yes that's true, i come from 180 from 300 in 5 years drug free, just with the 5 big and gallon of milk and ton of food, of course i was fat, but 51 arm, 82 cm legs and 141 chest but 115 waist...but for a natural that was huge at 22 years old.
so it's possible to be huge natural, you won't look like a bbuilder but like a powerlifter or a strongman.
out of breath and bp).
yip yip i know that feeling.
LOL! How far back did you say you went with DC? He was recommending high protein long before his board and long before starting TP.
Aren't you the guy who got his feelings hurt because you felt DC dissed you? If so, didn't he actually apologize and made it clear that he never intentionally will disrespect you or anyone until they start to deserve it. I've been following him since I first read his original Cycle For Pennies piece on Animal's board and he's always conducted himself with class and dignity.
Come on already, FP. I'm not trying to start a beef with you but seriously?
yes i was a guy he insulted a long time ago - on gayhem to be exact. i asked a perfectly reasonable genuine question and got attacked by dc and his legions of ass lickers ( a bit like on here the past few days). The difference from then and now is i am much more educated in bb now, i have studied everything i can from a variety of sources and can hold my own in most conversations. Even if i don't know something i have the ability to know how and where to fond out. This does not make me better than anyone, but it helps me see through a lot of bullshit i read and see on here i.e. synthol in his shoulders, the guy on the beach being on gear, countless gear users claiming natural when they are not etc.
However my issues with dc are not a grudge i have over being attacked one time many years ago. i get attacked on here everyday, its part of getbig and the internet boards as a whole.
i have also followed dc for a long time also, the cyce thread was interesting and well written. at that time i was a big fan of jones/mentzers/yates work and realised he was copying his ideas.
he isn't the first to do that, then i noticed he was using stretches - copied from parillo
as well as massive food intakes especialy protein - parillo again.
and i started to think hmmm fair enough he's only stating what works for him and giving free advice so all good so far.
then he started claiming dc is totally different to mentzers work - which is a lie, as mentzers books have everything in dc except the stretches and extreme food (stolen from parillo)
also he claims dc is not for newbies who have any less than years of training under their belt.
again attracting newbies to it because it must be some sort of supersystem.
then he announces he is starting a protein company, so basically he has first created a demand, then created the supply for that demand.
then he goes private, i.e. intense muscle, banning anyone who does not agree with him or challenges his ideas, methods etc - making dc some sort of supersecret system this time and attracting more newbies
basically it was a masterstroke in marketing, and a sign of how to steal others ideas, remarket them and capatilize on it.
i'm not even mentioning the amount of gear he takes to build that body, not to mention synthol. yet he still has no bi's or tris.
i simply don't rate dc training, anyone who knows training knows that a natural will overtrain very quickly on this. a teen newbie may last longer before overtraining sets in.
all that protein is also a waste unless on the massive quantities of gear he recommends.