floor and wait for him to choose.
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I love how getbiggers know EXACTLY what to do in any situation .
Getbigger Pre-School = every student armed with Chinese throwing stars and nunchuks.
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My random thoughts regarding gun control and violence in the U.S.
The shooter in Connecticut likely had a psychotic break (went nuts). We can discuss gun control all we like, but that won't change the fact that there will always be someone who loses it and does something crazy like shoot up a school house full of kids, bomb a building or run through a shopping mall killing innocent unsuspecting strangers.
It would be great if we lived in a world where there were no weapons and no violence. But to think that is going to happen any time soon. I do believe there is no reason private citizens need to own or keep assault weapons and that they should be illegal. I also believe that if someone wants to commit an act of violence, for whatever reason, they will figure out a way to do it, guns or no guns. People have been killing each other since the beginning of time. We can't seem to shake our primitive violent behavior.
It isn't clear to me why the U.S. should have a higher per capita incidence of violent deaths. More gun controls might help and they might change nothing. For the most part we are a nation of independents, meaning we don't do much personally to help each other out. Because it is unpopular and expensive to institutionalize the insane, many of them walk our streets. In many families, even when someone is in desperate straights we don't help them or give them a leg up, the best we can do is send them to the welfare office or direct them to some shelter. I have been in other developed countries and it doesn't seem to be this way everywhere. However, U.S. culture is often a pacesetter for the rest of the world in that what happens here becomes popular elsewhere. If that is true, then we are all headed in the wrong direction the world over.
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That too.
He needed his 20 little angels in heaven and not on earth. ::)
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in ANY situation like that - seriously - everyone in the room should do the same thing. Pick up ANY weapon and attack the shooter.
Pen stabs to neck. He might hit 2 of you with bullets but the other 1 or 2 or 3 of you will stab the fcker in the neck, minimizing how much damage he can do.
IN a closed environment like that, your only option is to ATTACK at the first moment. That's it. You see a gun, you fcking ATTACK. Everyone here should program themselves to that. You freeze and he starts killing those around him. Better to come in low with something stabby. He might hit you, he might not, but then you're both on the ground so others can pile on. Then you can take his gun, crush his head with about 50 kicks, etc.
Seriously, everyone should evaluate what they'd do- and what they should do. The best way to proteect isn't to use your flesh as a shield - those bullets will sail right though. You aren't made of metal. ATTACK is your only chance at survival. You pick up a book, a pen, a fish tank, you pull the car keys from your pocket - and you ain for the NECK. You grab, you stab and you keep stabbing until your arms cramps out. No bullshit here.
Attacking is an instinct you are born with imop. And most aren't born with this instinct. We've all seen video's of a cops first instinct to run for their lives when someone pulls out a gun and starts shooting. And these are people who are trained to fight.
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20 kids.... the killer had 2 handguns... classrooms are small, maybe 30 by 30 feet. nobody is getting out the window. the shooting will be done in 30 to 60 seconds.
I'm not saying any kids should be attacking. I'm saying if there's 1-2 teachers in the classroom, their first instinct NEEDS to be pick up scissors or car keys or just fists, and to attack the guy. "breaking a window and climbing out" ain't gonna happen. It's just not. There's a VERY low survival chance if this dude is intent on killing everyone in room. The ONLY chance is to disarm him.
I dont claim to be tough, and I'd prbably be dead today too - but the whole time I was a teacher (7 years), I planned what weapon in what corner of the room I'd use to bum rush any one who came in shooting. I'd place a heavy metal or other item at all 4 corners and in the middle- and every time that door opened, i'd glance.
those poor teachers that died were heroes, I believe. The whole situation is beyond sad. but I think teachers should be trained to attack the fck out of an armed shooter - better to die on your feet trying to inflict a wound on the shooter, than to just pay on floor and wait for him to choose.
Not knowing the architecture of the school, the windows may cover an entire wall, giving an adequate escape route.
You're missing the point, when the shooting started, get the kids out immediately. Don't sit in the classroom waiting for the gunman to come to you.
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in a classroom, there's only one in/out. I taught for years, there was very rarely an emergency exit in any room. The one door in was the one door out.
that guy is gonna shoot until everyone is dead, or until he's taken down. The ONLY way to save the lives is to get the dude down. Sad but true.
Although teachers aren't taught to go out windows, locking the door and throwing a chair threw a window is probably your best bet if you hear gun shots in a hallway.
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Attacking is an instinct you are born with imop. And most aren't born with this instinct. We've all seen video's of cops running for their lives when someone pulls out a gun and starts shooting. And these are people who are trained to fight.
it can probably be trained in people who would otherwise run. Once they understand the % chances of survival of lying on floor vs fighting, that might help. I dunno.
I do know that when someone wakes me up suddenly in middle of night, I tend to attack out of habit, instinct, whatever. I've nearly given the wifey a black eye on occasion :) If I get startled or shook while sleeping, I get aggressive to defend. Of course, I'ma paranoid militant type, uncomfy in most places and definitely wolf not sheep.
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Attacking is an instinct you are born with imop. And most aren't born with this instinct. We've all seen video's of cops running for their lives when someone pulls out a gun and starts shooting. And these are people who are trained to fight.
240 is just talking out of his ass .
''Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.''
Mike Tyson
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Not knowing the architecture of the school, the windows may cover an entire wall, giving an adequate escape route.
You're missing the point, when the shooting started, get the kids out immediately. Don't sit in the classroom waiting for the gunman to come to you.
sorry, i agree with you there - I was referring to situation where shooter was inside my classroom and i have 30 seconds to live.
if he's in hallway, i baracade kids or escape, whichever feasible, and then fight if he tries entry. I was talking about the gunfight IN the room.
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My random thoughts regarding gun control and violence in the U.S.
The shooter in Connecticut likely had a psychotic break (went nuts). We can discuss gun control all we like, but that won't change the fact that there will always be someone who loses it and does something crazy like shoot up a school house full of kids, bomb a building or run through a shopping mall killing innocent unsuspecting strangers.
It would be great if we lived in a world where there were no weapons and no violence. But to think that is going to happen any time soon. I do believe there is no reason private citizens need to own or keep assault weapons and that they should be illegal. I also believe that if someone wants to commit an act of violence, for whatever reason, they will figure out a way to do it, guns or no guns. People have been killing each other since the beginning of time. We can't seem to shake our primitive violent behavior.
It isn't clear to me why the U.S. should have a higher per capita incidence of violent deaths. More gun controls might help and they might change nothing. For the most part we are a nation of independents, meaning we don't do much personally to help each other out. Because it is unpopular and expensive to institutionalize the insane, many of them walk our streets. In many families, even when someone is in desperate straights we don't help them or give them a leg up, the best we can do is send them to the welfare office or direct them to some shelter. I have been in other developed countries and it doesn't seem to be this way everywhere. However, U.S. culture is often a pacesetter for the rest of the world in that what happens here becomes popular elsewhere. If that is true, then we are all headed in the wrong direction the world over.
Most Americans don't realize this but, this tragedy isn't even the worst massacre of schoolchildren ever. In Bath Michigan more kids were killed and NOT ONE gun was used.
But let's keep blaming guns and not the crazy fuckers pulling the triggers.
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it can probably be trained in people who would otherwise run. Once they understand the % chances of survival of lying on floor vs fighting, that might help. I dunno.
I do know that when someone wakes me up suddenly in middle of night, I tend to attack out of habit, instinct, whatever. I've nearly given the wifey a black eye on occasion :) If I get startled or shook while sleeping, I get aggressive to defend. Of course, I'ma paranoid militant type, uncomfy in most places and definitely wolf not sheep.
Video of highly trained officer running for cover. Shit happens way too fast. If someone has a gun pointed at you from a distance of over 10 feet, moving toward the gun is in most cases suicide.
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will this latest Tragedy in American schools change things?........Probably not.....we will keep seeing the same catastrophy from time to time and the Second Amendment will remain the Winner in this battle......I will keep my two Guns.....my records are clean and I'm a responsible owner....I can't speak for others
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
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NEWTOWN, Conn. – Town officials in Connecticut say the principal who died in the rampage at an elementary school was killed while lunging at the gunman as she tried to overtake him. Yep of course she did, town officials witnessed this did they.
Dawn Hochsprung was gunned down in Friday's massacre in Newtown. Board of Education chairwoman Debbie Liedlien says administrators were coming out of a meeting when the gunman forced his way into the school and ran toward him. Dawn is not smart.
Jeff Capeci (kuh-PEE'-chee) is chairman of the town's Legislative Council. Asked whether Hochsprung is a hero, he says, "From what we know, it's hard to classify her as anything else." Jeff is making shit up.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/15/connecticut-school-principal-died-lunging-at-gunman-officials-say/#ixzz2F9iZ3NI4
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Cops instinct to run saved his life here. If the cop went at the guy when the guy pulled the gun, the cop probably would have been dead.
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will this latest Tragedy in American schools change things?........Probably not.....we will keep seeing the same catastrophy from time to time and the Second Amendment will remain the Winner in this battle......I will keep my two Guns.....my records are clean and I'm a responsible owner....I can't speak for others
[Troll Voice] I think what liberals are telling gun owners is to shoot every fucking socially inept, smart, nerdy male you see between the ages of 17-24 in case they turn out to be mass murderers. [Troll Voice]
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240 is just talking out of his ass .
''Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.''
Mike Tyson
Excellent quote.
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In Bath Michigan more kids were killed and NOT ONE gun was used.
He did use a gun to detonate a bomb!
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He did use a gun to detonate a bomb!
Not the one that killed the children
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So the gun industry is to blame for the acts of lunatics? ???
No, they are to blame for making it possible for LUNATICS to kill masses of people in a short period of time!
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You cower in the corner and hope for the best. I don't mind people who don't want to own a gun , but to say I can't , seriously
But doesn't America prevent other countries from developing NUKES or other weapons of Mass destruction. If these inanimate objects don't kill people, what are they so afraid of. Why restrict ownership of anything then? If I can responsibly own a nuclear device, what's the problem?
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But doesn't America prevent other countries from developing NUKES or other weapons of Mass destruction. If these inanimate objects don't kill people, what are they so afraid of. Why restrict ownership of anything then? If I can responsibly own a nuclear device, what's the problem?
Beyond lame , not even worthy of a response.
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No, they are to blame for making it possible for LUNATICS to kill masses of people in a short period of time!
Keep trying to shift the responsibility to everyone and everything other than the asshole who did this.
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Why? ()
Because people are
fucking incomprehensible.
"Why?"
Michael Clayton
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Why? ()
Because people are
fucking incomprehensible.
"Why?"
Michael Clayton
Awesome movie.
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No, they are to blame for making it possible for LUNATICS to kill masses of people in a short period of time!
Dudes no lunatic, it was essentially a suicide. A dramatic suicide but still a suicide.
These's aren't crimes of lunes, there by people that are quite sane.
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I think America is at a crossroad, if they refuse to change now, this is what they can look forward to from now on, it will be unsafe to go to the Shopping Mall, the Movie theatre, the School, the Grocery store, essentially, their will be nowhere you can be safe. And all for what, so some lunatics can go to the shooting range and enhance their deficient personalities, pathetic egos and lack of manhood by shooting at targets. America has become a perverse parody of what a Good Country should be, they are the least FREE, the least SAFE, the least CARING, the least ENLIGHTENED of all the first world countries. They have become the laughing stock of the First World.
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Grandpa always thought America was at a crossroads, but he always said that is what made America Great. No matter which road you cross, you are still in America.
No better words to live by than those.
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I think America is at a crossroad, if they refuse to change now, this is what they can look forward to from now on, it will be unsafe to go to the Shopping Mall, the Movie theatre, the School, the Grocery store, essentially, their will be nowhere you can be safe. And all for what, so some lunatics can go to the shooting range and enhance their deficient personalities, pathetic egos and lack of manhood by shooting at targets. America has become a perverse parody of what a Good Country should be, they are the least FREE, the least SAFE, the least CARING, the least ENLIGHTENED of all the first world countries. They have become the laughing stock of the First World.
Grandpa used to pick the boys up from little league and take them camping with a quick stop for ice cream. Do that nowadays and you end up in jail. Its a sign of the times.
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Grandpa always thought America was at a crossroads, but he always said that is what made America Great. No matter which road you cross, you are still in America.
No better words to live by than those.
Masses of children aren't brutally murdered while at school in Great Countries! Grandpa was an idiot!
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Masses of children aren't brutally murdered while at school in Great Countries! Grandpa was an idiot!
Grandpa always said if anyone was going to do a mass shooting, it would be the japs. Turns out he was right afterall.
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Grandpa always said if anyone was going to do a mass shooting, it would be the japs. Turns out he was right afterall.
El oh fucking el.
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Grandpa always said if anyone was going to do a mass shooting, it would be the japs. Turns out he was right afterall.
Grandma always said Grandpa was a senile old fool who spoke nothing but Nonsense. Turns out she was right after all!
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Keep trying to shift the responsibility to everyone and everything other than the asshole who did this.
I don't think we are talking about blame so much as prevention. There is little value in blaming someone for something. It hasn't been proven to deter others from going off the deep end and killing hoards of people.
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The Mother was a GUN NUTTER, so much for having Guns for protection, she was murdered with her own GUN. You would have to be pretty NAIVE to think owning guns makes you SAFER, it makes you more vulnerable, just like the studies show. Gun Ownership is more likely to get you killed or seriously injured. Gun Nutters aren't too bright though, and ruled by their obsessive drives.
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Grandpa taught us all at young age how to polish his rifle.
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Grandpa taught us all at young age how to polish his rifle.
yes Adonis please regale us with more stories of your dear old granpappy :)
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Grandpa taught us all at young age how to polish his rifle.
What! You polished your GRANDPAS RIFLE!
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yes Adonis please regale us with more stories of your dear old granpappy :)
Grandpas legacy will definitely carry on to the next generation and I will see to it that every story gets told.
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What! You polished your GRANDPAS RIFLE!
This is one of the most useful things a man can learn, especially when taught by a Grandpa with experience. Grandpa was at Guadalcanal and had the cleanest rifle in the whole company. It was an honor to polish his rifle. That is, if he even asked you to do it.
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Stop already. LMFAO
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Growing atheism is why suicide rates are increasing both in north america and europe among teens AND adults. And to think there's an economic depression that's coming.
Do you realize that what are you saying is: "Growing overall education is why suicide rates are increasing both in north america and europe among teens AND adults. And to think there's an economic depression that's coming."
It's either that or you actually don't know what the word "atheist" means. Atheism is NOT an ideology or a conscious "choice", just like a kid who reached an age of reason and figured that parents and NOT Santa puts these gifts under an x-mass tree (a process of education/constructive thinking happened and thus - a realization, that's more in tact with an actual reality) - he won't be able to "believe in santa" once again, no matter what. You won't continue to crawl after you learn how to walk, as a baby, unless you are mentally ill to begin with.
White people will survive, black people will survive or muslims will occupy the world... Basically - just kill each other till' the strongest and smartest wins and life prevails once again (by destroying other life)... round and round.. Very christian, very peaceful and very.............making sense.
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This is one of the most useful things a man can learn, especially when taught by a Grandpa with experience. Grandpa was at Guadalcanal and had the cleanest rifle in the whole company. It was an honor to polish his rifle. That is, if he even asked you to do it.
I am sure GRANDPA thoroughly enjoyed Children polishing his RIFLE!
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Actually, Communities were ATHEISTS are predominant have less homicides than religious communities, the majority of the UNITED STATES are religious, only a tiny fraction are atheists. It is RELIGIOUS Communities that are the MOST violent.
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Actually, Communities were ATHEISTS are predominant have less homicides than religious communities, the majority of the UNITED STATES are religious, only a tiny fraction are atheists. It is RELIGIOUS Communities that are the MOST violent.
Statistics, performed by Gallup Media, some years ago, clearly show that in US jails, absolute majority of people refer themselve as "religious", mostly - christian/catholics (well, it's west, that's expected), while just a fraction considers themselves - atheists.
By these same statistics - 93% of members of National Science Academy of US are atheists, 7% - agnostics (and maybe a tiny fraction among these - somewhat religious and "believers").
More statistics: AN interesting correlation: the higher the average IQ of a country, the less people who believe in God, and vice versa (talk Africa).
I could continue, but basically what I wanted to say - before using a word ATHEIST - at least find the fukk out what does that mean.
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who would you rather save, these kids or the potus in that situation?
If I was the teacher?
The students safety would be my first priority, Secret Service could do their job and protect the pOTUS. If the Secret Service weren't present, the pOTUS better be helping me save the kids.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/15/Report-Connecticut-Shooting-Was-A-Revenge-Killing
Need more details on this.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/adam-lanzas-mom-pulled-school-relative/t/story?id=17985433
Undiagnosed mental illness.
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This
''Mass killers tend to be profoundly frustrated and despondent over life's disappointments, isolated from family and friends who might be in a position to provide comfort and support, and see themselves as the victim of undeserved mistreatment and unfairness. For them, the act of murder against certain people seen as responsible for their misfortune, if not against a corrupt society in general, is justified. Successful and fulfilled people, by contrast, have little need for vengeance or reason to wreak havoc in such a dramatic and public fashion.
Mass murderers often reserve their last deadly round for themselves or stand ready to be killed by police at the scene. For many, especially older assailants who have endured long years of perceived mistreatment, life on Earth becomes meaningless. They are prepared to die so long as they first achieve sufficient payback by becoming the powerful one who gets to dispense the misery. Yet even those assailants who, like the accused shooter in Colorado, willingly surrender do so knowing that they had successfully accomplished their mission: not only have they shared the pain, but they established themselves as a fearsome and dominant force in the eyes of the world.
So if there is a common pattern to these shootings and those responsible for the carnage, what does that suggest about predictability and prevention? Unfortunately, not much is readily available to help reduce the risk.
The difficult and sad truth is that thousands upon thousands of Americans share these same characteristics. There is a vast pool of people who fail to reach their ambitions, blame others or "the system" for their troubles, and have inadequate social support, yet very few will pick up a gun in response. Although the mass killer profile is predictable, their exact identifies are not. Mass murderers often exhibit telltale warning signs in their behavior or words, but these become clear only with hindsight. These so-called "red flags" are actually yellow ones that turn red only after the bloodletting.
Tighter controls on firearms licensing and sales would help to curtail our nation's high rate of gun violence, but not neccessarily this extreme form of violence. The fact is that most mass murderers, despite their readiness for violence and psychological impairment, do not have official records of criminality or mental illness that would disqualify them from gun ownership.''
good post.
what if the "thousands" of disgruntled americans is actually "millions", in reality?
if these "mass killings" are symptomatic of widespread malaise, maybe they're actually helpful?
a "wake up" call for society, similar to pain-response in the body? and we keep misinterpreting the shootings, or pain-response, as evil, because they are unpleasant?
anyone consider this?
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Do you realize that what are you saying is: "Growing overall education is why suicide rates are increasing both in north america and europe among teens AND adults. And to think there's an economic depression that's coming."
And?
What's your point?
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good post.
what if the "thousands" of disgruntled americans is actually "millions", in reality?
if these "mass killings" are symptomatic of widespread malaise, maybe they're actually helpful?
a "wake up" call for society, similar to pain-response in the body? and we keep misinterpreting the shootings, or pain-response, as evil, because they are unpleasant?
anyone consider this?
Yes, the shootings are a sign of a desperately mentally ILL Society and CULTURE, comprised of people with strange ideologies, skewed priorities and a fundamental lack of concern for anyone else but themselves. From an outsiders perspective, America seems like a terrible place to live, full of violence, extremists and sociopaths. The average American seems delusional, fearful. angry, self obsessed and lacking in reasonableness and intelligence. JMO
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Yes, the shootings are a sign of a desperately mentally ILL Society and CULTURE, comprised of people with strange ideologies, skewed priorities and a fundamental lack of concern for anyone else but themselves. From an outsiders perspective, America seems like a terrible place to live, full of violence, extremists and sociopaths. The average American seems delusional, fearful. angry, self obsessed and lacking in reasonableness and intelligence. JMO
I'm glad you agree.
All I have to add is that, from an insider's perspective, American can be pretty awesome ;D
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The year with the most mass murders was 1929.
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I think America is at a crossroad, if they refuse to change now, this is what they can look forward to from now on, it will be unsafe to go to the Shopping Mall, the Movie theatre, the School, the Grocery store, essentially, their will be nowhere you can be safe. And all for what, so some lunatics can go to the shooting range and enhance their deficient personalities, pathetic egos and lack of manhood by shooting at targets. America has become a perverse parody of what a Good Country should be, they are the least FREE, the least SAFE, the least CARING, the least ENLIGHTENED of all the first world countries. They have become the laughing stock of the First World.
You sound just like the nutts you're lamenting about. You're obsessed with America , American politics and American people , you already admitted you don't give a damn about the children who died all you're doing is trolling and speaking on topics you have no experience with at all
As American we don't care what Australia thinks about us of the rest of the world. Worry about your country instead of obsessing on ours.
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You sound just like the nutts you're lamenting about. You're obsessed with America , American politics and American people , you already admitted you don't give a damn about the children who died all you're doing is trolling and speaking on topics you have no experience with at all
As American we don't care what Australia thinks about us of the rest of the world. Worry about your country instead of obsessing on ours.
In a nation of 300 million people , unless we have a communist repressive society, bullshit is going to happen.
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Masses of children aren't brutally murdered while at school in Great Countries! Grandpa was an idiot!
Stop crying crocodile tears for the children you already admitted you didn't give a damn about them , you're like the opportunistic vultures who smells blood after a tragedy like this to spout your bullshit. You're to obsessed with America
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Stop crying crocodile tears for the children you already admitted you didn't give a damn about them , you're like the opportunistic vultures who smells blood after a tragedy like this to spout your bullshit. You're to obsessed with America
Grandpa always said their would always be folk who will stubbornly hold on to ideas and beliefs, even when they know their wrong! Grandpa said most fools were dedicated to staying that way!
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The List of Discrepancies:
List of Discrepancies (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2082704/pg1)
The Medical Examiner:
Medical Examiner (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2082381/pg1)
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So far this year, more than 140 people have been killed or injured in mass shootings in the United States.
There have been 70 mass shootings in America between 1982 and 2012, and of those seven occurred this year
45 per cent of those killed in mass shootings in the past 30 years were killed since 2007.
Each year nearly 100,000 people are wounded or killed by gunfire in America
A million people have been killed since the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy in 1968.
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Most are Gangbangers and druggies. Take out urban yute crime from da hood and you get a much different picture.
So far this year, more than 140 people have been killed or injured in mass shootings in the United States.
There have been 70 mass shootings in America between 1982 and 2012, and of those seven occurred this year
45 per cent of those killed in mass shootings in the past 30 years were killed since 2007.
Each year nearly 100,000 people are wounded or killed by gunfire in America
A million people have been killed since the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy in 1968.
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Grandpa always said their would always be folk who will stubbornly hold on to ideas and beliefs, even when they know their wrong! Grandpa said most fools were dedicated to staying that way!
Keep worrying about America ;)
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So far this year, more than 140 people have been killed or injured in mass shootings in the United States.
There have been 70 mass shootings in America between 1982 and 2012, and of those seven occurred this year
45 per cent of those killed in mass shootings in the past 30 years were killed since 2007.
Each year nearly 100,000 people are wounded or killed by gunfire in America
A million people have been killed since the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy in 1968.
This year 440 THOUSAND died from cigarettes PER YEAR yet I don't see you screaming for their ban , you have an agenda
Smoking kills more people than alcohol, AIDS, car crashes, illegal drugs, murders, and suicides combined — and thousands more die from other tobacco-related causes — such as fires caused by smoking (more than 1,000 deaths/year nationwide) and smokeless tobacco use.
Keep worrying about us , we like that you get so emotional
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Since we're not allowed to politicize people that have died in shootings, I would like to propose we do something for those of you that will die in the near future from the next (apparently) unavoidable mass murder. Since you are still alive, and walking around for a while, I think it's okay to talk about you. Sorry you're going to get killed, but guns don't kill people, people do. Please remember that when you have a weapon pointed at you.
And don’t tarnish our gun laws with your memory. Just remember, your death is in the constitution and we don’t want to hear you whining about anything. One of these days, someone is going to stop one of these shootings with the 300 million guns available. Sorry it isn’t your mass murder that will be prevented, and it probably won’t be the next one, or the one after that, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
Slave-owners from the 18th century, with an infinite wisdom that will never bend to the trendy anti-murder crowd, made the rules. Who are we to change them?
Above all, I would like you to go quietly. Sure, our thoughts and prayers will go out to you after you’ve bled out, but after a couple of days, we’ll be back to business as usual. We’ve got gun shows to attend, thank you very much.
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Since we're not allowed to politicize people that have died in shootings, I would like to propose we do something for those of you that will die in the near future from the next (apparently) unavoidable mass murder. Since you are still alive, and walking around for a while, I think it's okay to talk about you. Sorry you're going to get killed, but guns don't kill people, people do. Please remember that when you have a weapon pointed at you.
And don’t tarnish our gun laws with your memory. Just remember, your death is in the constitution and we don’t want to hear you whining about anything. One of these days, someone is going to stop one of these shootings with the 300 million guns available. Sorry it isn’t your mass murder that will be prevented, and it probably won’t be the next one, or the one after that, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
Slave-owners from the 18th century, with an infinite wisdom that will never bend to the trendy anti-murder crowd, made the rules. Who are we to change them?
Above all, I would like you to go quietly. Sure, our thoughts and prayers will go out to you after you’ve bled out, but after a couple of days, we’ll be back to business as usual. We’ve got gun shows to attend, thank you very much.
guns are objects and are used to shoot paper targets, are you telling me you can kill people with them ?
that's really dangerous, and NOT what they were designed for !!
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And?
What's your point?
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Education and people becoming more intelligent,in Ubermans mind is associated with a "negative" outcome (let's get back to middle ages.. No.. even better - about 500 B.C.).
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guns are objects and are used to shoot paper targets, are you telling me you can kill people with them ?
that's really dangerous, and NOT what they were designed for !!
You can't escape the human element in firearms , a gun is a tool that has multiple uses it can be used correctly or abused that's all contingent on the human's desires
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Since we're not allowed to politicize people that have died in shootings, I would like to propose we do something for those of you that will die in the near future from the next (apparently) unavoidable mass murder. Since you are still alive, and walking around for a while, I think it's okay to talk about you. Sorry you're going to get killed, but guns don't kill people, people do. Please remember that when you have a weapon pointed at you.
And don’t tarnish our gun laws with your memory. Just remember, your death is in the constitution and we don’t want to hear you whining about anything. One of these days, someone is going to stop one of these shootings with the 300 million guns available. Sorry it isn’t your mass murder that will be prevented, and it probably won’t be the next one, or the one after that, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
Slave-owners from the 18th century, with an infinite wisdom that will never bend to the trendy anti-murder crowd, made the rules. Who are we to change them?
Above all, I would like you to go quietly. Sure, our thoughts and prayers will go out to you after you’ve bled out, but after a couple of days, we’ll be back to business as usual. We’ve got gun shows to attend, thank you very much.
LMFAO! ;D
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Since we're not allowed to politicize people that have died in shootings, I would like to propose we do something for those of you that will die in the near future from the next (apparently) unavoidable mass murder. Since you are still alive, and walking around for a while, I think it's okay to talk about you. Sorry you're going to get killed, but guns don't kill people, people do. Please remember that when you have a weapon pointed at you.
And don’t tarnish our gun laws with your memory. Just remember, your death is in the constitution and we don’t want to hear you whining about anything. One of these days, someone is going to stop one of these shootings with the 300 million guns available. Sorry it isn’t your mass murder that will be prevented, and it probably won’t be the next one, or the one after that, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
Slave-owners from the 18th century, with an infinite wisdom that will never bend to the trendy anti-murder crowd, made the rules. Who are we to change them?
Above all, I would like you to go quietly. Sure, our thoughts and prayers will go out to you after you’ve bled out, but after a couple of days, we’ll be back to business as usual. We’ve got gun shows to attend, thank you very much.
Millions of people have safely used ephedra for years but then one out of shape fat fucker (Korey Stringer) died and they banned ephedra for everyone else .
More laws = less freedom
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Millions of people have safely used ephedra for years but then one out of shape fat fucker (Korey Stringer) died and they banned ephedra for everyone else .
More laws = less freedom
Truth. And more laws people don't intend to follow
The CT killer broke the following laws , murder , suicide ( yes against the law ) theft ( of the mothers firearms ) possession of firearms without a licence , possession of ammo with a licence , transporting firearms & ammo unlawfully , bringing guns onto a gun-free school zone , etc
Lets pass more laws that A) wont stop people from doing evil things and B) punish people who never did anything wrong
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Truth. And more laws people don't intend to follow
The CT killer broke the following laws , murder , suicide ( yes against the law ) theft ( of the mothers firearms ) possession of firearms without a licence , possession of ammo with a licence , transporting firearms & ammo unlawfully , bringing guns onto a gun-free school zone , etc
Lets pass more laws that A) wont stop people from doing evil things and B) punish people who never did anything wrong
typical american't reaction to anything
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typical american't reaction to anything
The irony is CT has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. All designed and created to prevent things like this :-\
The real issue is mental health
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The irony is CT has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. All designed and created to prevent things like this :-\
The real issue is mental health
Don't get me wrong I think we need stronger gun regulations no because what happened in CT but because I know (personally)a lot of people that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun .
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Don't get me wrong I think we need stronger gun regulations no because what happened in CT but because I know (personally)a lot of people that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun .
Have those people killed anyone yet? The ones who you think should not own one?
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Have those people killed anyone yet? The ones who you think should not own one?
Long story short , this is a family of Ironworkers ,Dad and three sons ,they all own many guns ,the oldest kid committed suicide about 8 years ago ,the youngest lost it ,he's really fucked up in the head now, about two years ago he shot his dad over stupid argument , he didn't kill him but he ended up in the nut house , now he's out ,he lives alone , still own many guns ,he's still a fucking lunatic.
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Long story short , this is a family of Ironworkers ,Dad and three sons ,they all own many guns ,the oldest kid committed suicide about 8 years ago ,the youngest lost it ,he's really fucked up in the head now, about two years ago he shot his dad over stupid argument , he didn't kill him but he ended up in the nut house , now he's out ,he lives alone , still own many guns ,he's still a fucking lunatic.
Its clear that guns did not make that family any less sane. Perhaps guns are what they need so they can end themselves of their insanity. :-\
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Perhaps guns are what they need so they can end themselves of their insanity. :-\
I agree
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The Mother was a GUN NUTTER, so much for having Guns for protection, she was murdered with her own GUN. You would have to be pretty NAIVE to think owning guns makes you SAFER, it makes you more vulnerable, just like the studies show. Gun Ownership is more likely to get you killed or seriously injured. Gun Nutters aren't too bright though, and ruled by their obsessive drives.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=451549.0;attach=496301;image)
One incident does not prove anything and it does not help your case at all that we are dealing with a mentally disturbed individual here. Also, what is wrong with you?
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One incident does not prove anything and it does not help your case at all that we are dealing with a mentally disturbed individual here. Also, what is wrong with you?
That's E-Kul
(http://i.imgur.com/2sVtQ.gif)
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SOUTHBURY, Conn. (AP) — At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza had trouble relating to fellow students and teachers, but that was only part of his problem. He seemed not to feel physical or psychological pain in the same way as classmates.
Richard Novia, the school district's head of security until 2008, who also served as adviser for the school technology club, said Lanza clearly "had some disabilities."
"If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically," Novia told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "It was my job to pay close attention to that."
Novia was responsible for monitoring students as they used soldering tools and other potentially dangerous electrical equipment.
He recalled meeting with school guidance counselors, administrators and with the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, to understand his problems and find ways to ensure his safety. But there were other crises only a mother could solve.
"He would have an episode, and she'd have to return or come to the high school and deal with it," Novia said, describing how the young man would sometimes withdraw completely "from whatever he was supposed to be doing," whether it was sitting in class or reading a book.
Adam Lanza "could take flight, which I think was the big issue, and it wasn't a rebellious or defiant thing," Novia said. "It was withdrawal."
Authorities on Saturday continued a wide-ranging investigating into the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, trying to understand what led the young man to kill his mother in their home and then slaughter 26 children and adults at a Connecticut elementary school before taking his own life.
A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation, said Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger's, a milder form of autism. People with the disorder tend to function poorly socially but can be highly intelligent.
If he did have Asperger's, his lack of sensation could be related to the disorder, said psychologist Elizabeth Laugeson, an assistant clinical professor at the University of California, Los Angeles. People with Asperger's can be overly sensitive to things like touch, noise and pain, or sometimes under-sensitive, she said.
Back in their teenage years, Adam and his older brother, Ryan, were both members of the tech club, which offered students a chance to work on computers, videotape school events and produce public-access broadcasts.
It was popular among socially awkward students. But Adam, while clearly smart, had problems that went beyond an adolescent lack of social skills, Novia said.
"You had yourself a very scared young boy, who was very nervous around people he could trust or he refused to speak with," Novia said.
The club provided a setting for students to build lasting friendships. But while other members were acquainted with Adam, none was close to him.
"Have you found his best friend? Have you found a friend?" Novia asked. "You're not going to. He was a loner."
Adam was not physically bullied, although he may have been teased, Novia said.
The club gave the boy a place where he could be more at ease and indulge his interest in computers. His anxieties appeared to ease somewhat, but they never disappeared. When people approached him in the hallways, he would press himself against the wall or walk in a different direction, clutching tight to his black case.
"The behavior would be more like an 8-year-old who refuses to give up his teddy bear," Novia said. "What you knew with Adam is it was a possession. It was not a possession to be put at risk."
Even so, Novia said, his primary concern was that Adam might become a target for abuse by his fellow students, not that he might become a threat.
"Somewhere along in the last four years, there were significant changes that led to what has happened," Novia said. "I could never have foreseen him doing that."
Jim McDade, who lives a few houses from where Nancy Lanza was slain, said his family became acquainted with the two brothers and their mother because their children were about the same ages and rode the school bus together.
"There was certainly no indication of anything unusual that lets you think that a kid's going to do something like that," said McDade, who works in finance in New York. "There was nothing that would indicate anything going on behind the scenes that would lead to this horrible mess."
He recalled Adam Lanza as "a very bright kid."
Olivia DeVivo, a student at the University of Connecticut, was in Adam Lanza's 10th grade English class.
"He was very different and very shy and didn't make an effort to interact with anybody," she said.
DeVivo said Lanza always carried a briefcase and wore his shirts buttoned up to the top button. She said he seemed bright but never really participated in class.
"Now looking back, it's kind of like 'OK, he had all these signs,' but you can't say every shy person would do something like this."
Lanza's family was struggling to make sense of what happened and "trying to find whatever answers we can," his father, Peter Lanza, said in a statement late Saturday that also expressed sympathy for the victims' families.
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Associated Press writers Michael Melia and Jim Fitzgerald in Newtown, Conn., Denise Lavoie in Stamford, Conn., and Stephanie Nano in New York contributed to this report.
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I think it's okay to talk about you. Sorry you're going to get killed, but guns don't kill people, people do. Please remember that when you have a weapon pointed at you
If someone is pointing a gun at you, you blame the gun?
If someone is going to stab you, you're going to blame the knife? You're going to be just as dead either way.
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Gunman had "altercation" with school staff day before masssacre
NBC News ^ | December 15, 2012 | Tracy Connor
Posted on December 15, 2012 1:03:16 PM EST by xsrdx
The gunman in the Newtown massacre had an "altercation" with four staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School the day before he killed 20 children, six adults and himself there, Connecticut and federal officials told NBC News Saturday.
Three of the four staff members were killed Friday in one of the worst school shootings in U.S. history. The fourth staff member was not at school that day and is being interviewed by federal and state investigators, NBC News’ Pete Williams said.
Two days before that, Adam Lanza, 20, went to a sporting goods store in Danbury, Conn., and tried to purchase a rifle, but was rebuffed because the state has a waiting period for gun sales, the officials said.
(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.nbcnews.com ...
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See, there s always an explanation.
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tried to purchase a rifle, but was rebuffed because the state has a waiting period for gun sales, the officials said.
Hmm.......
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Hmm.......
Makes no sense when he had an AR in the car
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http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-detailed-account-yet-of-the-sandy-hook-massacre-2012-12
Lot of details.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-detailed-account-yet-of-the-sandy-hook-massacre-2012-12
Lot of details.
Why are elementary school teachers so young these days? When I was in elementary school, it was all old ladies. ???
(http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/50cde06c69bedd950300002b-464-394-295/katlin-roig-sandy-hook-2.png)
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I personally believe that having children probably should be a requirement in order to be an elementary school teacher.
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Makes no sense when he had an AR in the car
I was wondering about that. One news site I read said he had an AR in the car, but not others. Was it confirmed or just more media BS?
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Why are elementary school teachers so young these days? When I was in elementary school, it was all old ladies. ???
(http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/50cde06c69bedd950300002b-464-394-295/katlin-roig-sandy-hook-2.png)
WYHI?
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/adam-lanzas-mom-pulled-school-relative/t/story?id=17985433
Undiagnosed mental illness.
If someone is home schooling their kids and they're not millionaires in business or living a life off the land, then the kids are probably being molested from the creepy parent(s)
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If someone is home schooling their kids and they're not millionaires in business or living a life off the land, then the kids are probably being molested from the creepy parent(s)
They were millionaires.
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Bob Costas should be brought in for questioning and have his back round gone through with a fine tooth comb.
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guns are objects and are used to shoot paper targets, are you telling me you can kill people with them ?
that's really dangerous, and NOT what they were designed for !!
Groink
the drugs you
were arrested with
are not designed
to be used
recreationaly
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Groink
the drugs you
were arrested with
are not designed
to be used
recreationaly
Ouch!
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Groink
the drugs you
were arrested with
are not designed
to be used
recreationaly
Someone got burned
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I have trouble recalling any woman doing this.
Remember Laurie Dann?
En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann
Crazy as hell. Stuffed meat in couch cushions and left it to rot.
Uberman will appreciate that her upbringing was determined to have caused her mental instability
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Remember Laurie Dann?
En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann
Crazy as hell. Stuffed meat in couch cushions and left it to rot.
Uberman will appreciate that her upbringing was determined to have caused her mental instability
Oh yah that one! Lady was a beast.
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:D
http://www.naturalnews.com/038187_gun_buyback_flu_shot_Massachesetts.html#ixzz2E0hNzubx
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:D
http://www.naturalnews.com/038187_gun_buyback_flu_shot_Massachesetts.html#ixzz2E0hNzubx
LMFAO
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:D
http://www.naturalnews.com/038187_gun_buyback_flu_shot_Massachesetts.html#ixzz2E0hNzubx
ZOMG lol.
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http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure
Obamas fault
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Connecticut gunman attended school where he killed 26, governor says
NBC ^ | 12/16/12 | M. Alex Johnson
Posted on December 16, 2012 3:20:49 PM EST by jimbo123
An explanation still hasn't emerged for why a man killed 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School, but it does appear that he attended the school as a youngster, Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy told NBC News on Sunday.
Adam Lanza, 20, shot his mother multiple times in the head in her home before driving to the school in her car and killing 20 children and six adults in two classrooms Friday in Newtown, Conn., authorities said Sunday. The gunman then shot himself in the head as emergency crews arrived at the scene.
(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.nbcnews.com ...
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Connecticut gunman attended school where he killed 26, governor says
NBC ^ | 12/16/12 | M. Alex Johnson
Posted on December 16, 2012 3:20:49 PM EST by jimbo123
An explanation still hasn't emerged for why a man killed 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School, but it does appear that he attended the school as a youngster, Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy told NBC News on Sunday.
Adam Lanza, 20, shot his mother multiple times in the head in her home before driving to the school in her car and killing 20 children and six adults in two classrooms Friday in Newtown, Conn., authorities said Sunday. The gunman then shot himself in the head as emergency crews arrived at the scene.
(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.nbcnews.com ...
Probably angry that snack time never went the way it was supposed to.
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I am mildly amused by the people posting up the gun homocide statistics from Britain and peacocking over them. Let's see how happy you are being disarmed in about 10 years when Muslim and North African scum overruns the U.K. and you get sharia law forced down you throat.
Mark my words, that day is coming.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
we are here
we are live
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Oh Brother!, Not only was the Shooters Mum a Gun Nut she was a PREPPER. A person who prepares for social chaos by hoarding supplies and training with weapons. What an idiot, how about just focusing on getting through each day and making sure your son doesn't commit mass murder killing you in the process. Their is so much tolerance for CRAZIES in America, if someone we knew began hoarding food, collecting weapons and talking about the end of the world, well, that would be a sure sign of serious mental illness and the Nut House wouldn't be too far away. But in America, thinking like that is NORMAL for most folk, what a strange place America is!
So the Mother was a Disturbed Nut JoB who raised her child to believe THE END OF THE WORLD WAS COMING, kid never had a chance. He probably thought he was doing those kids a favour, putting them out of their misery because the end was just around the corner. The Mother looks like a complete idiot now, preparing for economic collapse and she gets murdered by her own son, what an Idiot!
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Oh Brother!, Not only was the Shooters Mum a Gun Nut she was a PREPPER. A person who prepares for social chaos by hoarding supplies and training with weapons. What an idiot, how about just focusing on getting through each day and making sure your son doesn't commit mass murder killing you in the process. Their is so much tolerance for CRAZIES in America, if someone we knew began hoarding food, collecting weapons and talking about the end of the world, well, that would be a sure sign of serious mental illness and the Nut House wouldn't be too far away. But in America, thinking like that is NORMAL for most folk, what a strange place America is!
So the Mother was a Disturbed Nut JoB who raised her child to believe THE END OF THE WORLD WAS COMING, kid never had a chance. He probably thought he was doing those kids a favour, putting them out of their misery because the end was just around the corner. The Mother looks like a complete idiot now, preparing for economic collapse and she gets murdered by her own son, what an Idiot!
Source that she was a doomsday prepper?
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Source that she was a doomsday prepper?
https://www.google.com/ (https://www.google.com/)
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https://www.google.com/ (https://www.google.com/)
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The Westboro Baptist Church is planning to picket the Newton school shooting site!!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57559468-93/hackers-target-westboro-baptist-church-after-newtown-threat/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57559468-93/hackers-target-westboro-baptist-church-after-newtown-threat/)
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/16/15946559-very-heavily-armed-gunman-shot-mother-multiple-times-before-killing-26-at-connecticut-school-police-say?lite
This dude was batshit crazy.
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Obama to speak to nation shortly about the attack
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-worse-article-1.1221505
Mutant freak of nature!
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Oh Brother!, Not only was the Shooters Mum a Gun Nut she was a PREPPER. A person who prepares for social chaos by hoarding supplies and training with weapons. What an idiot, how about just focusing on getting through each day and making sure your son doesn't commit mass murder killing you in the process. Their is so much tolerance for CRAZIES in America, if someone we knew began hoarding food, collecting weapons and talking about the end of the world, well, that would be a sure sign of serious mental illness and the Nut House wouldn't be too far away. But in America, thinking like that is NORMAL for most folk, what a strange place America is!
So the Mother was a Disturbed Nut JoB who raised her child to believe THE END OF THE WORLD WAS COMING, kid never had a chance. He probably thought he was doing those kids a favour, putting them out of their misery because the end was just around the corner. The Mother looks like a complete idiot now, preparing for economic collapse and she gets murdered by her own son, what an Idiot!
Your idiotic posts remind me of Vince Basile.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-worse-article-1.1221505
Read!
This was a freak of nature.
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What they need to ban is white people isolating themselves in rural areas in America
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Why is Ali G at the memorial and who is gonna clean all that up?
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1221656!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/jonathan-lanza.jpg)
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Why is Ali G at the memorial and who is gonna clean all that up?
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1221656!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/jonathan-lanza.jpg)
What a fuking asshole! Tebowing at a memorial
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Your idiotic posts remind me of Vince Basile.
Your posts remind me of a Mentally ill person projecting your own Mental illness onto everyone else, it doesn't surprise me that you strongly identify with a Bat Shit crazy Gun Nutter who raised a mass murdering teenager who shot his own bat shit crazy mum as well as dozens of innocent children. Getbiggers like yourself are particularly frightening, I am so glad I live in Australia were Gun Nutters are seen as sociopathic and deviant whackjobs by the majority of citizens. Sadly for America, the mental illness that is Gun Worship has reached epidemic proportions were it is now perceived as NORMAL behaviour. You know a Culture has lost it's way when psychotic and bizarre ideologies like Gun WORSHIP are now considered NORMAL. These regular mass shootings are an overt indication of a deeply sick and twisted Culture, these shooters are a reflection of the communities they live in.
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Your posts remind me of a Mentally ill person projecting your own Mental illness onto everyone else, it doesn't surprise me that you strongly identify with a Bat Shit crazy Gun Nutter who raised a mass murdering teenager who shot his own bat shit crazy mum as well as dozens of innocent children. Getbiggers like yourself are particularly frightening, I am so glad I live in Australia were Gun Nutters are seen as sociopathic and deviant whackjobs by the majority of citizens. Sadly for America, the mental illness that is Gun Worship has reached epidemic proportions were it is now perceived as NORMAL behaviour. You know a Culture has lost it's way when psychotic and bizarre ideologies like Gun WORSHIP are now considered NORMAL. These regular mass shootings are an overt indication of a deeply sick and twisted Culture, these shooters are a reflection of the communities they live in.
Go get eaten by a shark Crocodle Dundee.
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Your posts remind me of a Mentally ill person projecting your own Mental illness onto everyone else, it doesn't surprise me that you strongly identify with a Bat Shit crazy Gun Nutter who raised a mass murdering teenager who shot his own bat shit crazy mum as well as dozens of innocent children. Getbiggers like yourself are particularly frightening, I am so glad I live in Australia were Gun Nutters are seen as sociopathic and deviant whackjobs by the majority of citizens. Sadly for America, the mental illness that is Gun Worship has reached epidemic proportions were it is now perceived as NORMAL behaviour. You know a Culture has lost it's way when psychotic and bizarre ideologies like Gun WORSHIP are now considered NORMAL. These regular mass shootings are an overt indication of a deeply sick and twisted Culture, these shooters are a reflection of the communities they live in.
You're spawn of a convict, nothing more. Your great, great Grandpa was definitely a child molesting pedophile.
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http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2012/12/2-mass-shootings-connected-to-libor-2447738.html
Sort of CT.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-worse-article-1.1221505
Mutant freak of nature!
Kind of convenient to call the kid bathshit crazy and a freak of nature after he shoots up a bunch of kids. The sad things is, communities don't want to acknowledge that it is the culture, the environment, the very community itself that is batshit crazy and these incidents just highlight the fact. What is batshit crazy is that a young man can be part of a community and for all intents and purposes be considered NORMAL and then one day suddenly Shoot his own mother and dozens of children. Time to look at your communities as a whole, otherwise these incidents will continue happening.
The very first think any group does when their is FAILURE is to blame an individual, rather than look at themselves as a GROUP and how they failed a member within that Group. Groups that work well take responsibility for the failings of members of the group and identify their failures and rectify them, weak groups just blame an individual and never learn the inherent lesson from their failure, they are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, hence the reason mass shooting are a common occurrence in America as America is a WEAK Group, made up of self interested individuals all internally squabbling amongst each other.
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The Westboro Baptist Church is planning to picket the Newton school shooting site!!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57559468-93/hackers-target-westboro-baptist-church-after-newtown-threat/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57559468-93/hackers-target-westboro-baptist-church-after-newtown-threat/)
Complete nutters. I think kevin smith did a movie that used that church as an inspiration.
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Kind of convenient to call the kid bathshit crazy and a freak of nature after he shoots up a bunch of kids. The sad things is, communities don't want to acknowledge that it is the culture, the environment, the very community itself that is batshit crazy and these incidents just highlight the fact. What is batshit crazy is that a young man can be part of a community and for all intents and purposes be considered NORMAL and then one day suddenly Shoot his own mother and dozens of children. Time to look at your communities as a whole, otherwise these incidents will continue happening.
The very first think any group does when their is FAILURE is to blame an individual, rather than look at themselves as a GROUP and how they failed a member within that Group. Groups that work well take responsibility for the failings of members of the group and identify their failures and rectify them, weak groups just blame an individual and never learn the inherent lesson from their failure, they are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, hence the reason mass shooting are a common occurrence in America as America is a WEAK Group, made up of self interested individuals all internally squabbling amongst each other.
E-Kul
you come across
obsessed with
america dont
worry about
us we are
still better
than you
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Kind of convenient to call the kid bathshit crazy and a freak of nature after he shoots up a bunch of kids. The sad things is, communities don't want to acknowledge that it is the culture, the environment, the very community itself that is batshit crazy and these incidents just highlight the fact. What is batshit crazy is that a young man can be part of a community and for all intents and purposes be considered NORMAL and then one day suddenly Shoot his own mother and dozens of children. Time to look at your communities as a whole, otherwise these incidents will continue happening.
The very first think any group does when their is FAILURE is to blame an individual, rather than look at themselves as a GROUP and how they failed a member within that Group. Groups that work well take responsibility for the failings of members of the group and identify their failures and rectify them, weak groups just blame an individual and never learn the inherent lesson from their failure, they are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, hence the reason mass shooting are a common occurrence in America as America is a WEAK Group, made up of self interested individuals all internally squabbling amongst each other.
The superiority of America and Americans gnaws at you.
Accept it, let the anger go, come to the realization that we are better than you in EVERY way.
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Long story short , this is a family of Ironworkers ,Dad and three sons ,they all own many guns ,the oldest kid committed suicide about 8 years ago ,the youngest lost it ,he's really fucked up in the head now, about two years ago he shot his dad over stupid argument , he didn't kill him but he ended up in the nut house , now he's out ,he lives alone , still own many guns ,he's still a fucking lunatic.
I don't think you can go to a nut house and then legally own a gun. I believe you have to forfeit your right to own a firearm.
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So are they going to demolish that school? I can't imagine them using it as a school anymore. Maybe turn it into a psych hospital or something.
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I don't think you can go to a nut house and then legally own a gun. I believe you have to forfeit your right to own a firearm.
That's the law and nobody would break the law and illegally obtain a gun would they?
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That's the law and nobody would break the law and illegally obtain a gun would they?
Of course not, that is exactly why the gun ban in Chicago is working so well.
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I don't think you can go to a nut house and then legally own a gun. I believe you have to forfeit your right to own a firearm.
Technically, America is one giant NUTHOUSE! The SANE ones leave, the CRAZY ones stay and slowly become ever more demented and psychotic, all the while thinking the rest of the world is crazy, that is, the ones that are actually aware their are other countries.
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Technically, America is one giant NUTHOUSE!
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Technically, America is one giant NUTHOUSE! The SANE ones leave, the CRAZY ones stay and slowly become ever more demented and psychotic, all the while thinking the rest of the world is crazy, that is, the ones that are actually aware their are other countries.
Hey, aren't Australians the decendants of criminals?
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Technically, America is one giant NUTHOUSE! The SANE ones leave, the CRAZY ones stay and slowly become ever more demented and psychotic, all the while thinking the rest of the world is crazy, that is, the ones that are actually aware their are other countries.
Your family was exiled to a penal colony because your great, great Grandpa was a toddler toucher.
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Your family was exiled to a penal colony because your great, great Grandpa was a toddler toucher.
My Family is British! You know the people who ruled and civilised the world! and at its height, it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power! And at its height, it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. By 1922 the British Empire held sway over about 458 million people, one-fifth of the world's population at the time. The empire covered more than 33,700,000 km2 (13,012,000 sq mi), almost a quarter of the Earth's total land area. As a result, its political, legal, linguistic and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power it was often said that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" because its span across the globe ensured that the sun was always shining on at least one of its numerous territories.
Most people have heard of them, except the majority of Americans, who are Ignorant!
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My Family is English, sorry to burst your bubble!
So at least a few snuck off the boat.
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My Family is British! You know the people who ruled and civilised the world! and at its height, it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power!
We taught those assholes a lesson in 1783 and in 1812.
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My Family is British! You know the people who ruled and civilised the world! and at its height, it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power! And at its height, it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. By 1922 the British Empire held sway over about 458 million people, one-fifth of the world's population at the time. The empire covered more than 33,700,000 km2 (13,012,000 sq mi), almost a quarter of the Earth's total land area. As a result, its political, legal, linguistic and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power it was often said that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" because its span across the globe ensured that the sun was always shining on at least one of its numerous territories.
Most people have heard of them, except the majority of Americans, who are Ignorant!
Roman Empire > British Empire
Spanish Empire was first to be referred to as sun never setting on it.
You = angry little elf because American way of life is superior to yours in every way. I'm betting American tourists gang banged your wife while you were home doing housework.
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Technically, America is one giant NUTHOUSE! The SANE ones leave, the CRAZY ones stay and slowly become ever more demented and psychotic, all the while thinking the rest of the world is crazy, that is, the ones that are actually aware their are other countries.
How is it that you know so many of us Americans intimately enough to know if we are all demented and psychotic? Come to think of it, you've never met me, any of my family and probably none of my friends. Hmm, could be you are over stating your argument.
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My Family is British! You know the people who ruled and civilised the world! and at its height, it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power! And at its height, it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. By 1922 the British Empire held sway over about 458 million people, one-fifth of the world's population at the time. The empire covered more than 33,700,000 km2 (13,012,000 sq mi), almost a quarter of the Earth's total land area. As a result, its political, legal, linguistic and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power it was often said that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" because its span across the globe ensured that the sun was always shining on at least one of its numerous territories.
Most people have heard of them, except the majority of Americans, who are Ignorant!
Empires fall. If you are British, you are well aware of this.
I am American. Many of my ancestors immigrated to America from England prior to the Revolutionary War. They fought in that war and guess what? They won. So tell me again, who is it that's ignorant?
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Technically, America is one giant NUTHOUSE! The SANE ones leave, the CRAZY ones stay and slowly become ever more demented and psychotic, all the while thinking the rest of the world is crazy, that is, the ones that are actually aware their are other countries.
Technically, E-Kul is one giant NUTHOUSE
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324677204578183910797348422.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
They knew in hs he was nuts.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324677204578183910797348422.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
They knew in hs he was nuts.
Knowing a person is nuts and doing something about it is not as simple as it should be. In our society, we tend to give all people the benefit of doubt until they go off the deep end and do something drastic or even horrific like this man did. Many, if not most, mental patients are no longer in institutions or hospitals, but rather roaming the streets. Sometimes they literally live on the streets as half-way houses and group homes are not always available. In other words the person standing next to you on the street could be a mental case and could be dangerous to themselves and others. It is difficult if not next to impossible to commit someone who is an adult.
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Yes but this is the new liberal culture. No society, just individuals doing what "makes them feel good" until one day they wake up to what their pathetic lives have become, and kill themselves and somethimes others
The very first think any group does when their is FAILURE is to blame an individual, rather than look at themselves as a GROUP and how they failed a member within that Group. Groups that work well take responsibility for the failings of members of the group and identify their failures and rectify them, weak groups just blame an individual and never learn the inherent lesson from their failure, they are doomed to repeat the same mistakes,
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Aspergers my ass
20 children are massacred by a nutjob whose mother knew he shouldn't be around guns but fancied them anyways
I blame her
20 poor children are dead due to her negligence and her ignorance
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http://www.davidicke.com/articles/problem-reaction-solution-mainmenu-41/70830-problem-reaction-solution-in-your-face
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yes some higher power took over his brain
or beings with superior intelligence brain washed him
yep that's it
fucking moron
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yes some higher power took over his brain
or beings with superior intelligence brain washed him
yep that's it
fucking moron
Didn't David Icke once say that America was one big consumer testing ground for Europe, where the population is basically being experimented on to see what works and what's dangerous etc.
If true, at least there is one positive ,Europe has gleaned how idiotic it is to have a society that has a gun per head of population.
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Didn't David Icke once say that America was one big consumer testing ground for Europe, where the population is basically being experimented on to see what works and what's dangerous etc.
If true, at least there is one positive ,Europe has gleaned how idiotic it is to have a society that has a gun per head of population.
David Icke also believes lizard people run planet Earth, and he is serious! David Icke is a classic example that not all nutjobs go on mass shooting sprees! Don't get me wrong, I like David, but he is batshit CRAZY!
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idiots shouldn't have guns
responsible gun ownership is valid and a constitutional right
the mother knew the kid was mentally damaged
she should have had the guns in a SAFE behind a combination he did not know and never let him touch them
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Aspergers my ass
20 children are massacred by a nutjob whose mother knew he shouldn't be around guns but fancied them anyways
I blame her
20 poor children are dead due to her negligence and her ignorance
No Uberman, but blame the father as well for not being present in the boys life. Guy was a big CEO but didn't have time for his son.
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No Uberman, but blame the father as well for not being present in the boys life. Guy was a big CEO but didn't have time for his son.
fuckoff
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fuckoff
I agree with you
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idiots shouldn't have guns
responsible gun ownership is valid and a constitutional right
the mother knew the kid was mentally damaged
she should have had the guns in a SAFE behind a combination he did not know and never let him touch them
I agree w that from what I am reason.
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I agree with you
???
you called me Uberman >:(
and I don't blame the father , the guns were his mother's
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you called me Uberman >:(
and I don't blame the father , the guns were his mother's
No no no....
I meant it as "no homo, but....". So "not to sound like Uberman, but the boy was abandoned by his male role model. Bad shit always happens when dads run out on their kids. I Agree with your points as well.
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No no no....
I meant it as "no homo, but....". So "not to sound like Uberman, but the boy was abandoned by his male role model. Bad shit always happens when dads run out on their kids. I Agree with your points as well.
oh I get it now
your sentence structure threw me off
the kid was detached from everyone there was not anyone that could be close to him so it made no difference if the father was there or not to him , he didn't like anyone
that is why the mother should NEVER have had the guns in the house to begin with but since she was hell bent on having them she SHOULD have had a SAFE he couldn't get into
he had no empathy , no feelings , no sense and his mother knew it
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I wonder if the kid knew the combo?
oh I get it now
your sentence structure threw me off
the kid was detached from everyone there was not anyone that could be close to him so it made no difference if the father was there or not to him , he didn't like anyone
that is why the mother should NEVER have had the guns in the house to begin with but since she was hell bent on having them she SHOULD have had a SAFE he couldn't get into
he had no empathy , no feelings , no sense and his mother knew it
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I wonder if the kid knew the combo?
I doubt she had a safe , she probably just has an IKEA gun cabinet with a glass front
The guns could have been kept at the gun range also , they said she went target shooting regularly and took both sons
She was negligent , beyond words
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The kid was far from stupid, its not like he would have been unable to find the combination if there was a safe in the house.
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The kid was far from stupid, its not like he would have been unable to find the combination if there was a safe in the house.
Why would anyone with half a brain write the combo down ?
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Why would anyone with half a brain write the combo down ?
In case they forgot it.
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December 14, 2012 26 Dead Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, Connecticut
Adam Lanza
(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.thehollywoodgossip.com/assets.thehollywoodgossip.com/photos/full/xadam-lanza-yearbook-photo.jpg.pagespeed.b.ic.6mwdRZbokv.jpg)
July 20, 2012 12 dead Aurora, Colorado, Colorado Movie Theater Massacre
James Holmes
(http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/holmes-colorado-suspect.jpg)
January 8, 2011 6 dead Tucson, Arizona 2011 Tucson supermarket massacre
Jared Lee Loughner
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Jared_Loughner_sheriff%27s_office.jpg/220px-Jared_Loughner_sheriff%27s_office.jpg)
April 20, 1999 15 dead Columbine High School massacre Littleton, Colorado
Eric Harris
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Eric_Harris.JPG/200px-Eric_Harris.JPG)
Dylan Klebold
(http://www.nndb.com/people/922/000110592/dylan-klebold.jpg)
Sept 11, 2001 2,753 died World Trade Centers new york New York
GWB
(http://www.picanese.com/pbpics/george-w-bush-flipping-a-finger-stjw.jpg)
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December 14, 2012 26 Dead Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, Connecticut
Adam Lanza
(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.thehollywoodgossip.com/assets.thehollywoodgossip.com/photos/full/xadam-lanza-yearbook-photo.jpg.pagespeed.b.ic.6mwdRZbokv.jpg)
July 20, 2012 12 dead Aurora, Colorado, Colorado Movie Theater Massacre
James Holmes
(http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/holmes-colorado-suspect.jpg)
January 8, 2011 6 dead Tucson, Arizona 2011 Tucson supermarket massacre
Jared Lee Loughner
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Jared_Loughner_sheriff%27s_office.jpg/220px-Jared_Loughner_sheriff%27s_office.jpg)
April 20, 1999 15 dead Columbine High School massacre Littleton, Colorado
Eric Harris
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/08/Dylan_Klebold.JPG/200px-Dylan_Klebold.JPG)
(http://Dylan Klebold)
(http://www.nndb.com/people/922/000110592/dylan-klebold.jpg)
Sept 11, 2001 2,753 died World Trade Centers new york New York
GWB
(http://www.picanese.com/pbpics/george-w-bush-flipping-a-finger-stjw.jpg)
THE WHITE MENACE MUST BE STOPPED. FEMA CAMPS AND SLAVE LABOR!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
1927 bombing of school - 38 dead
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Notice they mostly all have those fucked up crazy eyes. Time to start picking out the crazy eyed people and liquidating them.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
1927 bombing of school - 38 dead
Thank you for putting some perspective on this. Crazy people doing horrific things is not something new.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanzas-former-babysitter-speaks-2012-12
They all knew
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Thank you for putting some perspective on this. Crazy people doing horrific things is not something new.
Perspective?
When you have to go back almost 100 years to find something to compare it with?
Looks like a lot more crazies now....
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Perspective?
When you have to go back almost 100 years to find something to compare it with?
Looks like a lot more crazies now....
Yeah and? A lot more people on drugs, poor, depressed, than ever.
Read this - they all knew
http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanzas-former-babysitter-speaks-2012-12
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Perspective?
When you have to go back almost 100 years to find something to compare it with?
Looks like a lot more crazies now....
Of course it does. And in terms of numbers, you may be right. I am not sure there are anymore crazy people per capita though. A bigger percentage are probably walking among us since we used to institutionalize nut cases. Why a 100 years? It would seem relevant to look at this generation by generation.
Another thing is that media coverage of these events are totally in-our-face, total saturation. This is very different from previous times.
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What a FUCKING KUNT WOMAN! Typical Cheap Rich DumbFuck whore, Wouldnt spend $600 on Good Costco Vault Safe to store her guns
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/17/1217-adam-lanza-and-mom-abc-3.jpg)
The divorce papers of Adam Lanza's parents reveal nothing that would indicate their son had mental issues.
TMZ has obtained the divorce docs between Peter and Nancy Lanza. The docs were filed in 2008 and the divorce became final the next year.
One thing's for sure ... the family was financially well off. Peter agreed to pay Nancy $240,000 a year in spousal support for 2010. The yearly spousal support was to increase each year. In 2012 Nancy was to receive $289,800.
There is no mention or indication of any mental health issues involving Adam. There is a boilerplate reference, "The wife shall pay for unreimbursed medical, surgical, hospital, optical and psychiatric, psychological, and nursing expenses..." It continues, "Each parent shall be entitled to complete information from any physician, dentist, psychologist, consultant, or any specialist attending the children."
It's important to note ... the provisions (above) are standard and do not reflect specifically on this divorce.
And, in the docs, Peter agreed to buy Adam a car. Adam reportedly drove his mom's car to Sandy Hook Elementary school before going on his rampage.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2FKyvMVgp
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Yeah and? A lot more people on drugs, poor, depressed, than ever.
Read this - they all knew
http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanzas-former-babysitter-speaks-2012-12
I'll agree that there are likely a lot more addicted people. Drug use creates a whole different set of problems, many of which contribute to the high crime rate we are experiencing. I am not sure they are a major factor in cases where there is a psychotic break and the person shoots up a crowd, although anything is possible. I've been told people on amphetamines are particularly dangers because they believe they can do anything and sometimes seem to have superhuman powers as a result.
The fact that a lot of people say they knew something was wrong with Adam Lanzas in reflection may be significant and may not be. It is easier to make statements like this after the fact then to predict one's mental condition. Furthermore, many psychotic people can act pretty normal most of the time.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanzas-former-babysitter-speaks-2012-12
They knew this guy was a monster
What a FUCKING KUNT WOMAN! Typical Cheap Rich DumbFuck whore, Wouldnt spend $600 on Good Costco Vault Safe to store her guns
:(
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/17/1217-adam-lanza-and-mom-abc-3.jpg)
The divorce papers of Adam Lanza's parents reveal nothing that would indicate their son had mental issues.
TMZ has obtained the divorce docs between Peter and Nancy Lanza. The docs were filed in 2008 and the divorce became final the next year.
One thing's for sure ... the family was financially well off. Peter agreed to pay Nancy $240,000 a year in spousal support for 2010. The yearly spousal support was to increase each year. In 2012 Nancy was to receive $289,800.
There is no mention or indication of any mental health issues involving Adam. There is a boilerplate reference, "The wife shall pay for unreimbursed medical, surgical, hospital, optical and psychiatric, psychological, and nursing expenses..." It continues, "Each parent shall be entitled to complete information from any physician, dentist, psychologist, consultant, or any specialist attending the children."
It's important to note ... the provisions (above) are standard and do not reflect specifically on this divorce.
And, in the docs, Peter agreed to buy Adam a car. Adam reportedly drove his mom's car to Sandy Hook Elementary school before going on his rampage.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2FKyvMVgp
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http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanzas-former-babysitter-speaks-2012-12
They knew this guy was a monster
nobody every listens to consuela since arnold gave her the cock
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9jafjkE5O1qlawz5.jpg)
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nobody every listens to consuela since arnold gave her the cock
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9jafjkE5O1qlawz5.jpg)
No......no......
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Can you SPOT the killer ??? ???
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02429/Adam-Lanza_2429494b.jpg)
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Can you SPOT the killer ??? ???
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02429/Adam-Lanza_2429494b.jpg)
Mother could not even afford a hair cut on that monster?
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The Father ... PETER LANZA
(http://seemydeath.com/thumbnail.php?file=story%20images/Peter_Lanza_222187650.jpg&size=article_medium)
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The Father ... PETER LANZA
(http://seemydeath.com/thumbnail.php?file=story%20images/Peter_Lanza_222187650.jpg&size=article_medium)
Good looking older man.
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Mother could not even afford a hair cut on that monster?
LMFAO
Looks like he is waring a darth vader helmet
(http://www.starwarshelmets.com/jbvadbaden11.JPG)
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http://www.businessinsider.com/america-the-horror-show-2012-12
Good essay
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Can you SPOT the killer ??? ???
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02429/Adam-Lanza_2429494b.jpg)
He is the only one NOT smiling!
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LMFAO
Looks like he is waring a darth vader helmet
(http://www.starwarshelmets.com/jbvadbaden11.JPG)
Give yourself to the Dark Side.
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(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/7d/a6/7da6964e07f27293b7fce925d2e93408.jpg)
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Can you SPOT the killer ??? ???
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02429/Adam-Lanza_2429494b.jpg)
All of the white ones.
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The sad thing is this kid must have weighed 100 pounds soaking wet. Man, all it would have taken is one getbigger with big muscles to wrestle this kid to the ground and subdue him.
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Mother could not even afford a hair cut on that monster?
Why do white people commit these horrible crimes? There's got to be a reason for this.
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Why do white people commit these horrible crimes? There's got to be a reason for this.
Don't know - maybe their pissed off we have a black prez? :P
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Why do white people commit these horrible crimes? There's got to be a reason for this.
For whites it's like the hockey of crime. Blacks dominate all other crimes so its the only one we have left.
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Why do white people commit these horrible crimes? There's got to be a reason for this.
Your kind aren't smart enough to stop the car and get out?
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Your kind aren't smart enough to stop the car and get out?
I'm scared to send my child to a white school.
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All of the white ones.
;D
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(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/7d/a6/7da6964e07f27293b7fce925d2e93408.jpg)
So the rich are to blame, thats what you're saying. If there were no rich fuckers neglecting their kids, there wouldn't be mass shootings. I r in total agreement. Lets ban rich people.
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I'm scared to send my child to a white school.
The white school is scared to have your child
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The white school is scared to have your child
Lol.
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So the rich are to blame, thats what you're saying. If there were no rich fuckers neglecting their kids, there wouldn't be mass shootings. I r in total agreement. Lets ban rich people.
She was Rich , but too dumb to buy a gun safe
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The white school is scared to have your child
I doubt it. Last time I checked we wasn't shooting up schools.
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I doubt it. Last time I checked we wasn't shooting up schools.
Can't shoot up something you dropped out of when you were 14. ::)
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I doubt it. Last time I checked we wasn't shooting up schools.
Probably because it is in fact a school. Now cigarettes and shoes be worth dying fo.
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I doubt it. Last time I checked we wasn't shooting up schools.
That's because all the schools in your neighborhood already have armed guards and metal detectors. ::)
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Probably because it is in fact a school. Now cigarettes and shoes be worth dying fo.
Lol
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The white school is scared to have your child
LOL
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Can't tell you what a mess it is here in CT.
so many stories.some say he shot his way into the school.the head of the school made an annoucment over the loud speaker warning students and teachers or more would have been killed?
the do say that a teacher a 27 year old female was found shot in a position that showed she hearded her students behind her to protect them and the fucker shot her and then all the kids behind her.
a local church was evacuated when holding a mass in memory someone called the church and said the job wasn't finished.
the killer walked into a Dicks sporting good and tried to buy a rifle and when told he had to go through a waiting period he walked out.
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That's because all the schools in your neighborhood already have armed guards and metal detectors. ::)
I lived in a white neighborhood as a child and went to a white highschool. ???
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I lived in a white neighborhood as a child and went to a white highschool. ???
Affirmative Action?
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I lived in a white neighborhood as a child and went to a white highschool. ???
Adopted? :D
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Adopted? :D
lol
It's funny it was more crime at my white HS than at the black middle school I went to.
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lol
It's funny it was more crime at my white HS than at the black middle school I went to.
I doubt that very much. Too convenient. I went to predominately black schools and for a while a white school and there is no question that the black school had considerably more crime.
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I doubt it. Last time I checked we wasn't shooting up schools.
"we wasn't"?
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"we wasn't"?
That's because blacks don't know where the skoolz iz
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It sucks for the parents. A lot of lives fucked up because of this. Sure it is 20 dead, but hundreds will suffer for the longest time. The parents, siblings, friends. Just sad. What about the kid that saw his friend get 11 shots to the chest? you don't think he's going to grow up all fucked up now? How many teachers are going to jump on meds and die of OD. There will be a trail of pain for years.
The USA should just remove the Lanza family tree for retribution.
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David Icke also believes lizard people run planet Earth, and he is serious! David Icke is a classic example that not all nutjobs go on mass shooting sprees! Don't get me wrong, I like David, but he is batshit CRAZY!
Lizard people is his code for Jews...He hasn't said this but you have to read between the lines. He knows saying this about the Jews would kill him.
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Lizard people is his code for Jews...He hasn't said this but you have to read between the lines. He knows saying this about the Jews would kill him.
I wish that was true, David already openly criticizes the JEWS, but David has talked in great detail and deep seriousness how lizards are running the world. He genuinely believes it. Icke believes reptilians from the constellation Draco, who walk on two legs and appear human, and who live in tunnels and caverns inside the earth. He argues that the reptilians are the race of gods known as the Anunnaki in the Babylonian creation myth, Enûma Eliš. According to Barkun, Icke's idea of "inner-earth reptilians". Icke argues that they came specifically for "monoatomic gold," a mineral he says can increase the carrying capacity of the nervous system ten thousandfold. After ingesting it, the reptilians can process vast amounts of information, speed up trans-dimensional travel, and shapeshift from reptilian to human form.
Icke writes that the Anunnaki have crossbred with human beings, the breeding lines chosen for political reasons, arguing that they are the Watchers, the fallen angels, or "Grigori," who mated with human women in the Biblical apocrypha. Their first reptilian-human hybrid, possibly Adam, was created 200,000–300,000 years ago. There was a second breeding program 30,000 years ago, and a third 7,000 years ago. It is the half-bloods of the third breeding program who today control the world, more Anunnaki than human, he writes. They have a powerful, hypnotic stare, the origin of the phrase to "give someone the evil eye," and their hybrid DNA allows them to shapeshift when they consume human blood
Hate to say it, David is a massive Nutter!
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QFT
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Never mind all the Obama conspiracy bullshit. Now this is a legitimate complaint. What a fucking debacle that was/is.
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Funny
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Pearl River, MS High School Massacre.
Never happened because the 16 year old perp was stopped by Asst Principal Joel Myrick and his trusty .45.
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Funny
until one teacher loses his mind and shoots his students. we can argue till we are blue in the face, no easy solution.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/why-adam-lanza-could-not-feel-physical-pain-2012-12
Freak of nature
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http://www.businessinsider.com/why-adam-lanza-could-not-feel-physical-pain-2012-12
Freak of nature
-Read the article. In the article it states that there is no correlation between not feeling physical pain and violent behavior.
A lot of folks are searching for a reason for Adam Lanza's horrific actions. I suspect this is a natural response to a situation like this, because it helps people imagine way to protect themselves and their love ones from future incidents, such as these. Unfortunately, the answers we seek won't be conclusive and won't protect us from the next Adam Lanza, should we be in their path of destruction.
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Pearl River, MS High School Massacre.
Never happened because the 16 year old perp was stopped by Asst Principal Joel Myrick and his trusty .45.
Hey, one out of fifty ain't bad.
Why change anything?
Maybe we should get rid of seatbelts in cars, since not wearing one saves somebody once in a great while.
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Maybe we should get rid of seatbelts in cars, since not wearing one saves somebody once in a great while.
Huh? Logic fail bro, massive logic fail.
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Hey, one out of fifty ain't bad.
Why change anything?
Maybe we should get rid of seatbelts in cars, since not wearing one saves somebody once in a great while.
garebear
why do you
avoid the
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your checkered
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Hey, one out of fifty ain't bad.
Why change anything?
Maybe we should get rid of seatbelts in cars, since not wearing one saves somebody once in a great while.
Seatbelts should not be required to wear in a car.
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garebear
why do you
avoid the
questions about
your checkered
past
Why did you rape your nephew?
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Seatbelts should not be required to wear in a car.
I live in CT and only driver/front passanger is required by law to have a seatbelt. if your 18+ and in the back seat you dont need to wear one. the law might have changed though.
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I think speed limits should be removed, millions of people speed and never kill anybody, why punish the responsible speeders? Only a tiny fraction of people are killed by speeders, you have more chance of being hit by lighting. As a matter of fact, speeding has helped prevent accidents, as matter of fact if a responsible speeder wants to catch a dangerous one, he needs to speed (responsibly of course). Speed Limits is just another way of infringing on personal freedom, and for what, to save a few lives!
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I think speed limits should be removed, millions of people speed and never kill anybody, why punish the responsible speeders? Only a tiny fraction of people are killed by speeders, you have more chance of being hit by lighting. As a matter of fact, speeding has helped prevent accidents, as matter of fact if a responsible speeder wants to catch a dangerous one, he needs to speed (responsibly of course). Speed Limits is just another way of infringing on personal freedom, and for what, to save a few lives!
Haha.
Good post.
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Hey, one out of fifty ain't bad.
Why change anything?
Maybe we should get rid of seatbelts in cars, since not wearing one saves somebody once in a great while.
I don't care if you wear your seat belt, I don't care if you put batteries in your fire alarms, I don't care if you have a fire extinguisher in your kitchen. You make your own decisions and you live with them.
What I care about is people like you who think you have the right to limit someone else's rights.
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I think speed limits should be removed, millions of people speed and never kill anybody, why punish the responsible speeders? Only a tiny fraction of people are killed by speeders, you have more chance of being hit by lighting. As a matter of fact, speeding has helped prevent accidents, as matter of fact if a responsible speeder wants to catch a dangerous one, he needs to speed (responsibly of course). Speed Limits is just another way of infringing on personal freedom, and for what, to save a few lives!
Thats the thing. People are saying that their rights are being taken away by gun control or whatever. Do people realize just how many of our rights are already taken away. As you stated sarcastically, you cannot go over the speed limit without potentially getting fined. So many things already limit our freedom.
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Thats the thing. People are saying that their rights are being taken away by gun control or whatever. Do people realize just how many of our rights are already taken away. As you stated sarcastically, you cannot go over the speed limit without potentially getting fined. So many things already limit our freedom.
So just give up more in the false hope of security ?
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I live in CT and only driver/front passanger is required by law to have a seatbelt. if your 18+ and in the back seat you dont need to wear one. the law might have changed though.
Seatbelts should be a personal choice and not be required.
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Seatbelts should be a personal choice and not be required.
Agree. People's lives should be up to them.
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Thats the thing. People are saying that their rights are being taken away by gun control or whatever. Do people realize just how many of our rights are already taken away. As you stated sarcastically, you cannot go over the speed limit without potentially getting fined. So many things already limit our freedom.
Exactly. And people like you are fine giving up certain rights as long as they don't affect you. ::)
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Thats the thing. People are saying that their rights are being taken away by gun control or whatever. Do people realize just how many of our rights are already taken away. As you stated sarcastically, you cannot go over the speed limit without potentially getting fined. So many things already limit our freedom.
Whats your point?
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But some gun advocates, like Republican Representative Louis Gohmert of Texas, are saying that the shooting could have been prevented if more responsible adults in the area -- like principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed when she confronted the gunman -- had been armed themselves.
"I wish to God she had had an M-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out and she didn't have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands," he told Fox News on Sunday. "But she takes him (the shooter) out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids."
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But some gun advocates, like Republican Representative Louis Gohmert of Texas, are saying that the shooting could have been prevented if more responsible adults in the area -- like principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed when she confronted the gunman -- had been armed themselves.
"I wish to God she had had an M-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out and she didn't have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands," he told Fox News on Sunday. "But she takes him (the shooter) out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids."
I love how they go straight to the M4. Not a pistol locked in the desk, no, an M4 carbine. Lol. I guess that's part of the reason they get so demonized.
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But some gun advocates, like Republican Representative Louis Gohmert of Texas, are saying that the shooting could have been prevented if more responsible adults in the area -- like principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed when she confronted the gunman -- had been armed themselves.
"I wish to God she had had an M-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out and she didn't have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands," he told Fox News on Sunday. "But she takes him (the shooter) out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids."
good idea, an M4 in each classroom. why not go farther and give each kid a glock? instead of health class it can be called "shootin classg". how dumb are these people?
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good idea, an M4 in each classroom. why not go farther and give each kid a glock? instead of health class it can be called "shootin classg". how dumb are these people?
In High School I had an Archery Class, I don`t recall anyone ever using a bow and arrow other than to hit the targets. :)
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In High School I had an Archery Class, I don`t recall anyone ever using a bow and arrow other than to hit the targets. :)
But, like, thats different, because thats a sport.
/sarcasm
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Thats the thing. People are saying that their rights are being taken away by gun control or whatever. Do people realize just how many of our rights are already taken away. As you stated sarcastically, you cannot go over the speed limit without potentially getting fined. So many things already limit our freedom.
How profound.
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But, like, thats different, because thats a sport.
/sarcasm
m4 vs a dull arrow and cheap bow? ehhh
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m4 vs a dull arrow and cheap bow? ehhh
My point was that shooting is also a sport. Not the M4 itself, having an M4 for a school target shooting class would not quiet fit.
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Seatbelts should be a personal choice and not be required.
I used to agree with you.
But with nationalized healthcare in place, everyone foots the bill. Government will have a lot more to say about how to live your life as peoples health affect government expenditures.
Before it was more up to the insurance companies to inform and push for more regulations and laws.
Now that the government pays a bigger part they will simply force you do behave as they see fit.
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Source: CT Murderer Lived in Windowless Basement Playing Violent Video Games
Andrew Brietbart's Big Government ^ | 18 Dec 2012, 7:21 AM PDT | Tony Lee
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:18:09
Adam Lanza, the shooter who massacred 20 children and six adults last Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School, spent hours in the windowless basement of his home playing violent video games like "Call of Duty" and obsessing over "guns and military equipment."
Peter Wlasuk, a plumber who worked at the Lanza home, told The Sun that Lanza "lived in the basement" and he found it "strange."
"He had a proper set up down there — computers, a bathroom, bed and desk and a TV," Wlasuk said. "There were no windows.”
Wlasuk said he went down to the basement on numerous occasions while doing work at Lanza's home and said Lanza also had a "huge poster with every tank ever made" and another one with "every piece of military equipment the U.S. ever made." He said the Lanza brothers could tell "you about guns they had never seen from the 40s, 50s and 60s."
Lanza was suspected of being mentally ill and may have had Asperger's. His high school assigned him to a counselor because they feared he may harm himself but not others.
According to reports, Lanza's mother was a "a gun enthusiast who owned at least five weapons" and "took her younger son to a local firing range just days before the rampage."
A family friend told NBC that Lanza's mother said she wanted to introduce Adam to guns to teach him a "sense of responsibility."
“Guns require a lot of respect and she really tried to instill that," the friend said. "And he took to it. He loved being careful with them. He made it a source of pride.”
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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40 pages and you guys are using the same arguments that you used the last time there was a mass shooting. The gun control 'war' ended years ago and the pro-weapons side handily won. The cost exacted was/will be more of these type events. Live with it.
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40 pages and you guys are using the same arguments that you used the last time there was a mass shooting. The gun control 'war' ended years ago and the pro-weapons side handily won. The cost exacted was/will be more of these type events. Live with it.
So you blame the gun and not the murderer?
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So you blame the gun and not the murderer?
You're exactly the type of person that should be nowhere near an inquiry into gun violence, let alone an actual weapon.
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40 pages and you guys are using the same arguments that you used the last time there was a mass shooting. The gun control 'war' ended years ago and the pro-weapons side handily won. The cost exacted was/will be more of these type events. Live with it.
I think that's a pretty broad statement.
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You're exactly the type of person that should be nowhere near an inquiry into gun violence, let alone an actual weapon.
The genie is long at the lamp monkey brains
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The Antipsychotic Prescribed To Adam Lanza Has A Troubled History All Its Own
Geoffrey Ingersoll|3 minutes ago|7|
By now the whole country is fully embroiled in the Gun Control debate, spurred by the grisly murder of 27 people, mostly kids, at the Sandy Hook Elementary school last Friday.
Guns might not be the only problem though.
New York Magazine wrote a piece about shooter Adam Lanza's supposed "aspergers" syndrome as a "red herring" meant to distract from the real problem (guns, of course, but doesn't say so).
Inside the piece though they report Adam Lanza's uncle said the boy was prescribed Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine.
Fanapt was the subject of a Examiner report titled, "Fanapt: The Rise And Fall Of The Antipsychotic," which was basically a take down of the whole industry. Why, you might ask?
Because Fanapt is one of a many drugs the FDA pumped out with an ability to exact the opposite desired effect on people: that is, you know, inducing rather than inhibiting psychosis and aggressive behavior.
In fact, Fanapt was dropped by its first producer, picked up by another, initially rejected by the FDA, then later picked up and mass produced. The adverse side-effect is said to be "infrequent," but still it exists, and can't be ignored.
The reaction invoked by the drug in some people is reminiscent of the Jeffrey R. MacDonald case, where a Green Beret slaughtered his entire family and then fabricated a story about a marauding troop of "hopped up hippies".
MacDonald though, had Eskatrol in his system, a weight-loss amphetamine that's since been banned in part for its side effects of psychotic behavior and aggression.
These drugs are not the only ones that can cause the opposite of their desired affect. Several anti-depressant medications are also restricted to adults for the depression they inspire in kids rather than eliminate.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanza-taking-antipsychotic-fanapt-2012-12#ixzz2FQymrDRp
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I think that's a pretty broad statement.
Well. Wait for the next one, and see the same people spewing the same arguments.
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Killer’s data destruction: Adam Lanza smashed hard drive before massacre
By JEANE MACINTOSH
Last Updated: 10:33 AM, December 18, 2012
Posted: 12:30 AM, December 18, 2012
Before he set off on his heinous rampage, Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza tried to cover his deadly tracks by smashing the hard drive of at least one of his cherished computers, according to investigators.
The shattered drive was recovered during a search of the home of Nancy Lanza, the killer’s doting mom — and his first victim.
Forensics experts were trying yesterday to piece the broken hard drive together, hoping it will help reveal clues about the horrific Sandy Hook Elementary School slaughter, which left 20 little kids and six educators dead.
It is unclear whether information could be retrieved from the battered drive.
Police have declined specific comment on any evidence gathered at the school or Nancy Lanza’s home and said they were not yet ready to discuss a possible motive.
A source told the Connecticut Post that medications usually prescribed for mental illness were not found at the home.
Investigators are trying determine if Lanza was being treated for a medical or psychiatric ailment, and what, if anything, was prescribed, the source told the paper.
Lanza's parents had previously told poeple their son had Asperger's syndrome, a form of high-functioning autism, but it is unclear if he had ever been formally diagnosed.
Last night that investigators also seized cellphones and computer games.
"It's pretty clear he was an avid gamer," a source told the paper.
"Many of these games are very, very violent," FBI investigator Robert Paquette told the Post. "I can't help but believe these can affect the minds of someone unbalanced."
Adam’s father, Peter, a tax expert, and older brother, Ryan, 24, have spent hours answering questions for state and federal investigators but have been unable to shed any light on what sparked Adam’s deadly rage.
“In all that time, they got no real information that could help figure this out,” one source familiar with the interviews told The Post.
Nancy Lanza — who was shot in the head four times by her son before his schoolhouse massacre — gave no indication she thought he was about to snap, friends said.
Diagnosed with the autism-related Asperger’s syndrome and afflicted with a medical condition that kept him from feeling physical pain, Adam Lanza had lived with his mother since his parents’ amicable 2009 divorce.
The Lanzas’ divorce mediator, Paula Levy, yesterday said both parents were concerned about getting the best care and attention for their troubled son. Nancy Lanza got $289,800 a year in alimony and shared custody of Adam, court records show.
“The only two things I remember them saying is that she really didn’t like to leave him alone. And I know they went out of their way to accommodate him,” said Levy.
Adam Lanza, 20, spent much of his time at his mom’s home alone in one of two bedrooms he used, either reading or on his computers, friends said.
“He was always home at 11,” Nancy Lanza’s friend Ellen Adriani said. “Nancy said he was a night owl. He tended to stay up and read into the morning.
“It was unusual,” Adriani noted of the morning Lanza unleashed his evil fury, for Adam “to be up that early.”
When Adam was in high school, he was also given extra supervision by teachers and staff.
Former Newtown HS security head Richard Novia saidNancy Lanza met with counselors and administrators to find ways to keep him safe. Novia said Lanza was such an awkward misfit that he worried the boy would be bullied, but that he wasn’t a threat to others.
“He would have an episode, and she’d have to return or come to the high school and deal with it,” Novia said, noting that Adam Lanza would sometime completely withdraw from tasks.
“We were worried about him being the victim, or that he could hurt himself” Novia said.
Meanwhile, Adam’s former childhood babysitter, Ryan Kraft, recalled that Nancy Lanza was insistent that he watch her quiet, introverted son like a hawk.
“[She said] to keep an eye on him at all times,” Kraft told CBS. “To never turn my back, or even to go to the bathroom or anything like that.”
Additional reporting by Jennifer Bain, Josh Margolin and AP
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But some gun advocates, like Republican Representative Louis Gohmert of Texas, are saying that the shooting could have been prevented if more responsible adults in the area -- like principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed when she confronted the gunman -- had been armed themselves.
"I wish to God she had had an M-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out and she didn't have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands," he told Fox News on Sunday. "But she takes him (the shooter) out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids."
How is that funny? The idea that teachers should have ( while not an M4) but some weapon to defend themselves in situations like these is funny to you?
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Man... que the violent video game excuses. Anything to take away from the fact that the kid was a goddamn headcase.
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Here we go with the Video Games. ::) I hate when people don`t know what they are talking about.
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Man... que the violent video game excuses. Anything to take away from the fact that the kid was a goddamn headcase.
Chyeahh....blaming video is plain stupid now considering millions of kids, teens and young adults play them.
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Chyeahh....blaming video is plain stupid now considering millions of kids, teens and young adults play them.
Same for guns.
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do you think there should be any laws at all?
every law infringes some freedom somehow for someone.
but without law, there can be no freedom
The laws are fine how they are. No need to change anything.
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Perhaps this tragedy would of never happened if the owner of the firearms used in the crime had the guns secured locked or stored in a gun safe, where the owner is the only person with the combination.
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For all the people who think we should get rid of all guns from society...Would you be opposed of getting rid of a certain ethnic group or groups who statistically do most of the crimes?
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They Need To Ban Woman from owning GUNS, Adam's Whore mother should be More Concerned on how to fire a Stove then a motha fucking Pistol
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How is that funny? The idea that teachers should have ( while not an M4) but some weapon to defend themselves in situations like these is funny to you?
Yes killer, it's funny, it's comedy gold. It's should be on Dave Letterman's top-10 it's so fucking funny.
"The principal ran to her gun safe, took out her machine gun and killed the intruder." Then she went back to setting up the PTA meeting and arranging for a Secret Santa gift exchange.
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They Need To Ban Woman from owning GUNS, Adam's Whore mother should be More Concerned on how to fire a Stove then a motha fucking Pistol
I mean really. I live in CT been to places around New-town its the LAST place you need a gun!
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One salaried cop at this elementary school for $40k a year would have prevented all of this. when the kid had to use the rifle to blast his way thru the door, the office staff put the shooting on the intercom.
everyone on that campus heard the shots.
no matter where the cop was on campus, he could have gotten to the office in less than a minute and engaged the shooter long before he made his way to the classrooms. There would have been 2-4 dead. And if the cop was in the office when the shooter blasted the door, the cop might have ended it there.
And the kid MIGHT have driven right past the school, if he knew that cop car parked out front meant he was looking at a gun battle, not a slaughter.
Cause really, a gun ban won't stop the next killer. He could have made molotov cocktails and killed 100 without blinking. but a cop would deter a lot of attackers of any variety. It's common sense. They spend MILLIONS on projectors and teacher salaries, but can't opt for a $40k salaried cop? pathetic.
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NEWTOWN, Conn. – The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer’s family and several of the victims’ families.
Adam Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown after killing his mother early Friday because he believed she loved the school “more than she loved him,” said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. Flashman, a U.S. Marine, is the son of a pastor at an area church where many of the victims' families worship.
“From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told FoxNews.com. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.”
A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza's anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.
"He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry."
- Joshua Flashman, Newtown resident familiar with Lanza family
Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.
Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza's victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.
Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist—both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.
"Adam Lanza believed she cared more for the children than she did for him, and the reason he probably thought this [was the fact that] she was petitioning for conservatorship and wanted to have him committed," Flashman said. "I could understand how he might perceive that—that his mom loved him less than she loved the kids, loved the school. But she did love him. But he was a troubled kid and she probably just couldn’t take care of him by herself anymore."
The Washington Post reported that the distraught mother had considered moving with her son to Washington state, where she had found a school she thought could help him. Either way, according to Flashman, Nancy Lanza was at her wit's end.
A separate neighborhood source also told FoxNews.com that Nancy Lanza had come to the realization she could no longer handle her son alone. She was caring for him full-time, but told friends she needed help. She was planning to have him involuntarily hospitalized, according to the source, who did not know if she had taken formal steps.
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Multiple sources told FoxNews.com Adam Lanza suffered from Asperger’s syndrome , a form of autism, and other unspecified mental and emotional problems.
Adam Lanza has also been described by those who knew him as highly intelligent, and a spokesman for Western Connecticut State University told The Associated Press he took college classes there when he was 16, earning a 3.26 grade point average and excelling at a computer course.
Alan Diaz, 20, who was friends with Adam Lanza at Newtown High School, said the Lanza he knew was ill-at-ease socially, but not a monster.
"He was a wicked smart kid," Diaz told FoxNews.com by email. "When I first met him, he wouldn't even look at you when you tried to talk to him. Over the year I knew him, he became used to me and my other friends, he eventually could have full conversations with us.
"I've heard him laugh, he has even comforted me once in a hard time I had," Diaz said. “A big part of me wishes I never dropped contact with him after he left high school, felt like I could have done something."
Flashman said nobody will completely understand why Adam did what he did.
“No one can explain Adam Lanza besides God and Adam Lanza, and I don’t even think Adam Lanza could explain Adam Lanza, to be honest with you.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/fear-being-committed-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap/#ixzz2FRbFtwnn
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For all the people who think we should get rid of all guns from society...Would you be opposed of getting rid of a certain ethnic group or groups who statistically do most of the crimes?
I'd be all for that, even if gun crime wasn't an issue. i.e. just for cosmetic changes.
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I'd be all for that, even if gun crime wasn't an issue. i.e. just for cosmetic changes.
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One salaried cop at this elementary school for $40k a year would have prevented all of this. when the kid had to use the rifle to blast his way thru the door, the office staff put the shooting on the intercom.
everyone on that campus heard the shots.
no matter where the cop was on campus, he could have gotten to the office in less than a minute and engaged the shooter long before he made his way to the classrooms. There would have been 2-4 dead. And if the cop was in the office when the shooter blasted the door, the cop might have ended it there.
And the kid MIGHT have driven right past the school, if he knew that cop car parked out front meant he was looking at a gun battle, not a slaughter.
Cause really, a gun ban won't stop the next killer. He could have made molotov cocktails and killed 100 without blinking. but a cop would deter a lot of attackers of any variety. It's common sense. They spend MILLIONS on projectors and teacher salaries, but can't opt for a $40k salaried cop? pathetic.
Yup, and i would say not even a cop, put two soldiers decked out in full combat gear with nice badass looking guns we are paying them anyway to hang around the base. make 'em Sergeant or above so they aren't two dumb kids.
some freak might think he will just take out one uniformed cop...but two soldiers changes the game
Give them those stupid "Paul Blart" things to ride around on too so they are mobile
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I'd be all for that, even if gun crime wasn't an issue. i.e. just for cosmetic changes.
And which ethnic group would that be? In El Paso, TX where my daughter lives, most of the criminal activity involves Latinos, particularly those who come across the boarder from Ciudad Juarez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Mass killings there are a daily event. They are so commonplace they have ceased to be newsworthy. And who buys the drugs that are smuggled across the boarder? Rich white folks perhaps?
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How is that funny? The idea that teachers should have ( while not an M4) but some weapon to defend themselves in situations like these is funny to you?
Arming teachers in a confined place like a classroom full of kids is absolutely ridiculous. 9 innocent bystanders were wounded by bullets and debris when NYC cops open fired on a suspect outside a crowded Manhattan street this past August. If trained Cops can injure 9 innocent bystanders in a crowded area with their guns, a gun toting teacher blasting away in a classroom full of panicking children could certainly be much worse.
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do you think there should be any laws at all? every law infringes some freedom somehow for someone. but without law, there can be no freedom
No, I do not believe in a lawless society. Laws infringe on the very people that are doing things that have been deemed by society to be illegal. I have done nothing illegal, so why should I give up my rights to protection, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness to appease a knee-jerk action by some politician that is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for their political gain? No fucking way is an Adminstration that armed Mexican drug cartels, so that they could come on American soil and kill Americans, is going to convince me that they know or care about gun control or gun safety.
I do not believe in politicians telling me I cannot look out for myself, think for myself, and that I pose a great danger to myself, so they will enact laws that suit them to "protect" me. Dianne Fucking Feinstein does not know what is best for me or how to protect me, nor is she willing to do anything to protect me. Her actions are to further her political career.
Just a bullshit smokescreen so that the underyling issue of mental illness gets hidden.
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I'm for arming the teachers. Run it somewhat like they do the armed pilots program, ask for volunteers, have them vetted and trained by the state and/or federal government, and offer them a slight bump in pay for additional service.
You save taxes, the kids won't be afraid or stand-offish because it a teacher they interact with everyday, etc.......
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I'm for arming the teachers. Run it somewhat like they do the armed pilots program, ask for volunteers, have them vetted and trained by the state and/or federal government, and offer them a slight bump in pay for additional service.
You save taxes, the kids won't be afraid or stand-offish because it a teacher they interact with everyday, etc.......
Yes. Giving teachers a shoot-to-kill mandate is not insane.
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Yes. Giving teachers a shoot-to-kill mandate is not insane.
Of course but giving the teachers the right to die defenseless is clearly not insane ???
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Arming teachers in a confined place like a classroom full of kids is absolutely ridiculous. 9 innocent bystanders were wounded by bullets and debris when NYC cops open fired on a suspect outside a crowded Manhattan street this past August. If trained Cops can injure 9 innocent bystanders in a crowded area with their guns, a gun toting teacher blasting away in a classroom full of panicking children could certainly be much worse.
So you are basing your argument of one case as an example?!? ???
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I'm for arming the teachers. Run it somewhat like they do the armed pilots program, ask for volunteers, have them vetted and trained by the state and/or federal government, and offer them a slight bump in pay for additional service.
You save taxes, the kids won't be afraid or stand-offish because it a teacher they interact with everyday, etc.......
yep. They have to keep concealed in thunderware. kids woudl never know who was packing. if they talk about it, they lose their job.
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Killer’s data destruction: Adam Lanza smashed hard drive before massacre
By JEANE MACINTOSH
Last Updated: 10:33 AM, December 18, 2012
Posted: 12:30 AM, December 18, 2012
Before he set off on his heinous rampage, Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza tried to cover his deadly tracks by smashing the hard drive of at least one of his cherished computers, according to investigators.
The shattered drive was recovered during a search of the home of Nancy Lanza, the killer’s doting mom — and his first victim.
Forensics experts were trying yesterday to piece the broken hard drive together, hoping it will help reveal clues about the horrific Sandy Hook Elementary School slaughter, which left 20 little kids and six educators dead.
It is unclear whether information could be retrieved from the battered drive.
Police have declined specific comment on any evidence gathered at the school or Nancy Lanza’s home and said they were not yet ready to discuss a possible motive.
A source told the Connecticut Post that medications usually prescribed for mental illness were not found at the home.
Investigators are trying determine if Lanza was being treated for a medical or psychiatric ailment, and what, if anything, was prescribed, the source told the paper.
Lanza's parents had previously told poeple their son had Asperger's syndrome, a form of high-functioning autism, but it is unclear if he had ever been formally diagnosed.
Last night that investigators also seized cellphones and computer games.
"It's pretty clear he was an avid gamer," a source told the paper.
"Many of these games are very, very violent," FBI investigator Robert Paquette told the Post. "I can't help but believe these can affect the minds of someone unbalanced."
Adam’s father, Peter, a tax expert, and older brother, Ryan, 24, have spent hours answering questions for state and federal investigators but have been unable to shed any light on what sparked Adam’s deadly rage.
“In all that time, they got no real information that could help figure this out,” one source familiar with the interviews told The Post.
Nancy Lanza — who was shot in the head four times by her son before his schoolhouse massacre — gave no indication she thought he was about to snap, friends said.
Diagnosed with the autism-related Asperger’s syndrome and afflicted with a medical condition that kept him from feeling physical pain, Adam Lanza had lived with his mother since his parents’ amicable 2009 divorce.
The Lanzas’ divorce mediator, Paula Levy, yesterday said both parents were concerned about getting the best care and attention for their troubled son. Nancy Lanza got $289,800 a year in alimony and shared custody of Adam, court records show.
“The only two things I remember them saying is that she really didn’t like to leave him alone. And I know they went out of their way to accommodate him,” said Levy.
Adam Lanza, 20, spent much of his time at his mom’s home alone in one of two bedrooms he used, either reading or on his computers, friends said.
“He was always home at 11,” Nancy Lanza’s friend Ellen Adriani said. “Nancy said he was a night owl. He tended to stay up and read into the morning.
“It was unusual,” Adriani noted of the morning Lanza unleashed his evil fury, for Adam “to be up that early.”
When Adam was in high school, he was also given extra supervision by teachers and staff.
Former Newtown HS security head Richard Novia saidNancy Lanza met with counselors and administrators to find ways to keep him safe. Novia said Lanza was such an awkward misfit that he worried the boy would be bullied, but that he wasn’t a threat to others.
“He would have an episode, and she’d have to return or come to the high school and deal with it,” Novia said, noting that Adam Lanza would sometime completely withdraw from tasks.
“We were worried about him being the victim, or that he could hurt himself” Novia said.
Meanwhile, Adam’s former childhood babysitter, Ryan Kraft, recalled that Nancy Lanza was insistent that he watch her quiet, introverted son like a hawk.
“[She said] to keep an eye on him at all times,” Kraft told CBS. “To never turn my back, or even to go to the bathroom or anything like that.”
Additional reporting by Jennifer Bain, Josh Margolin and AP
How do you babysit a kid for hours on end and not go to the bathroom? That's silly. Did she expect the babysitter to use a piss jug like many Getbiggers use?
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I’ve figured out how to solve this whole mess. The answer is more guns and more armed guards.
First – arm kindergarteners, elementary school students, high school students, anyone who goes to college. Arm teachers, postal employees, bus-drivers, hot dog vendors, Wal Mart clerks, ALL McDonald’s employees, pedestrians, drivers, bartenders, custodians, web-designers. Make sure that yoga instructors, waiters, waitresses, dry cleaners, barbers, beauticians, masseuses, welders, plumbers, carpenters, farmers, musicians, actors, directors, CEOs, accountants, mechanics, landlords, librarians, chemists, childcare workers, engineers, coaches, computer programmers, economists, editors, journalists, electricians, secretaries, real estate agents, referees and veterinarians are packing heat.
Second – place ARMED GUARDS in every office, bar, barbershop, school (K-Phd) – preferably one per classroom, library, public restroom, movie theater, hospital, clinic, grocery store, hardware store, video store, coffee house, restaurant, outhouse, shopping mall, post office, DMV, Dollar General Store, Sam’s Club, Wal Mart and bookstore.
But don’t even THINK about any kind of gun control. That would just be ridiculous.
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I'm for arming the teachers. Run it somewhat like they do the armed pilots program, ask for volunteers, have them vetted and trained by the state and/or federal government, and offer them a slight bump in pay for additional service.
You save taxes, the kids won't be afraid or stand-offish because it a teacher they interact with everyday, etc.......
Damn straight. We need to throw in some bladed weapns in addition to guns for teach. For closeup work.
Ninja throwing stars, samurai swords...betcha the whole class would be quiet during lectures.
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I’ve figured out how to solve this whole mess. The answer is more guns and more armed guards.
First – arm kindergarteners, elementary school students, high school students, anyone who goes to college. Arm teachers, postal employees, bus-drivers, hot dog vendors, Wal Mart clerks, ALL McDonald’s employees, pedestrians, drivers, bartenders, custodians, web-designers. Make sure that yoga instructors, waiters, waitresses, dry cleaners, barbers, beauticians, masseuses, welders, plumbers, carpenters, farmers, musicians, actors, directors, CEOs, accountants, mechanics, landlords, librarians, chemists, childcare workers, engineers, coaches, computer programmers, economists, editors, journalists, electricians, secretaries, real estate agents, referees and veterinarians are packing heat.
Second – place ARMED GUARDS in every office, bar, barbershop, school (K-Phd) – preferably one per classroom, library, public restroom, movie theater, hospital, clinic, grocery store, hardware store, video store, coffee house, restaurant, outhouse, shopping mall, post office, DMV, Dollar General Store, Sam’s Club, Wal Mart and bookstore.
But don’t even THINK about any kind of gun control. That would just be ridiculous.
I like it. But "Hot Dog vendors". Everyone knows Hot Dog Vendors are crazy.
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We talk about firearms cause some nut used the guns his parents didnt safely lock... Very same parents who drove him mad in the first place...which means the real responsible are atheist parents who get divorced and destroy their kids in the process...are hypocritical atheists going to adress this? no..of course not...the problem are firearms right?
Now what about we talk about the fact that most of the year, millions of people have firearms yet NOTHING BAD HAPPEN probably most of the time cause they are christians -or not-. Yeah. Stop with the drama. The real problem nobody is going to face tho, is how our atheist society builds depressed kids , how parents abandon kids to TV which is filled with garbage.
Also why dont we talk about the fact that most murders are commited by black and mexican people all year long? Kids barely raised by shitty separated parents.
Our kids are left in front of screens , influenced by ideas, thoughts, images, videos, sounds, that are incredibly violent, hours a day for years and younger than ever, their parents dont care about them much, and you wonder why they re more violent than say, their ancestors 2 or three generations ago who werent exposed to all of that non sense and spent their days reading, thinking , spending time with loved ones, contributing, or ...working instead of having their brains passively filled with crap all day long?
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And anyone who thinks you can cross-train Elementary School teachers and administrators to be killers, or even competent body guards, why stop there?
Let's do this. . .
Train bus drivers to be neurosurgeons.
Train Professional Boxers to be dress designers
Train Structural Engineers to be Rock n' Roll Singers.
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I see nothing wrong with allowing city bus drivers to get their permits, get trained, and carry on their buses. They see a crime, and they may be able to help. There are probably people with far less training riding the bus packig heat.
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And anyone who thinks you can cross-train Elementary School teachers and administrators to be killers, or even competent body guards, why stop there?
Let's do this. . .
Train bus drivers to be neurosurgeons.
Train Professional Boxers to be dress designers
Train Structural Engineers to be Rock n' Roll Singers.
;D
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We talk about firearms cause some nut used the guns his parents didnt safely lock... Very same parents who drove him mad in the first place...which means the real responsible are atheist parents who get divorced and destroy their kids in the process...are hypocritical atheists going to adress this? no..of course not...the problem are firearms right?
Now what about we talk about the fact that most of the year, millions of people have firearms yet NOTHING BAD HAPPEN probably most of the time cause they are christians -or not-. Yeah. Stop with the drama. The real problem nobody is going to face tho, is how our atheist society builds depressed kids , how parents abandon kids to TV which is filled with garbage.
Why dont we talk about the fact that most murders are commited by black and mexican people all year long?
Our kids are left in front of screens , influenced by ideas, thoughts, images, videos, sounds, that are incredibly violent, hours a day for years and younger than ever, their parents dont care about them much, and you wonder why they re more violent than say, their ancestors 2 or three generations ago who werent exposed to all of that non sense and spent their days reading, thinking , spending time with loved ones, contributing, or ...working?
(http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedImages/Topics/Issues/Social_Welfare/chaplains-chp4-2.png)
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Meh.
There are an estimated 300,000,000 - 400,000,000 firearms in circulation in America. When the great Getbig braintrust figures out how to get those under control, plus the great underground economy that will spring up to accommodate those that won't giving a flying fuck about regulation...... The great gun control argument will warrant more that a shrug from me.
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Damn straight. We need to throw in some bladed weapns in addition to guns for teach. For closeup work.
Ninja throwing stars, samurai swords...betcha the whole class would be quiet during lectures.
People like to poke fun at it, but explain to me how a police officer, military, or armed security guard would work better than a Teacher trained to the same standard. Notice I didn't say to just allow teachers to strap up. You take a few trusted and willing aside, give them phys. evals, then have a police or federal firearms instructor teach them threat assessment, and shooting, and have them requalify every few months.
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The only smart thing to do is to install guarded doors and metal detectors in all schools -and to punish anyone who let a stranger enter a school from somewhere else than this very same guarded door, with death penalty- period. Will give some jobs to a lot of people in the process.
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Who let the guy in? was it the Principal? either way he would of shot his way in.
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The only smart thing to do is to install guarded doors and metal detectors in all schools -and to punish anyone who let a stranger enter a school from somewhere else than this very same guarded door, with death penalty- period. Will give some jobs to a lot of people in the process.
Dont most schools have metal detectors already? Doesnt stop the crazies.
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Radio stations are now pulling this whores song not because it sucks or what not , but because her lyrics in the say say "lets make the most of the night like we are going to die young"
Song was probably recorded over a year ago
America ::)
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We talk about firearms cause some nut used the guns his parents didnt safely lock... Very same parents who drove him mad in the first place...which means the real responsible are atheist parents who get divorced and destroy their kids in the process...are hypocritical atheists going to adress this? no..of course not...the problem are firearms right?
Now what about we talk about the fact that most of the year, millions of people have firearms yet NOTHING BAD HAPPEN probably most of the time cause they are christians -or not-. Yeah. Stop with the drama. The real problem nobody is going to face tho, is how our atheist society builds depressed kids , how parents abandon kids to TV which is filled with garbage.
Also why dont we talk about the fact that most murders are commited by black and mexican people all year long? Kids barely raised by shitty separated parents.
Our kids are left in front of screens , influenced by ideas, thoughts, images, videos, sounds, that are incredibly violent, hours a day for years and younger than ever, their parents dont care about them much, and you wonder why they re more violent than say, their ancestors 2 or three generations ago who werent exposed to all of that non sense and spent their days reading, thinking , spending time with loved ones, contributing, or ...working?
Sigh. The young man had aspergers syndrom a milder form of autism. This is not a condition which is a result of bad parenting.
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Of course but giving the teachers the right to die defenseless is clearly not insane ???
This answer is insane. Is this really how your mind works? :-\
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Arming teachers in a confined place like a classroom full of kids is absolutely ridiculous. 9 innocent bystanders were wounded by bullets and debris when NYC cops open fired on a suspect outside a crowded Manhattan street this past August. If trained Cops can injure 9 innocent bystanders in a crowded area with their guns, a gun toting teacher blasting away in a classroom full of panicking children could certainly be much worse.
And you say that without any knowledge how many cops (2) fired their guns, and without understanding that the situation in the classroom isn't same than in the hallway full of panicking people. Furthermore, these cowards doesn't attack if there is possibility to encounter the gunfire, so the teacher doesn't even have to shoot to keep these cowards away. Carrying gun is enough to stop these crimes altogether.
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This answer is insane. Is this really how your mind works? :-\
Because giving teacher back their 2nd amendment rights and the ability to defend themselves and the little kids is insane. Honesly now I have to question how your mind works because you seem to have an issue with human beings defending themselves when faced with deadly threats. Leaving the current laws intact and giving teachers and their students the right to die defenseless is not insane but allowing them to conceal carry and shoot back at maniacs is insane in your mind?
Stop pretending to be intelligent. You can hide behind your grammar abilities all you want but you are still the approximate equal of that ape in your profile picture in terms of intelligence.
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Because giving teacher back their 2nd amendment rights and the ability to defend themselves and the little kids is insane. Honesly now I have to question how your mind works because you seem to have an issue with human beings defending themselves when faced with deadly threats. Leaving the current laws intact and giving teachers and their students the right to die defenseless is not insane but allowing them to conceal carry and shoot back at maniacs is insane in your mind?
Stop pretending to be intelligent. You can hide behind your grammar abilities all you want but you are still the approximate equal of that ape in your profile picture in terms of intelligence.
Your disconnect with reality is really something.
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Your disconnect with reality is really something.
The irony ::)
Please go ahead and explain to me how giving teachers the right to defend themselves is a bad thing....Hell lets make it a bit broader, not necessarily teachers but someone else who works in schools, administrators or anyone who is responsible and has the time to participate in regular firearm training drills.
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i hated not being able to pack heat when i was a teacher. some of my students had been busted with weapons, I knew some of them were probably armed at school. powerless. that part sucked. FL law allowed us to keep weapon in vehicles, but even with a permit, there was no carrying on campus. I had to go work with 8th graders with serious assault records. I would prepare, tread lightly at times, and pray. Part of the reason I was okay with leaving teaching is that I wasn't disarmed for 40 hours each week.
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The irony ::)
Please go ahead and explain to me how giving teachers the right to defend themselves is a bad thing....Hell lets make it a bit broader, not necessarily teachers but someone else who works in schools, administrators or anyone who is responsible and has the time to participate in regular firearm training drills.
Well, right off the top - stats show a house with a weapon is more dangerous than one without. So, you've increased the danger factor of the house/school by 20-30, perhaps more depending on the number of rooms/classrooms. Hell, the 20-30 factor is far too conservative given that you have people who are not trained marksmen, and who would be emotionally compromised making instant life and death decisions against someone rage-filled, holding a grudge and a semi-automatic. Even if the shooter was killed, expect collateral deaths by friendly fire. And that's not even addressing the legalities or subsequent litigiousness of such an enterprise.
You, Sir, are an intellect of staggering smallness.
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Well, right off the top - stats show a house with a weapon is more dangerous than one without.
Uh, hurr durr?
Lol.
I would hope that if I carried a weapon I would be more dangerous than if I wasnt.
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The irony ::)
Please go ahead and explain to me how giving teachers the right to defend themselves is a bad thing....Hell lets make it a bit broader, not necessarily teachers but someone else who works in schools, administrators or anyone who is responsible and has the time to participate in regular firearm training drills.
Kindergarten or first grade teachers are not going to become Audie Murphy. That's why they teach first grade, and are not in the marines. This is utter bullshit.
There is just no way to protect a kindergarten class against some nutcase with a semi-automatic. There is no time. No one is fast enough, unless they are standing there with a gun drawn.
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i hated not being able to pack heat when i was a teacher. some of my students had been busted with weapons, I knew some of them were probably armed at school. powerless. that part sucked. FL law allowed us to keep weapon in vehicles, but even with a permit, there was no carrying on campus. I had to go work with 8th graders with serious assault records. I would prepare, tread lightly at times, and pray. Part of the reason I was okay with leaving teaching is that I wasn't disarmed for 40 hours each week.
I wore a shirt that said Getbig on it. They got the message.
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Lol @ people still not understanding that criminals will break even the strictest laws and bans that could ever be enforced.
Dumbasses. ::)
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Lol @ people still not understanding that criminals will break even the strictest laws and bans that could ever be enforced.
Dumbasses. ::)
The primary issue at the moment is not criminals.
Rather, it is 20-30 year olds with severe mental problems. They don't have gangs. They don't want to be noticed.
You can have 100 drug-related killings on MLK's birthday, and nobody's really interested.
But if someone kills off a 1st grade class, say goodbye to semi's.
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Just on the firearms risk thing, there are about 500 - 750 fatalities per year from accidents in the US.
To put that into perspective, accidental household drownings occur at a higher rate, fatal bicycle accidents at about the same rate, deaths from falling out of bed occur at about 400 - 500, etc.....
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Well. Wait for the next one, and see the same people spewing the same arguments.
Of course it's going to happen again , the question is would banning ( not an actual ban by the way ) these types of weapons prevent it? You're a smart guy , you know prohibition doesn't work
Let's say the stopped the manufacturer of all of these weapons hence forth and an actual complete ban not just cosmetic features , as well as all magazines over 10 rounds , this will still not stop this event from happening, why?
They've been making the M16/AR15 platform since 1959 , millions upon millions of these rifles are in existence already , same goes with 20/30 round magazines. Pass a complete ban it does nothing but punish people who did nothing
I have a 10 year old son and after the tragedy all of the schools in our city now have a police officer at them with guess what? the exact same guns the guy who killed all the children had. Guns are tools they can be used to protect or destroy it's all contingent on the operator.
The brutal truth is , we can NOT stop people from doing these acts because no one knows when or where some one will strike.
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"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
- George Orwell
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You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass. Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, 1941
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Well, right off the top - stats show a house with a weapon is more dangerous than one without. So, you've increased the danger factor of the house/school by 20-30, perhaps more depending on the number of rooms/classrooms. Hell, the 20-30 factor is far too conservative given that you have people who are not trained marksmen, and who would be emotionally compromised making instant life and death decisions against someone rage-filled, holding a grudge and a semi-automatic. Even if the shooter was killed, expect collateral deaths by friendly fire. And that's not even addressing the legalities or subsequent litigiousness of such an enterprise.
You, Sir, are an intellect of staggering smallness.
Hurrr...I don't think other people are capable of using guns so lets take their right to self-defense away. Oh yea even if we give people guns then because if even one kid is accidentally killed due to friendly fire the number of lives saved is totally not worth it.
This is your fucking argument.
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Great LEGENDARY Quotes TA
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"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
- George Orwell
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i am afraid i dont have the time to read 43 pages, so i dont know if this has already been discussed as the best way by which this tragedy could have been avoided
why weren't those 6 year olds packing concealed hand guns? If kids in elementary schools, high schools, colleges were all packing none of these recent massacres would have occurred.
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Is it still 20 kids and 6 adults? I never heard numbers of how many were shot but not killed and headed to the hospital or did he kill everyone that got shot?
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he killed everyone cause none were packing
if this bastard had come into a classroom full of 6 year old kids with their berettas, glocks, sig sauers, etc he would probably pop 3 or 4 but no more
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Aw, why the long face?
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Health/ap_adam_lanza_ll_121217_wg.jpg)
(http://lanicpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/alien1.jpg)
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he killed everyone cause none were packing
if this bastard had come into a classroom full of 6 year old kids with their berettas, glocks, sig sauers, etc he would probably pop 3 or 4 but no more
Exactly, why 5 year olds aren't permitted to carry a concealed weapon is beyond me!
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Healthcare is a privilege owning a gun is a right. WTF. Way to go America
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"Grandpa's rifle on the wall of his cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
- George Orwell
Slight edit.
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Psychiatrist: Lanza Was 'Pseudocommando' with 'Wounded Narcissism'
Breitbart News ^ | 12-18-2012 | Breitbart News
Posted on December 18, 2012 7:12:14 PM EST by servo1969
Psychiatrist James Knoll told CNN’s Headline News today that Adam Lanza, the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, was acting in a “ritualistic” way during the horrific events. Knoll, who does research at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University, said in a recent report that killers like Lanza see themselves as “pseudocommandos … driven by strong feelings of anger and resentment, in addition to having a paranoid character. He plans out the offense ritualistically, and comes prepared with a powerful arsenal of weapons.”
The report continues: “[The pseudocommando] most often kills in public during the daytime. And has no escape planned. Pseudocommandos are 'collectors of injustice' who nurture their wounded narcissism and ultimately retreat into a fantasy life of violence and revenge."
Knoll wrote that killers like Lanza have an “obliterative mindset … his ‘self’ is already dead and … his physical death is of little consequence” in his own mind.
Knoll emailed HLN to let them know that psychiatry couldn’t do much about these sorts of people. “We think far too shallow about these events. We concern ourselves with metal detectors, security systems, 'profiles,' preventing 'the mentally ill' from obtaining firearms. This is shallow, facile thinking. Want to make a material impact? Think deeper. Cultivate a respect for how to teach compassion, nonviolence and personal responsibility in individual minds.”
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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Cultivate a respect for how to teach compassion, nonviolence and personal responsibility in individual minds.
Exactly, this is why I like Buddhism, as it has these goals in mind. Ironically, the more people consider the community over their own needs, the individual will prosper. A society that is deeply individualistic, putting a premium on individual selfishness and narcissistic drives will not only be a dangerous society but also a miserable one, devoid of meaningful connections, real love and community purpose. It is very hard to become compassionate, non violent and take responsibility, and when one tries too will find great opposition, both within and without. Nations must take responsibility for all it's citizens, and not heap blame on those who the group has failed and as a result of that the outcast and downtrodden take their Revenge. JMO
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Nations must take responsibility for all it's citizens, and not heap blame on those who the group has failed and as a result of that the outcast and downtrodden take their Revenge. JMO
On an individual, non governmental level... I absulutly agree
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2012: Hurricane Sandy. SandyHook Elmentary.
Coincidence? I think not.
Abdominal Cswollman/Hierarchy Approved
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2012: Hurricane Sandy. SandyHook Elmentary.
Coincidence? I think not.
Abdominal Cswollman/Hierarchy Approved
Goes deeper than that bropotamus -
Hurricane Sandy - Sandy Hook Shooting keeps people from thinking of 12 -21- 2012.
Aurora (numeric order code of the letters) = 1 +22+18+15+22+1 = 79. 79 is the elemental number of Gold. Gold will be the only thing of value when the economy collapses on 12/21......... Now who controls the Gold........ The Illuminati !
It's a plot to enslave us all.
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Is this a normal reaction to your 6 year old daughter having just been shot.
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That type of thing I just chalk up to nervous reaction, like Cops that joke at accidents, etc.....
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Goes deeper than that bropotamus -
Hurricane Sandy - Sandy Hook Shooting keeps people from thinking of 12 -21- 2012.
Aurora (numeric order code of the letters) = 1 +22+18+15+22+1 = 79. 79 is the elemental number of Gold. Gold will be the only thing of value when the economy collapses on 12/21......... Now who controls the Gold........ The Illuminati !
It's a plot to enslave us all.
;).
Lol!
I literally spent 5 minutes trying to add letters up and find a secret numeric code to make my post even that much better....but I couldn't find anything, and I realized im too old to be doing this nonsense, so I moved on.
Except that....
SANDY= 19 1 14 4 25 = 9/11 twin towers, the 14th is the date of the Sandy shooting, and 25 + the extra "1" = how many people killed on the 14th.
Were really making some progress here and discovering "things to consider."
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Goes deeper than that bropotamus -
Hurricane Sandy - Sandy Hook Shooting keeps people from thinking of 12 -21- 2012.
Aurora (numeric order code of the letters) = 1 +22+18+15+22+1 = 79. 79 is the elemental number of Gold. Gold will be the only thing of value when the economy collapses on 12/21......... Now who controls the Gold........ The Illuminati !
It's a plot to enslave us all.
;).
This better start happening soon or it is a hoax. It is already 12-21-2012 in some parts of the world....so far, I've heard nothing.
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'Like Jesus, Annie laid down her life'
NY cardinal compares slain Conn. teacher to Jesus
http://news.yahoo.com/ny-cardinal-compares-slain-conn-teacher-jesus-163230478.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ny-cardinal-compares-slain-conn-teacher-jesus-163230478.html)
NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) — A single bell tolled Thursday at the Connecticut funeral of a 6-year-old girl killed by a gunman at her elementary school, while a cardinal in New York compared a slain teacher to Jesus for giving up her life to protect others.
In Newtown, the site of the shooting rampage, grim-faced mourners hurried through the packed parking lot of St. Rose of Lima Church to attend the funeral Mass for 6-year-old Catherine Hubbard.
Catherine's family said in her obituary that she would be remembered for her passion for animals and her constant smile.
Catherine was among the 20 students and six teachers killed when Adam Lanza, armed with a military-style assault rifle, broke into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown on Dec. 14 and opened fire. Lanza killed his mother at her home before the attack and committed suicide at the school as police closed in.
Funerals were also scheduled in Connecticut on Thursday for 7-year-old Grace McDonnell and 6-year-olds Benjamin Andrew Wheeler, Jesse Lewis and Allison Wyatt, and a memorial was held for teacher Lauren Gabrielle Rousseau.
In New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan told mourners at the funeral of 52-year-old Anne Marie Murphy that the teacher "brought together a community, a nation, a world, now awed by her own life and death."
Murphy's father, Hugh McGowan, said authorities told him that she died trying to protect her young pupils. Her body was found covering a group of children's bodies as if to shield them, McGowan said.
Dolan underscored her sacrifice.
"Like Jesus, Annie laid down her life for her friends," Dolan said. "Like Jesus, Annie's life and death brings light, truth, goodness and love to a world often shrouded in darkness, evil, selfishness and death."
About 15 people arrived at St. Mary of the Assumption Church in Katonah, N.Y., in a yellow school bus with "Newtown" written on its side. The church quickly filled and about 100 mourners waited outside.
Janelle Wingert, of Wyoming, said in an email interview that she met Murphy when they were involved in the same faith-based community service activities in the Newtown area. She said Murphy asked her after 9/11 what she would do if someone attacked a school where she was working.
"She was serious and so intense in the question," Wingert said in a Facebook post. "She died doing exactly what she said she would do — put herself between the gunman and her little ones, who she saw as the most precious of all in God's heart."
Trinity Episcopal church on Newtown's Main Street was filled to capacity for the funeral of Benjamin Wheeler, and scores of mourners who couldn't get in milled about outside. The service for a child described as a lighthouse buff, budding musician and Beatles fan included a rendition of "Here Comes The Sun" and the hymn "Amazing Grace."
Benjamin's five uncles acted as pallbearers. About two dozen Boy Scout leaders lined the front pathway to the church in honor of the former Cub Scout.
In downtown Danbury, mourners filed into the ornate white-pillared First Congregational Church for a memorial service for teacher Lauren Rousseau. The congregation in the packed church sang "Morning Has Broken" and "Let There Be Peace On Earth."
Friends wept on the altar as they remembered the spirited, hardworking, sunny-natured young woman who loved children and animals, especially cats, and who had always wanted to be a teacher. They spoke of how the 30-year-old brightened their lives with her silliness and gave them all nicknames.
A U.S. Justice Department official told The Associated Press that Attorney General Eric Holder would travel to Newtown on Thursday to meet with first responders and law enforcement officials. The trip comes after Holder met with Vice President Joe Biden, who is tasked with leading an administration-wide effort to create new proposals for reducing gun violence.
The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the trip hadn't been publicly announced.
In addition to the services, the families of 6-year-old Olivia Rose Engel, behavioral therapist Rachel Marie D'Avino and school psychologist Mary Sherlach have calling hours Thursday.
At least nine funerals and wakes were held Wednesday, and more are set for Friday and Saturday.
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I've enjoyed watching Piers Morgan go bonkers on his show the last couple of evenings.
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who is Piers Morgan ??? ???
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who is Piers Morgan ??? ???
a guy who goes bonkers on his show
***He also had his own talk show at one time, I think. And I believe he does the voice over Intro for the show "The Chew"
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a guy who goes bonkers on his show
***He also had his own talk show at one time, I think. And I believe he does the voice over Intro for the show "The Chew"
guy looks like a sensitive maxi pad
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guy looks like a sensitive maxi pad
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He is. I can't fucking stand that guy. Why he is on US tv is beyond me, he needs to fuck off back to the UK.
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guy looks like a sensitive maxi pad
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He is. I can't fucking stand that guy. Why he is on US tv is beyond me, he needs to fuck off back to the UK.
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This. the guy morgan is terrible. Dreadful. Some of the worst TV on TV and that's tough to do.
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'Like Jesus, Annie laid down her life'
NY cardinal compares slain Conn. teacher to Jesus
http://news.yahoo.com/ny-cardinal-compares-slain-conn-teacher-jesus-163230478.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ny-cardinal-compares-slain-conn-teacher-jesus-163230478.html)
NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) — A single bell tolled Thursday at the Connecticut funeral of a 6-year-old girl killed by a gunman at her elementary school, while a cardinal in New York compared a slain teacher to Jesus for giving up her life to protect others.
In Newtown, the site of the shooting rampage, grim-faced mourners hurried through the packed parking lot of St. Rose of Lima Church to attend the funeral Mass for 6-year-old Catherine Hubbard.
Catherine's family said in her obituary that she would be remembered for her passion for animals and her constant smile.
Catherine was among the 20 students and six teachers killed when Adam Lanza, armed with a military-style assault rifle, broke into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown on Dec. 14 and opened fire. Lanza killed his mother at her home before the attack and committed suicide at the school as police closed in.
Funerals were also scheduled in Connecticut on Thursday for 7-year-old Grace McDonnell and 6-year-olds Benjamin Andrew Wheeler, Jesse Lewis and Allison Wyatt, and a memorial was held for teacher Lauren Gabrielle Rousseau.
In New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan told mourners at the funeral of 52-year-old Anne Marie Murphy that the teacher "brought together a community, a nation, a world, now awed by her own life and death."
Murphy's father, Hugh McGowan, said authorities told him that she died trying to protect her young pupils. Her body was found covering a group of children's bodies as if to shield them, McGowan said.
Dolan underscored her sacrifice.
"Like Jesus, Annie laid down her life for her friends," Dolan said. "Like Jesus, Annie's life and death brings light, truth, goodness and love to a world often shrouded in darkness, evil, selfishness and death."
About 15 people arrived at St. Mary of the Assumption Church in Katonah, N.Y., in a yellow school bus with "Newtown" written on its side. The church quickly filled and about 100 mourners waited outside.
Janelle Wingert, of Wyoming, said in an email interview that she met Murphy when they were involved in the same faith-based community service activities in the Newtown area. She said Murphy asked her after 9/11 what she would do if someone attacked a school where she was working.
"She was serious and so intense in the question," Wingert said in a Facebook post. "She died doing exactly what she said she would do — put herself between the gunman and her little ones, who she saw as the most precious of all in God's heart."
Trinity Episcopal church on Newtown's Main Street was filled to capacity for the funeral of Benjamin Wheeler, and scores of mourners who couldn't get in milled about outside. The service for a child described as a lighthouse buff, budding musician and Beatles fan included a rendition of "Here Comes The Sun" and the hymn "Amazing Grace."
Benjamin's five uncles acted as pallbearers. About two dozen Boy Scout leaders lined the front pathway to the church in honor of the former Cub Scout.
In downtown Danbury, mourners filed into the ornate white-pillared First Congregational Church for a memorial service for teacher Lauren Rousseau. The congregation in the packed church sang "Morning Has Broken" and "Let There Be Peace On Earth."
Friends wept on the altar as they remembered the spirited, hardworking, sunny-natured young woman who loved children and animals, especially cats, and who had always wanted to be a teacher. They spoke of how the 30-year-old brightened their lives with her silliness and gave them all nicknames.
A U.S. Justice Department official told The Associated Press that Attorney General Eric Holder would travel to Newtown on Thursday to meet with first responders and law enforcement officials. The trip comes after Holder met with Vice President Joe Biden, who is tasked with leading an administration-wide effort to create new proposals for reducing gun violence.
The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the trip hadn't been publicly announced.
In addition to the services, the families of 6-year-old Olivia Rose Engel, behavioral therapist Rachel Marie D'Avino and school psychologist Mary Sherlach have calling hours Thursday.
At least nine funerals and wakes were held Wednesday, and more are set for Friday and Saturday.
Not only are they Heroes, there like Jesus. WOW
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LIKE JESUS
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I just love the age old logic, guns dont kill people. people do....
I love america.... they have their faults like everyone.. but they have iron will and heart...
BUT something needs to be done.... about the guns
Nulear weopons dont kill people either... its people that do it but you guys seem to not want anyone to have nuclear power...
same rule should be applied to guns applied to guns.....
there are other ways to protect property.... stop hiding behind that
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I just love the age old logic, guns dont kill people. people do....
I love america.... they have their faults like everyone.. but they have iron will and heart...
BUT something needs to be done.... about the guns
Nulear weopons dont kill people either... its people that do it but you guys seem to not want anyone to have nuclear power...
same rule should be applied to guns applied to guns.....
there are other ways to protect property.... stop hiding behind that
Americans are CRAZY, and what makes their craziness scary is they don't even know it. You can just imagine gun nutter Nancy Lanza spouting all the same nonsense, I need my guns for protection for me and my family, guns don't kill people, the answer is More guns etc etc. And what was this Gun Nutters fate: Being shot in the face 4 times at close range by her own gun in her own house by her own son. What makes a Gun Nutter a Nutter is their lack of reasonableness, their obsessive personalities, their rigid black & white outlook, these people would rather be shot in the face 4 times at close range by their own gun in their own house by their own son than see reason. That's what makes these people Nutters, they are BEYOND help, and as a nation comprised of tens of millions of these type of Nutters, they deserve everything the get. If as a nation that want to send a collective FUCK YOU to their children, and condemn them to violence and misery and propaganda and lies, so be it, but if they expect the rest of the world to remain silent while they enable the slaughter of 5 year old children, they can get Fucked. I guarantee, nothing will change, these shootings will continue with the same frequent regularity that they always have, the Americans have created the perfect environment for this. Americans are arrogant, ignorant beasts, and their chickens have come home to roost, they made their bed, now they must lie in it.
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Americans are CRAZY, and what makes their craziness scary is they don't even know it. You can just imagine gun nutter Nancy Lanza spouting all the same nonsense, I need my guns for protection for me and my family, guns don't kill people, the answer is More guns etc etc. And what was this Gun Nutters fate: Being shot in the face 4 times at close range by her own gun in her own house by her own son. What makes a Gun Nutter a Nutter is their lack of reasonableness, their obsessive personalities, their rigid black & white outlook, these people would rather be shot in the face 4 times at close range by their own gun in their own house by their own son than see reason. That's what makes these people Nutters, they are BEYOND help, and as a nation comprised of tens of millions of these type of Nutters, they deserve everything the get. If as a nation that want to send a collective FUCK YOU to their children, and condemn them to violence and misery and propaganda and lies, so be it, but if they expect the rest of the world to remain silent while they enable the slaughter of 5 year old children, they can get Fucked. I guarantee, nothing will change, these shootings will continue with the same frequent regularity that they always have, the Americans have created the perfect environment for this. Americans are arrogant, ignorant beasts, and their chickens have come home to roost, they made their bed, now they must lie in it.
Fear. And more of it.
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Americans are CRAZY, and what makes their craziness scary is they don't even know it. You can just imagine gun nutter Nancy Lanza spouting all the same nonsense, I need my guns for protection for me and my family, guns don't kill people, the answer is More guns etc etc. And what was this Gun Nutters fate: Being shot in the face 4 times at close range by her own gun in her own house by her own son. What makes a Gun Nutter a Nutter is their lack of reasonableness, their obsessive personalities, their rigid black & white outlook, these people would rather be shot in the face 4 times at close range by their own gun in their own house by their own son than see reason. That's what makes these people Nutters, they are BEYOND help, and as a nation comprised of tens of millions of these type of Nutters, they deserve everything the get. If as a nation that want to send a collective FUCK YOU to their children, and condemn them to violence and misery and propaganda and lies, so be it, but if they expect the rest of the world to remain silent while they enable the slaughter of 5 year old children, they can get Fucked. I guarantee, nothing will change, these shootings will continue with the same frequent regularity that they always have, the Americans have created the perfect environment for this. Americans are arrogant, ignorant beasts, and their chickens have come home to roost, they made their bed, now they must lie in it.
I believe it is fear...... as someone looking in from the outside its clear as day fear... also its hrd to change a culture they have lived with for years... I dont think it will change anyway....
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A gun would have been far more effective, he would have at least managed to kill someone, pity for him, guns are hard to get in China.
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A gun would have been far more effective, he would have at least managed to kill someone, pity for him, guns are hard to get in China.
hmm,, don t u think we should ban knifes also? looks like the right thing to do
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hmm,, don t u think we should ban knifes also? looks like the right thing to do
Why ban knifes, not very effective if killing dozens of human beings in a few minutes is your goal, takes time to kill with a knife, and leaves you open to be ambushed and stopped, and killing with a knife is very personal and hands on, harder to do psychologically, from a mass killers perspective, very low on the list of weapons to use when aiming to cause maximum death, carnage and impact. Plus you can use knives when cooking!
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hmm, u re are very materialistic,, think - 20 hard, passionate killings , full of emotion vs 40-50 impersonal shots
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http://news.yahoo.com/nra-calls-armed-police-officer-every-school-162851713.html (http://news.yahoo.com/nra-calls-armed-police-officer-every-school-162851713.html)
NRA calls for armed police officer in every school
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation's largest gun-rights lobby called Friday for armed police officers to be posted in every American school to stop the next killer "waiting in the wings."
The National Rifle Association broke its silence Friday on last week's shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 children and staff dead.
The group's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference that "the next Adam Lanza," the man responsible for last week's mayhem, is planning an attack on another school.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said.
He blamed video games, movies and music videos for exposing children to a violent culture day in and day out.
"In a race to the bottom, many conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society, by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty right into our homes," LaPierre said.
He refused to take any questions after speaking. Still, though security was tight, two protesters were able to interrupt LaPierre's speech, holding up signs that blamed the NRA for killing children. Both were escorted out, shouting that guns in schools are not the answer.
More than a dozen security officers checked media credentials at various checkpoints and patrolled the hotel ballroom.
LaPierre announced that former Rep. Asa Hutchison, R-Ark., will lead an NRA program that will develop a model security plan for schools that relies on armed volunteers.
The 4.3 million-member NRA largely disappeared from public debate after the shootings in Newtown, Conn., choosing atypical silence as a strategy as the nation sought answers after the rampage. The NRA temporarily took down its Facebook page and kept quiet on Twitter.
Since the slayings, President Barack Obama has demanded "real action, right now" against U.S. gun violence and called on the NRA to join the effort. Moving quickly after several congressional gun-rights supporters said they would consider new legislation to control firearms, the president said this week he wants proposals to reduce gun violence that he can take to Congress by January.
Obama has already asked Congress to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and pass legislation that would stop people from purchasing firearms from private sellers without a background check. Obama also has indicated he wants Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity magazines.
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16063999-obama-on-gun-control-petition-we-hear-you?lite (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16063999-obama-on-gun-control-petition-we-hear-you?lite)
Obama on gun control petition: 'We hear you"
In Friday's video, the president responded to a "We the People" petition on the White House website that allows the public to submit petitions. Nearly 200,000 people have urged Obama to address gun control in one petition and petitions related to gun violence have amassed more than 400,000 signatures.
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America Population
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SO FUCK WHAT THE OTHER 314,570,000 PEOPLE WANT THEN RIGHT OBAMA ???
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the funny thing is, this fagGgot would be handed from his shit infested dick in almost any other country in the world .
ITS the Fire Arms that give him the right to interrupt a mans speech with his political views.
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http://news.yahoo.com/nra-calls-armed-police-officer-every-school-162851713.html (http://news.yahoo.com/nra-calls-armed-police-officer-every-school-162851713.html)
NRA calls for armed police officer in every school
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation's largest gun-rights lobby called Friday for armed police officers to be posted in every American school to stop the next killer "waiting in the wings."
The National Rifle Association broke its silence Friday on last week's shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 children and staff dead.
The group's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference that "the next Adam Lanza," the man responsible for last week's mayhem, is planning an attack on another school.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said.
He blamed video games, movies and music videos for exposing children to a violent culture day in and day out.
"In a race to the bottom, many conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society, by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty right into our homes," LaPierre said.
He refused to take any questions after speaking. Still, though security was tight, two protesters were able to interrupt LaPierre's speech, holding up signs that blamed the NRA for killing children. Both were escorted out, shouting that guns in schools are not the answer.
More than a dozen security officers checked media credentials at various checkpoints and patrolled the hotel ballroom.
LaPierre announced that former Rep. Asa Hutchison, R-Ark., will lead an NRA program that will develop a model security plan for schools that relies on armed volunteers.
The 4.3 million-member NRA largely disappeared from public debate after the shootings in Newtown, Conn., choosing atypical silence as a strategy as the nation sought answers after the rampage. The NRA temporarily took down its Facebook page and kept quiet on Twitter.
Since the slayings, President Barack Obama has demanded "real action, right now" against U.S. gun violence and called on the NRA to join the effort. Moving quickly after several congressional gun-rights supporters said they would consider new legislation to control firearms, the president said this week he wants proposals to reduce gun violence that he can take to Congress by January.
Obama has already asked Congress to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and pass legislation that would stop people from purchasing firearms from private sellers without a background check. Obama also has indicated he wants Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity magazines.
haha, I cant believe this idiot blamed music, movies, and video games lol.
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haha, I cant believe this idiot blamed music, movies, and video games lol.
Well, what else is he gonna do except point at everything but himself? The gun genie is out of the bottle and isn't gonna be put back in. :-\
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Yes!! Blame alcohol for drunk driving, cigarettes for lung cancer, food for fat people.....
Wake the fuck up and instill some personal responsibility on people for their own actions.
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Creepy dude was doing his best Nathan Thurm aka the lawyer that said cigarettes are good for you. LOL
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haha, I cant believe this idiot blamed music, movies, and video games lol.
hahaa what a fucking dipshit. the fact of the matter is, the exact same instincts which drive people to play video games also give people pleasure in using firearms.
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And now there is countless funds setup for donations to the victims families. Now why exactly do we need to be donating money to the families of the victims? Sure, donate enough to cover funeral expenses and such, but do we really need to turn the victims families into millionaires like people did with families of the 911 victims after all the donations were handed out to them. It's not like their house burned down and they lose all their possessions and need money for a new home. What's the deal with all the funds being set up?
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And now there is countless funds setup for donations to the victims families. Now why exactly do we need to be donating money to the families of the victims? Sure, donate enough to cover funeral expenses and such, but do we really need to turn the victims families into millionaires like people did with families of the 911 victims after all the donations were handed out to them. It's not like their house burned down and they lose all their possessions and need money for a new home. What's the deal with all the funds being set up?
NONE of the families need financial help. This is just preposterous!
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hahaa what a fucking dipshit. the fact of the matter is, the exact same instincts which drive people to play video games also give people pleasure in using firearms.
Well, I dont think its one isolated thing such as violent video games/movies or guns.
Its more likely a combination of things.
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And now there is countless funds setup for donations to the victims families. Now why exactly do we need to be donating money to the families of the victims? Sure, donate enough to cover funeral expenses and such, but do we really need to turn the victims families into millionaires like people did with families of the 911 victims after all the donations were handed out to them. It's not like their house burned down and they lose all their possessions and need money for a new home. What's the deal with all the funds being set up?
Hilarious. You, Sir, are an idiot. Not only have Firsters ('9/'11) been denied monies from funds set up for them, crippled/HC' ed veterans (of FWs) are dying faster than cash can get to them.
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Well, I dont think its one isolated thing such as violent video games/movies or guns.
Its more likely a combination of things.
Read my story about living with a potential mass murderer. :-\ They will always be with us.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=452648.msg6503219#msg6503219
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ConGrats on the 100,000 post 333386,
So thats what happens to the POST COUNT when you roll over to the Hundreds of thousands
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And in today's other big news:
Responsible people were still acting responsibly.
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Read my story about living with a potential mass murderer. :-\ They will always be with us.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=452648.msg6503219#msg6503219
So I am not too sure how your story relates to what I said, besides proving there will always be killers? Sure, there will, but I guess trying to diminish the numbers is the goal, according to some people.
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And in today's other big news:
Responsible people were still acting responsibly.
But, of course, until they decided to shoot up a school of kids, they weren't.
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Obama on gun control petition: 'We hear you"
In Friday's video, the president responded to a "We the People" petition on the White House website that allows the public to submit petitions.
Is that the same President that couldn't hear the four people who were killed, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, at the American diplomatic mission at Benghazi, in Libya, pleading for help during the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack?
Same guy right?
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But, of course, until they decided to shoot up a school of kids, they weren't.
So let's legislate the 99.999999999999999999999% of society that were.
Dumb enough to be liberal.
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But, of course, until they decided to shoot up a school of kids, they weren't.
In a liberal's mind, mentally ill is considered responsible, correct?
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In a liberal's mind, mentally ill is considered responsible, correct?
3 posts in a row is getting there. Settle down, psycho. ::)
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Mentally ill is not realizing these semiautomatics give nutjobs the confidence they need to carry out these mass killings/suicides.
Revolvers wouldn't provide that confidence to successfully carry this out.
These guys are crazy, not stupid.
just sayin..........
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Why ban knifes, not very effective if killing dozens of human beings in a few minutes is your goal, takes time to kill with a knife, and leaves you open to be ambushed and stopped, and killing with a knife is very personal and hands on, harder to do psychologically, from a mass killers perspective, very low on the list of weapons to use when aiming to cause maximum death, carnage and impact. Plus you can use knives when cooking!
How right your are (for once)! People wielding knives can be scary if they are on the attack, but not nearly as threatening as someone with an semi-automatic rifle. Knives can do some serious damage to a person, but at least one has a fighting chance with one. This is not so much the case with a gun.
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Lol @ dumbfucks still thinking a ban or more laws will stop criminals.
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what's 15 have to say about it all?
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In a liberal's mind, mentally ill is considered responsible, correct?
I can't speak for all liberals....but then, neither can you. Anyway, a mentally ill person is just that, ill. Some mentally ill people may actually lead responsible lives while others do not. It would depend on the nature of the illness and how severe it is. I don't advocate locking up all mentally ill people in prisons, if that's what you are suggesting. However, I don't agree with letting seriously mentally ill people live on their own either as is current practice in most of the U.S. since we have closed all but a few of the facilities for mentally ill people. In many cases, mentally ill people live on the streets in our cities and towns.
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Lol @ dumbfucks still thinking a ban or more laws will stop criminals.
Perhaps you don't realize there is a difference between common criminals and people who are mentally ill. However, banning guns will probably not keep them out of the hands of either criminals or mentally ill people. It might, however, reduce the availability of these weapons to some folks. As I have previously posted, it makes no sense to me why the average citizen needs to possess semi-automatic weapons. In my opinion these kinds of weapons should be outlawed.
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Well, what else is he gonna do except point at everything but himself? The gun genie is out of the bottle and isn't gonna be put back in. :-\
Are you trying to say he's responsible?
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Mentally ill is not realizing these semiautomatics give nutjobs the confidence they need to carry out these mass killings/suicides.
Revolvers wouldn't provide that confidence to successfully carry this out.
These guys are crazy, not stupid.
just sayin..........
Do you believe the rifle was used in the CT shootings or left in the car as originally reported?
The government is telling you that the rifle was used, the media told us that only handguns were used.
Obama can't scream for an assault weapon ban if it was sitting in the trunk of Lanza's car now can he?
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Indeed what use can a gun have except to kill someone? Why would a non-moron want to own one?
Nation of fear and insecurity.
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Perhaps you don't realize there is a difference between common criminals and people who are mentally ill. However, banning guns will probably not keep them out of the hands of either criminals or mentally ill people. It might, however, reduce the availability of these weapons to some folks. As I have previously posted, it makes no sense to me why the average citizen needs to possess semi-automatic weapons. In my opinion these kinds of weapons should be outlawed.
Perhaps you also don't understand why someone would need a car that goes faster than 65? Or why do people need alcohol? Cigarettes?
Compare the death stats and ask yourself where the real danger is.
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Indeed what use can a gun have except to kill someone? Why would a non-moron want to own one?
Nation of fear and insecurity.
Guns have multiple uses but I wont skirt around the issue , I have an AR15 to kill some one intent on hurting me or my family. I have NO shame in wanting to protect myself or my family.
Don't like guns? Don't get one but please don't try and tell me I can't.
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Indeed what use can a gun have except to kill someone? Why would a non-moron want to own one?
Nation of fear and insecurity.
What if I told you Guns are a piece of art?
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Statistically USA shoots itself more than any other country, hahahahahahahaha
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Statistically USA shoots itself more than any other country, hahahahahahahaha
Another foreign troll who really doesn't care about any of the victims , just want to join the party in USA bashing
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When I was a kid, we played "Cowboys and Indians" with plastic guns every day.
I never grew up and shot any real Indians? So I'm finding the video game excuse pretty fucking lame.
Some spoiled brat, head case of an adult, was having a temper tantrum because he didn't get his own way, so he murdered his mother and 26 innocent, defenseless people, including 20 children. Stop calling it anything but that.
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When I was a kid, we played "Cowboys and Indians" with plastic guns every day.
I never grew up and shot any real Indians? So I'm finding the video game excuse pretty fucking lame.
Some spoiled brat, head case of an adult, was having a temper tantrum because he didn't get his own way, so he murdered his mother and 26 innocent, defenseless people, including 20 children. Stop calling it anything but that.
It is lame , and he's just as much of an asshole as the anti-gunners who claim the inanimate object is to blame , it blames everyone but the person responsible.
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Some spoiled brat, head case of an adult, was having a temper tantrum because he didn't get his own way, so he murdered his mother and 26 innocent, defenseless people, including 20 children. Stop calling it anything but that.
This is the logic that confuses people that are looking to blame anything except the perpetrator of the crime and what drove him to do it.
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Another foreign troll who really doesn't care about any of the victims , just want to join the party in USA bashing
Noone advocating the ownership of guns can pretend to care about these kids. Any sane person can see chidrens lives > outdated pride in a long irrelevent "constitutional right". You all shit your pants that maturing as a nation and doing the obvious sensible thing will somehow make you look weak or compromise the morals on which the, in many ways great, Nation was founded. Totally pathetic bunch of rednecks. Grow up.
To the rest of the world it's like watching an episode of King of The Hill where Hank won't admit he's wrong in case it compromises his notion of himself as a man.....except this is real and involves 6-16 year olds getting shot in the face every couple of weeks.
pretty sickening stuff.
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Noone advocating the ownership of guns can pretend to care about these kids. Any sane person can see chidrens lives > outdated pride in a long irrelevent "constitutional right". You all shit your pants that maturing as a nation and doing the obvious sensible thing will somehow make you look weak or compromise the morals on which the, in many ways great, Nation was founded. Totally pathetic bunch of rednecks. Grow up.
To the rest of the world it's like watching an episode of King of The Hill where Hank won't admit he's wrong in case it compromises his notion of himself as a man.....except this is real and involves 6-16 year olds getting shot in the face every couple of weeks.
pretty sickening stuff.
Yes we should all strive to be like you ;)
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Noone advocating the ownership of guns can pretend to care about these kids. Any sane person can see chidrens lives > outdated pride in a long irrelevent "constitutional right". You all shit your pants that maturing as a nation and doing the obvious sensible thing will somehow make you look weak or compromise the morals on which the, in many ways great, Nation was founded. Totally pathetic bunch of rednecks. Grow up.
To the rest of the world it's like watching an episode of King of The Hill where Hank won't admit he's wrong in case it compromises his notion of himself as a man.....except this is real and involves 6-16 year olds getting shot in the face every couple of weeks.
pretty sickening stuff.
Oh stop the shit... The premise of constitutional rights extends past these children... Yes, it's a tragedy, but without our rights, both good and bad, then you don't have the country you have today... The country who assisted in 2 world wars and is basically the model by which all other modern western democracies are based on.
Sure... It ain't perfect... Nothing is, but you take the bad with the good.
Does this suck? Of course, and my heart goes out to every single person affected by tragedy, but that doesn't mean that the ideal of what the constitution stands for is any less valid today than it was in the 1780s
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Oh stop the shit... The premise of constitutional rights extends past these children... Yes, it's a tragedy, but without our rights, both good and bad, then you don't have the country you have today... The country who assisted in 2 world wars and is basically the model by which all other modern western democracies are based on.
Sure... It ain't perfect... Nothing is, but you take the bad with the good.
Does this suck? Of course, and my heart goes out to every single person affected by tragedy, but that doesn't mean that the ideal of what the constitution stands for is any less valid today than it was in the 1780s
Solid bro, solid.
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Oh stop the shit... The premise of constitutional rights extends past these children... Yes, it's a tragedy, but without our rights, both good and bad, then you don't have the country you have today... The country who assisted in 2 world wars and is basically the model by which all other modern western democracies are based on.
Sure... It ain't perfect... Nothing is, but you take the bad with the good.
Does this suck? Of course, and my heart goes out to every single person affected by tragedy, but that doesn't mean that the ideal of what the constitution stands for is any less valid today than it was in the 1780s
Concise and accurate
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Some spoiled brat, head case of an adult, was having a temper tantrum because he didn't get his own way, so he murdered his mother and 26 innocent, defenseless people, including 20 children. Stop calling it anything but that.
QFT
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Oh stop the shit... The premise of constitutional rights extends past these children... Yes, it's a tragedy, but without our rights, both good and bad, then you don't have the country you have today... The country who assisted in 2 world wars and is basically the model by which all other modern western democracies are based on.
Sure... It ain't perfect... Nothing is, but you take the bad with the good.
Does this suck? Of course, and my heart goes out to every single person affected by tragedy, but that doesn't mean that the ideal of what the constitution stands for is any less valid today than it was in the 1780s
On your head be it. Clearly no room for introspection here. Your pride is too great, you know everything and the constitution invented all those years ago will always be relevant and never need modifying.
In a few hundred years when you are a less young and more mature nation you may shed the insecurities which generate all this posturing and learn to question things and stop cutting off your nose to spite your face, for want of a better phrase.
What does "it's in the constitution" really mean? And why can't you take it out of the constitution? Is either the domestic or international political climate the same now as when it was written? Er no. Evolve men.
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In a few hundred years when you are a less young and more mature nation you may shed the insecurities which generate all this posturing and learn to question things and stop cutting off your nose to spite your face, for want of a better phrase.
Fuck the fuck off, obnoxiously pretentious fuck.
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On your head be it. Clearly no room for introspection here. Your pride is too great, you know everything and the constitution invented all those years ago will always be relevant and never need modifying.
In a few hundred years when you are a less young and more mature nation you may shed the insecurities which generate all this posturing and learn to question things and stop cutting off your nose to spite your face, for want of a better phrase.
What does "it's in the constitution" really mean? And why can't you take it out of the constitution? Is either the domestic or international political climate the same now as when it was written? Er no. Evolve men.
Keep commenting on what's best for America your fascination is cute but it still wont bring these kids back , it's only after these types of tragedies do douche-bags like you start spewing what we need to do , you're a vulture who smells blood a to spout off your opinion as if it matters
The irony is you're obsessed with America , you're on a American bodybuilding site with a picture of an American bodybuilder next to your , American ( not born ) rapper name , again your fake concern is cute but fuck off if you think you know what's best for this country or anyone cares.
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Although I have no stake in the gun debate, I wonder what the fervent reason is for wanting their guns. It seems less to be about the constitution and more about projecting a certain image. It seems as though most Americans could careless about their country, only when it affects their image. Just sayin'
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What if I told you Guns are a piece of art?
Did "grandpa" tell you that?
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Although I have no stake in the gun debate, I wonder what the fervent reason is for wanting their guns. It seems less to be about the constitution and more about projecting a certain image. It seems as though most Americans could careless about their country, only when it affects their image. Just sayin'
a gun is a tool. just like any other. you keep it should you be the target of a random attack. As the economy gets worse, there are times when bad guys will randomly choose to pick on a random target. a gun will help even the odds a bit, give you a better chance.
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Fuck the fuck off, obnoxiously pretentious fuck.
Lol
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I wonder what the fervent reason is for wanting their guns.
Deep Deep Insecurity held together by paranoia, intense anxiety and fear with a healthy dose of obsession and defiance thrown in. In other words, they're a massive pussy unless they have a gun! without it, they may die of fright if they caught sight of their own shadow.
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Lol @ dumbfucks still thinking a ban or more laws will stop criminals.
Laws don't stop criminals, that's why their called criminals. What they want to prevent, is young kids, who aren't part of the mafia or an organised crime syndicate and have NO criminal record having easy access to high powered weapons when they snap at their shitty treatment by society. The people who commit these mass shootings are NOT criminals. Prior to the shooting they are considered ordinary citizens, dare I say it, just like you. Even serious criminals have a code, and would strongly condemn shooting up a school full of young kids.
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Perhaps you also don't understand why someone would need a car that goes faster than 65? Or why do people need alcohol? Cigarettes?
Compare the death stats and ask yourself where the real danger is.
I understand perfectly that we don't need cars that greatly exceed all speed limits. Keep in mind that in some places the speed limit is actually higher than 65 mph. Citing and fining people who exceed the speed limit is one way of reducing the number of violators.
The danger to others from cigarettes and alcohol is not comparable to that of automatic weapons. However, as has already happened, the punishment for driving while intoxicated has greatly increased in the past couple of decades. Likewise, because of new regulations regarding where someone can smoke have become much more strict, people suffering from secondhand smoke is reduced.
If people want to drink and smoke themselves to death, so be it. Medical insurance premiums are already more expensive for smokers, perhaps drinkers should be added too. I see no reason I should pay higher premiums to compensate for other folks high risk factors, particularly when they are a result of their personal choice.
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Perhaps you also don't understand why someone would need a car that goes faster than 65? Or why do people need alcohol? Cigarettes?
Compare the death stats and ask yourself where the real danger is.
Cigarettes never murdered a 5 year old.
Plus cigarettes don't kill people ::)
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I understand perfectly that we don't need cars that greatly exceed all speed limits. Keep in mind that in some places the speed limit is actually higher than 65 mph. Citing and fining people who exceed the speed limit is one way of reducing the number of violators.
The danger to others from cigarettes and alcohol is not comparable to that of automatic weapons. However, as has already happened, the punishment for driving while intoxicated has greatly increased in the past couple of decades. Likewise, because of new regulations regarding where someone can smoke have become much more strict, people suffering from secondhand smoke is reduced.
If people want to drink and smoke themselves to death, so be it. Medical insurance premiums are already more expensive for smokers, perhaps drinkers should be added too. I see no reason I should pay higher premiums to compensate for other folks high risk factors, particularly when they are a result of their personal choice.
Some guy just got life in prison for driving multiple times under the influence.
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Cigarettes never murdered a 5 year old.
Plus cigarettes don't kill people ::)
Not to be argumentative, but you are wrong about cigarettes not killing people. My stepfather died at 64 years of age from lung cancer caused in part by second hand smoke, which he got from my mother's chain smoking habit. My mother died at 61 from emphysema cause by smoking an endless quantity of cigarettes, every day, starting around age 16. When I as a comparatively young man I had a cancerous growth removed from my bladder, commonly found in smokers, yet I don't smoke.
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Deep Deep Insecurity held together by paranoia, intense anxiety and fear with a healthy dose of obsession and defiance thrown in. In other words, they're a massive pussy unless they have a gun! without it, they may die of fright if they caught sight of their own shadow.
Breathe little girl, relax, breathe, that jealousy is eating you alive.
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Guns have multiple uses but I wont skirt around the issue , I have an AR15 to kill some one intent on hurting me or my family. I have NO shame in wanting to protect myself or my family.
Don't like guns? Don't get one but please don't try and tell me I can't.
My recommendation is to stock up with whatever you need right now, because you and your family are not the only people on the planet.
These semiautos are used to kill, uh excuse me, mow down, innocent people by insane crazies.
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Perhaps the dead mom should have considered one of these. Idiot dead mom.
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My recommendation is to stock up with whatever you need right now, because you and your family are not the only people on the planet.
These semiautos are used to kill, uh excuse me, mow down, innocent people by insane crazies.
When O-Kenya was picked I got everything i wanted and needed in 2007-2008. Whoever waited till now are fucking idiots
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Although I have no stake in the gun debate, I wonder what the fervent reason is for wanting their guns. It seems less to be about the constitution and more about projecting a certain image. It seems as though most Americans could careless about their country, only when it affects their image. Just sayin'
I'd say people are standing behind the Constitution because this current administration would think nothing of shitting on it.
Do I need a personal bazooka launcher.....no? Do I need Michael Bloomberg, Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Fucking Reid telling me how and when I can protect myself and my family.....not in this lifetime.
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Perhaps the dead mom should have considered one of these. Idiot dead mom.
BINGO
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Perhaps the dead mom should have considered one of these. Idiot dead mom.
How dare she go and get herself perished.
::)
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Not to be argumentative, but you are wrong about cigarettes not killing people. My stepfather died at 64 years of age from lung cancer caused in part by second hand smoke, which he got from my mother's chain smoking habit. My mother died at 61 from emphysema cause by smoking an endless quantity of cigarettes, every day, starting around age 16. When I as a comparatively young man I had a cancerous growth removed from my bladder, commonly found in smokers, yet I don't smoke.
I'm not sure if you picked up on it, I was using sarcasm, it was parody of the nonsense cliche Gun Nutters often use that "Guns don't kill people", this ridiculousness can be carried over to anything that kills people. Like This, Alcohol doesn't kill people, cigarettes don't kill people, guns don't kill people, drugs don't kill people, bombs don't kill people and on and on the ridiculousness goes. It's called DENIAL! Of course these things pose a serious health risk to others, their will always be exceptions, but if you have a vested interest in something, it is easiest to deny anything that threatens that interest. Of course Guns kill people! Of Course cigarettes kill people, of course alcohol kills people!
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How dare she go and get herself perished.
::)
Yes, good chance she acted far more heroically than every one of the teachers.
Doesn't change the fact that 20 babies are dead.
But in the words of Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama, "never let a good crisis go to waste".
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Deep Deep Insecurity held together by paranoia, intense anxiety and fear with a healthy dose of obsession and defiance thrown in. In other words, they're a massive pussy unless they have a gun! without it, they may die of fright if they caught sight of their own shadow.
Breathe little girl, relax, breathe, that jealousy is eating you alive.
^^^^^ This
The attitude of your average Gun Lover - strange people indeed!
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Breathe little girl, relax, breathe, that jealousy is eating you alive.
He's fucking nuts, I truly feel sorry for him. He reminds me of a wild animal or something, driving purely by emotion.
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Perhaps the dead mom should have considered one of these. Idiot dead mom.
Or she could have simply not lived in fear, and not owned Guns in the first place! But that would take a healthy dose of common sense and reasonableness, not something the average gun loving American is renowned for!
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^^^^^ This
The attitude of your average Gun Lover - strange people indeed!
The stupidity of your position is that you would have no problem making someone a victim of violent crime just to make you feel like your conscience is clean.
That and the fact that as an American I am superior to you in every way.
Aussie opinion = about as relevant as what Perez Hilton thinks.
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The stupidity of your position is that you would have no problem making someone a victim of violent crime just to make you feel like your conscience is clean.
That and the fact that as an American I am superior to you in every way.
Aussie opinion = about as relevant as what Perez Hilton thinks.
Who the fuck is Perez Hilton?
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He's fucking nuts, I truly feel sorry for him. He reminds me of a wild animal or something, driving purely by emotion.
Never seen a real man have you, fucking cowering, bed wetting, little homo.
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Never seen a real man have you, fucking cowering, bed wetting, little homo.
Not you, you stupid jerk. I'm talking about E-Kul
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Rage misunderstanding. Time for a bro-hug.
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Not you, you stupid jerk. I'm talking about E-Kul
I'd kiss you on the mouth for hating that sack of soggy penis.
;D
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E-Kul will get eaten by a great white shark and blame the USA
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Rage misunderstanding. Time for a bro-hug.
Alright everybody, hands down your pants and kiss your computer monitors on three.
1, 2,....what the fuck is wrong with you people? ;D
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E-Kul will get eaten by a great white shark and blame the USA
I'd kill him, his family, and every person he's ever befriended if I thought it would bring even one of those CT kids back.
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Deep Deep Insecurity held together by paranoia, intense anxiety and fear with a healthy dose of obsession and defiance thrown in. In other words, they're a massive pussy unless they have a gun! without it, they may die of fright if they caught sight of their own shadow.
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Breathe little girl, relax, breathe, that jealousy is eating you alive.
^^^^^ This
The attitude of your average Gun Lover - strange people indeed!
He's fucking nuts, I truly feel sorry for him. He reminds me of a wild animal or something, driving purely by emotion.
Never seen a real man have you, fucking cowering, bed wetting, little homo.
Not you, you stupid jerk. I'm talking about E-Kul
I'd kill him, his family, and every person he's ever befriended
No more questions your Honour, I rest my case!
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I'd kiss you on the mouth for hating that sack of soggy penis.
;D
haha... That's not necessary you loose cannon you. ;D
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E-Kul will get eaten by a great white shark and blame the USA
Actually, he'd start preaching for the great country of Nature to ban the great white on the grounds that they have no other purpose than to kill.
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E-Kul will get eaten by a great white shark and blame the USA
hahahahhaha
That's hilarious because it's true
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haha... That's not necessary you loose cannon you. ;D
Okay, a tight bro hug, two New York Jets offensive huddle butt pats, and a Groink fist bump.
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Actually, he'd start preaching for the great country of Nature to ban the great white on the grounds that they have no other purpose than to kill.
hahaha dead on
Everyone would get so tired of arguing they would give up. ;D
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Okay, a tight bro hug, two New York Jets offensive huddle butt pats, and a Groink fist bump.
no homo?
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no homo?
Absolutely 100% no homo. Never even been near the ice machine at The Mirage.
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No more questions your Honour, I rest my case!
Daddy Basile must be so proud.
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Absolutely 100% no homo. Never even been near the ice machine at The Mirage.
okay broseph :D
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E-Kul the bed wetter
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E-Kul the bed wetter
About as manly as Suzy Favor Hamilton's husband.
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E-Kul finally learning the valuable lesson of why Wes and the Pilgrims beat the Indians in this educational and uplifting thread.
God bless America.
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E-Kul finally learning the valuable lesson of why Wes and the Pilgrims beat the Indians in this educational and uplifting thread.
God bless America.
:D
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I'm not sure if you picked up on it, I was using sarcasm, it was parody of the nonsense cliche Gun Nutters often use that "Guns don't kill people", this ridiculousness can be carried over to anything that kills people. Like This, Alcohol doesn't kill people, cigarettes don't kill people, guns don't kill people, drugs don't kill people, bombs don't kill people and on and on the ridiculousness goes. It's called DENIAL! Of course these things pose a serious health risk to others, their will always be exceptions, but if you have a vested interest in something, it is easiest to deny anything that threatens that interest. Of course Guns kill people! Of Course cigarettes kill people, of course alcohol kills people!
I have the bad habit of taking posts here far too literally. So no, I didn't pick up on the sarcasm. My bad.
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I have the bad habit of taking posts here far too literally. So no, I didn't pick up on the sarcasm. My bad.
I did include the rolly eyes ::) ::) ::) after the comment, maybe I should have thrown in an 'Oh Brother" as well.
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I just commanded my gun to go shoot someone, it did not respond. God damn disrespectful gun, not killing anyone without me pulling the trigger.
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I just commanded my gun to go shoot someone, it did not respond.
For future reference, their is a lever called a trigger that starts the firing process. Don't worry too much though, It has been known for retards too take a while before they realise that more than thinking is required to produce a result.
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Deep Deep Insecurity held together by paranoia, intense anxiety and fear with a healthy dose of obsession and defiance thrown in. In other words, they're a massive pussy unless they have a gun! without it, they may die of fright if they caught sight of their own shadow.
Textbook case of projection. You want all gun owners to be all this because it fits nicely with your preconceived notion of what a American gun owner is. You can't see a gun owner as a responsible adult who fully understands the responsibility of owing firearms.
You don't know any American gun owners , never been around any and everything you do know is being taught to you but sensationalized media. You have no experience on the subject and spout off like you know what you're talking about , like most foreigners you obsess over this country way to much and our problems.
You sound exactly like the gun nuts you keep screaming about , maybe YOU fear guns because you don't trust yourself around them. You want to paint anyone who owns a gun as the same as the lunatic who shoots schools when reality is with a 100 million gun owners in the U.S. these types of events are rare when you consider these numbers , and more owners are normal up-standing law abiding citizens , but you HATE America & Americans and need us all to be what you believe
Keep outing yourself with each post.
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Textbook case of projection. You want all gun owners to be all this because it fits nicely with your preconceived notion of what a American gun owner is. You can't see a gun owner as a responsible adult who fully understands the responsibility of owing firearms.
You don't know any American gun owners , never been around any and everything you do know is being taught to you but sensationalized media. You have no experience on the subject and spout off like you know what you're talking about , like most foreigners you obsess over this country way to much and our problems.
You sound exactly like the gun nuts you keep screaming about , maybe YOU fear guns because you don't trust yourself around them. You want to paint anyone who owns a gun as the same as the lunatic who shoots schools when reality is with a 100 million gun owners in the U.S. these types of events are rare when you consider these numbers , and more owners are normal up-standing law abiding citizens , but you HATE America & Americans and need us all to be what you believe
Keep outing yourself with each post.
And you accuse me of projection. Your right, I don't care for guns, they serve ZERO purpose in a modern civilised community. Under no circumstances would I want to own one, It doesn't matter that they can be responsibly owned, people can responsibly speed in their cars, they can responsibly use drugs, they can responsibly own a tiger, that doesn't mean their should be no restrictions. Restrictions are put in place to reduce or eliminate the danger that owning dangerous items expose people too. In the case of Guns, they are simply not necessary for citizens, if your gun was taken away and it caused you to spontaneously combust, or your arm to fall off, I could understand people getting all riled up, but the fact is, people own guns, because currently, by LAW, they CAN, they do it out of a stubborn defiant attitude, and for what, to shoot some inanimate targets at the weekend, talk about a douchebag way of looking at life, like shooting targets at a range serves any purpose than to enhance the level of douchebag you are.
If someone told me, that for children to go to school safely and without a fear of being murdered could only happen if individuals gave up their obsession with owning a gun for no other purpose other than because they are paranoid douchebags afraid of their own shadow and suspect a crime is about to be committed against them any second now all the while the Government is planning a plot to enslave them, I would give up the privilege to own a Gun in a heartbeat. Oh Brother! It really must be hard for those stuck in the forest to see the trees, but for those on the outside, American Gun Obsessed citizens sure do look like overgrown children whose developmental progress stopped when they were 10 years old. I truly feel sorry for the children of America, they haven't got a hope when a bunch of Mentally Ill Obsessed Nutcases are making decisions that enable them to be murdered at school. Not only should the NRA and it's perverted followers be apologising to the Country, for leading it to become the laughing stock of the first world and enabling Children to be murdered at school, they should be begging for forgiveness and doing everything in their power to make amends.
But, nobody ever expected any reason or compassion to come from the group responsible for these mass murders in the first place, they have always been crazy, unreasonable, defiant and sociopathic. It's bad enough the NRA can't take responsibility for their carnage, but the disgrace of casting blame everywhere but on themselves, is truly shocking, it really does go to show how deadly DENIAL can be, especially when it is the COLLECTIVE denial of gun obsessed maniacs. Anyway, another school mass shooting won't be far away, in the last 20 years, they average one every 6 months, with the NRA now ramping up their sponsorship of these Mass murders, I am sure they can push that to one every four months.
The NRA believe in the right to take up arms to resist government policies they consider oppressive, even when these policies have been adopted by elected officials and subjected to review by an independent judiciary, then they are opposed to constitutional democracy. Why would anybody side with a bunch of gun wielding anti DEMOCRATIC lunatics. It's so SAD that GOOD people allow themselves to be bullied by NRA propagandists, the fact these people are Offensive, intimidating, rude, obnoxious bullies doesn't mean people should give in to them. Like the cowardly bullies they are, they prey on peoples fear, and like any CULT, the moment a member opposes any of their extreme craziness, they turn on you in an instant. What a disgusting organisation the NRA has become.
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Debra Maggart, a lifetime member of the NRA and a politician who "always had an A+ rating" from the gun lobby, recently declined to support a bill earlier this year that would permit Tennesseans to keep guns inside locked cars and she soon became a target and as a result was harassed and bullied by the Psychopathic NRA, they went straight on the attack, filled with the usual infantile RAGE when someone disagrees with them. The NRA spent $155,000 to defeat her, with ads that linked her to President Obama on gun control. Anyway, even if a politician wanted to oppose these NUT JOBS who have enabled children to be murdered, they live in FEAR and worry about their political careers due to the bully boy tactics of the NRA THUGS. Debra , who's still a member of the NRA, if she now plans to resign from the organization. The former state rep replied, "I'm a lifetime member... so I don't know how to resign."
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Today the RETARDED NRA proposed armed security officers at every school in the country. These fucking dumb cun+s just don't get it.
28,300 public schools, that’s about a third of all public schools have armed security staff. In fact, there were two armed law enforcement officers, who twice engaged the shooters at Columbine. That didn’t prevent 15 from being killed, and 23 wounded,”
Perhaps being a good guy with a gun isn't GOOD ENOUGH. Fucking NRA retards!
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Keep commenting on what's best for America your fascination is cute but it still wont bring these kids back , it's only after these types of tragedies do douche-bags like you start spewing what we need to do , you're a vulture who smells blood a to spout off your opinion as if it matters
The irony is you're obsessed with America , you're on a American bodybuilding site with a picture of an American bodybuilder next to your , American ( not born ) rapper name , again your fake concern is cute but fuck off if you think you know what's best for this country or anyone cares.
I already said America has much that is cool, and England has plenty of problems. But your personal lack of introspection is a poor quality, your lack of humility a fatal flaw, and your inability to be objective or in any way critical of the US constitution suggests an inflexible, unchangeable fear of change or progress.
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Serious question for all the anti-gunners here:
how is it logistically feasible/possible to disarm a country like the USA with millions and millions of guns? Even if laws get passed? Seriously, what do you propose? What's your game plan? How will you collect millions of guns and verify that the streets are now safe?
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That's a great question. I can't pretend to know, but I would say that you can't prevent robberies or rapes, but you wouldn't give up and legalise them would you? If something is wrong you cannot simply resign yourselves to it I would argue. The idea that any psychopath can purchase a gun legally seems crazy over here.
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Serious question for all the anti-gunners here:
how is it logistically feasible/possible to disarm a country like the USA with millions and millions of guns? Even if laws get passed? Seriously, what do you propose? What's your game plan? How will you collect millions of guns and verify that the streets are now safe?
It's called buyback
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Serious question for all the anti-gunners here:
how is it logistically feasible/possible to disarm a country like the USA with millions and millions of guns? Even if laws get passed? Seriously, what do you propose? What's your game plan? How will you collect millions of guns and verify that the streets are now safe?
It isn't. It can't and won't be.
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It isn't. It can't and won't be.
Hence the reason many more children will be murdered going about their daily lives. Far easier to accept these tragedies as inevitable and get used to innocent children being murdered, as long as they remain about one school shooting every six months, that's acceptable collateral damage for the privilige of shooting at tin cans on the weekend to relieve boredom. Sounds fair to me!
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Hence the reason many more children will be murdered going about their daily lives. Far easier to accept these tragedies as inevitable and get used to innocent children being murdered, as long as they remain about one school shooting every six months, that's acceptable collateral damage for the privilige of shooting at tin cans on the weekend to relieve boredom. Sounds fair to me!
Well, that's an acceptable trade-off for a gun culture.
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Well, that's an acceptable trade-off for a gun culture.
People who go target shooting by and large do not commit crimes moron.
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It isn't. It can't and won't be.
That's right, it will never happen. The Constitution will override the opinion of sissy liberals the world over.
Children are still 4X more likely to drown than be killed by a firearm.
But Obama has put joe Biden on the case, so the results will be predictably laughable.
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It's called buyback
Buybacks have been proven unsuccessful in removing guns... You will get some from people who do not care about them and you will get some small hand guns.
You will never get the guns that you are going for.
So no... That won't do it.
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Buybacks have been proven unsuccessful in removing guns... You will get some from people who do not care about them and you will get some small hand guns.
You will never get the guns that you are going for.
So no... That won't do it.
But, but, but, it's mandatory! They have to do it! ::)
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Buybacks have been proven unsuccessful in removing guns... You will get some from people who do not care about them and you will get some small hand guns.
You will never get the guns that you are going for.
So no... That won't do it.
Worked in Australia. Kiddies can go to school no worries, no guards, no security, no metal detectors, bullet proof glass, ZERO School shootings. Keep sabotaging yourselves without even trying anything, I'm sure the future kiddy murder victims will appreciate your apathy. It is sad that you are so entrenched in an obvious sick culture, I can tell you, coming from a culture that couldn't give a fuck about guns, that it is incredibly difficult to get a gun and not many people have them, and it is because of this, we haven't had a serious mass shooting in 16 years due to a serious LAW change. It is just way too hard to get GUNS for the average citizen, let alone a disturbed teenager with a vendetta!
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Worked in Australia.
*Facepalm*
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Worked in Australia. Kiddies can go to school no worries, no guards, no security, no metal detectors, bullet proof glass, ZERO School shootings. Keep sabotaging yourselves without even trying anything, I'm sure the future kiddy murder victims will appreciate your apathy.
Dude... You are insane.
First off... The guns in Australia's buybacks totaled 1.1 Million or less that 1/3 of 1 percent of the guns in the US. That's a much easier pickup, and even then the cost was 1/2 a billion dollars.
Multiply that by 300% and tell me what it will cost.
Of course the country in itself has very few major cities... and even fewer rural areas as well, it's easier to get guns from less people.
You can talk all kinds of nonsense, but yeah... it's just nonsense.
Shit aint that cut and dried... plus, the US has this thing called the constitution... It guarantees the right to keep and bear arms is not infringed... Because we had to FIGHT for our freedom against an oppressive government.
Why does everyone just casually gloss over the fact that it's there for a REASON... Governments go corrupt ALL of the time... If this one goes too far over the edge... There are 300 million potential militia that can put it back the way it's supposed to be.
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Why does everyone just casually gloss over the fact that it's there for a REASON... Governments go corrupt ALL of the time... If this one goes too far over the edge... There are 300 million potential militia that can put it back the way it's supposed to be.
Because it didn't go down that way in their country, therefore it must not be necessary.
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Because it didn't go down that way in their country, therefore it must not be necessary.
It is sad that people so easily forget their history... They forget that people have to fight for freedoms.
They forget that Hitler rose to power by removing guns from the populace and then there was no way to fight back.
Evil wins, when good people do nothing... The power of the gun is what allows "Good men" to "DO".
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Mayber your best post I have ever read.
Dude... You are insane.
First off... The guns in Australia's buybacks totaled 1.1 Million or less that 1/3 of 1 percent of the guns in the US. That's a much easier pickup, and even then the cost was 1/2 a billion dollars.
Multiply that by 300% and tell me what it will cost.
Of course the country in itself has very few major cities... and even fewer rural areas as well, it's easier to get guns from less people.
You can talk all kinds of nonsense, but yeah... it's just nonsense.
Shit aint that cut and dried... plus, the US has this thing called the constitution... It guarantees the right to keep and bear arms is not infringed... Because we had to FIGHT for our freedom against an oppressive government.
Why does everyone just casually gloss over the fact that it's there for a REASON... Governments go corrupt ALL of the time... If this one goes too far over the edge... There are 300 million potential militia that can put it back the way it's supposed to be.
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It is sad that people so easily forget their history... They forget that people have to fight for freedoms.
They forget that Hitler rose to power by removing guns from the populace and then there was no way to fight back.
Evil wins, when good people do nothing... The power of the gun is what allows "Good men" to "DO".
Those that ignore/forget their past are doomed to repeat it. Getting that "We're different now, that couldn't happen again" attitude is ignorant and is just making it that much easier for someone to do it all over again.
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It is sad that people so easily forget their history... They forget that people have to fight for freedoms.
They forget that Hitler rose to power by removing guns from the populace and then there was no way to fight back.
Evil wins, when good people do nothing... The power of the gun is what allows "Good men" to "DO".
The power of the gun is also that it allows physically weak people to defend themselves and equalize the situation somewhat from an agressive tyrant.
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Those that ignore/forget their past are doomed to repeat it. Getting that "We're different now, that couldn't happen again" attitude is ignorant and is just making it that much easier for someone to do it all over again.
LOL - "It can't happen here" . . . . . ."We are different now than back then" . .. . . . . "We have evolved as a society" . . . . . . .. . blah blah blah
Since Cain & Able people have been killing each other. Thats what we do.
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The power of the gun is also that it allows physically weak people to defend themselves and equalize the situation somewhat from an agressive tyrant.
Agreed.
As my Dad always said... God didn't make all men equal, but he did make EQUALIZERS.
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What if this beast owned a gun? Would you run? Would you cower in the corner? What if this beast was armed to protect the world?
(http://www.betternetworker.com/files/imagecache/gallery_full/usergalleries/40685/sidechest.gif)
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What if this beast owned a gun? Would you run? Would you cower in the corner? What if this beast was armed to protect the world?
(http://www.betternetworker.com/files/imagecache/gallery_full/usergalleries/40685/sidechest.gif)
He is more Malcolm in the Middle than he is Malcom X.
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What if this beast owned a gun? Would you run? Would you cower in the corner? What if this beast was armed to protect the world?
(http://www.betternetworker.com/files/imagecache/gallery_full/usergalleries/40685/sidechest.gif)
;D
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He is more Malcolm in the Middle than he is Malcom X.
LOL!!
Vince Goodrums chest development is not too bad in that pic. I mean, he still looks like shit, but he doesnt look like absolute dog shit in that photo, but not far off either.
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;D
Look at his face. Looks like he is taking a dump on stage.
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Gee, I wonder what criminals and would be school shooters would use if gun laws were stricter or guns were banned. ::)
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Gee, I wonder what criminals and would be school shooters would use if gun laws were stricter or guns were banned. ::)
Have you thought about PISTOLS, stupid? Whatever this upcoming knee-jerk law si going to do its not going to do jack shit about future shootings.
(http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/files/original/vt_killer_nbc.jpg)
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And you accuse me of projection. Your right, I don't care for guns, they serve ZERO purpose in a modern civilised community.
You are 100% correct. in the USA, we do not live in a civilized society. People sell drugs on street corners and police drive right by. Only 17% of crimes are solved. It takes 11 minutes for average police response time. We have 10,000+ murders each year, with and without guns.
I carry a weapon because I live among idiots, savages, animals, killers, rapists, drug dealers, and other types who would rob or kill me if they could get away with it.
I fully accept we don't live in a civilized society because these crimes are allowed to happen, these criminals are allowed to run free. i'd LOVE to live in a USA without bad guys, but I dont see that happening. Take away the guns, and the bad guys are still going to be smashing faces with brass knuckles or stabbing witnesses instead of using bullets. So therefore I carry to even the odds in an uncivilized country.
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You are 100% correct. in the USA, we do not live in a civilized society. People sell drugs on street corners and police drive right by. Only 17% of crimes are solved. It takes 11 minutes for average police response time. We have 10,000+ murders each year, with and without guns.
I carry a weapon because I live among idiots, savages, animals, killers, rapists, drug dealers, and other types who would rob or kill me if they could get away with it.
I fully accept we don't live in a civilized society because these crimes are allowed to happen, these criminals are allowed to run free. i'd LOVE to live in a USA without bad guys, but I dont see that happening. Take away the guns, and the bad guys are still going to be smashing faces with brass knuckles or stabbing witnesses instead of using bullets. So therefore I carry to even the odds in an uncivilized country.
QFT
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And you accuse me of projection. Your right, I don't care for guns, they serve ZERO purpose in a modern civilised community. Under no circumstances would I want to own one, It doesn't matter that they can be responsibly owned, people can responsibly speed in their cars, they can responsibly use drugs, they can responsibly own a tiger, that doesn't mean their should be no restrictions. Restrictions are put in place to reduce or eliminate the danger that owning dangerous items expose people too. In the case of Guns, they are simply not necessary for citizens, if your gun was taken away and it caused you to spontaneously combust, or your arm to fall off, I could understand people getting all riled up, but the fact is, people own guns, because currently, by LAW, they CAN, they do it out of a stubborn defiant attitude, and for what, to shoot some inanimate targets at the weekend, talk about a douchebag way of looking at life, like shooting targets at a range serves any purpose than to enhance the level of douchebag you are.
If someone told me, that for children to go to school safely and without a fear of being murdered could only happen if individuals gave up their obsession with owning a gun for no other purpose other than because they are paranoid douchebags afraid of their own shadow and suspect a crime is about to be committed against them any second now all the while the Government is planning a plot to enslave them, I would give up the privilege to own a Gun in a heartbeat. Oh Brother! It really must be hard for those stuck in the forest to see the trees, but for those on the outside, American Gun Obsessed citizens sure do look like overgrown children whose developmental progress stopped when they were 10 years old. I truly feel sorry for the children of America, they haven't got a hope when a bunch of Mentally Ill Obsessed Nutcases are making decisions that enable them to be murdered at school. Not only should the NRA and it's perverted followers be apologising to the Country, for leading it to become the laughing stock of the first world and enabling Children to be murdered at school, they should be begging for forgiveness and doing everything in their power to make amends.
But, nobody ever expected any reason or compassion to come from the group responsible for these mass murders in the first place, they have always been crazy, unreasonable, defiant and sociopathic. It's bad enough the NRA can't take responsibility for their carnage, but the disgrace of casting blame everywhere but on themselves, is truly shocking, it really does go to show how deadly DENIAL can be, especially when it is the COLLECTIVE denial of gun obsessed maniacs. Anyway, another school mass shooting won't be far away, in the last 20 years, they average one every 6 months, with the NRA now ramping up their sponsorship of these Mass murders, I am sure they can push that to one every four months.
The NRA believe in the right to take up arms to resist government policies they consider oppressive, even when these policies have been adopted by elected officials and subjected to review by an independent judiciary, then they are opposed to constitutional democracy. Why would anybody side with a bunch of gun wielding anti DEMOCRATIC lunatics. It's so SAD that GOOD people allow themselves to be bullied by NRA propagandists, the fact these people are Offensive, intimidating, rude, obnoxious bullies doesn't mean people should give in to them. Like the cowardly bullies they are, they prey on peoples fear, and like any CULT, the moment a member opposes any of their extreme craziness, they turn on you in an instant. What a disgusting organisation the NRA has become.
And you accuse me of projection. Your right, I don't care for guns, they serve ZERO purpose in a modern civilised community. Under no circumstances would I want to own one, It doesn't matter that they can be responsibly owned, people can responsibly speed in their cars, they can responsibly use drugs, they can responsibly own a tiger, that doesn't mean their should be no restrictions. Restrictions are put in place to reduce or eliminate the danger that owning dangerous items expose people too. In the case of Guns, they are simply not necessary for citizens, if your gun was taken away and it caused you to spontaneously combust, or your arm to fall off, I could understand people getting all riled up, but the fact is, people own guns, because currently, by LAW, they CAN, they do it out of a stubborn defiant attitude, and for what, to shoot some inanimate targets at the weekend, talk about a douchebag way of looking at life, like shooting targets at a range serves any purpose than to enhance the level of douchebag you are.
One, I've never seen someone so obsessed with someone else's property , especially from another country. Two, you are showing your ignorance once again , there are plenty of restrictions placed on firearms and their owners just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they're not there
You don't even live in this country and already admitted to having an aversion to firearms , You don't own them , don't know anyone who does , you don't have any experience with them and your only source of information is biased mainstream media who , like you DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT , Case in point CNN erroneously reports that during the 1994-2004 ban people weren't allowed to purchase AR15s which is flat-out wrong , you're just as ignorant as them. There is nothing wrong with ignorance , where you go wrong is acting like you know what you're talking about when you don't and when corrected you continue too still act like you do.
I'm glad you feel there is NO need for the average person to own guns , although I've pointed out several legitimate reason they do , which you don't care about , which is worth not a fuck of a lot because you have an agenda and worth even less because you're not even American.
If someone told me, that for children to go to school safely and without a fear of being murdered could only happen if individuals gave up their obsession with owning a gun for no other purpose other than because they are paranoid douchebags afraid of their own shadow and suspect a crime is about to be committed against them any second now all the while the Government is planning a plot to enslave them, I would give up the privilege to own a Gun in a heartbeat. Oh Brother! It really must be hard for those stuck in the forest to see the trees, but for those on the outside, American Gun Obsessed citizens sure do look like overgrown children whose developmental progress stopped when they were 10 years old. I truly feel sorry for the children of America, they haven't got a hope when a bunch of Mentally Ill Obsessed Nutcases are making decisions that enable them to be murdered at school. Not only should the NRA and it's perverted followers be apologising to the Country, for leading it to become the laughing stock of the first world and enabling Children to be murdered at school, they should be begging for forgiveness and doing everything in their power to make amends.
You live in a fantasy world , One where if no one had guns than all violence would magically disappear Hahahahahahahahahaha And you already admitted that you don't giving a flying fuck about the children that died , stop pretending like you do. It's insulting too their memories.
But, nobody ever expected any reason or compassion to come from the group responsible for these mass murders in the first place, they have always been crazy, unreasonable, defiant and sociopathic. It's bad enough the NRA can't take responsibility for their carnage, but the disgrace of casting blame everywhere but on themselves, is truly shocking, it really does go to show how deadly DENIAL can be, especially when it is the COLLECTIVE denial of gun obsessed maniacs. Anyway, another school mass shooting won't be far away, in the last 20 years, they average one every 6 months, with the NRA now ramping up their sponsorship of these Mass murders, I am sure they can push that to one every four months.
Ooh the evil NRA , let me first say I'm not a member , NEVER have been , never will be don't agree with 90% of their policy but they do some good things. But like the moronic anti-gunners I cringed when he tried to blame video games and movies , it's like they other side blaming everyone and everything but the person responsible
The NRA believe in the right to take up arms to resist government policies they consider oppressive, even when these policies have been adopted by elected officials and subjected to review by an independent judiciary, then they are opposed to constitutional democracy. Why would anybody side with a bunch of gun wielding anti DEMOCRATIC lunatics. It's so SAD that GOOD people allow themselves to be bullied by NRA propagandists, the fact these people are Offensive, intimidating, rude, obnoxious bullies doesn't mean people should give in to them. Like the cowardly bullies they are, they prey on peoples fear, and like any CULT, the moment a member opposes any of their extreme craziness, they turn on you in an instant. What a disgusting organisation the NRA has become.
More ignorance and bias from you. The irony is most anti-gunners have been saying recently how little power the NRA had , keep believing what you want on the other side of the planet , I'll laugh at how little you really know.
Keep obsessing over America your fascination is cute
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Have you thought about PISTOLS, stupid? Whatever this upcoming knee-jerk law si going to do its not going to do jack shit about future shootings.
(http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/files/original/vt_killer_nbc.jpg)
Are you calling me stupid, gonads?
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I already said America has much that is cool, and England has plenty of problems. But your personal lack of introspection is a poor quality, your lack of humility a fatal flaw, and your inability to be objective or in any way critical of the US constitution suggests an inflexible, unchangeable fear of change or progress.
Wrong on ALL accounts , if that were the case blacks would still be property , women wouldn't be able to vote , and forget about gays ever being married or in the military , spoken like another kid who on the other side of the pond who thinks they have it all figured out
Some things in the constitution you do NOT fuck with some you have to add , one of the things that has an always has made this country great is our ability to compromise and work out a mutually beneficial solution too our problems
However when it comes to firearms the average American is sick and tired of having their rights trampled on and being blamed for other peoples atrocities , yes I said their rights are being trampled on and denied by oppressive politicians who think they know what's best for you
Guns are like abortions , don't want one , don't get one but don't make the mistake of telling me I can't have one because of some asshole decided you shoot a school up.
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Hence the reason many more children will be murdered going about their daily lives. Far easier to accept these tragedies as inevitable and get used to innocent children being murdered, as long as they remain about one school shooting every six months, that's acceptable collateral damage for the privilige of shooting at tin cans on the weekend to relieve boredom. Sounds fair to me!
Stop acting like you give a flying fucking about children being killed you're the worse kind , pretending it's all for the kids. ::) Spare us all your phony concern
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No bed wetting Aussie kunt, or California bull dyke liberal is going to get me shot so some crackhead can buy $8 more of rock.
E-Kunt craves attention as much as the pissant CT murderer.
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Well, that's an acceptable trade-off for a gun culture.
You keep typing this and what you're basically doing is speaking for gun owners , it's NOT an acceptable trade-off
I asked you this before and you still haven't answered , would the killing of children stop in America if all guns magically disappeared ?
You're like the politicians who think that more laws would prevent this and that's the real travesty. They want to limit the amount of rounds a magazine can hold to 10 as if 10 children being killed is more of an ' acceptable trade-off ' than 26 , or the time difference it takes to reload three 10 round magazines will be enough too save any
I would turn in every single gun I own in a moment's notice if we would never see this type of tragedy happen again, but you and I are both smart enough to know that's not reality and never will be.
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Dude... You are insane.
First off... The guns in Australia's buybacks totaled 1.1 Million or less that 1/3 of 1 percent of the guns in the US. That's a much easier pickup, and even then the cost was 1/2 a billion dollars.
Multiply that by 300% and tell me what it will cost.
Of course the country in itself has very few major cities... and even fewer rural areas as well, it's easier to get guns from less people.
You can talk all kinds of nonsense, but yeah... it's just nonsense.
Shit aint that cut and dried... plus, the US has this thing called the constitution... It guarantees the right to keep and bear arms is not infringed... Because we had to FIGHT for our freedom against an oppressive government.
Why does everyone just casually gloss over the fact that it's there for a REASON... Governments go corrupt ALL of the time... If this one goes too far over the edge... There are 300 million potential militia that can put it back the way it's supposed to be.
You sir are honest , intelligent and accurate. Excellent post.
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What if this beast owned a gun? Would you run? Would you cower in the corner? What if this beast was armed to protect the world?
(http://www.betternetworker.com/files/imagecache/gallery_full/usergalleries/40685/sidechest.gif)
If shit went down in the hood, I'd be fine in having this naygro gentlemen armed and at my side.
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Have you thought about PISTOLS, stupid? Whatever this upcoming knee-jerk law si going to do its not going to do jack shit about future shootings.
(http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/files/original/vt_killer_nbc.jpg)
See and that's the real rub , all of these laws being passed that do nothing they intend , punish the people who never did anything it's honestly just another attempt at disarming law-abiding citizens.
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Serious question for all the anti-gunners here:
how is it logistically feasible/possible to disarm a country like the USA with millions and millions of guns? Even if laws get passed? Seriously, what do you propose? What's your game plan? How will you collect millions of guns and verify that the streets are now safe?
The fact that a task, like this one, seems insurmountable does not justify doing nothing at all. The "streets" will likely never be completely safe regardless of what is done or not done. They might be safer though.
Some statistics actually suggest that in countries like Australia where there is a ban on personal firearms the crime rates are actually higher then they are in the U.S. If a burglar breaks into a house in Australia, there is a good chance they won't be shot by the homeowner which might account for the high burglary rate there. Criminals are already breaking the law, what's to keep them from carrying fire arms? Certainly not a law which bans this.
For me the question is whether it is reasonable or justifiable for citizens to possess semi-automatic weapons such as an AR-15? What are the chances one would need to get off 100 rounds to stop an intruder from entering their home? Standard issue magazines are 20 or 30 round staggered-column magazines, traditional box magazines exist in 40 and 45 round capacities, and usable magazines have been constructed from a variety of materials including steel, aluminum, and high-impact plastics. Drum magazines with 90 and 100 round capacities exist, such as Beta C-Mags. Low-capacity magazines, usually of a 5 or 10 round capacity, are available to comply with some areas' legal restrictions, hunting, and because larger magazines can inhibit shooting from a benchrest. Surefire is now offering extended capacity magazines in 60 and 100 round capacity configurations. These magazines are a staggered column design. Furthermore, it apparently is not difficult to convert an AR-15 so it operates as does an M-15.
I don't own a gun. About 40 years ago, one or possibly two probably delinquent youths broke into our house via a basement window. They managed to round up some items to steal, a sewing machine, a cheap guitar and some other expendable items. I had gone out to the store, but my wife and son were at home asleep upstairs along with two small dogs who apparently didn't respond or sense anything being amiss. When I pulled in the driveway, the front door was closed yet when I entered the house from the back door, I could see that the front door was now open. Obviously my return thwarted the potential burglars who got nothing for their efforts. Clearly had I owned a gun, it would have been of little use in this situation.
After this attempted burglary, we went out the next day and purchased a Great Dane. I installed a 5' fence which ran along the driveway up to the front of the house. When our new dog would stand up with it's head over the fence barking at passersby, they would cross the street to avoid getting too close to her (she was actually a lover and not a biter, but strangers didn't know this). For the rest of the time we lived in that home, we never had another problem. Fortunately, we have never experience another incident. Heidi, the Great Dane passed a long time ago, but we still have a large dog who is rather scary looking with an ominous bark but is also a lover and not a biter. I still do not own a gun.
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Only 17% of crimes are solved. It takes 11 minutes for average police response time. We have 10,000+ murders each year, with and without guns.
Ironic, because the gun nuts claim that the chance of being killed or injured from a gun is pretty remote, Anyway, it sounds like you live in a war zone, ever thought of going to live in a Country were decent folk reside. Why would anybody want to live in such a dangerous place?
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See and that's the real rub , all of these laws being passed that do nothing they intend , punish the people who never did anything it's honestly just another attempt at disarming law-abiding citizens.
Better to punish the kids eh, they probably deserved to be murdered anyway right. You couldn't get a more narcissistic argument than suggesting you are being punished when communities implement laws to make society safer and secure, especially for the children. Do Speed limits on the road make you feel punished? And really, how are you being punished if you can't own a gun, seriously, where is the punishment in that?, you sound like a spoiled child! I can't own a gun, and I have NEVER once felt punished because of it. Americans have the most selfish way of interpreting the world, it's all about them, what the Individual wants and desires, fuck being part of building a decent community, just give the Individual everything he wants regardless of the cost to the community. What a Crazy Place America is!
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I gotta say of all the ignorant dumb cunts on getbig Ekulo is probably the only one I'd like to throat punch.
Common sense was gnawed out of him by a couple puppies years ago and I'm betting he didn't have alot before that or he wouldn't have agitated those poor dogs. Though I suppose if he had a gun he could have shot them both.....
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Ironic, because the gun nuts claim that the chance of being killed or injured from a gun is pretty remote, Anyway, it sounds like you live in a war zone, ever thought of going to live in a Country were decent folk reside. Why would anybody want to live in such a dangerous place?
all my family is here. I have to stay. I can't get mom, dad, siblings, nieces, nephews, etc to leave. I'd love to live in a more peaceful country - one without a chance of me being mugged, beaten or stabbed while I'm out and about.
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all my family is here. I have to stay. I can't get mom, dad, siblings, nieces, nephews, etc to leave. I'd love to live in a more peaceful country - one without a chance of me being mugged, beaten or stabbed while I'm out and about.
lol good luck finding one of those!! ;D
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Better to punish the kids eh, they probably deserved to be murdered anyway right. You couldn't get a more narcissistic argument than suggesting you are being punished when communities implement laws to make society safer and secure, especially for the children. Do Speed limits on the road make you feel punished? And really, how are you being punished if you can't own a gun, seriously, where is the punishment in that?, you sound like a spoiled child! I can't own a gun, and I have NEVER once felt punished because of it. Americans have the most selfish way of interpreting the world, it's all about them, what the Individual wants and desires, fuck being part of building a decent community, just give the Individual everything he wants regardless of the cost to the community. What a Crazy Place America is!
Speaking again without any thought? You simply do NOT know what you're talking about. And I will keep correcting ;)
You couldn't get a more narcissistic argument than suggesting you are being punished when communities implement laws to make society safer and secure, especially for the children.
Let me explain to you some facts , these laws DO NOT make society safer and secure. There are already laws against theft , murder and illegal procession of weapons how did any of these laws make it safer for the children? they didn't
Connecticut has some of the safest gun laws in the United States. They didn't work your point is moot. The state of Connecticut already has an ' assault weapons ban ' in place , this didn't stop the tragedy again your point is moot.
The ' assault weapons ban ' never banned the AR15 it merely ban cosmetic features that would have NOT prevented this type of shooting
You could still buy an AR15 in a ban configuration and the only difference between a preban rifle and a ban rifle are the following
Preban has a flash suppressor that hides the flames from exiting the barrel that could be removed
Postban you have to have a permanently attached muzzle device either weld or pinned on , so you can see fire exiting the barrel when shooting ,
Would it or did it prevent the lunatic in CT from doing what he did? NO
this was a law designed to make society safer and secure did it work? NO
Preban rifle you can have a bayonet lug to mount a bayonet
Postban you can not have a bayonet lug , because there rash of people stabbing people with bayonets mounted on their AR15 ::) this was a law designed to make society safer and secure did it work? NO
Would it or did it prevent the lunatic in CT from doing what he did? NO
Preban has a mount for a grenade launcher , because there was a rash of people using grenade launchers before the ban ::)
Postban You can not have a grenade launcher , this was a law designed to make society safer and secure did it work? NO
Would it or did it prevent the lunatic in CT from doing what he did? NO
Preban you can have a retractable butt-stock
Postban you have to have a permanently attached butt-stock that doesn't move. this was a law designed to make society safer and secure did it work? NO
Would it or did it prevent the lunatic in CT from doing what he did? NO
Preban magazines ranged from 20-30-100 round magazines.
Postban magazines were limited to 10 rounds , however millions and millions of preban magazines were still available for sale that could be used in postban rifles. this was a law designed to make society safer and secure did it work? NO
Would it or did it prevent the lunatic in CT from doing what he did? NO
Seeing criminals do NOT follow laws by nature , who does this affect? law-abiding citizens. Enough laws have already been passed designed to make society safer and secure and they don't
You simply do NOT know what you're talking about. You're embarrassing yourself more-and-more with each post. Your irrational fear most likely stems from the fact YOU do not trust yourself with guns and are doing nothing more than projecting that onto others.
This AR15 is in an ' Postban ' configuration. It has a ' Preban 30 round magazine ' the same type of rifle that was used in the attacks at Sandy Hook , the laws which you claim make society safer and secure did NOTHING to prevent this , new laws will do NOTHING to prevent this
If you say stop ALL future production of AR15's , you still have millions-and-millions that were grandfathered in , so this new law which you claim make society safer and secure would do NOTHING. If you say confiscate all guns it will do NOTHING
Please don't speak on a subject of which you are clueless of or run the risk of being exposed as a complete and utter fucking moron but that's something you're comfortable with.
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Dear Stupid E-Kul
make society safer and secure
One is a preban and the other a postban , please answer how the post ban rifle that society deemed would make us safer and secure be any less deadly at Sandy Hook
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Dear Stupid E-Kul
make society safer and secure
One is a preban and the other a postban , please answer how the post ban rifle that society deemed would make us safer and secure be any less deadly at Sandy Hook
I have a Bushmaster .223 AR-15 New York legal. The only difference is that the stock is fixed and no bayonet lug nut on the front.
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Are you calling me stupid, gonads?
Yes I am unless the error is on my part and I misinterpreted your statement.
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Yes I am unless the error is on my part and I misinterpreted your statement.
You did.
Chaos is about as pro-firearm as they come.
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Roids and Dumb Bells Probably Won't Save America...
(http://musclelegion.com/wp-content/wallpapers/jay/2.jpg)
She Won't Recover..
Wake Up!!
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all my family is here. I have to stay. I can't get mom, dad, siblings, nieces, nephews, etc to leave. I'd love to live in a more peaceful country - one without a chance of me being mugged, beaten or stabbed while I'm out and about.
lol good luck finding one of those!! ;D
I never worry about being mugged, beaten or stabbed while I'm out and about. Perhaps you should try moving to one of the first world countries that have a lot more freedom than the USA. You are free to go about your business without ever having to worry about that stuff. Sorry to here that you are a prisoner in your own Country. :(
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I never worry about being mugged, beaten or stabbed while I'm out and about. Perhaps you should try moving to one of the first world countries that have a lot more freedom than the USA. You are free to go about your business without ever having to worry about that stuff. Sorry to here that you are a prisoner in your own Country. :(
You are a leftst liberal punk who has yet to be raped and mugged
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IF we are talking home defense, what is the need for big guns? Any standard handgun will protect oneself.
If not, may as well just get one of these.
(http://www.armedforces-int.com/upload/image_files/FN-MAG-Machine-Gun-1.png)
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If everyone injected synthol, the world would be a much safer place. Imagine if everyone had 30 inch arms. No one would be messed with.
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You are a leftst liberal punk who has yet to be raped and mugged
I have been ripped apart and permanently injured by Pitbulls, I know more than anybody the dangers that are out there, you want FEAR, try defending yourself against two determined angry Pitbulls, this happened to me while working. Just like GUNS, these incidents happen because of special interests groups who insist on inflicting their agenda on a society that doesn't care for their dangerous obsessions. A gun wouldn't have been practical, nor is it a guaranteed defence against such an efficient attack animal like Pitbulls, Their was a case recently were a Police officer used his gun and took a shot at an attacking Pitbull, only to miss and kill his partner. In this case a gun made it worse. I have also been assaulted on several occasions, twice by three or more men, I have won some, and I have lost some. That's life, I don't let it stop me living my life or to remain in FEAR, like anybody, I make sensible decisions about how I live my life and weigh up the risk/reward ratio when making choices.
The sad thing is, Americans are trying to prepare themselves for things they have no control over, if faced with an armed intruder, you still may find yourself in a situation where you can't get to your gun, you are back to square one. Their is no fool proof way to guarantee your protection, it just isn't possible. So the very thing you cling to so as to protect yourself makes your society a more dangerous place and less safe. And this is the irony, in an attempt to lessen vulnerability and create safety, Americans have created a more vulnerable and less safe place to live. Some countries can pull off a gun culture, just that America isn't one of them, they failed, their civic experiment has been a disaster, which has cost children their lives and also their right to freedom.
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I have been ripped apart and permanently injured by Pitbulls, I know more than anybody the dangers that are out there, you want FEAR, try defending yourself against two determined angry Pitbulls, this happened to me while working. Just like GUNS, these incidents happen because of special interests groups who insist on inflicting their agenda on a society that doesn't care for their dangerous obsessions. A gun wouldn't have been practical, nor is it a guaranteed defence against such an efficient attack animal like Pitbulls, Their was a case recently were a Police officer used his gun and took a shot at an attacking Pitbull, only to miss and kill his partner. In this case a gun made it worse. I have also been assaulted on several occasions, twice by three or more men, I have won some, and I have lost some. That's life, I don't let it stop me living my life or to remain in FEAR, like anybody, I make sensible decisions about how I live my life and weigh up the risk/reward ratio when making choices.
The sad thing is, Americans are trying to prepare themselves for things they have no control over, if faced with an armed intruder, you still may find yourself in a situation where you can't get to your gun, you are back to square one. Their is no fool proof way to guarantee your protection, it just isn't possible. So the very thing you cling to so as to protect yourself makes your society a more dangerous place and less safe. And this is the irony, in an attempt to lessen vulnerability and create safety, Americans have created a more vulnerable and less safe place to live. Some countries can pull off a gun culture, just that America isn't one of them, they failed, their civic experiment has been a disaster, which has cost children their lives and also their right to freedom.
Oh brother, here comes the fear mongering again.
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I have been ripped apart and permanently injured by Pitbulls, I know more than anybody the dangers that are out there, you want FEAR, try defending yourself against two determined angry Pitbulls, this happened to me while working. Just like GUNS, these incidents happen because of special interests groups who insist on inflicting their agenda on a society that doesn't care for their dangerous obsessions. A gun wouldn't have been practical, nor is it a guaranteed defence against such an efficient attack animal like Pitbulls, Their was a case recently were a Police officer used his gun and took a shot at an attacking Pitbull, only to miss and kill his partner. In this case a gun made it worse. I have also been assaulted on several occasions, twice by three or more men, I have won some, and I have lost some. That's life, I don't let it stop me living my life or to remain in FEAR, like anybody, I make sensible decisions about how I live my life and weigh up the risk/reward ratio when making choices.
The sad thing is, Americans are trying to prepare themselves for things they have no control over, if faced with an armed intruder, you still may find yourself in a situation where you can't get to your gun, you are back to square one. Their is no fool proof way to guarantee your protection, it just isn't possible. So the very thing you cling to so as to protect yourself makes your society a more dangerous place and less safe. And this is the irony, in an attempt to lessen vulnerability and create safety, Americans have created a more vulnerable and less safe place to live. Some countries can pull off a gun culture, just that America isn't one of them, they failed, their civic experiment has been a disaster, which has cost children their lives and also their right to freedom.
I'd like to buy those pitbulls some dog treats.
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You are a leftst liberal punk who has yet to be raped and mugged
Did you get raped?
It's ok to talk about it.
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Oh brother, here comes the fear mongering again.
You do understand projection don't you. The fear mongering is done on behalf of the gun nutters, their entire argument is based on the FACT they are SCARED and live in FEAR and because of this FACT, they need a GUN. My argument, is too let go off your fear, accept your vulnerability and stop hiding behind a GUN, it only increases your vulnerability and not lessens it. I understand Gun Nutters are scared, but their are other ways of minimising the risk that you or your family may be harmed. Living without a GUN and facing your anxiety and fears and coming up with more constructive ways to protect yourself is far more beneficial for yourselves and your community, you don't need to live in FEAR.
You can let go of the gun and you will still be OK, you may become anxious at first, but soon you will realise that your fear was irrational, and that owning a gun was more of a way to enhance your insecure deficient personality, and not really for protection after all. You will come to understand that owning a GUN was holding you back from facing the real YOU, and you will now be free to pursue more positive character building initiatives that will benefit you and your community/ After writing this, I really do feel pity and sadness for Gun Nutters, it most be terrible to LIVE in a constant state of fear!
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You do understand projection don't you. The fear mongering is done on behalf of the gun nutters, their entire argument is based on the FACT they are SCARED and live in FEAR and because of this FACT, they need a GUN. My argument, is too let go off your fear, accept your vulnerability and stop hiding behind a GUN, it only increases your vulnerability and not lessens it. I understand Gun Nutters are scared, but their are other ways of minimising the risk that you or your family may be harmed. Living without a GUN and facing your anxiety and fears and coming up with more constructive ways to protect yourself is far more beneficial for yourselves and your community, you don't need to live in FEAR.
You can let go of the gun and you will still be OK, you may become anxious at first, but soon you will realise that your fear was irrational, and that owning a gun was more of a way to enhance your insecure deficient personality, and not really for protection after all. You will come to understand that owning a GUN was holding you back from facing the real YOU, and you will now be free to pursue more positive character building initiatives that will benefit you and your community/ After writing this, I really do feel pity and sadness for Gun Nutters, it most be terrible to LIVE in a constant state of fear!
wwwwwwwwaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Did you get raped?
It's ok to talk about it.
;D
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You do understand projection don't you. The fear mongering is done on behalf of the gun nutters, their entire argument is based on the FACT they are SCARED and live in FEAR and because of this FACT, they need a GUN. My argument, is too let go off your fear, accept your vulnerability and stop hiding behind a GUN, it only increases your vulnerability and not lessens it. I understand Gun Nutters are scared, but their are other ways of minimising the risk that you or your family may be harmed. Living without a GUN and facing your anxiety and fears and coming up with more constructive ways to protect yourself is far more beneficial for yourselves and your community, you don't need to live in FEAR.
You can let go of the gun and you will still be OK, you may become anxious at first, but soon you will realise that your fear was irrational, and that owning a gun was more of a way to enhance your insecure deficient personality, and not really for protection after all. You will come to understand that owning a GUN was holding you back from facing the real YOU, and you will now be free to pursue more positive character building initiatives that will benefit you and your community/ After writing this, I really do feel pity and sadness for Gun Nutters, it most be terrible to LIVE in a constant state of fear!
You were talking about Pit's you dumb fuck.
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You were talking about Pit's you dumb fuck.
Guns, Pitbulls, same thing, no need for a citizen to own either in a civilised society. Both are a serious public health concern enabled because of special interest groups. Even though both can be responsibly owned (but, so can a tiger). The unacceptable actuarial risk associated with GUNS and certain breeds of dogs (specifically, pit bulls) must be addressed. These breeds should be regulated in the same way in which other dangerous species are, such as leopards. JMO
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I have been ripped apart and permanently injured by Pitbulls, I know more than anybody the dangers that are out there, you want FEAR, try defending yourself against two determined angry Pitbulls, this happened to me while working. Just like GUNS, these incidents happen because of special interests groups who insist on inflicting their agenda on a society that doesn't care for their dangerous obsessions. A gun wouldn't have been practical, nor is it a guaranteed defence against such an efficient attack animal like Pitbulls, Their was a case recently were a Police officer used his gun and took a shot at an attacking Pitbull, only to miss and kill his partner. In this case a gun made it worse. I have also been assaulted on several occasions, twice by three or more men, I have won some, and I have lost some. That's life, I don't let it stop me living my life or to remain in FEAR, like anybody, I make sensible decisions about how I live my life and weigh up the risk/reward ratio when making choices.
The sad thing is, Americans are trying to prepare themselves for things they have no control over, if faced with an armed intruder, you still may find yourself in a situation where you can't get to your gun, you are back to square one. Their is no fool proof way to guarantee your protection, it just isn't possible. So the very thing you cling to so as to protect yourself makes your society a more dangerous place and less safe. And this is the irony, in an attempt to lessen vulnerability and create safety, Americans have created a more vulnerable and less safe place to live. Some countries can pull off a gun culture, just that America isn't one of them, they failed, their civic experiment has been a disaster, which has cost children their lives and also their right to freedom.
It seems you have had more than your share of grief and violence. Why do you suppose some people, like you perhaps, have such bad luck? I read what you posted above and couldn't help but wonder why I have no such experiences to share (not that I would want to have them). Does it have something to do with where you live, hang out or with the people you know?
Incidentally, not all Pit Bulls are attack dogs. I suspect they have a bad reputation because some people have trained them to be dangerous.
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I never worry about being mugged, beaten or stabbed while I'm out and about. Perhaps you should try moving to one of the first world countries that have a lot more freedom than the USA. You are free to go about your business without ever having to worry about that stuff. Sorry to here that you are a prisoner in your own Country. :(
Seeing you avoided the question
Dear Stupid E-Kul
make society safer and secure
One is a preban and the other a postban , please answer how the post ban rifle that society deemed would make us safer and secure be any less deadly at Sandy Hook
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Equating guns with safety is hilarious. How's it worked for you so far?
P.s. calling me a troll doesn't qualify as an intelligent defence.
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Equating guns with safety is hilarious. How's it worked for you so far?
P.s. calling me a troll doesn't qualify as an intelligent defence.
Commenting on a subject you don't have a clue on doesn't qualify as intelligent either.
And too answer your question http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html
There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens
These don't make news , now compare that to how many murders are being perpetrated with guns and any rational intelligent person can see the vast discrepancy between the two http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,493
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.7
Firearms are used to protect law-abiding citizens safety exponentially more than they are used to harm others
Wanna continue to talk about a subject you don't have a clue about? Nothing wrong with being ignorant , plenty wrong with not knowing and pretending like you do and spouting off snide remarks like ' How's it worked for you so far? ' it's worked a lot better than the media has told you.
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Commenting on a subject you don't have a clue on doesn't qualify as intelligent either.
And too answer your question http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html
There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens
These don't make news , now compare that to how many murders are being perpetrated with guns and any rational intelligent person can see the vast discrepancy between the two http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,493
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.7
Firearms are used to protect law-abiding citizens safety exponentially more than they are used to harm others
Wanna continue to talk about a subject you don't have a clue about? Nothing wrong with being ignorant , plenty wrong with not knowing and pretending like you do and spouting off snide remarks like ' How's it worked for you so far? ' it's worked a lot better than the media has told you.
The US has the worst gun crime stats in the world. Not sure why you'd want to proudly cling to that part of your culture, rather than try and improve or progress it.
Quoting the stats of successful defensive gun use is heartening, except it doesn't say how many of those defences are against gun-toting aggressors. This is the paradoxical thing; what is the point of a culture where you justify using guns by the need to defend yourself against people with guns? haha, Isn't this the great irony? Every state can always adjust, progress and improve, why stubbornly keep doing what isn't working? Constitutional pride aside, this is the definition of insanity.
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It seems you have had more than your share of grief and violence. Why do you suppose some people, like you perhaps, have such bad luck? I read what you posted above and couldn't help but wonder why I have no such experiences to share (not that I would want to have them). Does it have something to do with where you live, hang out or with the people you know?
Incidentally, not all Pit Bulls are attack dogs. I suspect they have a bad reputation because some people have trained them to be dangerous.
Oh, the old blame the victim routine, based on the ridiculous 'just world' theory put forward by religious nut-jobs. Maybe I could say the same about those 22 kids brutally murdered at school, why is it they suffered such bad luck eh? perhaps they have been selling drugs or committing serious crimes, perhaps the 5 year old's were hanging out with the wrong crowd, it could have been that they lived in the wrong middle class suburb. It is normally those who in some way are responsible for others suffering that cast the blame on the victim. Their subconscious feelings of guilt force them to project blame elsewhere so as to prevent them examining their part and their responsibility. See, if you are someone who advocates for guns, you play a part in enabling these incidents to happen, therefore, Gun advocates must bear some responsibility, but because Gun Advocates are either unwilling or unable to do this, they blame the victims, or anything other rather than reflect on how they contributed and take remedial action.
So the reason people are victims to say gun crime or pitbull attack, is not because of karma or some other sick justification for blaming the victim, it is because their are individuals and groups that have enabled it, the Gun Lobby and their supporters, The Pitbull lobby and their supporters etc. etc supported by an uncaring and selfish community, and like you, finds it easier to blame victims than to take responsibility for themselves and their communities security and safety. And the reason why you have no such experiences to share is it could be, as a man who embraces life I have just taken a lot more risks than you, The majority of people like to live a sheltered existence and play it safe, that could possibly be you. Maybe you might understand it in Religious terms, seeing your a God Botherer, It could also be that GOD doesn't give people more than they can handle, perhaps he doesn't think you can handle much, therefore you have had an easy life.
And don't worry, I have had many people try and belittle me and attack me by suggesting that I have gotten what I deserve, these people are generally NOT GOOD people (although they generally are the righteous people, who think they are above everyone else), they have been generally SPOILT in their life and suffered very little. Your HATE only strengthens my resolve and I pity your lack of wisdom and self awareness.
And don't even get me talking about Pitbulls, I know more about the breed, it's history, the effects of nature vs nurture and the devastation these attacks inflict more than any human being I have ever met. After the attack on myself I studied the breed relentlessly, I became an advocate for breed restrictions and had my own website (I recently closed it down). I still have a facebook page reporting the pretty much daily attacks and I am in regular contact with other serious Breed ban Advocates. It was this advocacy that made me impervious to the attacks and insults of Special Interest Groups, I have had numerous death threats, receive regular HATE emails and receive much abuse and bile during the course of this advocacy. I have learnt not to expect anything else from Special Interest Groups that refuse to accept responsibility for the selfish agendas they promote that cause unimaginable suffering within their communities.
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You do understand projection don't you. The fear mongering is done on behalf of the gun nutters, their entire argument is based on the FACT they are SCARED and live in FEAR and because of this FACT, they need a GUN. My argument, is too let go off your fear, accept your vulnerability and stop hiding behind a GUN, it only increases your vulnerability and not lessens it. I understand Gun Nutters are scared, but their are other ways of minimising the risk that you or your family may be harmed. Living without a GUN and facing your anxiety and fears and coming up with more constructive ways to protect yourself is far more beneficial for yourselves and your community, you don't need to live in FEAR.
You can let go of the gun and you will still be OK, you may become anxious at first, but soon you will realise that your fear was irrational, and that owning a gun was more of a way to enhance your insecure deficient personality, and not really for protection after all. You will come to understand that owning a GUN was holding you back from facing the real YOU, and you will now be free to pursue more positive character building initiatives that will benefit you and your community/ After writing this, I really do feel pity and sadness for Gun Nutters, it most be terrible to LIVE in a constant state of fear!
Good post. It liken it to men who walk around with imaginary lat syndrome, as if to deter people from trying to fight them. Not only does it generally lead to more confrontations, but Secure men do not do this. Only men whose dads instilled them with fear do this, who - on some level - feel, or have felt, threatened.
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The US has the worst gun crime stats in the world. Not sure why you'd want to proudly cling to that part of your culture, rather than try and improve or progress it.
Quoting the stats of successful defensive gun use is heartening, except it doesn't say how many of those defences are against gun-toting aggressors. This is the paradoxical thing; what is the point of a culture where you justify using guns by the need to defend yourself against gun-toting criminals? haha, Isn't this the great irony? Every state can always adjust, progress and improve, why stubbornly keep doing what isn't working? Constitutional pride aside, this is the definition of insanity.
The US has the worst gun crime stats in the world. Not sure why you'd want to proudly cling to that part of your culture, rather than try and improve or progress it.
What does that mean? worst gun crimes stats? Because if you're referring to murders via guns we aren't even the top 5 , post your source for this stat.
Quoting the stats of successful defensive gun use is heartening, except it doesn't say how many of those defences are against gun-toting aggressors. This is the paradoxical thing; what is the point of a culture where you justify using guns by the need to defend yourself against gun-toting criminals? haha, Isn't this the great irony? Every state can always adjust, progress and improve, why stubbornly keep doing what isn't working? Constitutional pride aside, this is the definition of insanity.
It doesn't matter how many of these defenses are against gun toting aggressors what matters is they are used to protect people's safety in instances of attempted crimes ,theft , rapes and yes even murder.
You made a really dumb remark Equating guns with safety is hilarious. How's it worked for you so far?
guns were used over 2 millions times to protect a persons safety which is much , much more than they were used to murder innocent people so it's actually worked out better than you know but you're comfortable in your ignorance
what is the point of a culture where you justify using guns by the need to defend yourself against gun-toting criminals?
That's not the only reason to justify using guns , that's the only example you used. Plenty of uses that justify using firearms in every day life , hunting , collecting , target practice , competition , and tes personal defense.
And what's the alternative? a complete ban on guns? would never happen in this country. Your country banned them and violent crimes skyrocketed as did knife violence. Now carrying a knife is illegal in your country , but yet that doesn't seem to help with the violent crime does it?
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Good post. It liken it to men who walk around with imaginary lat syndrome, as if to deter people from trying to fight them. Not only does it generally lead to more confrontations, but Secure men do not do this. Only men whose dads instilled them with fear do this, who - on some level - feel, or have felt, threatened.
Hahahahahahaha what a silly response. People want a gun because they feel threatened? , the irony is you keep insisting America is such a violent place but it's some how irrational to want to try and protect yourself from this?
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I have been ripped apart and permanently injured by Pitbulls, I know more than anybody the dangers that are out there, you want FEAR, try defending yourself against two determined angry Pitbulls, this happened to me while working. Just like GUNS, these incidents happen because of special interests groups who insist on inflicting their agenda on a society that doesn't care for their dangerous obsessions. A gun wouldn't have been practical, nor is it a guaranteed defence against such an efficient attack animal like Pitbulls, Their was a case recently were a Police officer used his gun and took a shot at an attacking Pitbull, only to miss and kill his partner. In this case a gun made it worse. I have also been assaulted on several occasions, twice by three or more men, I have won some, and I have lost some. That's life, I don't let it stop me living my life or to remain in FEAR, like anybody, I make sensible decisions about how I live my life and weigh up the risk/reward ratio when making choices.
The sad thing is, Americans are trying to prepare themselves for things they have no control over, if faced with an armed intruder, you still may find yourself in a situation where you can't get to your gun, you are back to square one. Their is no fool proof way to guarantee your protection, it just isn't possible. So the very thing you cling to so as to protect yourself makes your society a more dangerous place and less safe. And this is the irony, in an attempt to lessen vulnerability and create safety, Americans have created a more vulnerable and less safe place to live. Some countries can pull off a gun culture, just that America isn't one of them, they failed, their civic experiment has been a disaster, which has cost children their lives and also their right to freedom.
Well maybe if you had a god damn gun you wouldn't have been permanently mauled by pitbulls. Its very clear now you harbor very deep prejudice and hatred toward everything that you deem as "dangerous", such as pitbulls and guns.
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Hahahahahahaha what a silly response. People want a gun because they feel threatened? , the irony is you keep insisting America is such a violent place but it's some how irrational to want to try and protect yourself from this?
What is this threat Gun owners fear so much? Considering that Gun related crime is quite low and the chances of you being injured or killed by a gun are incredibly remote, according to the Gun Advocates. Why are you so afraid? You do realise that feeling threatened when their is NO THREAT is more than likely a sign of mental illness.
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Well maybe if you had a god damn gun you wouldn't have been permanently mauled by pitbulls. Its very clear now you harbor very deep prejudice and hatred toward everything that you deem as "dangerous", such as pitbulls and guns.
Exactly , I was bitten by a Doberman when I was young maybe they should be banned too ::)
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Exactly , I was bitten by a Doberman when I was young maybe they should be banned too ::)
Why Not?, their are about a dozen breeds responsible for the majority of serious attacks and fatalities with Pitbulls and Rottweilers at the top of the list. Dobermans are also in that dozen, with over three hundred breeds of dog that have never killed a human being and unlikely to cause serious injury, it makes the mind boggle why anybody would want to own a companion animal like pitbulls that regualrly maim, maul and kill children. Although I don't put Dobermans in the same category as Pitbulls, they are probably best reserved as a trained guard dog for commercial premises and not really a suitable house-pet in a civilised community. Once again, the people who are attracted to these types of animals are normally lacking in the intelligence department, have a weak personality and deep insecurities and are desperate for attention, they generally can't take criticism, are disagreeable and are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. Their are always exceptions, but dangerous dogs attract dangerous people.
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Hahahahahahaha what a silly response. People want a gun because they feel threatened? , the irony is you keep insisting America is such a violent place but it's some how irrational to want to try and protect yourself from this?
To say everyone needs guns to protect themselves from all the people with guns is what's silly. Welcome to objectivity.
It's not me insisting America is so violent, this thread exists because you guys had like the 5th mass shooting in a very short space of time.
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Did you get raped?
It's ok to talk about it.
Apparently man sex gets the toddler toucher "Garebear" hard.
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To say everyone needs guns to protect themselves from all the people with guns is what's silly. Welcome to objectivity.
It's not me insisting America is so violent, this thread exists because you guys had like the 5th mass shooting in a very short space of time.
Where did I ever say everyone needs a gun to protect themselves? I said guns are like abortions , don't want one , don't get one.
It's not me insisting America is so violent, this thread exists because you guys had like the 5th mass shooting in a very short space of time.
In a very short space of time? these ' mass shootings ' are rare , regardless of what the news tells you and the weapons used in them are rarer still seeing the only constitute 2% of the firesarms used in murders , again do you want to keep attempting to speak on a subject you are clueless on? Because I'll keep correcting you ;)
Factoring in the rate of death caused by mass shootings from Columbine to the present (about 210 people in 13 years), it will be more than 300 years until we reach the number of casualties that occur from accidental drownings every single year in this country. In a little more than 150 years from now, we’ll approach the number of people who are poisoned to death every single year in this country. Sometime in 2014 we might surpass the number of people struck by lightning every single year in this country.
It's okay to have an opinion but you have to be well researched and thought out before you share it because if you're not , the facts are doing to crush you into oblivion.
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Just get one of these:
(http://www.couchsurfingori.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/nerf-vulcan-gun1.jpg)
Bodybuilding related because a bodybuilder is using the nerf gun
(http://i50.tinypic.com/acpbs.jpg)
An arsenal
(http://renegade-nerf.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/arsenalz001.jpg)
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ND bringing reality into the antigun fanatics over emotional kneejerk reactions.
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Wrong on ALL accounts , if that were the case blacks would still be property , women wouldn't be able to vote , and forget about gays ever being married or in the military , spoken like another kid who on the other side of the pond who thinks they have it all figured out
Some things in the constitution you do NOT fuck with some you have to add , one of the things that has an always has made this country great is our ability to compromise and work out a mutually beneficial solution too our problems
However when it comes to firearms the average American is sick and tired of having their rights trampled on and being blamed for other peoples atrocities , yes I said their rights are being trampled on and denied by oppressive politicians who think they know what's best for you
Guns are like abortions , don't want one , don't get one but don't make the mistake of telling me I can't have one because of some asshole decided you shoot a school up.
Read it and live it people... One of the smartest posts about this subject ever written.
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That's the kicker
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That's the kicker
Muthafukkin' Pit Bull Free Zone for the win.
Barry and Chewbacca don't want their heals nipped by a couple of ferocious pups.
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I doubt she had a safe , she probably just has an IKEA gun cabinet with a glass front
The guns could have been kept at the gun range also , they said she went target shooting regularly and took both sons
She was negligent , beyond words
Knowing that her son had issues, I would say you are right on; she was very negligent. If all he'd done was kill his mother, then you could say she sort of asked for it. Unfortunately her negligence combined with his craziness cost a lot of innocent people their lives. People all over the world are shocked and deeply saddened by this horrific event. Unfortunately, it also seems to have had a huge negative impact on many people, in that, considering the uptick in gun sales, they are arming themselves.
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Knowing that her son had issues, I would say you are right on; she was very negligent. If all he'd done was kill his mother, then you could say she sort of asked for it. Unfortunately her negligence combined with his craziness cost a lot of innocent people their lives. People all over the world are shocked and deeply saddened by this horrific event. Unfortunately, it also seems to have had a huge negative impact on many people, in that, considering the uptick in gun sales, they are arming themselves.
Gun sales skyrocket every time the gov talks about a ban, people want to "get it while they can".
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No Uberman, but blame the father as well for not being present in the boys life. Guy was a big CEO but didn't have time for his son.
Beware of clichés and stereotypes. Not every young boy or girl whose father is absent in their lives ends up crazy or moreover shooting and killing a couple of dozen innocent children and adults. Ideally, we'd all grow up in a family fantasy like the Ozzie and Harriet television show from the 1950's to 1960's, where mom was holding down the fort and nurturing the kids, while dad was the breadwinner who spent all his free time with his kids. The Nelson's real life was actually more real then ideal.
It seems as if often there are trade-offs in life. Being a "big CEO" is time consuming, but some CEO's who are also parents do find time for their kids. The parents were divorced. This often changes the parenting dynamic, especially for fathers. I know, my parents separated when I was 4 years old. Even though they never made me a pawn in their life after they parted ways, their toxic relationship and subsequent separation had an impact on me. I barely knew my father and not because he was a CEO. Fortunately, my stepfather who came into my life when I was 8 years old, was a great role model for me. I see a lot of his philosophy in my thinking today.
It is human nature for people to try and make sense of that which makes no sense. Everyone is looking for a reason or explanation for why this young man had a psychotic break and killed all these people. Even if a clear reason could be determined, it would do nothing to prevent this happening in the future. Hindsight is always easier than foresight.
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Gun sales skyrocket every time the gov talks about a ban, people want to "get it while they can".
Well, this is good for gun manufacturers and sales then. Personally, I doubt much will come of all the talk about banning guns anytime soon. Not to be too much of a cynic, but knee jerk politics are pretty transparent, shallow and self-serving.
I have no plans to get one while I can.
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Aspergers my ass
20 children are massacred by a nutjob whose mother knew he shouldn't be around guns but fancied them anyways
I blame her
20 poor children are dead due to her negligence and her ignorance
You're right Asperger's disorder is not to blame and thinking so is just plain ignorant. The next thing you know, people will be lobbying to have all those suffering from Asperger's and autism institutionalized. I've met young people who have Asperger's and they were actually very sweet kids once I got to know them.
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Where did I ever say everyone needs a gun to protect themselves? I said guns are like abortions , don't want one , don't get one.
In a very short space of time? these ' mass shootings ' are rare , regardless of what the news tells you and the weapons used in them are rarer still seeing the only constitute 2% of the firesarms used in murders , again do you want to keep attempting to speak on a subject you are clueless on? Because I'll keep correcting you ;)
Factoring in the rate of death caused by mass shootings from Columbine to the present (about 210 people in 13 years), it will be more than 300 years until we reach the number of casualties that occur from accidental drownings every single year in this country. In a little more than 150 years from now, we’ll approach the number of people who are poisoned to death every single year in this country. Sometime in 2014 we might surpass the number of people struck by lightning every single year in this country.
It's okay to have an opinion but you have to be well researched and thought out before you share it because if you're not , the facts are doing to crush you into oblivion.
You are acting as if these shootings have no more political or cultural significance/resonance than drowning or other deaths.
The mall shootings, the batman cinema shooting, this most recent CT one, the obvious high profile other examples from every recent year or so. VT etc , They may not mean a lot to you in the grand scheme, but I'm telling you in the eyes of the world (yes I know many Americans don't acknowledge a world outside the states), it looks like a bunch of avoidable tragedies.
Yellow teeth tom dick and harry.....wow this shit just got intellectual!
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They may not mean a lot to you in the grand scheme, but I'm telling you in the eyes of the world (yes I know many Americans don't acknowledge a world outside the states), it looks like a bunch of avoidable tragedies.
I still can't figure out what it is with "the rest of the world" thinking that their opinion should somehow dictate our policy. You guys aren't us - your opinion on our homeland policy is irrelevant.
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You are acting as if these shootings have no more political or cultural significance/resonance than drowning or other deaths.
The mall shootings, the batman cinema shooting, this most recent CT one, the obvious high profile other examples from every recent year or so. VT etc , They may not mean a lot to you in the grand scheme, but I'm telling you in the eyes of the world (yes I know many Americans don't acknowledge a world outside the states), it looks like a bunch of avoidable tragedies.
Yellow teeth tom dick and harry.....wow this shit just got intellectual!
You are acting as if these shootings have no more political or cultural significance/resonance than drowning or other deaths.
You'd be wrong they have a lot of political significance because they anti-gun crowd will now use this to further their agenda , whenever they smell blood they start circling like vultures and my point is. The point is these events while tragic don't happen as often as you and the antis think they do
The mall shootings, the batman cinema shooting, this most recent CT one, the obvious high profile other examples from every recent year or so. VT etc , They may not mean a lot to you in the grand scheme, but I'm telling you in the eyes of the world (yes I know many Americans don't acknowledge a world outside the states), it looks like a bunch of avoidable tragedies.
It still doesn't change the FACT that these events are very rare. It not only do they appear to look avoidable tragedies to other countries but to many Americans as well but like them you would be DEAD WRONG
How are they avoidable? tougher laws? This has been addressed and Connecticut has some on the toughest laws in the United States. A total ban on all firearms? This wouldn't avoid what happened because it's fantasy that the United States will collect 300 million guns. If not a total ban on guns how about an assault weapons ban ? CT already has one in effect. How about a ban on murder? Opppsss that's already illegal. How about a ban on theft? that's covered. How about a gun free school zone where people aren't allowed to bring firearms? covered.
Please Mr Enlightened friend across the Atlantic , tell us how this was/is avoidable so I can address that.
Yellow teeth tom dick and harry.....wow this shit just got intellectual!
I never called you that , don't need to add insult to injury.
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Wayne LaPierre: If It’s Crazy To Put More Guns In Schools, Then Call Me Crazy
Ok. Should I call you Mr. Crazy or Crazy LaPierre?
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Wayne LaPierre: If It’s Crazy To Put More Guns In Schools, Then Call Me Crazy
Ok. Should I call you Mr. Crazy or Crazy LaPierre?
Oh, that is an incredibly insightful and riotously funny response, did you spend all day coming up with that brilliance?
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Wayne LaPierre: If It’s Crazy To Put More Guns In Schools, Then Call Me Crazy
Ok. Should I call you Mr. Crazy or Crazy LaPierre?
Was it crazy when Bill Clinton called for it after Columbine?
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Don't know if this was posted here or not but so it begins...This guy Gene is a fcking liar for sure.
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Well, this is good for gun manufacturers and sales then. Personally, I doubt much will come of all the talk about banning guns anytime soon. Not to be too much of a cynic, but knee jerk politics are pretty transparent, shallow and self-serving.
I have no plans to get one while I can.
I already got one and will be getting more. 8)
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Don't know if this was posted here or not but so it begins...This guy Gene is a fcking liar for sure.
Reminds me of this COINTELPRO plant
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Don't know if this was posted here or not but so it begins...This guy Gene is a fcking liar for sure.
Oh fuck i told you guys, another fake fucken hero. truth be told 20 kids and 7 adults got shot dead, fair and square. Not heroes, but Victims. Sorry but true.
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Chrisis Actors website
http://crisisactors.org/
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Oh fuck i told you guys, another fake fucken hero. truth be told 20 kids and 7 adults got shot dead, fair and square. Not heroes, but Victims. Sorry but true.
And because of this Gene Rosen's bloodline, the media will just let it go :(
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http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Now mind you our foreign friends this is an independent study NO WAY affiliated with any pro-gun group and you don't get much better than Harvard ;D
They answer these questions "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence."
Needless to say it's a resounding NO
Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
So when you wanna talk guns better bring facts and not emotions ;)
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They answer these questions "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence."
The answer is simple:
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The answer is simple:
Hahahahahahaha good point especially for most of the people who are anti-gun
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The answer is simple:
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The answer is simple:
hundreds of millions of guns in the United States and you're suggesting the majority are owned by bad guys! Interesting
Statistically their is almost one gun for every citizen, so where are all the good guys with guns? What you're actually advocating for is a wild west situation were large numbers of citizens are armed everywhere they go, you Americans are Nuts!
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hundreds of millions of guns in the United States and you're suggesting the majority are owned by bad guys! Interesting
Read the study it puts EVERYTHING and ANYTHING you typed to bed. This is check mate ;)
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
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hundreds of millions of guns in the United States and you're suggesting the majority are owned by bad guys! Interesting
Statistically their is almost one gun for every citizen, so where are all the good guys with guns? What you're actually advocating for is a wild west situation were large numbers of citizens are armed everywhere they go, you Americans are Nuts!
I did not suggest that. Fact is: you can not defend yourself unarmed against an armed crook. If you can, well congratulations, you are a magician.
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Just walk around with these 2 bodyguards and you wont need a gun
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Read the study it puts EVERYTHING and ANYTHING you typed to bed. This is check mate ;)
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Everyone has a study these days, and they almost always a full of conformational bias, academia hand picking selective information and excluding damning information to advocate the political position they hold. This studies have no longer become about facts, but about University's profiting by being funded by those who are trying to achieve a certain political outcome. Anybody with time on their hands can easily disseminate these studies and often find the prejudice and biases of the academics who researched them.
Here in Australia we also have University studies, and through my years of studying Pitbulls and their inherent risk to citizens I discovered a PhD Candidate that was studying Dangerous Breeds of Dog that were to be used for the Governments Centre for Disease Control report, when I read her report, I found many omissions, exaggerations and blatant factual distortions and misrepresentations, It became immediately apparent to me that she was a Pro pitbull Supporter, and regardless of the facts, she was going to put forward her Pro Pitbull argument. So I did some research and discovered the PhD Candidate was a president for the Australian Pitbull Association and had not informed the university about this prior to commencing her PhD. So I contacted the University in question, and they so far have pretended to take the matter seriously, and have told me their is an ongoing investigation, it's not so much that she was a president of a Pitbull Association, it's that she didn't admit to anything that would expose a conflict of interest.
Too many people just see the letters PhD and automatically assume these are neutral participants, this is almost never true, the funding for these studies comes from the group with a vested interest and are swayed to present a biased report and conclusion, this is how it works. Drug company sponsors University, University does study and viola!, discovers that the new drug that particular drug company is selling is perfectly SAFE, this is a crude example, for their is much politics involved, but everyone these days is a sell out whore, including your Mum!
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Everyone has a study these days, and they almost always a full of conformational bias, academia hand picking selective information and excluding damning information to advocate the political position they hold. This studies have no longer become about facts, but about University's profiting by being funded by those who are trying to achieve a certain political outcome. Anybody with time on their hands can easily disseminate these studies and often find the prejudice and biases of the academics who researched them.
Here in Australia we also have University studies, and through my years of studying Pitbulls and their inherent risk to citizens I discovered a PhD Candidate that was studying Dangerous Breeds of Dog that were to be used for the Governments Centre for Disease Control report, when I read her report, I found many omissions, exaggerations and blatant factual distortions and misrepresentations, It became immediately apparent to me that she was a Pro pitbull Supporter, and regardless of the facts, she was going to put forward her Pro Pitbull argument. So I did some research and discovered the PhD Candidate was a president for the Australian Pitbull Association and had not informed the university about this prior to commencing her PhD. So I contacted the University in question, and they so far have pretended to take the matter seriously, and have told me their is an ongoing investigation, it's not so much that she was a president of a Pitbull Association, it's that she didn't admit to anything that would expose a conflict of interest.
Too many people just see the letters PhD and automatically assume these are neutral participants, this is almost never true, the funding for these studies comes from the group with a vested interest and are swayed to present a biased report and conclusion, this is how it works. Drug company sponsors University, University does study and viola!, discovers that the new drug that particular drug company is selling is perfectly SAFE, this is a crude example, for their is much politics involved, but everyone these days is a sell out whore, including your Mum!
Meltdown ;)
Thanks for playing. ;D
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Here in Australia we also have University studies, and through my years of studying Pitbulls and their inherent risk to citizens I discovered a PhD Candidate that was studying Dangerous Breeds of Dog that were to be used for the Governments Centre for Disease Control report, when I read her report, I found many omissions, exaggerations and blatant factual distortions and misrepresentations, It became immediately apparent to me that she was a Pro pitbull Supporter, and regardless of the facts, she was going to put forward her Pro Pitbull argument. So I did some research and discovered the PhD Candidate was a president for the Australian Pitbull Association and had not informed the university about this prior to commencing her PhD. So I contacted the University in question, and they so far have pretended to take the matter seriously, and have told me their is an ongoing investigation, it's not so much that she was a president of a Pitbull Association, it's that she didn't admit to anything that would expose a conflict of interest.
Absolutely bat shit crazy.
If you don't see the world his way, he will stomp his feet and hold his breath until you do. ::)
It's really too bad the pit bulls wouldn't have just offed this waste of space.
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I did not suggest that. Fact is: you can not defend yourself unarmed against an armed crook. If you can, well congratulations, you are a magician.
Your assuming all crooks will murder you as soon as look at you, most criminals will try to AVOID shooting anyone as much as possible, as that elevates the crime to a level where they are looking at serious jail time, this is the way it goes, armed intruder(s) comes in, I am shocked but aware what is going on, I tell them I am no threat, discover what it is they want and tell them to take whatever they want! They take what they want and leave, I am shaken up and in mild shock, the crook gets what he wanted. The crook (s) leave, I ring the police and report the crime, I spend a sleepless night and the next day I ring the Insurance company, that's how it goes down. Now, if I (unarmed) attempted to tackle armed men, I must likely will get injured, but the crook would still prefer not to kill me (remember, he's thinking worse case scenario if he gets caught, he wants the charges read out in court to be minimised and the least serious).
Now if I have a gun on the other hand, all of a sudden, an incident that is frightening but easily survivable if read correctly, has now become deadly, and depending on how much homework the crook(s) have done, and how many crooks their are and other factors like weapon skill level and the like, the situation has now become potentially deadly for all involved, the crook will almost certainly want to kill me now, and even if I manage to kill him, the whole ordeal will now be a whole lot more stressful for me, I will have to deal with the Police, Court rooms, Judges and a whole host of other issues, rather than some sleepless nights and a cheque from the Insurance Company.
I actually think must Gun owners have some superman complex and fantasize about being a HERO.
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Absolutely bat shit crazy.
If you don't see the world his way, he will stomp his feet and hold his breath until you do. ::)
Are you even aware you are describing the NRA and it's supporters. The absolute lack of self awareness on behalf of Gun Nutters is staggering, I often wonder if they know they are full of shit but decide the profit they make from Guns is a worthwhile compromise or they actually believe the crap that comes out of their mouths!
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Are you even aware you are describing the NRA and it's supporters. The absolute lack of self awareness on behalf of Gun Nutters is staggering, I often wonder if they know they are full of shit but decide the profit they make from Guns is a worthwhile compromise or they actually believe the crap that comes out of their mouths!
You my dim witted friend are wrong on everything you type ;)
Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
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Here in Australia we also have University studies, and through my years of studying Pitbulls and their inherent risk to citizens I discovered a PhD Candidate that was studying Dangerous Breeds of Dog that were to be used for the Governments Centre for Disease Control report, when I read her report, I found many omissions, exaggerations and blatant factual distortions and misrepresentations, It became immediately apparent to me that she was a Pro pitbull Supporter, and regardless of the facts, she was going to put forward her Pro Pitbull argument. So I did some research and discovered the PhD Candidate was a president for the Australian Pitbull Association and had not informed the university about this prior to commencing her PhD. So I contacted the University in question, and they so far have pretended to take the matter seriously, and have told me their is an ongoing investigation, it's not so much that she was a president of a Pitbull Association, it's that she didn't admit to anything that would expose a conflict of interest.
Wow dude... just... wow. You have issues.
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there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime.
HA HA Keep telling yourself that!
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Your assuming all crooks will murder you as soon as look at you, most criminals will try to AVOID shooting anyone as much as possible, as that elevates the crime to a level where they are looking at serious jail time, this is the way it goes, armed intruder(s) comes in, I am shocked but aware what is going on, I tell them I am no threat, discover what it is they want and tell them to take whatever they want! They take what they want and leave, I am shaken up and in mild shock, the crook gets what he wanted. The crook (s) leave, I ring the police and report the crime, I spend a sleepless night and the next day I ring the Insurance company, that's how it goes down. Now, if I attempted to tackle armed men, I must likely will get injured, but the crook would still not prefer to kill me (remember, he's thinking worse case scenario if he gets caught, he wants the charges read out in court to be minimised and the least serious).
Now if I have a gun on the other hand, all of a sudden, an incident that is frightening but easily survivable if read correctly, has now become deadly, and depending on how much homework the crook(s) have done, and how many crooks their are and other factors like weapon skill level and the like, the situation has now become potentially deadly for all involved, the crook will almost certainly want to kill me now, and even if I manage to kill him, the whole ordeal will now be a whole lot more stressful for me, I will have to deal with the Police, Court rooms, Judges and a whole host of other issues, rather than some sleepless nights and a cheque from the Insurance Company.
"most criminals will try to AVOID shooting anyone as much as possible, as that elevates the crime to a level where they are looking at serious jail time"
You have never spent 5 minutes in an urban setting. Inner city crime has ZERO respect for life. Gangs and minorities that commit these violent crimes will kill you if you look at them wrong, kill you if you're wearing the wrong colored jacket, kill you for $5 if they need a fix.
You're going to stand your ground against an armed attacker, when you piss your pants over a couple of dogs? You're mentally ill - don't seek help - but promise us you will kill yourself in a glorious manner for all of Getbig to see.
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HA HA Keep telling yourself that!
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Nice slanted pic show the rest because The United States isn't number 1 are they? ;)
Kid you bias is showing
Country Total firearm-related death rate Homicides Suicides Unintentional Undetermined Year Sources and notes
El Salvador 50.36 50.36 NA NA NA 2009 OAS 2011[1]
Jamaica 47.44 47.44 NA NA NA 2009 OAS 2011[1]
Honduras 46.70 46.70 NA NA NA 2007 OAS 2011[1]
Guatemala 38.52 38.52 NA NA NA 2009 OAS 2011[1]
Swaziland 37.16 37.16 NA NA NA 2004 UNODC 2006[1]
Colombia 28.11 27.10 0.87 0.14 NA 2009 UNODC 2011 [2]
Brazil 19.01 18.10 0.73 0.18 NA 2008 UNODC 2011[3]
Panama 12.92 12.92 NA NA NA 2010 OAS 2011[1]
Mexico 11.14 10.00 0.67 0.47 NA 2010 UNODC 2011[4]
All above the United States and I love how you just dismissed an INDEPENDENT study from a prestigious Ivy League University but we're supposed to just take this one on faith . you're a hypocrite and not a very smart one either
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Read the INDEPENDENT study come back and apologize ;)
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Are you even aware you are describing the NRA and it's supporters. The absolute lack of self awareness on behalf of Gun Nutters is staggering, I often wonder if they know they are full of shit but decide the profit they make from Guns is a worthwhile compromise or they actually believe the crap that comes out of their mouths!
The only things you know about the NRA, America, or the gun owning citizens of America you've learned from watching the news.
You do not speak from a position of knowledge, experience, or authority. You run your mouth because you have some type of mental disability and you think you know better than the millions of Americans that safely own guns every day.I'll bet liberal assholes like Piers Morgan are your heroes.
Go pet a couple rottweilers, it will be soothing for you.
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"most criminals will try to AVOID shooting anyone as much as possible, as that elevates the crime to a level where they are looking at serious jail time"
You have never spent 5 minutes in an urban setting. Inner city crime has ZERO respect for life. Gangs and minorities that commit these violent crimes will kill you if you look at them wrong, kill you if you're wearing the wrong colored jacket, kill you for $5 if they need a fix.
You're going to stand your ground against an armed attacker, when you piss your pants over a couple of dogs? You're mentally ill - don't seek help - but promise us you will kill yourself in a glorious manner for all of Getbig to see.
5 minutes on the NYC Mugger Mover would wake up e-kul real quick.
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You have never spent 5 minutes in an urban setting. Inner city crime has ZERO respect for life. Gangs and minorities that commit these violent crimes will kill you if you look at them wrong, kill you if you're wearing the wrong colored jacket, kill you for $5 if they need a fix.
Agreed, I've spent time around these people when I was using drugs, they are absolutley terrifying. They don't give 2 shits about anything but their wants and desires, and they wouldn't think twice about killing someone to get it. The only thing they respect is the possibility of violence, it's the only thing that keeps them in line. They quickly identify those weaker than them and start fucking them over, stealing their shit, etc, even in their own peer groups.
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"most criminals will try to AVOID shooting anyone as much as possible, as that elevates the crime to a level where they are looking at serious jail time"
You have never spent 5 minutes in an urban setting. Inner city crime has ZERO respect for life. Gangs and minorities that commit these violent crimes will kill you if you look at them wrong, kill you if you're wearing the wrong colored jacket, kill you for $5 if they need a fix.
You're going to stand your ground against an armed attacker, when you piss your pants over a couple of dogs? You're mentally ill - don't seek help - but promise us you will kill yourself in a glorious manner for all of Getbig to see.
Why is that Gun Nuts are dramatic whiny little bitches who exaggerate every potential threat they ever hear of in the NEWS, you have been watching far too many moves. You sound like the typical spoilt suburban arsehole, you wouldn't last 5 minutes in the rough suburbs of Australia, especially considering you couldn't carry a gun. No one is going to kill you for wearing the wrong coloured jacket or for $5, they would kill you for free, because your an arrogant Arse hole.
It amazes me how insecure men often bring up the fact I was attacked by Pitbulls thinking that they will somehow frighten me off or intimidate me, after squaring off with Pitbulls (who are genuinely intimidating) the poorly constructed insults of your garden variety bully are genuinely laughable, it really is a pathetic attempt to mask the butthurt you experience when I stand firm against your lunatic ranting and raving. Surviving a potential deadly attack by two determined pitbulls isn't something I am ashamed of, it illustrates my strength and strong constitution, and for any man who thinks he can replicate the feat, feel free too provoke a couple of Pitbulls and see how you go, come back and let me know how you went. It sounds like you are well versed in the art of bullying, I imagine you get away with it with the women in your life and practice it often, but too me, it just highlights how much people like you should be forbidden from owning a pea shooter, let alone a gun. Your arguments only damage the cause you are arguing for and highlight how unstable the Pro Gun Lobby is.
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does anyone here seriously think the nra is there in the interest of the honest gun buyers?
they are there for the interest of the arms industry.
And who supports the arms industry?
Which "Youre a peon" country are you from again?
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And who supports the arms industry?
Which "Youre a peon" country are you from again?
I think he's from Switzerland, which is funny because they have a very high rate of gun ownership - including assault rifles.
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I think he's from Switzerland, which is funny because they have a very high rate of gun ownership - including assault rifles.
I thought so. I don't have an issue with gayleanco, but I find people from outside the US hat tell us all about our government and our lives and how bad we have it from thousands of miles away to be quite annoying.
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Agreed, I've spent time around these people when I was using drugs, they are absolutley terrifying.
Wow, It's all coming out now, your another Zimemrman, a coward who is afraid of his own shadow, when I was younger, my best friends dad was heavily involved in the Underworld, and I have met Killers, and you're right, they spot cry baby bed wetters like you a mile off, they realise that you would rather have the shit beaten out of you than defend yourself. It all makes sense now why you seem so determined to own a gun.
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Wow, It's all coming out now, your another Zimemrman, a coward who is afraid of his own shadow, when I was younger, my best friends dad was heavily involved in the Underworld, and I have met Killers, and you're right, they spot cry baby bed wetters like you a mile off, they realise that you would rather have the shit beaten out of you than defend yourself. It all makes sense now why you seem so determined to own a gun.
Brutal leaps of logic. And brutal psychoanalysis failure.
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I thought so. I don't have an issue with gayleanco, but I find people from outside the US hat tell us all about our government and our lives and how bad we have it from thousands of miles away to be quite annoying.
Yeah, the Swiss can pull it off, they are reasonable people. If the majority of the country is comprised of reasonable people, then Gun ownership works, America is made up of disturbed, spoilt, self indulgent, narcissistic, overgrown children with a severe sense of entitlement, just never going to work is it?
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I'm always confused when a fellow American makes the argument that, if we're not the worst, why should we change?
Is that really the America you want?
Hey, we're second worst in education, so fuck you!
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I'm always confused when a fellow American makes the argument that, if we're not the worst, why should we change?
Is that really the America you want?
Hey, we're second worst in education, so fuck you!
I think improving our education system is a much better use of our time/money than the current witch hunt.
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I think improving our education system is a much better use of our time/money than the current witch hunt.
Aren't you worried an educated individual will see through the Gun Lobbies propaganda and lies, if I was a GUN NUT, I would want to keep the population dumbed down so the NRA's propaganda had a chance to stick.
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Aren't you worried an educated individual will see through the Gun Lobbies propaganda and lies, if I was a GUN NUT, I would want to keep the population dumbed down so the NRA's propaganda had a chance to stick.
::)
Your attempts are trolling are pathetic.
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Why is that Gun Nuts....<snip to remove psychotic ranting>.
Exactly as I suspected. You've never been anywhere, seen anything, or experienced anything outside of the assbackwards little Aussie village you hide from pit bulls in.
I have lived in NYC, Detroit, Boston, Phoenix, and LA. I currently live in Chicago. I have a fair understanding of ineffective gun bans and inner city gun crime.
You are a petulant child, and a coward, who tries to project your fears and mental instability on those around you. For the record, I still wish the pit bulls would have offed you.
"My best friend's dad's uncle's brother's cousin's sister's ex-boyfriend's former coworker was in organized crime and was a killer"
Retard please..... ::)
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Exactly as I suspected. You've never been anywhere, seen anything, or experienced anything outside of the assbackwards little Aussie village you hide from pit bulls in.
I have lived in NYC, Detroit, Boston, Phoenix, and LA. I currently live in Chicago. I have a fair understanding of ineffective gun bans and inner city gun crime.
You are a petulant child, and a coward, who tries to project your fears and mental instability on those around you. For the record, I still wish the pit bulls would have offed you.
"My best friend's dad's uncle's brother's cousin's sister's ex-boyfriend's former coworker was in organized crime and was a killer"
Retard please..... ::)
HockeyFightFan <--- the name explains pretty much everything you need to know - simple minds simple pleasures. watching grown men with sticks punch each other a lot and shooting tin cans on the weekend. HHMMMM! Man of worldly wisdom right there folks!
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"My best friend's dad's uncle's brother's cousin's sister's ex-boyfriend's former coworker was in organized crime and was a killer"
Retard please..... ::)
I also lol'd.
"Im going to tell you how tough some guy that was related to a friend of mine was, I know all about the ugly side of the world, I've been around the block, now shut up, I have to call the University to complain that a woman is writing an article on dangerous dogs and she has a conflict of interest!!!"
You can't make up the shit this guy says, it's like listening to a virgin talking about how much he knows about sex because he's met some dude that's fucked 100 women.
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I think improving our education system is a much better use of our time/money than the current witch hunt.
Fair enough. At least you're promoting some type of improvement.
I just don't understand the argument that not being the worst means fuggit.
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I also lol'd.
"Im going to tell you how tough some guy that was related to a friend of mine was, I know all about the ugly side of the world, I've been around the block, now shut up, I have to call the University to complain that a woman is writing an article on dangerous dogs and she has a conflict of interest!!!"
You can't make up the shit this guy says, it's like listening to a virgin trying to talk about how much sex he's had.
I wasn't the one who first mentioned hanging around BAD dudes, that was you, I was just countering your claim, and acknowledging that I too have met some of life's seedier characters, but unlike you, I wasn't shaking at the knees and to quote you "Terrified" of them". Like I said, it all became clear after that why you want a GUN, just admit your a frightened fearful man, I don't see what the big deal is. You met some BAD dudes and now your eternally frightened.
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I wasn't the one who first mentioned hanging around BAD dudes, that was you, I was just countering your claim, and acknowledging that I too have met some of life's seedier characters, but unlike you, I wasn't shaking at the knees and to quote you "Terrified" of them". Like I said, it all became clear after that why you want a GUN, just admit your a frightened fearful man, I don't see what the big deal is. You met some BAD dudes and now your eternally frightened.
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I was running with them, consistently, while I using hard drugs. I've done some things I'm not proud of. I'm not going to get into it all, just suffice to say that you're dead wrong and it's pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
"My friends dad knew a killer, I met him once" Oh fucking brother, give me a break kid.
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Anybody want to bet that if E-kul was placed into time out he would kill himself within a day.
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I was running with them, consistently, while I using hard drugs. I've done some things I'm not proud of. I'm not going to get into it all, just suffice to say that you're dead wrong and it's pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
"My friends dad knew a killer, I met him once" Oh fucking brother, give me a break kid.
I didn't say that, I said when I was younger, my best friends dad was involved quite heavily in the Underworld, now, I was in High School, and not fully aware of what his DAD was up too until many years later, so as a consequence of just spending time with my friend, i was also spending time at his house and his dads many associates would come over, I wasn't saying it too brag or Big Note, I was simply pointing out a part of my younger life (I am 40 now), and as I got older I discovered what his dad did for a living (he was a major drug dealer) as I also had a drug problem in my twenties and spent quite some time with him(my friends father), their were a few really frightening dudes that you always had to keep your eye on, but for the most part, so called criminals are just like you and I.
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HockeyFightFan <--- the name explains pretty much everything you need to know - simple minds simple pleasures. watching grown men with sticks punch each other a lot and shooting tin cans on the weekend. HHMMMM! Man of worldly wisdom right there folks!
Well, where have you lived, traveled, studied, worked?
I enjoy hockey and hockey fighting (watching or doing it), I'm sure as hell not going to apologize to a bedwetter like you for that. A respectful tussle now and then sets the world straight.
So other than being the punch line for Getbig jokes, go ahead, tell us what you've done to garner all this wordly experience.
I still think the dogs should have finished you off.
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Anybody want to bet that if E-kul was placed into time out he would kill himself within a day.
If by time out, you mean solitary confinement, I spend large amounts of time on my own, I actually prefer it. For some people being isolated is torture, for me, I Like it, I find the company of the everyday man quite unsatisfying, I have always preferred my own company. As a matter of fact, I have tired of Getbigs madness,and am going to bed for 8 hours of solitude.
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Well, where have you lived, traveled, studied, worked?
I enjoy hockey and hockey fighting (watching or doing it),
Go ahead, tell us what you've done to garner all this wordly experience.
I fucked your Mum, she says "Hi"
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Aren't you worried an educated individual will see through the Gun Lobbies propaganda and lies, if I was a GUN NUT, I would want to keep the population dumbed down so the NRA's propaganda had a chance to stick.
Forget the gun lobbies this is an INDEPENDENT test carried out by a prestigious Ivy League University with no bias for or against
The irony is you have in your sig Science will win because it works!
This was a scientific test carried out by the best of the best Harvard Law , This makes you a HYPOCRITE because you don't like where the results lead you and that's YOUR OPINION IS WRONG , you have no integrity
If this test yielded the results that were in line with your irrational opinion they would be accurate & correct , but they don't so now you're reduced to giving some anecdotal bullshit story about some University in Australia ::)
You lost , deal with it.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
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I fucked your Mum, she says "Hi"
You're an irrational person who is too stupid to look past his own biases to accept the truth , science has proven your position false. Grown up on all accounts.
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I fucked your Mum, she says "Hi"
My Mom died when I was nine years old, so that joke just doesn't seem to have any affect on me.
You're 40 years old? Good christ, now I feel like Getbig should apologize to Vince Basile for comparing you to him. Even Basile is not a spastic like you.
Your mental instability is interesting, I'd like this thread to be one of those where the weirdo seeking attention (you) kills himself at the end to spite all of us. Can you please do that for me? It would make such a heartwarming Getbig Christmas moment.
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I'm always confused when a fellow American makes the argument that, if we're not the worst, why should we change?
Is that really the America you want?
Hey, we're second worst in education, so fuck you!
You're not an American, you're a traitor hiding in slantsville whining about Americans and our policies. Stay fucked off and never return, we don't need your kind here.
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Forget the gun lobbies this is an INDEPENDENT test carried out by a prestigious Ivy League University with no bias for or against
The irony is you have in your sig Science will win because it works!
This was a scientific test carried out by the best of the best Harvard Law , This makes you a HYPOCRITE because you don't like where the results lead you and that's YOUR OPINION IS WRONG , you have no integrity
If this test yielded the results that were in line with your irrational opinion they would be accurate & correct , but they don't so now you're reduced to giving some anecdotal bullshit story about some University in Australia ::)
You lost , deal with it.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
That is bull, the difference between how different countries classify and compile violent crime figs renders these types of comparisons useless. The most reliable indicator when comparing violence in different societies is to look at homicide rates. The more murders in a country you can bet the more violent the society is as a whole.
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These are also quite interesting findings re gun ownership/homicide rates.
Harvard Injury Control Research Center
Homicide
1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review).
Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.
2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.
We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.
Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.
3. Across states, more guns = more homicide
Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).
After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002: 92:1988-1993.
4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)
Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.
Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html
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That is bull, the difference between how different countries classify and compile violent crime figs renders these types of comparisons useless. The most reliable indicator when comparing violence in different societies is to look at homicide rates. The more murders in a country you can bet the more violent the society is as a whole.
Did you even read the study? Did you even bother? Lets see who we should believe Conker from Getbig of Harvard Law , seriously?
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The One World Government agenda wants all guns out of the hands of the people. One thing is for sure, once they get the guns out of the hands of the people, the media will not report another gun shooting. Its all a scam people.
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Did you even read the study? Did you even bother? Lets see who we should believe Conker from Getbig of Harvard Law , seriously?
No I didn't read the study as I'm sure their findings will have been reached by extrapolating from each nation's respective official violent crime figs(correct me if I'm wrong?)
And going on those figs South Africa is supposedly far less violent than the UK...
It has been well documented that figs are useless for drawing accurate comparisons, as each country has different methods for compiling their figs.
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"The comparison of violent crime statistics between countries is usually problematic, due to the way different countries classify crime.[2] Valid comparisons require that similar offences between jurisdictions be compared. Often this is not possible because crime statistics aggregate equivalent offences in such different ways that make it difficult or impossible to obtain a valid comparison."
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http://gothamist.com/2012/12/18/sandy_hook_labeled_strike_zone_in_d.php
Some idle corners of the Internet are chattering about a number of coincidences that would appear to connect Dark Knight Rises with America’s two most recent horrifying gun massacres. After the mass shooting in an Aurora, Colorado movie theater during a midnight screening for the film, the word “Aurora” was spotted in bright lights atop a building in Dark Knight Rises. Now it seems the name “Sandy Hook” also has ties to the Batman flick... two, it would seem.
Before the movie came out, some media outlets received a “viral package” that contained a map showing a targeted area called Sandy Hook, which was labeled “Strike Zone 1.” In the movie, this is where Gotham Stadium is, and Commissioner Gordon points to it on a map (it’s the only thing you can read on the map aside from the word “Gotham”). What’s circulating is a theory that the Sandy Hook massacre was, on some subliminal level, brought on by the movie:
“As more of these ‘strange coincidences’ continue to pop up, it would take a fool not to question the motive behind it all: Is this all part of an evil pre-conditioning program? This definitely begins to tread into Satanic and occult territory, the purpose of which is known to only a select few in tight-knit circles at the very top branches of various secret societies.”
This attempt to draw a legitimate connection between a fictional film and a devastating real-life massacre comes off as trivializing. But we’ve got to admit it’s a pretty weird coincidence. If you’re inclined to take a closer look, there’s this:
And THIS IS FROM DECEMBER 2011!!
www.ugo.com/movies/the-dark-knight-rises-viral-package-strike-1
Strike 1
It’s a bad day to be a sports fan. Bane has Gotham Stadium set in his sights and it’s his first “strike zone.” What exactly will he do at each strike zone? We have no idea, but we’re willing to bet the stadium is going to need some repairs once the foe is finished with the location.
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No I didn't read the study as I'm sure their findings will have been reached by extrapolating from each nation's respective official violent crime figs(correct me if I'm wrong?)
And going on those figs South Africa is supposedly far less violent than the UK...
It has been well documented that figs are useless for drawing accurate comparisons, as each country has different methods for compiling their figs.
The irony about the UK is
Comparing
crime rates
between America
and Britain is
flawed. In
America, a gun
crime is recorded
as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final disposition (a
conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly
undercounting the amount of gun crime there.
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The irony about the UK is
Comparing
crime rates
between America
and Britain is
flawed. In
America, a gun
crime is recorded
as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final disposition (a
conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly
undercounting the amount of gun crime there.
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pwned
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http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Now mind you our foreign friends this is an independent study NO WAY affiliated with any pro-gun group and you don't get much better than Harvard ;D
They answer these questions "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence."
Needless to say it's a resounding NO
Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
So when you wanna talk guns better bring facts and not emotions ;)
Facts: The authors of this article have made careers in areas concerning gun control and the second Amendment. Is it not possible they only quoted statistics which supported their positions? Gary Mauser lives and works in Canada. Don Kates work has primarily been with the second Amendment and Civil Rights. Neither professor is a graduate of Harvard Law. The article uses tables supposed available through the Harvard Law library and this is the article's only connection to Harvard Law.
We live in a time when there are statistics to support whatever position one wishes to take on pretty much any subject.
Did it not occur to you that there might be bias on the part of these authors?
Professor Gary Mauser
Gary A. Mauser is a Professor Emeritus at the Faculty of Business Administration and the Institute for Urban Canadian Research Studies at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia. Professor Mauser earned his Ph.D. from the University of California at Irvine. He has dual American and Canadian citizenship. He and his wife, Ede Wong, have five children and live in Coquitlam.
His interest in firearms and “gun control” grew out of his research in political marketing. He has published two books, Political Marketing, and Manipulating Public Opinion and more than 20 articles. For the past 15 years, Professor Mauser has conducted research on the politics of gun control, the effectiveness of gun control laws, and the use of firearms in self defense.
Gary has been a featured speaker in New Zealand, Australia, Great Britain, and in North America.
He purchased his first firearm after moving to Canada and conducting research into firearm legislation. He is a member of the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee for Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day and of the British Columbia Wildlife Federation.
Don Kates is one of the foremost litigators, criminologists and scholars on the Second Amendment and the fundamental right to self-defense and the individual right to keep and bear arms in the country. A renowned civil rights advocate, Professor Kates has been involved in practically every major case involving these issues for over 30 years. Professor Kates has also written extensively on these subjects, and has published numerous criminological reviews on gun control laws and their ineffectiveness in reducing violent crime.
Early in his career, Professor Kates did civil rights legal work in the South and clerked for civil rights lawyer William Kunstler. Professor Kates’ first decade in practice was with Legal Services for the poor where he handled constitutional and other major public interest civil rights litigation exclusively. After teaching constitutional and criminal law at St. Louis University, Professor Kates moved to San Francisco where he continued to practice civil rights advocacy and became involved in advocating on behalf of gun owners’ right to self-defense. Since then, he has handled many of the most significant cases in the country relating to the Second Amendment and self-defense civil rights. This subject remains his forte. Professor Kates has authored or edited several books and numerous articles on the law and criminology of firearms. He continues to lecture and teach on a variety of subjects.
Professor Kates graduated from Reed College in 1962 and Yale Law School in 1966.
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Facts: The authors of this article have made careers in areas concerning gun control and the second Amendment. Is it not possible they only quoted statistics which supported their positions? Gary Mauser lives and works in Canada. Don Kates work has primarily been with the second Amendment and Civil Rights. Neither professor is a graduate of Harvard Law. The article uses tables supposed available through the Harvard Law library and this is the article's only connection to Harvard Law.
We live in a time when there are statistics to support whatever position one wishes to take on pretty much any subject.
Did it not occur to you that there might be bias on the part of these authors?
Actually no
It is important to note here that Profs. Kates and Mauser are not pro-gun zealots. In fact, they go out of their way to stress that their study neither proves that gun control causes higher murder rates nor that increased gun ownership necessarily leads to lower murder rates. (Though, in my view, Prof. John Lott's More Guns, Less Crime does indeed prove the latter.) But what is clear, and what they do say, is that gun control is ineffectual at preventing murder, and apparently counterproductive.
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The irony about the UK is
Comparing
crime rates
between America
and Britain is
flawed. In
America, a gun
crime is recorded
as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final disposition (a
conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly
undercounting the amount of gun crime there.
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Do have a link to the source of that info as sounds pretty dubious.
So if someone goes into a bank shoots the place up but never gets caught then it is not recorded as a gun crime here?...doesn't sound likely.
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Do have a link to the source of that info as sounds pretty dubious.
So if someone goes into a bank shoots the place up but never gets caught then it is not recorded as a gun crime here?...doesn't sound likely.
Here is the original source
Gallant, Hills, Kopel, “Fear in Britain”, Independence Institute, July 18, 2000
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Actually no
It is important to note here that Profs. Kates and Mauser are not pro-gun zealots. In fact, they go out of their way to stress that their study neither proves that gun control causes higher murder rates nor that increased gun ownership necessarily leads to lower murder rates. (Though, in my view, Prof. John Lott's More Guns, Less Crime does indeed prove the latter.) But what is clear, and what they do say, is that gun control is ineffectual at preventing murder, and apparently counterproductive.
What would you say is professor Kates and professor Mauser's position on gun control? Nothing in my earlier response suggested they were "pro-gun zealots". To call someone a zealot would be an opinion. I was merely stating facts about these two authors.
Last night my wife and I had dinner with good friends. The wife is politically to the far right on almost every topic. The evening's discussion eventually was about the recent shootings and gun control. I was surprised that she was for a ban on automatic and semi-automatic weapons. However we all agreed that people should have the right to own non automatic hand guns and rifles. I bring this up because there are different aspects to gun control. It is misleading to speak of it only in a general sense; as if to suggest it is an all or nothing issue.
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Well, where have you lived, traveled, studied, worked?
I enjoy hockey and hockey fighting (watching or doing it), I'm sure as hell not going to apologize to a bedwetter like you for that. A respectful tussle now and then sets the world straight.
So other than being the punch line for Getbig jokes, go ahead, tell us what you've done to garner all this wordly experience.
I still think the dogs should have finished you off.
Well. he did fight off two pit bulls. That trumps being in a hockey fight in my book ;D
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What would you say is professor Kates and professor Mauser's position on gun control? Nothing in my earlier response suggested they were "pro-gun zealots". To call someone a zealot would be an opinion. I was merely stating facts about these two authors.
Last night my wife and I had dinner with good friends. The wife is politically to the far right on almost every topic. The evening's discussion eventually was about the recent shootings and gun control. I was surprised that she was for a ban on automatic and semi-automatic weapons. However we all agreed that people should have the right to own non automatic hand guns and rifles. I bring this up because there are different aspects to gun control. It is misleading to speak of it only in a general sense; as if to suggest it is an all or nothing issue.
What would you say is professor Kates and professor Mauser's position on gun control? Nothing in my earlier response suggested they were "pro-gun zealots". To call someone a zealot would be an opinion. I was merely stating facts about these two authors.
I would say they are pro second amendment however the numbers speak for themselves and can be backed up by other sources.
CDC, Task Force on Community Preventive Services, “First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of
Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws”, Oct 3, 2003 – a systematic review of 51 studies that
evaluated the effects of selected firearms laws on violence -The U.S. government “found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness
of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes.”
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That's the CDC too boot
Last night my wife and I had dinner with good friends. The wife is politically to the far right on almost every topic. The evening's discussion eventually was about the recent shootings and gun control. I was surprised that she was for a ban on automatic and semi-automatic weapons. However we all agreed that people should have the right to own non automatic hand guns and rifles. I bring this up because there are different aspects to gun control. It is misleading to speak of it only in a general sense; as if to suggest it is an all or nothing issue.
Automatics are for all intents & purposes ' illegal ' you can buy them albeit they are cost prohibitive for anyone except the wealthy you also need a $200 ATF tax stamp and their permission to go to your home and make sure it's there and as is, along with a class 3 license . And the guns all use at Sandy Hook were semi-automatic. And a total ban on all semiautomatics wouldn't have prevented this nothing will because of the sheer randomness of these types of attacks
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Here is the original source
Gallant, Hills, Kopel, “Fear in Britain”, Independence Institute, July 18, 2000
I've got to call BS on that TBH. I'm quite certain that our figs for all crime go on "recorded crimes" nothing to do with whether convictions follow.
One thing that is not disputable and very easy to cross reference is that we have around 35 gun homicides per year and you have something like 10,000 although your population is only 6 times greater.
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here's a quick summary of how crimes are recorded in UK
"Recording a crime: the police decide to record the report of a crime and now need to determine how many crimes to record and what their offence types are. The Home Office issues rules to police forces on the counting and classification of crime. These Counting Rules for Recorded Crime are mostly straightforward, as most crimes are counted as ‘one crime per victim’ and the offence committed is obvious (e.g. a domestic burglary). However, they also cover special situations where more than one offence has taken place, maybe on several occasions over a period of time, or there is more than one offender or victim."
No convictions mentioned
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I've got to call BS on that TBH. I'm quite certain that our figs for all crime go on "recorded crimes" nothing to do with whether convictions follow.
One thing that is not disputable and very easy to cross reference is that we have around 35 gun homicides per year and you have something like 10,000 although your population is only 6 times greater.
Only 6 times greater? that's a huge difference and your violent crime right is higher than ours per 100,000 , we're not even on this list's top 10
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Only 6 times greater? that's a huge difference and your violent crime right is higher than ours per 100,000 , we're not even on this list's top 10
I've already explained why violent crime figs country to country are deemed pretty useless for comparison.
"The comparison of violent crime statistics between countries is usually problematic, due to the way different countries classify crime.[2] Valid comparisons require that similar offences between jurisdictions be compared. Often this is not possible because crime statistics aggregate equivalent offences in such different ways that make it difficult or impossible to obtain a valid comparison."
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I would say they are pro second amendment however the numbers speak for themselves and can be backed up by other sources.
CDC, Task Force on Community Preventive Services, “First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of
Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws”, Oct 3, 2003 – a systematic review of 51 studies that
evaluated the effects of selected firearms laws on violence -The U.S. government “found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness
of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes.”
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That's the CDC too boot
Automatics are for all intents & purposes ' illegal ' you can buy them albeit they are cost prohibitive for anyone except the wealthy you also need a $200 ATF tax stamp and their permission to go to your home and make sure it's there and as is, along with a class 3 license . And the guns all use at Sandy Hook were semi-automatic. And a total ban on all semiautomatics wouldn't have prevented this nothing will because of the sheer randomness of these types of attacks
As our friends, my wife and I discussed last night, the focus should not be on gun control because that is not the problem when it comes to horrific events like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary School. What we should be discussing is how to repair our broken mental health care system. The young man who shot all those people was mentally ill....we should not ignore this. Apparently, his mother was trying to get him help, including setting up the possibility of having him institutionalized if necessary. Getting help for a mentally ill adult is nearly impossible under current laws. The patient has to agree to treatment or commitment. More often than not, they are off their meds and feel as if there is nothing wrong with them, so they refuse treatment. It isn't until they go off the deep end and commit a crime that the law steps in. By then, it is often too late, as it was for all those innocent victims and the shooter at Sandy Hook.
A former acquaintance of ours had an adult son who suffered from paranoid schizophrenia. Her son was living at home. He was off his meds and as his condition worsened she was attempting to get him into an in treatment facility for some time without any success. He certainly had no intention of committing himself. One evening the mother was sitting at the kitchen table. Her son went into the other room and then returned with a rifle and shot her in the back of the head. He's institutionalized now and his mother is dead. This is a result which might have been avoided if it had been possible for the mother to get her son the help he needed in time.
As with the Sandy Hook massacre, the gun didn't shoot itself. If there were no such thing as a gun, the mother in the situation above could have been stabbed or beat to death by her son. Clearly, the main problem wasn't the gun. Likewise the main concern with what happened at Sandy Hook should be how to attempt to prevent such things happening in the future. However in this case, a semi-automatic weapon facilitated the shooters success at taking out 20 children and 7 adults. Without that semi-automatic weapon the carnage would have been almost nil by comparison. Still, we should not forget that the young man who committed this horrendous act had severe mental issues. It is possible that had his mother been successful at getting him the help he needed, those 27 people would still be alive today.
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As our friends, my wife and I discussed last night, the focus should not be on gun control because that is not the problem when it comes to horrific events like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary School. What we should be discussing is how to repair our broken mental health care system. The young man who shot all those people was mentally ill....we should not ignore this. Apparently, his mother was trying to get him help, including setting up the possibility of having him institutionalized if necessary. Getting help for a mentally ill adult is nearly impossible under current laws. The patient has to agree to treatment or commitment. More often than not, they are off their meds and feel as if there is nothing wrong with them, so they refuse treatment. It isn't until they go off the deep end and commit a crime that the law steps in. By then, it is often too late, as it was for all those innocent victims and the shooter at Sandy Hook.
A former acquaintance of ours had an adult son who suffered from paranoid schizophrenia. Her son was living at home. He was off his meds and as his condition worsened she was attempting to get him into an in treatment facility for some time without any success. He certainly had no intention of committing himself. One evening the mother was sitting at the kitchen table. Her son went into the other room and then returned with a rifle and shot her in the back of the head. He's institutionalized now and his mother is dead. This is a result which might have been avoided if it had been possible for the mother to get her son the help he needed in time.
As with the Sandy Hook massacre, the gun didn't shoot itself. If there were no such thing as a gun, the mother in the situation above could have been stabbed or beat to death by her son. Clearly, the main problem wasn't the gun. Likewise the main concern with what happened at Sandy Hook should be how to attempt to prevent such things happening in the future. However in this case, a semi-automatic weapon facilitated the shooters success at taking out 20 children and 7 adults. Without that semi-automatic weapon the carnage would have been almost nil by comparison. Still, we should not forget that the young man who committed this horrendous act had severe mental issues. It is possible that had his mother been successful at getting him the help he needed, those 27 people would still be alive today.
Just for the sake of argument, your friend might still be alive if there wasn't a gun in the house. I know what you are going to say, if he didn't have a rifle he would have used a knife or a baseball bat or something else, but a gun makes all so much easier, with those other thing you have to get up close and personal and you might actually survive. Anyways why would you have a gun around if you have someone with mental problems living with you?
Again with the Sandy Hook, you state the problem wasn't the gun, he would have killed his mom with soemething else. While that may be true he wouldn't have been able to do the carnage he did with a knife or bat at the school. I mean have you seen this guy? 120lbs soaking wet, the guns gave him the courage he never would have had if he had to get physical with someone.
On a brighter note, the Christmas spirit is allive and well. Pics taken on Saturday.
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Just for the sake of argument, your friend might still be alive if there wasn't a gun in the house. I know what you are going to say, if he didn't have a rifle he would have used a knife or a baseball bat or something else, but a gun makes all so much easier, with those other thing you have to get up close and personal and you might actually survive. Anyways why would you have a gun around if you have someone with mental problems living with you?
Again with the Sandy Hook, you state the problem wasn't the gun, he would have killed his mom with soemething else. While that may be true he wouldn't have been able to do the carnage he did with a knife or bat at the school. I mean have you seen this guy? 120lbs soaking wet, the guns gave him the courage he never would have had if he had to get physical with someone.
On a brighter note, the Christmas spirit is allive and well. Pics taken on Saturday.
You might want to reread what I posted. I covered the fact that minus a semi-automatic weapon, the carnage would not have happened. My reference to killing his mom, was about my acquaintance and not the Sandy Hook situation.
Guns are a problem, they are not "the" problem though. Guns cannot shoot themselves.
I think you've completely missed my point. That point was that we are missing the boat in how we deal with mental illness today in the U.S.
For your information, I do not nor do I intend to own a gun of any type. I have no need for this. I am in favor of laws which would ban the ownership of semi-automatic and automatic weapons. I am not in favor of banning all guns.
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Merry Christmas mofos ,we need more guns .
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You might want to reread what I posted. I covered the fact that minus a semi-automatic weapon, the carnage would not have happened. My reference to killing his mom, was about my acquaintance and not the Sandy Hook situation.
Guns are a problem, they are not "the" problem though. Guns cannot shoot themselves.
I think you've completely missed my point. That point was that we are missing the boat in how we deal with mental illness today in the U.S.
For your information, I do not nor do I intend to own a gun of any type. I have no need for this. I am in favor of laws which would ban the ownership of semi-automatic and automatic weapons. I am not in favor of banning all guns.
Point taken, however don't assume that everyone that goes full retard with a gun is mentally ill. Some people are just rotten to the core and are perfectly sane. Most serial killers can walk among us and blend in perfectly and are highly intelligent.
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Merry Christmas mofos ,we need more guns .
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You let your kids open their presents early?
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http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-73809077/
Two and threes year old kids dead from a fire. Mom and aunt left them alone to go to separate parties.
Shit like this happens every day in Chicago.
Where is Obama and Piers Dicksucker Morgan to protect these fucking kids?
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http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-73809077/
Two and threes year old kids dead from a fire. Mom and aunt left them alone to go to separate parties.
Shit like this happens every day in Chicago.
Where is Obama and Piers Dicksucker Morgan to protect these fucking kids?
Protecting all kids from their idiot relatives is a huge job....
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Protecting all kids from their idiot relatives is a huge job....
Dianne Feinstein should pass legislation banning idiot relatives (and "dangerous" Aussie attack pit poodles bulls).
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Dianne Feinstein should pass legislation banning idiot relatives (and "dangerous" Aussie attack pit poodles bulls).
My I cannot stand that mouthy c*nt.
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My I cannot stand that mouthy c*nt.
Feinstein or E-Kunt?
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Dead by 4th grade. This ain't learning and using guns, this is playing with guns and when kids play with guns someone always gets shot in the head with a strangely unloaded gun.
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America is number one is prisons and the number of inmates are growing.
More gun violence or crimes in general the ore private corps in charge of creating these holding tanks benefit.
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America is number one is prisons and the number of inmates are growing.
More gun violence or crimes in general the ore private corps in charge of creating these holding tanks benefit.
Another foreigner talking about America..... ::)
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Another foreigner talking about America..... ::)
Well this aint poland we're talkin about on this thread.
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Take a look at this:
http://warriortimes.com/2011/04/24/what-happens-when-governments-disarm-their-citizens/
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1640.htm
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm
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America is number one is prisons and the number of inmates are growing.
More gun violence or crimes in general the ore private corps in charge of creating these holding tanks benefit.
America sells prison stock on the stock exchange. They see prison's as "companies"...Of course they are always going to be number one and growing. It's business.
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Terrible lack of gun training in some Picts posted by Che especially the last one looks like they have terrorist parents. Just awful
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America sells prison stock on the stock exchange. They see prison's as "companies"...Of course they are always going to be number one and growing. It's business.
Really? And I thought our prisons were a losing proposition.