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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: flinstones1 on November 15, 2010, 10:32:49 PM
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Lowered test dosage from 750mg down to 200mg cause I was getting acne. Thought I would just "maintain" until I got back on lmao. Look like fucking garbage in 13 days. Flat, shoulders lost thickness, strength down, chest dont pop. Im mad cause I actually looked really good imo for a change. Is it possible for my body to be loosing muscle this fast :-\?
SEriously, people are asking me if I got food poisoning.
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that doesnt sound right........first of all if your were using a long ester........your blood levels shouldnt have dropped that much
and regardless, dropping from 750 to 200 mgs to total AAS weekly shouldnt have that dramatic of an effect that soon
a lot of this type of shit is mental........people lower the does, and lose motivation........they dont eat as good, miss days in the gym
and sometimes its like a mental disorder, people go off, or lower does..........and the next day they look in the mirror and see an HIV patient..........(even though in reality , you havent really changed)
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what ester? what's changed in your life? in regards to diet, training, ect...honestly most people here are very self conscious regardless of how big they are...One negative comment from a friend(askin about food poisoning cuz weight loss) makes you look at yourself in a different light, also droppin the dose sucks all of which can contribute to the mirror playin tricks, happens sometimes....just keep strict dieting and training methods you'l be fine
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whats up with all those "cruising" threads and questions the last year and a half? is this the new trend nowadays? ::)
are you guys competing or struggling for a pro card? oh yea forgot.. "i want to look good and feel good" lol. give me a break...
Anyway, back to the thread, you shouldnt lose that much man....you might have lost some water weight and bloat thats it, but not muscle. are you still strong in your workouts and poundages?
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let me clarify I meant that I started looing like shit in 13 days. It's been just three weeks now, and I started getting food poisonin comments four days ago. It hs nothing t do with diet I just know that I have lost size. I never really built a natural base and was 162 when I strted drugs as a late teen. I am 18 now. here is some of my lifts today. Close grip bench press down from 305 pounds down to 205 for 5. (missed the 6th rep) around a month ago I could do 10 reps with 245. Barely curlng 55 pound dumbells for a couple reps, despite eating like 4000 cals yesterday. Last shot of test was 250mg omnadren 8 days ago. I would like to keep this from happening next time, maybe I will try 1 gram of equipoise orsomting exotic when I done with next cycle. Everyone knows I am taking shit becaue of how fast I blow up and shrink and nobody likes thse douchebgs because you know they are all drugs.
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let me clarify I meant that I started looing like shit in 13 days. It's been just three weeks now, and I started getting food poisonin comments four days ago. It hs nothing t do with diet I just know that I have lost size. I never really built a natural base and was 162 when I strted drugs as a late teen. I am 18 now. here is some of my lifts today. Close grip bench press down from 305 pounds down to 205 for 5. (missed the 6th rep) around a month ago I could do 10 reps with 245. Barely curlng 55 pound dumbells for a couple reps, despite eating like 4000 cals yesterday. Last shot of test was 250mg omnadren 8 days ago. I would like to keep this from happening next time, maybe I will try 1 gram of equipoise orsomting exotic when I done with next cycle. Everyone knows I am taking shit becaue of how fast I blow up and shrink and nobody likes thse douchebgs because you know they are all drugs.
wow man thats a lots of strength loss...maybe test is fake or something? you shouldnt really lose that much
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are these real poundages or get big poundages?.... 300lb close grips at 18yr old is quite a feat...
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Local at 18 I was putting some pretty good weight...but this sounds kind of fishy...that much loss of strength in 13 days? I maintain my strength for a month after my last shot of test..mayb even a month and a half and I'm not talkin about cruising....if your cruisin it shouldn't be that drastic of a strength decrease unless your diet is garbage...do you sleep enough?
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Something is way off in this thread...way, way off. What I'm saying is there are missing pieces of the puzzle and there are things that just don't add up. Like everyone is saying, you don't experience strength drops that fast just from lowering your dose...like others said, you should be able to come off completely and still not have that dramatic of a strength loss.
OK, so lets examine some things:
Have you been drinking alcohol or more alcohol than normal?
When you say 4k per day, are you actually measuring this food out or are you just guessing?
Before you started your cruise, what else were you taking?
Were you taking any orals before you started your cruise?
Has your OTC supplement regiment changed any...assuming you have one?
How's your rest, your stress, etc? (Yes, that makes a difference)
Ho have you felt, do you feel sick, lethargic, tired, headaches, etc?
Somewhere in the list above is the problem
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It should take weeks before you see or feel any type of loss from the esters wearing off.
I think you are sick, like an illness.
I have personally dropped from 1500mg of test down to 250mg EW and i did not feel a single difference in the gym until 5 weeks after i dropped the dosage.
Good luck, maybe you just had a bad day.
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I'd say the problem is mainly in your head, no offence
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monthly post youre the lucky fella,,
the only 3times you get off hormones is WHEN YOU ARE QUITING BODYBUILDING AND DONT CARE ANYMORE OR WHEN VERY SICK OR WHEN DEAD,,
first of all 16 and 18 too young to be on hormones unless try to compete,, second its important to understand that the trick in bodybuilding and trust me this is the only trick in the book is the combinatiopn of growth hormone with aas,,
you go on gh when off aas,, you go on aas when off gh,,you combine both when ever you can afford and if bodybuilding is your life you can afford it
growth hormone is what deveop new muscle cell,,without growth hormone there are no 230 at singles at 5'9,,never was never will be
aas is what develop the new muscle fiber cells gh gave you ,,so with no aas there is no 230 at singles at 5'9,,never was never will be
the use of both gh and aas is absolut must for quality cut lean large and tight 220+ single digit quality look on height under 5'10,,
thhe magic in bodybuilding can ONLY happen when on test,,tren,,eq,,and gh you may say you can use deca,,no its nto the same,,you may say you can use primobolan no its nto the same,,
you have in bodybuilding what we call the nasty lean mean beast and freak depending on genetic response potential ,,
you will not be able to achieve those looks if you have no trenbolone in blood no gh in blood no test in blood and no eq in blood those are the 4 musts in bodybuilding foillowed closly by masteron which can be substitute but still part of the equation for finished impressive physiqe
the addition of gh can solve the shockin time when you are off aas,, yes you lose size but you continue to create muscle fibers,,and when there is moe muscle fibers mutation can occure later on ,,thats what we lie to you and call muscle memory ,,muscle memory is basically the mutation you create as a rsult of gh use when you prime your muscles before aas use or during depending on how rich you are and how much money you can play with,,if you are a serious bodybuilder or intend to be there is never off time completely never ever,,aas ,,gh either one or both are always in system
gh15 approved
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gh15...would be cool if you could make a long post about training in general. i have read alot of your old posts and i like your training ideas..: keep the sessions short 45-60min and intense. your arm training advice where you said do 3 exercises x 2 sets for biceps and triceps helped me alot. before that i used to do alot of sets but my arms grew even more when i kept everything simple and focused.
how would recommend a natural to train who wants to train the muscle groups every 5th day or so? what kind of split?
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gh15...would be cool if you could make a long post about training in general. i have read alot of your old posts and i like your training ideas..: keep the sessions short 45-60min and intense. your arm training advice where you said do 3 exercises x 2 sets for biceps and triceps helped me alot. before that i used to do alot of sets but my arms grew even more when i kept everything simple and focused.
how would recommend a natural to train who wants to train the muscle groups every 5th day or so? what kind of split?
very hard to recomend the true natural a training method because gh15 doesnt believe in training natural and think its waste of time when it comes to building muscle,, you can go to the natural board where they are not natural but they are small doses fellas that can help,,
gh15 is in the believe that bodybuilding is ALL DRUGS ,,and thus should be tresated as all drugs,,and thus the first thing that matters is what drugs you got in your arsenal and then you go by feeling,,you always train by feeling,,the hormonized bodybuilder does not have to squat to have big lean legs,,it doesnt have to work with dumbells when work arms to have the arms getting stronger,,he can work with hammer machine,,
the natural bodybuilder the few that are true naturals ,,they need specific routines that they can not deviate from ,,they can not be having fun ,,they can not have a girlfriend,,they can not quit eating for a day like hormonized,,they need food in all the time,,they can not eat dirty and grow lean muscle,,they can not basically have life as naturals and thats why they always look the same because no one unless hormonized can stick to this horrible life style which is not sustainable naturally,,everyone realize it after 2-3 years
gh15 approved
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very hard to recomend the true natural a training method because gh15 doesnt believe in training natural and think its waste of time when it comes to building muscle,, you can go to the natural board where they are not natural but they are small doses fellas that can help,,
gh15 is in the believe that bodybuilding is ALL DRUGS ,,and thus should be tresated as all drugs,,and thus the first thing that matters is what drugs you got in your arsenal and then you go by feeling,,you always train by feeling,,the hormonized bodybuilder does not have to squat to have big lean legs,,it doesnt have to work with dumbells when work arms to have the arms getting stronger,,he can work with hammer machine,,
the natural bodybuilder the few that are true naturals ,,they need specific routines that they can not deviate from ,,they can not be having fun ,,they can not have a girlfriend,,they can not quit eating for a day like hormonized,,they need food in all the time,,they can not eat dirty and grow lean muscle,,they can not basically have life as naturals and thats why they always look the same because no one unless hormonized can stick to this horrible life style which is not sustainable naturally,,everyone realize it after 2-3 years
gh15 approved
very true, i have some friends who are completely natural (i am also completely natural) and they have no life. me i just like to lift but i'm not obsessed 24/7 as some people i know.
i always been curious about trying a simple test cycle..but im a pussy. drugs scare me alot. i lift 3 days per week know and eat 3 times per day this keeps me lean...and the lifting is good from a mental aspect but you are correct basically nothing ius happening with my physique in terms of muscle mass.
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your post is very liberating..i have more and more realized how lifting 5-6 days per week is a waste of time for a natural...lifting 3 times per week and eating 3 times per should be enough and gives you time to do other things in life than eat and train.
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are these real poundages or get big poundages?.... 300lb close grips at 18yr old is quite a feat...
Tbombz been helping me out with my training. :) I said 275 not 300 though.
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Its just water weight bro. Plus like you said you didn't have a solid base. My first cycle I blew up 30 pounds. As soon as I come off I lost all of the water weight. I looked really ripped for awhile and then I crashed. It's pretty common for this to happen to begginers. Now after I come off I loose only a couple of pounds and get al little bit softer. It takes a long time to be able to hold all of that muscle. Don't freak out and don't listen to what other people say. Maybe look into some good otc products. At your age you don't want to be blasting and cruising. You will regret ruining your natural testerone that young. Do yourself a favor stick to two 14-16 cycles twice a year for a couple of years. Let yourself recover inbetween. When you get to be older and you really think you may have the ability to go pro then you can stay on all you want.
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At 18 who the hell has the money to run Gh anyways. Save your money get some test and dbol and maybe some eq. Like I said run two cycles a year. You will be doing yourself a big favor.
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If you constantly cruise and dont come off your natural test production might never come back where it should be when you finally do come off. Thats what I have heard and read everywhere anyway. I would not cruise unless you are pro in something (bb, pl, sports etc). jmo
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Lowered test dosage from 750mg down to 200mg cause I was getting acne. Thought I would just "maintain" until I got back on lmao. Look like fucking garbage in 13 days. Flat, shoulders lost thickness, strength down, chest dont pop. Im mad cause I actually looked really good imo for a change. Is it possible for my body to be loosing muscle this fast :-\?
SEriously, people are asking me if I got food poisoning.
dammn flinstones, you got the God of Hormones to answer your question in your thread!
but bro, i think its in your head..i know when I miss a shot, i automatically feel flat, small and weak. Like if i miss a shot and go to the gym that day, I think weak and push pussy weights and my bench will go down like 30 pounds. The next day, i take my shot and im stronger...but its obviously just in my head.
And flistones as far as crusing, follow this rule its golden: time on=time off ::) LOL!
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dammn flinstones, you got the God of Hormones to answer your question in your thread!
but bro, i think its in your head..i know when I miss a shot, i automatically feel flat, small and weak. Like if i miss a shot and go to the gym that day, I think weak and push pussy weights and my bench will go down like 30 pounds. The next day, i take my shot and im stronger...but its obviously just in my head.
lol.......its like having earnest hemmingway help you with your freshman creative writing class ;D ;D
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dammn flinstones, you got the God of Hormones to answer your question in your thread!
but bro, i think its in your head..i know when I miss a shot, i automatically feel flat, small and weak. Like if i miss a shot and go to the gym that day, I think weak and push pussy weights and my bench will go down like 30 pounds. The next day, i take my shot and im stronger...but its obviously just in my head.
And flistones as far as crusing, follow this rule its golden: time on=time off ::) LOL!
lol yeah that was cool. BTW any takers for what gh15's new drug of the week will be? ;D It went from dbol for like a year straight, to the importance of testosterone, then to the magic of trenbalone, then to equipoise, now to the amazing growth hormone!
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lol yeah that was cool. BTW any takers for what gh15's new drug of the week will be? ;D It went from dbol for like a year straight, to the importance of testosterone, then to the magic of trenbalone, then to equipoise, now to the amazing growth hormone!
LOLOL dont forget deca for bulking! he used to push it all the time, but now forget it its bullshit no serious bbers use it.
''for bulking i always recomend nandrolone in all its varieties,,the longest the easter the better but! then again you must remember wether you are npc or a natural organisation. that will determine your use and timing.
i should start charging you for this info''
''1) only human grade pharma drugs should be used. no! eq is NOT nandrolone decanoate. deca made for humans,,,eq made for horses. humans are not horses. eq will never! get you the muscle nandrolone puts on you and is made in condition not suited for humans. get legit human grade pharma drugs if you ever wanna get big. muscle big. eq is good when you already have the size and muscle on you and you try to improve your performence and over all condition. when aiming at adding/building mass on your frame there is no replacment for legit pharma human grade deca test and dianabol.''
and this is one of my personal favorite :p
''1/2 pepti eggwhite small carton + 1 scoop good isolate + 1.5 cups powedered oats (grinded) + some water + digestive enzymes (digest all comes to mind) = 500-600 calories + 1 table spoon fish oil or olive oil = 700 solid calories * 3-4 times a day + 2-4 solid meals a day = 5000 calories a day + pharma human grade dbol, test , deca + some quality time in the gym = lots of fake smiles,,staring and "feeling" from american females and/or whores at your proximity
GH15 APPROVED''
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''1/2 pepti eggwhite small carton + 1 scoop good isolate + 1.5 cups powedered oats (grinded) + some water + digestive enzymes (digest all comes to mind) = 500-600 calories + 1 table spoon fish oil or olive oil = 700 solid calories * 3-4 times a day + 2-4 solid meals a day = 5000 calories a day + pharma human grade dbol, test , deca + some quality time in the gym = lots of fake smiles,,staring and "feeling" from american females and/or whores at your proximity
I can see all that food being beneficial on AAS + GH + slin..but on just moderate AAS (like most of us here), that seems like way over kill.
I know i was trying to eat like that on just moderate AAS and i didnt grow any better, i was just getting fatter and fatter extremely fast.
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I can see all that food being beneficial on AAS + GH + slin..but on just moderate AAS (like most of us here), that seems like way over kill.
I know i was trying to eat like that on just moderate AAS and i didnt grow any better, i was just getting fatter and fatter extremely fast.
when I was natural I ate 5k cals ed for 2 weeks while on creatine, put on like 15 pounds,of shit, but got stronger. it was crazy how fuck ugly and soft my body was after just 2 weeks, then I was like wtf and did a zero carbs low calories keto diet and lost this shit weight in not even 2 weeks... also it was 5k clean calories with coffee grinder oatmeal shakes, I was feeling like shit all day eating like that, bloated stomach and feeling like I was about to puke most of the time
for me on aas= around 4k calories and off=around 3k.
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I can see all that food being beneficial on AAS + GH + slin..but on just moderate AAS (like most of us here), that seems like way over kill.
I know i was trying to eat like that on just moderate AAS and i didnt grow any better, i was just getting fatter and fatter extremely fast.
i also think you need to factor in bodyweight and how many calories you need to maintain your BW. there is a difference between a 300lbs bodybuilder and a 215lbs bodybuilder.
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the body only needs a few extra hundred calories to build muscle. No need for 5K just cause being on steroids....
. waste of money you could be saving for gh :D
3500 is fine
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the body only needs a few extra hundred calories to build muscle. No need for 5K just cause being on steroids....
. waste of money you could be saving for gh :D
3500 is fine
Really? Then why are the big boyz eating upwards near 6k - 8k? Just for fun ya think.
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Really? Then why are the big boyz eating upwards near 6k - 8k? Just for fun ya think.
rarly do gh15 post second time in steroid board but this is for EVERYONE TO SEE LOUD AND CLEAR,,
the big boys eating 6 k for simple reason,, GROWTH HORMONE,, when on growth hormone diet does not matter as long as macros are in ,,you can sit and eat 2000 calories in a meal wont change a thing,,and gh work even at 4 units so you can eat those calories,,now just take it up to 20 iu a day and imagine what happen,,,actually you dont have to imagine,,, look at the whole ifbb and you see it ,,the 4-6 units with out consistant roin use give you michael phelps which can eat 8 k a day ,,and with roid use give you cena the retard,,but! when you take the gh and put it at 15 unit or more a day ,,DIET STOP MATERTING,,only if try to get down to 4% it will other than that it wont,,for 7-8 % at 260 for 5;11 fella you can eat whatever you want on the high doses of gh ,,
ANY ONE WHO EAT 6 K ON STEROIDS ONLY WILL GET FAT BLOOFY AND POOFY,,AND THSI IS SOMETHING YOU FELLAS NEED TO UNDERSTAND,,NO ONE WILL TELL YOU THIS ON PROFESIONAL MUSCLE ON OUTLAW ON VIP OR ANYOTHER BOARDS,,NO ONE CARE FOR YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH,,AND THE LESS PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT THE MORE THE FUCKTARD WANNA BE BODYBUILDER LIKE TROPOPIN AND THE SUCH REMAIN UNIQE ,,TAKE A LOOK AT THAT KOOKLO KID KID IS A TINY TITTIE BUT! LOOK WHAT HAPPEN WHEN WENT ON HGH AT HIGH DOSE,,SUDENLY THIS FELLA SHOW BLWO UP FROM WITHIN NEW FIBER SIZE,,SUDENLY HE LOOK LIKE TWIN OF SPANISH MARCUS,,I WONDER WHY? YOU AS MODERATORS NEED TO BE THE LEADER AND PUT IT LOUD AND CLEAR WHY SO EVERY ONE CAN SEE AS LONG AS THE DAY IS LONG SO EVERYONE CAN SEE THE LIES BEHIND THIS FELLA NAMED DANTA AND MOST OF THE INDUSTRY SUPPLEMENT PUSHERS,,YOU ARE BEEN PLAYED WITH LIKE YOU ARE BUNCH OF FUCKTARD AND THE REASON HERE BECAUSE ON STEROI BOARD NO ONE SAY THE TRUTH OF WHATS GOING ON ,,THE TRUTH IS GH IS RESPONSIBLE TO BODYBUILDING SIZE ,,STEROID IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BODYBUILDING BLOWING UP THAT SIZE,, THE E N D
thats the all idea ,,thats what everyone try to hide ,,and that why gh15 was created,,crushing the truth in your face wether like it or not,,
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Really? Then why are the big boyz eating upwards near 6k - 8k? Just for fun ya think.
well its like tbombz said to my post on frank mcgrath eating 5000 cals precontest.. Dont think that what someone else is doing is the right way just because they are big. When you look at how muscles grows, eating so much food is not necessary. Many people on here myself included have tried jacking cals way up and grew the same just got fatter
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I think its the right way because all these pros I see walking around are eating enormous amounts of food..the difference between you and them is they know how to eat and train the right way and take steroids the right way..your new to this.. You got fat because you probably had a shitty diet and routine....also what's wrong with gettin a little fat from bulking up? Your not trying to cut up
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it depends on the individual. there are certain guys out there who just seem to be impervious to both fat and muscle gain. these guys usually have a very hard time adding weight unless they eat a very large amount of food. but these guys are rare, and most people do not need to stuff themselves silly.. most people would just add fat, and not grow any faster because of it.
for the average guy, a couple hundred calories above basal metabolic rate(somewhere around 17-20cals per lb lean bodyweight is usually maintanence) combined with 1 gram protein per lb lean body weight is all you need to grow optimally. could you grow a tiny bit faster if you ate more and put on fat? yes, maybe a small amount more, but its never worth the amount of fat youll put on.
as gh15 pointed out, GH allows one to eat like crazy, and in that scenario it would make sense to pound the food as much as possible.
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My food intake always changed with my activity level.
The more frequently I exercise, the more food my body demands. I have always eaten based off need, i do not believe in force feeding, i only eat when i am hungry for a meal.
I have eaten up to 5k calories a day for months at a time and really only gained fat. There seems to be a sweet spot for myself around 3k calories a day where I make good gains without any fat gain. I still believe eating a surplus of calories has its benefits for raw strength(from the sheer size gain alone), but when it comes to building muscle i think the majority of lifters are eating way too much and getting fat.
Even when i was on GH I noticed a small increase in hunger, but i never went over 4iu's a day.
I have also never used insulin and the guys i know who do use it believe in eating very large amounts of food. I know a few bodybuilders who swear by eating upwards of 6k "clean" calories a day, and that is a shitload of food.
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A shitload of food and a shitload of money
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eating 6K of 'clean' calories must be very difficult and boring ;D
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eating 6K of 'clean' calories must be very difficult and boring ;D
Boring, yes. Difficult, not as much as people make it out to be. You can pack some serious calories in some shakes, it's not hard to make 1 or even 2k calorie shakes.
My food intake always changed with my activity level.
The more frequently I exercise, the more food my body demands. I have always eaten based off need, i do not believe in force feeding, i only eat when i am hungry for a meal.
I have eaten up to 5k calories a day for months at a time and really only gained fat. There seems to be a sweet spot for myself around 3k calories a day where I make good gains without any fat gain. I still believe eating a surplus of calories has its benefits for raw strength(from the sheer size gain alone), but when it comes to building muscle i think the majority of lifters are eating way too much and getting fat.
Even when i was on GH I noticed a small increase in hunger, but i never went over 4iu's a day.
I have also never used insulin and the guys i know who do use it believe in eating very large amounts of food. I know a few bodybuilders who swear by eating upwards of 6k "clean" calories a day, and that is a shitload of food.
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I agree. I have a "Sweet Spot" myself. Now if running full blown cycle with the works, this seet spot changes a good deal but I guess you'd call that the "on cycle sweet spot." But most guys eat a lot more than they really need, a whole lot more.
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If you constantly cruise and dont come off your natural test production might never come back where it should be when you finally do come off. Thats what I have heard and read everywhere anyway. I would not cruise unless you are pro in something (bb, pl, sports etc). jmo
Then you get a script for TRT and in canada who the hell cares because insurance will pay for that.
It don't matter if you fuck up your natural testosterone=reap the benefits of free pharma grade test for life.