heart health

[willl]

Some simple, logical comments and hints (the student) concerning heart protection


& dave pushing his agenda as usual..

[BB]

Some simple, logical comments and hints (the student) concerning heart protection


& dave pushing his agenda as usual..

Fixed. You need to just put the letter and number sequence after the = sign between the [youtube][ /youtube] brackets. It's tricky, all boards have their own way of doing it.

[willl]

thanks

[oldtimer1]

There has been a lot of early research regarding hormone replacement therapy.  One of the speculation is that steroids thicken the blood. Remember doctors tell a lot of 50 year old guys to take a baby aspirin to thin the blood. Steroids increase blood pressure. Take the two with  bad genetics equals heart problems. Your heart muscle can also thicken from heavy lifting without cardio.

Also talking about getting checked for blocks is important. What can negate the results of that test that somewhat is that plaque can break off and clog.

[willl]

here's the article for heart health and bbers: (Trevor Kouritzin)

https://www.tigerfitness.com/articles/post/cardiovascular-health-for-bodybuilders/


I didn't realize there was a medical device that could asses atherosclerosis (hardened arteries due to plaque buildup), the Meridian Digital Pulsewave Analysis (DPA) machine

I think it'd be very beneficial for those involved with yearly or bi-yearly blood works to have this test performed in addition

[lilhawk1]

There has been a lot of early research regarding hormone replacement therapy.  One of the speculation is that steroids thicken the blood. Remember doctors tell a lot of 50 year old guys to take a baby aspirin to thin the blood. Steroids increase blood pressure. Take the two with  bad genetics equals heart problems. Your heart muscle can also thicken from heavy lifting without cardio.

Also talking about getting checked for blocks is important. What can negate the results of that test that somewhat is that plaque can break off and clog.

Steroids don't automatically increase blood pressure.  Thats a lot of crap spewed by doctors that have no clue about them.  If hemoglobin goes up during use, then all one has to do is go give a pint of blood.  Any HRT doc can test the hemoglobin with a finger stick, then if needed draw off a pint of blood right there.  The heart muscle will hypertrophy in nearly anyone that is athletic, not just heavy lifters.  Also one doesn't just go in to a cardiologist and request an angiogram either.  There are risks associated with an angiogram. Typically a stress test is done first, then if warranted based on the results of the stress test, an angiogram will be done.  Plaque shows up on an angiogram, and if the vessel has enough narrowing, then angioplasty will be done along with possible stent placement.

[SF1900]

Eat a plant-based diet, stay away from all illegal drugs (heroin, crack, meth, coke, etc), don't drink alcohol in excess, don't smoke, maintain a respectable weight level, and do cardio = the best chance for a long life.

Stray away from any of the above, and you obviously increase your chances of a range of physical diseases/disorders.

This is information that cannot be disputed.

So, let it be said.

Thus Spake SF1900

[booty]

Supplement with Resveratrol and COQ10.

[oldtimer1]

Steroids don't automatically increase blood pressure.  Thats a lot of crap spewed by doctors that have no clue about them.  If hemoglobin goes up during use, then all one has to do is go give a pint of blood.  Any HRT doc can test the hemoglobin with a finger stick, then if needed draw off a pint of blood right there.  The heart muscle will hypertrophy in nearly anyone that is athletic, not just heavy lifters.  Also one doesn't just go in to a cardiologist and request an angiogram either.  There are risks associated with an angiogram. Typically a stress test is done first, then if warranted based on the results of the stress test, an angiogram will be done.  Plaque shows up on an angiogram, and if the vessel has enough narrowing, then angioplasty will be done along with possible stent placement.

Steroids increase water retention that contributes to high blood pressure. That high blood pressure also spikes during lifting. It could lead to heart attack , stroke and kidney disease. Will steroids cause high blood pressure in everyone? Of course not. The same way you have smokers that live to be 80 after 65 years of smoking. Is it a risk factor? Of course it is.  Just using empirical knowledge how many juicers do you know that have high blood pressure?  

Regarding an enlarged heart there is a huge difference between a heart muscle that has grown from cardio exercise and one that has grown from drugs and lifting. One is a stronger muscle. The other is unhealthy and can be at risk for abnormal electrical rhythms.

One of the biggest risks that is seldom talked about is cardiac inflammation. The CRP test is seldom used by many physicians during a blood work for a normal physical. It might be more important that cholesterol tests. Many have plaque clogs occlusion heart attacks with so called normal cholesterol levels that contradicts the importance of the test. Many feel a more comprehensive test is to use c-reactive protein test.
 
I think one of the best tests is the 64-Slice CT scanner  where they inject dye into your system. It's non invasive compared to angiograms with little risk. I had it done years ago. One of my friends that was a marathon runner had a partially blocked artery that needed a stent. Aside from being winded on cold days he still ran like a deer. Doctor told him he was lucky he caught it in time.

One thing for sure is that bodybuilding is a sport based on drug use. If you didn't have the drugs there would be no sport. It would look very different. It would be even  more of an obscure sub culture of a sport than it is now. The fans of bodybuilding tend to be fans of drug use. They rationalize away everything concerning risk factors from drug use.

[willl]

Steroids don't automatically increase blood pressure.  Thats a lot of crap spewed by doctors that have no clue about them.  If hemoglobin goes up during use, then all one has to do is go give a pint of blood.  Any HRT doc can test the hemoglobin with a finger stick, then if needed draw off a pint of blood right there.  The heart muscle will hypertrophy in nearly anyone that is athletic, not just heavy lifters.  Also one doesn't just go in to a cardiologist and request an angiogram either.  There are risks associated with an angiogram. Typically a stress test is done first, then if warranted based on the results of the stress test, an angiogram will be done.  Plaque shows up on an angiogram, and if the vessel has enough narrowing, then angioplasty will be done along with possible stent placement.

i understand where you're coming from

concerning cardiovascular sides

roids: increase LDL -> plaque buildup
         concentric LVH
         enlarged heart mass
         heart inflammation
         weight buildup
         water retention
         artery stiffness / endothelium lining stifness
         increased hematocrit (as u stated)
         increased coagulation
         increased homocysteine
         oxydative stress
         etc

the DPA is not an angiogram